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Technorgasm
04-21-2012, 03:46 PM
Courtney. JDS agent says they had a meeting with mlse. And TFC want him gone ASAP

king dave
04-21-2012, 05:17 PM
1 down, 7 to go.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7262/7100153387_aec5da653b_b.jpg
KD.

trane
04-21-2012, 05:37 PM
^Hahahahaha. I have to make sure to buy you a drink or two this year.

billyfly
04-21-2012, 05:44 PM
Hmmmm.

Pookie
04-21-2012, 07:50 PM
Fact or fiction?

brad
04-21-2012, 07:58 PM
Interesting. How does that help us though, if the cap space is already tied up for the season?

Jack
04-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Not surprising. Stinson and Dunfield are ahead of you in the rotation...

Pookie
04-21-2012, 08:11 PM
Interesting. How does that help us though, if the cap space is already tied up for the season?

It doesn't really if he is bought out. Unless, the MLS makes some "allocation money" available to us to use on another player.

It would help if he is somehow transferred.

If he opts to "retire," I'm not sure what would happen to the cap hit but assuming there is a buy out of some kind, that would still count.

ArmenJBX
04-21-2012, 08:13 PM
What's your source here...?

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 10:06 PM
They had the chance to do it in the off-season. They blew it. That's on current management. This is the SECOND Canadian international they've mismanaged.

Why is this in the international forum?

Richard
04-21-2012, 10:54 PM
Is this real or bullshit?

Buyout wont do any good cap wise nor will a disgruntled player screwing morale even further. I dont see any club paying a transfer fee when his contract is expiring in less than 6 months, and i doubt he retires mid season but this is TFC where Dichio retired midseaon as well.

jabbronies
04-21-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm actually disappointed with JDG's time here. I was always behind him until this season. He hasn't come through.
Guy needs to go.

Relja
04-21-2012, 11:01 PM
Get him out bring someone worth that money in.

kodiakTFC
04-21-2012, 11:17 PM
He improved with Frings coming aboard but who hasn't. I've been a supporter of his but maybe it is time for him to go if we have another DP candidate.

razor787
04-21-2012, 11:23 PM
Let anyone pick him up on a free. He's worthless here, and is only hurting us. With his contract up in 6 months, nobody will want to pay a fee. Free is the only way to go (and even still he may not be wanted)

Juanito
04-21-2012, 11:27 PM
I have a feeling he has given up. This may be his birthplace, but I think his heart is in Europe.

Whoop
04-21-2012, 11:30 PM
Ultimately the worst decision the club ever made IMO.

His signing disrupted the team as it looked like it was turning the corner and the chain of events that proceeded from it, the club still hasn't recovered from them.

And now the contract is an albatross.

Juanito
04-21-2012, 11:37 PM
He came with so much hype. It just boggles the mind how much of a disaster his time here has been.

kodiakTFC
04-21-2012, 11:39 PM
Ultimately the worst decision the club ever made IMO.

His signing disrupted the team as it looked like it was turning the corner and the chain of events that proceeded from it, the club still hasn't recovered from them.

And now the contract is an albatross.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Would DeRo have had the same antics if he didn't see an under performing JDG earning so much more? I don't know.

TFC07
04-21-2012, 11:40 PM
No surprises there (if this rumour is true).

Shakes McQueen
04-21-2012, 11:40 PM
I liked the signing at the time, but no doubt it has been an abysmal failure. At best he has been a serviceable player who shows flashes of what we thought he was. But more often than not he's a sub-standard MLS midfielder, getting paid like a marquee one.

- Scott

Roogsy
04-21-2012, 11:40 PM
Ultimately the worst decision the club ever made IMO.

His signing disrupted the team as it looked like it was turning the corner and the chain of events that proceeded from it, the club still hasn't recovered from them.

And now the contract is an albatross.

I figured we've paid him over $6mill during his time here. Ridiculous.

Stryker
04-21-2012, 11:41 PM
Aside from Champions league this is the best thing to happen to TFC in 2012.
Pitty management was too stupid to buyout his useless ass in the offseason.

greatwhitenorf
04-21-2012, 11:43 PM
They must have thought at that price they were getting a De Lorean.

The De Guzman is more of a jumped-up, single-seater, urban runabout. A high-revving, high-maintenance, 1.2 litre turbo. A bit of zip but no torque and little trade-in value. Could be some collectable value in the Chia Pet hood ornament.

Detroit_TFC
04-21-2012, 11:55 PM
DPs have been a mixed bag, literally. For every Blanco, Beckham, Henry, there's been an Omar Bravo, Frank Rost, Freddy Ljungberg, or so, based on a quick look at the list. We've had 2 duds (JDG, Mista) and 2 not a dud (Frings, Danny K).

Bars92
04-22-2012, 12:00 AM
Danny k is approaching dud status. I hope I am proven wrong tho.

dupont
04-22-2012, 12:00 AM
He's not as bad as Winter

greatwhitenorf
04-22-2012, 12:26 AM
But he is fat.

Just One Man
04-22-2012, 01:05 AM
I hope it is true. Guy hasn't done anything overtly offensive, so the dummies haven't had a rallying cry like DeRo's cheque signing, but he has and always was completely useless. Dude was a carpetbagger from the start. He signed at the eleventh hour when Toronto FC was his last option.

In reality, the JDG signing completely fucked the franchise because it set in motion the events that led to the departure of the the best ever TFC player by an unfathomable distance.

Thanks for being terrible JDG!

DoubleUp
04-22-2012, 06:48 AM
But he is fat.

:lurk5:

Pookie
04-22-2012, 06:50 AM
Danny k is approaching dud status. I hope I am proven wrong tho.

9 goals in 15 appearances isn't enough to prove you wrong?

narduch
04-22-2012, 06:57 AM
I have a feeling this thread is wishful thinking. I don't think we're lucky enough.

ensco
04-22-2012, 07:13 AM
No one will take on that contract. I bet they have tried before. No one will even take on that contract even if TFC pay 90% of it.

TFC's only option is to pay him 100% of his money and send him home.

denime
04-22-2012, 07:30 AM
Courtney. JDS agent says they had a meeting with mlse. And TFC want him gone ASAP


Who is that JDS guy?Do we know him?

Azerban
04-22-2012, 07:31 AM
Danny k is approaching dud status. I hope I am proven wrong tho.

Yeah, lets kick out everyone who has 9 goals in 15 games or whatever for us, that'll help things.

JDG should've been dealt with a long time ago. Our upper management has no idea what's going on.

narduch
04-22-2012, 07:36 AM
This team isn't making money like it use to. They probably don't want to eat De Guzman's $1.9 million salary, no matter how much it will help improve the team overall.

Flipityflu
04-22-2012, 07:37 AM
three man defense against a speedy attack, and we are talking about firing players...

cementhead
04-22-2012, 07:56 AM
Gareth Wheeler said there are rumor that TFC sitting him to get ride of him.Plus there look to be some inter fighting between coach and manager.Hear this on the way back for the game.

ag futbol
04-22-2012, 08:29 AM
Do a piss poor job and simultaneously throw someone else under the bus. JDG hasn't been good, but I think our fearless leader who would have issues motivating a starving man to eat with his people skills that resemble a rock should look in the mirror.

What was the Mo Johnston handbook again?
- blame the officials
- blame the lack of grass
- blame the roster rules
- blame player injuries
- blame the players
- clean out your desk

The cycle is almost complete.

Parkdale
04-22-2012, 08:38 AM
Ultimately the worst decision the club ever made IMO.


I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.

It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.

Pookie
04-22-2012, 09:08 AM
I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.

It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.

I can fault management. Not because of the player but for the reasons that he was brought here.

Mo indicated that he wanted a Designated Player and felt strongly that the player had to be Canadian. Limiting your search for an impact player to the location on a birth certificate is simply bad management. From a justifying ticket price increases at the time of a renewal it made some sense and that's about it.

