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Batman
04-30-2011, 10:59 PM
discuss or cry

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:00 PM
Gargan sucks

ryan
04-30-2011, 11:00 PM
Well, FC Edmonton now realizes just how bad they are.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:00 PM
This team needs dismantling, an embarrassment.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:01 PM
Ratings:
Frei 8
Gargan 0
Williams 2
Cann 2
Borman 2
Peterson 0
Stefanovic 2
Yourrasofsky 3
Gordon 2
De Guzman 2
Martina 2
Subs: 3

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:01 PM
Wow! Could sturgis blow seattle anymore in the post game interview....

TFC Cityboy
04-30-2011, 11:01 PM
very very embarassing indeed.we were lucky to get nil. Without Stef that's a 6-0 defeat.

CoachGT
04-30-2011, 11:02 PM
Poor showing on the backline. I'm disappointed with the lineup choices tonight. Gargan has been exposed enough. Midfield was poor. No shots. Damn.

Batman
04-30-2011, 11:03 PM
very very embarassing indeed.we were lucky to get nil. Without Stef that's a 6-0 defeat.

yep.

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:03 PM
A big problem that we have is the left and right flank beside JDG...

BS1327
04-30-2011, 11:03 PM
Maybe the Sounder fans will take pity and redirect the forum to the furry porn again to cheer us up...

Terrible game. Awful passing leading to way too many giveaways. Only plus was Frei, who made several fantastic saves, or else this game probably would've been near 10-0.

bgnewf
04-30-2011, 11:03 PM
Only one player remotely earned his pay for Toronto FC this evening..... AND HE WAS NOT WEARING RED!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and another thing, who does our much vaunted "captain" keep getting subbed game after game after game? Kind of hard to lead there Mr. Maicon from the bench!!!

Give the armband to either Frei or Cann, the only two players remotely like real fucking professional leaders in this entire outfit.

Vince Whirlwind
04-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Even though that was a road game...can I have my money back?

Batman
04-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Wow! Could sturgis blow seattle anymore in the post game interview....

why. what did he say that wasn't true. 40,000 very active supporters make for a hell of an atmosphere. I think there were even standing in the expensive seats.

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Ratings:
Frei 8
Gargan 0
Williams 2
Cann 2
Borman 2
Peterson 0
Stefanovic 2
Yourrasofsky 3
Gordon 2
De Guzman 2
Martina 2
Subs: 3

JDG -12

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:06 PM
This is the worst professional team I've ever seen.

azorean10
04-30-2011, 11:06 PM
I think Winter will quit soon...just watch

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
JDG -12
. :D

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
Total Football

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
The player to the right of JDG should be able to connect JDG+himself+Martina on the right side and then on the left side of JDG, that player (player b) should be able to connect JDG+ himself (b)+Stevanovic!

We don't have anyone like that

Batman
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
Only one player remotely earned his pay for Toronto FC this evening..... AND HE WAS NOT WEARING RED!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and another thing, who does our much vaunted "captain" keep getting subbed game after game after game? Kind of hard to lead there Mr. Maicon from the bench!!!

Give the armband to either Frei or Cann, the only two players remotely like real fucking professional leaders in this entire outfit.


Maicon just seems not to have really showed up this year.

It sure looks like he's not really interested.

And frankly, if I was Frei, I'd be starting to look for greener pastures too.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/361254-drew_carey.jpg

" Welcome to 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?' the show where everything's made up and the points don't matter. That's right the points are meaningless, just ask TFC "

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
How many posts you reckon before someone tries to put a positive spin on this shit

brad
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
I think Winter will quit soon...just watch

I think he'll walk before the end of the season.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
I think Winter will quit soon...just watch
Wouldn't surprise me. What a legacy Johnston left.

Redcoe15
04-30-2011, 11:08 PM
If by "fun" you mean "did you enjoy getting fucked up the ass with a plugged in curling iron turned up to max?", then no. :mad:

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:09 PM
Total Football
Total
Fukcing
Crap

:D

markus
04-30-2011, 11:09 PM
"Who was your Carlsberg Man of the Match against Seattle?"
I hope that the there is only one player you can vote for...
S. Frei

Batman
04-30-2011, 11:09 PM
How many posts you reckon before someone tries to put a positive spin on this shit

na, not this time.

Couchy81
04-30-2011, 11:10 PM
Let's hope Mariner makes some moves soon.

Gargan and Peterson should never play for us again.

Maicon is a 70th minute sub not a captain.

How depressing is it that I miss the 2009 team?

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:10 PM
Get rid of gargan!

Dreadlocks
04-30-2011, 11:10 PM
Only one player remotely earned his pay for Toronto FC this evening..... AND HE WAS NOT WEARING RED!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and another thing, who does our much vaunted "captain" keep getting subbed game after game after game? Kind of hard to lead there Mr. Maicon from the bench!!!

Give the armband to either Frei or Cann, the only two players remotely like real fucking professional leaders in this entire outfit.

Should be Frei. Hands down. But if I were him, I wouldn't wear the band for this team.....

The whole team looked horrible. None of our so called skilled players made the right decisions at all when on the ball.

And the rest of them were just scared.

Fail all the way around....(excluding Frei)

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:11 PM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/361254-drew_carey.jpg

" Welcome to 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?' the show where everything's made up and the points don't matter. That's right the points are meaningless, just ask TFC "

Post takes the cake. Sadly, we have no fat players anymore and Gerba scores for Montreal, so nobody can eat it.

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:11 PM
Winter's rapidly turning me into Austin Powers's dad

bgnewf
04-30-2011, 11:11 PM
Paying customers deserve a club that does everything it can possibly do to succeed on the field. Frankly not sure that we have that here.

I am growing more and more concerned that this "style" of play we are attempting to implement is possibly not a realistic one for this league considering that there is a skinflint style of salary cap in placeand a relatively thin talent pool of players that produce very few with the right kinds of skill sets to play it and make it work.

And it seems to me that every single opponent in MLS we have faced this season has the tactics down to stop this 4-3-3 approach...

Play a 4-4-2!

Batman
04-30-2011, 11:12 PM
If by "fun" you mean "did you enjoy getting fucked up the ass with a plugged in curling iron turned up to max?", then no. :mad:

Coincidentally, I happened to see the movie Deliverance this week.

Now I know what this game reminded me of.

SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!

Redcoe15
04-30-2011, 11:12 PM
Total
Fukcing
Crap

:D
Been like that since the Mo Johnston era. :mad:

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:13 PM
Why can't Nana and Cann start at the back?? Someone please explain why this isn't happening....

brad
04-30-2011, 11:14 PM
I am growing more and more concerned that this "style" of play we are attempting to implement is possibly not a realistic one for this league considering that there is a skinflint style of salary cap in placeand a relatively thin talent pool of players that produce very few with the right kinds of skill sets to play it and make it work.

And it seems to me that every single opponent in MLS we have faced this season has the tactics down to stop this 4-3-3 approach...

Play a 4-4-2!

I've been saying this since the Vancouver game. Direct 4-4-2 is the way to go.

jloome
04-30-2011, 11:14 PM
Paying customers deserve a club that does everything it can possibly do to succeed on the field. Frankly not sure that we have that here.

I am growing more and more concerned that this "style" of play we are attempting to implement is possibly not a realistic one for this league considering that there is a skinflint style of salary cap in placeand a relatively thin talent pool of players that produce very few with the right kinds of skill sets to play it and make it work.

And it seems to me that every single opponent in MLS we have faced this season has the tactics down to stop this 4-3-3 approach...

Play a 4-4-2!

The shape is not the issue. It's the players and the approach to buildup, the lack of smart decisions, and the lack of adaptation to obvious tactical approaches by the opposition.

This team would be even worse if we changed the shape right now.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:15 PM
Let's hope Mariner makes some moves soon.

Gargan and Peterson should never play for us again.

Maicon is a 70th minute sub not a captain.

How depressing is it that I miss the 2009 team?

Gargan and Peterson are paid to play soccer.
Read that again.
Believe it or not, it's true.

azorean10
04-30-2011, 11:15 PM
What i don't understand is other teams seem to find quality players that they can sign within their budgets, especially from central and south america....what is wrong with this team? Our signings are / have been so underwhelming, how hard can this be? get a fucken scouting department....

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
Paying customers deserve a club that does everything it can possibly do to succeed on the field. Frankly not sure that we have that here.

I am growing more and more concerned that this "style" of play we are attempting to implement is possibly not a realistic one for this league considering that there is a skinflint style of salary cap in placeand a relatively thin talent pool of players that produce very few with the right kinds of skill sets to play it and make it work.

And it seems to me that every single opponent in MLS we have faced this season has the tactics down to stop this 4-3-3 approach...

Play a 4-4-2!

its not the 4-3-3 thats the problem

Vince Whirlwind
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
Winter should make a statement with Santos...he (Santos) makes Robert look like a keener.

los sonadores
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
Santos was a strange choice for captain. His English is really poor too.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
Was Eckersley hurt or something? Nana should've been RB. Cordon should be starting over Peterson since Tchani was suspended. Plata should be starting over Stevanovic ( he has the skill, but he just doesn't use it properly) And Yourassowsky should be starting at LB.

Maicon isn't a bad player, he just isn't effective in his new role. I would just put Cordon there.

Winter should take full blame. Not only did he continue to start players who aren't even good enough for the bench, the subs he made was laughable. We needed to attack, so he basically took out all the creative players and put in defensive shit players like Sturgis and Gold. Ridiculous.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
Why can't Nana and Cann start at the back?? Someone please explain why this isn't happening....
Because they're both crap, especially Attakora.
Cann only looks OK because the rest are shit.

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:17 PM
Winter post game right now! He is pissed!

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:17 PM
Santos was a strange choice for captain. His English is really poor too.
So is his football.

Eckersley must be injured....or maybe he hasn't got his US visa yet ?

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:17 PM
Winter should take full blame.

it's a pity.

Dreadlocks
04-30-2011, 11:18 PM
Winter is "so upset" about all the long balls...

