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Oldtimer
10-01-2011, 08:30 PM
discuss

ArmenJBX
10-01-2011, 08:34 PM
twas inevitable, Winter played for the 1-0 and the heavy offence of Rogers/Agudelo/Lindpere/Henry took their chance

LittleOzzy
10-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Not much to discuss really.

Great 85 minutes and another let down late means another early winter for TFC. Rinse and repeat all season long.

Brooker
10-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Gave away 2 points by giving New York all the chances in the world at the end.

Gain possession, hoof it back. Gain possession, hoof it back. Repeat, repeat, repeat, goal.

dantdot
10-01-2011, 08:37 PM
Questionable subs. Sat on the lead, that's what happens.

Detroit_TFC
10-01-2011, 08:42 PM
Sucks not to have won that. RB was awful, they have some issues going on. Absense of Ecks well dealt with, our defense wasn't near as sloppy as usual, happy to see that. There was a game plan to keep things under control in the first half and press more in the second. I totally agree. I knew that things would get dicey when it became do-or-die for RB at around 80th min. Stinson-best game on senior squad yet. Morgan looked very good too. Main disappointment I have is that our subs didn't help us much, but that's just where things are right now.

jloome
10-01-2011, 08:43 PM
The goal was very skilfull. Can't knock that. I think we played well for the whole match, deserved at least a point, maybe three.

Detroit_TFC
10-01-2011, 08:45 PM
Frings worked his ass off tonight, he's like having two players.

Shakes McQueen
10-01-2011, 08:51 PM
The goal was very skilfull. Can't knock that. I think we played well for the whole match, deserved at least a point, maybe three.

Yep.

- Scott

mowe
10-01-2011, 09:01 PM
1-1 is probably fair. I really don't like how Winter chooses to sit on 1-0 leads, but I don't think we had too many options on the bench.

I thought Kocic had a good game tonight. We are going to have a good battle for starting goalkeeper next season. For the rest of the games this season, let's just play as many youngsters as possible.

Canary10
10-01-2011, 09:30 PM
We were beaten by a class finish pure and simple. We played a solid game. It was a really entertaining game.

DOMIN8R
10-01-2011, 09:31 PM
We looked the part for the first 75. Then our tactics moved further (than they already had), after our first goal, to the "bunker". Always easy to criticize with 20/20 hindsight but I thought the whole team played well with a few exceptions. Iro, Frings, Avila, Morgan, Dunfield - even Borman as the late sub generally looked the part. Loved our possession game.

What a difference from the firt time we played them!

Very pleased to see Rafa have, what I would call, a bad game.

Auzzy
10-01-2011, 09:45 PM
Pretty good game, massive improvement is visible. As mentioned, no plan for finishing a game. In a game like that with our available roster, Johnston coud come off the bench in the 60th or 70th minute to replace the Koef. That way maybe we don't completely lose that half of the field towards the end.

rocker
10-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Good game. I thought TFC was in control for the most part.... But I do agree I'm a little concerned with Winter putting on defenders at the ends of games and the bunkering. If that's the strategy, don't put on Soolsma at the end. You need some speed and the hoofing of the ball downfield has purpose -- to lead a guy like Plata, who could run all night (although you don't know if he's 100% after that injury). With the extra defender on and Johnson and Koev off, the remaining players really don't know what to do.... so it becomes just kick it back to NYRB.

I thought Stinson was a beast. Smart player, talented, and still at the age that he can grow. Morgan was better than last game -- he negated Dane Richard's speed for the most part. Frings was popping up everywhere mopping up. Koevermans was so cool and calm on that goal -- if it was Barrett or Cunningham, that'd be saved or over the net. I just wish Koev could last 90 minutes. Once he comes out, the pickins are slim on the bench to replace him adequately.

Henry's goal was class... but the wrestler move to show off his muscles to the crowd and basically taunt them was not. And really, his team needed a win, and he was totally invisible (except when he made a bad pass) for much of the game. NYRB is in a dire situation and may not make the playoffs -- if I were him, I'd grab that ball, run immediately back to the centre and get the game back on and go for the winning goal. TFC was on its heels, but he would rather spend time celebrating and showing his muscles? ;)

Oldtimer
10-01-2011, 10:11 PM
I would have preferred to know RBNY out of the playoffs.

I hope Koevs is OK. Apart from that, OK game.