Parkdale
04-22-2012, 09:15 AM
I Limiting your search for an impact player to the location on a birth certificate is simply bad management.

http://images.lpcdn.ca/435x290/201009/08/198341-ali-gerba.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/091/e/3/troll_face_dancing_banana_by_zorkky-d3cyzrl.gif

Beach_Red
04-22-2012, 09:44 AM
I can fault management. Not because of the player but for the reasons that he was brought here.

Mo indicated that he wanted a Designated Player and felt strongly that the player had to be Canadian. Limiting your search for an impact player to the location on a birth certificate is simply bad management. From a justifying ticket price increases at the time of a renewal it made some sense and that's about it.

That whole process seemed to show some real problems with the team. Senior management said from the beginning they would approve "the right" DP and we even had long threads on here about the pros and cons of a DP signing, but it took years. Then the DP was Canadian - that would seem to be a marketing department decision (why would the coaxh or manager care?). By that point Mo was clearly in way over his head and desperate to please his bosses and keep his job and there were threads on here asking for JDG so he was signed. That was the clearest point we could have started to ask, "Who is running this team?"

And since that point we haven't really got an answer to that question.

Whoop
04-22-2012, 09:52 AM
I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.

It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.

Of course hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time I remember not a lot of supporters were happy with the signing. Sure some were because finally TFC had a DP and he was Canadian.

But when the signs were there when JDG was hemming and hawing about signing that some started to question the signing.

Though when you look back, the signing, moreso than the Mista signing, was the worst decision the club made. At least with Mista it was a strong term thing. This signing, the length and the moves that came as a result of it, making a bad decision.

ag futbol
04-22-2012, 10:08 AM
I have to question with the salary cap whether the right number of designed players is two or three. It just eats up so much of your resources.

For that same 300k cap hit, you can then have three players on your roster who earn 200k instead of 100 ... which would in theory mean a great increase in quality.

Yohan
04-22-2012, 10:16 AM
Two regular dps, plus one young dp that has less of cap hit. Then again im from the school of thought that thinks dps are overrated in mls

ag futbol
04-22-2012, 10:23 AM
^ Totally forgot about that... but that's a great point. Good way to squeeze more talent out of the system.

TFC OZZ
04-22-2012, 11:11 AM
I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.

It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.

Couldn't agree more. They took a risk that I think most management teams in their position would make, and it was actually in accordance with what many fans wanted (that doesn't happen too often with this team). It's too bad, but I'm not going to fault TFC too much for this.

Belfast_Boy
04-22-2012, 11:33 AM
I have a feeling he has given up. This may be his birthplace, but I think his heart is in Europe.

I'd say he never tried. seemed like he never wanted to play here.

he's bad for the team. bench players are starting before him and he's making a huge amount of cash. that can't be good for the other boys on the squad.

ag futbol
04-22-2012, 11:41 AM
^ I would be dollars to donuts his body is completely destroyed and he has no prayer of ever playing at the level he did previously. It takes quite a bit to explain how someone could regress so rapidly over a few years.

That being said, TFC really came into that deal with a total lack of knowledge. Asking JDG to play the AM spot? stupid, stupid, stupid. This guy was famous at his club in Spain for shooting the ball over the net. Everyone looks at that vintage gold cup 2007 performance and thinks that's how he plays. That was a watershed moment in terms of offensive performance, he's never put anything like that up consistently in his club playing days at all. He was known for being an extremely smart hard-man who shielded the backline. That would have been a quite solid and necessary role for a player to fill in MLS.

What would have been smart was: keeping JDG as a DM and putting Guevara in front of him.

69Chevy396
04-22-2012, 11:42 AM
I'm actually disappointed with JDG's time here. I was always behind him until this season. He hasn't come through.
Guy needs to go.

Signing him was a bonehead move from the beginning. At a time the club needed scoring they recruit a player who never did much offensively and was on a sharp decline defensively. Playing for the CNT, sorry to say, means squat. An Serie B team could give the Canadian NT a thrashing most nights. So JDB was a sub on a lousy club. His amazing two years in Spain were an anomally, he was a short pass specialist on a team of very good players. His deficiencies were easily hidden or ignored. Why for Gods sake TFC recruits him made no sense whatsover and demonstrates for me the sheer stupidity behind the decision making of this club.

You want to build a decent mls team? Copy those clubs who have done it, stop trying to reinvent the wheel....a team of average mls players drawn largely from American or latin players are the way to go.....Koevermans next I hope. He is too nice of a guy to receive the derisive chants he will be seeing soon, aka Mista and Robert.

69Chevy396
04-22-2012, 11:45 AM
MLSE could eat his salary and the only impact will be one less smoked salmon platter at the monthly board meeting

Waggy
04-22-2012, 11:52 AM
Since most of the money we owe JDG is DP money, that means it comes from MLSE, not the league right? Theoretically, we could even pay a team to take him off or hands in exchange for their DP spot this year (after this year JDG is a free agent, team x gets their spot back and we get the spot JDG took back). MLS would give us the allocation to bring in a new DP, its their M.O. The more big name big money players, the better. If TFC will pay for 4 DPs at once (3 here and 1 somewhere else), god bless em.

Edit: if this is true, I really really hope MLSE learned something from the Dero fiasco and makes a move sooner rather than later. Don't let the relationship get even worse. Don't let it get too far into the room. Don't let it become a huge distraction for the team over a prolonged period of time

Beach_Red
04-22-2012, 11:56 AM
Backstage at TFC might be a dcent reality show. All this manouvering with JDG's agent about buying him out and then someone tries to sign yet another saviour... Does Mariner want to save Winter's job or take the job himself? Lots of blame to go around and probably plenty of drama.

Kooper
04-22-2012, 12:02 PM
Do a piss poor job and simultaneously throw someone else under the bus. JDG hasn't been good, but I think our fearless leader who would have issues motivating a starving man to eat with his people skills that resemble a rock should look in the mirror.

What was the Mo Johnston handbook again?
- blame the officials
- blame the lack of grass
- blame the roster rules
- blame player injuries
- blame the players
- clean out your desk

The cycle is almost complete.

There were a couple of moments when I wanted to start a "You're getting sacked in the morning" chant yesterday.

MLSE's Handbook
Bring in a new manager
Give support to their 5 year plan
Let the New Manager get rid the young prospects on the team
Let the New Manager bring in new players to fit their system
Let the Net Manager bring in a DP
Bring in a new manager ...

We have replaced all our players and our managers again and again. You would think after 5 seasons this blind squirrel would would have found a nut.

Ownership isn't the issue. Senoir Managment is. Tom Aselmi and his team have run the Raptors, Leafs and TFC so poorly it is shocking.

reggie
04-22-2012, 12:07 PM
i agree jdg as to go,his replacements are hardly anything to shout about (dunfield and stinson) yikesss ..unless you play frings in his position

jabbronies
04-22-2012, 12:09 PM
Signing him was a bonehead move from the beginning. At a time the club needed scoring they recruit a player who never did much offensively and was on a sharp decline defensively. Playing for the CNT, sorry to say, means squat. An Serie B team could give the Canadian NT a thrashing most nights. So JDB was a sub on a lousy club. His amazing two years in Spain were an anomally, he was a short pass specialist on a team of very good players. His deficiencies were easily hidden or ignored. Why for Gods sake TFC recruits him made no sense whatsover and demonstrates for me the sheer stupidity behind the decision making of this club.

You want to build a decent mls team? Copy those clubs who have done it, stop trying to reinvent the wheel....a team of average mls players drawn largely from American or latin players are the way to go.....Koevermans next I hope. He is too nice of a guy to receive the derisive chants he will be seeing soon, aka Mista and Robert.

I don't follow La Liga, so the only thing I know about him is that he was Deportivo player of the year.
From what I saw at first he seemed like he had potential and that probably the players around him were the problem.
Then I saw him improve dramatically last year with the addition of better players - however the thing that stuck me was the inconstancy of his play. This carried over to this year, but it's now being compounded by the 0-6 start.

