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Boondaddy
06-27-2011, 11:01 PM
This sounds interesting....


Koevermans close to signing with TFC


by Duane Rollins
Published on 06-27-2011 10:20 PM Comments
A Dutch news source is reporting that PSV striker Danny Koevermans is flying to Toronto today (Tuesday) to meet with TFC. It's expected that the striker will sign a contract with the club.

He's out of contract at the end of the month and does not require a transfer fee.

In the report, Koevermans says that he is looking to move to MLS to escape the media attention in Holland. He was linked to Birmingham City, but interest there waned after the club dropped to the Championship.

There is no word on what terms TFC is willing to give Koevermans, but he is expected to command a low-end DP salary.

Please let this be true...

Boondaddy
06-27-2011, 11:03 PM
Escape the media attention...in TO? LOL

CretanBull
06-27-2011, 11:04 PM
This rumour has been floating around for a while now, although its news that he's actually flown into Toronto.

TFCRegina
06-27-2011, 11:07 PM
Super excited. According to wiki, he has 4 caps at the senior international level.

That means he's twice as good as Mista!

razor787
06-27-2011, 11:11 PM
He was linked to Birmingham City, but interest there waned after the club dropped to the Championship.

He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

ArmenJBX
06-27-2011, 11:15 PM
Super excited. According to wiki, he has 4 caps at the senior international level.

That means he's twice as good as Mista!

Yes but Spain is better than Holland, so Mista's 2 caps for Spain is worth Koeverman's 4 caps for Holland.

Boondaddy
06-27-2011, 11:15 PM
He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

ARON WINTER.

TFCRegina
06-27-2011, 11:15 PM
He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

It also has match congestion the whole season and is extremely physical. It`s a hard league on the body. Sigh, we're a retirement plan again.

Nicholas982
06-27-2011, 11:23 PM
Great news. I just wiki'd the guy's career numbers, you have to figure that he's good for 10-15 goals if healthy over a 34-game schedule for another 2-3 years. IF he pans out, obviously, and doesn't view this as a retirement tour.

He'll take a DP slot obviously, but who cares? We'll still have two left once DeGuz leaves this offseason.

CSO_BBTB
06-27-2011, 11:28 PM
He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

Birmingham's manager resigned and moved to their local rivals Aston Villa who are in the Premiership and are usually in Europa League qualification sort of territory. Next guy in the Birmingham City job will have a different set of signing targets, while Alex McLeish may also have adjusted his plans due to (this could make me very unpopular with some people :hide: ) being at a larger club now.

Super
06-27-2011, 11:28 PM
He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

Most definitely. But I'm pretty sure that part of the reason for coming here is also for a different lifestyle. Sure, the media does look at TFC, but it's nothing compared to what he's used to. He'll be able to go out, take his kids to movies, go to restaurants, and not have to worry about rowdy football fans who may support "the other team in town". The "worst" he'll have to deal with is some random TFC supporter wanting to shake his hand. Also, he'll get a good pay cheque. Sounds like a good decision to me.

NBS
06-27-2011, 11:29 PM
Great news. I just wiki'd the guy's career numbers, you have to figure that he's good for 10-15 goals if healthy over a 34-game schedule for another 2-3 years.


I've heard that sort of talk before. I'll believe it when I see it.

Nicholas982
06-28-2011, 12:09 AM
I've heard that sort of talk before. I'll believe it when I see it.

I suppose you didn't read the qualifier I included right after that sentence, huh? :cool:

NBS
06-28-2011, 02:07 AM
I suppose you didn't read the qualifier I included right after that sentence, huh? :cool:

The thing is, I didn't necessarily see the second part of your statement as a qualifier for the first.

Even if he does take it seriously, that doesn't mean he can produce a high goal scoring rate as there must be a reason for there being little interest out there for his services at higher levels. His goal scoring rate fell off last year. Maybe that had something to do with his minutes and the way they utilized him, but he may not be capable of putting up a high goal total in MLS, even if he fits in and works hard.

TFCRegina
06-28-2011, 02:21 AM
Yes but Spain is better than Holland, so Mista's 2 caps for Spain is worth Koeverman's 4 caps for Holland.

Pfft, They're better but there's not that huge of a difference. The difference between the top 2 or 3 teams in the world is a mistake or two a game.

Regardless, I predict Danny will score 2 goals for TFC, both in CONCACAF play.

Why?

Well, 2 x 0 = 0
2 x 1 = 2

Twice the player that Mista was.

You heard it here first.

TFC The Hague
06-28-2011, 02:50 AM
From Holland I congratulate you with this transfer :)

Proven goalscorer, works hard for the team. He's the Eredivisie equivalent of Alan Gordon (with twice the goals scored) but was not happy at PSV, usually used as a late game substitute.

Danny Koevermans was a fan's favourite in his Sparta and AZ years. The fan's always chanted his name using the chorus from this song by Boney M:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5gNYVia2rg

Instead of 'Daddy Cool', they sang 'Danny Koef' (phonetic: 'danny koof')

So, I hope he'll be very happy in Toronto, for a happy Danny Koevermans guarantees you a lot of goals and a hard working spirit...

Greetings from The Hague.

Suds
06-28-2011, 04:52 AM
^^
if he brings a strong work ethic on the field that's a good start. He will need it with this team.

If this signing happens I just hope it pans out to the level a signing like Ecks has. We need a few more signings like that for this team.

KRO
06-28-2011, 05:26 AM
Birmingham's manager resigned and moved to their local rivals Aston Villa who are in the Premiership and are usually in Europa League qualification sort of territory. Next guy in the Birmingham City job will have a different set of signing targets, while Alex McLeish may also have adjusted his plans due to (this could make me very unpopular with some people :hide: ) being at a larger club now.

Stay under the chair!:incazzato:

Blowing Bubbles
06-28-2011, 06:15 AM
He does realize the Championship is a better league than MLS, right?

Maybe he doesn't give a shit and just wants to get paid

kodiakTFC
06-28-2011, 07:14 AM
I'm always in favor of strikers being brought in.

Brooker
06-28-2011, 07:25 AM
Maybe he doesn't give a shit and just wants to get paid

This place is too optimistic sometimes. :drinking:

I hope he likes to SHOOT!

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 08:01 AM
Looking forward to seeing what dude can bring to the team. If Mariner and Winter think hes worthy, then I feel like something is there. Lets get a creative mid, a CB and a LB next!

gmacpheetfc
06-28-2011, 08:04 AM
pretty legit in fm

sully
06-28-2011, 08:09 AM
From Holland I congratulate you with this transfer :)

Proven goalscorer, works hard for the team. .

sounds like he's worth a go

REDJUVE
06-28-2011, 08:11 AM
Since no one has thrown in the standard "He'll rip this league apart" comment.... I have a good feeling about this:)

menefreghista
06-28-2011, 08:12 AM
Are we planning to move to a 2 striker system?

Don't get me wrong, I want the team to improve at each position if it can. But if this moves comes to fruition it means less playing time for our 2 other only real scoring options, Gordon and Santos. Both Gordon and Santos are having career years.

ManUtd4ever
06-28-2011, 08:14 AM
Koevermans has the potential to fill a significant void in TFC's lineup as injuries have left the squad thin up front.

Next up, a solid attacking midfielder...

Globetrotter
06-28-2011, 08:19 AM
how do we get him the ball? our defense sucks, and the midfield can't get the ball up. Gordan and Santos aren't miracle workers, but they do score when given the chance. I have a feeling this new guy will be in the same boat.

ag futbol
06-28-2011, 08:28 AM
how do we get him the ball? our defense sucks, and the midfield can't get the ball up. Gordan and Santos aren't miracle workers, but they do score when given the chance. I have a feeling this new guy will be in the same boat.
I agree, I see that as the same stumbling block.

