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TFCin110
05-30-2011, 09:32 AM
...courtesy of Luke Wileman's twitter.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 09:33 AM
Damn that pacific coast time!

kodiakTFC
05-30-2011, 09:41 AM
Well I doubt its another sponsorship annoucement but that would be hilarious. Probably an annoucement of a friendly, I know West Brom is playing Portland so that would make sense.

TFCin110
05-30-2011, 09:41 AM
^^ LOL....wondering what it will be? Another DP?

Cas87
05-30-2011, 09:49 AM
They are staying in Empire Field? forgeting the new BC Place except for CCL and winter friendlies????????

jazzy
05-30-2011, 09:53 AM
Please not another kick-in the ass ......what next?......

brad
05-30-2011, 09:54 AM
Maybe the supporters songs are available for sponsorship now as well. :-)

Ben - D.O.W.
05-30-2011, 09:56 AM
Owen Hargreaves? Please let something awful happen to another team for once.

torontocelt
05-30-2011, 10:02 AM
After the success in Toronto they have decided to hire Jurgen Klinsmann and soccer solutions to identify a playing style and system for them and also put them in charge of finding a new management team.

Stouffville_RPB
05-30-2011, 10:14 AM
The announcement is that they are forfeiting the Voyageurs Cup to TFC.

After seeing the storm last week Vancouver has realized they do not have a chance of winning as GOD is a RPB.

Cashcleaner
05-30-2011, 10:40 AM
They are staying in Empire Field? forgeting the new BC Place except for CCL and winter friendlies????????

I don't know how far along things are progressing with the renovations at BC Place, but this actually sounds entirely plausible.

All said, however, my bet is one a player signing. Don't know if it will be a DP, but that wouldn't surprise me either.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Is the window even open to sign players?

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Is the window even open to sign players?

You can sign players outside the transfer window on pre-contracts, can you not?

Whoop
05-30-2011, 11:04 AM
Just asking.

I don't think it's a player signing though.

reggie
05-30-2011, 11:10 AM
they are going to wear canuck uniforms the rest of the season

Whoop
05-30-2011, 11:11 AM
From their radio guy.



PeteSchaad (http://twitter.com/#%21/PeteSchaad) Peter Schaad

Nothing good ever comes from a hastily called Monday morning media announcement.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 11:22 AM
From their radio guy.

I was just about to slap that on from twitter. Here's hoping it's nothing like a cancer announcement or something.

andyc
05-30-2011, 11:24 AM
From their radio guy.

^^ Maybe they've signed Michael Owen :D

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 11:25 AM
^^ Maybe they've signed Michael Owen :D

Owen Hargreaves would be worse.

ensco
05-30-2011, 11:26 AM
I bet it's Hargreaves.

tfcleeds
05-30-2011, 11:27 AM
Maybe Teitur Tots is stepping down - he's gone crazy because the CSA will never allow the Whitecaps to win the NCC. It's a conspiracy!

Carts
05-30-2011, 11:29 AM
They're announcing they have rejected a trade offer of Hassli for DeGuzman...

Its an important step forward for the clubs future...

Carts
05-30-2011, 11:29 AM
Maybe Teitur Tots is stepping down - he's gone crazy because the CSA will never allow the Whitecaps to win the NCC. It's a conspiracy!

Maybe they've signed Joe Cole...??? LOL!!!!

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 11:34 AM
Maybe they've signed Joe Cole...??? LOL!!!!

Your other favourite player ;)

billyfly
05-30-2011, 11:35 AM
Maybe they hired Daso?

prizby
05-30-2011, 11:41 AM
they signed their first canadian player to a contract?

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 11:41 AM
they signed their first canadian player to a contract?

LOLOL

rocktml
05-30-2011, 11:42 AM
Nash coming out of retierment

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 11:43 AM
Whitecaps relocating to Memphis, Tennessee.

bgnewf
05-30-2011, 11:46 AM
Firing their coach is my guess.

TFC07
05-30-2011, 12:01 PM
Firing their coach is my guess.

That makes sense since Vancouver have been poor (1 win only?) in season.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 12:01 PM
Whitecaps relocating to Memphis, Tennessee.

:D:D

TFC07
05-30-2011, 12:01 PM
Maybe they hired Daso?

Isn't he under contract with TFC still for this year?

menefreghista
05-30-2011, 12:06 PM
Isn't he under contract with TFC still for this year?

We officially parted ways a week or so ago.

Parkdale
05-30-2011, 12:12 PM
either the coach is gone, or something about the stadium situation.

kodiakTFC
05-30-2011, 12:22 PM
either the coach is gone, or something about the stadium situation.

You don't think they could be firing their coach this early into their first year? I didn't think he has done that bad of a job to be honest.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 12:27 PM
no way they fire the coach 3 months into their inaugural season, especially on the verge of a cup final.

I'm thinking its a friendly announcement.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 12:28 PM
This isn't Teitur Tots first year with Vancouver.

I'm thinking it's a facility announcement.

Carts
05-30-2011, 12:28 PM
They're adding more marbles to the field turf at Empire Field...

Currently, there is obviously not nearly enough on that pitch! lol

Parkdale
05-30-2011, 12:28 PM
You don't think they could be firing their coach this early into their first year? I didn't think he has done that bad of a job to be honest.

which is why I'm putting other options out there too.

odds are it's a nothing of an announcement.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 12:29 PM
following this on twitter is hilarious


ruthkerbes (https://twitter.com/#%21/ruthkerbes) Ruth Kerbes



Cheering has been added to the banned list at Empire. Only permitted way to support the Whitecaps is to buy Budweiser #whitecapsannouncement (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23whitecapsannouncement)

looks like they're having worse time int he stands than we are. this makes me happy.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 12:31 PM
feardafred Fred Jean-Francois

They hired a Swiss Coach. #WhitecapsAnnouncement

THen there's this gem.