As a DP in a situation like we are in - he should've stepped up and been a leader - but he's only done it once this season against Santos at home. Although Frings fucked up in the first minute of the game yesterday - he shook it off and looked pretty decent the rest of the game. Ended up leading the game at every position! That's what a DP should do.

I never thought JDG was worth DP money, but I still think he could be a good keep at around 150-200K Max per season.

jabbronies
04-22-2012, 12:10 PM
i agree jdg as to go,his replacements are hardly anything to shout about (dunfield and stinson) yikesss ..unless you play frings in his position

That's where Frings should be.

Kooper
04-22-2012, 12:13 PM
I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.

It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.

I still feel that he hasn't played his best because he hasn't had support or players good enough to help him shine. When he was playing with Dero he was a better player. He needs outlets he can be confident will recieve the ball and do something about it. He needs players that get into intelligent positions. What he has had, and yesterday showed it, are a lot of players who don't really know what they are doing, don't run and are not good enough.

Yes the argument can be made that good players play raise their team mates but for a player who is good at winning the ball and playing the short pass he needs support. Otherwise he just wins the ball and ends up being isolated and having to hoof the ball, get tackled or have his pass intercepted. I really doubt that Makalele or Paul Scholes would do well in the TFC set up.

moralis
04-22-2012, 12:50 PM
Maybe TFC can sign Michael Ballack:

Michael Ballack confirms on German television that he will play in MLS: No specific club named

http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/post/2012/04/22/video-ballack-confirme-son-intention-de-jouer-en-mls

Anybody understand German

Richard
04-22-2012, 01:04 PM
Maybe TFC can sign Michael Ballack:

Michael Ballack confirms on German television that he will play in MLS: No specific club named

http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/post/2012/04/22/video-ballack-confirme-son-intention-de-jouer-en-mls

Anybody understand German

If we had a DP spot we would be serious contenders as Frings could persuade him.

MartinUtd
04-22-2012, 01:22 PM
How is Micahel Ballack going to solve our defensive problems? Are we just conceding that Frings will play out of position at CB for the rest of his tenure?

ensco
04-22-2012, 01:45 PM
Frings is going to be warning Ballack about TFC, not recruiting him.

ExiledRed
04-22-2012, 01:47 PM
Frings is going to be warning Ballack about TFC, not recruiting him.

hahahahahahahahaha!

Maybe Ballack should talk to Klinsman?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w180/ExiledRed/klins.jpg

Torontotonto
04-22-2012, 03:29 PM
JDG could be gone fast enough for me.
Just eat the salary for the year.

jloome
04-22-2012, 03:36 PM
I think it's notable that he's been the group leader every time we've had a "Players only" meeting in the last few years. I think maybe Paul James was right, he's a serious locker-room cancer. Players side with players, not management. Maybe winter and De Klerk want him gone because he's undermining them.

Bars92
04-22-2012, 04:17 PM
9 goals in 15 appearances isn't enough to prove you wrong?

Its just the way he's showed up this year seemingly out of condition, I hope he gets his form back that he had last year.

Oldtimer
04-22-2012, 04:24 PM
What was the Mo Johnston handbook again?
- blame the officials
- blame the lack of grass
- blame the roster rules
- blame player injuries
- blame the players
- clean out your desk



It actually cycles through a few times before the "clean out your desk" part, the secret is the mysterious "five year plan," that lets you off the hook for at least 3 years.

colman1860
04-22-2012, 06:44 PM
In the interview with Ballack, he says that he has had conversations with several different clubs, and that although he doesn't want to rule anything out, he's more interested in MLS than China or UAE. Perhaps interesting to note (though I'm probably reading too much into it) that the interviewer keeps saying "USA" when asking Ballack about coming here, but he never uses that term - always says MLS or "over there" or something to that effect.

rocker
04-22-2012, 06:53 PM
JDG has played under a number of different TFC coaches with different philosophies. He's never looked good -- except for a game here and there -- under any of them. I have no use for him anymore.

TFC Cityboy
04-22-2012, 08:14 PM
I can't name my source but have it on a reliable authority that after the Montreal defeat, JDG , as captain, told the lads that the effort was not good enough, at which point Luis Silva confronted him and told him he should look at his own effort. The 2 had to be prised apart.
The following week, Silva starts, Ecks is skipper and JDG is on the bench...

Nuvinho
04-22-2012, 08:20 PM
^ What? really.....Silva has some balls especially as a rookie. Good on him for doing that.

TFC Cityboy
04-22-2012, 08:29 PM
^ What? really.....Silva has some balls especially as a rookie. Good on him for doing that.

that's what I'm told and I wouldn't write it if it were not from a reliable source within the club....that's all I can say.

ArmenJBX
04-22-2012, 08:35 PM
I can't name my source but have it on a reliable authority that after the Montreal defeat, JDG , as captain, told the lads that the effort was not good enough, at which point Luis Silva confronted him and told him he should look at his own effort. The 2 had to be prised apart.
The following week, Silva starts, Ecks is skipper and JDG is on the bench...

There's a little bit more to this story than just that but....
there is something there.

Roogsy
04-22-2012, 08:37 PM
^ What? really.....Silva has some balls especially as a rookie. Good on him for doing that.

I like that Silva kid. If it was Winter's decision to draft him, that is one in the plus column for him. But in the end, we'll probably trade him away. That's the TFC way.

Nuvinho
04-22-2012, 08:41 PM
I like that Silva kid. If it was Winter's decision to draft him, that is one in the plus column for him. But in the end, we'll probably trade him away. That's the TFC way.

you mean trade him away like another kid who called out his team's efforts after a 6-0 loss? Damn, I would of loved if we still kept Sam Cronin.

69Chevy396
04-22-2012, 09:14 PM
you mean trade him away like another kid who called out his team's efforts after a 6-0 loss? Damn, I would of loved if we still kept Sam Cronin.

Right now I would trade JDG for Gargan.

razor787
04-22-2012, 09:37 PM
I would trade jdg for Marco Velez or Andrea Lombardo. Either of them would be more useful than jdg at this point.

Hitcho
04-22-2012, 09:39 PM
There's a little bit more to this story than just that but....
there is something there.

Then post it.

ryan
04-22-2012, 09:59 PM
Sorry, someone refresh me on what can be done with JDG? I don't see him riding the bench all season. We can release/pay him? But get the roster/salary space?

Or we can sell him (not that anyone would, but it is an option)

Or trade within MLS (not that anyone...)


Yes?

ryan
04-22-2012, 10:00 PM
There's a little bit more to this story than just that but....
there is something there.

Good to hear about. I like Silva, he's a young kid and has had a few ups and downs so far. Seems like he doesn't let that faze him though and shows some pretty decent skill. I would love for him to develop into a leader as he matures and improves his game as well.

Abou Sky
04-22-2012, 10:04 PM
Sorry, someone refresh me on what can be done with JDG? I don't see him riding the bench all season. We can release/pay him? But get the roster/salary space?

Or we can sell him (not that anyone would, but it is an option)

Or trade within MLS (not that anyone...)


Yes?

LOOPHOLE!!! We can buy him out and sell him (for $1) and get our cap space back!!!!!

Just found this out!

Fucking sweet!!!!

tiberius
04-22-2012, 10:07 PM
Sorry, someone refresh me on what can be done with JDG? ...

Embarrass the hell out of of him big time and get him to bargain his way out, or just buy the cancer out for the full price tag - there are your options. Third option is to let him screw the team up for the rest of the year - what a great set of choices....

Furtado91
04-22-2012, 10:13 PM
just read this from ms.knowitall(Jennifer benson)

#TFC (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23TFC) Director (Player Development) P.Mariner & agent of Chelsea CM R.Meireles talk Designated Player Contract.. J. De Guzman buyout imminent.


