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denime
07-02-2012, 09:32 PM
Dallas 3-9-5 14 pts,last game tie vs Chivas USA 0-0

FCD: DLLLD
TFC: LDDWD


Will we see 2nd away win this year?


I think so,2-1 TFC

Shakes McQueen
07-02-2012, 09:37 PM
They are ripe for the picking, based on their recent form. I predict we eke out a 1-0 win, just because it's a road game, and yet another game on short rest.

- Scott

maxpower
07-02-2012, 09:37 PM
Dallas haven't won in 11 - we're unbeaten in our last four, and just 2 losses in our last 10. I suspect we'll win and see an improved D.

2-0 TFC.

West220Side
07-03-2012, 12:16 AM
Our next two games are highly important in climbing out from the bottom of the standings. If we pull off two away wins in a row, with some luck, and solid play we'll be laughing! While we play FC Dallas our friends in Philadelphia play Los Angeles Galaxy hopefully LA will come away with the win as they're at 20 points. We beat FC Dallas, move onto Philadelphia while we cruise to victory against them FC Dallas gets squashed playing San Jose Earthquakes. We move up to 15 points, while Philly and Dallas sink.
1. San Jose Earthquakes (36 Points)
2. D.C. United (33 Points)
3. Real Salt Lake (32 Points)
4. New York Red Bulls (31 Points)
5. Sporting Kansas City (29 Points)
6. Chicago Fire (27 Points)
7. Seattle Sounders FC (26 Points)
8. Vancouver Whitecaps FC (26 Points)
9. Houston Dynamo (23 Points)
10. Colorado Rapids (22 Points)
11. Columbus Crew (22 Points)
12. LA Galaxy (20 Points)
13. New England Revolution (19 Points)
14. Chivas USA (19 Points)
15. Montreal Impact (18 Points)
16. Portland Timbers (16 Points)
17. FC Dallas (14 Points)
18. Philadelphia Union (11 Points)
19. Toronto FC (9 Points)

Edit: Thanks for reminding me i'm an idiot Ryan ;)

ryan
07-03-2012, 06:06 AM
9+6=15. :)

ryan
07-03-2012, 06:09 AM
Gonna be a stiff match. Dallas needs to get out of their rut and will not have forgotten our last visit which was hoofing them from the CCL.

I think a draw is likely.

bigredone
07-03-2012, 06:40 AM
Will D.K. continue his scoring streak? I most certainly think so! With a header of course.

Fort York Redcoat
07-03-2012, 06:43 AM
Out of the basement by Thursday? I like that prospect.

West220Side
07-03-2012, 02:32 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/07/03/fc-dallas-looking-spark-turn-season-around-vs-tfc
Match preview which includes interviews from FC Dallas players/coach - their thoughts.

ag futbol
07-03-2012, 02:53 PM
Dallas 3-9-5 14 pts,last game tie vs Chivas USA 0-0

FCD: DLLLD
TFC: LDDWD


Will we see 2nd away win this year?


I think so,2-1 TFC



I saw someone post somewhere that if we win it will be our first back-to-back road wins in history. Is this true? Maybe just for league play?

TOBOR !
07-03-2012, 03:07 PM
Ives 'power rankings' has TFC on 18 and Dallas at 19. This could be epic.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2012, 03:45 PM
is Brek Shea still playing on their left wing? if so, then we should play Henry at RB and Ecks in the middle again. I quite enjoy watching Henry make Shea ineffective

flatpicker
07-03-2012, 07:00 PM
Don't suppose this game will be on the radio?
A lot to ask, I know.

Richard
07-03-2012, 07:37 PM
Don't suppose this game will be on the radio?
A lot to ask, I know.

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/03/reds-radio-2012

According to the schedule it will be on TSN Radio 1050.

flatpicker
07-03-2012, 07:47 PM
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/03/reds-radio-2012

According to the schedule it will be on TSN Radio 1050.

Is that satellite and streaming only?
My iPhone data is taking a beating this month.

Richard
07-03-2012, 08:06 PM
Is that satellite and streaming only?
My iPhone data is taking a beating this month.

TSN Radio 1050 does not broadcast Blue Jay games so im assuming it will be over the air and streaming online, although there may be league restrictions which im not sure about. Sometimes the Jays game on the Fan 590 put the tfc broadcast online only but there seems to be new league restrictions which i enountered this year, though i only tuned in once to be fair.

KGH
07-04-2012, 09:28 AM
Injury report:
TORONTO FC -- OUT: GK Stefan Frei (L lower leg); DF Doneil Henry (illness); QUESTIONABLE: FW Nicholas Lindsay (L knee surgery recovery); DF Ty Harden (R adductor strain); DF Adrian Cann (R knee sprain)

FC DALLAS -- OUT: MF Bobby Warshaw (R foot fracture); DF Ugo Ihemelu (concussion symptoms); DF Alex Lee (lower abdominal strain); DF Jair Benitez (R knee contusion); DF George John (concussion symptoms); QUESTIONABLE: FW Blas Perez (R foot contusion); MF Jackson (R ankle sprain); PROBABLE: MF Ricardo Villar (R foot strain); MF David Ferreira (R foot surgery); MF Daniel Hernandez (R knee soreness)

Yohan
07-04-2012, 09:55 AM
Jeez. Like entire dallas first team is out injured. Despite dallas having a bye week for rest and tfc played way too many games lately, i would be annoyed if tfc doesnt pick up three pts tonight

T-boy
07-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Jeez. Like entire dallas first team is out injured. Despite dallas having a bye week for rest and tfc played way too many games lately, i would be annoyed if tfc doesnt pick up three pts tonight

I would normally say away at Dallas is a difficult game. But my expectations, along with Dallas' form and injury list, makes me think we can definitely get something out of this game. Let's hope this isn't the "looks easy on paper" game that trip's us up tonight!

pekduck
07-04-2012, 10:02 AM
we all know how many PKs have been called against us in the last 10 minutes of the games in Dallas last few years right?....

2-2

__wowza
07-04-2012, 10:29 AM
i think we'll be out of gas, 3-1 dallas.

PopePouri
07-04-2012, 11:00 AM
Something shitty always happens in Dallas. Awaiting a 1-0 loss through a phantom penalty.

Yohan
07-04-2012, 11:10 AM
Something shitty always happens in Dallas. Awaiting a 1-0 loss through a phantom penalty.phantom penalties dont happen vs dallas now that marvell wynne no longer plays for tfc lol

Auzzy
07-04-2012, 11:52 AM
^ Except we have a rookie ref tonight, who makes a ton of calls & gives out a ton of cards.

Oldtimer
07-04-2012, 01:01 PM
If there is any game TFC can win, this is it.

West220Side
07-04-2012, 05:39 PM
Injury report:
TORONTO FC -- OUT: GK Stefan Frei (L lower leg); DF Doneil Henry (illness); QUESTIONABLE: FW Nicholas Lindsay (L knee surgery recovery); DF Ty Harden (R adductor strain); DF Adrian Cann (R knee sprain)

FC DALLAS -- OUT: MF Bobby Warshaw (R foot fracture); DF Ugo Ihemelu (concussion symptoms); DF Alex Lee (lower abdominal strain); DF Jair Benitez (R knee contusion); DF George John (concussion symptoms); QUESTIONABLE: FW Blas Perez (R foot contusion); MF Jackson (R ankle sprain); PROBABLE: MF Ricardo Villar (R foot strain); MF David Ferreira (R foot surgery); MF Daniel Hernandez (R knee soreness)

Hopefully this guy sits out tonight. Would be a major plus for us.
2-0 TFC Hard fought victory where Dallas just can't score despite certain defensive blunders, I also predict the post keeps us in the game atleast once tonight.