Mikey
05-30-2011, 12:33 PM
Perhaps they bought Dero from New York as a DP......:rolleyes:

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 12:33 PM
feardafred (https://twitter.com/#%21/feardafred) Fred Jean-Francois



They will announce the #supportforeignrfootball (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23supportforeignrfootball) campaign. #WhitecapsAnnouncement (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhitecapsAnnouncement)

lolll....

TFC07
05-30-2011, 12:41 PM
We officially parted ways a week or so ago.

So I guess he will be hired now by Whitecraps!

kodiakTFC
05-30-2011, 12:44 PM
So I guess he will be hired now by Whitecraps!

I think I remember hearing he lives in Vancouver so this is probably it. Daso joins the Residency or something along those lines.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 12:45 PM
They're adding more marbles to the field turf at Empire Field...

Currently, there is obviously not nearly enough on that pitch! lol

Great for our advertising business!

Technorgasm
05-30-2011, 12:46 PM
someone ont eh white caps squad accepted a bribe to throw a match?

(pictured)

http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2011/0530/fifamoneypic_275x155.jpg

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 12:49 PM
Kevin Harmse traded to Chivas USA for allocation money.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:02 PM
MKieltyka (https://twitter.com/#%21/MKieltyka) Matt Kieltyka



Latest #WhitecapsFC (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhitecapsFC) hint: advisory says Lenarduzzi and Barber making announcement but there are three mics on the table. Dun dun dun :p



Weird, but no mention of Teitur.

kodiakTFC
05-30-2011, 01:04 PM
Weird, but no mention of Teitur.

Its obvious. They signed Nick Garcia because hes as invisable at the mic as he is on the field.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 01:04 PM
Teitur is gone.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Soehn takes over.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:06 PM
It's official, Teitur fired.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Teitur Tots gone.

Brooker
05-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Bwahahahahahah

scut farkus
05-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Teitur gone. Wow...
http://twitter.com/#!/MLS/status/75261724051255296

Parkdale
05-30-2011, 01:07 PM
You don't think they could be firing their coach this early into their first year? I didn't think he has done that bad of a job to be honest.


well there we go.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:07 PM
GK coach also fired. Guess he was part of #NCCConspiracies

Whoop
05-30-2011, 01:09 PM
I think some people knew about this...

From Kurt Larson a couple of hours ago.



KurtLarSUN (http://twitter.com/#%21/KurtLarSUN) K Larson
@JohnMolinaro (http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) @PeteSchaad (http://twitter.com/PeteSchaad) Maybe that's why Teitur so passionately wanted to win the Cup last Wednesday?

daner90
05-30-2011, 01:09 PM
wow, wild stuff

yellowfellow
05-30-2011, 01:09 PM
This puts a smile on my face

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:09 PM
^ it would make sense that he was arguing so passionately about playing the game no matter the weather. it would've saved his job

__wowza
05-30-2011, 01:11 PM
^ i was just gonna say

tfcleeds
05-30-2011, 01:12 PM
Wow...to think that if the match had ended, and Vancouver had held on, he might still have his job.

bgnewf
05-30-2011, 01:13 PM
TFC has its share of dysfunction. And apparently so does Vancouver now. But next season the true shit show knows as the Montreal Impact come to MLS. We will look like the most stable and well run organization on earth compared to them.

yellowfellow
05-30-2011, 01:14 PM
That's bs. He hasn't lost the cup yet. He got screwed by the weather? The weather causes him his job? Nah...I think it's more like they realize he is not a MLS caliber coach

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:16 PM
Firing the GK coach is puzzling to me. Whitecaps have allowed 17 goals in 12 matches. Not the best, but not the worst either (Sporting KC have allowed 19 goals in 9 matches).

Trouble in paradise?

Whoop
05-30-2011, 01:16 PM
Is Tom Soehn an upgrade? I remember DC supporters weren't happy with his performance in DC as a head coach.

Globetrotter
05-30-2011, 01:16 PM
TFC has its share of dysfunction. And apparently so does Vancouver now. But next season the true shit show knows as the Montreal Impact come to MLS. We will look like the most stable and well run organization on earth compared to them.

We are the shit show. There's no arguing that. No matter how screwy other teams are, we lead the way.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm disappointed they aren't adding more marbles to the pitch at Empire.

Technorgasm
05-30-2011, 01:18 PM
http://www.denali.net/~leif/TestPics/TaterTots.gif

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:18 PM
TFC has its share of dysfunction. And apparently so does Vancouver now. But next season the true shit show knows as the Montreal Impact come to MLS. We will look like the most stable and well run organization on earth compared to them.

Following Whitecaps fans on twitter today was very telling. They have bigger problems with their FO than we do IMO (people banned for swearing, advertisements on everything, only have Budweiser, banners / two-sticks stolen from club storage).

ExiledRed
05-30-2011, 01:19 PM
So now we can call the impotent 4-3-3 our own?

Whoop
05-30-2011, 01:20 PM
I guess Canadian clubs still have a long way to go.... ugh.

Though it looks good on the condescending Vancouverites, especially their leader Lenarduzzi.

kodiakTFC
05-30-2011, 01:27 PM
well there we go.

You win this round Parkdale.

ManUtd4ever
05-30-2011, 01:28 PM
Wow, that was unexpected. I actually feel bad for Thordarson. The thunderstorm on Wednesday cost him his job.

http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud.jpg

Whoop
05-30-2011, 01:30 PM
He was Vancouver's coach for 3 1/2 years. It's not like he wasn't a known entity within the organization.

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:30 PM
Apparently there is a GK controversy in BC between Jay Nolly and Joe Cannon. It seems similar to what we had in the past with Sutton when Frei was first starting out.

Cannon is 36 and has only had one match all season.

Carts
05-30-2011, 01:30 PM
Can we hire him...?

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 01:32 PM
Apparently there is a GK controversy in BC between Jay Nolly and Joe Cannon. It seems similar to what we had in the past with Sutton when Frei was first starting out.

