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ManUtd4ever
10-25-2011, 09:43 AM
In your opinion, which players on the current roster should be retained by management for next season?

[NBF]
10-25-2011, 10:07 AM
I clicked on all of them except Ty Harden, just to be an asshole. Your Welcome:)

Mark TFC
10-25-2011, 10:56 AM
I'm actually very happy with the current roster. I clicked everyone except Bouchiba, Griffit, and Viator.

DichioTFC
10-25-2011, 10:56 AM
For the sake of discussion, TFC player salaries for 2011 (not included, the $250K we're still paying for DooWayne). Sorry it's not edited properly, Adobe was screwing with me

Club
Last Name
First Name
Pos
Base Salary
Guaranteed Compensation


TFC
Avila
Eric
M
$100,000.00
$133,000.00
TFC
Borman
Danleigh
M
$42,000.00
$42,000.00
TFC
Bouchiba
Elbekay
M
$92,004.00
$92,004.00
TFC
Cann
Adrian
D
$123,996.00
$132,746.00
TFC
Cordon
Oscar
M
$32,604.00
$32,604.00
TFC
de Guzman
Julian
M
$1,863,996.00
$1,910,746.00
TFC
Dunfield
Terry
M
$65,000.00
$65,000.00
TFC
Eckersley
Richard
D
$75,000.00
$90,000.00
TFC
Frei
Stefan
GK
$100,000.00
$155,000.00
TFC
Frings
Torsten
M
$699,996.00
$1,113,662.67
TFC
Gold
Matt
M
$42,000.00
$42,000.00
TFC
Harden
Ty
D
$65,000.00
$73,666.67
TFC
Henry
Doneil
D
$42,000.00
$43,000.00
TFC
Johnson
Ryan
M
$131,250.00
$131,250.00
TFC
Kocic
Milos
GK
$42,000.00
$42,000.00
TFC
Koevermans
Danny
F
$999,996.00
$1,413,319.33
TFC
Lindsay
Nicholas
F
$42,000.00
$43,000.00
TFC
Makubuya
Keith
F
$32,604.00
$32,604.00
TFC
Marosevic
Peri
F
$80,000.00
$129,000.00
TFC
Martina
Javier
F
$89,460.00
$96,140.75
TFC
Morgan
Ashtone
D
$32,604.00
$32,604.00
TFC
Omphroy
Demitrius
D
$42,000.00
$42,000.00
TFC
Plata
Joao
F
$42,000.00
$42,000.00
TFC
Robinson
Dasan
D
$97,500.00
$100,000.00
TFC
Soolsma
Nick
M-F
$86,004.00
$86,004.00
TFC
Stinson
Matthew
M
$32,604.00
$32,604.00
TFC
Sturgis
Nathan
D-M
$85,000.00
$89,250.00
TFC
Viator
Eddy
D
$90,000.00
$101,875.00
TFC
Williams
Dicoy
D
$50,004.00
$50,004.00
TFC
Yourassowsky
Mikael
D
$80,004.00
$81,670.67
TFC
Zavarise
Gianluca
M
$42,000.00
$46,517.75

Auzzy
10-25-2011, 10:59 AM
^ How much were we still paying for Barrett? That also expires now.

ag futbol
10-25-2011, 11:01 AM
So I was pretty selective about who i chose but I still got to 20 players. Good sign. We have certain positions covered and more than enough bench depth.

Guys like: Yourassowski, Borman, and Martina are easy targets to cut because we'll need those international spots.

We need a few guys, but they have to be high quality.

DichioTFC
10-25-2011, 11:08 AM
So I was pretty selective about who i chose but I still got to 20 players. Good sign. We have certain positions covered and more than enough bench depth.

Guys like: Yourassowski, Borman, and Martina are easy targets to cut because we'll need those international spots.

We need a few guys, but they have to be high quality.

Agreed on all counts. We have great depth, but just need the starting XI in place to complete the squad (easier said than done, I know).

I cut Bouchiba, Gold, Griffit, Makabuya, Martina, Viator and Yourassowsky. I would've cut Dunfield too if he weren't Canadian (has trade bait value to Montreal & Vancouver). All these guys are not worth their on-field value and are interchangeable with better players.

