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denime
08-04-2011, 05:33 AM
Mornin'



TFC TV (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp)



Winter: This Is The Beginning (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/08/winter-beginning)


Credit coach Winter for TFC's Champions League win (http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/03/credit-coach-winter-for-tfcs-champions-league-win)


Dallas To Meet Toronto In CCL (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/08/dallas-meet-toronto-ccl)


4-3-3 Critics And Their Notions (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/08/4-3-3-critics-and-their-notions)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl)

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denime
08-04-2011, 05:35 AM
4-3-3 Critics And Their Notions (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/08/4-3-3-critics-and-their-notions)



At the heart of the negativity is an inductive logical argument: TFC aren’t very good. They operate in a 4-3-3. Ergo, the 4-3-3 isn’t very good.

Well, there’s a team west of BMO Field that’s similarly stuck in a ditch. It’s Vancouver, and they’ve been chained to a 4-4-2 most of the year. Should we similarly conclude that a 4-4-2 doesn’t work in MLS? Same question for San Jose, who run a 4-4-2 through and through and are struggling mightily right now, having just lost another one at home.

Nicely said,you can have your say about 4-3-3 in here:

http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=29134

Wagner
08-04-2011, 05:48 AM
at 647am, the account manager is down, and with the first CCL game in 3 weeks, I suspect ticket pricing and invoices will be up later today.

London
08-04-2011, 06:06 AM
portland beat LA yesterday 3-0, didnt see that coming

London
08-04-2011, 06:08 AM
can anyone tell me if Santos can play against TFC in the champions league????

or because he played for TFC in the qualifiers, is he disqualified???

redcard
08-04-2011, 06:16 AM
can anyone tell me if Santos can play against TFC in the champions league????

or because he played for TFC in the qualifiers, is he disqualified???


did he play in the qualifiers? If he didnt then he is eligible.

scooter
08-04-2011, 06:26 AM
mornin d

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 07:38 AM
Sort of TFC related...what's our old friend Andy Welsh up too?
http://www.journallive.co.uk/newcastle-sports/football-news/2011/08/04/andy-welsh-still-rebuilding-after-time-at-sunderland-61634-29174414/

CoachGT
08-04-2011, 07:43 AM
portland beat LA yesterday 3-0, didnt see that coming

Watched this game. Portland dominated. Timbers Army was loud throughout. At one point, the announcers discussed supporters and the loud chants, whether they hurt a young team, pushing them at times when they should be more patient. Twellman disagreed, saying that the supporters energy goes right to the legs of their own team (and may bump up the opposition too). He went on to say that energy is never a bad thing.

nickio
08-04-2011, 08:08 AM
I think it says a bit more about Toronto's comeback in a hostile stadium- where Toronto dominated the 2nd half.

Detroit_TFC
08-04-2011, 08:54 AM
LA was shocking in the first half - zero shots. Talk about a change in fortunes - JPA looks lost. I think he gets released at the end of this season and leaves the league. Also, LD often looks uncomfortable when he plays too far up front. LA came out bright in the 2nd half w LD in mid but I think were waiting for Portland to fold. I don't think this one game makes LA crap but they were definitely not in good form. Ended their 14 game unbeaten streak.

Brooker
08-04-2011, 08:56 AM
can anyone tell me if Santos can play against TFC in the champions league????

or because he played for TFC in the qualifiers, is he disqualified???

I know he can't play in the next group...

Tim
08-04-2011, 09:06 AM
I know he can't play in the next group...

had he played against real esteli he would not be eligible but because he didn't he can play in the group matches. See FC Dallas website.

Bdking2
08-04-2011, 09:09 AM
The announcers before the second leg said that neither Santos or Avila would be cup tied for the tournament. I thought that meant they could play. The announcers could be wrong at any rate.

ManUtd4ever
08-04-2011, 09:10 AM
can anyone tell me if Santos can play against TFC in the champions league????

or because he played for TFC in the qualifiers, is he disqualified???