Cannon is 36 and has only had one match all season.

From what I've seen, the Whitecaps Goalkeeping is the least of their worries.

Carts
05-30-2011, 01:33 PM
Dear Supporters,

Today we announced that head coach Teitur Thordarson and goalkeeper coach Mike Salmon have left our club with immediate effect. Both Teitur and Mike were popular figures and served Vancouver Whitecaps FC extremely well over several seasons. Today's decision was therefore a very difficult one.

However, soccer at the highest level – like all professional sports – is a demanding, results-driven business and unfortunately we have not met our high expectations so far this season. We’ve also struggled at times to provide you, our supporters, with the style of soccer we strive for.

With all these factors in mind, we felt a change to our coaching staff was necessary before the challenge of meeting this season's objectives became too difficult.

We are delighted that Tommy Soehn, our current Director of Soccer Operations, supported by assistant coaches Denis Hamlett and Colin Miller, is able to take charge of coaching the men’s first team for the remainder of the season.

This group of coaches provides us with both extensive MLS experience and a degree of continuity for an excellent group of Whitecaps players who have battled hard and shown great commitment during a difficult period.

Tommy is one of the architects of the player roster we have built. He is well aware of our ambitions and of the passion our club has for providing supporters with entertaining soccer.

We have a lot of ground to make up but we can assure you we will be giving it our best possible shot. Your continued support will be invaluable and we really appreciate the difference you have made in so many of our matches to date.

Let's hope we can kick-start our season on our upcoming three-game road trip against Chivas USA, Real Salt Lake and Seattle Sounders. We look forward to seeing you back at Empire Field on Saturday, June 18 when we take on Philadelphia Union.

Kind regards,
Paul Barber
Chief Executive Officer
Vancouver Whitecaps FC

Ossington Mental Youth
05-30-2011, 01:36 PM
his time there was suspect (imo) to begin with as they only gave him a year long contract for the first year in the MLS

DichioTFC
05-30-2011, 01:37 PM
^ Was just about to post the letter.

Whitecaps fans are not happy with the change, think it was a knee-jerk reaction. From the wording of this letter, it appears that they think they can still make the playoffs.

ryan
05-30-2011, 01:39 PM
It didn't look like a team that needed a new coach to me. They played hard from what I saw, fought back in games and were competitive in just about every match they played.

They really seemed to me like a team that could have double the points had a few bounces gone their way.

redcard
05-30-2011, 01:39 PM
awwwww...now we cant see teitur cry when we beat them on July 2!!!!! and dance away with the Voyageurs Cup!!!

Robin
05-30-2011, 01:43 PM
Whitecaps fire their coach

mastermixer
05-30-2011, 01:45 PM
It didn't look like a team that needed a new coach to me. They played hard from what I saw, fought back in games and were competitive in just about every match they played.

They really seemed to me like a team that could have double the points had a few bounces gone their way.

Wow, TFC has totally skewed your perspective of a good team. :scarf:

ryan
05-30-2011, 01:49 PM
Wow, TFC has totally skewed your perspective of a good team. :scarf:

I didn't say they were a good team and doubling their points would still leave them 7th in the west with a losing record....

I just happen to think they play harder than a 1 win in 12 GP team typically does, I'd even go as far to argue that they play harder then us from a consistency perspective.

__wowza
05-30-2011, 01:51 PM
Wow...to think that if the match had ended, and Vancouver had held on, he might still have his job.

i'll agree that it may have made him last a little longer (winning the first NC for the club) but the problems apparently ran much deeper than that.

BFin
05-30-2011, 01:52 PM
"However, soccer at the highest level – like all professional sports – is a demanding, results-driven business and unfortunately we have not met our high expectations so far this season. We’ve also struggled at times to provide you, our supporters, with the style of soccer we strive for.

With all these factors in mind, we felt a change to our coaching staff was necessary before the challenge of meeting this season's objectives became too difficult."

ALLL THESE FACTORS...they listed 2?

JuliquE
05-30-2011, 01:55 PM
They're adding more marbles to the field turf at Empire Field...

Currently, there is obviously not nearly enough on that pitch! lol
LAUL Nearly wet myself.

TFC07
05-30-2011, 01:55 PM
na na na na na na na na
hey hey hey
goodbye!

Joe Kool
05-30-2011, 01:56 PM
errr...'tis pity

menefreghista
05-30-2011, 01:57 PM
I don't know if TFC fans should be celebrating this. A change in coach could be the kick in the ass the Whitecaps need.

tfcleeds
05-30-2011, 01:57 PM
i'll agree that it may have made him last a little longer (winning the first NC for the club) but the problems apparently ran much deeper than that.

That's all I'm saying - if Vancouver had won the NCC on Wednesday, it would have meant a stay of execution. I couldn't see them making this decision at this moment had they won.

ManUtd4ever
05-30-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't know if TFC fans should be celebrating this. A change in coach could be the kick in the ass the Whitecaps need.

Agreed, although as Whoop stated, Tom Soehn didn't exactly have an inspiring record as the coach of DC United.

Huyton
05-30-2011, 02:01 PM
Can we hire Teitur for one game? Actually, two games...the one on the 29th and the NutraCup Final 2nd leg.

LittleOzzy
05-30-2011, 02:02 PM
Vancouver should be still in building mode, they should have let TT finish out the season before they moved on. Bringing in someone new at this point is not going to change things.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 02:05 PM
Maybe Teitur Tots is stepping down - he's gone crazy because the CSA will never allow the Whitecaps to win the NCC. It's a conspiracy!


Posted an hour and a half before the announcement and TFCleeds almost gets it spot on! :lol:

Teitur Tots is going to have nightmares about the NCC. Does he get fired if the game had ended with a WCFC win on Wednesday night?

mastermixer
05-30-2011, 02:07 PM
I didn't say they were a good team and doubling their points would still leave them 7th in the west with a losing record....

