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Abou Sky
04-21-2012, 08:29 PM
What would you do over the next week/month/3 months/year

There are a LOT of smart people on here, Winter looks like he will have to fall on his sword or get the boot: so if you got the job, how would you do it? Who would you bring in? What formation would you play? Tactics? Style?

Interested to hear this, please keep it positive. There is already a trash Winter thread.

TFCRegina
04-21-2012, 08:30 PM
What would you do over the next week/month/3 months/year

There are a LOT of smart people on here, Winter looks like he will have to fall on his sword or get the boot: so if you got the job, how would you do it? Who would you bring in? What formation would you play? Tactics? Style?

Interested to hear this, please keep it positive. There is already a trash Winter thread.

I wouldn't.

I would turn it down and demand Tom Anselmi's job.

T-boy
04-21-2012, 08:36 PM
I would simply start by motivating the players. Winter's main issue is that he can't seem to get his team going - it takes TFC at least until half time to warm up to a game, by that time they are already losing! I would also start to man manage some of the players to try and get the best out of them. I would sit down with JDG and have a long talk about his play. I would work on the players off the ball movement and passing, and get them moving into space, something they are poor at right now.

I would consider getting a CB, but I also think that we have a depth of CB's that are pretty good. I'd give Emory or Henry, and Cann a run as the centre back pairing, and wouldn't change them for at least 4 games. Right now, TFC haven't had the same centre back pairing for two games straight all seasons. CB's need to get to know each other.

I would instruct the wingers (my choice would be Lambe and Plata) to stick to the touchlines and spread the play wider, giving the whole team a bigger surface to play on, and giving the two wingers room to run at the full backs.

I don't think I would do much more than that, But these are all things Winter doesn't appear to be doing right now!

nfitz
04-21-2012, 08:37 PM
I'd ban the creation of new threads by people who have only been here a few weeks.

[NBF]
04-21-2012, 09:02 PM
#1 - Fire Tom Anselmi would be my first move. Assuming that by "given the reins" you are referring to becoming the owner of TFC. There's really no other way to go about it. He is inept and has proven that for several years now.

#2 - I would change the formation to include two Strikers: 1. Koevermans, 2. Johnson.

#3 - Bring in a Centre Back who has more mobility than Soolsma, Cann, Frings, Harden, Dunfield.

#4 - Bring back Paul Winsper or someone with similar background to help with the endurance problems at TFC.

#5 - Dump the following players: Harden, Dunfield, Emory

UltraSuperMegaMo
04-21-2012, 09:08 PM
I'd push Winter upstairs and De Clerk to the academy. I'd hire Rafael Carjabal and have Mariner as his assistant. I'd sign Tihomir Maletic and I'd play 4-4-2. I'd stop trying to be Barca and start trying to Big Sam's Bolton.

Also, I'd call all my friends and family and rub it in their faces that such a big shot that I'm running a pro sports team. I'd encourage people to show up to the games on time and stand up when some needs to move in and out the isle.

sampace
04-21-2012, 09:10 PM
Two words: Holger Osieck! Holger's Hero's Part 2

ArmenJBX
04-21-2012, 09:14 PM
I'd start trading for some MLS quality players.
We need an expansion draft badly at this point, because as awesome as this whole idea is of raising our own Academy players, they're not first-team ready yet. We need an infusion of MLS talent.

If we want to be competitive, we need to play by the leagues style - that means control the midfield, build quickly, a smart four man defence.
I'd also pick up Mac Kandji, Dejan Jakovic and Patrick Nyarko, all great players who aren't vital for their teams. We need these MLS guys at this point.

billyfly
04-21-2012, 09:23 PM
I'd ban the creation of new threads by people who have only been here a few weeks.

See my post in the "why TFC" thread.

[NBF]
04-21-2012, 09:55 PM
I'd start trading for some MLS quality players.
We need an expansion draft badly at this point, because as awesome as this whole idea is of raising our own Academy players, they're not first-team ready yet. We need an infusion of MLS talent.