Blizzard
07-04-2012, 05:49 PM
Hopefully this guy sits out tonight. Would be a major plus for us.
2-0 TFC Hard fought victory where Dallas just can't score despite certain defensive blunders, I also predict the post keeps us in the game atleast once tonight.

Well, if he does play, we know which foot to focus on if you know what I mean. ;) ;) ;)

West220Side
07-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Well, if he does play, we know which foot to focus on if you know what I mean. ;) ;) ;)

Are you Adrian Serioux in disguise?

Walms
07-04-2012, 06:38 PM
Looking forward to tonight's game, it's one that TFC looks good to win, so that means we will probally losse by a goal.

Torontotonto
07-04-2012, 06:42 PM
Same results at Pizza Hut Park as CCL October 18, 2011.
TFC 3 - Hoops 0



edit - oh well 1-1 on the road - forever an optomist !

pekduck
07-04-2012, 06:44 PM
phantom penalties dont happen vs dallas now that marvell wynne no longer plays for tfc lol

ehm... nick garcia (many times)... adrian cann(in dallas, bogus call)....arceval... (falling down and got called handball in box...)

Ajax TFC
07-04-2012, 06:52 PM
phantom penalties dont happen vs dallas now that marvell wynne no longer plays for tfc lol
you forgetting this game from last year?
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=3109


The highlights from that first half bring back some bad memories. It reminded me of just how stupid Jacob Peterson was, and how clueless Frei is at stopping penalties. It's like he's conceded that it's a goal before it's even been taken

SamK
07-04-2012, 07:12 PM
If we're gonna post games against dallas from last year we should go with this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTjl5SR94-M

Ajax TFC
07-04-2012, 07:19 PM
Here's what TFC's lineup will look like tonight:
http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/07/448176_Toronto_FC.jpg

Carts
07-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Here's what TFC's lineup will look like tonight:
http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/07/448176_Toronto_FC.jpg

Mariner would be FURIOUS with Reggie Lambe here - just going APE SHIT MENTAL on the sidelines...

He's not holding his formation well with Avila/Dunny/Frings at all... ;)

Suds
07-04-2012, 07:46 PM
Glad to see Stinson back on the bench with the sr. team.

ryan
07-04-2012, 07:49 PM
no matter what happens in this match, watching the impact totally self destruct and have jacob fucking peterson top it off with the game sealing goal....oh man I'm gonna be smiling for a while about this fail.


cmon TFC, lets make tonight epic.

Ajax TFC
07-04-2012, 07:56 PM
no matter what happens in this match, watching the impact totally self destruct and have jacob fucking peterson top it off with the game sealing goal....oh man I'm gonna be smiling for a while about this fail.


cmon TFC, lets make tonight epic.
I'm not sure what's so enjoyable about watching a useless piece of shit like Peterson score against a team like the impact... wait a second :smile::lol::rofl:

Blizzard
07-04-2012, 08:07 PM
Oh Gawd! Not Arlo White. Anybody but Arlo White. :puke:

maxpower
07-04-2012, 08:09 PM
I would like too point out that there are more than 10 people at Pizza Hut Park.

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:12 PM
I would like too point out that there are more than 10 people at Pizza Hut Park.
Looks like a decent holiday crowd.

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Oh Gawd! Not Arlo White. Anybody but Arlo White. :puke:
Still better than most yank pbp man esp when he doesnt do seattle games

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Oh fuck.

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:14 PM
What a terrible marking

Technorgasm
07-04-2012, 08:15 PM
hey guys what'd i miss?

Technorgasm
07-04-2012, 08:15 PM
oh. . . . right. . . .

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Our Manager seems to have zero effect on the opening 5 minute goal we concede in 90% of games.

Eastend
07-04-2012, 08:16 PM
Wow......

maxpower
07-04-2012, 08:16 PM
fuck.

Soccerpro
07-04-2012, 08:16 PM
Morgan is great at crossing but terrible at defending set pieces.

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:17 PM
I would like too point out that there are more than 10 people at Pizza Hut Park.

Maybe they get free pizza if the team scores more than 1 goal LOL.

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Damn. Defensive breakdown again.

That Dallas drum corp is annoying as hell. I hate that stuff. Every so often we venture into the random noise department and I really don't like it. It sounds awful.

maxpower
07-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Wait, the FO is still walking the line on this Plata ordeal?

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:18 PM
So no JDG and dunfield in again? In all serious is JDG hurt or something?

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:18 PM
Lambe having a better game ar right mid

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:19 PM
So....according to Mariner...Joao Plata is still a member of TFC.

Interesting

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:19 PM
Wait, the FO is still walking the line on this Plata ordeal?

Can you post what was said cuz I missed it.. Thx

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:20 PM
So....according to Mariner...Joao Plata is still a member of TFC.

Interesting

Link?

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:21 PM
Duncefield still plays over JDG?

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:21 PM
So no JDG and dunfield in again? In all serious is JDG hurt or something?


JDG is absolutely useless in Mariners team.

If Kocic and the back line are free to kick every ball over midfielders like Torsten Frings there's no chance JDG is gonna be in there.

What is JDG going to do if there are almost no balls to be played in the defensive half of midfield?

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 08:21 PM
So....according to Mariner...Joao Plata is still a member of TFC.

Interesting

He's been very ineffective when playing this year. I can't say I would be playing him over Avila or Lambe right now.

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Link?

Lee Godfrey just spoke about a conversation he had with Mariner this morning and that's what was said.

As far as Mariner is concerned...Plata is still a member of TFC.

Who knows???? LOL

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:22 PM
The lads look tired. All the games plus humidity

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:26 PM
I'm truly astonished. I knew there would be a lot of long balls played for TFC to move forward but it really looks like it is plan A, plan B and plan C.

Almost everything is an attempt to move the balls 25 yards + at a time.

It's embarrassing.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Lee Godfrey just spoke about a conversation he had with Mariner this morning and that's what was said.

As far as Mariner is concerned...Plata is still a member of TFC.

Who knows???? LOL

Thx vdaady, missed it cuz my daughter was chatting to me.. Lol

maxpower
07-04-2012, 08:27 PM
Can you post what was said cuz I missed it.. Thx

Forgot who it was on the touchline but he said that he had talked to Mariner about the Plata. Mariner said Plata is just injured, there have been no trade talks and that he is still a member of TFC.

EDIT: ah my bad. I see vdaady has answered your question already.

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:27 PM
I just hate when dunfield hoofs the ball to our defence, hes just putting more pressure on them.

arbogast
07-04-2012, 08:27 PM
JDG is absolutely useless in Mariners team.

If Kocic and the back line are free to kick every ball over midfielders like Torsten Frings there's no chance JDG is gonna be in there.

What is JDG going to do if there are almost no balls to be played in the defensive half of midfield?
did you even watch the last game when he came on as a late sub? made an immediate impact controlling the ball, maintaining some posession.

DoubleUp
07-04-2012, 08:27 PM
This team cannot move the ball.

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:29 PM
Woah we just got skinned.

Side Note: Mariner needs to clam the fuck down.

__wowza
07-04-2012, 08:30 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/129229/1/watch-fc-dallas-vs-toronto-fc.html
livefeed, dunno if anyones posted it.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
JDG is absolutely useless in Mariners team.