I just happen to think they play harder than a 1 win in 12 GP team typically does, I'd even go as far to argue that they play harder then us from a consistency perspective.

I will say this, Vancouver has definitely played with more purpose this year than TFC. Whether that is on the coaches is open for debate.

mastermixer
05-30-2011, 02:12 PM
errr...'tis pity

You know, if TFC ever gets good enough where we can make fun of other teams again, this would be a great banner against the opponent.

Suds
05-30-2011, 02:17 PM
"However, soccer at the highest level – like all professional sports – is a demanding, results-driven business and unfortunately we have not met our high expectations so far this season. We’ve also struggled at times to provide you, our supporters, with the style of soccer we strive for.

With all these factors in mind, we felt a change to our coaching staff was necessary before the challenge of meeting this season's objectives became too difficult."

ALLL THESE FACTORS...they listed 2?


haha, that's the first thing I noticed when I read it too

rocker
05-30-2011, 02:20 PM
well, so long Tator Tots.. you've done worse than TFC did after this number of games in 2007... and Mo Johnston was the coach... LOL.

I always got a sense that Vancouver management was tepid about him, particularly with that 1-year contract stuff.

It doesn't help that Portland has done much better under the exact same circumstances. This is the problem with hiring people who have never coached in MLS. But I still think any coach deserves one year to prove himself, no matter what his experience. This is too soon in my opinion.

I'm not sure Soehn is much better tho. He took what was a solid DC United team that played a pretty style and turned it into shit. He brought in the current players too. And Denis Hamlett didn't do much in Chicago either...

rocker
05-30-2011, 02:44 PM
interesting article on the firing

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/05/30/smorgasborg-was-vancouver-premature-firing-thordarson

tovan
05-30-2011, 02:46 PM
Teitur Thordarson always played a 4-4-2 and made questionable tactical decisions. Gets canned.

Aron Winter always plays 4-3-3 and makes questionable tactical decisions. Better get his house in order soon.

Shep
05-30-2011, 02:47 PM
and just two days ago the Southsiders got a teiter flag order going...

http://forum.vancouversouthsiders.ca/index.php?p=/discussion/670/teitur-tots-icelandic-flags-are-here

phonzo
05-30-2011, 02:59 PM
they are idiots..LOL...

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 03:10 PM
Firing trending on twitter for the country.

phonzo
05-30-2011, 03:11 PM
no offense but if MOJO was canned 3 months into our first season we'd all have screamed bloody murder (sure in hindsight we wouldn't) but at that time we would. People forget consistency and time in this sport to much

Seriously why does everyone wants to be instantly fucking satisfied all the time. Only want wins..fire anyone thats not winning. If winning..not winning by enough goals..need more goals. Fire someone.. this statement applies more to TFC fans then shitcaps fans.

menefreghista
05-30-2011, 03:17 PM
no offense but if MOJO was canned 3 months into our first season we'd all have screamed bloody murder (sure in hindsight we wouldn't) but at that time we would. People forget consistency and time in this sport to much

Seriously why does everyone wants to be instantly fucking satisfied all the time. Only want wins..fire anyone thats not winning. If winning..not winning by enough goals..need more goals. Fire someone.. this statement applies more to TFC fans then shitcaps fans.

I'm not sure, if that was when he was already making excuses like blaming Canadian players on why we sucked I might have been happy if he was already fired. But my memory is muddy so I can't remember when that started.

Of course the difference between Season 1 TFC and Season 1 Whitecaps is that they actually have a bit of a support staff. So when you fire your head coach you have someone in the organization available. Was it even possible to fire Mo 3 months into the season of 2007? Who would have taken over?

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 03:20 PM
Seriously why does everyone wants to be instantly fucking satisfied all the time. Only want wins..fire anyone thats not winning. If winning..not winning by enough goals..need more goals. Fire someone.. this statement applies more to TFC fans then shitcaps fans.


Seriously, if this EVER happens, give me a call, I will be on your side. However, I will go out on a limb and say we are safe for now. Very safe. About as safe as you can get.

As for your statement about firing anyone that's not winning...you do realize this is competitive professional sports right? If you're looking for fun times and not keeping score, I am sure there are other options.

JuliquE
05-30-2011, 03:25 PM
and just two days ago the Southsiders got a teiter flag order going...

http://forum.vancouversouthsiders.ca/index.php?p=/discussion/670/teitur-tots-icelandic-flags-are-here
His players really fought for him and it would be a nice gesture from the fans to go ahead with the flag.. but, knowing their FO staff, they would probably ban them from waving it. :lol:

Darlofletch
05-30-2011, 03:32 PM
no offense but if MOJO was canned 3 months into our first season we'd all have screamed bloody murder (sure in hindsight we wouldn't) but at that time we would. People forget consistency and time in this sport to much

Seriously why does everyone wants to be instantly fucking satisfied all the time. Only want wins..fire anyone thats not winning. If winning..not winning by enough goals..need more goals. Fire someone.. this statement applies more to TFC fans then shitcaps fans.


Seriously, if this EVER happens, give me a call, I will be on your side. However, I will go out on a limb and say we are safe for now. Very safe. About as safe as you can get.

As for your statement about firing anyone that's not winning...you do realize this is competitive professional sports right? If you're looking for fun times and not keeping score, I am sure there are other options.


really roogsy? really? you were one of the loudest of those unhappy with preki, and i'm not talking about when we started losing after our only good forwards got injured. right in the middle of the hot streak we had under him you were bitching about preki.

and now you're setting yourself up as the great defender of results over style? Interesting. bold even.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 03:37 PM
My biggest problem with Preki was my knowledge that the players were chaffing under him and it was only a matter of time before he lost the lockerroom. I had no problems with his initial results, I simply knew that it would not last.