If we want to be competitive, we need to play by the leagues style - that means control the midfield, build quickly, a smart four man defence.
I'd also pick up Mac Kandji, Dejan Jakovic and Patrick Nyarko, all great players who aren't vital for their teams. We need these MLS guys at this point.

Its too bad that TFC has nothing to trade for Jakovic. Kandji, from what i recall is tall and quick but his dribbling is something like Dunfield's slap of the ball. Nyarko, I dont know if speed is anything worth talking about in MLS if there's no first touch and no finishing skills. His shots look like crosses.

Beach_Red
04-21-2012, 09:57 PM
;1476908']#1 - Fire Tom Anselmi would be my first move. Assuming that by "given the reins" you are referring to becoming the owner of TFC. There's really no other way to go about it. He is inept and has proven that for several years now.

#2 - I would change the formation to include two Strikers: 1. Koevermans, 2. Johnson.

#3 - Bring in a Centre Back who has more mobility than Soolsma, Cann, Frings, Harden, Dunfield.

#4 - Bring back Paul Winsper or someone with similar background to help with the endurance problems at TFC.

#5 - Dump the following players: Harden, Dunfield, Emory

So, you'd be an owner who meddles in the running of the team? ;)

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 10:14 PM
I'd ask Klinsmann to give back the money.

Cashcleaner
04-21-2012, 10:18 PM
If I were magically given the position of President; the first and only thing I'd do is find my own replacement, then immediately resign when the right person comes in to take over.

This is what Tom Anselmi should have done years ago.

I'd be well out of my depth when it comes to overseeing a professional soccer club like TFC. It's a job that involves strict financial management, player acquisitions and negotiations, staff and coaching administration. It's a job I know I wouldn't be able to handle, but that's okay because I can acknowledge my limitations.

I do know that Winter is not working out with the club, but I'm at a loss as to who would be a suitable replacement.

I think we need to offload JDG, but I'm not privy to the details of his contract and wouldn't know how to begin untangling ourselves from it.

I agree with NBF with regards to Harden and Dunfield (though I think there is some hope left in Emory), but off the top of my head, I'm don't know who we could bring in to replace them - or perhaps most importantly, who would want to.

The point is, I know that we're not working with what we have right now. 6 league games in with no points and a goal differential of -9 pretty much says it all. This team is just not competitive with it's current roster and coaching staff. And to get back on track, this club needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom.

And I'd start at the top.

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 10:25 PM
There is only one thing you need to know about Julian's contract...

It ends this year.

:seeya:

Whoop
04-21-2012, 10:29 PM
Yeah I don't see JDG being back with TFC. If they could get rid of him in the summer I'm sure they would.

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 10:37 PM
Here's the real kicker:

Despite the apparent patience of some on this board to embark on yet another multi-year experiment, most fans are voting with their feet and wallet.

What are the odds current or future management are allowed to bring in another expensive Designated Player?

I say if TFC's record does not improve in a significant manner I'm willing to bet the odds start moving against us that we continue to have 3 DPs on this club in the near future. Corporate owners expect results given the resources they've thrown into this club.

And lord knows this club needs all the help it can get.

Beach_Red
04-21-2012, 10:41 PM
^ It's likely the first DPs were only signed after their entire salaries had already been banked by the team after three years of sellouts. In order to sign more DPs afterr these more money will have to be banked. Or new owners will have to take a different approach, but so far this team hasn't done any deficit spending. So, it depends on ticket sales.

jabbronies
04-21-2012, 10:43 PM
So, you'd be an owner who meddles in the running of the team? ;)

lol - ZING!

jabbronies
04-21-2012, 10:45 PM
We don't need 3 DP's. Get rid of Julian and bring in two quality MLS players who can fill in the holes we have in some positions (Midfield, CB)

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 10:49 PM
^ It's likely the first DPs were only signed after their entire salaries had already been banked by the team after three years of sellouts. In order to sign more DPs afterr these more money will have to be banked. Or new owners will have to take a different approach, but so far this team hasn't done any deficit spending. So, it depends on ticket sales.

I agree.