If Kocic and the back line are free to kick every ball over midfielders like Torsten Frings there's no chance JDG is gonna be in there.

What is JDG going to do if there are almost no balls to be played in the defensive half of midfield?

Got you.. But it makes no sense whatsoever to me that we are playing a system that keeps one of our dp's on the bench.. As much as I'm not a JDG fan he is miles more skilled than dunfield..

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Hall is terrible so far.

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
TFC keep stopping play to look for a call. Not a good idea.

Morgan having a rough game so far.

Looks like there's opportunity, we just have to complete a pass or two and stop letting Dallas run all the way down the field every time they get the ball.

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
looks like were gonna lose like 4-0

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:32 PM
Forgot who it was on the touchline but he said that he had talked to Mariner about the Plata. Mariner said Plata is just injured, there have been no trade talks and that he is still a member of TFC.

EDIT: ah my bad. I see vdaady has answered your question already.

Thx to you as well my friend.. So he's injured.. Do all injuries players clean out there lockers at TFC? Lol

arbogast
07-04-2012, 08:33 PM
defence is a shambles, Hall is repeatedly getting torched.

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:33 PM
Lee Godfrey just spoke about a conversation he had with Mariner this morning and that's what was said.

As far as Mariner is concerned...Plata is still a member of TFC.

Who knows???? LOL

So Plata is going rouge lol.

Blizzard
07-04-2012, 08:34 PM
Still better than most yank pbp man esp when he doesnt do seattle games

You're setting a very low bar.

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:38 PM
did you even watch the last game when he came on as a late sub? made an immediate impact controlling the ball, maintaining some posession.

If you mean the NYRB game on Saturday then yes, I saw it. And I liked how they stayed compact in the second half. I just don't think JDG is best used as an 80th minute sub in favour of playing Dunfield all game.

Point being...TFC is not currently set up to benefit from starting JDG


Got you.. But it makes no sense whatsoever to me that we are playing a system that keeps one of our dp's on the bench.. As much as I'm not a JDG fan he is miles more skilled than dunfield..

I agree.

Carts
07-04-2012, 08:38 PM
If this corner goes in - Kocic can't yell at anyone...

maxpower
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
OHHHHHHHHHHH Danny. true fox in the box.

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
goal!!

Technorgasm
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
like a fucking VIPER!!!!!!

Benficachop20
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Hall has to be the worst defender i've ever seen on 1v1 situations. He gets beaten every single time


Goal Koevermans

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Hahaha....Koev again!!!

Incredible.

Shambles of a goal but I'll take it.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Like I keep saying all Danny does is f'in score!!!

Yohan
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Srsly. Koev ftw

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Scoring like a fool! What about Danny KOEF! Danny! Danny Koef!! DANNY!!! DANNY KOEF!!!!!!

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:41 PM
DK is the bomb.

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Danny! Keep plugging away boys!

Walms
07-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Danny worked his ass off that goal! The whole team keep the pressure on and what a finish!!!

DANNNNNNNNNNYYY

Gazza
07-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Greatest player in the world on the worst team in the world. He's Daddy Koefffff

__wowza
07-04-2012, 08:42 PM
he does it however he wants to do it!!
DANNY, DANNY KOEEEF!!

in other news, LOL at his fuckin slide tackle. it looks like a pregnant woman tripping and falling over.

Carts
07-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Dunfield saved the ball early in that play with a good read... He may not be super-skilled but I really don't think he hurts us or is as negative as a lot of people on here make him out to be...

In this league, where you have players with less skill - he's got the heart and work ethic to hang in there...

GO ON DANNY!!!!

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Can we sub in a CB, move Ecks to RB and get Hall off before he blows this game?

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:43 PM
We will concede again.

Beautiful save by Kocic. Impressed that he managed to see it despite having to look around Hall (who has been awful), Emory and Eckersley.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Another save for Milos..

ChrisFizik
07-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Danny K K K K K K K K K

Carts
07-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Tonight, if I had 1-sub... Hall off... He's getting killed...
Who would I bring in - who f'n knows... :(

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Greatest player in the world on the worst team in the world. He's Daddy Koefffff

Qoute of the night!!

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
we got to sub Hall off, this guy cant defend for shit. Put Ecks as RB and sub Aceval as CB.

Gazza
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
He's having a Hall of a time out there.

DoubleUp
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Dunfield saved the ball early in that play with a good read... He may not be super-skilled but I really don't think he hurts us or is as negative as a lot of people on here make him out to be...

In this league, where you have players with less skill - he's got the heart and work ethic to hang in there...

GO ON DANNY!!!!

Exactly!


he simply has more grit than deguzman and thats why he starts.


good work boys!!!

Suds
07-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Hall is getting beat like a red headed step child tonight.

Coaches are going to need to the kid at the half and help get him back into the game.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Holly fuck I thought that was red. jesus

__wowza
07-04-2012, 08:47 PM
Holly fuck I thought that was red. jesus

why the fuck does he keep both cards in the same pocket!?

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:48 PM
Dunfield saved the ball early in that play with a good read... He may not be super-skilled but I really don't think he hurts us or is as negative as a lot of people on here make him out to be...

In this league, where you have players with less skill - he's got the heart and work ethic to hang in there...

GO ON DANNY!!!!

Carts, I totally agree with you. I'm not a dunfield hater, but i think there is a time and place for him. Like in the 60th minute when he are protecting a lead..

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:50 PM
Lets get out of this half 1-1 at worst PLEASE

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 08:50 PM
Kocic keeps kicking the ball out of bounds. WTF?

Carts
07-04-2012, 08:50 PM
Carts, I totally agree with you. I'm not a dunfield hater, but i think there is a time and place for him. Like in the 60th minute when he are protecting a lead..

I don't disagree with you at all...

But some people on here talk about him like we have a player who does nothing but help our opponents...

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:52 PM
diver

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 08:53 PM
Kocic keeps kicking the ball out of bounds. WTF?


What's the alternative?

Oh wait....Eckersley will come all the way back to the edge of the 18 to take a pass from Kocic so that he can hoof the ball upfield himself.

50/50 balls have become the backbone of our offensive build up. LOL

OgtheDim
07-04-2012, 08:53 PM
Rodriguez is good practice for when we play in the CCL.....histrionics indeed.

Gazza
07-04-2012, 08:53 PM
He's scoring goals for funnnnn
You know he's number one

He's crazy like a fooooool
Our Danny Koooef

Danny! Danny Koooef
Danny! Danny Koooef!

Richard
07-04-2012, 08:55 PM
These longballs need to stop.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 08:55 PM
I don't disagree with you at all...

But some people on here talk about him like we have a player who does nothing but help our opponents...

If he could make a pass going forward he would be pretty good.. And yes I do hear what your saying about some people's post about him.. Basically he became the Larry Murphy of TFC for some reason..

iy12l
07-04-2012, 08:56 PM
we got to put Ecks at RB

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 08:56 PM
Decent first half... not really much to say.

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:56 PM
I don't disagree with you at all...

But some people on here talk about him like we have a player who does nothing but help our opponents...

He still makes bad boneheaded plays. /AntiDunfieldFanClub

OgtheDim
07-04-2012, 08:56 PM
Their goalie looks like a tellatubbie.

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:57 PM
If he could make a pass going forward he would be pretty good.. And yes I do hear what your saying about some people's post about him.. Basically he became the Larry Murphy of TFC for some reason..

I prefer to think of him as our "No Skill Todd Gill" :D

Technorgasm
07-04-2012, 08:57 PM
mariner fucking celebrating liek he is in the stands with us. .
inspirational. . .
talk about atmosphere, that brit is a one man dynamo.