Job One for Mariner is to make sure Eckersley and Plata are in TFC kits for next season.

DichioTFC
10-25-2011, 11:14 AM
^ How much were we still paying for Barrett? That also expires now.

Not sure, but Barrett is making $200K, so my guess is that we're paying for half. But then again, I'm sure we get some help from other teams for the incoming players we picked up.

ManUtd4ever
10-25-2011, 11:34 AM
I agree that there is a fairly solid foundation in place for next season. In addition to trimming the roster of excess baggage, the expiration of the financial obligations for DeRo and Barrett should provide considerable flexibility within the perameters of the salary cap.

The players I think should be released or traded are:

Borman, Bouchiba, Griffit, Martina, Sturgis, Viator, Yourassowsky, and Zavarise.

If these players are moved it would free up a few valuable international slots without compromising the nucleus of the roster.

Canary10
10-25-2011, 11:50 AM
What do people know about Reggie Lambe? From the various articles I've been reading looks like he'll definitely be on the roster next year.

prizby
10-25-2011, 12:42 PM
it is so hard to pick and choose players based on 2 factors

What will be there salary.
What is there status (ie. international players).

International players that are low salary, maybe you can keep, but they have to be contributing. If they do not contribute or are not part of the first team plans of the coach, then there really is no need to keep them.

Borman, Yourassowsky, Martina, Griffit, Viator would fit under this area. Bouchiba could too, but we have never seen him play, in his interview on Monday, he seemed to think he was going to be back and at less than 100k, that is fine.

The next factor that you have to ask is if they do not fall under the international criteria, is what i am going to pay them, going to be value for my money?

There are rumours that Dunfield salary is suppose to increase next year. How much? who knows? 150k? For a rotation type of player, do you want to pay 150k for Dunfield? Or how about Marosevic? 129k this year as GA, but now he is graduated and he has two option years; this would mean probably a small increase in salary; say 135k...is his roll on the team worth 135k? There is no doubt, that these are two players we would love to keep, but are there rolls within the team worth what there contracts are said to pay them or can the money that would be paid to them be better spent?

SKB
10-25-2011, 09:22 PM
Hmm I was little surprized about the support for DeGuzman. Don't get me wrong I thought he started to play well very for the team down the stretch. Just not sure we can keep him @ a million plus. I think we need a DP central defender and that would mean letting DeGuzman drop from DP status.

Auzzy
10-25-2011, 09:59 PM
De Guzman has a fixed contract through the end of 2012. The only way you get another DP is if TFC buy out the rest of the contract. (I've heard rumours that JDG isn't interested in getting low-balled.) Or if some other team takes him off of our hands. (I don't know if Julian has a no-trade clause in his contract though.)

So most likely he will be staying.

prizby
10-26-2011, 08:48 AM
Hmm I was little surprized about the support for DeGuzman. Don't get me wrong I thought he started to play well very for the team down the stretch. Just not sure we can keep him @ a million plus. I think we need a DP central defender and that would mean letting DeGuzman drop from DP status.

and how would you go about doing this (economically)

backbeat
10-26-2011, 10:36 AM
Hmm I was little surprized about the support for DeGuzman. Don't get me wrong I thought he started to play well very for the team down the stretch. Just not sure we can keep him @ a million plus. I think we need a DP central defender and that would mean letting DeGuzman drop from DP status.

he has a contract through to the end of 2012 and who cares what MLSE is paying him, his cap hit is $335,000 or whatever that number is. the only way they get the DP spot is to trade for one, buy him out or he leaves for a contract elsewhere - all highly unlikely.

mastermixer
10-26-2011, 11:00 AM
Poor Martina, he was the darling of the team after that home opener goal against Portland. Practically invisible since.

prizby
10-26-2011, 12:04 PM
he has a contract through to the end of 2012 and who cares what MLSE is paying him, his cap hit is $335,000 or whatever that number is. the only way they get the DP spot is to trade for one, buy him out or he leaves for a contract elsewhere - all highly unlikely.

cant trade for anymore dp spots

Pookie
10-26-2011, 12:07 PM
Sorted results as of the time of the post:



T. Frings 105 99.06%
D. Koevermans 105 99.06%
J. Plata 105 99.06%
R. Eckersley 104 98.11%
M. Kocic 104 98.11%
E. Avila 102 96.23%
R. Johnson 102 96.23%
S. Frei 98 92.45%
A. Morgan 96 90.57%
D. Henry 95 89.62%
J. DeGuzman 92 86.79%
N. Soolsma 91 85.85%
N. Lindsay 90 84.91%
P. Marosevic 88 83.02%
M. Stinson 84 79.25%
A. Cann 81 76.42%
T. Dunfield 81 76.42%
O. Cordon 74 69.81%
D. Williams 72 67.92%
T. Harden 66 62.26%
D. Omphroy 63 59.43%
A. Iro 58 54.72%
K. Makabuya 42 39.62%
K. Davies 40 37.74%
G. Zavarise 36 33.96%
E. Bouchiba 31 29.25%
M. Gold 27 25.47%
M. Yourassowsky 26 24.53%
N. Sturgis 23 21.70%
D. Borman 15 14.15%
J. Martina 14 13.21%
L. Griffit 11 10.38%
E. Viator 9 8.49%

ManUtd4ever
10-26-2011, 12:11 PM
Sorted results as of the time of the post:



T. Frings 105 99.06%
D. Koevermans 105 99.06%
J. Plata 105 99.06%
R. Eckersley 104 98.11%
M. Kocic 104 98.11%
E. Avila 102 96.23%
R. Johnson 102 96.23%
S. Frei 98 92.45%
A. Morgan 96 90.57%
D. Henry 95 89.62%
J. DeGuzman 92 86.79%
N. Soolsma 91 85.85%
N. Lindsay 90 84.91%
P. Marosevic 88 83.02%
M. Stinson 84 79.25%
A. Cann 81 76.42%
T. Dunfield 81 76.42%
O. Cordon 74 69.81%
D. Williams 72 67.92%
T. Harden 66 62.26%
D. Omphroy 63 59.43%
A. Iro 58 54.72%
K. Makabuya 42 39.62%
K. Davies 40 37.74%
G. Zavarise 36 33.96%
E. Bouchiba 31 29.25%
M. Gold 27 25.47%
M. Yourassowsky 26 24.53%
N. Sturgis 23 21.70%
D. Borman 15 14.15%
J. Martina 14 13.21%
L. Griffit 11 10.38%
E. Viator 9 8.49%


Thanks Pookie.

It looks like the consensus is bang on for the most part.

Oldtimer
10-26-2011, 12:46 PM
Looks pretty close to what Winter would pick, based on how he has played the various players (with Harden and Iro playing more than Winter would prefer due to the two CB injuries, and players that haven't played this year being a little under-represented).

PopePouri
10-26-2011, 01:13 PM
Looks pretty close to what Winter would pick, based on how he has played the various players (with Harden and Iro playing more than Winter would prefer due to the two CB injuries, and players that haven't played this year being a little under-represented).

Agreed. Dicoy Williams' wage is $50 000 and he's international quality. If he played the entire year, I'm sure he'd be would be near the top.

trane
10-26-2011, 01:30 PM
I was very down on Harden at the beggining of the year, because he showed all the wrong insticts for a CB, but he has improved in so much I would keep him around as a back up player. I would keep him in Iro as back ups at the position.

JDG is a Euro quality CDM. People may have concerns inregard to his sallary in light of the Cap, but his quality is not easily replaced in this league.

Yohan
10-26-2011, 01:36 PM
I was very down on Harden at the beggining of the year, because he showed all the wrong insticts for a CB, but he has improved in so much I would keep him around as a back up player. I would keep him in Iro as back ups at the position.

JDG is a Euro quality CDM. People may have concerns inregard to his sallary in light of the Cap, but his quality is not easily replaced in this league.
I'd take the Dirty Hippie or Alonso over JDG. even Teemu Tainio. Geoff Cameron.

MLS has a lot of good DMs and not cost more than 250k per year

Pookie
10-26-2011, 01:47 PM
JDG has impressed.

I think the offseason question is will CB help come in the form of a DP?

If so, JDG is the odd man out.

prizby
10-26-2011, 03:40 PM
JDG has impressed.

I think the offseason question is will CB help come in the form of a DP?

