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69Chevy396
05-01-2011, 10:31 PM
I stopped cheering weeks ago, in a state of utter bewilderment and disappointment: Impressed by the continual support by RPB, but wonder if you start the silent treatment, no chants, no flags or scarves that this might have some influence on the direction of this miserable season. just saying.

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 10:34 PM
I think it's too early and there is still far too much mixed feelings about what is developing before us. Not cheering at the stadium should be something done in moments of crisis. This is a time to analyze and act not to panic and freak out.

69Chevy396
05-01-2011, 10:43 PM
It is always difficult to assess the impact spontaneous booing has on a team, and that has begun at the games. Leaving early does little. But the silent treatment is very noticeable as a sign of protest, I hope it is not needed, but contemplated if this shit lasts much longer.

rocktml
05-01-2011, 10:56 PM
LOUD AND PROUD! Enough with this silent treatment crap. Either support the club or go home. WAY TO EARLY in the season to start freaking out. Winter is not God! Winter cannot transfrom this club into a winning team in 7 days!

Heathen
05-01-2011, 11:17 PM
If I want to send a message I'll do it via my ST renewal in October, til then when I can be bothered to go to BMO I'll support the same way I've always done

wzhxvy
05-01-2011, 11:22 PM
I go to games to enjoy and unwind from my day to day life. Can we please not make this a miserable experience so early in the season...I will be the first wanting to protest after the season but I will not participate in anything until the end of this year.

craigtfc
05-01-2011, 11:23 PM
Bunch of puppets! Haven't done anything in 5 years

Azerban
05-02-2011, 06:12 AM
Bunch of puppets! Haven't done anything in 5 years

yeah i know right i'm just here for the ticket trader and the secret porn forum in the members section

menefreghista
05-02-2011, 06:21 AM
The atmosphere has been dieing down without any campaign anyways.

MKR
05-02-2011, 06:54 AM
LOUD AND PROUD! Enough with this silent treatment crap. Either support the club or go home. WAY TO EARLY in the season to start freaking out. Winter is not God! Winter cannot transfrom this club into a winning team in 7 days!

exactly. I've stayed home all season long and will continue to do so until i see a reason to do otherwise.

The loyalty some of you exhibit to this team is a little odd. TFC has only been around for a few years and yet they have done little to nothing for you, so why the need to return the return the favour when it's been all give and little take?

Fort York Redcoat
05-02-2011, 07:02 AM
exactly. I've stayed home all season long and will continue to do so until i see a reason to do otherwise.

The loyalty some of you exhibit to this team is a little odd. TFC has only been around for a few years and yet they have done little to nothing for you, so why the need to return the return the favour when it's been all give and little take?

So... you supported for 4 years but a fifth year that's crazy:rolleyes:. Most people, even most sports fans in this country would think the level of support shown any one of the years of TFC's existence was "a little odd".

I give you credit though. If you don't want to be there, don't be there.

prizby
05-02-2011, 07:12 AM
I stopped cheering weeks ago, in a state of utter bewilderment and disappointment: Impressed by the continual support by RPB, but wonder if you start the silent treatment, no chants, no flags or scarves that this might have some influence on the direction of this miserable season. just saying.

sorry but what is this going to influence...we are still shit

MKR
05-02-2011, 07:17 AM
So... you supported for 4 years but a fifth year that's crazy:rolleyes:. Most people, even most sports fans in this country would think the level of support shown any one of the years of TFC's existence was "a little odd".

I give you credit though. If you don't want to be there, don't be there.

YUP. i amtaking some time off until this team gets it's shit together.

I'll still keep my ear to the ground because i live in toronto and i like football, but i won't get emotionally invested in this team. Getting emotionally invested in this team (and having done so in the past) is just a bad idea. They're shite.

phonzo
05-02-2011, 07:21 AM
The loyalty some of you exhibit to this team is a little odd. TFC has only been around for a few years and yet they have done little to nothing for you, so why the need to return the return the favour when it's been all give and little take?

for those that wonder what the difference between a fan and a supporter is.