Also called out the most experienced players

jloome
04-30-2011, 11:18 PM
Winter: "We didn't play well. We are afraid to get the ball.

I think most of them were under pressure. I don't know."

Then he blames veteran players for not stepping up.

"It's made me more confused," he says.

Not sounding good.

brad
04-30-2011, 11:18 PM
its not the 4-3-3 thats the problem

It's the players. But you don't play a difficult technical system with limited players that are not familiar with it.

markus
04-30-2011, 11:19 PM
Newsflash...
GolTV will be sending refunds...to everyone who just spent two hours of their life watching today's__________ (fill in the blank)

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:19 PM
Winter says the boys are not doing what he is asking of them!

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:20 PM
Winter is "so upset" about all the long balls...

Also called out the most experienced players

Nearly every pass was played to someone who was marked.

Vince Whirlwind
04-30-2011, 11:20 PM
Was Eckersley hurt or something? Nana should've been RB. Cordon should be starting over Peterson since Tchani was suspended. Plata should be starting over Stevanovic ( he has the skill, but he just doesn't use it properly) And Yourassowsky should be starting at LB.

Maicon isn't a bad player, he just isn't effective in his new role. I would just put Cordon there.

Winter should take full blame. Not only did he continue to start players who aren't even good enough for the bench, the subs he made was laughable. We needed to attack, so he basically took out all the creative players and put in defensive shit players like Sturgis and Gold. Ridiculous.

What you said.

I think Cordon should get a look at AM, to be honest.

king dave
04-30-2011, 11:21 PM
Poor showing on the backline. I'm disappointed with the lineup choices tonight. Gargan has been exposed enough. Midfield was poor. No shots. Damn.
Gary? You said exactly what I thought.
KD.

Dreadlocks
04-30-2011, 11:21 PM
Call it formation/tactics, call it bad players. We lost this game because we couldn't complete a pass and would not make the simple play.

markus
04-30-2011, 11:21 PM
Winter says the boys are not doing what he is asking of them!

...and what do you do with players like that?...bench them?:)...

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Winter says the boys are not doing what he is asking of them!

Yeah probably because most of them know they don't have the ability to do it

jloome
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Oh, this is so bad. Letting corporate types program sports "news" stations is just so, so dumb.

They're showing a lighthearted interview between Andi and JDG. GREEEEEAT fucking timing, you MLSE cunts.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Winter says the boys are not doing what he is asking of them!

You mean fukc off home and don't come back, you're rubbish ?

He's not picking the right team. That would help.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Cann also needs to know his limits. He's a fine short passer, but his long range passes just kill us. He needs to cut it out.

[NBF]
04-30-2011, 11:23 PM
Coincidentally, I happened to see the movie Deliverance this week.

Now I know what this game reminded me of.

SQUEEEEL LIKE A PIG!

:picard:

Benficachop20
04-30-2011, 11:23 PM
my god where do i start.

First off, i want to back up Winter but starting a lineup like today makes it hard to defend him.

Let's start with the defence:
Gargan........ i think everybody is aware of this problem. Now if Eckersley wasn't hurt than there is NO reason why he shouldn't start today.

Cann... k i like the guy, but he and winter should know his limits, tell him to stop with these long passes from deep, he's not a good passer, so it's probably a good idea to stop with the difficult passes that just ends up as dangerous giveaways.

Borman - another player that should be on the bench. Yourassowsky will be a much better being played in the lb position rather than Borman. Yourass makes better runs, more confortable on the ball, better positioning. Borman throughout the season will be exposed of his poor defending, and i think more people will come to realize this.

Peterson - so where is this new improved peterson? no spark in the midfield. he can't bring the ball forward, such a big difference between him and Tchani. I would even take Cordon over Peterson any day of the week.

Santos - stop playing our "captain" in this deeper role, not happening and it's never gonna work. Just one giveaway after another.

Stevanovich needs to earn the starting spot, right now Plata has shown more. Steva just slows down the match, tries to do things on his own to often and it's distrupting play. It's sad because he has the qualities he just doesn't know how to use them.

I feel sorry for Frei. He doesn't deserve to be with such a joke of a team.

------------------------Frei------------------
Eckersley----Williams------------Cann---Yourassowsky
------------------JDG--------Tchani-----------
-----------------------Cordon------------------
Martina---------------Gordan------------Plata

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:23 PM
Winter says the boys are not doing what he is asking of them!


stooopid football club! be more footbally!!

jloome
04-30-2011, 11:24 PM
Cann also needs to know his limits. He's a fine short passer, but his long range passes just kill us. He needs to cut it out.

0-3 today. He and Attakora are both much better at distribution when they use some of the space their being given by the high pressure to shorten the field. Today, it was like the backline was frozen. And Nana did not look happy sitting on the bench.

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:25 PM
It's the players. But you don't play a difficult technical system with limited players that are not familiar with it.

We could play the most simplistic technical system in the world and we'd still be losing.

I believe it was Paul James who put it best: If you don't have the right characters with the right football IQ, they won't win, no matter how technically skilled they are.

They need to be able to make the right decisions. For example: First touch doesn't do you any good if you turn the ball over 5 seconds by hogging it or aimlessly passing it to the other team.

We have a bunch of heartless players and a bunch of players with poor football IQ. And some who have both as a problem. And that's TFC. 2009 was the best team we ever assembled. They had a lot of the right characters and some mid season acquisitions brought more problems than benefits.

Now we're sitting he scratching our heads trying to figure out why we lose. We've traded away virtually all the character and IQ from this team. De Ro was the last, but Robinson left before him (as did a host of others). Garcia's gone and while he wasn't physically good enough, he was the right type of character. God I miss him at fullback.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:25 PM
my god where do i start.

First off, i want to back up Winter but starting a lineup like today makes it hard to defend him.

Let's start with the defence:
Gargan........ i think everybody is aware of this problem. Now if Eckersley wasn't hurt than there is NO reason why he shouldn't start today.

Cann... k i like the guy, but he and winter should know his limits, tell him to stop with these long passes from deep, he's not a good passer, so it's probably a good idea to stop with the difficult passes that just ends up as dangerous giveaways.

Borman - another player that should be on the bench. Yourassowsky will be a much better being played in the lb position rather than Borman. Yourass makes better runs, more confortable on the ball, better positioning. Borman throughout the season will be exposed of his poor defending, and i think more people will come to realize this.

Peterson - so where is this new improved peterson? no spark in the midfield. he can't bring the ball forward, such a big difference between him and Tchani. I would even take Cordon over Peterson any day of the week.

Santos - stop playing our "captain" in this deeper role, not happening and it's never gonna work. Just one giveaway after another.

Stevanovich needs to earn the starting spot, right now Plata has shown more. Steva just slows down the match, tries to do things on his own to often and it's distrupting play. It's sad because he has the qualities he just doesn't know how to use them.

I feel sorry for Frei. He doesn't deserve to be with such a joke of a team.

------------------------Frei------------------
Eckersley----Williams------------Cann---Yourassowsky
------------------JDG--------Tchani-----------
-----------------------Cordon------------------
Martina---------------Gordan------------Plata

Players in bold are not good enough.

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:30 PM
Players in bold are not good enough.

Haha, yeah right....u wish martina and JDG weren't good enough....

Vince Whirlwind
04-30-2011, 11:31 PM
Wow Timbers....

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:31 PM
Haha, yeah right....u wish martina and JDG weren't good enough....
What have both of them ever done for this club ?
Go on ?

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Haha, yeah right....u wish martina and JDG weren't good enough....

JDG wasn't the worst player on the pitch. He was the second worst. Gargan was worse than him.

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:33 PM
What have both of them ever done for this club ?
Go on ?

JDG had nice hair last season and didnt let his pro career get int he way of it :o

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Haha, yeah right....u wish martina and JDG weren't good enough....

I have this sinking feeling that Martina will turn out to be another Ricketts or Robert, he did put in some effort at the end so I hold out some hope

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:34 PM
Well for one, martina has scored 2 goals....what has plata or cordon done....

azorean10
04-30-2011, 11:34 PM
What have both of them ever done for this club ?
Go on ?

Who can defend JDG at this point? there are 1.7 million reasons not too, ughh

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:34 PM
0-3 today. He and Attakora are both much better at distribution when they use some of the space their being given by the high pressure to shorten the field. Today, it was like the backline was frozen. And Nana did not look happy sitting on the bench.

Cann and Nana were never really good with their distributions. This has been the problem from the start. Cann made several passes to Stevanvoic that just got easily intercepted. This was the problem since last year.

We can't get the ball up because not only do we not have a defensive line with the good passing attribute, but no player opens up, holds up the ball and wait for teammates to make a run to get open. NO ONE DOES IT. All we do is pass it around the back line slowly.

If you don't like my post, lets see your suggestions.

Benficachop20
04-30-2011, 11:35 PM
Let Marina play with Eckersley on the right side and see what happens. He gets no support and is stuck dealing with multiple defenders.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:35 PM
JDG had nice hair last season and didnt let his pro career get in the way of it :o

Correct !

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
Well for one, martina has scored 2 goals....what has plata or cordon done....

How many minutes has he played, compared to either of them. Anyway I'm not going to start picking him apart because I still have a hope he'll work out for us but put it this way I wouldn't be at all shocked if he doesn't

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
Let Marina play with Eckersley on the right side and see what happens. He gets no support and is stuck dealing with multiple defenders.

True

jloome
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
Cann and Nana were never really good with their distributions. This has been the problem from the start. Cann made several passes to Stevanvoic that just got easily intercepted. This was the problem since last year.

We can't get the ball up because not only do we not have a defensive line with the good passing attribute, but no player opens up, holds up the ball and wait for teammates to make a run to get open. NO ONE DOES IT. All we do is pass it around the back line slowly.

If you don't like my post, lets see your suggestions.

I didn't mean you were 0 for 3. I meant Cann was 0 for 3 in long passing. Try jumping to another conclusion, why don't you.

ensco
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
We've got to stop talking about formation. Who cares what the hell we're playing? The issue is talent level.

markus
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
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"Seattle sounds good. We could use a roof or two."