Now...I wasn't at the game but it didn't look anywhere near sold out. And I had real trouble off-loading my tickets, and I own the most desired tickets at BMO Field. We know TFC made a real marketing push to offload season tickets and then partial season packages. And we know they've burned through their much lauded "waiting list". What does this point to?

I think they are scared what this off-season will hold. I think we're looking at the potential for real damage to ST numbers and projections for a significant loss, something this team has not yet experienced and did not expect.

You don't have to have my position or job to know what money-grubbing corporations do when one of their divisions begins to lose money.

Cashcleaner
04-21-2012, 10:50 PM
There is only one thing you need to know about Julian's contract...

It ends this year.

:seeya:

Well, yeah I think pretty much everyone has marked the date down on their calendars.

Actually, now that I think of it, JDG's future status with the club is probably the most uncomplicated decision anyone could make.:D

narduch
04-21-2012, 10:52 PM
You don't have to have my position or job to know what money-grubbing corporations do when one of their divisions begins to lose money.

Wouldn't surprise me if TFC has zero DP's next year (or the following year if Frings and Koevermans just play out their contracts).

Juanito
04-21-2012, 11:11 PM
Tactically, I'd go 4-1-4-1. This suits the players we have, Frings being the sweeper.
We need more bodies in the middle of the pitch, we can't let teams expose us the way they do.
Stop playing De Guzman. Just stop. He is neither an effective holding midfielder nor is he a good attacking option. He might be a decent second holding midfielder, but that doesn't work in MLS, not enough talent to go around under a tight salary cap.
In the short-term we won't be able to solve our fullback situation, we'll have to let the formation, endurance, and just some basic heads-up defensive strategies get us through. Who's in charge of this defence? Diego Maradonna?!

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 11:13 PM
There's only one "n" in Maradona papi...

Juanito
04-21-2012, 11:18 PM
^^

I'm tired, I had a long day, both games I watched went bad .... cut me some slack tío!

Dkolish3
04-21-2012, 11:20 PM
1. Personally I would not fire Winter (although I'm stuck on whether he should give up coaching duties and just be GM or whatever he is).

2. I would fire the MLSE marketing staff who have basically been non-existent for a while (the supporters do much of the marketing for them) and try to revitalize the brand with young people.

3. I would make NCC and some CCL games free for under 15 year olds to get more people and more possible young fans to the Stadium.

4. I would give a portion of the supporters ticket revenue to the supporters (much like they do with the TA) so they can produce more TIFO and more fan-friendly initiatives.

5. I would start on plans to build a 30,000 seat stadium (with a roof) in or near downtown Toronto as I feel the bad attendance has as much to do with the weather and the wind as the team being bad.

6. Get rid of all the players who won't be back next year and start giving major time to all the academy products I'm mean I'm sure that Dunfield keeps us from losing by 4 goals or more but if we're not making the playoffs I'd rather be last with Cordon, Makubuya, Stinson, and Henry playing than 15th with guys who won't be here next year.

7. No more GOL TV. Every game must be broadcast on a Major Network and no more of 'the game will be tape delayed because the Detroit Tigers are playing the Rangers' bullshit.

8. Double our scouting staff and put more focus on Latin America (that business of signing the CB who was so inadequate he didn't ever play a game was almost unforgivable) and the NCAA (most of the players may still be shit but its good that when you draft you have him and don't have to compete with other clubs for his signature and also a couple of good players every year seem to emerge and become great players)

9. I would try to resign De Guz on $175-200 thousand as I still think he's can be a solid contributer. Koev a 33 year old who can't attain match fitness is a problem I would dump him after the season and get a younger DP something even more advantageous under the rules. Frings a 35 year old but seems to bring much as a elder statesman keep him for the length of contract.

10. Abandon policy of bringing in MLS American veterans as one year stop gaps like Dasan Robinson, Iro, Peterson as I don't think that's how a Canadian team can and will compete in MLS. While many people may disagree wih my belief, traditionally Canadian teams playing in American leagues have been unable (without massively overpaying) to get quality veteran American players. Perhaps to be replaced with Loans from better leagues.