Now in response to the OP...it's to early and we have to give winter time. Winter may have made mistakes to date but he continues to steer the ship his way and let's see where it lands.

I'd suggest folks make it to an academy match to see what the system can do

Parkdale
05-02-2011, 07:38 AM
I <3 when registered users suggest we leave our flags and scarves at home.

actually no.

Technorgasm
05-02-2011, 08:01 AM
The boys on teh field need / deserve our support. end of.

FOR THE BOYS. . ON THE FIELD!

LEGEND TFC.

flambe
05-02-2011, 08:06 AM
....and the secret porn forum in the members section

lol.

Brooker
05-02-2011, 08:11 AM
If I can't cheer them on why am I going?

Parkdale
05-02-2011, 08:13 AM
this thread =

http://www.tensionnot.com/pictures/images/Aeroplane/Airplane-Nose-Dive-Crash.jpg

(nosedive)

Cashcleaner
05-02-2011, 08:18 AM
Separating your support for the team and criticism of it's management and ownership is actually rather easy. No really, it's pretty fucking fool-proof.

You know how some of you show up a few minutes early, grab a beer and hot dog, and maybe pick up a shirt or something from the club store before sitting down in your seat a few minutes before kick-off? Well I pretty much do the exact same thing, well, except for the part with the beer and hot dog and shirt.

Seriously, it's that fucking simple - stop buying shit from the club! You want a drink? Hit up Joe's before and after the match. Hungry for some nummies? There's street meat at the Dufferin Gates and over on Atlantic Avenue or you can grab some pub fare, roti, or even shawarma from any number of local shops. Want team merchandise? I haven't bought any official clothing from the club in two years and my last TFC-related purchases were from our own RPB merch team.

So yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. I still show up to games and cheer on my team, but I'm done giving MLSE anymore money for the foreseeable future. You can support the team while still sending a message to the owners.

Parkdale
05-02-2011, 08:20 AM
Separating your support for the team and criticism of it's management and ownership is actually rather easy. No really, it's pretty fucking fool-proof.

You know how some of you show up a few minutes early, grab a beer and hot dog, and maybe pick up a shirt or something from the club store before sitting down in your seat a few minutes before kick-off? Well I pretty much do the exact same thing, well, except for the part with the beer and hot dog and shirt.

Seriously, it's that fucking simple - stop buying shit from the club! You want a drink? Hit up Joe's before and after the match. Hungry for some nummies? There's street meat at the Dufferin Gates and over on Atlantic Avenue or you can grab some pub fare, roti, or even shawarma from any number of local shops. Want team merchandise? I haven't bought any official clothing from the club in two years and my last TFC-related purchases were from our own RPB merch team.

So yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. I still show up to games and cheer on my team, but I'm done giving MLSE anymore money for the foreseeable future. You can support the team while still sending a message to the owners.

that's pretty much it.

Gazza
05-02-2011, 08:21 AM
yeah i know right i'm just here for the ticket trader and the secret porn forum in the members section

It keeps getting more and more tempting to become a member. The handsome scarves are one thing, but secret porn forum?!

Can i put my 5 bucks on layaway?

tfcleeds
05-02-2011, 08:31 AM
Agreed that it's way too early to be talking about this protest stuff and that doing so at this point wouldn't serve much of a purpose. However, I also don't see the need to jump all over people if they've decided to form their own protest by stopping going to games. If that's the way they've chosen to express their displeasure with MLSE, so be it - it doesn't affect anyone else or their gameday experience, does it?

I know people who've been here from the very beginning, who have done a lot for this group who have decided paying through the nose for ST isn't in their best interests anymore, and/or have largely stopped going to games as well. That's their decision, so be it.

Oldtimer
05-02-2011, 08:49 AM
We really only have 2 choices:

(1) Give up on the team and go back to doing whatever we did before TFC came along.

(2) See Winter through the rebuilding. I for one didn't expect a crap team to suddenly become good with a few additions within MLS restrictions. We are at minus 1, not 0, as far as being an expansion team, because there is a lot to undo. People like Gargan are never going to be able to play a possession game, I'm afraid.