Bars92
04-30-2011, 11:37 PM
can we get rid of JDG? and sign a better DP? One that isn't a small DMF. Such a bad allocation of salary.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:38 PM
Well for one, martina has scored 2 goals....what has plata or cordon done....
oooohhh Martina scored 2 goals.
He won't score many more. He's a luxury.

Plata is just not good enough.

Cordon wasn't in bold, but he needs to be given a chance. Fukc me if Gargan and Peterson keep getting selected there's hope for all of us.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:40 PM
LOL JDG has such a good game last week, now its back to oh, he sucks pfff. Love how people look at one game and his price tag than just forget everything.

Hard for Martina to do much if he has no service. Look at the RB, its Gardan, the ball will never reach to Martina.

Plata has showed a lot more threat. He gets the ball and runs down the line quickly. His height is actually advantage. The kid will grab more fouls.

Stevanovic gets the ball and than slows the counter attack down just so he can cut in and take one 4 defenders at once. He needs to be benched.

Cordan looks a lot more familiar to the number 10 role. This just doesn't suit Santos.

markus
04-30-2011, 11:40 PM
oooohhh Martina scored 2 goals.
He won't score many more. He's a luxury.

Plata is just not good enough.

Cordon wasn't in bold, but he needs to be given a chance. Fukc me if Gargan and Peterson keep getting selected there's hope for all of us.

...and you based this on what?...maybe "he needs to be given a chance"?

...after all looks like this season it's gonna be a long training camp...

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:40 PM
Well for one, martina has scored 2 goals....what has plata or cordon done....

And Martina scored those 2 goals because he had someone else drawing heat. People are aware Martina can score, and there's hardly anyone else who can draw the heat. So Martina's shut down.

Blowing Bubbles
04-30-2011, 11:40 PM
This ass kicking was a few weeks in the making. A few of our draws were masking the fact that this team isn't that good. I expect a couple more beatdowns on the road this year.

TFCREDNWHITE
04-30-2011, 11:40 PM
oooohhh Martina scored 2 goals.
He won't score many more. He's a luxury.

Plata is just not good enough.

Cordon wasn't in bold, but he needs to be given a chance. Fukc me if Gargan and Peterson keep getting selected there's hope for all of us.

Blah blah blah

DichioTFC
04-30-2011, 11:41 PM
jeeze, judging by how surly the thread looks, i'm pretty glad i accidentally missed the match.

Boondaddy
04-30-2011, 11:41 PM
This was like watching Buckingham Athletic v Man U.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:41 PM
can we get rid of JDG? and sign a better DP? One that isn't a small DMF. Such a bad allocation of salary.
MLSE could afford to and should eat his mountain of cash and sign a game changer.
That's what 1.7 mill per annum should buy you.

Thanks Johnston, you tosser.

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:41 PM
This ass kicking was a few weeks in the making. A few of our draws were masking the fact that this team isn't that good. I expect a couple more beatdowns on the road this year.

We'll be lucky to win 5.

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:41 PM
LOL JDG has such a good game last week, now its back to oh, he sucks pfff. Love how people look at one game and his price tag than just forget everything.


wat like you did? amirite? lol

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:42 PM
I didn't mean you were 0 for 3. I meant Cann was 0 for 3 in long passing. Try jumping to another conclusion, why don't you.
honest mistake.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:42 PM
Blah blah blah
Finally you're making sense.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:42 PM
wat like you did? amirite? lol
I did?

DichioTFC
04-30-2011, 11:43 PM
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volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:44 PM
I did?

invoking his game last week seemed to imply that, yes

Heathen
04-30-2011, 11:44 PM
...and you based this on what?...maybe "he needs to be given a chance"?

...after all looks like this season it's gonna be a long training camp...

he bases it on his height

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:45 PM
I think the rage level is Seething right now.

Colour coded as offwhite. When it moves up to erupting, it will be almost light grey.

Davenport
04-30-2011, 11:45 PM
...and you based this on what?...maybe "he needs to be given a chance"?

...after all looks like this season it's gonna be a long training camp...
Maybe, but I think he's just too small and not quick enough to make up for it.
Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

Jeff s
04-30-2011, 11:46 PM
invoking his game last week seemed to imply that, yes
Well tbh, I only mentioned the last game because that game a lot people enjoyed his performance. Personally I think he's been one of the few upsides since the start of the season.

tfcleeds
04-30-2011, 11:46 PM
Well, look at the bright side...at least we can beat an expansion NASL team 3-0 with a man advantage.

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:50 PM
Looking forward to June 1st and the Gold Cup. At least when Canada plays, there's a bit of pride from the players, win, loss or draw.

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:50 PM
Well tbh, I only mentioned the last game because that game a lot people enjoyed his performance. Personally I think he's been one of the few upsides since the start of the season.

he does have his moments. overall tho i think many people think he's a poop signing relative to his salary

MG42
04-30-2011, 11:50 PM
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"Seattle sounds good. We could use a roof or two."

"transfer all power to the rear deflector shields!"

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jloome
04-30-2011, 11:51 PM
For all his foolishness in trying to force something, Stevanovic is one of the few guys on the team -- along with Gordon, funnily enough -- who knows how to properly weight a pass.

I figure we should try to stabilize the lineup around what seems to be the consensus talent.

------------------Frei-------------------
Eck----Attakora----Cann-----Yourrasowsky
------- JDG---------Tchani---------------
-----------Stevanovic-------------
Martina--------------------Plata
-----------Gordon

Stevanovic continually wants to drift inside anyway to use his ability to win on the dribble, and he has great weight on his passes, so his through balls should be dangerous. Plata can play both wide and inside and he's hard to mark.

Bars92
04-30-2011, 11:51 PM
MLSE could afford to and should eat his mountain of cash and sign a game changer.
That's what 1.7 mill per annum should buy you.

Thanks Johnston, you tosser.

I think they want him more for marketing reasons because he's Canadian.
This team is going nowhere with this kind of management.
As a small defensive mid he will never be an effective DP in this league when the play is so direct and physical.

Dreadlocks
04-30-2011, 11:53 PM
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Really hard to care. Especially since the players don't appear to

Roogsy
04-30-2011, 11:53 PM
Here's a thought to mull over: Imagine what our record and stats would be without Frei in net?

So finally people are realizing that a system is worthless without the right players? Where have I heard that before?

volunteer
04-30-2011, 11:54 PM
I think they want him more for marketing reasons because he's Canadian.


exactly.

one can't help but feel his signing more had to do with national identity politics than it did with pragmatism. 'zomg hometown boy played in yurop, give him DP monies!!!'

azorean10
04-30-2011, 11:54 PM
I think they want him more for marketing reasons because he's Canadian.
This team is going nowhere with this kind of management.
As a small defensive mid he will never be an effective DP in this league when the play is so direct and physical.

keep playing like this and they won't have anyone to market too !....JDG has been a total bust

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:54 PM
Here's a thought to mull over: Imagine what our record and stats would be without Frei in net?

So finally people are realizing that a system is worthless without the right players? Where have I heard that before?

Paul James ;)

tfcleeds
04-30-2011, 11:55 PM
Here's a thought to mull over: Imagine what our record and stats would be without Frei in net?

So finally people are realizing that a system is worthless without the right players? Where have I heard that before?

Um, I'd rather not, thanks. :(

Roogsy
04-30-2011, 11:56 PM
Paul James ;)

LOL! Damn you give me my dues! :hulk:

azorean10
04-30-2011, 11:56 PM
exactly.

one can't help but feel his signing more had to do with national identity politics than it did with pragmatism. 'zomg hometown boy played in yurop, give him DP monies!!!'

correct !

TFCRegina
04-30-2011, 11:58 PM
exactly.

one can't help but feel his signing more had to do with national identity politics than it did with pragmatism. 'zomg hometown boy played in yurop, give him DP monies!!!'

Not really a revelation. We had Carl Robinson and Sam Cronin who were defensive midfielders. We didn't need JDG.

JavierMartini
05-01-2011, 12:02 AM
where was Eckersley ?

brad
05-01-2011, 12:02 AM
Where are all the "it's okay, we're rebuilding" posts?

boozilla
05-01-2011, 12:03 AM
This was like a light training for Seattle.
I saw gorgeous looping switches, quick passes and a desire to be first to the ball.
Our fancy Season V system (aka Pre-Season VI) sure is easy to play against.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:05 AM
Not really a revelation.

yet on dero's departure we had people on this very forum hoping he would succeed him and wear the captains armband. sure it might've been obvious to some, but i think a majority eat up the marketing, even supporters

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:06 AM
Where are all the "it's okay, we're rebuilding" posts?

3 year plan, man

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 12:07 AM
yet on dero's departure we had people on this very forum hoping he would succeed him and wear the captains armband. sure it might've been obvious to some, but i think a majority eat up the marketing, even supporters

I don't want to get into De Ro's departure. People hate me enough over bringing him up after most losses.

What I will say is that JDG isn't the right type of character. He isn't out there to win, and isn't playing smart football.

We need players with some desire to win and some more intelligence. We've gotten rid of most of the ones we had.

Davenport
05-01-2011, 12:08 AM
I think the most disappointing thing for all of us is that we were dieing for a local team to support in a decent league but it's all gone terribly wrong.
Thanks for that MLSE.

mclaren
05-01-2011, 12:11 AM
Where are all the "it's okay, we're rebuilding" posts?

Don't worry, Rocker will be along shortly.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:11 AM
What I will say is that JDG isn't the right type of character. He isn't out there to win, and isn't playing smart football.

We need players with some desire to win and some more intelligence. We've gotten rid of most of the ones we had.

as far as im concerned you're preaching to the choir. my only point is that the choir is a tiny fraction of supporters/casual followers and jdg can coast for a long time solely on politics. few will or want to recognize that.

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 12:12 AM
So I am rewatching parts of the game while I do a latenight feeding of the baby and I am seeing Seattle pepper Frei with shots. So I checked the final stats:

17 vs 6 on shots.
33 vs 10 on crosses.