And I do admit I did not like his style not because I wanted an attractive style but because I knew it was one-dimensional. I wasn't demanding "an attractive" style of footbal, I just wanted more intelligent football. I want a coach that adjusts. A coach that motivates. Neither Preki nor Winter fit these image of a coach for me. So despite their different styles, I see far too many similarities between them that worry me.

For me, it's not about results at the start, or results over a short period of time. For me, it's a matter of looking at a situation and projecting whether it can produce sustained results over the long term. I knew Preki couldn't do it, and I fear the same for Winter.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 03:51 PM
Of course the difference between Season 1 TFC and Season 1 Whitecaps is that they actually have a bit of a support staff. So when you fire your head coach you have someone in the organization available. Was it even possible to fire Mo 3 months into the season of 2007? Who would have taken over?

This.

Bang on.

I mean it's like it took TFC 4 years to realize that you can't run a sports franchise with a skeleton staff.

rocker
05-30-2011, 03:55 PM
The problem for Vancouver is Hamlett and Soehn haven't proven anything before as head coaches.

BFin
05-30-2011, 03:55 PM
My biggest problem with Preki was my knowledge that the players were chaffing under him and it was only a matter of time before he lost the lockerroom. I had no problems with his initial results, I simply knew that it would not last.

And I do admit I did not like his style not because I wanted an attractive style but because I knew it was one-dimensional. I wasn't demanding "an attractive" style of footbal, I just wanted more intelligent football. I want a coach that adjusts. A coach that motivates. Neither Preki nor Winter fit these image of a coach for me. So despite their different styles, I see far too many similarities between them that worry me.

For me, it's not about results at the start, or results over a short period of time. For me, it's a matter of looking at a situation and projecting whether it can produce sustained results over the long term. I knew Preki couldn't do it, and I fear the same for Winter.

If you're projecting results why did you dismiss my response to your "who scores the goals" question as invalid because it was a projection towards the end of the year? Are projections now okay?

A lot of hypocrisy and a lot of negativity. I'm sure someone can link the Whitecaps board for you if you'd like to post something positive for once.

phonzo
05-30-2011, 03:56 PM
As for your statement about firing anyone that's not winning...you do realize this is competitive professional sports right? If you're looking for fun times and not keeping score, I am sure there are other options.

I should have elaborated but assumed folks would understand I mean with reference to firing someone after 3 months...that's a little absurd. Firing Winter now would also be absurd regardless of ones rage for well one massive bed shitting.

Boris
05-30-2011, 03:59 PM
I should have elaborated but assumed folks would understand I mean with reference to firing someone after 3 months...that's a little absurd. Firing Winter now would also be absurd regardless of ones rage for well one massive bed shitting.

Can't agree with you more. Anyone wo says differently .... I dunno

phonzo
05-30-2011, 03:59 PM
This.

Bang on.

I mean it's like it took TFC 4 years to realize that you can't run a sports franchise with a skeleton staff.

Indeed they waited to long after year 2 or 3 it should have been done but waiting less then a year? I can't say I agree with that completely.

prizby
05-30-2011, 03:59 PM
hey vancouver fans...where ya teitor tots at now


in all seriousness though, I felt like Vancouver has had a better season then Toronto thus far...maybe i am bias to the fact that they have beaten us once and tied us once and pretty much beat us a second time

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:01 PM
I should have elaborated but assumed folks would understand I mean with reference to firing someone after 3 months...that's a little absurd. Firing Winter now would also be absurd regardless of ones rage for well one massive bed shitting.


Yeah, and you're falling into the same bad habit as so many others on here and assuming something that most people have NOT said. Other than ER, who admits he would like to see Winter gone, I have not seen anyone else say they want Winter fired. And yet here we are discussing your accusation that people are demanding Winter's head. What gives?

Oh and how easily we forget Vancouver....Seattle...one bed shitting? What were those other games? A bed a roses?

rocker
05-30-2011, 04:01 PM
in all seriousness though, I felt like Vancouver has had a better season then Toronto thus far...maybe i am bias to the fact that they have beaten us once and tied us once and pretty much beat us a second time

perception is a strange thing really -- if it's all just about results, as some seem to think, TFC has had a better season so far.

BFin
05-30-2011, 04:01 PM
Their game against NYRB was back and forth and they could have had a full 3 points. Seems a bit premature, but I don't know the environment at Vancouver very well.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 04:02 PM
My biggest problem with Preki was my knowledge that the players were chaffing under him and it was only a matter of time before he lost the lockerroom. I had no problems with his initial results, I simply knew that it would not last.

And I do admit I did not like his style not because I wanted an attractive style but because I knew it was one-dimensional. I wasn't demanding "an attractive" style of footbal, I just wanted more intelligent football. I want a coach that adjusts. A coach that motivates. Neither Preki nor Winter fit these image of a coach for me. So despite their different styles, I see far too many similarities between them that worry me.

For me, it's not about results at the start, or results over a short period of time. For me, it's a matter of looking at a situation and projecting whether it can produce sustained results over the long term. I knew Preki couldn't do it, and I fear the same for Winter.

While Roogs and I haven't seen eye to eye on a few things, I'll give him credit here.

It was never a case of style or results with Roogs in regards to Preki. I know exactly of what he speaks. And he was always consistent on his take on Preki.

The one thing that Preki had going for him was that supporters were so starved for results that they forgave Preki for stylistic points - whatever that means - even though a) from all accounts he was an asshole and b) it was house made of straw.

My only thing is doesn't anyone at MLSE know how a) to hire someone with character and b) in turn, know how to evaluate personnel/player's character?

Over the years, they've hired personnel with questionable character which in turn has led to bringing in players who either don't care about the team, about their teammates or in general don't care about football it seems.

BFin
05-30-2011, 04:03 PM
Yeah, and you're falling into the same bad habit as so many others on here and assuming something that most people have NOT said. Other than ER, who admits he would like to see Winter gone, I have not seen anyone else say they want Winter fired. And yet here we are discussing your accusation that people are demanding Winter's head. What gives?

