Today's News,Tuesday,Mar.15

[denime]

Mornin'


Reds March Online Tuesday (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/03/reds-march-online-tuesday)


MLS: Who will rule the East? (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/nigelreed/2011/03/2011-mls-eastern-conference-preview.html)


TFC prepares for change (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2011/03/14/17608626.html)


Canadian men to play friendly against Belarus (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/03/14/sp-soccer-canada-belarus.html)


Kelly: World Cup 2026 in Canada? It could happen (http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/article/953928--kelly-world-cup-2026-in-canada-it-could-happen)



SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

[FluSH]

Morning D'

[keem-o-sabi]

morning D',

coed girls 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/2011/02/23/miss-coed-alex-gameson-26-pics/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/2011/02/25/miss-coed-brittany-rotto-48-pics/)

[CoachGT]

Interesting to see the comments in the Sun article about refereeing. With a central "control base" and the referees now having a location in the league office I wonder if officiating will improve over the longer haul.

[scooter]

mornin d

[Technorgasm]

The simple Crew Equasion:

CREW - Schelotto. Hejduk, Gino Padula, Brian Carroll and Steven Lenhart.. . INSERt Cunningham? - this may be the year we beat them. . . . TWICE.

TFC 2011, 9 points on the bounce! (kthnxbye)

[Parkdale]

ummm..... why does the SSG have a crossbow?

[TFC Cityboy]

I stopped reading the Sun article at this point- not a lot of credibility there...

This type of strategy wasn't seen under Johnston, who earned the nickname "Trader Joe" after shipping players in and out of Toronto with great regularity during his tenure. .

[McBrace]

ummm..... why does the SSG have a crossbow?

Toronto Sportsman show this week. :cool:

[ensco]

Every single idiot who decides to argue that Canada will get a World Cup, or that the USSF would somehow partner with us on a bid, should be obligated upon pain of death to include this chart in their story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capacity

Canada's largest stadium, Commonwealth, would be 80th on that list.

[boban]

Every single idiot who decides to argue that Canada will get a World Cup, or that the USSF would somehow partner with us on a bid, should be obligated upon pain of death to include this chart in their story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capacity

Canada's largest stadium, Commonwealth, would be 80th on that list.
Actually 7th but anyways.
Esco, outside the US, every other country builds stadiums to host. That's what Canada would have to do. So that list is irrelivant.

Edit: Just reading the article now and stopped at the part where Kelly says to get it we need to piggy back on the US. Lost me right there. Most illogical thing right there.

[WestStandGeoff]

ummm..... why does the SSG have a crossbow?

Because she probably doesn't have the firearms license required to hold a high-powered assault rifle that I'm sure the photographer had in mind.

[Wull]

ummm..... why does the SSG have a crossbow?
When you look like that, you can do pretty much whatever you want!

[madcow]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this but SI run down their predictions on the Eastern conference.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/steve_davis/03/12/mls.eastern.conf2011/index.html

[Cas87]

Actually 7th but anyways.
Esco, outside the US, every other country builds stadiums to host. That's what Canada would have to do. So that list is irrelivant.

Edit: Just reading the article now and stopped at the part where Kelly says to get it we need to piggy back on the US. Lost me right there. Most illogical thing right there.

Canada would need to build but also it is the fact that retrofitting would work too.

In the long run if this is actually going to happen I see the following happening:
Expansion of:
EDMONTON
WINNIPEG (Their new stadium)
CALGARY
VANCOUVER
MONTREAL (Big O)
TORONTO (Rogers Centre)
MONCTON (Expand temporarily, unless they have a CFL team by then)

and New Stadiums in:
REGINA (Half Permanent, Half Temp --> ling run would be new for Roughriders)
TORONTO (New stadium for NFL/Olympics)
HALIFAX?

Overall, this idea of the world cup in Canada would serve the needs of some of the sports teams/communities in the country

[tfcmanu]

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2011/03/14/braz-adam-584-cp-100528.jpgMontreal Impact's Adam Braz, left, tussles with Toronto FC's Chad Barrett during first-half action in the Nutrilite Canadian Championship in Toronto, on April 28, 2010. (Chris Young/Canadian Press) Montreal defender Adam Braz retired Monday to become the Impact's team manager.
Braz, a nine-year veteran who spent seven years in Montreal, helped the Impact win championships in 2004 and 2009.
The 29-year-old, who also suited up with Toronto FC in 2007, started 121 of 145 career games.
Braz also played with the Canadian men's team at all age levels, including 12 games with the senior team between 2004 and 2007.
© The Canadian Press, 2011




Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/03/14/sp-braz-impact-retires.html#ixzz1GgMWCkKk

[Whoop]

I'm not that old but I'm not anticipating ever seeing a men's World Cup solely being hosted by Canada in my lifetime.