If so, JDG is the odd man out.

would love to know how you propose to get rid of his final year of his contract without sucking up much of the cause.

I feel he is fine where he is; if we don't pay anymore of barrett/dero and certain players don't get heavy raises, we can easily bring in a 250k CB

brad
10-26-2011, 04:01 PM
I'd take the Dirty Hippie or Alonso over JDG. even Teemu Tainio. Geoff Cameron.

MLS has a lot of good DMs and not cost more than 250k per year

If we are talking 250k for a good DM, that that's really only a net loss of 85k against the cap which isn't much.

The real loss in that case is the opportunity cost of that DP slot, which could be used an AM or a CB.

Canary10
10-26-2011, 04:10 PM
Highly doubt they'll use a DP slot for an central defender (or 2).

In regards to the AM, Johnson looked very good in that position the past few games. Not sure if that's where he ought to play, but he looked very good doing it those games. With Avila and Marosevic as depth, we might be all right there.

That would really leave the need for a speedy winger or two to complement Plata (hopefully) on the right side.

brad
10-26-2011, 04:22 PM
Highly doubt they'll use a DP slot for an central defender (or 2)

I'm not so sure. Just a guess here, but Winter has said repeatedly that he wants leaders down the spine of the team - so that implies forward - middle - defense. Defense is the only place we don't have that, and I get the impression that he's talking about experienced guys here - not the standard MLS caliber players.

It's all moot though, I don't see JDG going anywhere this year.

prizby
10-26-2011, 06:39 PM
would love to see them go after kyle porter from fc edmonton

ag futbol
10-26-2011, 06:58 PM
^ Shaun Saiko sounds a little more interesting.

Pookie
10-27-2011, 09:12 AM
would love to know how you propose to get rid of his final year of his contract without sucking up much of the cause.

I feel he is fine where he is; if we don't pay anymore of barrett/dero and certain players don't get heavy raises, we can easily bring in a 250k CB

There isn't a way to get out of the contract without a buy-out/negotiation. They can buy out his contract in the offseason and not have the amount charged against the cap but it will still cost them seven figures.

I am not proposing that they do it. I'd be quite happy to see JDG return.

His offseason attitude that carried through the year is a great model for teammates.

prizby
10-29-2011, 06:10 PM
^exactly...i think he stays and excels next year...too many jdg haters from his poor performances in the past..time to get to the present cuz he has been performing and future looks real good! bet we have cap space for a 250k defender

Canary10
11-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Soccer by Ives is suggesting Brian Span could be TFC's pick in the draft. They compare him to a "young Brek Shea." Given that Brek Shea is only 21, not sure what that means. But he looks like a solid winger, which we could use. There's an article about him below.


http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=205307806

moralis
11-01-2011, 12:54 PM
Interesting tweet about Span from Steve Goff:

@ColumbusCrew (http://twitter.com/#%21/ColumbusCrew) Virginia's Brian Span will probably go to Europe. Trained with Orebro and Hoffenheim last summer

http://twitter.com/#!/SoccerInsider/status/131393885481078784

T-boy
11-01-2011, 01:16 PM
This poll is kind of crazy - Bouchiba (a player we've never seen play and is way the wrong wide of 30!) has more votes than Gold, who is an improving player and young, and other similar players!

I guess nobody rates Gold at all....he's seen as worse than a player who's been injured and never watched by a TFC fan! If I was Gold reading this forum, I'd quit right now!

Oldtimer
11-01-2011, 01:20 PM
This poll is kind of crazy - Bouchiba (a player we've never seen play and is way the wrong wide of 30!) has more votes than Gold, who is an improving player and young, and other similar players!

I guess nobody rates Gold at all....he's seen as worse than a player who's been injured and never watched by a TFC fan! If I was Gold reading this forum, I'd quit right now!


If you think any player takes a poll like this seriously, you're mistaken. The only opinion that counts is the coach's. you can be sure of that.

In fact, you shouldn't take any of the 100,000 polls that have been on this board too seriously. There's a reason why fans aren't running the club.

PopePouri
11-01-2011, 03:23 PM
Bouchiba has pedigree. Played in the Eredivisie for most of his career and has plenty of experience. Gold has done very little even with his limited amount of minutes.