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denime
03-04-2011, 06:21 AM
Mornin'


Charlston Day 1 TFC-TV (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2830)


Dasovic Highlights 2011 Hall Class (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/03/dasovic-highlights-2011-hall-class)


What women's World Cup could mean to Canada (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/the-worlds-game/what-womens-world-cup-could-mean-to-canada/article1928673/)


FIFA keeps qualifying places for 2014 WC (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2011/03/03/fifa_worldcup_2014/)


Pan Am? What a scam! (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2011/03/03/17488566.html)





SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

TOBOR !
03-04-2011, 07:49 AM
thanks denime.

lips
03-04-2011, 07:57 AM
Mornin' All

Technorgasm
03-04-2011, 08:10 AM
cheers to all the lads in Charleston!!!!

Oldtimer
03-04-2011, 08:28 AM
"What happened in the voting is that someone promised something, and when it came down to the voting, didn't deliver," Mexican Football Federation president Justino Compean told ESPN Radio. "(CONCACAF President Jack) Warner and Blazer are trustworthy people, but we only have three votes against 24.":smilielol5: :facepalm:

scooter
03-04-2011, 08:29 AM
mornin d

Whoop
03-04-2011, 08:31 AM
That is a funny quote. LOL

London
03-04-2011, 08:35 AM
cheers to all the lads in Charleston!!!!


cheers to you too techno,

we arrived late last night.

i hear adrian showed up too

Whoop
03-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Good stuff Pat.

London
03-04-2011, 08:38 AM
i might have read it wrong, maybe he isn't here

anto7
03-04-2011, 09:03 AM
Wow,I had a tough time recognizing too many faces in the Charlston video although I swear I saw Adrian Serioux...lol

anto7
03-04-2011, 09:04 AM
Anyone check out the live feed from Vancouver?, that's pretty funny !

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 09:08 AM
For once, I agree with Wheeler. Big mistake for Toronto not to be a host city in 2015. No one gives a shit about the Pan Am games. I'll be paying much more attention to the Women's WC.

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 09:15 AM
WWC 2015- Toronto chooses Pan-Am over the Women's game. I' can't wait to find out what event I'm not going to go see at our "National Soccer Stadium" while the rest of the country enjoys the growth of our game.

I hope that Toronto will make up for this when we host the 2014 U-17 Women's World Cup. At least host the final here.

The fact we are not gauranteed to have to playoff with the CONMEBOL 5th place to get in the World Cup any more is a relief.

Also-The Gold Cup groups will be announced Tuesday at noon on concacaf.com

http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves

Alixir
03-04-2011, 09:26 AM
good thing is that even though it is said that TO will not host any womens games, the locations are still not set in concrete and hopefully TO will wake up and realize....nobody gives a shit about the PAN AM games anyway.

C.Ronaldo
03-04-2011, 09:31 AM
the olympics didnt start out huge

the pan am games can also grow to a large size

Alixir
03-04-2011, 09:33 AM
the olympics didnt start out huge

the pan am games can also grow to a large sizethe olympics is a world wide event...the PAN AM games has participants from only the Americas.

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 09:40 AM
good thing is that even though it is said that TO will not host any womens games, the locations are still not set in concrete and hopefully TO will wake up and realize....nobody gives a shit about the PAN AM games anyway.

Agreed but



bid submission: Vancouver, BC, Edmonton, AB, Winnipeg, MB, Ottawa, ON, Montréal, QC, Halifax, NS and Moncton, NB.

out of the above cities I don't see any giving a Womens World Cup game up. The smaller cities really show for the Women's game (like as many or more than Toronto in most cases) and the larger cities just wouldn't give it up out of spite for the centre of the universe:D

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:43 AM
....nobody gives a shit about the PAN AM games anyway.


incorrect.

The Pan-Am games are widely held to be the 2nd largest sporting 'games' after the Olympics. It attracts a huge amount of athletes from all over North and South America. It IS a big deal.

I'd love to see some of the FIFA Women's matches at BMO, but let's be honest..... the Pan-Am games is a MUCH bigger event.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:49 AM
and one other point we could EASILY dispute from the Sun Article:


The U-20 Men’s World Cup in 2007 drummed up nearly $50 million in economic activity for the City of Toronto. That’s some nice cake, considering the Men’s U-20 falls lower in FIFA’s pecking order than the Women’s World Cup. And when FIFA rolls into town with their big sponsors in tow, it leaves an imprint.

"Pecking order" be dammed - the interest in the U-20 is way bigger then for the women's cup. Sorry, but it is, and that's really not even up for debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup#Goalscorers
Look at the list of guys who scored for their teams at the U20.