He's big, he's Dutch, he scores so f*ckin' much!!!

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 08:57 PM
we got to put Ecks at RB
Really? for positional play and to mark someone out of the game? I'd rather not.

Suds
07-04-2012, 08:58 PM
Shaky start and a couple defensive lapses by Morgan and Hall. Beyond that it's been a fairly even game.

ryan
07-04-2012, 08:58 PM
Kocic keeps kicking the ball out of bounds. WTF?

Are you understanding why people have some issues with our style of play yet? :)

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:03 PM
we got to put Ecks at RBYa.. Move him to rb and take off hall for Henry..

Yohan
07-04-2012, 09:05 PM
mariner fucking celebrating liek he is in the stands with us. .
inspirational. . .
talk about atmosphere, that brit is a one man dynamo.


He's big, he's Dutch, he scores so f*ckin' much!!!
This needs to be a chant

AlanO
07-04-2012, 09:06 PM
Hall's going to cost TFC a goal. Castillo is ripping him to shreds.

Dunfield sucked in a 3-man midfield, but he's okay in a 4-man midfield. Thought he had a good first half.

Lambe's been dangerous. Might have a goal in him tonight.

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Ya.. Move him to rb and take off hall for Henry..

I don't think he's on the bench?

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:07 PM
I prefer to think of him as our "No Skill Todd Gill" :D

Dude.. Don't ever bad mouth Todd gill.. He's one of my heroes.. Still remember the game when Joel Otto picked a fight against him, and giller cleaned his clock.. You tube gill vs Otto, classic ole time hockey.. g:D

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I don't think he's on the bench?

Is he hurt? Or is it because we have such an abundance of cb's that he can't make it onto the bench?? :facepalm:

Gazza
07-04-2012, 09:10 PM
Todd Gill was your typical Leaf Fan Scapegoat. He was a quality defenceman

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Is he hurt? Or is it because we have such an abundance of cb's that he can't make it onto the bench?? :facepalm:

Still suffering from the allergic reaction that kept him out on Saturday from what Twitter says.

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Paul what are your tactics this half...?
"We're gettin' after it!"

Love it!

I mean, a coach, no matter what his tactics are, he's not going to give them away on live TV! lol

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Todd Gill was your typical Leaf Fan Scapegoat. He was a quality defenceman

True on both accounts..

Blizzard
07-04-2012, 09:13 PM
So Plata is going rouge lol.

No, he was already rouge. He's going rogue.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:15 PM
Still suffering from the allergic reaction that kept him out on Saturday from what Twitter says.

Allergic to hoof ball where the pressure constantly remains on our back four?? Lol

maxpower
07-04-2012, 09:15 PM
Is he hurt? Or is it because we have such an abundance of cb's that he can't make it onto the bench?? :facepalm:

He has had an "illness" for the last week or so.

EDIT: fuck I feel like Dunfield - second to every post (ball).

iy12l
07-04-2012, 09:16 PM
stop hoofing terry fucking dunfield

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:16 PM
No, he was already rouge. He's going rogue.

BaDumChah!

Richard
07-04-2012, 09:17 PM
No, he was already rouge. He's going rogue.

Ha Ha well played.

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:18 PM
Love that our boys are pretty lippy... Even Frings gets in the chirpin!

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2012, 09:19 PM
Are you understanding why people have some issues with our style of play yet? :)

Don't think it's a game plan thing at all. Just a Kocic has shit distribution thing and he did the same with Winter too.

Gazza
07-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Toasty Frings getting a little testy. That's what i like to see.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:21 PM
He has had an "illness" for the last week or so.

EDIT: fuck I feel like Dunfield - second to every post (ball).

Nice.. Lol

OgtheDim
07-04-2012, 09:21 PM
Dallas seems to allow vuvezelas.

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:26 PM
First time Ferreira touched the ball, someone should have gone in with a slide tackle - just make him think about it a little...

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:28 PM
Don't think it's a game plan thing at all. Just a Kocic has shit distribution thing and he did the same with Winter too.

I'm not saying it's direct intent to go OOB as a plan, but there's only one way we go downfield, if it's not there, the options are limited and he's not a great kicker on top of that.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:29 PM
This ref is going to gift Dallas this game.. Lambe basically mugged twice in the last couple of mins and no call.. I'm smelling a bs penalty against us before this is over..

Gazza
07-04-2012, 09:30 PM
First time Ferreira touched the ball, someone should have gone in with a slide tackle - just make him think about it a little...

"put some f'in' lumber in his teeth! Let 'em know you're there!"

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:30 PM
Oh and eck's is a red card waiting to happen..

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Silva getting set to come in...

iy12l
07-04-2012, 09:32 PM
why does mariner always make late subs? this team looks dead

Yohan
07-04-2012, 09:38 PM
I can see why dallas paid for castillo. Kid has talent

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:39 PM
Dunfield might have just saved the winner...

Yohan
07-04-2012, 09:40 PM
Attaboy dunfield!

iy12l
07-04-2012, 09:41 PM
I think Mariner is in love with Dunfield, no way in the world any coach would let that dumbfuck play 90 minutes every game.

DoubleUp
07-04-2012, 09:41 PM
Dunfield might have just saved the winner...

One of those bonehead plays,literally!

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:44 PM
The guys must be bagged in that heat...

maxpower
07-04-2012, 09:46 PM
So, I didn't know we could have taken Brek Shea in the 2008 Draft, but in a bit of business that really sums up our transfer dealing's these last six years, we traded the pick for Richard Mulrooney.

OgtheDim
07-04-2012, 09:46 PM
Dunfield has been pretty good actually. But he looks gassed now.


As for that Frings yellow......pathetic call.

iy12l
07-04-2012, 09:46 PM
thank god dunfield is injured

Richard
07-04-2012, 09:46 PM
We need shrewd sub to close this game out.

Suds
07-04-2012, 09:48 PM
See Dunfield coming off? That's how I looked when I woke up last Saturday. I know how he feels right now LOL

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:49 PM
thank god dunfield is injured

You may not be a fan of his, but easy on the kid... Nobody can fault his work ethic or effort...

Does he have a bunch of talent & smooth play? No... But being happy or wishing an injury on our own player - I call a foul on that...

DoubleUp
07-04-2012, 09:49 PM
thank god dunfield is injured

Uncalled for!:cuss:

TFC USA
07-04-2012, 09:51 PM
TFC - We're going to draw the shit out of you.

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:51 PM
JDG almost had the sub-on - ball in net... So close!

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:54 PM
Hope that's just a minor issue that Danny has.. Last thing this team needs is him out for any extended time

pppperkins
07-04-2012, 09:55 PM
I think Mariner is in love with Dunfield, no way in the world any coach would let that dumbfuck play 90 minutes every game.
Does your husband take you to the games? He should teach you a bit more about it.

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:55 PM
that set play to Morgan is too easy almost...

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 09:56 PM
So, I didn't know we could have taken Brek Shea in the 2008 Draft, but in a bit of business that really sums up our transfer dealing's these last six years, we traded the pick for Richard Mulrooney.

Who dat?

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:57 PM
6-mins of added time????

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 09:57 PM
See Dunfield coming off? That's how I looked when I woke up last Saturday. I know how he feels right now LOL


Dunfield coming off had nothing to do with an injury.

He milked both times he went down. The shot he stopped was a side footed shot placed gingerly towards the net. He flailed his legs in the air before the ball even hit him.