For anyone who watched the gold cup, I think Ramon Nunez would be a good target. Attacking mid who can spread the ball around, has played in MLS before ... currently on the books at Leeds but he was loaned to Scunthorpe. Mid 20's ....

brad
06-28-2011, 08:29 AM
how do we get him the ball? our defense sucks, and the midfield can't get the ball up. Gordan and Santos aren't miracle workers, but they do score when given the chance. I have a feeling this new guy will be in the same boat.

I wouldn't assume this is the only signing of the window.

Gordon also holds the ball up up front which allows other players to come into the play more. That is one of, if not the reason we are a better team with him in it. If Koverman's holds the ball well, this will be good.

brad
06-28-2011, 08:32 AM
Koevermans has the potential to fill a significant void in TFC's lineup as injuries have left the squad thin up front.

Next up, a solid attacking midfielder...

I don't like the reliance on Gordon due to his injuries, and the I honestly don't have faith that he will maintain the level of performance that he has shown so far based on his past (although I hope I am wrong).

Regardless, if this player is an upgrade on Gordon, I'm all for it.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 08:40 AM
yeah gotta say regardless of how well Gordon has played this year hes been playing infrequently due to injuries.
I too would be shocked if this was the only signing during the transfer window, especially with our situation in defense. Dont think for a second Winter/Mariner dont see it as well, we arent dealing Mo here.

__wowza
06-28-2011, 08:43 AM
Most definitely. But I'm pretty sure that part of the reason for coming here is also for a different lifestyle. Sure, the media does look at TFC, but it's nothing compared to what he's used to. He'll be able to go out, take his kids to movies, go to restaurants, and not have to worry about rowdy football fans who may support "the other team in town". The "worst" he'll have to deal with is some random TFC supporter wanting to shake his hand. Also, he'll get a good pay cheque. Sounds like a good decision to me.


never thought about it like that..
in addition to being a good league to end your career in, they can also bring up youth prospects without the potential distractions and hype the media can provide overseas.

Gazza
06-28-2011, 08:56 AM
Maybe Winter is finally acquiescing to a kick and run style.

Just completely bypass our midfield.

rocker
06-28-2011, 09:04 AM
looks like a decent move. I don't know squat about this guy, but his scoring rate is very good (almost 1 in 2 over his career, which is much higher than Hassli's scoring rate in Europe... and most people consider Hassli a solid addition to MLS). As always though, I'll wait and see until he's actually on the field to judge him.

This is kind of an under-the-radar kind of signing. Not a big marketing type signing of a DP. Although it seems MLS teams are going for this more often than the big DP signing (Becks, Blanco) type.

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 09:07 AM
hope this is true - at 6'3" he'll certainly have a presence, and he may command the game well enough to inspire some others on the team.
this would be sweet - mind you i thought stevanovic (sp?) would have the same immediate impact...

but we really really suck ass right now and need some new blood.

bangersandmash
06-28-2011, 09:08 AM
I just watched a bunch of highlights of his on YouTube and so many of his goals came off of well-weighted balls in from the wing. He does seem to poach in the box though. (I reworded that sentance 5 times and it still sounds dirty!)

tfcleeds
06-28-2011, 09:09 AM
No doubt he brings quality to the squad in a much-needed area, but I just find it hard to be enthusiastic about it when we are lacking in so many other areas.

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 09:14 AM
^ agree - we need MAJOR help in the middle nevermind the back.
its a start though? more to come i hope- very soon!!!

jabbronies
06-28-2011, 09:21 AM
hope this is true - at 6'3" he'll certainly have a presence, and he may command the game well enough to inspire some others on the team.
this would be sweet - mind you i thought stevanovic (sp?) would have the same immediate impact...

but we really really suck ass right now and need some new blood.

Stevanovic was good. If people actually watched him and what he was doing as part of a bigger picture, he moved the ball well and held on to it longer than anyone on the team. The reason he held on to it??? To pass off to an open forward, which we never had.

Now our problem will be having someone to get the ball to Koevermans. I'm not sure we have players who can do that....do we?

rocker
06-28-2011, 09:22 AM
No doubt he brings quality to the squad in a much-needed area, but I just find it hard to be enthusiastic about it when we are lacking in so many other areas.

well, it better not be the only signing this transfer window!

i do feel, however, that scoring goals has been our #1 problem since the 2007 scoreless streaks. with all these damn ties a goal here or there could be the difference between tying and winning. I hope this guy can produce.

BS1327
06-28-2011, 09:23 AM
Can't believe this hasn't been said yet...

He'll tear this league apart!!!

On a serious note, I think he'd work well, espececially with Soolsma on the wing delivering to the middle.

maninb
06-28-2011, 09:26 AM
Looks like he hits the ball equally well with both feet too....something Gordon and Santos are incapable of doing...nice...

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 09:27 AM
thats my point - i liked the guy but was disappointed when he wasn't able to be effective the player im sure he can be. it was obvious he had strong skills, but in the end didn't do much. for a number of reasons im sure not just that his teamates didn't help.

Carts
06-28-2011, 09:28 AM
Stevanovic was good. If people actually watched him and what he was doing as part of a bigger picture, he moved the ball well and held on to it longer than anyone on the team. The reason he held on to it??? To pass off to an open forward, which we never had.

Now our problem will be having someone to get the ball to Koevermans. I'm not sure we have players who can do that....do we?

I thought that was "The JDG Excuse"...???

Stevanovic was not good...

I hope this lad comes in and plays like Hassli does...

Watch Hassli and you see he plays "NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL"...

If he's not getting service, he busts his ass back and tries to win the ball for himself...

He's earned his share of cards and stupid fouls doing so - but he's also won alot of balls, put'em in the net and at least been dangerous for Vancouver...

Its time in Toronto that guys play NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL...

Carts...

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 09:29 AM
Stevanovic was good. If people actually watched him and what he was doing as part of a bigger picture, he moved the ball well and held on to it longer than anyone on the team. The reason he held on to it??? To pass off to an open forward, which we never had.

Now our problem will be having someone to get the ball to Koevermans. I'm not sure we have players who can do that....do we?


meant to quote:): thats my point - i liked the guy but was disappointed when he wasn't able to be the effective player im sure he can be. it was obvious he had strong skills, but in the end didn't do much. for a number of reasons im sure not just that his teamates didn't help.

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 09:30 AM
I thought that was "The JDG Excuse"...???

Stevanovic was not good...

I hope this lad comes in and plays like Hassli does...

Watch Hassli and you see he plays "NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL"...

If he's not getting service, he busts his ass back and tries to win the ball for himself...

He's earned his share of cards and stupid fouls doing so - but he's also won alot of balls, put'em in the net and at least been dangerous for Vancouver...

Its time in Toronto that guys play NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL...

Carts...

yes yes

PopePouri
06-28-2011, 09:35 AM
Stevanovic was good. If people actually watched him and what he was doing as part of a bigger picture, he moved the ball well and held on to it longer than anyone on the team. The reason he held on to it??? To pass off to an open forward, which we never had.

Now our problem will be having someone to get the ball to Koevermans. I'm not sure we have players who can do that....do we?

I don't think Gordon has been scoring goals because of his Messi-like skills.

Cashcleaner
06-28-2011, 09:37 AM
Dear fellow TFC supporters,

Please start raising the bar just a littler higher.

Seriously, I think Koevermans could have a place on this club, but would it really be a good use of a DP slot? I don't think so. If we're going to use it, then go all-out with it! The last thing we want is to pull another "Mista". And hey, I'm not knocking the guy. Not a bad strike rate and the dutch league is respectable, but we need to think bigger when it comes to using a resource such as the DP allocation. An average of 8.5 goals a season for the past four seasons isn't exactly stellar. Not terrible, but less than we should expect for the price we're likely to pay. We got more for less outta DeRo.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 09:39 AM
I dunno, i see Koevermans being akin to JPA to be honest.
Also dude plays the same style Winter has been pushing so its an easy fit.
I dont see how Koevermans is not looking up.