[Mark in Ottawa]

Canada would need to build but also it is the fact that retrofitting would work too.

In the long run if this is actually going to happen I see the following happening:
Expansion of:
EDMONTON
WINNIPEG (Their new stadium)
CALGARY
VANCOUVER
MONTREAL (Big O)
TORONTO (Rogers Centre)
MONCTON (Expand temporarily, unless they have a CFL team by then)

and New Stadiums in:
REGINA (Half Permanent, Half Temp --> ling run would be new for Roughriders)
TORONTO (New stadium for NFL/Olympics)
HALIFAX?

Overall, this idea of the world cup in Canada would serve the needs of some of the sports teams/communities in the country
Gee I guess Ottawa is off the soccer radar given our poor track record with professional summer sports teams :o.

[Redcoe15]

I just read Cathal Kelly's column. Holy fuck, what an unbelieveable amount of delusional shit this asshole shot out of his sphincter.

[mastermixer]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this but SI run down their predictions on the Eastern conference.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/steve_davis/03/12/mls.eastern.conf2011/index.html

Hearing about Mista being one of the biggest DP dissapointments really infuriates me. How hard was it to find a decent striker on this planet for the salary he got?

[Whoop]

Now you've done it Redcoe... LOL

Delusional?

[Brooker]

Actually 7th but anyways.
Esco, outside the US, every other country builds stadiums to host. That's what Canada would have to do. So that list is irrelivant.


LOL. :D

[ExiledRed]

Actually 7th but anyways.
Esco, outside the US, every other country builds stadiums to host. That's what Canada would have to do. So that list is irrelivant.

Edit: Just reading the article now and stopped at the part where Kelly says to get it we need to piggy back on the US. Lost me right there. Most illogical thing right there.

Actually having something in place before the bid gives you a much stronger chance, It looks good on the states not to have to build new stadiums because they already have dozens of stadiums that are huge and more than accomodating for a world cup. Given that its Canada and the CSA were deaing with, theres nothing to suggest that any stadiums we'd build would be anything more than 'just enough' and potentially half-assed.

Ensco's point is that the USA does not need Canada as a tag along, and if it were to come down to Canada v USA, the states have all the advantages.

I seem to remember that the states bid for 94 came with conditions that ensured the creation of a respectable first tier league with numerous teams, soccer specific stadiums, academy systems, youth programs and so on. MLS owes its existence to that succesful bid.

Conditions like this would almost certainly be imposed on a canadian bid, and personally I dont think the canadian government or the CSA has the will or enthusiasm to create a top tier canadian league of about 8 teams that isnt just some mickey mouse arrangement that would make MLS first year look like serie a.

[Pigfynn]

DeRo not talking to the media today as per Gerry Dobson's twitter

Fuck!

[menefreghista]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this but SI run down their predictions on the Eastern conference.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/steve_davis/03/12/mls.eastern.conf2011/index.html

Looks like SI weren't the only ones to rank us 17th going into the season:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/03/sbi-mls-preseason-power-rankings.html

[Whoop]

Actually having something in place before the bid gives you a much stronger chance, It looks good on the states not to have to build new stadiums because they already have dozens of stadiums that are huge and more than accomodating for a world cup. Given that its Canada and the CSA were deaing with, theres nothing to suggest that any stadiums we'd build would be anything more than 'just enough' and potentially half-assed.

Ensco's point is that the USA does not need Canada as a tag along, and if it were to come down to Canada v USA, the states have all the advantages.

I seem to remember that the states bid for 94 came with conditions that ensured the creation of a respectable first tier league with numerous teams, soccer specific stadiums, academy systems, youth programs and so on. MLS owes its existence to that succesful bid.

Conditions like this would almost certainly be imposed on a canadian bid, and personally I dont think the canadian government or the CSA has the will or enthusiasm to create a top tier canadian league of about 8 teams that isnt just some mickey mouse arrangement that would make MLS first year look like serie a.

This.

[Beach_Red]

Actually having something in place before the bid gives you a much stronger chance, It looks good on the states not to have to build new stadiums because they already have dozens of stadiums that are huge and more than accomodating for a world cup. Given that its Canada and the CSA were deaing with, theres nothing to suggest that any stadiums we'd build would be anything more than 'just enough' and potentially half-assed.