The second injury looked more legit but he was still milking it as long as he could.

Oh and look...6 minutes of injury time. LOL

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 09:58 PM
6-mins of added time????

Your love for Dunfield tonight has caused you to miss the fact that he milked tons of time.

And good on him for it. Just hope it doesn't bite us in the ass.

ryan
07-04-2012, 09:58 PM
6-mins of added time????

Dunfield napping time I guess?

Carts
07-04-2012, 09:59 PM
Dunfield coming off had nothing to do with an injury.

He milked both times he went down. The shot he stopped was a side footed shot placed gingerly towards the net. He flailed his legs in the air before the ball even hit him.

The second injury looked more legit but he was still milking it as long as he could.

Oh and look...6 minutes of injury time. LOL

So the pain and ice pack he has on his head is him continuing the act...?

iy12l
07-04-2012, 09:59 PM
Does your husband take you to the games? He should teach you a bit more about it.

You must be Ty Harden's boyfriend

Carts
07-04-2012, 10:00 PM
Morgan has run his balls off this match.... He must be gassed!

ryan
07-04-2012, 10:01 PM
i know it's hot and all, but that 30-40 seconds of slow passing, with everyone standing or walking was bloody funny.

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 10:01 PM
Hope that's just a minor issue that Danny has.. Last thing this team needs is him out for any extended time

Honestly guys?

It's called time wasting. I know many of you think it's abhorrent behaviour but TFC has been milking time off the clock since the second half started. It's smart. I ilke it.

Danny's not hurt one bit. LOL

AlanO
07-04-2012, 10:02 PM
Emory's been rock solid.

Carts
07-04-2012, 10:03 PM
Your love for Dunfield tonight has caused you to miss the fact that he milked tons of time.

And good on him for it. Just hope it doesn't bite us in the ass.

Voodoo... I don't have "love for Dunfield"...

I just don't think he's as bad as some people on here - and I don't think guys should be wishing injuries on our own player...

Funny enough, some Dunfield haters say "thank god he's injured" while others say "he's acting". So the camp that think he's shit, can't even agree on his actions on the pitch which is kind of funny...

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 10:03 PM
So the pain and ice pack he has on his head is him continuing the act...?

Sorry but you're out to lunch.

His head hurts...sure. But that was all way more about wasting time than anything else.

They waited for the stretcher and then he's up to walk off on his own. Then he figures its the right time to stop, and take the tape off his socks and pull them down.

Gimme a break. It's obvious. You're just too in love with Dunfield tonight to see it.

Carts
07-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Koevermans goal touch - bloody brilliant...

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 10:04 PM
And for the record..I'm glad he did it.

Just like I'm glad that Frings strolled to every dead ball.

And Danny went down to get Soolsma on.

It's part of killing off a terrible game.

Good on them.

OgtheDim
07-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Take that.....looking like a decent mid table team.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Honestly guys?

It's called time wasting. I know many of you think it's abhorrent behaviour but TFC has been milking time off the clock since the second half started. It's smart. I ilke it.

Danny's not hurt one bit. LOL

Your probably right, but he was limping after the game..

sully
07-04-2012, 10:05 PM
Now beat Philly on the weekend and maybe we're not the worst team in the world. Small steps.

Richard
07-04-2012, 10:05 PM
Sorry but you're out to lunch.

His head hurts...sure. But that was all way more about wasting time than anything else.

They waited for the stretcher and then he's up to walk off on his own. Then he figures its the right time to stop, and take the tape off his socks and pull them down.

Gimme a break. It's obvious. You're just too in love with Dunfield tonight to see it.

I dont know but he looked like shit when he walking off the pitch.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 10:06 PM
Well ... this reminds me a lot of last year.

Koevermans is hot, rest of team couldn't score in a brothel. More offensive talent needed, and RJ wildly inconsistent.

Carts
07-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Sorry but you're out to lunch.

His head hurts...sure. But that was all way more about wasting time than anything else.

They waited for the stretcher and then he's up to walk off on his own. Then he figures its the right time to stop, and take the tape off his socks and pull them down.

Gimme a break. It's obvious. You're just too in love with Dunfield tonight to see it.

Relax Voodoo - it was funny that some guys were so sure and happy he was injured, and others thought he was faking...

Nobody kills time in men's league like me on the pitch! :)

Also, lets be honest, its hot as balls in Dallas - an ice pack to the head would feel good on anyone, playing or not! ...

maxpower
07-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Who dat?

Exactly.

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 10:08 PM
Voodoo... I don't have "love for Dunfield"...

I just don't think he's as bad as some people on here - and I don't think guys should be wishing injuries on our own player...

Funny enough, some Dunfield haters say "thank god he's injured" while others say "he's acting". So the camp that think he's shit, can't even agree on his actions on the pitch which is kind of funny...


So you lump me in with a guy who wishes injury upon him because I think you're overblowing one good play that Dunfield made?

Sorry but it doesn't work that way. I didn't say anything close to wishing he was injured.

Dunfield is a horrendous footballer. Just because you like players that have heart and get "stuck in" and overblow one good ball he put in the box and put him on a pedestal for heading a ball away that wouldn't have knocked over my 3 year old....doesn't mean I have to like what he brings to the field.

Blizzard
07-04-2012, 10:09 PM
Your probably right, but he was limping after the game..

And the right side of Dunfield's face was starting to swell up. He was incredibly brave to lean into that rocket of a shot. His ears are probably still ringing.

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Enough with the hate for Dunfield. He had a good game. I'd rather JDG, but whatever. The endless insults are a bit much.

The team had a much better 2nd half. Still a lot of long balls, but some good movement also. The defense looked much more together in the 2nd also. Danny K looks great out there. Morgan looks great with the ball going forward.

A point on the road is not so bad, better than a loss. We just need full points at home.

ryan
07-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Win the 3 games in hand that Montreal have on us and we pass them in the table.

Yes please.

brad
07-04-2012, 10:11 PM
Well ... this reminds me a lot of last year.

Koevermans is hot, rest of team couldn't score in a brothel. More offensive talent needed, and RJ wildly inconsistent.

^^This x 100

Carts
07-04-2012, 10:12 PM
Win the 3 games in hand that Montreal have on us and we pass them in the table.

Yes please.

Damn right...
It would feel good, if by the end of the season, we finished ahead of them...
They were probably certain they'd top us when we were 0-9 - just finishing ahead of Montreal would at least be something...

v00d00daddy
07-04-2012, 10:13 PM
Anyways...another decent result.

I shudder to think what we'll look like when Danny cools off.

I'd prefer JDG starting over Dunfield and about 50% of the long balls taken out but what do I know.

Can't argue with "results"

On to the next match.

PS...Dallas and TFC were awful tonight. No surprise why they're both bottom of the league

ManUtd4ever
07-04-2012, 10:15 PM
A hard fought point on the road, and a respectable result against a Dallas squad that much like TFC, is far better than their record would indicate. It was also encouraging to see TFC press hard for the victory by controlling possession in the latter stages of the match and not settle for a draw.

One can debate the the relative merits of Mariner's tactics, but he seems to be a strong motivator. There's no question that the players have been leaving it all on the pitch in every match since he took over at the helm.

Chris Wren
07-04-2012, 10:17 PM
Anyways...another decent result.

I shudder to think what we'll look like when Danny cools off.

I'd prefer JDG starting over Dunfield and about 50% of the long balls taken out but what do I know.

Can't argue with "results"

On to the next match.

