Today's News,Sunday,Jan.22

[denime]

Mornin`




TFC TV (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp)




Hogges provide a pro path for aspiring youngsters Mariner (http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20120121/SPORT01/701219987/-1)


Beckham-Mania reignited as Galaxy prepare to face TFC (http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-beckhamtickets)


Eckersley set to end Burnley stay (http://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/eckersley_set_to_end_burnley_stay_724050/index.shtml)


Iro & Marosevic Decline Offers (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/01/iro-marosevic-decline-offers)


Canada through to semifinals (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2012/01/22/canada_cuba_report/)


Sources: Eckersley returning to Reds in '12 (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/20/sources-eckersley-returning-to-reds-in-12)


Sinclair leads way as Canada clinches semifinal berth (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/sinclair-leads-way-as-canada-clinches-semifinal-berth/article2310688/)





TFC related blogs ! (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=29582)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl)


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[DOMIN8R]

Iro & Marosevic Decline Offers (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/01/iro-marosevic-decline-offers)

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Interesting comments under this piece/on the TFC site. Including one by Peri's former coach - or so they say. At the end of day - it comes down to $. If these 2 couldn't stomach the offer - then so be it.

[J .]

Im fine with Iro and Peri being gone. Iro got a lot of flack, not a lot of MLS defenders could deal with the fullbacks bombing forward and having to deal with strikers with pace attacking. A lot of his failures had to do with style. That said I dont think he was committed to be honest and short on confidence, coupled with a system not attuned to defending, his time was up.

Peri, was at best, a backup.

[colman1860]

Great news re: Eckersley. Hope to hear about Aceves and Caicedo soon...

[scooter]

mornin d

and yes great news about ecks

[Suds]

Interesting comments under this piece/on the TFC site. Including one by Peri's former coach - or so they say. At the end of day - it comes down to $. If these 2 couldn't stomach the offer - then so be it.

Comes down to what a team views a players worth at and what the player feels he can get. If they do not see eye to eye a player is going to move on and try to sign the best deal he can.

Best of luck to them. I'm not overly disappointed about losing either of them.

[ensco]

The Iro for Tchani deal ..... mgmt don't get the stick they deserve for this. It might be the worst deal in TFC history. Which is saying something.

At least this way we don't have to think about it very often.

[Canary10]

^ Yup, that was an awful trade, no doubt about it.

Would have preferred we got a more powerful confetti launcher. Or a new sprinkler to water the pitch down.

[PopePouri]

The Iro for Tchani deal ..... mgmt don't get the stick they deserve for this. It might be the worst deal in TFC history. Which is saying something.

At least this way we don't have to think about it very often.

Terrible trade but I understand why they did it. They was a need at CB given the injuries and if signing Viator and the Gargan/Robinson trade was any indication, there was an issue getting a solid starting CB during the July transfer window. I think Mariner alluded to the fact that teams weren't ready to give up their top CBs in the middle of the season. I also think anyone thought Iro would be that shite.

[Canary10]

^ Should never have traded Tchani for him. The only reason to trade a young talented player was that someone must have rated him. Could we not have traded a lamp post for him instead?

[ensco]

Terrible trade but I understand why they did it. They was a need at CB given the injuries and if signing Viator and the Gargan/Robinson trade was any indication, there was an issue getting a solid starting CB during the July transfer window. I think Mariner alluded to the fact that teams weren't ready to give up their top CBs in the middle of the season. I also think anyone thought Iro would be that shite.

This was said often at the time and drove me nuts.

We were 600 points out of the playoffs when they made this trade.

Everyone was too busy talking about how great Iro was to discuss the fact that we moved the second overall pick from the previous year, for a guy had been on the reserve team all year.

We did not need to do anything. They could have signed anyone.

I intend to harp on about this endlessly all year, unless we beat the Galaxy. :D

[Ossington Mental Youth]

prob is DeRo wanted to go, it was made public so his price dropped and not everyone wanted him. We needed a CB so we got Iro (who had potential but didnt do well) and Tchani (who was decent but we had alot of players of similar or better capabilities in his position)

[ensco]

Interesting to see who got minutes in the USA-Venezuela friendly yesterday. I am amazed that Zusi started....I don't see what Klinsmann sees in that guy

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7487799

[prizby]

to be perfectly honest, if we had tchani instead of iro, would we be in the CCL QF's?

[ensco]

to be perfectly honest, if we had tchani instead of iro, would we be in the CCL QF's?

Yes imho. It wasn't just league games. Iro got schooled repeatedly in CCL games. There was a Tauro player that went by him 5 times in one game.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Tchani wouldnt have helped the defense tho. What were they to do? play him out of position?

[Canary10]

We were in desperate need of a central defender, no question about that. I think the point is that for what Iro brought, we should have been able to get him, or basically anyone else for that matter, for much less than a promising young player. It was not a good use of a pretty good asset. I can only think Tchani was traded because someone rated Iro as a solid MLS starting central defender, which was misguided.

In fairness to Iro, he played a good game against Dallas, and as others have said, he was thrown into a vulnerable position at a point where the team had yet to gel around the 4-3-3. So he was exposed a lot, making him look worse in a lot of games than he really is in reality. But still, he was never the solution going forward and trading Tchani for him was a waste of a valuable asset.

[ensco]

Tchani wouldnt have helped the defense tho. What were they to do? play him out of position?

Sure. Or Henry or Viator. Or Frings. Or Sturgis. Or some signing from Gualadalupe. Whatever. It couldn't have been any worse.

To be fair: I read in the movement thread that Iro asked for 2x his salary. That is a joke. I respect WinterMariner for showing him the door. It would be easy for them to want to keep Iro just to make the Tchani trade look better. I respect them for not compounding the problem.

[TFC07]

The Iro for Tchani deal ..... mgmt don't get the stick they deserve for this. It might be the worst deal in TFC history. Which is saying something.

At least this way we don't have to think about it very often.

Tchani hasn't proven anything in the league so far. So hard to say this was worst trade in TFC history.

BTW, TFC has plenty of youth. Right now, TFC wants to win! So I understand trading a young player with upside for a CB to fill in a need. I am not upset about this trade and many people down the road would forget about this trade.

[Canary10]

What's done is done. Question is where do we find a central defender who's good on the ball, is comfortable starting the play from the back, and who can play a high line? Not many of them in MLS, and they get picked up by European teams fast (John, Ream for example). It's a real problem for us. Hope one or both of these rumoured signings can do the job.

[SoccMan]

Ok so I hope we go into this CL game on March 7th. with a proper back 4, not a makeshift back four with Frings in the back, that's not why we signed him, we did this in many games last season and look where it got us. We need to get a proper CB now, today not 2 days before the game and then throw a guy in there with no proper training. There is talk of this Chilean player but it has been all talk for over a month now either sign the guy or stop the talking. This team needs someone now that can go through the whole training camp and be ready for March 7th. This team has never had a decent CB since year 1, it's like an NFL team never having a proper QB see how far that will get you. Let's get someone already this is becoming a joke we need a decent CB now not tomorrow!

[Yohan]

Interesting to see who got minutes in the USA-Venezuela friendly yesterday. I am amazed that Zusi started....I don't see what Klinsmann sees in that guy

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7487799
Camp Cupcake gets a lot of fringe players (mostly MLS) gets a look. Graham Zusi had an excellent year. He made Davy Arnaud expendable

[MartinUtd]

Tchani hasn't proven anything in the league so far. So hard to say this was worst trade in TFC history.


Yeah no kidding. I've seen a lot more to be excited about from Matt Stinson and he cost us nothing. Tchani has been put on a pedestal because he was part of the DeRo trade... it needs to be let go already.

[PopePouri]

Yes imho. It wasn't just league games. Iro got schooled repeatedly in CCL games. There was a Tauro player that went by him 5 times in one game.

Let's be fair to Iro, he gained some respect later on and had some decent games.

[starter]

We also do not know what Tchani contract expectation would have been. Too many variables here.
One thing is sure that the trade did not work out well for us.

[JonO]

The Iro for Tchani deal ..... mgmt don't get the stick they deserve for this. It might be the worst deal in TFC history. Which is saying something.

At least this way we don't have to think about it very often.

For me the worst trade is still Dunivant to LA for.... ??? Bag of pucks?

[CSO_BBTB]

This was said often at the time and drove me nuts.

We were 600 points out of the playoffs when they made this trade....

If there hadn't been a marked improvement in the latter half of last season Winter would probably have been ousted as head coach by now to appease the less knowledgeable portion of the fan base who were calling for his head after the struggles at the start of last season and the soccer haters in the media would be writing off the initial interest in TFC as a flash in the pan when season ticket renewals failed to materialize. Odds on we also wouldn't be looking forward to a sold out CCL quarter-final at the Skydome, which is looking like a good way to relaunch the franchise at this point and get the excitement of 2007 back again. I forget the exact chronology of events but if they knew Frings was coming in and JDG was hanging around for 2012 what was Tchani's role going to be in the short to medium term?

[denime]

If there hadn't been a marked improvement in the latter half of last season Odds on we also wouldn't be looking forward to a sold out CCL quarter-final at the Skydome, which is looking like a good way to relaunch the franchise at this point and get the excitement of 2007 back again. I forget the exact chronology of events but if they knew Frings was coming in and JDG was hanging around for 2012 what was Tchani's role going to be in the short to medium term?

QFT 100%

[LesH]

The Iro for Tchani deal ..... mgmt don't get the stick they deserve for this. It might be the worst deal in TFC history. Which is saying something.

At least this way we don't have to think about it very often.

True.
This was an absolutely horrible deal.

I'm happy Iro is gone.
I was not Iro hater, but the guy simply didn't cut it at all for what TFC needs in that position.

Marosevich... Would have been nice if he stayed at TFC, maybe he really had a good potential, but meh, it's not a big loss anyways.

[Yohan]

Tchani > Stinson

It's too bad Tchani's development has been hampered by injuries, but I honestly think he could be MLS's version of Essien... if he could put it together

[ensco]

if they knew Frings was coming in and JDG was hanging around for 2012 what was Tchani's role going to be in the short to medium term?

I was fine with moving Tchani.

But not for a reserve player. His market value was a lot more than Iro, and if value wasn't available that day, they should have waited.

[Yohan]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/soccerblog/work_bulls_marquez_plans_harder_mV0GlVaxOpsKyEFZHq 2WVK

Rafa Marquez interview. He's saying all the right things, but does he really mean it?