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denime
11-30-2011, 06:40 AM
Mornin'



TFC TV (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp)



Toughest Possible Start To 2012 (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/11/toughest-possible-start-2012)


MLS Home Opener Dates Announced (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/11/mls-home-opener-dates-announced)


Rowaan: Toronto FC has good core (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2011/11/29/rowaan_soccer_blog/)


Reds Acquire Defender Jeremy Hall (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/11/reds-acquire-defender-jeremy-hall)


Toronto FC trades for defender Hall (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/11/29/sp-tfc-hall-dallas.html)


MLS announces home openers (http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/29/mls-announces-home-openers)


Stamatopolous' Home Swede Home (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2011/11/29/kenny_stamatopolous/)



Toronto to offload Frei to incorporate Touray (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/535436222?-19896)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl)


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pekduck
11-30-2011, 06:51 AM
morning d.

Hmm.. Touray and Frei speculation doens't make much sense to me....

Wagner
11-30-2011, 06:53 AM
Pa Dembo Touray
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ensco
11-30-2011, 07:25 AM
Touray and Frei speculation doens't make much sense to me....

Me neither. They could have had Ricketts for very little, if they wanted to go down the veteran international GK road.

Using international slots on GKs is a bad idea.

keem-o-sabi
11-30-2011, 07:32 AM
co-ed girl (http://www.brobible.com/bronews/story/gallery-15-photos-of-british-glamour-model-jessica-jane-clement)

London
11-30-2011, 07:34 AM
the link wont work for me,

is this the gambian keeper???

what makes him better than Frei???

Fort York Redcoat
11-30-2011, 07:43 AM
Hope there is more to the Frei story. I'd hate to see him go. Even more so for another MLS side.

Acquiring Hall for a second round pick seems fine. He seems a good enough starter but still not the surefire starter at the back we're clamouring for.

London
11-30-2011, 08:31 AM
what would people think about drogba in LA???

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news;_ylt=AlncjQ8b8enriy_uUFP2grsHNgU6?slug=goal-agentdidierdrogbaisconsider

Ossington Mental Youth
11-30-2011, 08:34 AM
it does if we are trading frei off to someone

Wagner
11-30-2011, 08:50 AM
it does if we are trading frei off to someone

That's what I was thinking.
You'd think something pretty good would be coming back for Frei.

Technorgasm
11-30-2011, 09:00 AM
Hope there is more to the Frei story. I'd hate to see him go. Even more so for another MLS side.

Acquiring Hall for a second round pick seems fine. He seems a good enough starter but still not the surefire starter at the back we're clamouring for.

Is Cann still part of our Plan?
dreadfully quiet on that front, and I need some news there.

Frei our best performer. we dont need to be burned (again) with such a critical piece to our puzzle by trading him.

Frei for Captain.

pekduck
11-30-2011, 09:01 AM
That's what I was thinking.
You'd think something pretty good would be coming back for Frei.

but why would it involve another veteran international GK? Kocic is competent enough to play in MLS

Phil
11-30-2011, 09:06 AM
Is Cann still part of our Plan?
dreadfully quiet on that front, and I need some news there.

Frei our best performer. we dont need to be burned (again) with such a critical piece to our puzzle by trading him.

Frei for Captain.

Its hard to guage Cann as he was out for such a long stretch last year and is now coming off that injury.

I think the one thing that was learned (which we all learned in year 1) is that you cant have too much depth on the backline.

Ossington Mental Youth
11-30-2011, 09:16 AM
Is Cann still part of our Plan?
dreadfully quiet on that front, and I need some news there.

Frei our best performer. we dont need to be burned (again) with such a critical piece to our puzzle by trading him.

Frei for Captain.

I dont know that Id call Frei a critical piece of our puzzle, especially as he sat out so many games with Kocic performing equally in his place. I would say hes a good player and has been particularly importnat in the past. Fact is we need a CB, who knows the league, that can command our back line, Frei is prob our only asset we can trade from our team.

brad
11-30-2011, 09:21 AM
but why would it involve another veteran international GK? Kocic is competent enough to play in MLS

Competition? Depth? Upgrade?