PS...Dallas and TFC were awful tonight. No surprise why they're both bottom of the league

The on to the next match is what surprises me about your comment. Considering about 1% of what you say is positive about this team, this league, etc. etc.

Some of us actually like this team and enjoy watching. Maybe just save half the negativity for yourself.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 10:17 PM
A hard fought point on the road, and a respectable result against a Dallas squad that much like TFC, is far better than their record would indicate. It was encouraging to see TFC press hard for the victory by controlling possession in the latter stages of the match and not settle for a draw.

If I had a dollar for every time someone threw that one out there.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 10:25 PM
A hard fought point on the road, and a respectable result against a Dallas squad that much like TFC, is far better than their record would indicate. It was also encouraging to see TFC press hard for the victory by controlling possession in the latter stages of the match and not settle for a draw.

One can debate the the relative merits of Mariner's tactics, but he seems to be a strong motivator. There's no question that the players have been leaving it all on the pitch in every match since he took over at the helm.

I dont believe effort was ever the question with winter either..

ManUtd4ever
07-04-2012, 10:26 PM
If I had a dollar for every time someone threw that one out there.

I can only speak for myself, but I think that the 2009 squad and this year's squad were the only TFC teams that really underachieved based on the overall level of talent on the roster.

ManUtd4ever
07-04-2012, 10:29 PM
I dont believe effort was ever the question with winter either..

I think the consistency of effort for 90 minutes was questionable under Winter at times.

Pookie
07-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Meh.

FC Dallas was winless in 11 coming in. The last place team in the West. We have the 3rd highest payroll and we settle for a "good road result"?

Our only win in the last 6 came against Montreal (15th place team) We have drawn the 14th place team and the 18th place team. Both winnable games.

If this is how we start 2013, no one be would be happy.

ManUtd4ever
07-04-2012, 10:32 PM
Meh.

FC Dallas was winless in 11 coming in. The last place team in the West. We have the 3rd highest payroll and we settle for a "good road result"?

Our only win in the last 6 came against Montreal (15th place team) We have drawn the 14th place team and the 18th place team. Both winnable games.

If this was how we start 2013, no one be would be happy.

Too many damn Canadians on the roster.

TFC USA
07-04-2012, 10:33 PM
Koevermans is one of our best DP signings ever.

Still, Dallas sucks and a 1-1 isn't an accomplishment. We've become so used to losing (and now in bunches) for the last two seasons that anything that breaks the routine is an achievement.

Philly next and they've been improving since Nowak got shitcanned, much like we have since Winter left.

ManUtd4ever
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
I don't want to spoil the all the negativity that some of you seem to thrive on since Mariner took over, but it might be worth considering that TFC's current modest undefeated streak has been achieved during a heavily congested part of the schedule with most of the matches on the road. But I digress, carry on.

Pookie
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
Too many damn Canadians on the roster.

Actually, one of the positives with Mariner is that he seems to go with the best available.

Dunfield debate aside.

Pookie
07-04-2012, 10:39 PM
I don't want to spoil the all the negativity that some of you seem to thrive on since Mariner took over, but it might be worth considering that TFC's current modest undfeated streak has been achieved during a heavily congested part of the schedule with most of the matches on the road. But I digress, carry on.

I don't think you need to look past a healthy Koevermans and Frings to find out why we are achieving average results now.

Pre-Mariner era results heavily correlated to their arrival, form and health.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 10:40 PM
I think the consistency of effort for 90 minutes was questionable under Winter at times.
I don't think effort is the word I'd use to describe it. You ask under talented guys to stretch their abilities for 90 minutes ... someone has a mental lapse, ball goes in the back of the net because the system doesn't allow for mistakes or account for limitations of our players. With Paul Mariner, we're basically playing underdog football and playing conservatively, overall it's preventing our players from making horrendous errors we'd normally go crazy over. In the short run, it makes sense given how bad our team is.

I think effort means different things in different systems. Not to be stereotypical but in certain cultures they seem to equate effort with chasing the ball around when your defending, but there are so many other ways that it applies.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 10:42 PM
I think the consistency of effort for 90 minutes was questionable under Winter at times.

Why do you say that? I don't think effort from guys like Frings, kocic, Danny k was ever inconsistent? You could make make an argument about JDG, but that was an issue before winter.. Which players do you see giving a more consistent effort now?

As for tonight the boys did show guts, Dallas in humidity is like ass.. Very tough to play in conditions like that so good on them for getting a draw. But, we still have a long way to go to get to respectability, our talent level is still very low in comparison to some of the better teams. I would like to see us shuffle up the starting 11 and see some of the more talent players start.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 10:46 PM
I don't think you need to look past a healthy Koevermans and Frings to find out why we are achieving average results now.

Pre-Mariner era results heavily correlated to their arrival, form and health.
Yeah, as much as I’m not a huge mariner fan, I think that’s only half the story. The defending has improved quite a bit and that’s down to player selection and tactical decisions.

Lest we forget our former fearless leader regularly shuffled the backline, pretty much regularly playing Russian roulette with our fortunes. How many games did we have to see guys like Aceval and Harden blow coverage to realize we shouldn’t have been playing a high line with slow CB’s in such an athletic league? Amateurish mistake.

In a short number of games Mariner has, to his credit, used an un-ideal roster of players and managed to stabilize a backline. That’s something Aron Winter never did no matter how many different times he tried to fiddle with it.

Soccerpro
07-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Decent result tonight in the heat. However, it needs to be said, we just tied the last place team in the West. Keep it in perspective.They were winless in 11.

Ecks is playing a bit better at CB than he did at RB. Kind of like Marvel Wynne in Colorado now. His persistence in just booting it up the field most of the time never ceases to drive me nuts though.

Don't think Hall is an answer at fullback for next year.

Yohan
07-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Meh.

FC Dallas was winless in 11 coming in. The last place team in the West. We have the 3rd highest payroll and we settle for a "good road result"?

Our only win in the last 6 came against Montreal (15th place team) We have drawn the 14th place team and the 18th place team. Both winnable games.

If this is how we start 2013, no one be would be happy.i really dont like the third highest payroll thing. Dp rule makes thing so askewed.

This argument has more merit if tfc played in mexican primera or other non wacky salary cap league

reggie
07-04-2012, 10:48 PM
same shite diff coach,,,early goals, late goals...the only diffrence between AW and PM is Danny k is scoring and frings is fit.we still dont have a A M or a stud CB, IF Danny k goes down we will lose 10 in a row.

DaBandit
07-04-2012, 10:51 PM
I don't want to spoil the all the negativity that some of you seem to thrive on since Mariner took over, but it might be worth considering that TFC's current modest undfeated streak has been achieved during a heavily congested part of the schedule with most of the matches on the road. But I digress, carry on.

Sorry don't mean to be trying to pick on you.. But, as another poster mentioned there should have been some very winnable games in there.. We shouldn't be settling for draws, this is the 3rd highest payroll and we have endured one of the worst starts by any NA franchise in history.

Soccerpro
07-04-2012, 10:52 PM
same shite diff coach,,,early goals, late goals...the only diffrence between AW and PM is Danny k is scoring and frings is fit.we still dont have a A M or a stud CB, IF Danny k goes down we will lose 10 in a row.

Hate to say it, but this sums it up nicely.

Pookie
07-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Ag, I was just reading your post on the simplicity and tendency to not make any major errors. Makes sense. Much like youth rep coaches get results by putting strong kickers at the back and fast runners up front. Not thrilling but it gets the job done.

I am wondering how this form will stand up to more determined and talented opposition.