11. Any player who is under 24 and is not likely to get minutes should be loaned out to a club with a similar philosophy (FC Edmonton) to get more minutes. MLS reserves play what 15 games a year?

Juanito
04-21-2012, 11:23 PM
^^

Pretty interesting points.

Chris Wren
04-22-2012, 12:28 AM
What's with the guys who are against starting threads unless you're some veteran poster? Jesus.

jazzy
04-22-2012, 01:57 AM
I'd stop starting Plata........(only dangerous as a late game sub)...simply terrible and a wasted spot today..........and I'd teach the forwards that on a counter-attack/cross you need more than 1 player up the field as a target.......we need to attack attack attack......stop playing like we are ahead in the game,.......I'd demand to know exactly what Mariners philosophy is in finding players for TFC,....??? and I pray we don't have Steve Nicol,....a regressive step,....but totally in the MLSE tradition of playing it safe...../cautious

ExiledRed
04-22-2012, 02:01 AM
I'd ask Klinsmann to give back the money.

hahaha that guy must still be grinning like a twat. No wonder hes all smiles when you see him on TV.

MLSE - 'Jurgen, here's a fat bag of money, what should we do to improve this team.'

Jurgen - 'Well I dont know Toronto very well, I am German after all, but I think Toronto soccer fans like watching football, and Ajax in Holland are a good team. Once upon a time they introduced a system called 'Total Football' and this was very popular.

MLSE - 'Total Football?" that sounds fucking amazing, the marketing people will go fucking nuts....we like you already, here's another bag of money. Tell us how to get this Total Football.

Jurgen - Well there is funnily enough a Dutch Academy with Ajax links just down the street from you. Go and talk to those dudes..they will help.

MLSE - Thanks Jurgen, you've saved our corporate venture....er...team.

Jurgen - You are welcome, and thankyou for the bags of money. goodbye.

Cashcleaner
04-22-2012, 02:16 AM
hahaha that guy must still be grinning like a twat. No wonder hes all smiles when you see him on TV.

MLSE - 'Jurgen, here's a fat bag of money, what should we do to improve this team.'

Jurgen - 'Well I dont know Toronto very well, I am German after all, but I think Toronto soccer fans like watching football, and Ajax in Holland are a good team. Once upon a time they introduced a system called 'Total Football' and this was very popular.

MLSE - 'Total Football?" that sounds fucking amazing, the marketing people will go fucking nuts....we like you already, here's another bag of money. Tell us how to get this Total Football.

Jurgen - Well there is funnily enough a Dutch Academy with Ajax links just down the street from you. Go and talk to those dudes..they will help.

MLSE - Thanks Jurgen, you've saved our corporate venture....er...team.

Jurgen - You are welcome, and thankyou for the bags of money. goodbye.

Oh shit! That reminds me of the time when Klinnsman was announced by Anselmi as the guy who was going to take this team to the next level, and everyone assumed that meant he'd be made manager.

Classic Tom! Still puts me in stitches when I think of it.

DoubleUp
04-22-2012, 06:46 AM
What's with the guys who are against starting threads unless you're some veteran poster? Jesus.


These forums have always been a territorial mess. For what reason? I dont know!...............Its not like the team is worth the squabble.

Still Kicking
04-22-2012, 08:16 AM
Agree with many points made.
I don't want the turbulence of a leadership change, but if the string of losses continues how can the Winter/DeKlerk status quo continue? I think it was Jason DeVos on the radio who was complaining that Winter is not flexible when it comes to formation?

I have been annoyed at 4-3-3 and think every MLS team in 2012 has come to BMO ready to prove that they can beat it. Clog and cover the TFC midfield, pressure the TFC defenders who will either be hoofing the ball long or spending too much time on the ball hoping to find an option. TFC's front three are too isolated. Often they have the choice of taking on two defenders with no passing option near them or pass the ball back to Morgan/Eckersley. Is this now year three of longing for an attacking midfielder??
I would try 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. Get Aceval onto the field as a midfielder so that we have his shot on free kicks.
Plata as late game sub should be his role 50% of the time.