Hard to say - any idea's on what his salary would be?

brad
11-30-2011, 09:23 AM
Moving Frei is a risk, but I have thought it was in the cards ever since Kocic was given an extended run in the team.
I'm still of the mind that if we can get a good CB for Frei, it is worth the move.

pekduck
11-30-2011, 09:24 AM
Competition? Depth? Upgrade?

Hard to say - any idea's on what his salary would be?

meanwhile..

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/11/30/kick-vancouver-set-sights-former-epl-defender

vancouver is trying to get ex Spurs defender

brad
11-30-2011, 09:25 AM
I think the writing is on the wall for Cann as a started. Wrong side of 30 with a serious knee injury. He didn't look comfortable with the ball at his feet in Winter's team, which is another thing that make me wonder if he is in the plans, at least as a starter.

Personally, even if he recovers from his knee injury, I think we need to to better at the starting CB role than him to really improve the backline. As a backup instead of Harden or Iro though, yes.

Big if on the knee though...

KGH
11-30-2011, 09:26 AM
Is Cann still part of our Plan?
dreadfully quiet on that front, and I need some news there.

Frei our best performer. we dont need to be burned (again) with such a critical piece to our puzzle by trading him.

Frei for Captain.


1) Frei > Frings for captain???? Give your head a shake

2) Based on the pickup yesterday I'd say Cann has become too expensive to not be the main stud CB. Considering we want ecks to stay and he's not coming cheap my guess is we don't exercise the option on Cann or renegotiate a lower salary using some of that to cover the cost of ecks

brad
11-30-2011, 09:27 AM
meanwhile..

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/11/30/kick-vancouver-set-sights-former-epl-defender

vancouver is trying to get ex Spurs defender

Article says probably as a DP. Wouldn't be a fan of us using a DP slot on an 34 year old fullback.

Canary10
11-30-2011, 09:39 AM
It could make sense in this respect: Frei is a great shot stopper, but his distribution isn't that good. I think that's the main reason Kocic took over the number 1 role in the second half. He's better with the ball and disributing it. Winter's system needs a keeper who is comfortable on the ball and will play it out to the defense. I know nothing about this Touray guy, but if we have a keeper really adept at playing the ball out, it will massively improve our defense. Kocic is pretty good at it, but having two would be real improvement.

If Frei is traded for a centre back with ball possession abilities, then even better. Unfortunately, as the Rickets trade shows, keepers aren't worth that much in a trade. We'll see.

hodgkiss
11-30-2011, 09:42 AM
kevin mckenna would be a great addition to the team. yes he is on the wrong side of 30 as well but he is a much more comfortable and mobile adrian cann. he is seeing less minutes in germany now and i bet he could still play as long as torsten can. i would feel pretty comfortable with him back there.

Technorgasm
11-30-2011, 09:43 AM
Frei is prob our only asset we can trade from our team.

this is a fact that can not be overlooked.
shame really. . .

but not surprising from a team that has NEVER seen post season. .

(sad) :(

Suds
11-30-2011, 09:46 AM
Mornin'

Toughest Possible Start To 2012 (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/11/toughest-possible-start-2012)


MLS Home Opener Dates Announced (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/11/mls-home-opener-dates-announced)
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The Chicago Fire, Columbus Crew, New England Revolution, and Toronto FC start their home schedules March 24, and Red Bull New York plays its first home game March 25.


This reads to me that we will likely open against Columbus on the 24th ... you know, to continue this facade of a rivalry the MLS has conjured up.

pekduck
11-30-2011, 09:52 AM
Article says probably as a DP. Wouldn't be a fan of us using a DP slot on an 34 year old fullback.

Absolutely not for us, but I like how Vancouver is getting old defenders, like, Demerit who was injured for more than half a season :D (not wishing bad on him, but just saying that their defense can crumble at any time)

brad
11-30-2011, 09:53 AM
This reads to me that we will likely open against Columbus on the 24th ... you know, to continue this facade of a rivalry the MLS has conjured up.

The quote says Columbus and us start our home schedules on the same day so it can't be them.

Suds
11-30-2011, 09:55 AM
The quote says Columbus and us start our home schedules on the same day so it can't be them.