DOMIN8R
10-01-2011, 10:13 PM
Good game.... But I do agree I'm a little concerned with Winter putting on defenders at the ends of games and the bunkering. If that's the strategy, don't put on Soolsma at the end.....

At this time - with injuries, the schedule, our present roster, the team we were up against - I'm not sure we had much choice.

sidvan
10-01-2011, 10:16 PM
If Danleigh Borman never gets a minute of first team action again I would not be unhappy. He has no idea what is going on and has the touch of a steam shovel.

Auzzy
10-01-2011, 10:40 PM
How about Harden tonight? Another solid performance IMO, with some crucial interventions (in addition to the other defenders mentioned positively already -- Frings, Stinson, Morgan). Consider also what Harden is being paid. Still missing at least one stud CB: Cann, Williams, Harden are all solid MLS-caliber defenders to pair with a top CB, or to provide depth off the bench, and for injuries & other absences. But they're not fast enough or commanding enough to be that defensive general that we still need. Frings plays that role well, but then we miss him in MF.

Furtado91
10-01-2011, 10:41 PM
It was a great atmosphere tonight. With the drums banging and the megaphone loud, it was awesome. Had a great time at the tailgate and met a lot of cool and interesting people. Thank you guys for being so inviting.


Cheers,
matt

rocktml
10-01-2011, 10:54 PM
Hey guys need help. Does somebody have a sound bite of that TFC chant ooooooooo o o oooooooooooo o o oooooooooooooo

I believe its fairly new

TFCREDNWHITE
10-01-2011, 10:57 PM
None of our players got injured tonight right??

Hopefully mlse pays for some spa treatments, massages, rub n tugs and escorts for the lads, I want them feeling ready to go against Dallas!

SKB
10-01-2011, 11:02 PM
Last time we played them we got blasted 5 zip. Our control for the first 60 minutes of the game was excellent and we were the better team. The youth on the team has not quite learned how to go for the jugular when we get a lead and close the game out. That will come with time.

Although we gave up a late goal and Winter was concerned about our marking. I feel the real issue is we lack speed in the centre back positions and as a result we give up too many corners. Eventually someone will get free.

We have much better depth on the team. We were missing Eckersly, Plata, JDG, and Frei and we did not miss a beat. A good sign.

Dr K continues to score like a surgeon 7 goals in 9 games. On a 34 game schedule that would be about 25 goals...not bad.

billyfly
10-01-2011, 11:05 PM
How many points have I seen lost over rthe years.

Borga
10-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Enjoyable game. Like night and day from watching the product on the pitch last year. As always, when they start retreating into their shell, you know something bad is going to happen, and it did.

Morgan and Stinson were excellent tonight. Easily the best performance out of Stinson this year IMO.

Brooker
10-01-2011, 11:11 PM
How many points have I seen lost over rthe years.

1 or 2.


None of our players got injured tonight right??

Hopefully mlse pays for some spa treatments, massages, rub n tugs and escorts for the lads, I want them feeling ready to go against Dallas!

After Danny got subbed he went right to the dressing room and they said he banged up his knee.

ArmenJBX
10-01-2011, 11:13 PM
You know, this might be the beer talking, but this game inspired me today.

Well, it was the game, a documentary on JK Rowling, and a pretty interesting quote that inspired me: "Every journalist has a book inside of them, and it should stay there."

Well, forget that. I'm writing a soccer book. And I'm putting my intentions out for the general public so I don't give up on this. I'm insane, probably. We'll see what happens.

Maltese Falcon
10-01-2011, 11:48 PM
Stinson had a great game tonight. Nice to see the academy produce some talent in a short 5 years...or I guess long if you've been watching the club over that time

brad
10-02-2011, 12:26 AM
Based on why De Klerk said in the town hall - I suspect the choices on tactics and subs are driven more by lack of depth and working around the players they have on the bench than they are about intentionally bunkering down.

When Koevs fades - they have no other really offensive choices which means they need to go into a defensive shell. De Klerk was pretty clear that this was something they would not do if they had better options int he bench.

Alonso
10-02-2011, 12:40 AM
You know, this might be the beer talking, but this game inspired me today.

Well, it was the game, a documentary on JK Rowling, and a pretty interesting quote that inspired me: "Every journalist has a book inside of them, and it should stay there."

Well, forget that. I'm writing a soccer book. And I'm putting my intentions out for the general public so I don't give up on this. I'm insane, probably. We'll see what happens.