Juanito
04-22-2012, 08:33 AM
I'm not a master tactician, but if you've been around the game for a while, or have ever coached, you realise that although a 4-3-3 is good, you REQUIRE THE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE SYSTEM. It especially relies on the midfield to help distribute the ball. We don't have three good midfielders, heck, we only have one in Frings, and he is 35!

prizby
04-22-2012, 08:51 AM
If this was 2010, I'd understand all the fire Tom Anselmi stuff, but I don't get it now.

All TA has done is realized on non business side of sports, he doesn't know how to run a winning team. So what does he do, he goes out and spends MONEY and brings in someone with a background and pedigree who actually knows a thing or two (Klinsmann). Klinsmann listens to the fans (the fans said they were interested in a possession based/attacking/creative team. Anselmi then listens to what Klinsmann has to say and based on his recommendations he brings over someone who has the knowledge to put in place something what the fans are looking for as well as someone who knows how MLS is run. Then Anselmi has opened up the cheque book for two more designated players as well as a brand new training facility and academy and has promised management the financial support needed to run a successful academy. He has not put his toe in on any of the player signings. Would you really rather have a Jerry Jones or the late Al Davis, or a Daniel Snyder running this team playing fantasy manager?

If I stepped in tomorrow what would I do?

Simple answer is stay the course.

Why?

When you look at everything as a whole, we don't exactly have many options and things we can do currently. Our salary cap is so tight right now, we couldn't even make a move if we wanted to.

ag futbol
04-22-2012, 08:59 AM
^ From many descriptions of the inner workings of TFC (and other MLSE teams), the interference is much greater than you'd otherwise want to believe and it mainly happens under the cloak of "approving expenditures". The board of directors is still meeting to approve large contracts for each team, my question is: why?

Set the budget, tell the manager the expectations, and revisit every once in a while to keep the ball rolling. Reviewing individual contracts? Garbage. Shouldn't have to happen unless it's in an extreme circumstance.

tiberius
04-22-2012, 11:25 AM
What's with the guys who are against starting threads unless you're some veteran poster? Jesus.

Dunno, I gave up starting threads long, long ago...

To the topic of this currently open thread:

- I would do everything I could to get The Guzman (a.k.a. "The bobblehead") to agree to a contract buyout. Even a buyout that saves a $100k would be welcome - it is the principle - he has not delivered and should not be allowed to continue. If he refuses I would put him in the game and then pull him everytime he wiffs a ball - after a while he can go practice with the second team - perhaps he could be waterboi for the Marlies since these two clubs are so closely connected... his contract has sucked the juices out of this organization and it needs to be dealt with - if nothing works, buy him out in June and be done with it.
- with the exception of "bobblehead" I would stop throwing any other players under the bus - they are not the problem at this point...
- bring Mariner in as coach, keep Winter in youth development - Mariner is a big, big part of this friggin mess, so he either fixes it now or he is out at the end of the season.
- ban zoomerang ticket sales, groupon etc. - these short term marketing brain dead ideas are very damaging to the club and the STH base
- the following is obvious: keep most of the current roster, find a friggin CB, stop playing a 3 man backfield so predictably often, get Frings out of the backfield permanently
- start working right now to land a decent coach for next year who can handle the MLS - money is no object.
- if Dero has his regular outstanding season, I would consider a kiss and make up - make him a one-year DP and market the hell out of him (I am not trying to troll - I was asked a question, and I answered)

Toronto
04-22-2012, 11:39 AM
What would you do over the next week/month/3 months/year

There are a LOT of smart people on here, Winter looks like he will have to fall on his sword or get the boot: so if you got the job, how would you do it? Who would you bring in? What formation would you play? Tactics? Style?

Interested to hear this, please keep it positive. There is already a trash Winter thread.


I would sell the team to a group of investors in Tampa Bay allow them to move this cursed franchise, form a supporters ownership group, raise the cash to buy Columbus and move the Crew to Toronto, even if it takes 10 years...