We're lucky the score was not worse.

Did anyone see Frei's face on the PK. He almost looked detached. At some point he simply won't have the will to keep us in the games if the team in front of him is hanging him out to dry.

Blowing Bubbles
05-01-2011, 12:12 AM
this just in, JDG is not a difference maker in MLS. Sure his nuthuggers are going to beat the same old drum (he was blackballed in Europe) but fuck that - he's just flat out not that special.

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 12:13 AM
this just in, JDG is not a difference maker in MLS. Sure his nuthuggers are going to beat the same old drum (he was blackballed in Europe) but fuck that - he's just flat out not that special.

Hey man 2007 player of the year for Deportivo!

Of course, Cann was our MVP in 2010, so I guess those awards mean jackfuckingshit.

Bars92
05-01-2011, 12:15 AM
as far as im concerned you're preaching to the choir. my only point is that the choir is a tiny fraction of supporters/casual followers and jdg can coast for a long time solely on politics. few will or want to recognize that.

But he was signed under Mo's watch. Surely Mariner and Winter must have some influence to say 'this isn't going to work'.

brad
05-01-2011, 12:16 AM
this just in, JDG is not a difference maker in MLS. Sure his nuthuggers are going to beat the same old drum (he was blackballed in Europe) but fuck that - he's just flat out not that special.

Thing is - his situation in Europe is irrelevant. How good/bad/average he was means nothing here - he is an decent but not spectacular player for us. No more, no less.

It's not about what he did, it's about what he is doing.

tfcleeds
05-01-2011, 12:17 AM
Hey man 2007 player of the year for Deportivo!

Of course, Cann was our MVP in 2010, so I guess those awards mean jackfuckingshit.

And being as Deportivo is my La Liga team, I can say that given their performance over the last few seasons, Player of the Year for them isn't anything that special.

Heathen
05-01-2011, 12:18 AM
as far as im concerned you're preaching to the choir. my only point is that the choir is a tiny fraction of supporters/casual followers and jdg can coast for a long time solely on politics. few will or want to recognize that.

Don't know which choir you've been listening to but JDG got plenty of stick in 115 last season, this season not so much because he's been playing well, not 1.7m well sadly

Auzzy
05-01-2011, 12:20 AM
Was Eckersley hurt or something? Nana should've been RB. Cordon should be starting over Peterson since Tchani was suspended. Plata should be starting over Stevanovic ( he has the skill, but he just doesn't use it properly) And Yourassowsky should be starting at LB.

Maicon isn't a bad player, he just isn't effective in his new role. I would just put Cordon there.

Winter should take full blame. Not only did he continue to start players who aren't even good enough for the bench, the subs he made was laughable. We needed to attack, so he basically took out all the creative players and put in defensive shit players like Sturgis and Gold. Ridiculous.

I agree that the starting lineup and many other decisions are disastrous. However, I didn't think putting on Sturgis and Gold was the worst thing Winter did tonight. Most of our supposed "good" experienced players were shite. The team actually looked slightly better than total trash for a short period near the end. I just think that some of these young guys that don't see many minutes, were at least a bit hungrier.

Seattle was not only much better with the ball all over the field. They were also working much harder, closing down Toronto players all over the field & especially in Toronto's end.

Frei was mostly great, but did anyone else think he should have come out for the ball on the first goal? (Not sure if it was the first goal in fact, there were so many -- anyway, on one of the goals, he didn't command his 6-yard box IMO.)

EDIT I can't check out the replay to have another look, hasn't been posted yet. Perhaps all footage of this game & post-game presser will be censored from TFC's website...

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:20 AM
But he was signed under Mo's watch. Surely Mariner and Winter must have some influence to say 'this isn't going to work'.


welp part of me hopes there is some grand unseen plan by both of them to dump the albatross in a climate more favourable. in that regard i can give them more time to undo more mo-isms as it is politics/image as far as jdg goes

DangerRed
05-01-2011, 12:21 AM
Whoa. 5 pages in, and no one yet telling people like me to be patient. Surely hell has frozen over.

So, where exactly are those "signs of improvement" we're supposed to be seeing?

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 12:22 AM
Wouldn't surprise me. What a legacy Johnston left.

6 of the starters were winters?

Cristiano14
05-01-2011, 12:23 AM
Gold and even Sturgis played better than JDG IMO, JDG was absolutely terrible tonight, never turned and never played a forward ball and had give aways that led to goals.

When I saw Gargan in the starting XI i was scared, and my fears proved correct. He was responsible for at least 2 of the goals.

RedRum
05-01-2011, 12:24 AM
OK, I will be the guy to post something resembling something positive. Not for this game mind you, but overall.

When you look at our roster, the guys who have played that have shown anything this year are for the most part guys Winter has brought in. Stevanovic, Gordon, Martina, Tchani, I'll even throw Borman in there at his minimal cap hit. Not saying all of this group is the answer to what plagues us, but a decent start I would say.

Mo's guys who played and either sucked or not met expectations: Gargan, Cann, Nana, Harden, De Guzman, Santos.

Jury is still out on the Academy guys and recent draft picks like Henry, Morgan, Omphroy, Cordon, Lindsay, Stinson, Sturgis, Zavarise but at least half these guys have shown promise.

Mo was gifted Frei at a late first round pick, and Peterson has been alright to be honest.

I look at this not as year 5, but instead as year -1. Not only does Winter have to build a squad, he has to do so while undoing Mo's vast fuckups - not an easy task in a cap burdened league.

I feel positive about the future, yet at the same time absolutely love the fans leaving in droves and MLSE's dwindling profits... and the heat on Anselmi and PB. From a supporters point of view what with the way we have been taken for granted for 5 years, this is a good scenario.

News flash: we aint making the playoffs this year and I doubt anyone entrusted with the football aspect of TFC had delusions of this. Props to Winter for taking the NCC/CCL seriously and putting out a strong squad against Edmonton. Obviously not taking anything for granted, like Preki did against those diving fucks.

Chill the fuck out everyone, we have nowhere to go but up.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:24 AM
Don't know which choir you've been listening to but JDG got plenty of stick in 115 last season, this season not so much because he's been playing well, not 1.7m well sadly

choir, as in me in this thread.

and as i already said earlier there is a small fraction of supporters that recognize him for the deadweight he is. there are a ton of other supporters and casual watchers that still love him because he's canadian, played in yurop and are willing to overlook what we pay him v. his performance because of retarded politics/marketing

Auzzy
05-01-2011, 12:27 AM
Whoa. 5 pages in, and no one yet telling people like me to be patient. Surely hell has frozen over.

So, where exactly are those "signs of improvement" we're supposed to be seeing?

Well, I would honestly be OK with losing a few games. We haven't lost as many games by now as I had expected.

HOWEVER the performance was so shite, that's the overriding issue here. I mean, even if they're rebuilding, why can't they at least run harder & try harder? Why did Seattle have so much time to make crosses, passes, etc? Why did they always seem to have more players in position than TFC, everywhere on the field?

DangerRed
05-01-2011, 12:28 AM
Chill the fuck out everyone, we have nowhere to go but up.

So it took us five years to get to rock bottom - there's a fucking achievement.

werewolf
05-01-2011, 12:31 AM
Normally we start off the season ok, and twaddle off mid-season, maybe this year its the opposite. :noidea:

Auzzy
05-01-2011, 12:34 AM
Normally we start off the season ok, and twaddle off mid-season, maybe this year its the opposite. :noidea:

LOL, kinda like in the games. TFC used to always let in goals in the last 10-15 minutes. Now it's always in the first 10-15 minutes.

Workie
05-01-2011, 12:36 AM
Total Fuck UP l

Fixed

Bars92
05-01-2011, 12:36 AM
choir, as in me in this thread.

and as i already said earlier there is a small fraction of supporters that recognize him for the deadweight he is. there are a ton of other supporters and casual watchers that still love him because he's canadian, played in yurop and are willing to overlook what we pay him v. his performance because of retarded politics/marketing

its like at this stage, season V, we get it, we're a canadian football club. so lets start playing some decent football with personel that are suited to this league. the FO is still so bloody concerned with marketing Canadian soccer. and these are the results they produce.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:37 AM
LOL, kinda like in the games. TFC used to always let in goals in the last 10-15 minutes. Now it's always in the first 10-15 minutes.

woot for P R O G R E S S

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 12:38 AM
LOL! Damn you give me my dues! :hulk:

I was saying this before we even started the season, not proud of that but it was pretty fecking obvious, you dont have to be Alex Ferguson to realise that.

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 12:41 AM
I don't want to get into De Ro's departure. People hate me enough over bringing him up after most losses.

What I will say is that JDG isn't the right type of character. He isn't out there to win, and isn't playing smart football.

We need players with some desire to win and some more intelligence. We've gotten rid of most of the ones we had.

DeRo is way better a player than JDG, still there are people here willing to say that JDG is 'playing better than last year' when he only started three matches as opposed to 25 last year, what the f#ck?

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 12:41 AM
Glad my "TFC Friendly" Pub chose to dedicate every single tv but 5 to UFC. 4 were horse racing and 1 was Van/Nash. GSP retained for those under a rock.

A picture of Danny D hung on the back wall staring at me burning holes in the back of my head as I watched as if asking WHY??. For a few brief seconds I felt bad for not supporting but quickly forgot about the building excuses of busing into Seattle and Toronto's busy schedule coming up and the countless excuses and reasons for 5 seasons of completely different teams, 6 different coaches and the fucking shit players we have been subjected to over the years and enjoyed a night with the boys watching a sport I rarely follow. And I've never felt better coming home and seeing a 3-0 final than knowing that I didn't waste my fucking night watching what sounds like a flaming pile of shit

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:44 AM
the FO is still so bloody concerned with marketing Canadian soccer. and these are the results they produce.

i completely agree. i hate the fact that MLSE's apex of concern has always been about some bizarre image than it has been about MLS realities

Inklink
05-01-2011, 12:45 AM
Another great effort. Bravo, lads. :facepalm:

Despite my previous outrage at this GolTV garbage, I'm actually kind of glad that this "soccer team" isn't playing on more widely available channels. It would be a total deterrent.