Fort York Redcoat
06-28-2011, 09:42 AM
m1LdvKiTQuU

Let's just watch some highlights. Highlights are fun.

TFC The Hague
06-28-2011, 09:57 AM
Oww yeah and of course, let me just say:

he'll tear your league apart.

Suds
06-28-2011, 09:58 AM
I know it's a highlight reel which shows all his best, but at least it looks like the guy likes to shoot from outside the box. Something we could use for sure.

ManUtd4ever
06-28-2011, 10:02 AM
Career statistics

Season Club Competition Matches Goals
200001 Sparta Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_Rotterdam)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 4 0
200102 Sparta Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_Rotterdam)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 23 7
200203 Sparta Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_Rotterdam)Eerste Divisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerste_Divisie) 34 25
200304 Sparta Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_Rotterdam)Eerste Divisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerste_Divisie) 20 15
200405 Sparta Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_Rotterdam)Eerste Divisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerste_Divisie) 29 24
200506 AZ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZ_(football_club))Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 21 9
200607 AZ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZ_(football_club))Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 31 22
200708 PSV Eindhoven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSV_Eindhoven)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 29 14
200809 PSV Eindhoven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSV_Eindhoven)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 26 8
200910 PSV Eindhoven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSV_Eindhoven)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 22 11
201011 PSV Eindhoven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSV_Eindhoven)Eredivisie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie) 14 1

'Total 253 136

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 10:19 AM
Dear fellow TFC supporters,

Please start raising the bar just a littler higher.

Seriously, I think Koevermans could have a place on this club, but would it really be a good use of a DP slot? I don't think so. If we're going to use it, then go all-out with it! The last thing we want is to pull another "Mista". And hey, I'm not knocking the guy. Not a bad strike rate and the dutch league is respectable, but we need to think bigger when it comes to using a resource such as the DP allocation. An average of 8.5 goals a season for the past four seasons isn't exactly stellar. Not terrible, but less than we should expect for the price we're likely to pay. We got more for less outta DeRo.

i think it's a dillusion if people think great players are lining up to play here, never mind in the mls. not being a hater but it seems unrealistic and a sad truth IMO.

Carts
06-28-2011, 10:26 AM
i think it's a dillusion if people think great players are lining up to play here, never mind in the mls. not being a hater but it seems unrealistic and a sad truth IMO.

No, you're 100% right...

You have to find that player that is good enough to be difference maker here - but not so good that he has offers from higher leagues...

This could be one of the toughest leagues to scout and GM in because its not a case of finding "the best available" - you really do have to find "the best fit" not just for your team, but the league, etc etc etc

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 10:38 AM
sorta the situation right now, Birmingham City offered him a position and he declined. We may have gotten in at the right time

TOBOR !
06-28-2011, 10:52 AM
this thead - blah blah blah.. some guy, rumoured/signed, arrives, fans excited, doesn't deliver, leaves.. Seen it all before, and before that. I'll wait until there's something to be excited about before bothering to get excited. Let me see some results, otherwise, this is year one of a three year rebuild (at least).

More 'meh' dead ahead, if you ask me.

Cashcleaner
06-28-2011, 10:56 AM
i think it's a dillusion if people think great players are lining up to play here, never mind in the mls. not being a hater but it seems unrealistic and a sad truth IMO.

I don't think there is a mass exodus just waiting to happen, but consider what Henry, Schelotto, Montero, and Angel have brought to their respective clubs. There are top-quality players out there willing to play in MLS. Admittedly, we may have to pay a premium to entice them up to Toronto, but they're there.

Roogsy
06-28-2011, 11:01 AM
I don't think there is a mass exodus just waiting to happen, but consider what Henry, Schelotto, Montero, and Angel have brought to their respective clubs. There are top-quality players out there willing to play in MLS. Admittedly, we may have to pay a premium to entice them up to Toronto, but they're there.


Bang on.

And there have been some pretty good names available to TFC, it's just that MoJo screwed the pooch when the opportunity came up.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 11:02 AM
that was him then, this is Winter/Mariner now.

Roogsy
06-28-2011, 11:04 AM
that was him then, this is Winter/Mariner now.


I am not commenting on anything other than the fact that big names ARE available to TFC. The argument that big name players are not willing to come to TFC is false. Whether the previous management or current management does what it takes to bring them is a different story. But it's not because players won't come here.

Alixir
06-28-2011, 11:06 AM
It also has match congestion the whole season and is extremely physical. It`s a hard league on the body. its only hard on the body because of all the rolling around on the pitch.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-28-2011, 11:08 AM
I am not commenting on anything other than the fact that big names ARE available to TFC. The argument that big name players are not willing to come to TFC is false. Whether the previous management or current management does what it takes to bring them is a different story. But it's not because players won't come here.

Fair enough.
Id be curious to see what their demands are as well as whether theyd fit into our current coaches system.

jabbronies
06-28-2011, 11:23 AM
I am not commenting on anything other than the fact that big names ARE available to TFC. The argument that big name players are not willing to come to TFC is false. Whether the previous management or current management does what it takes to bring them is a different story. But it's not because players won't come here.

Sounds like you know something we don't know... any names of players who would want to come here?

brad
06-28-2011, 11:25 AM
Fair enough.
Id be curious to see what their demands are as well as whether theyd fit into our current coaches system.

And whether or not management thinks that a big name player can play well enough to justify make 10x what the rest of the team makes in order to not piss the rest of squad off and kill morale even further.

Dreadlocks
06-28-2011, 11:29 AM
If this comes true, my only concern would be that Gordon has earned the right to start if he's healthy as the target striker.

Wouldn't be fair to to sit either player imo so what will Winter do?

Also, doesn't this signing push our 'captain' down on the depth chart? I don't think he's effective enough at attacking mid and would rather see him up top but now he'll be behind both Gordon and Koevermans at that position.

menefreghista
06-28-2011, 11:31 AM
Also, doesn't this signing push our 'captain' down on the depth chart? I don't think he's effective enough at attacking mid and would rather see him up top but now he'll be behind both Gordon and Koevermans at that position.

I think this would solidify Santos as our AM (barring other moves). And I agree, I hate using Santos there. Love using him up front in a poacher's role.

brad
06-28-2011, 11:33 AM
If this comes true, my only concern would be that Gordon has earned the right to start if he's healthy as the target striker.

Wouldn't be fair to to sit either player imo so what will Winter do?

Also, doesn't this signing push our 'captain' down on the depth chart? I don't think he's effective enough at attacking mid and would rather see him up top but now he'll be behind both Gordon and Koevermans at that position.

It's called competition for places, and as long as the new guy doesn't get a pass based on his name or contract status, this is a good thing.

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 11:40 AM
I don't think there is a mass exodus just waiting to happen, but consider what Henry, Schelotto, Montero, and Angel have brought to their respective clubs. There are top-quality players out there willing to play in MLS. Admittedly, we may have to pay a premium to entice them up to Toronto, but they're there.


and beckham, ljungberg. yes those are a few names who have created an opportunity here - but few is my point exactly. that leaves little left to go around for everyone to get all picky about. im not saying tfc has helped their cause with this over the years, and mista was indeed an example of gambling and failing.

but my point of very few GOOD/GREAT players waiting to play in this league - especially tfc perhaps - is a reality and we have to consider that when judging who we could get versus who we think we could get.

Roogsy
06-28-2011, 11:43 AM
Sounds like you know something we don't know... any names of players who would want to come here?

I was referring to players during the MoJo era. Those opportunities are no longer current.