Santos was still a member of TFC, but he didn't play and wasn't in the lineup for the 1st leg of the qualifier, so he should be eligible to play for Dallas...



Lineups:
Toronto FC -- Milos Kocic, Andy Iro, Doneil Henry, Ashtone Morgan, Ryan Johnson (Javier Martina 78'), Danny Koevermans, Matthew Stinson (Julian de Guzman 73'), Nick Soolsma, Torsten Frings, Richard Eckersley, Gialuca Zavarise (Joao Plata 49')
Substitutes Not Used: Stefan Frei, Ty Harden, Danleigh Borman, Eddy Viator


Winter should have used him as a sub :P

rocker
08-04-2011, 09:11 AM
JPA looks lost. I think he gets released at the end of this season and leaves the league.

And I remember a few people in the offseason saying how awesome JPA is and how it'd be great to have him at TFC.
Others were cautioning the JPA fans that JPA is old, hadn't scored after a certain point last year in NY's season and should be avoided.

Looks like NYRB was correct in letting him go.

London
08-04-2011, 09:12 AM
sounds like he can then.

Darlofletch
08-04-2011, 09:22 AM
from the sun article.



With Esteli head coach Otoniel Olivas stating that the Nicaraguans were looking forward to playing on a hazardous pitch that appeared worse than most Toronto house league grounds, one has to wonder if small clubs should be allowed to purposely muck up a pitch before playing more technical Major League Soccer clubs.


I just wrote a blog piece about this yesterday, mainly focussing on the crowd, and how a small, tight stadium ful of boisterous home fans can give a good advantage and that if toronto can't prove it can do that in these three games they shouldn't get any of the canada games in the next round (http://www.wakingthered.com/2011/8/3/2342900/canada-needs-a-home-field-advantage-can-that-be-in-toronto), but also touching on the pitch issue.



As far as the pitch is concerned, TFC fans and players can be as critical as they want, but without making it a deathtrap, Esteli and other teams should be doing what they can to help themselves win. If that means ridiculously long grass, or a muddy and bouncy pitch that makes it difficult for the (theoretically) more talented team to play their natural game, then so be it. There's too much emphasis these days on having perfectly manicured pitches that allow the best players to play their best game, but a game like Tuesday night's really takes the game back to a less sterile and frankly more interesting time. A crappy pitch and a quirky stadium can be a great equaliser, (as an example look at how TFC's home record has worsened since the plastic pitch was ripped up, coincidence?) and pretty football be damned, any home team should be doing whatever it can to get a result. Also, all those things, and yes I'm going to include comically bad refereeing in this, make the game more interesting (even if you're the inconvenienced away team, a win that includes overcoming adversity has got to be more satisfying no?) so to Real Esteli and all the other small teams with imperfect stadiums, I salute you.

Oldtimer
08-04-2011, 09:37 AM
Santos was still a member of TFC, but he didn't play and wasn't in the lineup for the 1st leg of the qualifier, so he should be eligible to play for Dallas...



Winter should have used him as a sub :P

He's eligible, but the CONCACAF site implies that players can only be added to the roster at the Championship stage (i.e. quarter-finals). So he's not tied to TFC and can play for Dallas, but it won't be for the game against us (if I'm reading their rules correctly).

backbeat
08-04-2011, 09:38 AM
from the sun article.



I just wrote a blog piece about this yesterday, mainly focussing on the crowd, and how a small, tight stadium ful of boisterous home fans can give a good advantage and that if toronto can't prove it can do that in these three games they shouldn't get any of the canada games in the next round (http://www.wakingthered.com/2011/8/3/2342900/canada-needs-a-home-field-advantage-can-that-be-in-toronto), but also touching on the pitch issue.