Ensco's point is that the USA does not need Canada as a tag along, and if it were to come down to Canada v USA, the states have all the advantages.

I seem to remember that the states bid for 94 came with conditions that ensured the creation of a respectable first tier league with numerous teams, soccer specific stadiums, academy systems, youth programs and so on. MLS owes its existence to that succesful bid.

Conditions like this would almost certainly be imposed on a canadian bid, and personally I dont think the canadian government or the CSA has the will or enthusiasm to create a top tier canadian league of about 8 teams that isnt just some mickey mouse arrangement that would make MLS first year look like serie a.


How does Qatar figure into this?

[keem-o-sabi]

Qatar had some ridiculous *ahem* budget for marketing, like 20 times that of every other country bidding. Oil money = World Cup. So unless Alberta is pumping out a ton of oil and everyone with the $$$ wants the WC here, it's not comparable to Qatar.

[rocker]

De Ro is gonna love this:

According to Garber, referees and linesman are being instructed to only call offsides if the player is clearly off, eliminating the close calls that take goal scoring opportunities away.

[Wull]

De Ro is gonna love this:

According to Garber, referees and linesman are being instructed to only call offsides if the player is clearly off, eliminating the close calls that take goal scoring opportunities away.

I thought that was the FIFA directive from 10 years back?!

[rocker]

i dunno..

but i do know De Ro went offside 41 times in 27 games last year. hopefully a few of those become legit chances this year!

now if they could just raise the bar on the goal, he'd be even better off! But I don't think FIFA would allow it....

[Ossington Mental Youth]

I thought that was the FIFA directive from 10 years back?!

seeing as concacaaf regs are at least 10 years behind the times thsi MIGHT put us on level playing field with the rest of the leagues around the world as far as reffing is concerned (doubt it)

[Carts]

I thought that was the FIFA directive from 10 years back?!

Yeah, I remember when that first happened / was revealed in articles and on TV - my father was irate (thought it was a "drastic" change) LOL...

[Beach_Red]

Qatar had some ridiculous *ahem* budget for marketing, like 20 times that of every other country bidding. Oil money = World Cup. So unless Alberta is pumping out a ton of oil and everyone with the $$$ wants the WC here, it's not comparable to Qatar.


Right, so as it stands now the main "condition" a bidder needs to look at is who else is bidding. If there's someone willing to spend enough money none of the other conditions will apply.

Should Canada or the USA even mount another bid if some other country is willing to spend 20 times as much and that's really all that will matter?

[Darlofletch]

De Ro is gonna love this:

According to Garber, referees and linesman are being instructed to only call offsides if the player is clearly off, eliminating the close calls that take goal scoring opportunities away.

well that has fiasco written all over it, as different linesmen deal with different interopretations of what "clearly" off means.

besides, if de ro's been cheating on thos close calls, and not getting away with it, he will, like any good pro, figure out the new normal and try to cheat on that, probably with a similar success/failure rate as he has now.

[drexel10]

During the conference Garber elaborated and said only call the offside if you are certain that it was offside, suggesting that linesman gave the benefit to the defending team.

He also wants penalties called for any tugging in the box on corners and set pieces. Wants to wipe that out of the game.

[Carts]

During the conference Garber elaborated and said only call the offside if you are certain that it was offside, suggesting that linesman gave the benefit to the defending team.

He also wants penalties called for any tugging in the box on corners and set pieces. Wants to wipe that out of the game.

I like that...

If officials stick to their guns on this - we'll see alot of penalties early in the year, but it will eventually get rid of alot of it because of the severe consequences...

If it does eventually get alot of the tugging eliminated, corners, and set pieces become more important than ever...

Can they make this happen? I doubt it, but I hope so... LOL

[TFCRegina]

De Ro is gonna love this:

According to Garber, referees and linesman are being instructed to only call offsides if the player is clearly off, eliminating the close calls that take goal scoring opportunities away.

Sounds retarded. Let the officials call the the game according to their interpretation of the laws, not according to the instructions from the league office.

[Carts]

Sounds retarded. Let the officials call the the game according to their interpretation of the laws, not according to the instructions from the league office.

Its not, its actually a good thing...

Every league in the world, in every sport in the world, has directions to the officials from league offices...

Certain leagues, within the same sport, have different problems than others - and league directives are used to try and fix the problems...

The NHL is the perfect example. Hockey world wide has the same rules in regards to hooking, obstruction etc - but in North America, the abuse of those rules reached a level where a league directive and adjustments were used to eliminate it from the game...