I have heard rumours this year but nothing concrete. Koeverman's name has been bandied around for some time but to be honest, I have made something of an effort to start drawing away from TFC related personnel issues. It's becoming a waste of my time with very little upside. So I have somewhat avoided trying to find news about TFC movements. I have to concentrate on the profitable side of my sports business and TFC is not it.

Gazza
06-28-2011, 11:45 AM
If this comes true, my only concern would be that Gordon has earned the right to start if he's healthy as the target striker.

Wouldn't be fair to to sit either player imo so what will Winter do?

Also, doesn't this signing push our 'captain' down on the depth chart? I don't think he's effective enough at attacking mid and would rather see him up top but now he'll be behind both Gordon and Koevermans at that position.

Gordon is one of the only players to have impressed me this year, but his injury problems have to be a concern. And competition is never a bad thing. Who knows, Winter might be able to fit them in to the line-up together.

By the way, De Ro is old and washed up but Koevermans isn't?

Cashcleaner
06-28-2011, 12:03 PM
Gordon is one of the only players to have impressed me this year, but his injury problems have to be a concern. And competition is never a bad thing. Who knows, Winter might be able to fit them in to the line-up together.

By the way, De Ro is old and washed up but Koevermans isn't?

Odd how that sorta thing goes, eh? :facepalm:

brad
06-28-2011, 12:13 PM
Gordon is one of the only players to have impressed me this year, but his injury problems have to be a concern. And competition is never a bad thing. Who knows, Winter might be able to fit them in to the line-up together.

By the way, De Ro is old and washed up but Koevermans isn't?

How long are the respective contracts? That's the real question. Having either one on the payroll at or around the full cap hit now is likely to be beneficial (assumingKoevermans isn't a flop).Having either of them around in 3-4 years on the same salary presents a significant risk.

Beach_Red
06-28-2011, 12:47 PM
I thought that was "The JDG Excuse"...???

Stevanovic was not good...

I hope this lad comes in and plays like Hassli does...

Watch Hassli and you see he plays "NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL"...

If he's not getting service, he busts his ass back and tries to win the ball for himself...

He's earned his share of cards and stupid fouls doing so - but he's also won alot of balls, put'em in the net and at least been dangerous for Vancouver...

Its time in Toronto that guys play NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL...

Carts...


Yeah, this is really it. it's much more about attitude than anything else in MLS.

This is why all this talk of systems and cultures is silly. We've known for years what the team needs is more Danny Dichio attiude, more NO EXCUSE FOOTBALL...

mastermixer
06-28-2011, 12:56 PM
m1LdvKiTQuU

Let's just watch some highlights. Highlights are fun.

So I watched the highlights of this guy... and I'm a little worried. Yes he had a good strike rate, but seems that he relies almost consistently on getting a good pass fed to him for an easy shot on goal. Hasn't the lack of this been our problem since pretty much day one?

I'll old off on the excitement until I see who they sign as an AM for him to play with.

Boondaddy
06-28-2011, 01:12 PM
Looks like he hits the ball equally well with both feet too....something Gordon and Santos are incapable of doing...nice...

and based on his youtube, he can pick the corners of the net nicely....something that this team has not been able to do AT ALL.

Menelaos
06-28-2011, 01:15 PM
and based on his youtube..


I seriously hope our players are picked with a little more than what is on youtube...

Jenkins12
06-28-2011, 01:23 PM
I seriously hope our players are picked with a little more than what is on youtube...

Ofcourse they are, but as fans the only video footage we can get is on youtube.

Boondaddy
06-28-2011, 01:39 PM
I seriously hope our players are picked with a little more than what is on youtube...

the thing is....I don't get to pick the players for TFC. I've tried but no one is listening...

akoto
06-28-2011, 03:23 PM
I can confirm that Danny just walked into the ACC through Gate 2 with Paul Mariner and a couple of suits.

DangerRed
06-28-2011, 03:25 PM
I can confirm that Danny just walked into the ACC through Gate 2 with Paul Mariner and a couple of suits.

Nice.

flatpicker
06-28-2011, 03:27 PM
^ Signed by the Leafs?

Suds
06-28-2011, 03:28 PM
sounds like this is happening ... timing is still Jul 1st before they can officially sign someone though, right?

Nuvinho
06-28-2011, 03:32 PM
July 15th.

flatpicker
06-28-2011, 03:37 PM
^ 15th?
Ahhhhh... come on!
We need help now!

Auzzy
06-28-2011, 04:04 PM
We need rain-outs from now until July 15th.

And we need more than Danny; hopefully also a CB & an AM?

The rate we've been going, I'm really not worried about having too many players that can hit the goal. I think Winter has realized that Gordon and Santos aren't necessarily 90-minute guys for every game. Gordon has been injured more often than not. Even Santos, I was wondering if he was carrying a bit of a knock in the last game; seemed to be doing even more slo-mo jogging than normal. Santos is also a great super-sub, and Koef may need time to get fully game fit.

Plus if we make it past Vancouver next weekend, we need ALOT more quality depth for the CCL. I'm also not so worried about service to a guy like Koef (or Gordon, when he's healthy). One of the things that has been working better this year IMO, is crosses into the box. Soolsma, Borman, and Eckersley can all put in an (MLS-) quality cross; even Plata and Martina sometimes. But the crosses are totally wasted if Gordon isn't playing or is heavily marked. Hopefully Koef can help in the box, and a new AM can add some service up the middle...

And to the folks saying, Stevanovic would have done better if our forwards could get open: how would Stev have known they are open? He was always staring at his feet or the ball.

jloome
06-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I am not commenting on anything other than the fact that big names ARE available to TFC. The argument that big name players are not willing to come to TFC is false. Whether the previous management or current management does what it takes to bring them is a different story. But it's not because players won't come here.

This is illogical. We've never had a big player come here, so you can't definitively say they'd come here. You can say they've said they'd come here, but that's not the same thing as actually doing it.

So far, they haven't. So you can't rule out that they won't.

Pigfynn
06-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I can confirm that Danny just walked into the ACC through Gate 2 with Paul Mariner and a couple of suits.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gu1wlAwdunU/TGIb7VMA-tI/AAAAAAAAA9k/HDCHIsOAn0k/s400/free-MrBurnsExcellent.gif

jloome
06-28-2011, 04:21 PM
So I watched the highlights of this guy... and I'm a little worried. Yes he had a good strike rate, but seems that he relies almost consistently on getting a good pass fed to him for an easy shot on goal. Hasn't the lack of this been our problem since pretty much day one?


No, it hasn't.

P-NUTZ
06-28-2011, 04:23 PM
And to the folks saying, Stevanovic would have done better if our forwards could get open: how would Stev have known they are open? He was always staring at his feet or the ball.[/quote]


now THATS funny!

habstfc
06-28-2011, 05:00 PM
If he does sign here, can they announce it now or do they have to wait to officially announce it on july 15th?

brad
06-28-2011, 05:06 PM
If he does sign here, can they announce it now or do they have to wait to officially announce it on july 15th?

There should be nothing stopping them from announcing it. He can't play until the MLS transfer window opens, but there are no regulations on announcements. If I recall correctly, we have announced players in this way before.

Of course, in typical MLS fashion, it won't get officially announced until days after the signing, but it will be announced on all other main channels.

rocktml
06-28-2011, 05:12 PM
I miss Vitti

prizby
06-28-2011, 05:30 PM
he is gonna rip this league apart...Thierry Henry pfffft!

A.J
06-28-2011, 07:35 PM
m1LdvKiTQuU

Let's just watch some highlights. Highlights are fun.

Funny how there only seems to be one header in that entire clip from such a tall guy.