Ah, I see. I misread that.

ag futbol
11-30-2011, 10:17 AM
Using international slots on GKs is a bad idea.
Exactly what I was going to write.


SSG: snookie is that you?

Waggy
11-30-2011, 10:40 AM
Hate the guy, but Cathal had a GREAT throwaway line about TFC in a Raptors story.

"Clearly, no team has been so put into the shade by a Leafs resurgence as the Raptors. Everyone else has at least a thread of hope dangling overhead.

The Blue Jays have a new playoff spot opening up for them; the Argos have a 100th anniversary Grey Cup to talk up; and Toronto FC long ago hit bottom and just kept digging."


I legit LOL'd. Well played Kelly. Well played

Oldtimer
11-30-2011, 10:48 AM
^ Kelly is just plain negative.

Waggy
11-30-2011, 10:52 AM
^ Kelly is just plain negative.

For sure. But that was still funny. I mean TFC has the most tangible of hope, they have a quarter final playoff game to open the season- while I do think the Leafs and Jays will both make the post season this year, they still have to deal with a regular season first and lots of ifs and luck to get there.

Whoop
11-30-2011, 11:00 AM
Players available for re-entry draft.

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/11/mls-announces-players-left-available-for-re-entry-draft.html

How does this work?

scooter
11-30-2011, 11:03 AM
mornin d

say it aint frei

cann is done he cannot play winter's style because he doesnt have the touch but i think they will wait until they see him in training to be sure --- he is not worth anything ---anyways boy did he blow it when he walked out of training last year over money

Yohan
11-30-2011, 11:22 AM
Players available for re-entry draft.

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/11/mls-announces-players-left-available-for-re-entry-draft.html

How does this work?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_MLS_Re-Entry_Draft

TFC has 3rd spot and can potentially pick up someone decent. get bobby boswell!!!

Whoop
11-30-2011, 11:23 AM
How much is he making?

KGH
11-30-2011, 11:31 AM
How much is he making?

Last year was $210k

Yohan
11-30-2011, 11:32 AM
How much is he making?
210k last year

KGH
11-30-2011, 11:37 AM
The name that jumps out at me is Bobby Convey. He was making a ton of money last year though...$336k

Canary10
11-30-2011, 11:40 AM
How is Boswell on the ball? We need CBs with good ball distribution.

Oldtimer
11-30-2011, 11:42 AM
We could get Jon Conway back.

Jacob Peterson on the list? Armen will want TFC to make a bid for sure!

Yohan
11-30-2011, 11:43 AM
How is Boswell on the ball? We need CBs with good ball distribution.
lol. this is MLS. rarely you'll find a defender who's good with ball at feet.

JonO
11-30-2011, 11:45 AM
Just to confirm my understanding of the re-entry draft: If we pick up someone in stage 1 we pick up their contract too. If we want to renegotiate, we have to wait for the second stage?

Oldtimer
11-30-2011, 11:46 AM
Just to confirm my understanding of the re-entry draft: If we pick up someone in stage 1 we pick up their contract too. If we want to renegotiate, we have to wait for the second stage?

Correct.

Yohan
11-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Just to confirm my understanding of the re-entry draft: If we pick up someone in stage 1 we pick up their contract too. If we want to renegotiate, we have to wait for the second stage?
if picked on first rd, it's their 2011 contract + 10% IIRC

Canary10
11-30-2011, 12:06 PM
lol. this is MLS. rarely you'll find a defender who's good with ball at feet.

We really need that, otherwise we're playing kick and run. A big part of our defensive issues is that we aren't good moving the ball out from the back. Also part of the reason why Frings had to keep dropping back. He's the only one comfortable enough to do it.

brad
11-30-2011, 12:24 PM
What's Freeman look like these days? I recall him not being bad in his brief time with us.

Wagner
11-30-2011, 12:25 PM
I like Frei.
we are/were lucky to have him.