TOBOR !
05-02-2011, 09:03 AM
ha ha. I used to keep saying things like we're a 2nd year expansion side... we're a 3rd year expansion side, etc... This was all under Mo as he kept changing his players and his coaches and his playing philosophy. Under Preki we all lost patience and those two were shown the door.

Now we have new management, almost a completely new squad, and a new - potentially exciting - philosophy. If anything we are back to square one. A virtual first year expansion side. Learning on the job, if you will.

It's remarkable, the amount of change that we've seen in such a small amount of time. However, you have to see that things are looking up. It may be frustrating to many, and hard to expect anyone to think that this isn't a reworked version of the same song, but I see class in TFC that I haven't seen over the 5 years. I'm excited to see where Aron and Paul can take us - and I think they will take us places.

Years 1-4 - with a few exceptions - are dead to me. This is a new beginning.

It's too bad it wasn't like this from the start.

ExiledRed
05-02-2011, 09:30 AM
It's too bad it wasn't like this from the start.

Sorry Tobor you lost me. it wasnt like this from the start? It was better.

What is this improvement and class that people are seeing beneath the surface of our mediocrity?

After 8 games:
2007 - 2-5-1 (7 points)
2008 - 4-2-2 (14 points)
2009 - 3-2-3 (12 points)
2010 - 3-4-1 (10 points)
2011 - 1-3-4 (7 points)

KRO
05-02-2011, 09:44 AM
The loyalty some of you exhibit to this team is a little odd. TFC has only been around for a few years and yet they have done little to nothing for you, so why the need to return the favour when it's been all give and little take?

I have a season ticket and go to every game that I can because I enjoy the day out. It's my only opportunity to watch live football on a regular basis, which is much better than watching even the best teams from Europe on the box. I have no right to automatically expect a winning team although it would be nice for a change. I'm prepared to wait if I have to.

Bars92
05-02-2011, 09:50 AM
We really only have 2 choices:

(1) Give up on the team and go back to doing whatever we did before TFC came along.

(2) See Winter through the rebuilding. I for one didn't expect a crap team to suddenly become good with a few additions within MLS restrictions. We are at minus 1, not 0, as far as being an expansion team, because there is a lot to undo. People like Gargan are never going to be able to play a possession game, I'm afraid.

Not going back to the Argos. No way. Which I supported because it was the only 'football' we had.
:facepalm:

TOBOR !
05-02-2011, 09:58 AM
Sorry Tobor you lost me. it wasnt like this from the start? It was better.

What is this improvement and class that people are seeing beneath the surface of our mediocrity?

After 8 games:
2007 - 2-5-1 (7 points)
2008 - 4-2-2 (14 points)
2009 - 3-2-3 (12 points)
2010 - 3-4-1 (10 points)
2011 - 1-3-4 (7 points)

It's not about on-field results. It's about off-field management and vision.

We're going to experience year one performance given the situation we are in - new boss, new ideas, loads of new players.

What i'm saying is it's too bad it wasn't this boss with his vison, back in 2007... or rather it's too bad that this isn't actually our first year (because in 5 years from now I bet we'll be in much better shape than we are after the first 5).

JamboAl
05-02-2011, 10:01 AM
I think it's pathetic to see people on this board saying that they are going to stay away until the team gets better. Isn't that the prototypical "bandwagon" fan that many a sports fan talk openly against.

A true supporter will criticize when the team plays poorly or will raise issues or do something in their own way when there's something they don't like. But you still show up and support the team if and when you can. Why? Because it's the team you love and associate with. We are saddled with them in bad times and blessed by them in good times.

TOBOR !
05-02-2011, 10:06 AM
I think it's pathetic to see people on this board saying that they are going to stay away until the team gets better. Isn't that the prototypical "bandwagon" fan that many a sports fan talk openly against.

A true supporter will criticize when the team plays poorly or will raise issues or do something in their own way when there's something they don't like. But you still show up and support the team if and when you can. Why? Because it's the team you love and associate with. We are saddled with them in bad times and blessed by them in good times.