Anyone who really thinks the Women's Cup gets more attention than the U20 is lying to themself

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 09:50 AM
I'm as excited to see the Pan-Am games intrude on the WWC2015 as I was to see that Genesis was playing at BMO. or the Nationals lacrosse lines.

Go Sports!!!

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 09:50 AM
incorrect.

The Pan-Am games are widely held to be the 2nd largest sporting 'games' after the Olympics. It attracts a huge amount of athletes from all over North and South America. It IS a big deal.

I'd love to see some of the FIFA Women's matches at BMO, but let's be honest..... the Pan-Am games is a MUCH bigger event.

It is such a huge event, that American networks haven't bothered to cover it the last three times.

Agreed Parky that it probably trumps the Women's WC in terms of the scale of the event, but that isn't the point. The fact that Toronto isn't going to host the largest competition for women in the world's most popular sport is just not on.

Roogsy
03-04-2011, 09:50 AM
good thing is that even though it is said that TO will not host any womens games, the locations are still not set in concrete and hopefully TO will wake up and realize....nobody gives a shit about the PAN AM games anyway.


Man...you are a collection of inaccurate generalizations aren't you? :lol:

Roogsy
03-04-2011, 09:51 AM
It is such a huge event, that American networks haven't bothered to cover it the last three times.

Americans don't cover Cricket either...are you telling me that's not huge?

Here's a question...do the Europeans and Asians cover the Pan-Am games?

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 09:52 AM
and one other point we could EASILY dispute from the Sun Article:



"Pecking order" be dammed - the interest in the U-20 is way bigger then for the women's cup. Sorry, but it is, and that's really not even up for debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup#Goalscorers
Look at the list of guys who scored for their teams at the U20.

Anyone who really thinks the Women's Cup gets more attention than the U20 is lying to themself

That considered, we still have an opportunity to show the world how much we love the game by making it the most successful WWC in history.

Like we did for the U-20WC.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:53 AM
It is such a huge event, that American networks haven't bothered to cover it the last three times.

Agreed Parky that it probably trumps the Women's WC in terms of the scale of the event, but that isn't the point. The fact that Toronto isn't going to host the largest competition for women in the world's most popular sport is just not on.


yeah, I wish that the final was here, or even some of the games, BUT I understand that you can't have it all.

And look at how tough the competition was to land the FIFA Women's Cup (big sarcasm face right there). Clearly, if we're the only people who wanted to host it, then it's not really an 'in demand' event.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:55 AM
That considered, we still have an opportunity to show the world how much we love the game by making it the most successful WWC in history.

Like we did for the U-20WC.


sure, and I'm happy canada will have the chance to do that, AND would like to see some games in Toronto


BUT shitting on the Pan-Am games won't make that happen.

And pretending for a split-second that the FIFA women's cup is even comparable to the Pan-Am games is just absurd.

Roogsy
03-04-2011, 09:55 AM
yeah, I wish that the final was here, or even some of the games, BUT I understand that you can't have it all.

And look at how tough the competition was to land the FIFA Women's Cup (big sarcasm face right there). Clearly, if we're the only people who wanted to host it, then it's not really an 'in demand' event.

Zimbabwe wanted to host it too bro...

WestStandGeoff
03-04-2011, 09:56 AM
and one other point we could EASILY dispute from the Sun Article:



"Pecking order" be dammed - the interest in the U-20 is way bigger then for the women's cup. Sorry, but it is, and that's really not even up for debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup#Goalscorers
Look at the list of guys who scored for their teams at the U20.

Anyone who really thinks the Women's Cup gets more attention than the U20 is lying to themself

That's pretty much what I was thinking when I read it too... what next, is Wheeler going to try to tell us the WNBA championship is more prestigious than winning the NCAA tournament? I mean, after all, you're comparing "professionals" to a bunch of college kids, right?