Raul Meireles come to toronto fc? While we are at it, lets see if Ronaldo will leave Madrid and come to TFC looking for a new challenge. I love the players and if this had even a shred of truth to it, id run down the street naked. Too bad it aint happening :(.


(https://twitter.com/#)

tiberius
04-22-2012, 10:18 PM
I can't name my source but have it on a reliable authority that after the Montreal defeat, JDG , as captain, told the lads that the effort was not good enough, at which point Luis Silva confronted him and told him he should look at his own effort. The 2 had to be prised apart.
The following week, Silva starts, Ecks is skipper and JDG is on the bench...
The Guz is so yesterday - get him out of the locker room now before he causes any more damage... what a bobblehead!

Richard
04-22-2012, 10:19 PM
just read this from ms.knowitall(Jennifer benson)

#TFC (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23TFC) Director (Player Development) P.Mariner & agent of Chelsea CM R.Meireles talk Designated Player Contract.. J. De Guzman buyout imminent.


Raul Meireles come to toronto fc? While we are at it, lets see if Ronaldo will leave Madrid and come to TFC looking for a new challenge. I love the players and if this had even a shred of truth to it, id run down the street naked. Too bad it aint happening :(.




R.Meireles? I would shit my pants if this happened.

Furtado91
04-22-2012, 10:24 PM
R.Meireles? I would shit my pants if this happened.

I would too he is my favourite midfielder.

backbeat
04-22-2012, 10:35 PM
I would too he is my favourite midfielder.

who is Jennifer Benson and why would anyone care or believe what she says other than it sounds nice, which means nothing?

ArmenJBX
04-22-2012, 10:41 PM
Then post it.

Can't talk about it too much :(


Good to hear about. I like Silva, he's a young kid and has had a few ups and downs so far. Seems like he doesn't let that faze him though and shows some pretty decent skill. I would love for him to develop into a leader as he matures and improves his game as well.

Luis Silva is a leader in the locker room. Baffled as to his lack of playing time.



just read this from ms.knowitall(Jennifer benson)

#TFC (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23TFC) Director (Player Development) P.Mariner & agent of Chelsea CM R.Meireles talk Designated Player Contract.. J. De Guzman buyout imminent.


Raul Meireles come to toronto fc? While we are at it, lets see if Ronaldo will leave Madrid and come to TFC looking for a new challenge. I love the players and if this had even a shred of truth to it, id run down the street naked. Too bad it aint happening :(.




Never heard this before.
If it comes true, though, it puts the RPB tweets into a more serious look, too.

Also, I found this:
http://florida.arrests.org/mugs/Hillsborough/2011/11048221.jpg

Furtado91
04-22-2012, 10:42 PM
who is Jennifer Benson and why would anyone care or believe what she says other than it sounds nice, which means nothing?

im not taking the tweet as something that can possibly happen. if you had read my OP you would see i was being sarcastic about this whole tweet. and Jennifer Benson is this person who has been tweeting bad shit about us, which we all laugh it.

Furtado91
04-22-2012, 10:44 PM
http://florida.arrests.org/mugs/Hillsborough/2011/11048221.jpg


^^^^ who is that Armen?

Auzzy
04-22-2012, 10:47 PM
^ That's Zachary Herold. No idea why Armen is posting his picture though.

(The kid who was drafted by TFC in 2010, but after TFC medical tests, they realized he had heart trouble & retired before ever playing a pro game.)

ArmenJBX
04-22-2012, 10:54 PM
LOL, i was on florida.arrests.org looking at celebrity mugshots and I did a double take, as I was posting that comment :D

It's irrelevant but I figured making another thread would be a waste of time :D

Klinsmann
04-22-2012, 11:36 PM
Another former player that also made it onto Florida.arrests.org too...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxmHIvtZMOpXYRZtf-Xv-Ovs15pyuoqN8RxlUFc1E3hlp8-lB2e3ysoTkh

Code Red
04-23-2012, 12:52 AM
just read this from ms.knowitall(Jennifer benson)

#TFC (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23TFC) Director (Player Development) P.Mariner & agent of Chelsea CM R.Meireles talk Designated Player Contract.. J. De Guzman buyout imminent.


Raul Meireles come to toronto fc? While we are at it, lets see if Ronaldo will leave Madrid and come to TFC looking for a new challenge. I love the players and if this had even a shred of truth to it, id run down the street naked. Too bad it aint happening :(.




I think we all know how reliable his/her sources are... homemade and not a shred of truth to them as far as I'm concerned... but since we're on the topic of Meireles, his g/f is pretty hot. g:D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TXjZoKDK5Ds/TH2qivPS4qI/AAAAAAAAAyM/JexiXqwZ5b8/s1600/raul-meireles-girlfriend.jpg

Nestease
04-23-2012, 01:02 AM
LOL, i was on florida.arrests.org looking at celebrity mugshots and I did a double take, as I was posting that comment :D

It's irrelevant but I figured making another thread would be a waste of time :D

There was already a thread on this many months ago.

Oblio2
04-23-2012, 06:53 AM
JDG-Get out and go away you worthless, dickless, uselss sack of dog feces.

Stouffville_RPB
04-23-2012, 07:26 AM
What has been a bigger mistake signing JDG to a long term deal or letting Mo Johnson run the team for 4 full years?

Honestly JDG has been a horrible signing. NO ONE in Europe would offer him a contract and TFC threw a boatload of money at him. He couldn't even get motivated after that and waited until he was absolutely certain that he only had one option, to come to Toronto. One would think that for someone wanting to play in Europe so bad that JDG would work his ass off and earn a contract back in Europe, instead this could be his last pro contract. After seeing this for 4 seasons who would seriously offer JDG anything? If you can't get up to play for millions why would you for anything else?

Worst thing TFC has done EVER! The signing forced Dichio to retire early and Dero to leave town and JDG did this all without having to play at a high level.

Mista was shit but at least he was only on a short term deal and scored against Cruz Azul.

Gazza
04-23-2012, 07:37 AM
JDG-Get out and go away you worthless, dickless, uselss sack of dog feces.

Source?

lerxst
04-23-2012, 07:49 AM
]I hope it is true. Guy hasn't done anything overtly offensive, so the dummies haven't had a rallying cry like DeRo's cheque signing, but he has and always was completely useless. Dude was a carpetbagger from the start. He signed at the eleventh hour when Toronto FC was his last option.

In reality, the JDG signing completely fucked the franchise because it set in motion the events that led to the departure of the the best ever TFC player by an unfathomable distance.

Thanks for being terrible JDG!

10 goals in 17 games in 2011. That means you're wrong. Yeah he's had a bad start but so has this entire team in 2012. Cut him some slack.

SilverSamurai
04-23-2012, 07:53 AM
What has been a bigger mistake signing JDG to a long term deal or letting Mo Johnson run the team for 4 full years?

Honestly JDG has been a horrible signing. NO ONE in Europe would offer him a contract and TFC threw a boatload of money at him. He couldn't even get motivated after that and waited until he was absolutely certain that he only had one option, to come to Toronto. One would think that for someone wanting to play in Europe so bad that JDG would work his ass off and earn a contract back in Europe, instead this could be his last pro contract. After seeing this for 4 seasons who would seriously offer JDG anything? If you can't get up to play for millions why would you for anything else?

Worst thing TFC has done EVER! The signing forced Dichio to retire early and Dero to leave town and JDG did this all without having to play at a high level.

Mista was shit but at least he was only on a short term deal and scored against Cruz Azul.

Yes, I'm 1 of the few JDG supporters but admit his time here has largely been a bust. Would love to keep him here for 150-200k though but doubt that's possible.

As for why no one in Europe took him, there are 2 main reason (or excuses if you want to see them as such)
1- He publicly spoke out against Deportivo for not paying him and owing him unpaid wages.
2- He doesn't have an EU/UK passport.