Yes, but to be fair in order to evoke change you have to be able to use tools that are available to you.

Silent protests, empty seats, etc.

Simply going to the games and cheering on the lads in spite of everything will only get you a footballing version of the Leafs.

We need to articulate our thoughts and use actions for management to see consequences.

Gazza
05-02-2011, 10:06 AM
I understand that some people don't want to feed the mouth that bites them.

I often wonder if i just support this team because i've lost my mind. Years of failure and expensive booze has taken its toll. But i hope for better days, and continue my support. Because if we ever turn this around, we will be the loudest and most obnoxious fanbase this league has ever seen. And i do not want to miss out on that!

Fort York Redcoat
05-02-2011, 10:27 AM
Support Local Football.

MKR
05-02-2011, 10:36 AM
I think it's pathetic to see people on this board saying that they are going to stay away until the team gets better. Isn't that the prototypical "bandwagon" fan that many a sports fan talk openly against.



Well it's all subjective. If they gave prizes for the best fans... or sorry supporters then i guess i wouldn't win anything. However in real life i hope to win back some of my sanity by not watching every minute of the worst sports team i have ever witnessed.

Gazza
05-02-2011, 10:45 AM
Well it's all subjective. If they gave prizes for the best fans... or sorry supporters then i guess i wouldn't win anything. However in real life i hope to win back some of my sanity by not watching every minute of the worst sports team i have ever witnessed.

You obviously didn't witness an Ottawa Senators game this season.

MKR
05-02-2011, 10:48 AM
You obviously didn't witness an Ottawa Senators game this season.
ha. i meant followed as in this is by far the shittiest team i have ever followed.

mastermixer
05-02-2011, 11:04 AM
I'm going to have to go with some peoples approach on here and just hold back how I support this team until it's worth putting more effort into. I sit in the reds which are prob 4times the price of the supporters section tickets, and I'm not exactly made of money, so I grit and bear buying these tickets year after year.

Yet up until this weekend I was supporting this club 7 days a week with heart and emotion like I've never supported a team before. But I've seen enough for now. MLSE keeps fooling us with fancy marketing videos and "The Fifth Season" BS propoganda nicely polished to make Winter look like the saviour.

It reminds me of these infomercials you see late at night selling crap, and somehow they keep convincing people that it's good crap but once you see it in person your disappointed.

I don't want to be fooled like this anymore. I just want what I paid for, a good product.

I'll still go to the games, but my passion is wearing thin.

JamboAl
05-02-2011, 11:39 AM
I fully respect people's opinions on how they support the team. I have no problems with silent protests and not buying anything at the stadium...in fact, I'm all for it. I think what gets me is that when a team becomes successful (and at some point in our lifetimes, this team will become that), people come out of the woodwork like they've been always there.

Should it annoy me? Probably not. But for some inane reason, it does. And even though I'm not a Sens fan, people here in Ottawa are perfect examples of bandwagon jumping at its best.

Chevy
05-02-2011, 11:43 AM
I think it's pathetic to see people on this board saying that they are going to stay away until the team gets better. Isn't that the prototypical "bandwagon" fan that many a sports fan talk openly against.

A true supporter will criticize when the team plays poorly or will raise issues or do something in their own way when there's something they don't like. But you still show up and support the team if and when you can. Why? Because it's the team you love and associate with. We are saddled with them in bad times and blessed by them in good times.

Well said.

NBS
05-02-2011, 11:47 AM
I stopped cheering weeks ago, in a state of utter bewilderment and disappointment: Impressed by the continual support by RPB, but wonder if you start the silent treatment, no chants, no flags or scarves that this might have some influence on the direction of this miserable season. just saying.

You want to affect change, okay, what specific suggestions do you have for getting the product on the field going in the right direction? Otherwise you are just pouting.

They changed the GM, the players and the coach in an effort to try and instill a culture. I like those moves and by definition it won't happen overnight. So now what? Fire them all again? Start all over again? Do this 25 times a season? Expecting action because you are upset about the prior wasted years will only result in turning 5 miserable years into 10.

ochos
05-02-2011, 12:22 PM
Lol someone close this thread.