That said, I really think that the 2 DPs are the difference. 8-3-5 for Winter in all competitions after their arrival. A 3-2-2 May for Winter after their return to form. That's 5 losses in 23 matches that were influenced by at least one of them. And that's with the much criticized Backline.

Pookie
07-04-2012, 10:55 PM
i really dont like the third highest payroll thing. Dp rule makes thing so askewed.

This argument has more merit if tfc played in mexican primera or other non wacky salary cap league

Its about buying quality talent though. A million dollar player should be able to beat a 70k NCAA Grad all the time.

denime
07-04-2012, 10:58 PM
Oh well,1 point on the road should be ok I guess.

Dallas is bad and we are right there with them,bottom feeders of MLS.
Let's hope Koevermans stays hot for a while,otherwise we wont be able to score a goal even if the life is depending on it.

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 11:00 PM
Ag, I was just reading your post on the simplicity and tendency to not make any major errors. Makes sense. Much like youth rep coaches get results by putting strong kickers at the back and fast runners up front. Not thrilling but it gets the job done.

I am wondering how this form will stand up to more determined and talented opposition.

That said, I really think that the 2 DPs are the difference. 8-3-5 for Winter in all competitions after their arrival. A 3-2-2 May for Winter after their return to form. That's 5 losses in 23 matches that were influenced by at least one of them. And that's with the much criticized Backline.
I worry about how it will hold up in the long run as well. Over time, I think teams will take us out of our habits and direct play, once characterized it isn't too hard to defend.

But for the time being, I can't complain. Really, what I'll be watching Mariner for is the ability to find players during the summer window. If he can't do it now and find a few solid pieces, I see no reason to let him try next year.

Canary10
07-04-2012, 11:01 PM
Wasn't a bad game by them tonight. But another draw is really par for the course. Turning draws into wins was one of the things we needed to do this year over last to make the playoffs. While it's better than losing obviously, it feels like we're only back where we were last year.

burlington Red
07-04-2012, 11:05 PM
Yeah, as much as I’m not a huge mariner fan, I think that’s only half the story. The defending has improved quite a bit and that’s down to player selection and tactical decisions.

Lest we forget our former fearless leader regularly shuffled the backline, pretty much regularly playing Russian roulette with our fortunes. How many games did we have to see guys like Aceval and Harden blow coverage to realize we shouldn’t have been playing a high line with slow CB’s in such an athletic league? Amateurish mistake.

In a short number of games Mariner has, to his credit, used an un-ideal roster of players and managed to stabilize a backline. That’s something Aron Winter never did no matter how many different times he tried to fiddle with it.

Please explain why you are not a Mariner fan, I am, but your post would suggest you are

Yohan
07-04-2012, 11:18 PM
Its about buying quality talent though. A million dollar player should be able to beat a 70k NCAA Grad all the time.
And you know just as much as i do that salary in mls does not indicate just how good you are

ag futbol
07-04-2012, 11:28 PM
Please explain why you are not a Mariner fan, I am, but your post would suggest you are
There are a number of reasons. One is that I can’t completely absolve him for the players we brought in under Winter. He has a hand in that, one way or another.

The second thing is that I feel this direct play will eventually develop into a big of a crutch and it won’t take us anywhere.

I guess you could say I’m neutral in the sense that I’m willing to let him continue depending on what this year’s results are. That being said, I’m biased against it since I hate the direct play and I really think MLS has moved past his brand of football.

DoubleUp
07-04-2012, 11:35 PM
As far as mariner goes. We all want results, but kicking the ball away is not a very good long term solution.

Super
07-04-2012, 11:36 PM
Wasn't a bad game by them tonight. But another draw is really par for the course. Turning draws into wins was one of the things we needed to do this year over last to make the playoffs. While it's better than losing obviously, it feels like we're only back where we were last year.

Yup! 3 draws = 1 win and 2 losses. It sounds good to say "we got a point" or "we didn't lose on the road, again" - but an away point is only worth something if you win your home games. At this point we NEED to win pretty much every game to shoot for the miracle. No point in celebrating a point. But still, a good performance by the lads, and it's certainly nice to see us playing better. Shame it's maybe too late.

Brooker
07-04-2012, 11:37 PM
Dallas's record isn't very good but their problem is on the road. At home they're decent and due to their recent form they were due a win so I'll take the point in a heartbeat.

Danny K's flick was fucking awesome.

TFC USA
07-04-2012, 11:38 PM
Philadelphia beat LA in stoppage time so we're in last place again. So now they've won in LA and thrashed Kansas City.

But we're way better than our record indicates or something like that.

kodiakTFC
07-05-2012, 12:03 AM
In the last 8 league games, Koevermans has 8 goals. Remember at the start of the season when we were worried?

lobo
07-05-2012, 12:07 AM
Too many damn Canadians on the roster.

For Fuck Sakes. Sick of hearing this ridiculously stupid commentary.

Kilgore Trout
07-05-2012, 01:22 AM
Philadelphia beat LA in stoppage time so we're in last place again. So now they've won in LA and thrashed Kansas City.

But we're way better than our record indicates or something like that.

MLS far too frequently supplies ridiculous individual results for commentary like this to be worthwhile. Philly has been overall a better team than TFC this year, which is why they have more points. I don't really buy that their beating LA and Kansas City means much. Didn't Montreal destroy Seattle just shortly before TFC laid down a 3-0 whooping on Montreal? Those are just two examples of typical MLS results.

I don't for one second think anything other than results (over time) matters when considering which team is better than another. TFC has shown this season more potential to be good (i.e. get results) than the record indicates, but has been exactly as good as the record indicates.

In the end, the teams that do well in MLS are the teams that get points consistently and don't lose many games. Fluke results, even several of them, will always happen, but I really doubt that Philly will be anywhere higher than 9th this season.

Derko
07-05-2012, 05:04 AM
Sorry but you're out to lunch.

His head hurts...sure. But that was all way more about wasting time than anything else.

They waited for the stretcher and then he's up to walk off on his own. Then he figures its the right time to stop, and take the tape off his socks and pull them down.

Gimme a break. It's obvious. You're just too in love with Dunfield tonight to see it.

Are you two kids going to stop this bickering, gawd, time waisting is a part of the game, is it not!!

v00d00daddy
07-05-2012, 06:46 AM
Are you two kids going to stop this bickering, gawd, time waisting is a part of the game, is it not!!

It certainly is. LOL

You may want to read my posts after the one you quoted.

Beach_Red
07-05-2012, 06:52 AM
Meh.

FC Dallas was winless in 11 coming in. The last place team in the West. We have the 3rd highest payroll and we settle for a "good road result"?

Our only win in the last 6 came against Montreal (15th place team) We have drawn the 14th place team and the 18th place team. Both winnable games.

If this is how we start 2013, no one be would be happy.

Sure but we're not starting the season like this, we're digging out of the deepest hole the team has ever been kn - worse than the first year expansion team - so it's not going to be pretty. But this team is actually building a little confidence and in this league that isn't dominated by skill, that matters.

Stouffville_RPB
07-05-2012, 07:10 AM
Not impressed. Now just 1 win in 6.

Sure points are nice but looking deeper it took a brilliant touch by Koevermans to get the goal. Beyond that everything TFC did was right at Neilsen. Castillo, Shea and at the end Ferreira made TFC look very poor at the back (again) and they should've scored. Dallas seemed to waste every corner they got by kicking the ball long to nobody (when it is well known that TFC can't defend set pieces just get it in the danger area). It was down to Dallas being as futile as TFC.