Oh and how easily we forget Vancouver....Seattle...one bed shitting? What were those other games? A bed a roses?

Roogsy (http://twitter.com/#%21/Roogsy)



I'm surprised by the #WhitecapsFC (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhitecapsFC) announcement today. But some organizations choose to take decisive steps & others are asleep at the wheel.

Maybe he was referencing this?

Whoop
05-30-2011, 04:04 PM
Yeah, and you're falling into the same bad habit as so many others on here and assuming something that most people have NOT said. Other than ER, who admits he would like to see Winter gone, I have not seen anyone else say they want Winter fired. And yet here we are discussing your accusation that people are demanding Winter's head. What gives?

Oh and how easily we forget Vancouver....Seattle...one bed shitting? What were those other games? A bed a roses?

But I'm 100% positive I saw a post from ER earlier last week where he said he liked Winter. LOL I'm not going to dig it up.

But either way, ER has been consistent in his stance.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:09 PM
If you're projecting results why did you dismiss my response to your "who scores the goals" question as invalid because it was a projection towards the end of the year? Are projections now okay?

A lot of hypocrisy and a lot of negativity. I'm sure someone can link the Whitecaps board for you if you'd like to post something positive for once.

I did not dismiss projecting goals as a valid exercise, I intentionally left it to the end of the year because goal-scoring is inherently streaky in a given year and there were going to be lineup changes anyways. To make a valid projection, you have to have a sustainable series of data to support your evidence. If Maicon scores historically once ever 3 games then we can say he is good for such and such number of goals this year. If Gordon scores once ever 4 games, we can also do the math. You wanted to do the math in APRIL for god's sakes after something stupid like Gordon scoring two games in a row. Where would your projections be now? Where will they be when lineup changes come with new players in the summer? Not taking those things into consideration was your mistake and it was something I was well aware of.

I can't claim that I knew we would have difficulty scoring goals this year. Or that Gordon would be injured. etc. But I was smart enough to know that the variables were far too volatile to make an educated projection in April, that's why I wanted to reserve my analysis on the goal-scoring value of this team until the end of the year. Maybe I should have let you make projections and then approach you now and ask you how things were going? How silly you would have looked.

And goals are a far different beast to project than impact a coach can have. We are all sports fans that have followed teams in many different sports for many years and we know the impact of a coach like Bowman vs a coach like Keenan. We had a Keenan last year and in fact, it was like Keenan on steroids. I saw it, I was concerned and I made it known. You also don't need an entire season to see whether a coach knows how to make tactical moves vs opponents. At this point, I think many have seen enough to voice concern over Winter's tactical acumen as well as his lineup selections. Will it get better? Let's hope so. But for now, there is definite reason for concern. Anyone who believes otherwise has blinders on.

How about you take that awesome positivity and help the team instead of worrying about how negative I am? I am sure you'd be an awesome motivational speaker to the players. They seem to need it.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:15 PM
Roogsy (http://twitter.com/#%21/Roogsy)



I'm surprised by the #WhitecapsFC (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhitecapsFC) announcement today. But some organizations choose to take decisive steps & others are asleep at the wheel.

Maybe he was referencing this?


And what does that mean exactly? I never said I agreed with the firing, in fact if you continue reading my tweets as you seem to be a "follower", you will notice that I mention that. I think it's a mistake. I think Teitur Tots is a decent coach and he was unlucky in some of his results (and weather). Nonetheless, if an organization feels a change is needed, and they decide to pull the trigger sooner rather than later, it's a decisive decision and shows confidence and commitment, regardless if I agree with it or not. That's far better than what MLSE did with Mo and Preki until it was way too late.

You read far too much in my tweet. Here's a tidbit of info you might not be aware of...tweets are only 140 characters. You can only fit so much of a point in them. Don't make too many assumptions big guy.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 04:16 PM
Winter, like TFC historically has been, has been wildly inconsistent this year.

There have been moments where TFC has played some great football and he's made some good decisions and you think "ok maybe they've turned the corner."

But the moment saw TFC's starting lineup on my drive down to BMO, I was thinking what the hell?

And then TFC shits the bed in the 1st half and then they start the 2nd half on fire and you're thinking "holy fuck, we could have an epic comeback here." I mean they shouldn't be in that position in the 1st place but holy crap.

And then it all came tumbling down on that 4th goal.

Right now all I'm asking for is a stretch of consistent play, on the good side, for a couple of games.

But that's what ever TFC season has been so far in its history. Small windows of consistently good play surrounded by crap.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 04:21 PM
There's also a difference between Vancouver and TFC.

Teitur was into his 4th season as coach. Winter is not even half way through his first.

Vancouver has had some time of stability so firing Teitur isn't a huge issue.

TFC has never had any stability, that's the only reason Winter is still around.

If TFC had some stability over the last 4 years, i.e. the same coach for the last 4 years before hiring Winter, Winter would have been gone by now.

Or conversely if this was Winter's 3rd or 4th year at the helm, he would have been fired already.

Problem is TFC needs some stability instead of some coaching carousel. Even though based on results, Winter is on a tightrope, TFC fires Winter in the summer, if result still haven't arrived by that point, which coach wants to come in now and fix the mess. Likely they'd just put Mariner in charge but did Mariner bring de Klerk in?

You got another mess and another coach and more revolving doors.

The lack of stability with TFC is likely the only thing saving Winter right now.

phonzo
05-30-2011, 04:23 PM
There are hints on this board some feel he should be gone but its the community at large that also has this insatiable demand for blood every time.

Winter himself has said he just wants consistent play...though he used the term balance in his post game interview...oh ESL :D

ArmenJBX
05-30-2011, 04:25 PM
I'm in California now, going to the Chivas v Whitecaps match.
It'll be interesting to see how Vancouver responds to this change

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:26 PM
There's also a difference between Vancouver and TFC.