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:57 AM
It is such a huge event, that American networks haven't bothered to cover it the last three times.


you should check your facts :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pan_American_Games#Broadcasting

2007 in Brazil - Covered by ESPN


Broadcasting



Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_football_team) : Canal 7 Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_7_Argentina)
Bolivia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia_national_football_team) : Radio y Television Boliviana (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Radio_y_Television_Boliviana&action=edit&redlink=1)
Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_national_football_team) : Rede Bandeirantes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Bandeirantes), Rede Globo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Globo), Rede Record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Record), BandSports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BandSports), ESPN Brasil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_Brasil), Sportv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportv)
Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_men%27s_national_soccer_team) : CTV Sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTV_Sports)
Chile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_national_football_team) : Canal 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_13_%28Chile%29), TVN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVN_%28Chile%29)
Colombia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia_national_football_team) : Caracol TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracol_TV), RCN Television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCN_Television)
Dominican Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic_national_football_team) : Tele Antillas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tele_Antillas)
Ecuador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador_national_football_team) : Gamavision (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamavision&action=edit&redlink=1), Teleamazonas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleamazonas)
European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) : Eurosport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosport)
El Salvador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador_national_football_team) : Telecorporación Salvadoreña (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecorporaci%C3%B3n_Salvadore%C3%B1a)
Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_national_football_team) : ESPN Deportes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_Deportes), Televisa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televisa)
Panama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_national_football_team) : RPC TV-canal 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RPC_TV-canal_4&action=edit&redlink=1)TV MAX-Canal 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TV_MAX-Canal_9&action=edit&redlink=1)
Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru_national_football_team) : America TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_TV), Panamericana Television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamericana_Television)
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_men%27s_national_soccer_team) : ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN)
Uruguay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_national_football_team) : Teledoce (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teledoce&action=edit&redlink=1)
Venezuela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela_national_football_team) : Meridiano TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridiano_TV)

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 09:57 AM
yeah, I wish that the final was here, or even some of the games, BUT I understand that you can't have it all.

And look at how tough the competition was to land the FIFA Women's Cup (big sarcasm face right there). Clearly, if we're the only people who wanted to host it, then it's not really an 'in demand' event.

I'd like to think of it as not just how little the world respects the women's game but how we respect our women so much more.:D

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:58 AM
Zimbabwe wanted to host it too bro...


yeah, true. Still, it's a far cry from the massive bids that cities/countries put in for the Pan-Am games

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 09:58 AM
I'd like to think of it as not just how little the world respects the women's game but how we respect our women so much more.:D


is there a girl looking over your shoulder that you are trying to impress?

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 10:03 AM
BUT shitting on the Pan-Am games won't make that happen.

And pretending for a split-second that the FIFA women's cup is even comparable to the Pan-Am games is just absurd.

Oh but it will make me feel so much better.:D

I don't want to dwell but it could be argued the two are comparable if one looks at nationwide importance (anywhere outside T.O.) but I admit the games will be much bigger for Toronto.

Even though it's lame.;)

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 10:05 AM
is there a girl looking over your shoulder that you are trying to impress?

look who you're talkin to...


and it's not TRYING. It's working.:D

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:13 AM
I don't want to dwell but it could be argued the two are comparable if one looks at nationwide importance (anywhere outside T.O.) but I admit the games will be much bigger for Toronto.


the Pan-Am games will be bigger for ALL of Canada.
Why? because there are Canadians competing in every event!
The athletes come from coast to coast, not just from the host city.


in the 2007 games, there were 5600 athletes competing in 332 events.
Canada won 138 medals at those games.

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 10:15 AM
Americans don't cover Cricket either...are you telling me that's not huge?

Here's a question...do the Europeans and Asians cover the Pan-Am games?

I don't think you can compare the cricket world cup, which has a global viewing audience of 2.2 billion to the Pan Am games. The ICC World Cup doesn't need American interest, plain and simple.

The fact that the US should have a vested interest in the Pan Am, since they participate in it and have traditionally dominated (with "second-string athletes" at that), yet don't cover it on TV, is a pretty good indicator of where it falls into the pecking order in the sporting consciousness.

My point wasn't that an event needs American interest/financial backing to be big. My point is that the Pan Am games are very much a "B" event on a global scale (as is the women's WC, it has to be admitted), and it is a shame that Tourism Toronto has deemed this to be so important at the exclusion of hosting a few games of the biggest women's soccer competition in the world.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:19 AM
The fact that the US should have a vested interest in the Pan Am, since they participate in it and have traditionally dominated (with "second-string athletes" at that), yet don't cover it on TV, is a pretty good indicator of where it falls into the pecking order in the sporting consciousness.

so you missed the post where I disproved that?

ESPN covered the 2007 one.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:21 AM
My point wasn't that an event needs American interest/financial backing to be big. My point is that the Pan Am games are very much a "B" event on a global scale, and it is a shame that Tourism Toronto has deemed this to be so important that they have said no to hosting a few games of the biggest women's soccer competition in the world.

I will agree that the Pan-Am games are a 'B-Class' event on a global scale.

but where do you honestly think the women's worldcup fits in?

I think 'C-Class' would be extremely generous.