TFC Cityboy
05-02-2011, 12:26 PM
You want to affect change, okay, what specific suggestions do you have for getting the product on the field going in the right direction? Otherwise you are just pouting.

They changed the GM, the players and the coach in an effort to try and instill a culture. I like those moves and by definition it won't happen overnight. So now what? Fire them all again? Start all over again? Do this 25 times a season? Expecting action because you are upset about the prior wasted years will only result in turning 5 miserable years into 10.

Agree 100%
Tho saturday was embarrasing, people need to give Winter and Mariner time. Otherwise we may as well roll up the grass, knock down the stands and give it all up as yet another failed football experiment in Toronto.

Some of us (the majority I hope) are in this for the long haul.

Parkdale
05-02-2011, 12:41 PM
yeah, I've never really agreed with the 'stop going' mindset.

if the TFC experience is so bad that it's beyond recovery, then sure, step away.
BUT keep in mind that when you step away, you are no longer a paying customer,
so that is the last statement you make that the team will listen to.

It's a bold statement, but the end of it.

Well I guess people do still come on here..... but when they start a gripe with
"I gave up my tickets after....." it's very easy to tune it out.

Yagbod
05-02-2011, 12:58 PM
This really should go without saying: we are a supporters group. We support Toronto FC, not MLSE, but TFC. And we should support the team through thick and thin, even when it is mostly thin.

Additionally, I echo those numerous comments above: We are 8 games into a new rebuild. It does not matter if this is rebuild #5 in five years. You have to give it a chance to work.

Stop buying things there if you want to hurt the MLSE bottom line, but support the team.

Detroit_TFC
05-02-2011, 01:18 PM
We really only have 2 choices:

(1) Give up on the team and go back to doing whatever we did before TFC came along.

(2) See Winter through the rebuilding. I for one didn't expect a crap team to suddenly become good with a few additions within MLS restrictions. We are at minus 1, not 0, as far as being an expansion team, because there is a lot to undo. People like Gargan are never going to be able to play a possession game, I'm afraid.

This sums up my thinking. You can be mad at MLSE for mismanaging things over the last five years but not what they are doing right this minute. I'm not sure what else they should be doing. Maybe if AW asks for a DP and they say no, but I don't think that is going to happen.

ryan
05-02-2011, 01:25 PM
This really should go without saying: we are a supporters group. We support Toronto FC, not MLSE, but TFC. And we should support the team through thick and thin, even when it is mostly thin.

Additionally, I echo those numerous comments above: We are 8 games into a new rebuild. It does not matter if this is rebuild #5 in five years. You have to give it a chance to work.

Stop buying things there if you want to hurt the MLSE bottom line, but support the team.

So sneak into the stadium and BYOB?

Suds
05-02-2011, 01:26 PM
So sneak into the stadium and BYOB?

Best suggestion posted on the board today. :D

Oldtimer
05-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Just picture this:

if we keep the same coach for a few years, the stability will help the team play better. Now let's say he's not good enough to win the cup. Then we could consider needing to replace him.

Note that RSL wasn't good when Kreis first took over. They were garbage. Here was their 2007 record:


The franchise launched a massive re-construction project that continued throughout the year. Cunningham – who had feuded with Kreis on more than one occasion – was traded to Toronto. Tejada was out-of-shape and played just two minutes for RSL before being released. Adu left mid-season to pursue a career in Portugal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal). By the end of the year, several other key players – such as Ballouchy and Klein – had been traded away. In addition, veteran defender Eddie Pope retired. The team finished with a disappointing 6-15-9 record, missing the playoffs yet again.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Salt_Lake

If their fans were like TFC's, the fans would have demanded a coaching change, and if listened to, that MLS Cup and that great CCL run would never have happened. Note that RSL traded away one of the all-time league scorers because of attitude issues (yeah, I know it's Cunningham, but he had a great record at the time).