How about this one: "Fortune favours the bold"

Good luck to you. :hump:

Hump that idea/inspiration until its birthed.

jazzy
10-02-2011, 01:17 AM
1-1 is probably fair. I really don't like how Winter chooses to sit on 1-0 leads, but I don't think we had too many options on the bench.

I thought Kocic had a good game tonight. We are going to have a good battle for starting goalkeeper next season. For the rest of the games this season, let's just play as many youngsters as possible.

And that is exactly what Winter said at townhall....both are even basically.

Canary10
10-02-2011, 01:33 AM
Fuck guys, come on. They played a really good game and got beat by an indefensible goal in the 89th minute. They did great. I loved Henry's reaction to the crowd too. It was all good. We gave him shit and he gave it back. Entertaining. And the supporter's groups were ROCKIN! Well done. Just a good game and SO close to the result we wanted. But we still fucked NYRB's chances!

Brooker
10-02-2011, 01:42 AM
Fuck guys, come on. \

Who's being overly negative?

Dub Narcotic
10-02-2011, 01:47 AM
Ives was positive about TFC's performance:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/10/henrys-late-equalizer-helps-lackluster-red-bulls-salvage-draw-vs-toronto-fc.html

Canary10
10-02-2011, 01:56 AM
Maybe I'm overeacting but some posts seemed negative to me.

that Ives article was horrible. Plata didn't even play!

Shakes McQueen
10-02-2011, 01:56 AM
Who's being overly negative?

It's almost like he just assumed the thread would be full of people tearing the team apart for their performance, so he didn't bother to check, haha.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
10-02-2011, 01:57 AM
Maybe I'm overeacting but some posts seemed negative to me.

that Ives article was horrible. Plata didn't even play!

Some negativity is warranted, even if overall you liked the performance. We still went into a defensive shell, and we still gave up a late goal to drop two points.

- Scott

Canary10
10-02-2011, 01:58 AM
It's almost like he just assumed the thread would be full of people tearing the team apart for their performance, so he didn't bother to check, haha.

- Scott

Hey I read them! I'm just drunk!

Canary10
10-02-2011, 02:01 AM
Some negativity is warranted, even if overall you liked the performance. We still went into a defensive shell, and we still gave up a late goal to drop two points.

- Scott

Not a fan of the defensive shell, I agree with you there. But scoring, let's face it, a world class goal that late tells me no point in hindsight.

JuliquE
10-02-2011, 03:09 AM
NY performs the euthanasia on TFC, again.

__wowza
10-02-2011, 03:57 AM
im so fucking impressed with our youth its not even funny.

Keystone FC
10-02-2011, 04:26 AM
im so fucking impressed with our youth its not even funny.
This is the feeling I have as well. The past few matches have given me a real good feeling for next season. TFC is starting to look like an actual team rather than a few players having a pick up match. This along with the positive feedback from the Town Hall Meeting is making me look forward to the end of this season and the start of the '12 season.
:scarf:

swan
10-02-2011, 06:17 AM
Gave away 2 points by giving New York all the chances in the world at the end.

Gain possession, hoof it back. Gain possession, hoof it back. Repeat, repeat, repeat, goal.


can't say more then this..

Island Man
10-02-2011, 06:53 AM
Ashtone Morgan <3

CSO_BBTB
10-02-2011, 09:24 AM
On the plus side things have moved from having a roster that was a complete shambles at the start of the season that looked like it might struggle to even get 20 points to one where there are only a limited number of positions that need to be strengthened to get things up to MLS playoff contender quality. Iro was probably only signed because the six 2011 discovery signings had been used up along with the possible uses of allocation money and designated player roster spots. A few gems were found by raking around the league's bargain discount bins where trades within the league were concerned in the shape of Johnson, Marosevic and Avila but unfortunately Iro has been a case of close but no cigar. Winter made a comment in the press conference about "lack of quality", which suggests he will be revamping the central defence before the 2012 season starts once he has another batch of six discovery signings at his disposal in the next transfer window.

ManUtd4ever
10-02-2011, 11:31 AM
Disappointing finish but a very solid effort overall. The Academy kids continue to shine.

AL-MO
10-02-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm satisfied with the point we picked up. Too bad it wasn't three, but that was a great finish by Henry.

Here's hoping DK isn't injuried too bad and he is ready to go for the Dallas game on the 18th.