19Barrett19
06-28-2011, 07:40 PM
Just found out why his goal production was down last season. In September 2009 he suffered a bruised chin and missed 9 days of action.. In January 2010 he suffered a fractured wrist and missed 6 weeks.. Then in march of 2010 he suffered a damaged heal and missed another 20 days.

Looks to me like he was a little unlucky and fell out if favor with the first team...
Still managed to play in 22 matches and tally 11 goals the following season in 2011 got less playing time. I think hes going to be twice the hassli and a fan fav ... YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

May i add ... He's gonna tear this league a new one!

rocker
06-28-2011, 08:32 PM
ahh, gotta love the positivity on these boards!!! ;)

I remember when people on here were saying Freddy Montero would score 20+ goals in a season!!!

Cashcleaner
06-28-2011, 08:42 PM
^ He did score over 20 goals in 55 games or so when first on loan to the Sounders. That's not a bad record by any stretch.

arsenal
06-28-2011, 08:43 PM
Funny how there only seems to be one header in that entire clip from such a tall guy.

Well here is another highlight reel and there are 4 or 5 header goals in there for you :)

kQsFRNSCECs

Cashcleaner
06-28-2011, 08:49 PM
I can confirm that Danny just walked into the ACC through Gate 2 with Paul Mariner and a couple of suits.

Hrmmm...

Hey, if this guy can pull a Hassli and rack up a goal every two games I'll be happy. More than happy, actually. Right now though, I'm sorta m'eh about the whole deal (if it is confirmed, of course).

QSIM
06-28-2011, 09:12 PM
Woo! Playoffs! Woo!
!
!
!
lolz.

ag futbol
06-28-2011, 09:42 PM
^ He did score over 20 goals in 55 games or so when first on loan to the Sounders. That's not a bad record by any stretch.
To further that, I looked back at the montero threads and I didn't see that number in there anywhere. Some people went mid to high teens. He scored 12 goals and did well. The debate generally seemed reside around whether he'd be a star, I think it's easy to say which side won that argument. I think the point lost on a lot of people is that Montero had a pedigree coming in 95% of the other south americans do not have.

Here are some classic findings from some previous RPB threads:

View Poll Results: Vitti Vs Montero. Who scores more
Vitti http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/clear.gif 62 62.00%
Montero http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/redbar/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/clear.gif 38 38.00%


Montero easily


Vitti will be enemy #1 for the whole RPB board

He'll be seeing pine for most the season
Talk about being bang on.

akoto
06-28-2011, 09:57 PM
I can confirm that Danny just walked into the ACC through Gate 2 with Paul Mariner and a couple of suits.

Sorry about the brief message but I was down there on some personal matter and couldn't elaborate further at the time.

I was standing just inside gate 2 with my daughter and didn't have a chance to pull out my phone to snap a pic but Earl Cochrane came through the doors followed by Koevermans in a pink tshirt and "euro hipster" jeans, followed by what looked to be a of couple agents and Paul Mariner bringing up the rear. Everyone was quiet while waiting in the lobby for the elevator. Seemed tense.

I knew instantly it was Koevermans but did a quick google search just to confirm it.

scooter
06-29-2011, 08:41 AM
Escape the media attention...in TO? LOL


ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh sign him first

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 10:09 AM
Dutch website reporting Koevermans has moved to TFC (http://www.totalfootballnl.com/wordpress/2011/06/danny-koevermans/)

arguably not much substance to the linked page, but if they're reporting it... ?

edit - well, more of a blogger really... and it was tweeted first... but still, eh ? eh ?

Ultra & Proud
06-29-2011, 10:39 AM
Well here is another highlight reel and there are 4 or 5 header goals in there for you :)

kQsFRNSCECs


There are a few nice ones in there.

ACSertL
06-29-2011, 10:51 AM
My ignorance of MLS rules is vast, but if he is a free agent can we sign him and have him play before July 15th?

Apologies if this has been answered already.

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 10:56 AM
My ignorance of MLS rules is vast, but if he is a free agent can we sign him and have him play before July 15th?

Apologies if this has been answered already.

I think the only way he can start earlier is if he wasn't under contract at the end of the European season.

ACSertL
06-29-2011, 11:08 AM
I think the only way he can start earlier is if he wasn't under contract at the end of the European season.

That would make sense...or as much sense as can be derived from the kooky MLS rules.

ManUtd4ever
06-29-2011, 11:27 AM
I think the only way he can start earlier is if he wasn't under contract at the end of the European season.

I believe he is out of contract, so Mariner better sign him quickly so Winter can get him into the lineup in time for the NCC Final!

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 11:37 AM
I believe he is out of contract, so Mariner better sign him quickly so Winter can get him into the lineup in time for the NCC Final!

I don't think he can play until July 15, even if he is already out of contract.

Besides, I'm sure the CSA won't allow a recently signed player into the competition.

It doesn't matter that he is out of contract, it matters when he was out of contract.


That would make sense...or as much sense as can be derived from the kooky MLS rules.

I think this is more on FIFA than MLS. Although I don't know why the MLS transfer window opens on July 15 as opposed to July 1 with the rest of the world. I guess it has to do with the fact that the MLS winter window is up to April 15.

oxygenatedbrain
06-29-2011, 11:40 AM
I think the only way he can start earlier is if he wasn't under contract at the end of the European season.

...would have to have been without a club on the last day of the January window.

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 11:41 AM
...would have to have been without a club on the last day of the January window.

Thanks. That's a good way of wording it.

ACSertL
06-29-2011, 11:42 AM
...would have to have been without a club on the last day of the January window.

Ahh much appreciated.

scooter
06-29-2011, 11:45 AM
when is the presser

brad
06-29-2011, 11:52 AM
when is the presser


RedPatchBoys (https://twitter.com/#%21/RedPatchBoys) Red Patch Boys



..430PM today little birdie says big news. Stay tuned #tfc (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tfc)

48 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/#%21/RedPatchBoys/status/86102487081304064) [/URL] (https://twitter.com/#)[URL="https://twitter.com/#"] (https://twitter.com/#)



Perhaps?

Oldtimer
06-29-2011, 11:53 AM
I don't think he can play until July 15, even if he is already out of contract.

Besides, I'm sure the CSA won't allow a recently signed player into the competition.


Only players on the list at the start of the competition are allowed (including academy players).

PopePouri
06-29-2011, 11:53 AM
Really hope he signs and we're able to field him on Saturday.

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 11:55 AM
Only players on the list at the start of the competition are allowed (including academy players).

Just as I expected. Thanks.

maninb
06-29-2011, 12:02 PM
Really hope he signs and we're able to field him on Saturday.

I thought he isn't allowed to play until July 15???

Couchy81
06-29-2011, 12:06 PM
I thought he isn't allowed to play until July 15???

If you aren't under contract I think you're free to play. As far as I know his contract at PSV is done.

edit-oops just read the bit about nutrilite competition rules. guess he cant play.

Nodoubtguy
06-29-2011, 12:08 PM
Only players on the list at the start of the competition are allowed (including academy players).


If you aren't under contract I think you're free to play. As far as I know his contract at PSV is done.

would not be on the NCC roster we submitted

CSO_BBTB
06-29-2011, 12:09 PM
It all (not just talking NCC here) depends on whether he was out of contract at the end of the last transfer window. Assuming he was still at PSV in mid-April he has to wait until next window opens on July 15th for his player registration to be transferred.

Keyman
06-29-2011, 12:13 PM
More than one signing announced today?

Auzzy
06-29-2011, 12:14 PM
RPB Twitter feed says possibly more than one signing announced at 4:30 pm today (even if they can't play until July 15th).

Anyone else think, with TFC's depleted squad possibly slipping to last place tonight, and possibly losing the NCC on Saturday, that TFC wants to get out some positive news before today's game.....

brad
06-29-2011, 12:18 PM
RPB Twitter feed says possibly more than one signing announced at 4:30 pm today (even if they can't play until July 15th).