As was brought up loong ago during the initial signing, JDG isn't a goal scorer and wasn't brought on to net 10 goals a season. Would be nice if he did but that's not what he was brought in for.
Anyways, back to the show. :)

lerxst
04-23-2012, 08:04 AM
hahahahahahahahaha!

Maybe Ballack should talk to Klinsman?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w180/ExiledRed/klins.jpg

Agreed. The concept of "total football" just can't work here when 2/3 of your team is incapable of doing so. Don't get me wrong. I'm still behind the boys but just like every other team in MLS, they have skill sets that are limited (MLS cap). Therefore you need to utilize a more practical system under the circumstances.

You'll also be interested to learn that when asked what he thought about the league (MLS), Klinsmann's response response was, "I don't watch MLS. The football is rather poor." :| So we basically entrusted the direction of this club to a guy who knows absolutely nothing about the league in which it plays. Derrrrrp.

__wowza
04-23-2012, 08:09 AM
just read this from ms.knowitall(Jennifer benson)

#TFC (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23TFC) Director (Player Development) P.Mariner & agent of Chelsea CM R.Meireles talk Designated Player Contract.. J. De Guzman buyout imminent.

as much as i hate giving this wperson any more attention then they've already gotten, i'd like to point out that posting baseless rumours about the RPBs is kind've ironic when they're using the boards to snag rumours for their twitter.

having said that, JDG has done nothing to deserve to wear our badge. he came into fanfare, and he'll leave to a thunderous chorus of boos. he's improved under frings, but so has everyone else. he has no heart and he should've been gone ages ago. i hope this is true.

Stouffville_RPB
04-23-2012, 08:20 AM
Agreed. The concept of "total football" just can't work here when 2/3 of your team is incapable of doing so. Don't get me wrong. I'm still behind the boys but just like every other team in MLS, they have skill sets that are limited (MLS cap). Therefore you need to utilize a more practical system under the circumstances.


Which is exactly why so much focus has turned to the academy. It is the most viable way to get a team of players who are capable of playing the system in this league.



As was brought up loong ago during the initial signing, JDG isn't a goal scorer and wasn't brought on to net 10 goals a season. Would be nice if he did but that's not what he was brought in for.


I 100% agree with you here. The worst thing he did was score for Canada against Jamaica in the WCQ's at BMO. It gave far too many people the wrong view of what it is that JDG actually brought. In a less physical league like La Liga JDG can be a bulldog, muscling players off the ball and passing to teammates, but in MLS where every player is at least as physical as he is he simply isn't effective.

ACSertL
04-23-2012, 08:21 AM
Source?

:lol: Amazing!

Jack
04-23-2012, 08:52 AM
If it comes true, though, it puts the RPB tweets into a more serious look, too.

So a guy fishes a rumour from our boards, puts up another unsubstantiated rumour and that justifies several completely false statements? Armen, you're reaching pretty hard here...

An anonymous source quoting an anonymous source making statements without proof. You've been to journalism school, Armen... :picard:

MartinUtd
04-23-2012, 10:06 AM
Source?

Apparently he drives a hummer.

greatwhitenorf
04-23-2012, 10:13 AM
If De Guzman's impending departure comes to pass, we bid fond adieu to the Scarborough Soccer Mafia, Toronto Chapter. They tried to commandeer the bridge of the good ship TFC, but brighter minds than theirs said No and Farewell to Adrian Serioux, Dwayne De Rosario and Julian De Guzman.

Honestly, when they all first came on board, didn't you like the direction we were heading in? That direction quickly turned south and sour with each and every one of them.

Add in Nana Attakora's situation, Jim Brennan's fluctuating role and Adrian Cann's distress at his contract situation and it's clear that this club has a hard time signing and coping with Toronto area players who have developed elsewhere. Maybe we'll have better luck with academy grads. The key would seem to be not to develop young egomaniacs who think they have a birthright to put this club over a barrel.

69Chevy396
04-23-2012, 10:15 AM
So a guy fishes a rumour from our boards, puts up another unsubstantiated rumour and that justifies several completely false statements? Armen, you're reaching pretty hard here...

An anonymous source quoting an anonymous source making statements without proof. You've been to journalism school, Armen... :picard:

It makes for entertaining gossip. We don't have a lot to talk about this year. Gasping for air again. Amusing reading the few JDG apologists. "He wasn't brought here to score". Agreed: He was brought here to lead a sputtering offence by solidifying a weak defence and non-existent midfield. He was supposed to be an MLS allstar. He was supposed to be better than the competition. Yet, one does not need to spend much time on this recalling the numerous give-aways, lousy distribution and lack of tackling to realize very quickly just how grossly overrated this guy is and was.

Fort York Redcoat
04-23-2012, 10:38 AM
If De Guzman's impending departure comes to pass, we bid fond adieu to the Scarborough Soccer Mafia, Toronto Chapter. They tried to commandeer the bridge of the good ship TFC, but brighter minds than theirs said No and Farewell to Adrian Serioux, Dwayne De Rosario and Julian De Guzman.

Honestly, when they all first came on board, didn't you like the direction we were heading in? That direction quickly turned south and sour with each and every one of them.

Add in Nana Attakora's situation, Jim Brennan's fluctuating role and Adrian Cann's distress at his contract situation and it's clear that this club has a hard time signing and coping with Toronto area players who have developed elsewhere. Maybe we'll have better luck with academy grads. The key would seem to be not to develop young egomaniacs who think they have a birthright to put this club over a barrel.

While I agree this team has taken the local lad stance too far I cannot say that Nana, Cann, or Serioux put the team "over a barrel". Cann has had a 180 since his holdout pre injury. Nana, while he was over-billed, ended up moving before too much damage was done. There was nothing wrong with what we got from Serioux who was nothing but a workhorse battling constant injuries to make his effort worth his price tag.

Nuvinho
04-23-2012, 10:54 AM
Kristan Jack just posted 2 tweets:

1. He spoke to JDG's agent and there was no meeting with MLSE ( agents never tell the truth )
2. JDG plans to play out the season at TFC no matter how much playing time he gets ( of course he will - dollar bills yo! $$$ )

Belfast_Boy
04-23-2012, 10:56 AM
damn! I was hoping this was true!

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 11:04 AM
So a guy fishes a rumour from our boards, puts up another unsubstantiated rumour and that justifies several completely false statements? Armen, you're reaching pretty hard here...

An anonymous source quoting an anonymous source making statements without proof. You've been to journalism school, Armen... :picard:

You've completely pegged me wrong!! :D
I'm not saying I believe her, at all! Gahh, okay, here, let me rephrase my position on this.

If this Raul Meireles thing comes true, as baseless as it is, it's going to make her look legitimate. Right now, she had one main story she was going with, the RPB "scandal." Now, she (he?) is playing with another story. If one comes true, the natural reaction is for people to being discussing the other story. All I was saying is that this twitter account is branching out and, like in roulette, the more numbers you bet on, the better your chance is of winning.

Personal note: I do not endorse, believe, or give credibility to any tweets done by "Jennifer Benson" but at the same time I cannot say she is wrong entirely because if Raul Meireles somehow signs for this team, she was the first person to break that story. The chance of her being right is probably really low, but crazier things have happened to this team.

Furtado91
04-23-2012, 11:10 AM
Kristan Jack just posted 2 tweets:

1. He spoke to JDG's agent and there was no meeting with MLSE ( agents never tell the truth )
2. JDG plans to play out the season at TFC no matter how much playing time he gets ( of course he will - dollar bills yo! $$$ )

and he says he wants to help the team and such. if he wants to help the team he must realize we don't need him and his big contract and he leave before its too late. but of course even if you dont get played at all, you still will get paid the big bucks.

Even though the Genoa ultras went crazy the other day their statement rang true. IF you are not willing to put forth 100% of the effort every damn game and think you are bigger than the club you do not deserve to wear the jersey. I love seeing Frings and Kocic because they care deeply about the club and always put forth 100% of the effort. other players it seems like they are just there for the ride. just my observation. We should make these players aware that Wearing the red Jersey with the Toronto crest on the front is an honor, as crazy as it sounds.