Look at racism in England in the early days of the Premier League. It was a massive problem. Worldwide in FIFA those comments are grounds for dicipline, but in certain countries the problem was terrible - league directives to officials to vigilant in noticing/hearing these incidents and call them have elimiated a great deal of it...

League directives are actually a step in the right direction. They are the league being pro-active in solving the problems it beleives they have...

The clutching and grabbing in North American footy is much worse than other areas, so he's taking steps to remove it...

The offsides, I often see a 50/50 call going to the defender - the directive is to use your instincts in a way not "...I'm unsure, flag up!..."

Carts...

[TFCRegina]

Every single idiot who decides to argue that Canada will get a World Cup, or that the USSF would somehow partner with us on a bid, should be obligated upon pain of death to include this chart in their story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capacity

Canada's largest stadium, Commonwealth, would be 80th on that list.

Olympic Stadium can theoretically sit 76,000. It's larger than Commonwealth.

[J .]

Looks like SI weren't the only ones to rank us 17th going into the season:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/03/sbi-mls-preseason-power-rankings.html


Im not shocked and in fact I am shocked TFC is not ranked 18th as of this point. I dont see how we will score other than DeRo and I dont see how we will defend or be able to defend if our midfield continues to try and press up high.

The only thing I believe is that Frei is the best keeper in MLS.

[Alonso]

I'm not that old but I'm not anticipating ever seeing a men's World Cup solely being hosted by Canada in my lifetime.


Qatar probably thought the same thing.

[Alonso]

How does Qatar figure into this?


Exactly.

[Alonso]

Qatar had some ridiculous *ahem* budget for marketing, like 20 times that of every other country bidding. Oil money = World Cup. So unless Alberta is pumping out a ton of oil and everyone with the $$$ wants the WC here, it's not comparable to Qatar.


It really comes down to a matter of will. There are very few countries, Qatar included, that have the resources and ability that Canada has.

Top 12 in GDP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Top 3 in proven oil reserves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proven_oil_reserves

Top 11 in GDP per capita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

It's really not a matter of money or resouces for us, this country could literally do anything that it put its mind to. If we wanted to run an organization like NASA it would be 10% of our annual budget. Extremely high and expensive, yes, but not impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget

[TFCRegina]

Qatar was not about oil money.

It was about natural gas money, which is also what Alberta is about. Alberta does not, contrary to popular belief, derive most of its royalties from oil.

It comes from natural gases.

Canada is number 4 in production, Qatar is number 7.

However, take the wealth from our production, divide it by 33,000,000 and take the wealth from Qatar's production and divide by 1,000,000.

That's the difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_production

[Whoop]

And Canada, in general, unless it's for winter sports, doesn't put money into sports.

As soccer fans we may want the World Cup to Canada, but my fellow Canadians might not.

[prizby]

a world cup would get federal spending...years ago harper committed to canada getting federal money to host 2 marquee world events every decade

secondly, it is coming to that time now where a lot of the cfl stadiums are about ready to fall apart...there is a need for new stadiums...what a perfect excuse to build up the cfl infrastructure by building for the WC

[Alonso]

Qatar was not about oil money.

It was about natural gas money, which is also what Alberta is about. Alberta does not, contrary to popular belief, derive most of its royalties from oil.

It comes from natural gases.

Canada is number 4 in production, Qatar is number 7.

However, take the wealth from our production, divide it by 33,000,000 and take the wealth from Qatar's production and divide by 1,000,000.

That's the difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_production


You do realize how this logic doesn't work right?

If I have 10 billion dollars worth of gas, divided by 18 trillion people. And you have 1 billion dollars in gas divided by 1 person... I still have 9 billion more dollars then you.

When it comes to stadium building it only matters how much you have, not how much per person you have.



We have 10 times the money Qatar has, per year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gdp_by_country

[Alonso]

a world cup would get federal spending...years ago harper committed to canada getting federal money to host 2 marquee world events every decade

secondly, it is coming to that time now where a lot of the cfl stadiums are about ready to fall apart...there is a need for new stadiums...what a perfect excuse to build up the cfl infrastructure by building for the WC


SEE, all you need is a vision, and some BALLS.... for a country that is top 15 (Money, and money per person) out of 192 countries we sure do underestimate ourselves.

[TFCRegina]

You do realize how this logic doesn't work right?

If I have 10 billion dollars worth of gas, divided by 18 trillion people. And you have 1 billion dollars in gas divided by 1 person... I still have 9 billion more dollars then you.

When it comes to stadium building it only matters how much you have, not how much per person you have.