Anyone else think, with TFC's depleted squad possibly slipping to last place tonight, and possibly losing the NCC on Saturday, that TFC wants to get out some positive news before today's game.....

I don't know - other teams are starting to make their moves now as well, I think it simply 'tis the season...

Azerban
06-29-2011, 12:18 PM
RPB Twitter feed says possibly more than one signing announced at 4:30 pm today (even if they can't play until July 15th).

Anyone else think, with TFC's depleted squad possibly slipping to last place tonight, and possibly losing the NCC on Saturday, that TFC wants to get out some positive news before today's game.....

gives our strikers some motivation to bag a few and keep their spot, too

Auzzy
06-29-2011, 12:18 PM
^True that... and that ^^

CSO_BBTB
06-29-2011, 12:19 PM
There's only one spare senior roster spot right now due to Stevanovic leaving. Unless somebody suddenly leaves in a trade that would point to an injury replacement for Adrian Cann. If two players are announced today it definitely looks like a case of giving people something to look forward to in anticipation of tonight not going well. Not normal to announce signings on the day of a game, in my opinion.

19Barrett19
06-29-2011, 12:19 PM
Pirlo and Koevermans sounfs about right

Jenkins12
06-29-2011, 12:21 PM
An attacking midfielder is a must i'd say in this transfer window, alongside a new centre back

tfcleeds
06-29-2011, 12:23 PM
Pirlo and Koevermans sounfs about right

Huh? Pirlo signed with Juventus.

19Barrett19
06-29-2011, 12:24 PM
^well that means no pirlo

Jenkins12
06-29-2011, 12:26 PM
Excited about the prospects of 2 new signings.

For the fun of it i'm going to take a massive stab in the dark and say Nicky Butt

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Koevermans and TFC have traded back for DeRo.

ArmenJBX
06-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Kyle Bekker perhaps?

arsenal
06-29-2011, 12:31 PM
Kyle Bekker perhaps?

As a college player doesnt he have to go through the superdraft since he qualify as a homtown signing as he wasnt a member of the Academy?

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 12:33 PM
Don't think he's a college player right now, think we can put a discovery on him too, I'd be willing to be we will rid/drop aa dude or two too

ArmenJBX
06-29-2011, 12:34 PM
He has been training with us apparently..

I-3a6FUNzoM

Keyman
06-29-2011, 12:39 PM
Possible bio of new signing:

(insert name) was a top prospect in the Ajax youth system, and was rated highly by Aaron Winter. After a disappointing couple of seasons, which were compounded by reconstructive surgery on his right knee, (insert name) failed to see any first team action. Aware of the player's seemingly precipitous decline, Ajax loaned out (insert name) to third division side (insert team) where he reasserted himself as a dominant player, albeit at a much lower level. Thinking that (insert name) may have regained his form and was starting to fulfil his potential, (insert Greek league team) signed him. However (insert name) made a marginal impact, scoring only two goals in 20 appearances for the first team. (insert name) has bounced around Europe ever since, plying his trade in Turkey, Slovenia, Romania, and has also played in the Middle East. Winter, however, remembers (insert name) for the player he was 6 years ago and has chosen to ignore the players recent struggles, signing him to a 4 year contract. Winter claims (insert name) is familiar with Toronto FC's system and will thrive as a result.

FreekAce
06-29-2011, 12:41 PM
There are a few nice ones in there.

that last chip shot is fantastic.

reggie
06-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Possible bio of new signing:

(insert name) was a top prospect in the Ajax youth system, and was rated highly by Aaron Winter. After a disappointing couple of seasons, which were compounded by reconstructive surgery on his right knee, (insert name) failed to see any first team action. Aware of the player's seemingly precipitous decline, Ajax loaned out (insert name) to third division side (insert team) where he reasserted himself as a dominant player, albeit at a much lower level. Thinking that (insert name) may have regained his form and was starting to fulfil his potential, (insert Greek league team) signed him. However (insert name) made a marginal impact, scoring only two goals in 20 appearances for the first team. (insert name) has bounced around Europe ever since, plying his trade in Turkey, Slovenia, Romania, and has also played in the Middle East. Winter, however, remembers (insert name) for the player he was 6 years ago and has chosen to ignore the players recent struggles, signing him to a 4 year contract. Winter claims (insert name) is familiar with Toronto FC's system and will thrive as a result.
are u f ing with us...or do you know something:D
world his name be INSERTO VANNAME

19Barrett19
06-29-2011, 12:53 PM
common let me know what you know

Island Man
06-29-2011, 12:55 PM
At least give us some years or names of clubs!

FreekAce
06-29-2011, 12:57 PM
sarcasm people, sarcasm.

CSO_BBTB
06-29-2011, 01:02 PM
Reference to a Dutch "third division" should have been a hint on the sarcasm angle. :)

phonzo
06-29-2011, 01:03 PM
it's almost a done deal - a DM as well :D

arsenal
06-29-2011, 01:04 PM
it's almost a done deal - a DM as well :D

Frings? :)

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 01:05 PM
are u f ing with us...or do you know something:D
world his name be INSERTO VANNAME

Soolsma, Martina, Bouchiba....

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:06 PM
C'mon people its Hargraves and DeRo.....hahaha!!!

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:07 PM
4:30pm can't come soon enough - who is the other player.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:07 PM
Frings? :)

Godwilling

Keyman
06-29-2011, 01:08 PM
it's almost a done deal - a DM as well :D

you got a name? :cool:

ManUtd4ever
06-29-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm genuinely excited about TFC related news for the first time in a while. I hope Koevermans and the mystery player to be announced at 4:30 pm today will help turn the club's fortunes around in the second half of the season.

__wowza
06-29-2011, 01:11 PM
:hide: is it defoe?








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Ageroo
06-29-2011, 01:12 PM
and I thought I'd get work done today....well I guess there goes that

DangerRed
06-29-2011, 01:12 PM
It's Danny Koov and Bekker is my guess.

19Barrett19
06-29-2011, 01:12 PM
roogsy you must know a name common tell me

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:14 PM
It's Danny Koov and Bekker is my guess.

im thinking the samething.
Curious to see how Bekker plays

Keyman
06-29-2011, 01:16 PM
I thought Bekker was more of a creative, attacking midfielder, not someone who played in the holding position.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:18 PM
I thought Bekker was more of a creative, attacking midfielder, not someone who played in the holding position.

you and me both.
Do we know the second player is definitely a DM or was that speculation/jokes?

19Barrett19
06-29-2011, 01:20 PM
Forget It I Don't Believe Anything Until I See For My Own Eyes I Know For A Fact That If Anything Was Happening The Fan 590 Would Be All Over This And There Has Not Been A Single Report. They Are Fucking With Us!

ManUtd4ever
06-29-2011, 01:21 PM
Kyle Bekker is definitely an attacking midfielder. It is the role he played with Boston College and the Canadian U-23 olympic team.

DangerRed
06-29-2011, 01:22 PM
We have someone who plays in the holding position. His name rhymes with Shmoolian ShmeShmoozman.

I would be satisfied if during the window we pick up a serious goalscoring threat (Koov), an attacking, creative mid (maybe Bekker) and another Eckersley at the back. I don't give a shit if they clone him, whatever it takes to keep Henry on the training ground and Gargan out of the lineup.

bangersandmash
06-29-2011, 01:25 PM
We have someone who plays in the holding position. His name rhymes with Shmoolian ShmeShmoozman.

I would be satisfied if during the window we pick up a serious goalscoring threat (Koov), an attacking, creative mid (maybe Bekker) and another Eckersley at the back. I don't give a shit if they clone him, whatever it takes to keep Henry on the training ground and Gargan out of the lineup.