There are tons of people here who bust their balls working a job they may or may not like to support their families, and whatever little money is left in the entertainment budget is spent watching TFC play or buying a jersey. Thats what I think the players should be aware of, is that Fans are giving 100% of their efforts to be there and cheer them on and want the same 100% on the field. IF we lost, I don't think it would have hurt as much because we would have seen hustle and effort, not these stupid mistakes of giving up possession the majority of the time.


Juts my 2 cents.

TFC Cityboy
04-23-2012, 11:10 AM
You've completely pegged me wrong!! :D
I'm not saying I believe her, at all! Gahh, okay, here, let me rephrase my position on this.

If this Raul Meireles thing comes true, as baseless as it is, it's going to make her look legitimate. Right now, she had one main story she was going with, the RPB "scandal." Now, she (he?) is playing with another story. If one comes true, the natural reaction is for people to being discussing the other story. All I was saying is that this twitter account is branching out and, like in roulette, the more numbers you bet on, the better your chance is of winning.

Personal note: I do not endorse, believe, or give credibility to any tweets done by "Jennifer Benson" but at the same time I cannot say she is wrong entirely because if Raul Meireles somehow signs for this team, she was the first person to break that story. The chance of her being right is probably really low, but crazier things have happened to this team.


I will personally bear my arse in Nathan Philips Square if this happens.

mdc 77
04-23-2012, 11:12 AM
Well I doubt TFC nor MLS is going to fork out the $15 million or so fee to required buy Meireles so best advice would be to go back to ignoring this twitter account.

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 11:16 AM
Anyway, I think it's about time we all stopped paying attention to that account (myself included).
Have we even discussed the fact that Raul Meireles is in no way a DP that we even need? :D

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 11:21 AM
I thought we were speculating on Raul Meireles coming here last week? Again, I just think there is a person reading things and pushing it out there as their own.

I must have missed that D:

Beach_Red
04-23-2012, 11:22 AM
If De Guzman's impending departure comes to pass, we bid fond adieu to the Scarborough Soccer Mafia, Toronto Chapter. They tried to commandeer the bridge of the good ship TFC, but brighter minds than theirs said No and Farewell to Adrian Serioux, Dwayne De Rosario and Julian De Guzman.

Honestly, when they all first came on board, didn't you like the direction we were heading in? That direction quickly turned south and sour with each and every one of them.

Add in Nana Attakora's situation, Jim Brennan's fluctuating role and Adrian Cann's distress at his contract situation and it's clear that this club has a hard time signing and coping with Toronto area players who have developed elsewhere. Maybe we'll have better luck with academy grads. The key would seem to be not to develop young egomaniacs who think they have a birthright to put this club over a barrel.

The club over a barrel? Could MLS contracts be any more wieghted in favour of ownership?

It's possible what we saw here was a battle for control and players will always lose in that case, no matter where they're from.

Yes, I liked the way it was headed but I'm reluctant to blame all the players for the way it went. It is entirely possible that TFC is a poorly run, dysfunctional company filled with behind-the-scenes power struggles between the many people in vaguely identified positions of VP and assistant GM and GM and Manager and Business Affairs and Technical Director and on and on. It certainly wouldn't be the first company with infighting among senior management that affected employees further down the food chain.


If part of an academy is to produce toadying yes-men who agree with everything their can't-win-in-any-sport bosses have to say how can that be a good thing?

__wowza
04-23-2012, 11:29 AM
in other news (xpost from the todays new thread)..
Said a defiant de Guzman: I stand behind my players in what they're capable of doing.

it's funny that one of our least capable players wants to stick up for how capable the team is. i use capable loosely here, because i feel JDG is more than capable, he just doesn't want to fucking work. this is evident by winter's choice to start both dunfield AND stinson above him. when winter did the post match, and an interviewer mentioned that we had a DP on the bench part of wanted to hear him respond with "he wasn't working to his potential, he hasn't been for awhile, so we sat his ass until he can get his shit together".

he'd never do it, he dodged the question, but i honestly don't see JDG doing any better than either of those guys. the only difference is, stinson/dunfield are paid less than JDG, and perform at the same level as him (stinson's still developing so he gets a break), so what's the point?

Beach_Red
04-23-2012, 11:37 AM
^ But that's how team sports work, you support your players. Players support other players and publicly, at least, coaches support their players. They don't bring 'who makes more' into the locker room or onto the field and they don't lay blame.

Except, of course, this coach complains about his players after every game and really offers no support at all. It's clear that any success he has had since he's been here has come from players like Frings ignoring him.

BayernTFC
04-23-2012, 11:48 AM
Which is exactly why so much focus has turned to the academy. It is the most viable way to get a team of players who are capable of playing the system in this league.
Doneil Henry and Ashtone Morgan looked quite comfortable playing beside each other in the 2nd half against Chivas. Winter confuses me with his choices at times, but subbing Henry on with the strength of the wind behind TFC and with Chivas unlikely to press the attack against TFC was a good move. It gave Henry the opportunity to earn some minutes and he handled the task. I thought Morgan looked like he was given a boost and that both Henry and Morgan appeared to really enjoy playing together. I try not to read to much into it because the opposition was Chivas, and Winter was trying to place the two young guys in a situation where they could succeed. To me, it was a subtle sign of some progress and a hint at the potential the academy can bring.

Jack
04-23-2012, 12:05 PM
I will personally bear my arse in Nathan Philips Square if this happens.
oh great...more Assholes at city hall.

ComedyOfErrors
04-23-2012, 12:18 PM
If this is actually true, I think the sudden impetus for the meeting is a result of the comments JDG made in the post game interview on Saturday...see Kelly's article in today's news section. ML$E is clearly siding with Winter.
Basically JDG called out the coach's tactics and refers to 'his' players as if he is the true leader. Very uncharacteristic of his time here where he has shown very little 'visible' leadership. Ironically, his comments on the tactics may be accurate particularly in his understanding that if you leave the midfield spread too far apart, the counter attack on 3 defenders is going to lead to many opposing scoring opportunities. Too little too late? Or perhaps manipulating a buyout in order to leave town early?

kuku
04-23-2012, 12:34 PM
Damn

Hitcho
04-23-2012, 12:45 PM
There's a little bit more to this story than just that but....
there is something there.


Then post it.




Can't talk about it too much :(



So what are you saying? That there may be a little more to something but you're not able to say what it is, how you know it or even give an indication of what it relates to? Why even mention it then?

VoxPopuliCosmicum
04-23-2012, 01:01 PM
So what are you saying? That there may be a little more to something but you're not able to say what it is, how you know it or even give an indication of what it relates to? Why even mention it then?

Seriously. Armen, you can't purport to be an aspiring journalist and then be surprised that people expect journalistic behaviour. Yes, it's unfair that the rest of us get to be unaccountable trolls, but with great power comes great responsibility...

Stouffville_RPB
04-23-2012, 01:18 PM
with great power comes great responsibility...

The most overused adage of the 21st century.

Stryker
04-23-2012, 01:34 PM
Is he gone yet?

Pookie
04-23-2012, 01:55 PM
Kristian Jack tweeted that the agent and team haven't met and that JDG told him he has no plans to leave the team, despite playing time.

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 02:05 PM
That little locker room spat was made to sound like they exploded on each other but it wasn't as over the top as it was made to sound. The story has been exaggerated. Julian de Guzman said something about needing to step up; when that happened, Luis Silva told de Guzman he wasn't exempt from stepping up either. Just words exchanged.

There wasn't a locker room verbal brawl the way the original post made it sound like there was.

Because I wasn't physically there, I didnt want to talk about it.
Really, it's my sources vs his - thus my hesitancy.

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 02:07 PM
I'm just going to add this one thing; the players aren't fighting between each other. There aren't players actively avoiding one another, or getting mad at each other.
They also seem like they believe in Aron Winter, still. This talk of fighting between players or with their coaches has, as ever, been blown up. The locker room was dejected, but they didn't seem angry at each other.