But Milos has shown he can do it.

if we can get something awesome for Frei, I say go for it.

wUaMzsNKR7Q

Yohan
11-30-2011, 12:26 PM
What's Freeman look like these days? I recall him not being bad in his brief time with us.
I think he'd still be starting material for MLS. he didn't get much playing time in Houston because Houston is so deep with depth in defence

Yohan
11-30-2011, 12:31 PM
We really need that, otherwise we're playing kick and run. A big part of our defensive issues is that we aren't good moving the ball out from the back. Also part of the reason why Frings had to keep dropping back. He's the only one comfortable enough to do it.
this is MLS, and I think having a ball playing CB is a 'want', not a 'must have'. Outside of Tim Ream, Geoff Cameron and Alain Rochat, nobody else falls within that ball playing CB that TFC supposedly must have. And Winter/Mariner said that they are looking for CBs within MLS.

now this could change, and TFC can still find that CB elsewhere. but even then, a CB who is good with the ball at feet is a rare commodity (and hence why Tim Ream will probably be playing in Europe soon, despite his not so good defending)

I think TFC will be doing another 'make do' for CB again. as long as TFC gets someone who is not afraid of the ball and can make a short pass, I'll be happy enough

Canary10
11-30-2011, 12:41 PM
^Yeah, I get that. Just having decent central defenders would be a massive improvement for us.

But in a possession game, the goalkeeper and CBs have to be comfortable on the ball. Great article in zonal marking on this. Focuses more on the goalkeeper, but same is true from the defenders.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/11/25/goalkeeper-short-passing-distribution/

brad
11-30-2011, 12:47 PM
^Yeah, I get that. Just having decent central defenders would be a massive improvement for us.

But in a possession game, the goalkeeper and CBs have to be comfortable on the ball. Great article in zonal marking on this. Focuses more on the goalkeeper, but same is true from the defenders.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/11/25/goalkeeper-short-passing-distribution/

zonalmarking.net - one of, if not the best football site on the web IMHO...

ensco
11-30-2011, 12:56 PM
If we're talking about bringing in Gambians, and bring guys back, what about Gomez? Couldn't he be decent depth on the backline?

ensco
11-30-2011, 01:00 PM
what would people think about drogba in LA???

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news;_ylt=AlncjQ8b8enriy_uUFP2grsHNgU6?slug=goal-agentdidierdrogbaisconsider

Doesn't strike me as an LA kind of guy. Anelka is an LA kind of guy.

The big West African emigre community is in New York. Given Drogba's humanitarian/political interests, that's what he would want, I'd bet

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/nyregion/03konate.html

Yohan
11-30-2011, 01:02 PM
Doesn't strike me as an LA kind of guy. Anelka is an LA kind of guy.

The big West African emigre community is in New York. Given Drogba's humanitarian/political interests, that's what he would want, I'd bet

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/nyregion/03konate.html
sounds like Drogba will play whichever team gives him the most money

DichioTFC
11-30-2011, 01:03 PM
^Yeah, I get that. Just having decent central defenders would be a massive improvement for us.

But in a possession game, the goalkeeper and CBs have to be comfortable on the ball. Great article in zonal marking on this. Focuses more on the goalkeeper, but same is true from the defenders.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/11/25/goalkeeper-short-passing-distribution/

The Valdes video in the link shows why Frei is expendable. His distribution is either a short pass to a CB or hoofing it up-field hoping a target man will be able to control it (which happens successfully, I'm estimating, 15% of the time). Valdes had the mid-range passes down perfectly (which will always be available in MLS play) and the confidence to play a pass that length.

I would be alright with Touray coming in over Frei if his distribution were improved (I'm assuming it would be considering he's more experienced). Regardless, Frei is expendable, with his only saving grace being that he's months away from being Canadian passport-eligible (meaning he could play for CMNT).

ensco
11-30-2011, 01:03 PM
sounds like Drogba will play whichever team gives him the most money

That is always true too :D

C.Ronaldo
11-30-2011, 02:02 PM
bring the atmosphere back

"Coming through that tunnel at BMO for the first time gave me goose bumps, with the fan base and playing before the hometown crowd. It was unbelievable," Stamatopolous said of his time spent on loan at TFC.

Oldtimer
11-30-2011, 02:08 PM
Frei is expendable, with his only saving grace being that he's months away from being Canadian passport-eligible (meaning he could play for CMNT).