AmherstNY_TFC
10-02-2011, 11:41 AM
I may get flamed for this, but I think TFC has the makings of a playoff team. They are good up top and in the midfield. Unfortunately, they get undone by at least one defensive brain fart per game. That was the one problem they couldn't fix in the transfer window.

The goal was well struck, but it seemed to me that there was blown coverage on the kick. It bounced to a wide open Henry in the box. It undid 85 minutes of good work.

The moves in the summer were upgrades at many positions. It's even to the point that when a substitution is announced, I'm not saying, "Oh no, not that guy." At the very least, we won't have an off season where the team needs to be blown up. We'll need to acquire at least one central defender. I think most of the personnel moves will be extending contracts of guys like Kocic and Plata, shedding some dead weight, and protecting the right players in the expansion draft.

An off season with some optimism?

PopePouri
10-02-2011, 11:43 AM
im so fucking impressed with our youth its not even funny.

I'm not surprised given that Winter's first job was grooming top talent at Ajax. They're in very good hands. Best thing is that they're only gonna get better.

Wingback6
10-02-2011, 11:46 AM
Nice to see the balanced approach to the game, considering similar circumstances and similar results earlier this season and the accompanying... frustration/anger. But I don't think it's lack of a CF that's the problem... it's still a lack of depth at AM... and forward... we put in players behind the ball... and inevitably the possession battle moves in the opponents favour and they score.. all this cause we have only 1 playmaker... in Avila.. move Johnson from wing to CF... and he's bagged.. can't hold up the ball at that point. speaks to the excess of DM type players that we have. Stinson looked very capable at Wingback... possibly his game of the season... seems to get better/smarter every game. Still... I noticed the whole team reverting to bad habits of 'tackle first ask questions later' nonsense once they got tired, rather than keeping formation... which is usually what a tired defense should do... and that is my only criticism... because it shows that those elementary defensive issues have still not been addressed... prob because they didn't become a priority until late. Not that I'm unhappy with the result.. 5-0 to 1-1 due to a virtually unavoidable tactical situation isn't bad... bodes well for next season... touch wood.

reggie
10-02-2011, 12:18 PM
avila,morgan,stinson and yes harden stood out for me lastnight.

jazzy
10-02-2011, 12:52 PM
im so fucking impressed with our youth its not even funny.

:hump:...Morgan amazed nullifying Richards aka(theWhiner),..Would like an earlier arrival of Henry, and was simply Stinson's best game

rocker
10-02-2011, 01:13 PM
At the very least, we won't have an off season where the team needs to be blown up. We'll need to acquire at least one central defender. I think most of the personnel moves will be extending contracts of guys like Kocic and Plata, shedding some dead weight, and protecting the right players in the expansion draft.

An off season with some optimism?

This is key (bolded). We have enough quality at most positions NOT to have to go out and turn over the roster again. And despite my complaints about fixture congestion, I think having the extra CCL games helped to give more time to develop some chemistry in the players, which would have been tougher otherwise (TFC had played the majority of the league games by the time Frings et al arrived). Winter and Mariner need to target a few key positions.

I also think if we'd had Cann and Williams in central defense all season we would have been somewhat better at the backend than going with Iro and Harden. So if those two are healthy and back to 100% next spring, the defense is better. But I'd still sign a solid free agent central defender who can pass. Then guys like Harden and Iro (if still around) become backups.

rocker
10-02-2011, 01:16 PM
BTw, I always like reading the opponent fans' comments on the match.... here's a selection from Big soccer from NYRB fans... gives some perspective:

Backe deserves his share of the blame no doubt, but the whole team played with no heart for 80 minutes. And then it was too late. Don't give a pass to guys who stunk up the pitch (and no it wasn't just Rafa).

We're 4 games out in a tight playoff race and Backe thinks its a good thing that the team can only wake up after conceding an easy goal? Rafa, Henry, and Lindpere were sleepwalking tonight, at least Henry woke up for the last half hour...

Backe's comments make me want to slap him to wake him up. He's been using the same lines over and over again: Red Bulls stink up the joint, go behind on a stupid goal, and then come back to tie. This is followed by Backe's stupid line about how is pleased that the Red Bulls came back. The reporters should yell BINGO! when he uses that line again.