It would have been totally reasonable to demand to change coaches, given that Kreis was an ex-player, with zero coaching experience. It took over 2 years before they had a winning team (they were less than .500 when they squeaked into the 2009 playoffs).

One of the reasons that TFC has done so horribly is the new coach every year syndrome. When NY was crap, that's what they were doing. If we change the coach at the end of the year, you can kiss the 2012 playoffs goodbye.

Yagbod
05-02-2011, 01:49 PM
So sneak into the stadium and BYOB?

Works for me, or it would, if I had the balls to try.

Oblio2
05-02-2011, 02:27 PM
http://imgusr.tradekey.com/images/uploadedimages/products/1/4/football-beer-drinking-hat-beer-drinking-helmet_B4433974-20100621014914.jpg

__wowza
05-02-2011, 02:36 PM
if we keep the same coach for a few years, the stability will help the team play better.

agreed. i can't fathom the number of times we've had supporters complain about the rotating roster, then call for the gaffers head. i, for one, was a firm supporter of giving preki another year. although i realize why he was released, i didn't like it.

mark my words, give this team 3 years at max.. AT MAX.. and you'll see a deep CCL run and a decent playoff berth. this organization has show signs that it wants to improve, and i honestly believe that it does. if that makes me a sheep, then so be it.

Heathen
05-02-2011, 02:46 PM
agreed. i can't fathom the number of times we've had supporters complain about the rotating roster, then call for the gaffers head. i, for one, was a firm supporter of giving preki another year. although i realize why he was released, i didn't like it.

mark my words, give this team 3 years at max.. AT MAX.. and you'll see a deep CCL run and a decent playoff berth. this organization has show signs that it wants to improve, and i honestly believe that it does. if that makes me a sheep, then so be it.

Sorry but I call bullshit on all this talk of people calling for Winter's head, there are too many around here who equate criticism with wanting him gone which is a massive leap. I haven't seen one post saying he should be sacked.

ryan
05-02-2011, 03:01 PM
Works for me, or it would, if I had the balls to try.

I've debated using fishing line, a knapsack full of goods and aggressive pricing to opening my own beer shop in the top of 111.

I'll hand out flyers if it ever comes to be.

:hump:

Pookie
05-02-2011, 03:06 PM
A couple of things wrong, IMO, with this notion of the silent treatment

1) You are proposing protesting results. Folks can argue about mis-management through the past but in this season, the investment in the Academy and Winter/Mariner developing connections with folks other than First Wave is nothing but positive.

2) Since you are proposing protesting results and will only cheer when they string together some victories then you are a bangwagon jumper

3) There is a very big sense of self importance to think that being quiet actually has any impact on the FO. Sit anywhere in the stadium outside of 111-113 and tell me that being "loud" is something that TFC FO wants to encourage. They don't care when half the stadium shows up late, or leaves early or sits on their hands.

dupont
05-02-2011, 03:07 PM
I go to every game and cheer my head off. I want to have fun at the games and I love TFC. Even if they suck all season, I will never stop cheering.

Oldtimer
05-02-2011, 03:11 PM
Sorry but I call bullshit on all this talk of people calling for Winter's head, there are too many around here who equate criticism with wanting him gone which is a massive leap. I haven't seen one post saying he should be sacked.

My bad, I thought that was the whole point of this "protest."

Then what kind of message are supposed to be sending MLSE?

We want a DP striker now (never mind if he fits with the team)? It should be Winter and Mariner who build the squad.

Now if he had a great DP that they wanted signed, and MLSE was cheaping out, then we would have something to protest.

Or... do you want to send a message to the players that you are upset? What would that accomplish?

I hate this idea of protesting for the sake of protesting. If that's what it's coming to, I'll check out. I'll watch the games, and you guys do the protesting.

Wull
05-02-2011, 03:16 PM
I think we can support while they understand we're not happy. I thought the DC game was a good example of it. Winter's not an idiot, he knew we played like shit and that's why he sent them well over into the corner to applaud. He gets it, and if others above him don't, I'm confident he'll actually tell them unlike other people we had in charge before.