On the road or at home, if you can't beat other teams at the bottom of the table you aren't going to get out of the bottom yourself.

Oldtimer
07-05-2012, 07:23 AM
Not impressed. Now just 1 win in 6.

Sure points are nice but looking deeper it took a brilliant touch by Koevermans to get the goal. Beyond that everything TFC did was right at Neilsen. Castillo, Shea and at the end Ferreira made TFC look very poor at the back (again) and they should've scored. Dallas seemed to waste every corner they got by kicking the ball long to nobody (when it is well known that TFC can't defend set pieces just get it in the danger area). It was down to Dallas being as futile as TFC.

On the road or at home, if you can't beat other teams at the bottom of the table you aren't going to get out of the bottom yourself.

TFC got a tie against a very bad Dallas. Sure, it's better than losing, but doesn't make TFC even an average-quality team in this league. An average-quality MLS side statistically would have picked up 8 points in 2 home and 4 away games. TFC picked up 7, or below-average for MLS. That's with the third-highest payroll in the league.

Stouffville_RPB
07-05-2012, 07:32 AM
TFC got a tie against a very bad Dallas. Sure, it's better than losing, but doesn't make TFC even an average-quality team in this league. An average-quality MLS side statistically would have picked up 8 points in 2 home and 4 away games. TFC picked up 7, or below-average for MLS. That's with the third-highest payroll in the league.

I 100% agree. That's why I led with "Not impressed".

Fort York Redcoat
07-05-2012, 07:47 AM
I'll agree with most of this latest analysis. I'm tepid on this result. Still not good enough. They have an equal opportunity to do better on Sat. I fear for Danny K's limping off the field and Dunfield, whether or not he was embellishing, was gassed and will not be as hearty on Sat. I'd like to see more of JDG because of it.

BHTC Mike
07-05-2012, 07:58 AM
TFC got a tie against a very bad Dallas. Sure, it's better than losing, but doesn't make TFC even an average-quality team in this league. An average-quality MLS side statistically would have picked up 8 points in 2 home and 4 away games. TFC picked up 7, or below-average for MLS. That's with the third-highest payroll in the league.
You've only just figured out that we're a "below-average" team? The 0-0-9 start wasn't a tip-off?

So far, under Mariner, we've played two home games and four away games over only 19 days and taken 7 points with a +1 goal differential. We've actually lead for significant stretches in three of those games and could have had at least a couple more points if we hadn't thrown away the lead on more or less the final play of the game against New England.

Paul Mariner not being able to turn this team into playoff contenders after less than one month in charge and before making a single significant change to the roster is not a surprise.

Auzzy
07-05-2012, 07:59 AM
A couple of thoughts after watching the game & reading through this thread:
- I'm also not a fan of Dunfield getting so much playing time. However, JDG was sick (flu or something like that) and is gradually recovering. They're easing him back in. I have no idea who Mariner would play & how much time JDG would get if he was 100% fit, but it has had an influence in the past few games. I also believe Dunfield really was injured vs. Dallas, in addition to the time wasting. Doesn't he have some concussion history? I think there's a good chance we will see less of Dunfield & more of JDG in the next game. Which isn't necessarily 100% a good thing. Although JDG controls and passes the ball much much better, he doesn't always have the defensive mettle that's needed to protect our weak back line.

- You could really tell both FBs were tired in this game. Vs. NY, they really focussed & did quite well against some very speedy players down the wing. Vs. Dallas, they were getting easily beat, especially Hall but also Morgan. Sometimes it looked like they couldn't even run at top speed.

- Kocic's distribution isn't good, but often the team doesn't even setup properly for the long ball they're supposed to play. Guys don't get into position before Kocic kicks, to get the 1st or 2nd ball. A couple of times Kocic was screaming after kicking the ball.

- Henry was still recovering after an allergic reaction that sent him to the hospital end of last week, that's why he wasn't even on the bench. Otherwise I bet he would have come in 2nd half & Ecks shifted to the right. And I wouldn't like seeing more of Ecks at CB. He's decent because he hustles and is pretty good in 1v1 defending. But he doesn't read the game well and doesn't organize the defense. Look at him standing & watching, and not organizing or getting into the right spot, before the Dallas goal. Ecks also isn't really tall or powerful enough to deal well with high balls into the box. Also not happy with some of Eck's poor passes. He's not the only one, but consider what we're paying for him... I really like Ecks, but I think we got screwed on what we're paying for him. Look around the league, you can get more than one very decent defender for that price.

- I realize there was time-wasting involved as well, but I really hope Danny isn't injured, this game or in the future. I think TFC as it is currently playing, is totally screwed w/o Danny at 100%.

- Dallas far better than their record? No way, they're pretty bad despite having some good players. Amazing how far they've dropped since the 2nd half of last season. Considering their previous game was June 23rd and they should be used to the heat, they didn't look much fresher than TFC (a few individual fast players aside). Let's see how they do once David Ferreira is back and 100% fit again, yesterday was his first game in over a year.

ManUtd4ever
07-05-2012, 07:59 AM
Philadelphia beat LA in stoppage time so we're in last place again. So now they've won in LA and thrashed Kansas City.

But we're way better than our record indicates or something like that.

Whether or not you credit Mariner with the recent improved form of the club, the results over the last several games have clearly demonstrated that TFC's roster is much better on paper than their previous 1-10 record would indicate, as many of us suggested during their horrendous losing streak.

T-boy
07-05-2012, 08:01 AM
There's so much negativity on this thread for some reason! Haters gotta hate, apparently!

IMO, turning around a team that went 9 league games losing, to 5 league games unbeaten, is quite outstanding! Ok, Dallas aren't playing well, but a road point is STILL a good result in the MLS against any opponent. Dallas are another team that has had a bi-week while Toronto have now played weekend and midweek 3 weeks running. The players have got to be running on fumes and they are giving heart and soul to this club and to Mariner right now. Massive respect to them.

For me, man of the match was Dunfield. He may not be the "skilled technical player" that some of you desire in midfield - but he's a workhorse. He put his body on the line and didn't stop running all game. After he got smashed in the face (and saved a possible goal) he was sprinting up the field onto a Frings through ball. The guy looked completely knackered by the end! Those of you who was saying he was "acting" needed to look at him on the bench with the ice pack on his face. If he was acting, and STILL acting while off the field, then he deserves an Oscar, as that was the best roll I've ever seen! He definitely wasn't acting. He ran his socks off and deserves praise.

Not every player needs to be technically brilliant on a football team. Every team needs a Vinnie Jones, Scott Parker, or Dennis Wise. These are the players that keep running and keep trying no matter what. You never see De Jong making a dazzling run, but he's always one of the first on the Man City teamsheet. Dunfield is that player for TFC. He gives his all, keeps running, and deserve credit when its due - and it was certainly due last night.

I know many of you won't agree, but Dunfield Man of the Match last night, without doubt.

ManUtd4ever
07-05-2012, 08:02 AM
For Fuck Sakes. Sick of hearing this ridiculously stupid commentary.

Yeah, it's right on par with constantly trashing the new manager for leading TFC to a five game unbeaten streak and a positive goal differential in his first six games.

T-boy
07-05-2012, 08:07 AM
Yeah, it's right on par with constantly trashing the new manager for leading TFC to a five game unbeaten streak and a positive goal differential in his first six games.

Mariner out! :p

Pookie
07-05-2012, 08:08 AM
And you know just as much as i do that salary in mls does not indicate just how good you are

If there is no correlation, and expectations can't be heaped on spending then we are suckers when it comes to them spending OUR money