Sure it is, per capita income is far more important than gross income.

China is the second largest economy on earth in gross terms, yet significant portions of their rural population live on less than a dollar a day and it has a fairly low per capita income.

Countries with higher per capita income have more stable economies and generally more cash to throw around at projects. Qatar, coincidentally, has one of the highest per capita incomes on earth.

The difference between a wealthy nation and a poor one is per capita income.

And your argument doesn't even make sense. Qatar has approximately just under half (let's assume it's half to make the math easy) the production we do. Let's compare apples to apples. If you have 100 dollars divided by 33, and 50 divided by 1, Which country has the wealthier population and is more likely to be able to afford events like this.

[werewolf]

Qatar will spend money to get the World Cup. Canada has the clowns from Breads Not Circuses making noise.

[Alonso]

Sure it is, per capita income is far more important than gross income.

China is the second largest economy on earth in gross terms, yet significant portions of their rural population live on less than a dollar a day and it has a fairly low per capita income.

Countries with higher per capita income have more stable economies and generally more cash to throw around at projects. Qatar, coincidentally, has one of the highest per capita incomes on earth.

The difference between a wealthy nation and a poor one is per capita income.

And your argument doesn't even make sense. Qatar has approximately just under half (let's assume it's half to make the math easy) the production we do. Let's compare apples to apples. If you have 100 dollars divided by 33, and 50 divided by 1, Which country has the wealthier population and is more likely to be able to afford events like this.


No they only have 1/10 the production we do, not 1/2.

[TFCRegina]

No they only have 1/10 the production we do, not 1/2.

I was talking natural gas, since everybody was bitching about the natural resources.

[Whoop]

^^
That's what I mean.

Qatar is ruled by an absolute monarch and what he says goes.

If the Conservatives propose a WC in Canada, the Liberals and New Democrats will cry foul.

If the Liberals propose a WC in Canada, the Conservatives will cry foul.

If the New Democrats propose a WC in Canada, hell has frozen over.

EDIT: In relation to werewolf's post.

[TFCRegina]

^^
That's what I mean.

Qatar is ruled by an absolute monarch and what he says goes.

If the Conservatives propose a WC in Canada, the Liberals and New Democrats will cry foul.

If the Liberals propose a WC in Canada, the Conservatives will cry foul.

If the New Democrats propose a WC in Canada, Jack the Political Windsock is pandering for votes again.

EDIT: In relation to werewolf's post.

Fixed.

[Alonso]

Sure it is, per capita income is far more important than gross income.

China is the second largest economy on earth in gross terms, yet significant portions of their rural population live on less than a dollar a day and it has a fairly low per capita income.

Countries with higher per capita income have more stable economies and generally more cash to throw around at projects. Qatar, coincidentally, has one of the highest per capita incomes on earth.

The difference between a wealthy nation and a poor one is per capita income.

And your argument doesn't even make sense. Qatar has approximately just under half (let's assume it's half to make the math easy) the production we do. Let's compare apples to apples. If you have 100 dollars divided by 33, and 50 divided by 1, Which country has the wealthier population and is more likely to be able to afford events like this.


Unlike Qatar we are top 15 in GDP and per capita GDP.... that's the difference.

We have 1.563 trillion to Qatar's 0.126 Trillion overall per year national GDP. So we have more then 10 times their wealth per year. They make $74,000 per capita per year and we make $45,000 per capita every year.

If they give $1,000 each person to host the WC, and we give $500 per person (to be more then fair) then they would raise $1,000 x 1,700,000 people = $1.7 billion and Canada would raise $500 x 33,000,000 people = $16.5 billion

This means, that the money/oil/gas argument is irrelevant.

AND We are

[Alonso]

^^
That's what I mean.

Qatar is ruled by an absolute monarch and what he says goes.

If the Conservatives propose a WC in Canada, the Liberals and New Democrats will cry foul.

If the Liberals propose a WC in Canada, the Conservatives will cry foul.

If the New Democrats propose a WC in Canada, hell has frozen over.

EDIT: In relation to werewolf's post.


Exactly, it's not the money, it's the will of the people. We blow 177 countries out of 192 out of the water when it comes to money!

[Beach_Red]

Qatar will spend money to get the World Cup. Canada has the clowns from Breads Not Circuses making noise.

Breads not Circuses are irrellevant, the only clowns would be anyone influenced by them. If Canadian business leaders really get influenced by organizations like that we're in far worse trouble than we know.

But one thing they might do is make politicians nevous enough to try and make the process a slight bit more transparent - and no transparent bid wins a corrupt competition.