Seattle looked like it was at least 2-3 divisions higher than TFC.

Yikes, that was a bad game. Again.

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 12:47 AM
Whoa. 5 pages in, and no one yet telling people like me to be patient. Surely hell has frozen over.

So, where exactly are those "signs of improvement" we're supposed to be seeing?

http://www.real-estate-marketing-link.info/image-files/continuous_improvement_icon.gif

netsan
05-01-2011, 12:48 AM
I would rather lose with an all Canadian TFC roster than watch this team. At least a full team of Canadian players would give a shit.

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 12:48 AM
I would rather lose with an all Canadian TFC roster than watch this team. At least a full team of Canadian players would give a shit.

Like JDG.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 12:51 AM
I would rather lose with an all Canadian TFC roster than watch this team. At least a full team of Canadian players would give a shit.

this canadian/american pantomime horseshit is getting stupid and old and is also the kind of attitude that ensures we stay losers

netsan
05-01-2011, 12:52 AM
Let's see how FC Edmonton does with their Alberta roster..

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 12:52 AM
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=8&id=3054
Winter seems royally pissed guys going to have a god damn stroke with this team...already starting to ring bells of similarity with someone else...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6iX00OoqJz0/SfYLgFgWf-I/AAAAAAAAG1Q/G8s5eO5ZtdE/s200/lHjzxE4f.jpg

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 12:53 AM
I am just glad that we can all finally agree that 7 points from 24 is not good enough, at least I hope that we all agree that?

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 12:54 AM
Let's see how FC Edmonton does with their Alberta roster..

Considering in league play they're 2-0-1, can't be too bad.

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 12:59 AM
What do you think winter's doing right now? My guess is sitting locked in his bathroom with a bottle of Jacks and crying. Either that or booking a first class flight to Holland

AL-MO
05-01-2011, 01:01 AM
Whoa. 5 pages in, and no one yet telling people like me to be patient. Surely hell has frozen over.

So, where exactly are those "signs of improvement" we're supposed to be seeing?

Meh. I pretty much wrote off this season anyway.

volunteer
05-01-2011, 01:06 AM
What do you think winter's doing right now? My guess is sitting locked in his bathroom with a bottle of Jacks and crying. Either that or booking a first class flight to Holland

naked, in fetal position on the floor of the shower in his lux suite, weeping, intermittently scrubbing the same spots on his eyes and mouth with a coarse loofah, softly muttering 'must.get.clean' in dutch

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 01:07 AM
So it took us five years to get to rock bottom - there's a fucking achievement.

This is a team with never-ending rock-bottoms.

At first, I thought the shellacking we took in NY, 5-0 was rock-bottom.

Then I thought losing to the worst side last year in DC United was rock-bottom.

Now we're getting handled by expansion team Vancouver and then a short-handed team in Seattle, having won 1 in 8 games.

We have nowhere to go but up? If anything this team has shown us a perpetual ability to stay at the bottom. When exactly is this "up" supposed to happen? If someone could give me a timeline, maybe I can be a little bit more patient.

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 01:09 AM
naked, in fetal position on the floor of the shower in his lux suite, weeping, intermittently scrubbing the same spots on his eyes and mouth with a coarse loofah, softly muttering 'must.get.clean' in dutch
moeten krijgen schone........moeten krijgen schone.......moeten...

volunteer
05-01-2011, 01:12 AM
moeten krijgen schone........moeten krijgen schone.......moeten...

:lol::lol:

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 01:14 AM
haha man the image you just described has me in tears

__wowza
05-01-2011, 01:24 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0C7R5zWimZM/SQiSt3axk-I/AAAAAAAAAZQ/wrWj9WA0DhA/s320/silky_johnson1%255B1%255D.JPG

what can you say about this team that hasn't already been said about afghanistan? it looks bombed out, and depleted.

Serb_Star
05-01-2011, 01:24 AM
I thought JDG was embarrassing tonight, I lost count of how many times he lost the ball.

Everyone sucked except for King Stefan.

boban
05-01-2011, 01:27 AM
So I am rewatching parts of the game while I do a latenight feeding of the baby and I am seeing Seattle pepper Frei with shots. So I checked the final stats:

17 vs 6 on shots.
33 vs 10 on crosses.

We're lucky the score was not worse.

Did anyone see Frei's face on the PK. He almost looked detached. At some point he simply won't have the will to keep us in the games if the team in front of him is hanging him out to dry.
let's get something straight here. He is part of the team. And the team lost. Ergo he gets some of the blame.

__wowza
05-01-2011, 01:29 AM
THIS JUST IN: GARGAN FEELS BAD.


Toronto FC’s Dan Gargan wasn’t about to sugar-coat Toronto FC’s 3-0 loss to Seattle.

“No one wants to get beat like that,” Gargan said. “It’s embarrassing. The players feel like [expletive] about it.”

WATCH HIGHLIGHTS: Seattle 3, Toronto 0

The defender admitted that the loss was one of the worst in the Reds’ history: A three-goal deficit, and a measly six shots, only two of which hit the target. The players are acutely aware of how it must feel to be a supporter of the team on days like this.

“We hurt as much as you do,” he said. “We understand how frustrating it must be, but imagine how we must feel. We are professionals and this is our livelihood. We don’t want to lose anymore than the fans do.”

Gargan said that defeats like tonight are unfortunate, but likely a product of the rebuild that TFC are still undergoing as head coach Aron Winter continues reshape the side.

“It’s a learning process,” he said. “It’s a new league for him, and it’s a new system for us. It’s going to take time.”

For his part, Winter didn’t try to protect his players after the match.

“Well, it was a bad game; we didn’t play well,” he said, “ We want to play football, but if you don’t play – if you are afraid to get the ball and each ball that we have you have we play long ball then we [make it] difficult.”

Winter said that the club did not come close to executing his game plan against the Sounders.

“Before the game I explained how we are going to play and that’s important,” the coach said. However, the players did not follow through, Winter said. “I am still upset,” he added.

According to Gargan the Reds must not dwell on tonight’s poor performance.

“There is another game on Wednesday,” he said, referring to the Nutrilite Canadian Championship contest at home to FC Edmonton. TFC won the first leg 3-0. “We don’t have a lot of choice. We have to move on.”

Check It Out
RECAP: Fernandez, Evans on target against punchless TFC
Injured teammates provide inspiration for Seattle win

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/loss-seattle-embarrassing-tfc-players

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 01:32 AM
How many articles am I going to have to read where the team has just suffered "one of the worst losses in Reds history"?

It's like this team intentionally goes out and tries to outdo themselves in the ineptitude department.

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 01:36 AM
How many articles am I going to have to read where the team has just suffered "one of the worst losses in Reds history"?

It's like this team intentionally goes out and tries to outdo themselves in the ineptitude department.

The team is extraordinarily innovative at finding new ways to fail.

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 01:36 AM
let's get something straight here. He is part of the team. And the team lost. Ergo he gets some of the blame.

I have never bought into that belief. While a team plays together, the only way to fix problems is to identify the weak link. None of this PC crap of "teams lose together" would ever help a team get better unless you dissect a team properly.

There was nothing wrong with Frei's performance tonight. He got hung out to dry (again) and I for one can't bring myself to assign him any blame. If it weren't for him, the scoreline would have been worse. If that doesn't compeletely disprove this whole "win and lose as a team" mentality, I don't know what does.

I should clarify that this mentality should be found only on the outside looking in (from media, management and fans). Obviously in the lockerroom there needs to be a mentality of unity in order for the team to play at it's best. That's not what we're talking about here and confusing the two different things is what people get mixed up all the time. The PLAYERS should never assign blame to each other, but the rest of us are fully within our rights to do so.

werewolf
05-01-2011, 01:39 AM
How many articles am I going to have to read where the team has just suffered "one of the worst losses in Reds history"?

It's like this team intentionally goes out and tries to outdo themselves in the ineptitude department.

No need to fear, there is already a season ticket price freeze for next year.




.....
:drinking:

boban
05-01-2011, 01:51 AM
I have never bought into that belief. While a team plays together, the only way to fix problems is to identify the weak link. None of this PC crap of "teams lose together" would ever help a team get better unless you dissect a team properly.

There was nothing wrong with Frei's performance tonight. He got hung out to dry (again) and I for one can't bring myself to assign him any blame. If it weren't for him, the scoreline would have been worse. If that doesn't compeletely disprove this whole "win and lose as a team" mentality, I don't know what does.

I should clarify that this mentality should be found only on the outside looking in (from media, management and fans). Obviously in the lockerroom there needs to be a mentality of unity in order for the team to play at it's best. That's not what we're talking about here and confusing the two different things is what people get mixed up all the time. The PLAYERS should never assign blame to each other, but the rest of us are fully within our rights to do so.
It's nothing about a PC thing that I am talking about. I am just getting a little tired of people saying Frie is the only 1 who shows up or giving him 8's when we lose. The guy makes mistakes - as such he is to blame. After a while you have to wonder how good people on here think he is when the team is letting in all these goals (regardless of players, coaches, systems). The common is Frie is in net. He is a good goalie, but not good enough to escape criticism.

J .
05-01-2011, 01:53 AM
lol

that is all

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 01:54 AM
It's nothing about a PC thing that I am talking about. I am just getting a little tired of people saying Frie is the only 1 who shows up or giving him 8's when we lose. The guy makes mistakes - as such he is to blame. After a while you have to wonder how good people on here think he is when the team is letting in all these goals (regardless of players, coaches, systems). The common is Frie is in net. He is a good goalie, but not good enough to escape criticism.

I do agree with that. He is a good keeper, not a great one. But of all the players showing up and doing their jobs competently, he is the only one and I think that is what people are referring to.