J .
05-02-2011, 03:18 PM
Toronto till I die.

Full 90.

Pookie
05-02-2011, 03:21 PM
We want a DP striker now (never mind if he fits with the team)?

... or that the transfer window is closed until the summer

Shep
05-02-2011, 03:30 PM
Toronto till I die.

Full 90.

+ injury time

:scarf:

__wowza
05-02-2011, 03:44 PM
Sorry but I call bullshit on all this talk of people calling for Winter's head, there are too many around here who equate criticism with wanting him gone which is a massive leap. I haven't seen one post saying he should be sacked.


move them on is what I am saying ..
Who makes these decisions????
get rid of them they are not doing a good enough job


DangerRed:
What I honestly think we need is a coach with MLS experience or with (save your outrage everyone) EPL or League 1 experience. The MLS game is as close to the direct, shut-down style of the English game as I've ever seen.

I'm not saying we should sack Winter. But buddy's learning-on-the-job experience needs to wrap up. Now.
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when certain criticism is akin to "i'm not saying he should be sacked, but he never should've been hired in the first place!", and people saying the only reason we should keep him is to keep a manager for longer then a year, then that says something.

also, re-read my post. you're assuming i only meant winter.

Heathen
05-02-2011, 03:57 PM
DangerRed:
What I honestly think we need is a coach with MLS experience or with (save your outrage everyone) EPL or League 1 experience. The MLS game is as close to the direct, shut-down style of the English game as I've ever seen.

I'm not saying we should sack Winter. But buddy's learning-on-the-job experience needs to wrap up. Now.
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when certain criticism is akin to "i'm not saying he should be sacked, but he never should've been hired in the first place!", and people saying the only reason we should keep him is to keep a manager for longer then a year, then that says something.

also, re-read my post. you're assuming i only meant winter.

So you found one who actually says sack him and your other example is Danger Red who say's don't sack him but believes a manager with different experience would have been a better choice.
Come on! you might as well say that anyone who doesn't agree with everything he's done (and going to do) and gives him a 100% approval rating wants him sacked too.

Heathen
05-02-2011, 03:58 PM
My bad, I thought that was the whole point of this "protest."

Then what kind of message are supposed to be sending MLSE?

We want a DP striker now (never mind if he fits with the team)? It should be Winter and Mariner who build the squad.

Now if he had a great DP that they wanted signed, and MLSE was cheaping out, then we would have something to protest.

Or... do you want to send a message to the players that you are upset? What would that accomplish?

I hate this idea of protesting for the sake of protesting. If that's what it's coming to, I'll check out. I'll watch the games, and you guys do the protesting.

Don't ask me, I'm not protesting send a PM to whoever started this thread

Torontotonto
05-02-2011, 03:59 PM
Supporters through good & bad times.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... love you!
We love you!
We love you!

and where you go
We follow!
We Follow!
We Follow!

'cause we support Toronto
Toronto!
Toronto!

and that's the way we like it!
We like it!
We Like it!

OOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOH
OOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOH
OOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOH
OOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOH

:drum::flare::scarf::flare::drum:

Flipityflu
05-02-2011, 04:26 PM
yeah, I've never really agreed with the 'stop going' mindset.

if the TFC experience is so bad that it's beyond recovery, then sure, step away.
BUT keep in mind that when you step away, you are no longer a paying customer,
so that is the last statement you make that the team will listen to.

It's a bold statement, but the end of it.

Well I guess people do still come on here..... but when they start a gripe with
"I gave up my tickets after....." it's very easy to tune it out.

Its not the end of it by any means. Those that have given up their tickets should be the ones that MLSE should be trying to win back most. You think after 4 years that there is still an untouched market? How much money do you think TFC made three years ago in merch? How much do you think they will make this year? In the end, I think MLSE must realize that this is not the Leafs, and business will be hurt if they don't provide a winning team. The only problem is, that they decided on a group that want to create a system that will take 2-3 years to harvest results.