That's how shit this franchise has become.

ensco
04-22-2012, 12:00 PM
This thread is focused on the answers. But what are the right questions? Here are a few of them:

- Which organizations are having MLS success, and why? What can be replicated, and what can't?
- Why are we horrible at identifying Central/South American talent?
- How do you ensure continuity, while maintaining the accountability/independence of the soccer operations people? (this issue is where MLSE has failed more miserably than anywhere else)

iy12l
04-22-2012, 03:15 PM
;1476908']#1 - Fire Tom Anselmi would be my first move. Assuming that by "given the reins" you are referring to becoming the owner of TFC. There's really no other way to go about it. He is inept and has proven that for several years now.

#2 - I would change the formation to include two Strikers: 1. Koevermans, 2. Johnson.

#3 - Bring in a Centre Back who has more mobility than Soolsma, Cann, Frings, Harden, Dunfield.

#4 - Bring back Paul Winsper or someone with similar background to help with the endurance problems at TFC.

#5 - Dump the following players: Harden, Dunfield, Emory

Why would you dump Emory? Hes good at defending and with ball control

jloome
04-22-2012, 04:01 PM
This thread is focused on the answers. But what are the right questions? Here are a few of them:

- Which organizations are having MLS success, and why? What can be replicated, and what can't?
- Why are we horrible at identifying Central/South American talent?
- How do you ensure continuity, while maintaining the accountability/independence of the soccer operations people? (this issue is where MLSE has failed more miserably than anywhere else)

All the most valid questions.

-- It's worth considering that the most successful MLS coaches have all coached at a lower level in U.S. -- Arena, Schmidt, John Spencer, Steve Nicol, all of them had prior experience working with players raised in the american system.

-- The south america question is interesting, as my understanding of scouting is that it's not nearly as team-by-team focussed as most people believe; mostly, these are local talent scouts recommending players to multiple clubs in the league, and then choices being made from there. For example, I have it on good authority that we could've had Camillo (who is Brazilian) and Martin Bonjour, the Argentine centre back in Vancouver, as they were both offered around the league by agents last year. So few if any of these players are fully unknown. We're just making bad choices, indicating we have bad scouts.

-- To me, you separate soccer operations entirely from the rest of the business and put it under a community board management style, incorporating multiple individuals with a vested interest ... but MLSE would never go for it, of course. That's a european community model; it would probably work GREAT with the salary cap (as is the case in Seattle, where fans can vote on the GMs performance) but our team wasn't really built from the grassroots, ala the Sounders, it was built corporately and propped up on the backs of the grassroots supporters.

Then you hire a manager, give him a budget and get out of the way.

Roogsy
04-22-2012, 04:10 PM
^ I agree

jloome
04-22-2012, 04:16 PM
As for the general question? If I had total organization control?

1. I'd institute an internal anonymous complaint system and hire a corporate ombudsman, to hear and adjudicate staff concerns and look into those complaints, with particular reference to repeat areas and individuals. That would put a chill into the heaviest corporate douchebag manipulators instantly.

2. I'd sit down with Winter, De Klerk, and each player individually, and ask them what they think is best for the team. When people are given a chance to be honest without recrimination, it not only produces a lot of good and valid ideas, it produces common patterns of belief and behavior that can help determine who is most productive and who least, who's with the team and whose self-interest doesn't match up to their abilities.

3. If unconvinced that Winter can communicate effectively enough to turn the team around, or unconvinced that he understands the challenges facing the league sufficiently (cap, technique and player background, travel, development), I'd terminate his contract, and De Klerk's, and in the interim, for the remainder of the season, put Mariner or Rongen in charge. Whichever was not given the job would be bought out; we don't need internal emnity from hiring (ala Winter vs Mariner for the top job right now, potentially); either way, the interim manager would be clearly told that they are competing for the job, not auditioning for a coronation, and that if they don't develop a solid winning streak within short order, their chances of being in the job at the end of the season are slim to none.

I would then begin identifying candidates; there are several who fit the same sort of mould as Nicol, Schmidt and Arena already, so there are options. It's not out of the question that Mariner and Rongen could succeed, however, given that both have far more experience than Winter with MLS. I would leave the system up to them; the modern coach adapts.