Teitur was into his 4th season as coach. Winter is not even half way through his first.

Vancouver has had some time of stability so firing Teitur isn't a huge issue.

TFC has never had any stability, that's the only reason Winter is still around.

If TFC had some stability over the last 4 years, i.e. the same coach for the last 4 years before hiring Winter, Winter would have been gone by now.

Or conversely if this was Winter's 3rd or 4th year at the helm, he would have been fired already.

Problem is TFC needs some stability instead of some coaching carousel. Even though based on results, Winter is on a tightrope, TFC fires Winter in the summer, if result still haven't arrived by that point, which coach wants to come in now and fix the mess. Likely they'd just put Mariner in charge but did Mariner bring de Klerk in?

You got another mess and another coach and more revolving doors.

The lack of stability with TFC is likely the only thing saving Winter right now.

I agree with this. And I have no problems with it.

What I really hope happens is Winter gets his head on straight, stops this ludicrous allegiance to the 4-3-3 that can't possibly be implemented as quickly as he wanted, resolve all personnel issues from Nana right on up to the incoming DP sooner rather than later and stop letting his ego interfere with player selection on gameday.

In addition to that, Winter and Mariner need to work better together and start identifying players that will make an impact either this year or more likely next. Lucking out on player s approaching THEM is not a long-term solution. Can you imagine where we'd be if Eckersley's agent had not come calling?

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:27 PM
There are hints on this board some feel he should be gone but its the community at large that also has this insatiable demand for blood every time.


Ok how about you don't blame the posters on THIS board for the "community at large" and we'll be ok. :D

BFin
05-30-2011, 04:28 PM
How about you take that awesome positivity and help the team instead of worrying about how negative I am? I am sure you'd be an awesome motivational speaker to the players.

Believe me, if I could have any positive impact on this team I would do whatever I could to help out. That being said I still attend games and still use my loud voice whenever I can to help the supporters voice. Unfortunately I think my impact on the club won't ever stretch beyond that point...nature of the beast of sports.

I am positive Roogs. I attend when I can, I cheer the team wildly when I'm at home, and I try to look for positive things in each of the games. At this point I guess I am just tired of reading your constant stream of negativity and constant twisting of other people's points. Call it my fault for venturing over here and not staying in the Sports Talk portion, but I am sure I am not the only one.

As for what your tweet means exactly, I would have to look for you for that but from an outsiders perspective it says that you are shocked by Vancouver's move but happy to see a team make decisive actions like firing a 3 month old MLS coach. You didn't speak in the past-tense so I will have to assume that you are speaking about the present state of TFC as well.

Anyhow, our arguing is getting us nowhere and just making these threads longer. Catch ya in the sports talk.

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:31 PM
Tell you what, I will be THE most positive person on this board if TFC can string TWO wins back to back. Until then, as long as we're dropping points at home, getting bossed by expansion teams and continued personnel drama at TFC persist, that is what is going to dictate the kind of emotion that TFC generates in me. Want to see more positivity? Help us demand better results from the organization as a whole. Being positive for the sake of being positive is borderline schizo.

You're tired of my negativity? Why don't you ask the important question, is there good reason to be negative? If there is, don't blame me for being this way. If there isn't, then feel free to call me out. But calling me out for being negative when we're seeing that SHITSHOW on the pitch? Maybe it is better to stay in the All Sports Talk section.

Whoop
05-30-2011, 04:32 PM
The only thing I'll say and what people seem to forget is that Teitur wasn't fired after 3 months on the job. He was fired after 3 1/2 years on the job. Only thing is that his last 3 months have been in MLS.

I'm surprised by it because really I didn't think Vancouver was playing all that badly for a 1st year team. Maybe out west, in comparison to Portland, the Vancouver FO is feeling pressure, but I don't think that's the case.

I know a guy like Chiumiento was complaining about how he was being utilized.

Maybe it's a case of Teitur being more of a USL coach than a MLS coach.

denime
05-30-2011, 04:33 PM
How about you take that awesome positivity and help the team instead of worrying about how negative I am? I am sure you'd be an awesome motivational speaker to the players.

Believe me, if I could have any positive impact on this team I would do whatever I could to help out. That being said I still attend games and still use my loud voice whenever I can to help the supporters voice. Unfortunately I think my impact on the club won't ever stretch beyond that point...nature of the beast of sports.

I am positive Roogs. I attend when I can, I cheer the team wildly when I'm at home, and I try to look for positive things in each of the games. At this point I guess I am just tired of reading your constant stream of negativity and constant twisting of other people's points. Call it my fault for venturing over here and not staying in the Sports Talk portion, but I am sure I am not the only one.

As for what your tweet means exactly, I would have to look for you for that but from an outsiders perspective it says that you are shocked by Vancouver's move but happy to see a team make decisive actions like firing a 3 month old MLS coach. You didn't speak in the past-tense so I will have to assume that you are speaking about the present state of TFC as well.

Anyhow, our arguing is getting us nowhere and just making these threads longer. Catch ya in the sports talk.

+1

I think a time off from TFC will do you many good things for your health Roogsy.

I wonder how the thread about Whitecaps become again Roogsy's thread?

Roogsy
05-30-2011, 04:36 PM
My health is perfectly fine, thanks for your concern. Maybe your health will improve if you weren't so concerned over mine.

Beach_Red
05-30-2011, 04:39 PM
I agree with this. And I have no problems with it.

What I really hope happens is Winter gets his head on straight, stops this ludicrous allegiance to the 4-3-3 that can't possibly be implemented as quickly as he wanted, resolve all personnel issues from Nana right on up to the incoming DP sooner rather than later and stop letting his ego interfere with player selection on gameday.

In addition to that, Winter and Mariner need to work better together and start identifying players that will make an impact either this year or more likely next. Lucking out on player s approaching THEM is not a long-term solution. Can you imagine where we'd be if Eckersley's agent had not come calling?