Giving up season tickets does have a good side effect...you don't feel as though MLSE is sticking their hand in your pocket, and it takes away the bitterness. I can support the club without spending anything on them, which is my plan this season. Plan on an away trip though.

Oh, and on topic, I think if you show up to BMO, sing. its management that should suffer, not the players.

kaos197O
05-02-2011, 04:58 PM
agreed. i can't fathom the number of times we've had supporters complain about the rotating roster, then call for the gaffers head. i, for one, was a firm supporter of giving preki another year. although i realize why he was released, i didn't like it.

mark my words, give this team 3 years at max.. AT MAX.. and you'll see a deep CCL run and a decent playoff berth. this organization has show signs that it wants to improve, and i honestly believe that it does. if that makes me a sheep, then so be it.
I am not so sure that this roster won't get blown up again before the beginning of next season though. It honestly feels like we are going to endure an entire season filled with what should be pre-season games only to follow it with another pre-season filled with new additions, albeit we will have had 1 full year to search out who we want to plug into the holes that exist, essentially making it our first REAL pre-season but.....

As our squad stands right now, how many of our starting 11 do you see remaining on this squad come seasons end? I think that maybe 4 or 5 will be here again next year. Maybe!

I don't think you are wrong/a sheep, about making a good run in 2 or 3 years but Mariner and Winter need to be doing A LOT of work right now to get the team that will eventually bring us some success into place for the future. I however am not quite as optimistic based on what I've seen so far.

nascarguy
05-02-2011, 05:00 PM
this thread =

http://www.tensionnot.com/pictures/images/Aeroplane/Airplane-Nose-Dive-Crash.jpg

(nosedive)
nope thats MLSE

69Chevy396
05-02-2011, 05:44 PM
Sorry to stir you guys up, your contribution to the BMO experience is appreciated, and often provides the only reminder that I am at a pro soccer game, you help create the atmosphere that we all want here in Toronto. I am having a hard time accepting the new mgr when I see players like Gargan on the field and Dero being traded because he had the guts to argue with his boss. Again, sorry, close this thread, it is too negative, I did not intend to do this.

ManUtd4ever
05-02-2011, 05:53 PM
If anyone feels like we've been taken for fools by MLSE, keep in mind that we could be worse off.

Take the U.S. government for example. Consider how the citizens of the United States feel after being expected to actually believe today's headlines.

ochos
05-02-2011, 06:22 PM
If anyone feels like we've been taken for fools by MLSE, keep in mind that we could be worse off.

Take the U.S. government for example. Consider how the citizens of the United States feel after being expected to actually believe today's headlines.

I'm sure most Canadians believe it too, unfortunately..

prizby
05-02-2011, 07:13 PM
Sorry Tobor you lost me. it wasnt like this from the start? It was better.

What is this improvement and class that people are seeing beneath the surface of our mediocrity?

After 8 games:
2007 - 2-5-1 (7 points)
2008 - 4-2-2 (14 points)
2009 - 3-2-3 (12 points)
2010 - 3-4-1 (10 points)
2011 - 1-3-4 (7 points)

Alex Ferguson had 4 points thus far in his first season with United

jazzy
05-02-2011, 07:33 PM
I go to games to enjoy and unwind from my day to day life. Can we please not make this a miserable experience so early in the season...I will be the first wanting to protest after the season but I will not participate in anything until the end of this year.

exactly.....and I feel for Winter,....his hopes are quietly being dashed.......and judging the teachers non commitmental, jumping ship , yes it can get worse!...The ONLY hope I feel is through extrordinary efforts from the right people for the right reasons....and Winter, is I feel truly is thankful for our support.........I am going outlast MLSE's shit

Oldtimer
05-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Sorry to stir you guys up, your contribution to the BMO experience is appreciated, and often provides the only reminder that I am at a pro soccer game, you help create the atmosphere that we all want here in Toronto. I am having a hard time accepting the new mgr when I see players like Gargan on the field and Dero being traded because he had the guts to argue with his boss. Again, sorry, close this thread, it is too negative, I did not intend to do this.

closed per your request.