Nothing can keep Gargan out of the lineup. He must know where some skeletons are hidden. Attakora phones in a game and he's out in the hinterland. We get a weekly episode of Gargan being Gargan (with apologies to Manny) and what happens... nuddin.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:26 PM
We have someone who plays in the holding position. His name rhymes with Shmoolian ShmeShmoozman.

I would be satisfied if during the window we pick up a serious goalscoring threat (Koov), an attacking, creative mid (maybe Bekker) and another Eckersley at the back. I don't give a shit if they clone him, whatever it takes to keep Henry on the training ground and Gargan out of the lineup.

well, could be that thread about JDG leaving is true, in that case we will want a DM no?

PopePouri
06-29-2011, 01:28 PM
Julian van de Guzman

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 01:29 PM
I think his real name is Dan Van Gargan... ha ha ha... that's awesome - I'm frickin' HI-larious today.

ManUtd4ever
06-29-2011, 01:30 PM
I just LOL'd at my desk at this one...


(http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812)theyorkies1812 (http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812)‎ There have been unconfirmed Danny Koeverman's sightings in Toronto today. Like a goalscoring Dutch Sasquatch. (http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812)#TFC (http://www.google.ca/search?q=%23TFC+site%3Atwitter.com&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=1&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1440&bih=703&prmd=ivns&ei=zm4LTueJE8KPsALJ7tSRAQ&ved=0CFkQsQcwCQ)
Twitter - (http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812)2 hours ago (http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812/status/86098350952292352&rct=j&sa=X&ei=zm4LTueJE8KPsALJ7tSRAQ&ved=0CFoQrwcwCQ&q=koevermans&usg=AFQjCNHBhS4W_N7l6I5p_yLlufMPdpnOEg)
(http://twitter.com/theyorkies1812)

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm genuinely excited about TFC related news for the first time in a while. I hope Koevermans and the mystery player to be announced at 4:30 pm today will help turn the club's fortunes around in the second half of the season.

C'mon. Really ? Nothing about this team excites me anymore. I'm still on board, but I need to see something promising before I'll be bothered to wind myself up again.

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:31 PM
De Klerk as coach - Winter out as per Soccer Insider? Winter taking up pure technical director duties?

Nodoubtguy
06-29-2011, 01:32 PM
Presser at 4:45....


LukeWileman (http://twitter.com/#%21/LukeWileman) Luke Wileman

#torontofc (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23torontofc) will be making a 'major announcement at 4.45 pm

4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/LukeWileman/status/86138563195977728)

Whoop
06-29-2011, 01:32 PM
Is it 3 for 3 for Canada's teams?



SoccerInsider (http://twitter.com/#%21/SoccerInsider) Steven Goff



My sources tell me Aron Winter out as Toronto head coach, Bob de Klerk is in #tfc (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tfc)

Detroit_TFC
06-29-2011, 01:33 PM
This makes no sense to me. But then again, we've been eating nonsense for 5 1/2 years now.

Hard to ignore this - Goff is legit and doesn't make shit up.

Keyman
06-29-2011, 01:35 PM
What The Fuck

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Prob moving up to Technical Director and giving up head coach position to De Klerk, who was kinda there anyways, highly doubt they are ridding of him completely

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
De Klerk coach, Winter GM, Mariner ???

Couchy81
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Thank god there's only 2 hours until the presser otherwise this thread would drive many to the brink of insanity in anticipation.

SteeltownBhoy
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Presser at 4:45 PM.

CoachGT
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Presser at 4:30. More likely it has to do with our new striker......

prizby
06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
he stays as GM...still wtf

Detroit_TFC
06-29-2011, 01:37 PM
If Winter stays as director of soccer and De Klerk as coach I guess that is essentially a lateral move. If they combine that announcement with DP signing announcement that would be ok by me.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:37 PM
De Klerk coach, Winter GM, Mariner ???

this is what im thinking.
De Klerk has sorta been sharing the coaching with Winter anyways

Pookie
06-29-2011, 01:37 PM
Maybe they mean that despite the weather, Winter is really out and it is Summer so please come down and buy our $20 beers?

prizby
06-29-2011, 01:37 PM
if he is the director of soccer...what is paul mariner's position then???

Beach_Red
06-29-2011, 01:38 PM
De Klerk coach, Winter GM, Mariner ???

Could they please make up new job titles for these guys so we don't have to hear that TFC has had, what is it, 7 coaches in 5 years?

Island Man
06-29-2011, 01:38 PM
Hmm very odd.

PopePouri
06-29-2011, 01:39 PM
if he is the director of soccer...what is paul mariner's position then???

I suspect the same. Player development.

MartinUtd
06-29-2011, 01:40 PM
Seems like a game of musical chairs.

Pookie
06-29-2011, 01:40 PM
^ like an "Executive Coach"?

Beach_Red
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
If Winter stays as director of soccer and De Klerk as coach I guess that is essentially a lateral move. If they combine that announcement with DP signing announcement that would be ok by me.

Is there any advantage to actually announcing it, though? Couldn't it be sold as some kind of minor internal changing of roles that doesn't need a press conference so we don't have to put up with all the talk we'll hear about TFC having yet ANOTHER head coach....

Whoop
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
If de Klerk has been coaching all along shouldn't people be pissed at de Klerk instead of Winter?

PopePouri
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
Possibly an effort to manage workloads? Apparently Winter has been working 16 hours/day from the start.

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
Could they please make up new job titles for these guys so we don't have to hear that TFC has had, what is it, 7 coaches in 5 years?

GM - Vice President, Revolving Door
Coach - Senior Director, after school program soccer

flatpicker
06-29-2011, 01:42 PM
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/brushstroke-man/revolving_doorTFC.jpg

prizby
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
Possibly an effort to manage workloads? Apparently Winter has been working 16 hours/day from the start.

that is exactly what i was thinking


but i'd like to know how he works those 16 hours in a day (what does he exactly do?)

Pookie
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
Any chance they meant "Anselmi" out? The "A" key is very near the "W" key

Beach_Red
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
^ like an "Executive Coach"?

Any kind of public announcement of what looks like musical chairs now just makes the organization look like even more of a joke - another new head coach?

It's not like they can sell the idea of a promotion for Winter, so it becomes a 'restructuring,' or something....

Detroit_TFC
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
Is there any advantage to actually announcing it, though? Couldn't it be sold as some kind of minor internal changing of roles that doesn't need a press conference so we don't have to put up with all the talk we'll hear about TFC having yet ANOTHER head coach....

Hoping there is a player announcement combined with this. That would be a good way to spin this. Koeverman announcement would be great.

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
that is exactly what i was thinking


but i'd like to know how he works those 16 hours in a day (what does he exactly do?)

watches video over and over, trying to figure out how can his players be so bad.

Wull
06-29-2011, 01:44 PM
we've traded a 1st round draft pick for DeRo?! :smilielol5:

Pookie
06-29-2011, 01:44 PM
^ a lot of schmokes and pancakes over a 16 hour period

Ageroo
06-29-2011, 01:44 PM
but i'd like to know how he works those 16 hours in a day (what does he exactly do?)

http://gangles.ca/images/dominoes.jpg

prizby
06-29-2011, 01:44 PM
watches video over and over, trying to figure out how can his players be so bad.

that is a good point (outside of the sarcasm)...watch game film does take up time though

Pookie
06-29-2011, 01:45 PM
Hoping there is a player announcement combined with this. That would be a good way to spin this. Koeverman announcement would be great.

MLSE is good at spinning so I'm crossing my fingers there is some development on this front.

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 01:45 PM
is the Post* announcing that Winter is getting the sack ?

no : this - http://twitter.com/#!/soccerinsider


Toronto FC is scheduled to make a "major announcement" at 4:45 pm ET. As far as I know, Winter steps aside, de Klerk moves up


steps aside - what the hell does that mean ?