Frei's not going to play for Canada. He's already said that the Swiss National Team is his dream.

Roogsy
11-30-2011, 02:09 PM
Shoot I forgot about Seattle being in the running for a keeper as well.

Auzzy
11-30-2011, 02:14 PM
If we're talking about bringing in Gambians, and bring guys back, what about Gomez? Couldn't he be decent depth on the backline?

I don't know if he's played seriously since his knee injury & then being waived by TFC at the end of the season. That was an awful injury, potentially chronic. I wonder if he's ever fully recovered.

KGH
11-30-2011, 02:24 PM
What's curious is that Cann wasn't on that list. He's pretty expense to have as a back up. I wonder what the rules are about guys on IR.

__wowza
11-30-2011, 02:44 PM
wUaMzsNKR7Q


you're really pushing this and i couldn't agree with it more. next season, if he's here, this is getting busted out!!

ag futbol
11-30-2011, 03:35 PM
this is MLS, and I think having a ball playing CB is a 'want', not a 'must have'. Outside of Tim Ream, Geoff Cameron and Alain Rochat, nobody else falls within that ball playing CB that TFC supposedly must have. And Winter/Mariner said that they are looking for CBs within MLS.

And guys like Gonzales, Jankovic... more people being added to that list all the time.

Having a defender who can play the ball is becoming a lot more must have and a lot less optional these days as teams have noticed that defenders who consistently give the ball away are just as much if not more of a liability than those who make the occasional defensive error.

For Winter's system, CB's who can play the ball are must have. I can't picture it working out any other way.

spark
11-30-2011, 03:36 PM
you're really pushing this and i couldn't agree with it more. next season, if he's here, this is getting busted out!!

Hahaha there's a bunch of guys in 110 who after every save he made did "ANOTHER SAVE FOR MILOSSSSSSS!"

Yohan
11-30-2011, 03:39 PM
And guys like Gonzales, Jankovic... more people being added to that list all the time.

Having a defender who can play the ball is becoming a lot more must have and a lot less optional these days as teams have noticed that defenders who consistently give the ball away are just as much if not more of a liability than those who make the occasional defensive error.

For Winter's system, CB's who can play the ball are must have. I can't picture it working out any other way.
Omar Gonzalez is terrible with ball at feet. Jakovic, I'm not too sure because I haven't seen enough of him.

Enough teams, good MLS teams, don't have CBs that are really good passers. See RSL, Seattle, LA. It's a nice to have, but not a must

Canary10
11-30-2011, 04:20 PM
Omar Gonzalez is terrible with ball at feet. Jakovic, I'm not too sure because I haven't seen enough of him.

Enough teams, good MLS teams, don't have CBs that are really good passers. See RSL, Seattle, LA. It's a nice to have, but not a must

How many play a 4-3-3? I think it's pretty much integral to a possession game. What I think will happen next year if we don't have that is Frings will get continually pulled back to be that first option from the goalkeeper. Or we end up dumping balls in. One thing's for sure, if we were better at playing balls out, it would really improve our defense.

Yohan
11-30-2011, 04:28 PM
How many play a 4-3-3? I think it's pretty much integral to a possession game. What I think will happen next year if we don't have that is Frings will get continually pulled back to be that first option from the goalkeeper. Or we end up dumping balls in. One thing's for sure, if we were better at playing balls out, it would really improve our defense.
My point is that we don't need someone who is amazing with ball at feet. Just ones comfortable enough that they don't panic when they get the ball.

Two teams that play 4-3-3 (or variation of) RSL, SKC, did decent in playoffs this year, without that amazing ball playing CB

johnmolinaro
11-30-2011, 07:33 PM
my latest story:

TFC 'confident' of keeping Plata, Eckersley
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2011/11/30/tfc_plata_eckersley/

Ossington Mental Youth
11-30-2011, 07:36 PM
nice one!
thanks!

Yohan
11-30-2011, 07:49 PM
i don't wanna hear any other Eck or Plata story except that they are actually signed. :p

though I think it may be smarter if Mariner signs Plata, and extend Eck's loan.