I'd expand and properly train the communications department, which ... lord, some of them try. Most of them have very little real media experience outside of what they've learned on the job or their one news job before it, so they're kind of flying blind and it's easy to tell.

I don't believe Anselmi and MLSE are really the problem on an ongoing basis -- they just hire the wrong people because they have a limited, corporate groupthink mindset, and it usually takes a conflicting and critically different path to improve something drastically, not one focused on 5% returns and protecting one's own ass. As long as they stay out of the way during the season, it would work.

jloome
04-22-2012, 04:17 PM
^ I agree

Yeah, you'd be surprised how often we do. I just get nitty gritty about the evidenced-results based approach.

Ajax TFC
04-22-2012, 05:50 PM
I posted a little rant on big soccer about what I think the problem with the current management/setup is and I figured I'd post it here too:

the problem isn't the formation. The problem is Winter's inability to select the right players for the style. We have players who CAN play his way, the problem is that he doesn't select them. the Dutch style requires three midfielders, all of whom can: pressure the other team when they don't have the ball, pass accurately, see runners, think relatively quickly, etc. Players like Avila, De Guzman, Burgos, and Frings can do that. But instead Winter benches Avila and Burgos, plays Frings in the back line, and drops De Guzman because he's under preforming, even though he still plays better than Dunfield. And instead he plays players who can't do those things in the midfield like Johnson, Silva, and Dunfield, and plays with wide midfielders which don't add anything in the way of pressure.
IMO almost everything's being done fine EXCEPT for the game day lineup selection. That is on Winter, not De Klerk, and not Mariner. If someone has to go it should be Winter and no one else (well of course Anselmi and Cochrane have to go, but I mean lower management).

I think the biggest problem right now is that the management is currently set up so that nothing can change.
The way this club should be set up is with a general manager who's job is to implement everything that upper management wants done. He would be the one who hires youth coaches, the youth director, and chooses the coach. He could then also fire the coach if the team isn't playing the way he wants the team to play, and isn't getting results.
The problem is that they gave Winter the job of both GM and coach. The only person he's accountable to as a coach is an upper management that really has no understanding of soccer in general. I'd argue that from as a management team, him and his team have done quite well. If he leaves, it's suddenly up to those idiots in upper management again to hire a manager with a similar football philosophy (because that doesn't need to change) as the next manager. If we had had a proper general manager it would be as simple as changing the game day coach. We could probably even just promote De Klerk to head coach if we had a proper gm

Abou Sky
04-22-2012, 07:39 PM
I am new here but...

Has there ever been a concerted effort to get rid of Anselmi?

Maybe a TIFO and a simple chant:
'fire Tom Anselmi' over and over.

He seems to be the common denominator to TFC's failures.

6 coaches, countless players, different 'visions' all overseen by Tommy Boy, why waste our breath on Winter/Players etc when it seems to me that the obvious culprit is Tom.

Thoughts?

tiberius
04-22-2012, 09:51 PM
I am new here but...

Has there ever been a concerted effort to get rid of Anselmi?

Maybe a TIFO and a simple chant:
'fire Tom Anselmi' over and over.

He seems to be the common denominator to TFC's failures.

6 coaches, countless players, different 'visions' all overseen by Tommy Boy, why waste our breath on Winter/Players etc when it seems to me that the obvious culprit is Tom.

Thoughts?

Ahhhh Sky - out of the mouths of babes... Tom is the heir apparent to the MLSE conglomerate - the teflon don, so to speak - another way of saying it would be "yes sky you are 100% correct, and yes we are fucked":facepalm::facepalm: (pardone moi, mon fraincaise)

Abou Sky
04-22-2012, 10:12 PM
But how much money has he lost MLSE by not getting their teams to the playoffs?

Maybe Rogers and Bell have someone to bring in.

I don't think they will operate with the autonomy they enjoyed under teachers.

Teachers was all about 'safe' Rogers is a risk taking company (going back to Ted Rogers laying a cable to everyone's home and then hoping they would pay for something they already got for free)

Also since they stand to gain MORE from tv coverage of playoffs now (100% cut instead of just a piece) I would hope they start to put a lot more effort into results.

Now also may be the ideal time to start calling for Anselmi's head, if HE becomes the albatross around the neck of MLSE when they are taken over he is gone!

tiberius
04-22-2012, 10:24 PM
But how much money has he lost MLSE by not getting their teams to the playoffs?

Maybe Rogers and Bell have someone to bring in.

I don't think they will operate with the autonomy they enjoyed under teachers.

Teachers was all about 'safe' Rogers is a risk taking company (going back to Ted Rogers laying a cable to everyone's home and then hoping they would pay for something they already got for free)

Also since they stand to gain MORE from tv coverage of playoffs now (100% cut instead of just a piece) I would hope they start to put a lot more effort into results.

Now also may be the ideal time to start calling for Anselmi's head, if HE becomes the albatross around the neck of MLSE when they are taken over he is gone!

The Teachers were actually more vulnerable to embarrassment - Bell and Rogers are impervious to ridicule and humiliation. Tommy A. will promise and deliver a stream of profits - that is all Bell and Rogers really care about....

Beach_Red
04-22-2012, 10:33 PM
The Teachers were actually more vulnerable to embarrassment - Bell and Rogers are impervious to ridicule and humiliation. Tommy A. will promise and deliver a stream of profits - that is all Bell and Rogers really care about....

Well, I have no idea if this means anything, but the first thing Bell did when they bought CTV a little over a year ago was to fire the CEO and over the next few months a few more senior execs. And CTV was quite profitable. So, it's possible there will be changes at MLSE when the sale is approved.

tiberius
04-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Well, I have no idea if this means anything, but the first thing Bell did when they bought CTV a little over a year ago was to fire the CEO and over the next few months a few more senior execs. And CTV was quite profitable. So, it's possible there will be changes at MLSE when the sale is approved.

I guess we can hope!!!

Kyle_121
04-22-2012, 11:06 PM
Well, I have no idea if this means anything, but the first thing Bell did when they bought CTV a little over a year ago was to fire the CEO and over the next few months a few more senior execs. And CTV was quite profitable. So, it's possible there will be changes at MLSE when the sale is approved.

Close, but not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Fecan

Beach_Red
04-22-2012, 11:15 PM
Close, but not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Fecan

Yes, officially he retired ( there was a rumour he was taking a job in the UK, did he? I'm not sure). And then his VP and other dvelopment execs were fired (I had a pilot in development when it happened) and Sandra Faire's show was dropped. Maybe Peddie's retirement is the equivalent at MLSE but it is possible that changes will be made.

ecospice
04-23-2012, 01:48 PM
I would lower the price of beer and food at BMO field.

Stryker
04-23-2012, 02:16 PM
If you were given the reins today... (http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?31532-If-you-were-given-the-reins-today)

I'd give everyone bum pats and tell them to buck up.
That's how you build a winning team... copious amounts of bum pats.

Greatest Ripoff
04-23-2012, 02:16 PM
I'd start trying to Big Sam's Bolton.

As a west ham supporter who has seen them live a few times this year, this is something that would lead me to giving up my tickets.

Roogsy
04-23-2012, 04:22 PM
I'd bring back Andi Petrillo in the hopes of nailing her.

bigredone
04-23-2012, 04:52 PM
I'd give everyone bum pats and tell them to buck up.
That's how you build a winning team... copious amounts of bum pats.

Like Avila's?

trane
04-23-2012, 05:56 PM
Honestly, I would dismantle the entire front office. I like the academy, I like the idea of what they are trying to do, not that I love or hate the 4-3-3, but you have to have a system of play a philosophy to build an organization.

I would try to look for teams on the level of Atalanta or Chievo ( I would also say Udinese)in Italy, who may are small market teams that build around their academies, and implement tactics which get them results against better oppositions. They also make money from selling the players they develop in order to keep developing players. I would try to build the chore of their FO and manager over to build a team. They would now how to build a team that can compete now and in the future, and in light of the lack of consistency in the league we could be the club in north america. By playing simple winning football.