*Washington Post, natch.

Azerban
06-29-2011, 01:45 PM
banner idea: "now is the winter of our discontent"

Detroit_TFC
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
A day without TFC drama is like a day without sunshine. Shining bright today. When is kickoff tonight again, like two hours after the presser?

bigtfcfan
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
this is getting ridiculous

prizby
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
hey Bob de Klerk...if you are reading this, I'd be happy to step in as your assistant (if KJ is right when he tweets you are looking for one)...I am very enthusiastic and bleed red til I die...bring a winning attitude no matter the result and demand the best from the people around me...I also have a desire to work in the sports world and since I am around the players age, I can relate to them very well...I am a great listener and problem solver and know how to get the best out of raw talent!

oxygenatedbrain
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
Wait, Winter stepping "aside", DM signing imminent...he must know he could still play better than any number of his "players"...hmmm

English Rachel
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
well well bloody hell

Nuvinho
06-29-2011, 01:48 PM
On the day that Carver could be in town, is the day that Winter goes up to the box....ironic...not really. But fun to point out.

As long as Winter stays on as Technical Director and GM - I am fine with it.

Nodoubtguy
06-29-2011, 01:48 PM
apparently just formalizing the roles they kind of already have


KristianJack (http://twitter.com/#%21/KristianJack) Kristian Jack

#TFC (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23TFC) players were told last week of the change and had very little reaction as De Klerk was the main man in training and game prep anyway.

12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/KristianJack/status/86140712713863168)

Azerban
06-29-2011, 01:48 PM
hey Bob de Klerk...if you are reading this, I'd be happy to step in as your assistant (if KJ is right when he tweets you are looking for one)...I am very enthusiastic and bleed red til I die...bring a winning attitude no matter the result and demand the best from the people around me...I also have a desire to work in the sports world and since I am around the players age, I can relate to them very well...I am a great listener and problem solver and know how to get the best out of raw talent!

i'm bob de klerk irl

tell me more about how you can relate to professional soccer players

nfitz
06-29-2011, 01:49 PM
If Winter really is out, I don't think they'd be announcing it just before game-time.

Clearly press conference is not about Winter.

Roogsy
06-29-2011, 01:50 PM
Lots of info out there...I am going to wait to see what the announcement is. Suffice to say it's apparent nobody has a clue or if they do, they're not talking.

__wowza
06-29-2011, 01:51 PM
does this count as a legit coaching switch? are we going to go on record as having 7 coaches in 5 seasons?

Azerban
06-29-2011, 01:51 PM
sorry guys, false alarm, this was supposed to be leaked after we lose the two against vancouver

Roogsy
06-29-2011, 01:51 PM
Probably best to keep the Winter/DeKlerk convo in the "Winter out" thread and keep the Danny K discussion in here.

Whoop
06-29-2011, 01:52 PM
KJ reported that the players were told last week but no one batted an eye because de Klerk has been the one running practices and drills, etc.



KristianJack (http://twitter.com/#%21/KristianJack) Kristian Jack



#TFC (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23TFC) players were told last week of the change and had very little reaction as De Klerk was the main man in training and game prep anyway.

sully
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
please no. let's stick with a plan. stick a camera in the halls of BMO and broadcast on the CBC the drama will make us lots of money for DPs..

Detroit_TFC
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
sorry guys, false alarm, this was supposed to be leaked after we lose the two against vancouver

FO can't do anything right. LOL

Keyman
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
I have a fucking midterm at 6pm to study for, WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW!?!!?!?!?

So much for Latin American politics....

__wowza
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
at 4:45, heads up 7-up!

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
KJ reported that the players were told last week but no one batted an eye because de Klerk has been the one running practices and drills, etc.

yep, pretty much what i thought.
makes sense.

DangerRed
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
Odd that it would be Winter out.

On Facebook, the picture to go with the heads-up for the announcement is one of Winter. It'd be weird to post his picture to preview his sacking, no?

nfitz
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
If Winter really is out, I don't think they'd be announcing it just before game-time.

Clearly press conference is not about Winter.Though if players have known for a week ... hmm ...

Wasn't Winter interviewed at practice yesterday for Gol TV's Tuesday show?

__wowza
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
Probably best to keep the Winter/DeKlerk convo in the "Winter out" thread and keep the Danny K discussion in here.

good idea, made this:
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=1330069#post1330069

TFC07
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
Winter leaving the team or is he just going to be TD for now on? I think that is a good move for Winter.

But yeah, the drama continues with TFC.

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
^There's a 'Winter Out' thread ? I need to get out more.

Beach_Red
06-29-2011, 01:54 PM
KJ reported that the players were told last week but no one batted an eye because de Klerk has been the one running practices and drills, etc.


So Winter moves up to the press box - Carver should have thought of this.

Batman
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
If Winter really is out, I don't think they'd be announcing it just before game-time.

Clearly press conference is not about Winter.

That was my first thought too. Tiiming would be pretty crazy.

But it's MLSE... anything can happen in this circus.

bangersandmash
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
I have a fucking midterm at 6pm to study for, WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW!?!!?!?!?

So much for Latin American politics....

This is actually perfect for helping you study latin american politics. You should only be worried if you can't see the similarities.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
once again doubt hes out, prob moved up and off the field where De Klerk was more or less running the show anyways (but with a bit of info from Winter, where as its all now in his hands)

mastermixer
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
Regardless of how much impact it makes on the field, and it sounds like it won't be much... it just shows up as another notch in the fuck-up side for this organization.

Ageroo
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
I have a fucking midterm at 6pm to study for, WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW!?!!?!?!?

So much for Latin American politics....

Corruption, gov't overthrow, dictatorship, guerilla warfare, drug lords......political lesson done. :D

TOBOR !
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
<checks in, checks out>

UltraSuperMegaMo
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
^ Carver's going to be at the game tonight. He's passing through on his way to the US. He's there ahead of Newcastle's preseason tour.

Island Man
06-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Odd that it would be Winter out.

On Facebook, the picture to go with the heads-up for the announcement is one of Winter. It'd be weird to post his picture to preview his sacking, no?
Not really a sacking though is it? Just going to GM.

menefreghista
06-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Rollins just tweeted this: Today at BMO: Germans and Dutch getting along. Book it.

So is the Frings rumour true?

Alixir
06-29-2011, 01:56 PM
that is exactly what i was thinking


but i'd like to know how he works those 16 hours in a day (what does he exactly do?)
fetching coffee for Anselmi.

tfcmanu
06-29-2011, 01:58 PM
Paul Mariner for coach and Winter taking Mariners Job :canada:

Beach_Red
06-29-2011, 01:58 PM
Regardless of how much impact it makes on the field, and it sounds like it won't be much... it just shows up as another notch in the fuck-up side for this organization.


At the moment it does, yeah. It looks like the plan they put together in the off season didn't work. On the other hand, trying to be positive here, it means that they recognized it wasn't working and are making changes to improve things, so that's good. They didn't wait till the season was over.

Torontotonto
06-29-2011, 01:59 PM
Winter out ?
New Striker ?
Press conference today @ 4:45 ?

Only MLSE could come up with all this hours before a huge match.

WTF...

TFC07
06-29-2011, 01:59 PM
Not really a sacking though is it? Just going to GM.
Paul Mariner is GM though unless Mariner is out and Winter takes over Mariner's job?

Gazza
06-29-2011, 01:59 PM
TFC to offersheet Stamkos.

backbeat
06-29-2011, 02:00 PM
Not really a sacking though is it? Just going to GM.

if it is, it's bloody weird timing...

__wowza
06-29-2011, 02:00 PM
hahaha, i was agreeing with roogs, new thread to keep the discussion relevant keep the other thread for koevermans. alas, i have failed..