He is not perfect. But he is miles above everyone else right now when it comes to coming through for the team. Which is why our concentration should be on aspects of the club that are not working at all as opposed to being good but not great.

ilikemusic
05-01-2011, 02:53 AM
Im sure glad that selfish, egomaniac DeRo was shipped out. He was obviously a locker room cancer.

Roogsy
05-01-2011, 02:56 AM
Im sure glad that selfish, egomaniac DeRo was shipped out. He was obviously a locker room cancer.


That's what it is! The chemo hasn't worn off yet!

As soon as it does, I am sure that long awaited ideal leader and captain will show up and lead us to glory...on the back of his many, many goals that so easily replaced DeRos.

Dub Narcotic
05-01-2011, 03:12 AM
This ass kicking was a few weeks in the making. A few of our draws were masking the fact that this team isn't that good. I expect a couple more beatdowns on the road this year.

Yes, I was glass half full guy after the LAG game, but I think this team has been exposed now. TFC has been a bad team with a good home field advantage, now that advantage is slowly going away it could get ugly. This team may have had a chance with Preki uglying it up but Winter is over his head with this cast of untalented misfits. BTW, not to make anybody cry more but I would take four of Vancouver's central defenders and three of their central forwards over their respective positional starters on TFC.

Dub Narcotic
05-01-2011, 03:16 AM
I think the most disappointing thing for all of us is that we were dieing for a local team to support in a decent league but it's all gone terribly wrong.
Thanks for that MLSE.

You know it's gotten bad when there are pitying posts in the SBIves comment section about the suffering of Toronto support.

swan
05-01-2011, 05:40 AM
well after putting in 20hrs of overtime this week and another 10 at least today i'm glad i went to bed after the 1 first goal just not worth putting myself through it for crap like that it sounds like...

Brooker
05-01-2011, 05:43 AM
we're shit.... what else is new...




I am sure that long awaited ideal leader and captain will show up and lead us to glory...on the back of his many, many goals that so easily replaced DeRos.

lol still got a sandy vagina about that one? get over it already.

Oldtimer
05-01-2011, 05:59 AM
Missed the second half, I'm glad that I did.

Mikey
05-01-2011, 06:05 AM
Missed the second half, I'm glad that I did.

Me too, I turned that shit off at half time.

DOMIN8R
05-01-2011, 06:52 AM
Lots to dislike about that game. :cuss:
First, full credit to Seattle. They played very well. Like a team that has played together for quite some time.;)
Second, that stadium is a very intimidating place to play.:dita:
Third, JDG seems to coninue to improve and gain confidence.:hide:
Finally, I can't say enough about Frei. He stood on his head.:yesnod:

123 elite
05-01-2011, 07:24 AM
Not much changed. They just came up against a team playing the way they are capable of playing. LA, Columbus and Chivas were all poor. TFC's game hasn't changed at all so i predict this kind of mauling will be the norm.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 07:32 AM
Not much changed. They just came up against a team playing the way they are capable of playing. LA, Columbus and Chivas were all poor. TFC's game hasn't changed at all so i predict this kind of mauling will be the norm.

Houston put 3 past Vancouver a few weeks back and 4 past DC this week. I shudder to think what might happen to TFC next Saturday.

-------------

I'm going to defend Maicon Santos and say its not his fault he is being played out of position. The guy is a CF who is a decent MLS level poacher. Yet we are employing him as an AM. I know everyone loves a possession game but I would love to try to play Gordon and Santos together in a 2 striker system with more direct play.

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 08:00 AM
That's what it is! The chemo hasn't worn off yet!

As soon as it does, I am sure that long awaited ideal leader and captain will show up and lead us to glory...on the back of his many, many goals that so easily replaced DeRos.

Oh Jesus Roogsy not this again. Anyone who cannot see that we are a way better team without him playing and anyone who cannot see that we are so united on the field without him that performance levels are through the roof must be an idio... wait a minute what am I saying?

Anyway I reckon it is all Frei's fault, perhaps we can all get together and try and chase him out of town, he is our best player after all. As has been stated already, we have tried to be successful with Frei in goals and we have struggled every year we have had him, surely this is a sign we must get rid of him?

All hail king JDG though, his performances are fantastic in the four starts this season (ex player of the year at Deportivo, very high in demand), he is playing way better than last year.

Also Dan Gargan does not make mistakes, people just have it in for him and Jacob Peterson has to start every game because he is vastly improved and his delivery from set pieces is incredibly effective (probably better than Becks, same colour of hair too), he is a real player.

:picard::flare::picard::flare::picard:

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 08:17 AM
Im sure glad that selfish, egomaniac DeRo was shipped out. He was obviously a locker room cancer.

We have 3 goals in the 6 MLS games we've played since we shipped out De Rosario.

69Chevy396
05-01-2011, 08:21 AM
Fuck off Deportivo, we signed former player of the year, Jonathan, but you sent us groundkeeper Johnie instead. I miss Carl!

Shep
05-01-2011, 08:32 AM
Frei deserves the DP $$, seriously, if we lose him in the next season or two for any reason we are fudged (<--PG)

he's getting screwed back there, and he's getting stuck with new coaches and squads all too often. Truthfully I think he'd shine for another club, even across the pond, but if Toronto doesn't give him that platform - how long will he stay? I'm not even sure what kind of contract he's on, anyone know?

tfc2008
05-01-2011, 08:47 AM
We have to stand up we pay a lots for are tickets we dont see soccer, there have to come a goal scorer to this team

Hamilton_Red
05-01-2011, 08:54 AM
Ok how about we work up to Total Football.... let's start with a little bit of football....then move up to a bit more....then keep working up to mostly football..... then maybe we can get to total football. We haven't seen any football from TFC this year.

Gazza
05-01-2011, 09:09 AM
Haha, yeah right....u wish martina and JDG weren't good enough....

They really haven't been.

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:13 AM
let's get something straight here. He is part of the team. And the team lost. Ergo he gets some of the blame.
Yes unfortunately he is part of the team for his sake...but he cannot be put into blame for the loss or start to the season. The guy has been true to his form and has made some incredible saves. Remember when Luongo played in Florida? You can't blame a great keeper for having scrubs in front of him. I'd place 0 blame on Frei

Gazza
05-01-2011, 09:13 AM
Here's a thought to mull over: Imagine what our record and stats would be without Frei in net?

So finally people are realizing that a system is worthless without the right players? Where have I heard that before?

Are we to believe that logic and reasoning were your invention?

TFCREDNWHITE
05-01-2011, 09:14 AM
Whateva

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:18 AM
We have 3 goals in the 6 MLS games we've played since we shipped out De Rosario.
Thats what happens when you trade your all time franchise leading goal scorer... apparently 32 goals in 75 games wasn't enough incentive to keep him around.

The sad part of this franchise is...even if you were to take our "best" players of all the 5 years combined, I still don't think we'd be good enough to win

boban
05-01-2011, 09:19 AM
Yes unfortunately he is part of the team for his sake...but he cannot be put into blame for the loss or start to the season. The guy has been true to his form and has made some incredible saves. Remember when Luongo played in Florida? You can't blame a great keeper for having scrubs in front of him. I'd place 0 blame on Frei
Fair enough. But hows about he gets paid to save.
Much like, for example, if you had a job and was responsible for stocking the shelves. Now I am going to praise you for it?!! yeah right.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 09:22 AM
Thats what happens when you trade your all time franchise leading goal scorer... apparently 32 goals in 75 games wasn't enough incentive to keep him around.

The sad part of this franchise is...even if you were to take our "best" players of all the 5 years combined, I still don't think we'd be good enough to win

If our current post-De Rosario trend continues we have a shot at challenging for the least amount of goals scored by a team in one season in MLS, and that's with 4 extra games.

deeznutz
05-01-2011, 09:25 AM
So are we still in hope of cheering towards our piss poor games?

Sounds like yes to me and others!

I really think our second year team would have won last nights game!

I laughed at the first goal and thank god I turned it off after the second goal!

As a season ticket holder I would like to see a better team on the pitch! And for the ones that say they played a good game lastnight look at the fucking score! No game is played well or good when you lose like that!

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:25 AM
Fair enough. But hows about he gets paid to save.
Much like, for example, if you had a job and was responsible for stocking the shelves. Now I am going to praise you for it?!! yeah right.
lol i'm not praising the guy at all I feel sorry for him. The kid obviously has a huge potential and in terms of goalie years hes a baby. He has a whole career ahead of him somewhere else, clearly won't be here much longer.

and in terms of stocking shelves, first of all its a silly analogy, but it would be like having to stock double your quota and everybody else called in sick

ManUtd4ever
05-01-2011, 09:25 AM
I missed the game last night because I was at UFC 129 at Rogers Centre. I heard the score on the radio on the way home. I just brought myself to watch TFC game in an hour on GolTV this morning to see for myself if it was as bad as the scoreline indicated.

In my opinion, TFC was simply outclassed by a better opponent last night. I thought Winter's lineup selections were curious on the backline but I'm not sure if Attakora and Eckersley would have made much of a difference given the overall performance of the entire squad. The Sounders are so fluid on the attack, it reminded me of our visit there last season when they dominated possession for the bulk of the match as well.

I didn't notice any positives in the match from a TFC standpoint other than a few spectacular saves from Frei and a couple of good scoring chances near the end from Yourassowsky and Martina. The absence of Tchani in the midfield was noticeable last night. The penalty on Yourassowsky was questionable but at that point the match was lost anyway.

What can you say? Seattle is the type of club TFC hopes to emulate within a couple of years and last night we got schooled in one of the most intimidating football grounds in MLS.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with talk of Winter resigning and dismantling the entire roster. The club is clearly a work in progress and last night was yet another harsh lesson for a young team trying to find itself. There are still some good pieces in place and most of us suspected that TFC was going to have a difficult start to the season.

It can't get much worse than last night, so there's no where to go but up, LOL.

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 09:26 AM
Fair enough. But hows about he gets paid to save.
Much like, for example, if you had a job and was responsible for stocking the shelves. Now I am going to praise you for it?!! yeah right.