Again, that's what I saw. Maybe away from the media they are at each other's throats.

ensco
04-23-2012, 02:11 PM
I'm just going to add this one thing; the players aren't fighting between each other. There aren't players actively avoiding one another, or getting mad at each other.
They also seem like they believe in Aron Winter, still. This talk of fighting between players or with their coaches has, as ever, been blown up. The locker room was dejected, but they didn't seem angry at each other.

Again, that's what I saw. Maybe away from the media they are at each other's throats.

In your opinion, are they acting like guys who are fighting for each other, or is it more a case of, after the game, it's 18 guys taking 18 cabs.

mdc 77
04-23-2012, 02:17 PM
Of all the issues with this club I don't think team unity among the players is an issue. I think it was Dunfield for one who recently said this was one of the tightest groups he has ever played on. Now that doesn't mean they haven't tuned out the coach but even if they haven't tuned out Winter does it matter? If you are listening to flawed tactics does it matter if you believe in them.

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 02:17 PM
In your opinion, are they acting like guys who are fighting for each other, or is it more a case of, after the game, it's 18 guys taking 18 cabs.

LOL I would have no way of knowing that :D
What I saw was a group of players still talking to each other, Johnson giving the academy kids words of encouragement, Eckersley patting shoulders, and Ty Harden (!) being a leader in that room, telling the guys they have to keep fighting.

No one snapped back at Harden, or Johnson. Everyone was upset, obviously, but they're upset at losing - as bad as it sounds, it is a lot of bad luck on TFC's end

Brooker
04-23-2012, 02:47 PM
So basically every single thing in this thread is a whole lot of nothing....

Detroit_TFC
04-23-2012, 02:53 PM
^ another day in the life of a supporter's message board.

__wowza
04-23-2012, 03:09 PM
So basically every single thing in this thread is a whole lot of nothing....


^ another day in the life of a supporter's message board.

we wouldn't be sports fans living in toronto if this wasn't the case.
so apparently the rumours are all for naught, unless anyone has any breaking developments let's just put this issue to bed.

OgtheDim
04-23-2012, 03:09 PM
Reading this thread has been like watching TFC play...............lots of hope, disappointment, a bit of criticism for style and in the end no result.

Stryker
04-23-2012, 03:14 PM
Reading this thread has been like watching TFC play...............lots of hope, disappointment, a bit of criticism for style and in the end no result.

Well said.

ginkster88
04-23-2012, 03:17 PM
Well said.

Sounds a bit more like my sex life, but at least TFC are getting action at least once a week.

Roogsy
04-23-2012, 04:16 PM
Sounds a bit more like my sex life, but at least TFC are getting action at least once a week.

You're bending over and taking it up the pipes once a week too?

I certainly hope not. :lol:

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 05:04 PM
So a guy fishes a rumour from our boards, puts up another unsubstantiated rumour and that justifies several completely false statements? Armen, you're reaching pretty hard here...

An anonymous source quoting an anonymous source making statements without proof. You've been to journalism school, Armen... :picard:

Whats funny though Jack, and you should know this with your professional background.

Regardless of those tweets, if this board isnt visited by social media shills and survey-takers pretending to be fans, then I'm Dixie Dean.

Social Media is the marketing story of the century, its the most disruptive advertising model in history and every single corporation out there is frantically employing whichever Dick claims to be a 'social media expert' to go out there and fill the internet with positive shit about them.

Jack
04-23-2012, 05:14 PM
Whats funny though Jack, and you should know this with your professional background.

Regardless of those tweets, if this board isnt visited by social media shills and survey-takers pretending to be fans, then I'm Dixie Dean.

Social Media is the marketing story of the century, its the most disruptive advertising model in history and every single corporation out there is frantically employing whichever Dick claims to be a 'social media expert' to go out there and fill the internet with positive shit about them.

Of course they are and I believe there are probably a couple of interns assigned to handle that duty on our boards.

I've been to numerous conferences and heard dozens of "experts", but in the end, honest communication and being "real" (as much as you can be online) are the most successful stories. Plants, shills and deceptive posters are inevitably exposed over time. Take, for example, the recent spam by Samsung's agency, Cheil Canada, on our message board. This guy is getting paid big money as their Social Media person and the best he can come up with is to sign up for message boards and post spam. The other thing about shilling on our boards is, most of the more prominent posters are seen and known around the stadium and the pub, so people know they're not plants. How many of the positive people on here do you honestly think are MLSE plants? I've met most of them and, unless they're really good at undercover work, I don't think they are.

The real success comes from using social media for communication, not for interruption and advertising. Too many corporations just don't get that, which is why so many are so terrible at it. They want to control the message and the medium.

ginkster88
04-23-2012, 05:46 PM
You're bending over and taking it up the pipes once a week too?

I certainly hope not. :lol:

Naw, my dick's just drier than prohibition.

Abou Sky
04-23-2012, 05:51 PM
You're bending over and taking it up the pipes once a week too?

I certainly hope not. :lol:

Hey man, WTF? He can take it wherever he wants as long as everyone involved are consenting adults.

OgtheDim
04-23-2012, 06:06 PM
The real success comes from using social media for communication, not for interruption and advertising. Too many corporations just don't get that, which is why so many are so terrible at it. They want to control the message and the medium.



True.

Which is why I'm annoyed they've moved to a twitter feed during the match from the blog post. Twitter isn't conversation between people and or organizations, its one way, and normally snide opinion to prove how smart you are.......or retweets proving post-mo can also be a sad truth.

greatwhitenorf
04-23-2012, 08:08 PM
So basically every single thing in this thread is a whole lot of nothing....

Yeah, even Kristian Jack's credibility drops down the garbage chute since he's a Villa fan. And their once compelling blog is absolute wet kitty litter now.

Shakes McQueen
04-23-2012, 08:18 PM
Whats funny though Jack, and you should know this with your professional background.

Regardless of those tweets, if this board isnt visited by social media shills and survey-takers pretending to be fans, then I'm Dixie Dean.

Social Media is the marketing story of the century, its the most disruptive advertising model in history and every single corporation out there is frantically employing whichever Dick claims to be a 'social media expert' to go out there and fill the internet with positive shit about them.

But all of this is a completely different animal to what is being asserted about the group by people like "wordonbaystreet". I have no doubt that MLSE have a few marketing shills lurking the boards as registered users, and maybe even one or two that currently post, pretending to be fans. The group can't do anything about this, beyond take action on their accounts when they reveal themselves (which has been done more than once in the past), and try to do market research or astroturfing disguised as a regular user.

That's far different than asserting MLSE are actually giving paid members, and executives, kickbacks for spreading the good word about the team. It's libelous, and completely without merit, beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

- Scott

boban
04-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Danny k is approaching dud status. I hope I am proven wrong tho.

:facepalm:

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 08:36 PM
But all of this is a completely different animal to what is being asserted about the group by people like "wordonbaystreet". I have no doubt that MLSE have a few marketing shills lurking the boards as registered users, and maybe even one or two that currently post, pretending to be fans. The group can't do anything about this, beyond take action on their accounts when they reveal themselves (which has been done more than once in the past), and try to do market research or astroturfing disguised as a regular user.

That's far different than asserting MLSE are actually giving paid members, and executives, kickbacks for spreading the good word about the team. It's libelous, and completely without merit, beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

- Scott

You're a really smart guy, Scott and you are probably correct here.

But if some posters on here aren't paid shills they are missing out on a big paycheque in my estimation. hahahaha

ArmenJBX
04-23-2012, 08:37 PM
Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job.
Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.

narduch
04-23-2012, 08:43 PM
The Conservative Party of Canada takes part in that practice of hiring people to post in the comment sections of newspaper and opinion sites.

Not sure if that is really happening here.

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job.
Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.

Im starting to like you, hahaha

The job you describe would have a higher suicide rate than air traffic controlling. Seriously.

denime
04-23-2012, 08:45 PM
The Conservative Party of Canada takes part in that practice of hiring people to post in the comment sections of newspaper and opinion sites.

Not sure if that is really happening here.

Please,keep politics out on this.
Thanks

narduch
04-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Please,keep politics out on this.
Thanks

I was just trying to make a point, that the practice that Exiled Red is talking about does exist.

ensco
04-23-2012, 09:05 PM
^This stuff is hard to prove but very serious. I am personally aware of a major corporate campaign on tripadvisor to influence ratings there. Huge numbers of people involved, all done through VPN tunnels so you can't trace the IP addresses, very elaborate stuff. That is the reality of the world we live in.

I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.

But I'm not sure it matters. I know who the opinion leaders here are, and none of them are prone to towing the MLSE line. Same for the mods (and I have questions about a couple, but not when it comes to their essentially loyalty). This is in pretty sharp contrast to some of the Leaf sites, where there are a number of people with 20,000 posts who will rip your head off if you dare suggest there was/is a problem with Richard Peddie or Tom Anselmi.

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 09:35 PM
I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.



thankyou my friend, Ive had a number of critical posts cherry picked from their comments sections on their site, and not one of them is abusive in any way. I guess they control their own site, but how do you control sites like this? Is it productive to do so? Does MLSE consider the media's constant use of this site to gauge fan perception a threat to their brand? Oh you bet your arse they do.

I like to think Im a little net savvy myself, having run my own web company for the last two and a half years, Ive met more people calling themselves 'social media consultants' and SEO specialists than I'd like to and I absolutely know that damage control and deflection on internet forums is common practise.

(Saying that I agree with your assertation and am in no way trying to start a witchhunt. I believe constant hammering of truth will prevail over shilling nine times out of ten anyway.)

Pookie
04-23-2012, 09:39 PM
... beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

- Scott

Positivity on a Supporters website suspicious? Sounds like a really curious culture some are trying to create

Abou Sky
04-23-2012, 09:56 PM
But all of this is a completely different animal to what is being asserted about the group by people like "wordonbaystreet". I have no doubt that MLSE have a few marketing shills lurking the boards as registered users, and maybe even one or two that currently post, pretending to be fans. The group can't do anything about this, beyond take action on their accounts when they reveal themselves (which has been done more than once in the past), and try to do market research or astroturfing disguised as a regular user.

That's far different than asserting MLSE are actually giving paid members, and executives, kickbacks for spreading the good word about the team. It's libelous, and completely without merit, beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

- Scott

I try to throw some positivity into the board, hell, someone has to.

I was even (I assume jokingly) called a shill :-)

I guess I could be a double agent, working for MLSE and for Rogers/Bell, making it so that if they want to fire the entire FO they can point to the RPB forum and say 'see, some guy named sky says you suck, you're fired'

Or maybe... This is all an elaborate plot by North Korea to keep us so occupied with the teams performance we dont notice the ICBM's being installed under BMO field...

Abou Sky
04-23-2012, 09:58 PM
Oh, the reason I keep checking this thread is in hopes it is true... Not yet eh?

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 10:15 PM
I try to throw some positivity into the board, hell, someone has to.

I was even (I assume jokingly) called a shill :-)

I guess I could be a double agent, working for MLSE and for Rogers/Bell, making it so that if they want to fire the entire FO they can point to the RPB forum and say 'see, some guy named sky says you suck, you're fired'

Or maybe... This is all an elaborate plot by North Korea to keep us so occupied with the teams performance we dont notice the ICBM's being installed under BMO field...

Just to clarify, the motive isnt to sneak around the forumgathering your phone numbers, its to distort the media perception of fanbase opinion, or render the collective opinion neutral by splitting it into two equal halves, and then adding irrelevance to further obfuscate which opinion is predominant.

A divided fanbase is much more acceptable than one united against the ownership and that is all i will say on this tonight.

Abou Sky
04-23-2012, 10:23 PM
^ So you are going to help with the Anselmi Out TIFO?

ExiledRed
04-23-2012, 11:48 PM
^ So you are going to help with the Anselmi Out TIFO?

No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

Im sure the tifo will look great though.

greatwhitenorf
04-24-2012, 12:46 AM
No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

Im sure the tifo will look great though.

I hope you're not with MRX. They're in Guelph and their sites I deal with have all the reliability and operational dexterity of the Bulgarian space program.

Abou Sky
04-24-2012, 06:17 AM
No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

Im sure the tifo will look great though.

Too bad you're in Guelph, we could have the kids play while we drink beer and make a TIFO

__wowza
04-24-2012, 07:57 AM
Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job. Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.

i forget who wrote it, but i distinctly remember reading something along the lines of "oh yeah, we've really done a great job on controlling fan dischord thus far. none of us are pissed off at all!!" i just get the feeling that this job would be paramount to that episode of the simpsons where bart dreams he's in the electric chair for principal skinners alleged murder:

Bart: Reverend Lovejoy? Have you come to give me my condolences?
Reverend Lovejoy: As a matter of tradition more than anything.
Reverend Lovejoy pats Bart's shoulder -heartedly.
Reverend Lovejoy{wooden}: There, there. There, there.



Oh, the reason I keep checking this thread is in hopes it is true... Not yet eh?

hahahaha. this!

scrotzy
04-24-2012, 08:42 AM
^This stuff is hard to prove but very serious. I am personally aware of a major corporate campaign on tripadvisor to influence ratings there. Huge numbers of people involved, all done through VPN tunnels so you can't trace the IP addresses, very elaborate stuff. That is the reality of the world we live in.

I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.

But I'm not sure it matters. I know who the opinion leaders here are, and none of them are prone to towing the MLSE line. Same for the mods (and I have questions about a couple, but not when it comes to their essentially loyalty). This is in pretty sharp contrast to some of the Leaf sites, where there are a number of people with 20,000 posts who will rip your head off if you dare suggest there was/is a problem with Richard Peddie or Tom Anselmi.

I never usually comment but this is 100% true. My buddie does it for major corporations including hotel chains and anything else that has major review sites. Never believe anything you read on the internet my friends.

OgtheDim
04-24-2012, 09:22 AM
The conversation is going to get very existential if aren't careful.


There's an anti-Anselmi tifo in there somewhere...............

Nuvinho
04-24-2012, 10:43 AM
John Molinaro on twitter says no idea where the JDG rumours started - he is here forever!!! (I added the last part ;) )

Waggy
04-24-2012, 11:07 AM
TBH I stopped believing any and all Toronto FC rumors and counter rumors a few weeks ago. When you live in a city with 4 daily national papers, 3 all sports tv stations, 2 all sports radio stations and a magazine, plus literally thousands of sports blogs (some very very good). People need things to write about that are interesting/controversial enough to get hits. People see TFCs carcass and pick at it. Start a "JDG is leaving!" rumor, get 2-3 days of stories on him leaving, then get a day or 2 of reaction from the management and the player, then get another day or 2 of opinion pieces of why JDG should or shouldn't leave or bashing ownership for signing him in the first place/not moving him. More than a weeks worth of stories, off of a single tweet or quote taken out of context or even complete fabrication. A weeks worth of stories that not just TFC fans can relate to, but fans of the Leafs and Raptors too. It's an easy 'attack MLSE!' angle done in a safe way (MLSE won't take nearly as much note of it as it would a similar slamming of them from the Leafs press) that no-one would get too upset about. A guaranteed seller. All the while we're sitting here with baited breathe waiting for some news to finally hit one way or the other, meanwhile JDG and the club are sitting there like WTF? I find the media covering TFC at this point to be more insufferable than the club itself AND the message board combined. Then again maybe I'm just cynical.

flatpicker
04-24-2012, 11:09 AM
I'm ok with MLSE planting people on here. Just as long as they buy my spare tix in Ticket Forum. Too much to ask?