As far as the pitch is concerned, TFC fans and players can be as critical as they want, but without making it a deathtrap, Esteli and other teams should be doing what they can to help themselves win. If that means ridiculously long grass, or a muddy and bouncy pitch that makes it difficult for the (theoretically) more talented team to play their natural game, then so be it. There's too much emphasis these days on having perfectly manicured pitches that allow the best players to play their best game, but a game like Tuesday night's really takes the game back to a less sterile and frankly more interesting time. A crappy pitch and a quirky stadium can be a great equaliser, (as an example look at how TFC's home record has worsened since the plastic pitch was ripped up, coincidence?) and pretty football be damned, any home team should be doing whatever it can to get a result. Also, all those things, and yes I'm going to include comically bad refereeing in this, make the game more interesting (even if you're the inconvenienced away team, a win that includes overcoming adversity has got to be more satisfying no?) so to Real Esteli and all the other small teams with imperfect stadiums, I salute you.

i can't agree with that at all - biased refs and shitty pitches done purposely to the advantage of the home team just to equalize the match? no thanks - i guess in hockey terms it would be ok to take a pick axe to the ice surface when a fast skating, quick passing team came to town?

boisterous supportive crowds - absolutely but play the game with quasi fair refs and an 'approved' pitch based on some kind of standard i think.

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Esteli and other teams should be doing what they can to help themselves win. If that means ridiculously long grass, or a muddy and bouncy pitch that makes it difficult for the (theoretically) more talented team to play their natural game, then so be it.

Can't agree with this. Small and imprefect is fine, but the pitch in Esteli seemed horrendous, it seriously effected the play of the game. There is no romance in that.

ManUtd4ever
08-04-2011, 09:52 AM
He's eligible, but the CONCACAF site implies that players can only be added to the roster at the Championship stage (i.e. quarter-finals). So he's not tied to TFC and can play for Dallas, but it won't be for the game against us (if I'm reading their rules correctly).

Oh, thanks for clarifying. Good news, as Santos would have probably bitten us in the ass.

Oldtimer
08-04-2011, 09:57 AM
Oh, thanks for clarifying. Good news, as Santos would have probably bitten us in the ass.

I double-checked.

Actually, under article 5, he can be added if Dallas didn't post a full roster to start with, so here's hoping.

http://www.concacaf.com/staticFiles/d1/3a/0,,12813~146129,00.pdf (http://www.concacaf.com/staticFiles/d1/3a/0,,12813%7E146129,00.pdf)

edit: he can't play, see this thread: http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=1355199#post1355199

Dbl_D
08-04-2011, 10:49 AM
I thought the grass was bad...

"Aside from the red laser pointer... Nicaraguan audience was surprisingly tame in terms of flying objects"

WTF

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 12:01 PM
I thought the grass was bad...

"Aside from the red laser pointer... Nicaraguan audience was surprisingly tame in terms of flying objects"

WTF

I've seen morons with laser pointers at BMO, one guy got booted 2 years ago.

They were tame, and I don't think its surprising. We are talking about Esteli, Nicaragua here, not exactly a hotbed of football passion. Just because they are central American and latino doesn't mean they will be throwning bags of piss and rocks.

CoachGT
08-04-2011, 12:41 PM
portland beat LA yesterday 3-0, didnt see that coming

Watched this game. Portland dominated. Timbers Army was loud throughout. At one point, the announcers discussed supporters and the loud chants, whether they hurt a young team, pushing them at times when they should be more patient. Twellman disagreed, saying that the supporters energy goes right to the legs of their own team (and may bump up the opposition too). He went on to say that energy is never a bad thing.

Ultra & Proud
08-04-2011, 01:04 PM
A wee piece on Torsten Frings.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&u=http://torstenfrings.com/2011/08/1-sportliche-zwischenbilanz-der-22-zahlen-und-wortspiele.html

dantdot
08-04-2011, 01:21 PM
Kinda off-topic but there's a USA-CAN rugby match Saturday at BMO.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/field-of-dreams-for-rugby-canada/article2118990/

Mmmmm, shredded pitch.

rocker
08-04-2011, 01:35 PM
Kinda off-topic but there's a USA-CAN rugby match Saturday at BMO.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/field-of-dreams-for-rugby-canada/article2118990/

Mmmmm, shredded pitch.