Except for the bolded parts, this is a good post ;).

Do we know for sure it's ego? And, yes, they need to bring in more players.

rocker
05-30-2011, 04:43 PM
But why would you sign Tator Tots to an extension for 1 year if you had problems with him over the past 3 years? Actually, he had done fairly well with the Whitecaps in the USL/NASL. It's not like he had worn out his welcome with the fans or had had subpar performances in the past.

So yeah, he's been around with the Caps (unlike Winter with TFC, who has been here just a few months), but this is his first truly disappointing run of results (and people say Vancouver still looked competitive).

I still see this as a knee-jerk reaction......

BUt I still laugh at Tator and the plastic Whitecaps fans (who are the worst supporters in the Cascadia Cup!). hahahah.

TFC07
05-30-2011, 05:02 PM
But why would you sign Tator Tots to an extension for 1 year if you had problems with him over the past 3 years? Actually, he had done fairly well with the Whitecaps in the USL/NASL. It's not like he had worn out his welcome with the fans or had had subpar performances in the past.

So yeah, he's been around with the Caps (unlike Winter with TFC, who has been here just a few months), but this is his first truly disappointing run of results (and people say Vancouver still looked competitive).

I still see this as a knee-jerk reaction......

BUt I still laugh at Tator and the plastic Whitecaps fans (who are the worst supporters in the Cascadia Cup!). hahahah.

Maybe something off-pitch that got our friend Tator fired or maybe Vancouver really wants to make it to the playoffs this season so they fired him to try to save their season.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 05:05 PM
But why would you sign Tator Tots to an extension for 1 year if you had problems with him over the past 3 years? Actually, he had done fairly well with the Whitecaps in the USL/NASL. It's not like he had worn out his welcome with the fans or had had subpar performances in the past.

So yeah, he's been around with the Caps (unlike Winter with TFC, who has been here just a few months), but this is his first truly disappointing run of results (and people say Vancouver still looked competitive).

I still see this as a knee-jerk reaction......

BUt I still laugh at Tator and the plastic Whitecaps fans (who are the worst supporters in the Cascadia Cup!). hahahah.

The club wasn't going to keep him on in the first place and then did. That's why it was a one year extension and no more.

There were a lot of questions about whether Teitur Tots was the right guy to run Vancouver from the start. He had the supporters with him but the management obviously felt he wasn't pulling his weight. I doubt it was off the pitch stuff as has been suggested by someone else. It simply comes down to the fact that Vancouver's FO wanted more and they didn't feel he was doing it, and that he was out of his league.

rocker
05-30-2011, 05:05 PM
Maybe something off-pitch that got our friend Tator fired or maybe Vancouver really wants to make it to the playoffs this season so they fired him to try to save their season.

well, I guess we'll find out with time. Given that the players are all Tom Soehn's players, I wonder what effect changing the coach will have. Unless he feels Teitur wasn't using the players in the way he intended, I'm not sure how this makes the team better. It's not like the players weren't playing for him or weren't getting chances on goal.

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 05:06 PM
I agree with this. And I have no problems with it.

What I really hope happens is Winter gets his head on straight, stops this ludicrous allegiance to the 4-3-3 that can't possibly be implemented as quickly as he wanted, resolve all personnel issues from Nana right on up to the incoming DP sooner rather than later and stop letting his ego interfere with player selection on gameday.

In addition to that, Winter and Mariner need to work better together and start identifying players that will make an impact either this year or more likely next. Lucking out on player s approaching THEM is not a long-term solution. Can you imagine where we'd be if Eckersley's agent had not come calling?

Probably with 2 wins and a bunch of unsatisfying performances. :D

ensco
05-30-2011, 05:23 PM
Vancouver is underachieving. They have more talent than we do (esp Hassli and Rochat).

Shakes McQueen
05-30-2011, 05:54 PM
Anyone worked out this thread's TTR (Time To Roogsy) yet? haha

- Scott

MG42
05-30-2011, 06:23 PM
Vancouver is underachieving. They have more talent than we do (esp Hassli and Rochat).

that's it in a nutshell

http://ecdn2.hark.com/images/000/105/715/105715/original.jpg

billyfly
05-30-2011, 07:23 PM
Vancouver is underachieving. They have more talent than we do (esp Hassli and Rochat).

The 2nd DP is coming.

TFC07
05-30-2011, 09:38 PM
The 2nd DP is coming.

Coming in our dreams?

TFCRegina
05-30-2011, 09:56 PM
Coming in our dreams?

This guy.

http://www.actualidadfutbol.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mista1.jpg

scooter
05-31-2011, 08:42 AM
Winter, like TFC historically has been, has been wildly inconsistent this year.

There have been moments where TFC has played some great football and he's made some good decisions and you think "ok maybe they've turned the corner."

But the moment saw TFC's starting lineup on my drive down to BMO, I was thinking what the hell?

And then TFC shits the bed in the 1st half and then they start the 2nd half on fire and you're thinking "holy fuck, we could have an epic comeback here." I mean they shouldn't be in that position in the 1st place but holy crap.

And then it all came tumbling down on that 4th goal.

Right now all I'm asking for is a stretch of consistent play, on the good side, for a couple of games.

But that's what ever TFC season has been so far in its history. Small windows of consistently good play surrounded by crap.

right on
when i heard the line up announced at the field i was like are you kidding me especially the defensive back line ffs

mastermixer
05-31-2011, 08:50 AM
The 2nd DP is coming.

We have a 1st DP? Didnt see him in the last game, especially in the 2nd half.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-31-2011, 09:19 AM
The 2nd DP is coming.

anymore info on this???

scooter
05-31-2011, 09:43 AM
The 2nd DP is coming.

are we not getting rid of the first dp who is under acheiving and instead of being a ball distributer is a ball give awayer

then lets get 3 dp's---striker / mid / back