God forbid! Don't give Clueless Hans any ideas.....LOL

I listen to his quotes and i sometimes thinks he knows nothing about the league. It seemed like the mindset was to get a point last night which makes no sense since that was the most winnable of the last 4. It makes me think he doesnt know who we play down the stretch or if they are good or bad teams. The passive approach last night was really hard to understand.

i wouldn't be surprised--remember the expose on Backe revealed that he does little to no game prep as far as watching game film is concerned. If you cant even be bothered to "do your homework" how the heck can he be expected to have the slightest clue what's going on in the league?

TFC is mediocre and we don't win. Sucks.

although i think new york has a better team there is no doubt that toronto is a very well coached team, with proper disposition in the field, with a sound defense, and winters know what he is doing, making in proper time the necessary adjustments with, i think, some players from toronto´s cantera. frings is a really good player, with a very good positioning, great timing and precision- perhaps in the corner that led to new york´s goal he could have made a better decision, but without him new york would had scored


I also blame Backe for the players with no effort.. Especially with Raffa. A coach like Kreis wouldn't take his crap and I think Backe allows him to be a asshole. I also bet Backe is congratulating the team after the game, I bet he's saying something along these lines, "We did a good job to get the point and were in a good position for the playoff win.." We better beat LA

Canary10
10-02-2011, 01:22 PM
We really need a central defender with Frings' confidence in playing the ball out from the back so he can go back to being a midfielder. All the other defenders leave it to him to do it .also think we need a back-up to Koevs who can play the last 20 or so of a game as a target man. We lose a lot when he goes out because we can't hold possession in the other end and see games out. Saw it last night and against Pumas.

TFC07
10-02-2011, 04:33 PM
I may get flamed for this, but I think TFC has the makings of a playoff team. They are good up top and in the midfield. Unfortunately, they get undone by at least one defensive brain fart per game. That was the one problem they couldn't fix in the transfer window.

The goal was well struck, but it seemed to me that there was blown coverage on the kick. It bounced to a wide open Henry in the box. It undid 85 minutes of good work.

The moves in the summer were upgrades at many positions. It's even to the point that when a substitution is announced, I'm not saying, "Oh no, not that guy." At the very least, we won't have an off season where the team needs to be blown up. We'll need to acquire at least one central defender. I think most of the personnel moves will be extending contracts of guys like Kocic and Plata, shedding some dead weight, and protecting the right players in the expansion draft.

An off season with some optimism?

I think a lot of people see it your way as well. This team just needs to fix their backline (Cann and Williams aren't answers to fix our backline) and get few forwards and mids (attacking mids) to really become a good team in MLS.

Borman sub I didn't like from Winter though. Not too sure why Winter wanted Borman on. I would rather have Martina up front than Borman.

starter
10-02-2011, 06:49 PM
JDG absence was felt, as of late he adds quality to the lineup. I also noticed that NY was too passive for the most of the game, but we were too indecisive to take control of the match.
I see the need to bring in some more accomplished individuals to CB, AM and perhaps winger positions

habstfc
10-02-2011, 11:59 PM
I thought tfc played well and controlled many parts of the match. Too bad we couldn't hang on for 3 and was disappointed we didn't, but I am not too upset.

New York on the other hand is a very unimpressive team. I think they have good talent but as a team are lacking, you wouldn't think they were fighting for their playoff lives based on the last half of the season. Marquez was invisible for the whole night. I forgot that he was even playing until about 20 minutes into the game.

Henry is a douche, I lost a lot of respect for the guy after his goal.

Ossington Mental Youth
10-03-2011, 05:41 AM
i forgot he was playing until he came off (marquez)

rocker
10-03-2011, 08:05 PM
New York on the other hand is a very unimpressive team. I think they have good talent but as a team are lacking,

Yeah, New York must win the award for "most underperforming team."

They are fighting for their playoff lives coming into the final few games... they are tied with Portland in points for the last spot... DC is lurking two points back. This is not the position most pundits had them finishing at. It's tarnished Backe's image after his first season, where he seemed to have MLS all figured out.

Detroit_TFC
10-03-2011, 10:33 PM
I wonder how much of their current woes stem back to their firing of Richie Williams back in February.

Yohan
10-03-2011, 10:43 PM
I wonder how much of their current woes stem back to their firing of Richie Williams back in February.
bingo.

Backe = fluke

Whoop
10-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Question I've been thinking about since last night.

If New York misses playoffs does Backe get fired?

Yohan
10-04-2011, 11:09 AM
Question I've been thinking about since last night.

If New York misses playoffs does Backe get fired?
I'd be very surprised if he isn't