Frei is the least of our worries

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:27 AM
If our current post-De Rosario trend continues we have a shot at challenging for the least amount of goals scored by a team in one season in MLS, and that's with 4 extra games.
For a team that has always had trouble scoring, and filled with promises of "attacking football" its pretty ironic that were actually doing worse. If we don't have the skill to attack and retain possession we might as well play a counter game and at least keep our back end clean

deeznutz
05-01-2011, 09:28 AM
For a team that has always had trouble scoring, and filled with promises of "attacking football" its pretty ironic that were actually doing worse. If we don't have the skill to attack and retain possession we might as well play a counter game and at least keep our back end clean


I agree to that!

brad
05-01-2011, 09:28 AM
Fact is we are a bad team. We have always been a bad team. Even during spells where we were winning, we seldom did it playing good football. We relied on luck, our keeper play a blinder and hoping a flair like DeRo or Guvera can produce a moment of magic to win it for us.

This was a typical away performance by us though, as sad as that is.

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:31 AM
Maybe relegation would be a good thing for mls into the future, put pressure on teams like ours to have to preform because obviously they don't give a shit about what the fans think and are fine with an inferior product as long as their making $

69Chevy396
05-01-2011, 09:35 AM
Completely "outclassed by a better opponent": keep reading this here. But the reality is ugly: Seattle is not much better than TFC, and were missing three key players from their lineup. The great fan support helps them, but the fact remains, TFC is a horrible club, worst in MLS, and probably equivalent to an average USL squad. Same shit every year, I am not renewing next year even if we sign Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney, Kaka, Inniesta, Xavi....blah blah blah....this is'nt even soccer we are watching, remove beer from BMO and you have 5000 people in the stadium.

ManUtd4ever
05-01-2011, 09:39 AM
I don't think we're as bad as last night's performance might suggest. The hallmark of this young team so far this season has been inconsistency.

In the last several games, TFC has been like Jekyll and Hyde. In that time span, we have witnessed good performances against San Jose, Columbus, and Edmonton, an average performance against LA, and absolutely terrible perfromances against DC and Seattle. :noidea:

Maltese Falcon
05-01-2011, 09:41 AM
^ yea thats how a lot of people feel. I don't own season tickets I usually catch 2/3 games a year, but I haven't picked any up for this season and to be honest I don't know if I will. Its not wanting to see them loose its just not wanting to see the product as it is today. I watch other mls games and honestly some games remind me of lower level premiership teams, same kind of pace and play. Why do ours always look like a men's league game? Im not a person who is hell bent on the playoffs, I just want to watch some entertaining soccer...for once, is that too much to ask? to actually play the game how it is supposed to be played as a professional?

v00d00daddy
05-01-2011, 09:44 AM
Brutal game for everyone except Frei.

But all this "I told you so" talk is a joke.

Yes....this team lacks talent at several important positions but last night lack of talent wasnt the only reason tfc failed miserably.

It was a combo of a low talent group of players totally ignoring the gameplan.

How or why does this happen? It's one thing to be outclassed by another team but at least learn something from it. At least get used to playing out your gameplan so that you can improve on it for future games.

As soon as we start constantly kicking the ball up field I tune out.

I also don't understand winters choice at rb. Why does Gargan play so much?

Winters sub choices were strange too but it could very well be a case of him recognising that the players weren't interested enough so he may as well see what a guy like gold can do. Who knows?

mightydrm
05-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Get a grip about JDG lads. Run him out of town like DeRo was and you'll get the same result - the team will get worse. I watched the whole thing last night; we simply didn't show up - I think that is the place Winter needs to improve, getting the lads motivated. Still, they were way better than in the Vancouver game. If you don't agree, got look at the highlights. So something is getting better.

TFCwestcan
05-01-2011, 09:48 AM
A very sad display of so called possession football, hats off to Seattle they rebounded from a tough week. Let's see if TFC can do the same. This was a tough game to watch, very hard to find anything positive.

Parkdale
05-01-2011, 09:49 AM
Sounds like Mark Hominick (http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/fighting-stances/2011/05/01/aldohominickx-wide-community.jpg) wasn't the only ugly beating last night.

kuku
05-01-2011, 09:50 AM
1 decent midfielder, 1 decent striker and as long as Gragan doesn't start, we're ok.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 09:52 AM
I also don't understand winters choice at rb. Why does Gargan play so much?

No one knows. But I assume its not by choice.

It doesn't help that this club refuses to let us know what the fuck is going on with our players.

Alixir
05-01-2011, 09:55 AM
Did anyone see Frei's face on the PK. He almost looked detached.probably because as good as the Frei guy is, he can't stop PKs to save his life :p....I feel bad for Frei... really what can he do when the team infront of him plays like shit most of the time. Really all that he can do is hope to keep the games from getting embarrasssing.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 09:57 AM
In the last several games, TFC has been like Jekyll and Hyde. In that time span, we have witnessed good performances against San Jose, Columbus, and Edmonton, an average performance against LA, and absolutely terrible perfromances against DC and Seattle. :noidea:

Personally I don't think we can take anything from beating a 10-man expansion NASL side.

69Chevy396
05-01-2011, 09:58 AM
Get a grip about JDG lads. Run him out of town like DeRo was and you'll get the same result - the team will get worse. I watched the whole thing last night; we simply didn't show up - I think that is the place Winter needs to improve, getting the lads motivated. Still, they were way better than in the Vancouver game. If you don't agree, got look at the highlights. So something is getting better.
You make it sound like the team can play better just by "showing up". The scary horrible thing is that what makes you think they didn't show up? I am beginning to believe that this team does try as hard as it can, does show up but loses because of lack of talent and tactics. What makes anybody here believe that a team of castoffs and young unproven talent is good enough for MLS? Or for that matter, an unproven manager? Gargan plays because A/ We have nobody better, and/or B/ the manager has no clue what he is doing. This is not about a team simply not showing up, it is about a team that sucks shit in the worst way.

Heathen
05-01-2011, 10:02 AM
I don't think we're as bad as last night's performance might suggest. The hallmark of this young team so far this season has been inconsistency.

In the last several games, TFC has been like Jekyll and Hyde. In that time span, we have witnessed good performances against San Jose, Columbus, and Edmonton, an average performance against LA, and absolutely terrible perfromances against DC and Seattle. :noidea:

Sorry but only San Jose was a good performance against Columbus we were avearge and Edmonton we were actually below average and benefited from the sending off and blunders

Shep
05-01-2011, 10:03 AM
It's nothing about a PC thing that I am talking about. I am just getting a little tired of people saying Frie is the only 1 who shows up or giving him 8's when we lose. The guy makes mistakes - as such he is to blame. After a while you have to wonder how good people on here think he is when the team is letting in all these goals (regardless of players, coaches, systems). The common is Frie is in net. He is a good goalie, but not good enough to escape criticism.


The stats last night were nuts, I think they had something like 19 shots, 10 on target.. while we sat with 3 or something stupid like that.

Even the best keepers are going to let some in with that many coming at them, and he made some great saves last night, without him we would have done much worse, with a decent back line we might not have seen anything come in. Except that pen.

Yeah he makes mistakes, but those aren't to blame for us losing IMO, he's just the last guy to be in line when everyone else fails, it can't come down to him so often. That's the problem. With a solid squad Frei is king.

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 10:22 AM
I would love to know just how much Winter knew about TFC the club and the talent level of the squad prior to coming to TFC. I would also love to know how much he knew about the level of quality of players he thought he could realistically bring to the club. Lastly I would love to know how he actually rates the players in his squad on an actual world level.

Did he know how much of a shit show TFC is before signing? Did he know how bad some of our players are / were? Did he know about the difficulties in trying to bring in good players when there are wage caps in the MLS? How does he rate the current playing staff? Does he think this current playing staff are able to do what he wants? What is his back up plan if they simply are not good enough to follow his game plan? At what point would he be willing to change his games plan if it continues to go tits up? If the players continue to not be good enough for the system and continue to drop points it will affect their confidence which in turn will affect their performances and their ability to learn , at what point would he re-examine his system that is not producing results?

ManUtd4ever
05-01-2011, 10:24 AM
Personally I don't think we can take anything from beating a 10-man expansion NASL side.


Sorry but only San Jose was a good performance against Columbus we were avearge and Edmonton we were actually below average and benefited from the sending off and blunders

That's fine, to each his own. Even if you discount Edmonton, I thought TFC was strong against Columbus playing with 10 men for half the match.

My point is that I don't believe last night's performance in of itself was a true indication of the potential of this club. Time will tell.

boysblue
05-01-2011, 10:34 AM
all this post-match hand wringing makes me chuckle. you see, i am old enough to understand that the braintrust at mlse will get this all sorted out.

running sports teams is similar to the economy in that it is like a cycle--up for a while then down for a while, or in sporting parlance a couple of poor seasons while a team builds itself followed by the reward of some very good seasons. much like the first four years of tfc's history; sure the club struggled in '07 and even in '08, but those poor years were followed by the glory and on-field success of the past two seasons. see?

now, you have to have faith that the smart guys at mlse will, once again, get this mess sorted out. in the meantime, however, you are all encouraged to buy the tickets, wear the jerseys and consume the adult beverages.

remember lads......all for one, after all. :)

canadian_bhoy
05-01-2011, 10:36 AM
IMO - Seattle is one of the best attacking teams in the league. And considering we're probably the worst defensive team, the result really surprising.

Losing 3-0 to Seattle isn't the end of the world. Talking of getting rid of JDG and Winter quitting is ridiculous. Get a grip people.

Our attack simply isn't good enough right now. Martina has been disappointing since his two goal performance and I feel he should have made more of his first half chance when we were down 1-0.

I still like the style of football we're playing. We need to stregthen our attack and defence is clearly an issue (especially the marking of Gargan).

In the end, a poor result, but not unexpected. Again - I feel like people need to chill out around here. Did you think Winter would come in and we'd be unbeatable MLS champions? We need time, we need to build. Once we get a striker that can put 10-15 goals in for us this season, we'll be in much better shape.

v00d00daddy
05-01-2011, 10:38 AM
My point is that I don't believe last night's performance in of itself was a true indication of the potential of this club. Time will tell.