I don't watch rugby -- do they eat up fields as badly as CFL/NFL???

With the 6 new games to BMO (3 CCL, 3 Canada), in addition to 6 TFC league games + rugby, I count 13 matches in the next 13 weeks. The groundskeeper with be busy.

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 01:41 PM
I don't watch rugby -- do they eat up fields as badly as CFL/NFL???

With the 6 new games to BMO (3 CCL, 3 Canada), in addition to 6 TFC league games + rugby, I count basically 13 matches in the next 13 weeks. The groundskeeper with be busy.

Field's usually get pretty beat up from Rugby, that said BMO is a pretty good pitch and should withstand this fine.

Get down to BMO and support Canada, this will be a fantastic match!!
:canada:

Carts
08-04-2011, 01:45 PM
Kinda off-topic but there's a USA-CAN rugby match Saturday at BMO.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/field-of-dreams-for-rugby-canada/article2118990/

Mmmmm, shredded pitch.

I'll be on the field Saturday (Dear God no not playing!) so I'll let you know the condition of the field Saturday night / Sunday...

menefreghista
08-04-2011, 01:45 PM
We'll probably spend the rest of the season bitching about how the rugby game ruined the pitch.

Its suppose to rain Saturday too.

mastermixer
08-04-2011, 01:51 PM
We'll probably spend the rest of the season bitching about how the rugby game ruined the pitch.

Its suppose to rain Saturday too.

Yup... I smell another PR nightmare for TFC trying to justify why rugby is being played there. I hate to say it but I wish MLSE actually owned the stadium.

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 01:54 PM
Rugby was always intended to be played there but with the plastic pitch it wasn't possible. You won't get much sympathy from Rugby folk, this is a pretty significant match for Canada and it definitely won't be the last at BMO. The pitch will be fine, TFC isn't back home till next week.

Oldtimer
08-04-2011, 01:58 PM
A wee piece on Torsten Frings.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&u=http://torstenfrings.com/2011/08/1-sportliche-zwischenbilanz-der-22-zahlen-und-wortspiele.html

Look at the comments... he has a rabid fanbase.

menefreghista
08-04-2011, 02:06 PM
The pitch will be fine, TFC isn't back home till next week.

I don't think you can be so certain.

The pitch MIGHT be fine. But the chance that it is torn apart does exist.

Oldtimer
08-04-2011, 02:09 PM
Can't be any worse than the Esteli pitch, lol.

mastermixer
08-04-2011, 02:41 PM
I don't think you can be so certain.

The pitch MIGHT be fine. But the chance that it is torn apart does exist.

Rain during that game would kill the field. It would be hard not to tear a field up playing rugby while its raining.

mdc 77
08-04-2011, 03:08 PM
On the topic of the pitch, fly half Ander Monro;


Monro, for one, is welcoming the chance to play on the well-manicured turf at BMO Field.
"I wouldn't say I'm a pitch snob but I do really enjoy a nice ground," he said. "And this pitch here looks immaculate."

PopePouri
08-04-2011, 03:16 PM
Look at the comments... he has a rabid fanbase.

The rabid fanbase is probably voting for Frings for MOTM on torontofc.ca. He's beating Ryan Johnson.

Detroit_TFC
08-04-2011, 03:36 PM
Field's usually get pretty beat up from Rugby, that said BMO is a pretty good pitch and should withstand this fine.

Get down to BMO and support Canada, this will be a fantastic match!!
:canada:

Should be ok unless it rains before, in that case I'd be worried. I was looking forward coming into town for this match, but had to change my plans.

Mr. Bigby
08-04-2011, 09:05 PM
Look at the comments... he has a rabid fanbase.



I'm not quite sure what to make of the "Mein Lollipop!" messages, but each to their own, I guess...:rolleyes: