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denime
02-02-2012, 06:34 AM
Mornin`




TFC TV (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp)



Winter "Very Satisfied" With Defence (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/02/winter-very-satisfied-defence)


This is Toronto FC's make-or-break season (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/01/this-is-toronto-fcs-make-or-break-season)


Aceval the final piece of Toronto's defensive puzzle (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/01/aceval-final-piece-torontos-defensive-puzzle)





TFC related blogs ! (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=29582)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl)


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Stouffville_RPB
02-02-2012, 07:41 AM
Morning D!

Technorgasm
02-02-2012, 08:03 AM
this is not make or break by any means. .
maybe for the staff of TFC. . . but not for the organization or the supporters.
we wil both be he4re, no matter how poorly the team performs.

MLSE may take a hit in profits if the team is complete shit and sales drop but.
do any of us REAL supporters actually care if MLSE makes $1B instead of $2B?
not a wink of sleep will be lost on THAT one.

Score in every home game and give 100%.
thats all I ask. the rest is a bonus.

scooter
02-02-2012, 08:12 AM
mornin d

this year is shaping up to be a cracker

Gazza
02-02-2012, 08:31 AM
How many "make-or-break" seasons has it been for us now?

Oldtimer
02-02-2012, 08:44 AM
How many "make-or-break" seasons has it been for us now?

I think it's about the third.

Seasons 3 and 4 were supposedly "make or break" for Mo's "five year plan." :facepalm: (Mo should have been fired after the failure of season 3).

Winter got a free pass last year.

This year is now again a "make or break season."

If Winter & Co. get TFC into the playoffs, I think most people will be satisfied that progress is being made. If not... expect another ugly series of "town hall meetings" and a further drop in SSH sales.

__wowza
02-02-2012, 08:45 AM
How many "make-or-break" seasons has it been for us now?

what he said. i think this is the season of cautious optimism.
we hope for the best, but not as gung-ho "we're definitely going to make the playoffs" as before. at this point we're walking by faith, not by sight.

last seasons changes could've been aided completely by a competent backline, had our entire list of center backs not gone down with season ending injuries we would've had a HUGE mid-season surge.

also: mornin d!

keem-o-sabi
02-02-2012, 08:51 AM
co-ed Girl (http://coedmagazine.com/2012/01/12/edita-vilkeviciute-victorias-secret-lais-ribeiro-next-swimwear-pictures/edita-vilkeviciute-victorias-secret-1/#1)

Canary10
02-02-2012, 09:27 AM
I actually don't care about the playoffs personally. The MLS playoff system is stupid. What I care about is going to games and seeing consistent, quality and fluid play from TFC and winning games at home. With our fans, BMO should always be the hardest place in the league to scrape out a point for a visiting team. I'd also really like to see the 4-3-3 overun some teams, which I think it can if Winter can really get it going. I'm sick of hearing that technichal football can't win in MLS. I also want to see us in a position on the table where we we are challenging. I don't want to see us in 17th place by week 5 and never move the rest of the year. Of course if we do all this the playoffs will follow.

Red I
02-02-2012, 10:38 AM
what he said. i think this is the season of cautious optimism.
we hope for the best, but not as gung-ho "we're definitely going to make the playoffs" as before. at this point we're walking by faith, not by sight.

last seasons changes could've been aided completely by a competent backline, had our entire list of center backs not gone down with season ending injuries we would've had a HUGE mid-season surge.

also: mornin d!

I remember when Thierry Henry scored a heartbreaker of a tying goal late in the season ... In Post-Game interviews, he's on record saying the improved Toronto FC team would be in the playoffs if they had that team the whole year, and played the same throughout ... and that was WITHOUT Cann and Williams on the back line.

If ever there was a comment that gave me hope, that was it. Add to that CB's that can play comfortably with the ball at their feet right from the get-go, and can distribute from the back, i gotta say, pessimism aside, this team has the ability to go far, but i'll reserve judgement on a finished product after March 7. This pre-season needs standout players to erase the question marks on central defence, the #10, and who will start with Plata on the wings

Whoop
02-02-2012, 10:42 AM
From http://blogs.canoe.ca/reds/

Includes more on the Le Toux situation, Novak's take.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/01/31/why-union-let-go-all-stars-mondragon-le-toux

ArmenJBX
02-02-2012, 11:10 AM
Toronto FC have signed Luis Silva and Aaron Maund to full contracts

CSO_BBTB
02-02-2012, 11:51 AM
Seasons 3 and 4 were supposedly "make or break" for Mo's "five year plan." :facepalm: (Mo should have been fired after the failure of season 3).

Personally think two years was enough. Mo should have been shown the door when he started using fieldturf as an excuse towards the end of season two and given it was already abundantly clear that Carver was like a fish out of water in an MLS context the coach should have joined him. All the allocation money and draft picks that were available at that point could have then been used by the new regime to do a relatively quick revamp. That was a missed opportunity that set things back in a big way.

Now with Winter it's really a case of whether he is the best guy to keep the Ajax thing going. He has the players he wants now for the most part (JDG might be an obvious exception but could have been bought out of his contract if it were seen as a huge issue) so if he is the man to take things forward playoff qualification is a reasonable minimum expectation and there would need to be some very obvious and universally accepted extenuating circumstances for him to survive a failure not to make it.

Whoop
02-02-2012, 12:03 PM
^^
That's a good point.

It appears that the "Ajax model" is worth keeping and striving towards but this is the year we'll find out if Winter is the man to carry it out.

__wowza
02-02-2012, 12:10 PM
^^
That's a good point.

It appears that the "Ajax model" is worth keeping and striving towards but this is the year we'll find out if Winter is the man to carry it out.

winter and co have already expressed a willingness to stay with the club after their contracts expire. i think it really says something about the culture we're building here, especially when we have players and management talking about how committed they are to the club when they don't have to. winter was on year one of a 3 year contract. ecks went on record of saying he'd like to stay. the majority of our south american imports have stated the club has a great feel to it.

Whoop
02-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Hopefully we'll see results on the pitch though.

__wowza
02-02-2012, 12:20 PM
Hopefully we'll see results on the pitch though.

we saw results after a season, while the management team was handcuffed with roster slots from an incompetent coach in a league they'd never played in. again, cautious optimism.

spark
02-02-2012, 12:41 PM
I think it's about the third.

Seasons 3 and 4 were supposedly "make or break" for Mo's "five year plan." :facepalm: (Mo should have been fired after the failure of season 3).

Winter got a free pass last year.

This year is now again a "make or break season."

If Winter & Co. get TFC into the playoffs, I think most people will be satisfied that progress is being made. If not... expect another ugly series of "town hall meetings" and a further drop in SSH sales.

Yeah I agree with this. It's not about the people here or on any other forum - it's the 15K who are neither here nor there that after another campaign failure will be near impossible to swing back into favour (IMO) - that's why I think this season is the most critical - if it doesn't go well I think a significant portion of the potential supporter/fan base will be really difficult to win back, especially in the short/mid term.

mastermixer
02-02-2012, 12:48 PM
Interesting tidbit from Paul Bierne...

https://twitter.com/#!/Paulbeirne/status/165121104288030720

@Paulbeirne
On Feb 8 TFC season tickets will go on sale to the public for the first time since 2007

TFC 6: New Blood :scarf:

Just keep them away from the scalpers!!

Oldtimer
02-02-2012, 01:03 PM
^ Means the waiting list is now zero. Probably just the more expensive tickets, though.

dantdot
02-02-2012, 01:21 PM
So what's with the lack of TFC TV coverage? Virtually no footage of practice or scrums. I'm dying here.

Hitcho
02-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Interesting tidbit from Paul Bierne...

https://twitter.com/#!/Paulbeirne/status/165121104288030720 (https://twitter.com/#%21/Paulbeirne/status/165121104288030720)


TFC 6: New Blood :scarf:

Just keep them away from the scalpers!!


^ Means the waiting list is now zero. Probably just the more expensive tickets, though.

Agreed - will only be dark grey type seats I expect, so hopefully scalpers won't want these because too hard to shift, but also shows that the mythical 30,000 strong waiting list has been worked through and seats are coming out the other end. Surprised FO let this slip - they just lost a mental stick to beat SSH with come renewal time when prices go up again.

Oldtimer
02-02-2012, 01:34 PM
^ The problem is prices are too high. The experience at the Rogers Centre (special game aside) shows that if you price it right, they'll come.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 01:52 PM
The MLS website has TFC ranked 16th and actually lower than where we finished last year. Good, because I think some people are going to get a big shock.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...preseason-poll (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/02/power-rankings-galaxy-still-tops-first-preseason-poll)

Wooster_TFC
02-02-2012, 01:53 PM
^ Means the waiting list is now zero. Probably just the more expensive tickets, though.

Incorrect.

They made it "even worse". My wife is on the waiting list, and in order to get season tickets, we would have had to buy the most expensive, and then move "if seats were available" at the season seat swap thing. We took a pass just because it was too expensive for us this time around.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 01:57 PM
^ That's because there are no cheap seats available.

Pigfynn
02-02-2012, 02:01 PM
The MLS website has TFC ranked 16th and actually lower than where we finished last year. Good, because I think some people are going to get a big shock.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...preseason-poll (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/02/power-rankings-galaxy-still-tops-first-preseason-poll)


That's ridiculous, 16th?!?

There is no way.

I don't think we will finish lower than 7th.

Just my opinion.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 02:01 PM
Put those rankings on the locker room wall.

Wooster_TFC
02-02-2012, 02:04 PM
^ That's because there are no cheap seats available.

Incorrect again. They wouldn't even sell us the North End seats. When I say expensive I mean the top 2 tiers, not just that there were no uber cheap supporters section tickets left.

We know that the North End was available, and likely could have gotten it in the seat swap, but why pay the extra now, risk not being able to make it to Toronto for the swap, and getting stuck with the seats we didn't want?

Wooster_TFC
02-02-2012, 02:07 PM
Put those rankings on the locker room wall.

lol yeah, I like how Nathan Sturgis is a "key loss" when Caicedo isn't mentioned as a "key addition". What a joke.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 02:11 PM
Incorrect again. They wouldn't even sell us the North End seats. When I say expensive I mean the top 2 tiers, not just that there were no uber cheap supporters section tickets left.

We know that the North End was available, and likely could have gotten it in the seat swap, but why pay the extra now, risk not being able to make it to Toronto for the swap, and getting stuck with the seats we didn't want?

According to the stadium map Paul Beirne sent out there are only top tier seats and the north end left. If you can't get north end you should be really complaining. But they are the only cheap seats left.

Red I
02-02-2012, 02:23 PM
The MLS website has TFC ranked 16th and actually lower than where we finished last year. Good, because I think some people are going to get a big shock.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...preseason-poll (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/02/power-rankings-galaxy-still-tops-first-preseason-poll)



Key Loss: Nathan Sturgis (M)


Uhhh ....

:facepalm:

Canary10
02-02-2012, 02:26 PM
I'd be more apt to list Javier Martina as a key loss.

Dreadlocks
02-02-2012, 02:29 PM
Shouldn't a "key loss" be a player that actually got on the field?:facepalm:

Oldtimer
02-02-2012, 02:32 PM
About the Power Rankings:


He who laughs last, laughs best

Cliché: He who laughs last, laughs best Explanation: 1. Describes a feeling of satisfaction that occurs when others realize that you have won or succeeded after thinking that they had defeated you or that you had failed.
http://www.clichesite.com/content.asp?which=tip+2019

Suds
02-02-2012, 02:38 PM
Rankings are useless until they know what each team's roster will be when the season starts. Lots of teams could sign players, lose them to injury, etc. Basically what this first ranking says is - We have no accurate information from which to base this prediction on but we're going to make one anyway.

Sounds like some business presentations I've been made to suffer through over the years. :D

ArmenJBX
02-02-2012, 02:53 PM
LOL wow, 16 overall. Ridiculous.

mastermixer
02-02-2012, 03:01 PM
That's ok... let the league think we suck.

Although I agree the age of the two players we will rely on the most is slightly worrisome.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 03:01 PM
You know what would send a strong message? Beat LA like we did Dallas.

Blizzard
02-02-2012, 03:08 PM
So what's with the lack of TFC TV coverage? Virtually no footage of practice or scrums. I'm dying here.

I was wondering about that myself. Turns out their video guy moved on near the end of last season and hasn't been replaced yet.

Red I
02-02-2012, 03:11 PM
Although I agree the age of the two players we will rely on the most is slightly worrisome.

You mean the guy with the incredible strike rate, and last year's team MVP? I hear you man, that is worrisome!!

All kidding aside, the bench is going to get alot of chances to play to give those guys rest, so lets see if TFC has the depth Winter thinks they have

dantdot
02-02-2012, 03:22 PM
I was wondering about that myself. Turns out their video guy moved on near the end of last season and hasn't been replaced yet.

Speaking of which, a few new interviews just appeared.

Whoop
02-02-2012, 03:29 PM
Speaking of which, a few new interviews just appeared.

I remember when we'd watch videos just to get a glimpse of the trialists and try to figure out who they were. :lol:

Dunkers
02-02-2012, 03:32 PM
The MLS website has TFC ranked 16th and actually lower than where we finished last year. Good, because I think some people are going to get a big shock.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...preseason-poll (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/02/power-rankings-galaxy-still-tops-first-preseason-poll)


uggg...this is why I cant read the dribble on the MLS website. The formula for thier ranking is add a forward move up the ranking.

This seems more like media hype then actual intelligent thought.
Portland and Vancity gave up the most goals in the west, and have made no improvements on the back line, somehow they move up the rankings.

rocker
02-02-2012, 03:51 PM
The league standings are my power ranking.

Roogsy
02-02-2012, 04:17 PM
The league standings are my power ranking.


For the most part, some of the published power rankings faired pretty well against the final league standings. Just sayin'...

TFC/Everton
02-02-2012, 04:18 PM
We'll just have to prove them all wrong.

brad
02-02-2012, 04:22 PM
That's ridiculous, 16th?!?

There is no way.

I don't think we will finish lower than 7th.

Just my opinion.

Article is pretty bad in my opinion. They rate Sturgis, who was a bit part player for us at best as a key loss? Andrés Mendoza a key loss for Columbus? He was crap.

Oldtimer
02-02-2012, 04:24 PM
The league standings are my power ranking.

Where is that applause smiley? Oh, here it is:


:hurray:

The only ranking that counts.


For the most part, some of the published power rankings faired pretty well against the final league standings. Just sayin'...

You mean like the one that had TFC 4th in 2009, early in the season? :D

Auzzy
02-02-2012, 04:29 PM
I think the MLS ranking is bang on. TFC sux. All the teams in the league should remember that, and rest their best players when playing TFC. Especially on March 7th. Wouldn't want to risk injury to your best players, when facing obvious league bottom feeders like TFC.

brad
02-02-2012, 04:30 PM
That's ok... let the league think we suck.

Although I agree the age of the two players we will rely on the most is slightly worrisome.

True, but another knock on their analysis is that they say that about us, but don't mention it about another player at DC that happens to be a few months older than Koevs.

Canary10
02-02-2012, 04:32 PM
Although DC also dropped in their rankings.

TFCwestcan
02-02-2012, 06:25 PM
The MLS website has TFC ranked 16th and actually lower than where we finished last year. Good, because I think some people are going to get a big shock.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...preseason-poll (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/02/power-rankings-galaxy-still-tops-first-preseason-poll)

When your key loss is Nathan Sturgis and your key additions are Reggie Lambe (M), Luis Silva (M), Miguel Aceval (D), Geovanny Caicedo (D) 16th place does not seem right. Oh well, we can enjoy the underdog status as we move up the table. I guess these pundits may have ranked TFC higher last year to be burned and thus they are being safe.

Noticed on the commentary at the bottom even non-TFC fans seem to rate TFC higher. I love a underdog no victory is sweeter, see dallas CCl match as prime example, let's hope it continues with LA...

ManUtd4ever
02-02-2012, 07:14 PM
Winter should post the absurd MLS rankings in the TFC locker room as a motivational tool for the players.

rocker
02-02-2012, 07:48 PM
Honest question: do the newspapers in England write power rankings before the Premier League season starts, and then follow through each week?

West220Side
02-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Not sure if posted somewhere else, doesn't hurt to post here anyways.

http://www.whitecapsfc.com/news/2012/02/whitecaps-fc-name-stuart-neely-head-player-management-and-advancement

Whitecaps FC name Stuart Neely head of player management and advancement