I agree.

While last nights performance was brutal....it doesn't make sense to watch that game and come to the conclusion that that was the real TFC or that was TFC playing to their potential.

If anyone believes that...well I don't know what to tell you.

I've said it several times already....but this is a new TFC.

New mentality. New style. New plan. New expectations.

To get frustrated at the new incarnation of TFC because they've been bad for 5 years is unfair and illogical.

When a team is as bad as TFC was in the first 4 years a complete overhaul is required.

That overhaul has begun but there is a lot still to be done.

To me it looks much like the Leafs overhaul. Some fans still aren't content, and may never be but one thing is for sure.

They're a different team. Will they be successful? Who knows but I think, for the first time in years (for both TFC and the Leafs) there's a plan.

Now it's time to see how the plan works out.

If last night convinced people that the plan is a failure then fuck....I feel sorry for those people.

rocker
05-01-2011, 10:41 AM
I posted some stats last week that showed home teams win almost 50% of the time in MLS. Last night was the predictable result. And if anyone thought we could beat Seattle at their home, they were on crack.

Of course TFC could maybe steal a tie, which happens about 27% of the time for road teams, if they stopped starting Gargan. I'm done with him.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 10:47 AM
I posted some stats last week that showed home teams win almost 50% of the time in MLS. Last night was the predictable result. And if anyone thought we could beat Seattle at their home, they were on crack.

Of course TFC could maybe steal a tie, which happens about 27% of the time for road teams, if they stopped starting Gargan. I'm done with him.


I was waiting for this. Thanks.

All we need now is a patronizing Duane Rollins article telling TFC fans they should be patient all the while taking pot shots and everything will be right in the world....

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 10:48 AM
I agree.

While last nights performance was brutal....it doesn't make sense to watch that game and come to the conclusion that that was the real TFC or that was TFC playing to their potential.

If anyone believes that...well I don't know what to tell you.

I've said it several times already....but this is a new TFC.

New mentality. New style. New plan. New expectations.

To get frustrated at the new incarnation of TFC because they've been bad for 5 years is unfair and illogical.

When a team is as bad as TFC was in the first 4 years a complete overhaul is required.

That overhaul has begun but there is a lot still to be done.

To me it looks much like the Leafs overhaul. Some fans still aren't content, and may never be but one thing is for sure.

They're a different team. Will they be successful? Who knows but I think, for the first time in years (for both TFC and the Leafs) there's a plan.

Now it's time to see how the plan works out.

If last night convinced people that the plan is a failure then fuck....I feel sorry for those people.

So how many 3-0 losses where the lads played with no heart, no skill and no brains will it take for you to change your mind?

TFCRegina
05-01-2011, 10:49 AM
I posted some stats last week that showed home teams win almost 50% of the time in MLS. Last night was the predictable result. And if anyone thought we could beat Seattle at their home, they were on crack.

Of course TFC could maybe steal a tie, which happens about 27% of the time for road teams, if they stopped starting Gargan. I'm done with him.

How many home teams score 3 goals when they have 3 forwards out with injury?

Whoop
05-01-2011, 11:00 AM
Watching that match last night the only thing I could think of was wow the football IQ on this team must be around 5.

This team lacks basic skills... it's sad.

Heathen
05-01-2011, 11:02 AM
I agree.

While last nights performance was brutal....it doesn't make sense to watch that game and come to the conclusion that that was the real TFC or that was TFC playing to their potential.

If anyone believes that...well I don't know what to tell you.

I've said it several times already....but this is a new TFC.

New mentality. New style. New plan. New expectations.

To get frustrated at the new incarnation of TFC because they've been bad for 5 years is unfair and illogical.

When a team is as bad as TFC was in the first 4 years a complete overhaul is required.

That overhaul has begun but there is a lot still to be done.

To me it looks much like the Leafs overhaul. Some fans still aren't content, and may never be but one thing is for sure.

They're a different team. Will they be successful? Who knows but I think, for the first time in years (for both TFC and the Leafs) there's a plan.

Now it's time to see how the plan works out.

If last night convinced people that the plan is a failure then fuck....I feel sorry for those people.

Forget the past 5 years, based solely on this season's performances TFC have played below expectations. If you honestly believe this is as good as it gets for the next 2, 3 or whatever years then why the fuck would any of us bother? So we can go around telling all the bandwagon jumpers what loyal supporters we are when we do finally make the play-offs in 2020?
After 9 games I just do not see much evidence on the field to justify, all this moving in the right direction talk. If you're happy with blind faith, good for you but blind faith is hardly logical either is it?

Wingback6
05-01-2011, 11:03 AM
Haven't read all threads so maybe this isn't news... but..

3rd game in one week.. for a weak team... probably means a loss.
That being said, Gargan needs to hit the gym, not the buffet, horrible man marking..

And where was Borman on the 2nd... totally out of position.
I think the Yourra up front experiment needs to end... he has the speed to press up and make it back to at least foul the opposing winger... Borman doesn't, he left Cann
exposed on a number of occasions..

Maicon.. sorry sweetheart you aren't a captain, you certainly aren't a midfielder, you're not even a starter as a striker.. you're an impact sub cry-baby you should've been traded because you mope more than you work..

v00d00daddy
05-01-2011, 11:17 AM
So how many 3-0 losses where the lads played with no heart, no skill and no brains will it take for you to change your mind?

More than two.

It will take more than 9 games under a new coach and new system for me to change my mind.

Wingback6
05-01-2011, 11:17 AM
For all his foolishness in trying to force something, Stevanovic is one of the few guys on the team -- along with Gordon, funnily enough -- who knows how to properly weight a pass.

I figure we should try to stabilize the lineup around what seems to be the consensus talent.

------------------Frei-------------------
Eck----Attakora----Cann-----Yourrasowsky
------- JDG---------Tchani---------------
-----------Stevanovic-------------
Martina--------------------Plata
-----------Gordon

Stevanovic continually wants to drift inside anyway to use his ability to win on the dribble, and he has great weight on his passes, so his through balls should be dangerous. Plata can play both wide and inside and he's hard to mark.

I like this... and give Frei the armband for keeps too!!! He is clearly the heart of the team.

menefreghista
05-01-2011, 11:18 AM
3rd game in one week.. for a weak team... probably means a loss.
.

If they are tired now, the month of May will be a disaster. We have a game on Wednesday again and if/when we defeat Edmonton we will have 8 games in May.

v00d00daddy
05-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Watching that match last night the only thing I could think of was wow the football IQ on this team must be around 5.

This team lacks basic skills... it's sad.

Totally agree and I think that's what must frustrate Winter the most.

Basic fundamentals....several players on this team are lacking them.

torontocelt
05-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Once we get a striker that can put 10-15 goals in for us this season, we'll be in much better shape.

Like DeRo?

Wingback6
05-01-2011, 11:28 AM
I agree.

While last nights performance was brutal....it doesn't make sense to watch that game and come to the conclusion that that was the real TFC or that was TFC playing to their potential.

If anyone believes that...well I don't know what to tell you.

I've said it several times already....but this is a new TFC.

New mentality. New style. New plan. New expectations.

To get frustrated at the new incarnation of TFC because they've been bad for 5 years is unfair and illogical.

When a team is as bad as TFC was in the first 4 years a complete overhaul is required.

That overhaul has begun but there is a lot still to be done.

To me it looks much like the Leafs overhaul. Some fans still aren't content, and may never be but one thing is for sure.

They're a different team. Will they be successful? Who knows but I think, for the first time in years (for both TFC and the Leafs) there's a plan.

Now it's time to see how the plan works out.

If last night convinced people that the plan is a failure then fuck....I feel sorry for those people.

This is exactly what MLSE wants you to think

v00d00daddy
05-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Forget the past 5 years, based solely on this season's performances TFC have played below expectations. If you honestly believe this is as good as it gets for the next 2, 3 or whatever years then why the fuck would any of us bother? So we can go around telling all the bandwagon jumpers what loyal supporters we are when we do finally make the play-offs in 2020?
After 9 games I just do not see much evidence on the field to justify, all this moving in the right direction talk. If you're happy with blind faith, good for you but blind faith is hardly logical either is it?


I never once said or implied that the first 8-9 games of this season are as good as we'll be for the next 2-3 years.

How you even came to that idea is beyond me.

Now...if, after 9 games...you (and many people that share your opinion) have lost all hope for moving in the right direction than I don't know what to tell you.

I fear though, that you'll NEVER see progress or moving in the right direction.

I say that because I think it's impossible to completely overhaul a system and squad and get results after 9 games.

You see no progress?

Fine. I see a team that, when they listen to their coach, has played a completely different style than we've ever had before. It hasn't been successful but I still see that as progress...as long as you believe that the implemented style can bring about results.

Again...I harken back to years 1, 2 and 3.

In those seasons, when it was crystal clear that we had no vision, no plan and nobody with any tactical savvy at the helm...we had a bunch of supporters with optimism.

Now, when we have all of those things and all that's left is to see whether or not the decision of hiring Mariner and Winter and Co. is the right one...some have decided that it's not..

AFTER 9 games.

Well....good for you guys who think you can predict the future.

I trust the guys at the helm because, based on what they've said and done, I think they have the right plan.

I find it strange that so many people are able to write that off after 9 games.

ag futbol
05-01-2011, 11:32 AM
The TFC-Seattle comparison of this game draws my ire in every way possible. What more can be said?

Derko
05-01-2011, 11:43 AM
Only one player remotely earned his pay for Toronto FC this evening..... AND HE WAS NOT WEARING RED!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and another thing, who does our much vaunted "captain" keep getting subbed game after game after game? Kind of hard to lead there Mr. Maicon from the bench!!!

Give the armband to either Frei or Cann, the only two players remotely like real fucking professional leaders in this entire outfit.

Agree with Frei, although Cann has no pace whatsoever, I blame him for the second goal