TFCRegina
03-04-2011, 10:22 AM
I will agree that the Pan-Am games are a 'B-Class' event on a global scale.

but where do you honestly think the women's worldcup fits in?

I think 'C-Class' would be extremely generous.

Regardless of the class, or the Pan Am Games, Toronto should be hosting at least one game, preferably with the CWNT in it.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:22 AM
and whoever made the 'WNBA' to 'NCAA' comparison hit the nail on the head when it comes to comparing the U20 to the FIFA Women.

Suds
03-04-2011, 10:22 AM
And back to TFC related news ... :)


LukeWileman (http://twitter.com/LukeWileman) Forward Andrew Ornoch is the latest trialist to join #torontofc (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23torontofc). He is with the team in Charleston

TFCRegina
03-04-2011, 10:24 AM
Hahahahahahaha Ornoch is back?

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:25 AM
Regardless of the class, or the Pan Am Games, Toronto should be hosting at least one game, preferably with the CWNT in it.


sure. that's what I'd like to see too.

BUT Toronto agreed to host the Pan-Am games, and the wheels are in motion. Maybe everything is booked and there's just no way to realistically host a FIFA match, even if we wanted to?

Suds
03-04-2011, 10:25 AM
^^
According to Wileman's twitter post a couple hours ago he is.

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 10:30 AM
so you missed the post where I disproved that?

ESPN covered the 2007 one.

Read your post afterwards. Not trying to make a big deal of it, but I mean the main networks which most every American home would receive (CBS, ABC, NBC). And even then, I would assume it would have been ESPN Deportes or ESPN U that in fact showed the coverage, but I don't know that for certain, so you can feel free to dismiss that :).

Pigfynn
03-04-2011, 10:30 AM
Panic button has been hit.


Holy shit this fucking team


:facepalm:

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:36 AM
Read your post afterwards. Not trying to make a big deal of it, but I mean the main networks which most every American home would receive (CBS, ABC, NBC). And even then, I would assume it would have been ESPN Deportes or ESPN U that in fact showed the coverage, but I don't know that for certain, so you can feel free to dismiss that :).


I understand that wheeler said it in the article, but we all know that he pulls "facts" out of his ass to make a story.


here's what 30 seconds of google seaching turned up for me



ESPN will provide multimedia coverage of 2007 Pan American Games
For immediate release - July 7, 2007

Using a full collection of its multimedia assets, ESPN will provide unmatched, daily coverage of the 15th edition of the Pan American Games live from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, July 13–29. Coverage of the Pan American Games will be featured on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Deportes, ESPN360.com, ESPN Deportes Radio, ESPNdeportes.com and ESPN Deportes La Revista.

ESPN Deportes, the company’s Spanish-language network in the United States, will offer at least 10 hours of daily coverage starting with Opening Ceremonies July 13 at 3 p.m. ET. Spanish-language coverage will begin at noon and conclude at 10 p.m. ET on weekdays and 9 a.m. – 10 p.m. ET on weekends. ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN360.com will simulcast some of ESPN Deportes’ Spanish-language coverage. The ESPN family will provide more than 160 hours of Pan American Games-related programming, the most ever televised in the USA.

Each day will begin with a preview show and conclude with a one-hour live edition of SportsCenter at 10 p.m., ET. Pan American Games-related programming will begin airing on the 6:30 p.m. edition of SportsCenter with a series of long-form features that will take an in-depth look at some of the athletes and most storied teams competing.

Other ESPN coverage notes

ESPN Deportes Radio: The only around-the-clock national Spanish-language radio network in the United States, will broadcast Panamericanos En Dos Horas (Mon. – Fri. @ 1 p.m. ET), a daily two-hour Pan American Games news and information show. Additionally, the radio network will also offer national coverage of the Men’s Soccer competitions.

ESPNdeportes.com: The leading Spanish-language sports Web site in the U.S and Latin America will provide in-depth coverage highlighted by extensive online video, live streaming of ESPN Deportes’ telecast available to users in the U.S, historical data, previews and team athlete profiles, a countdown clock pointing to the Opening Ceremony, live-results, medal tracker, reports from onsite, blogs and chats hosted by ESPN Deportes talent, a calendar of all the games (http://panam.espndeportes.com), (http://panam.espndeportes.com%29,/) photo galleries and much more.

· ESPN Deportes La Revista: The first Spanish-language general sports magazine in the U.S., will have a special issue dedicated to the Pan American Games.

Held every four years during the year prior to the Olympic Games, the Pan American Games is a multi-sport, quadrennial event for the Americas. The 15th edition of the Pan American Games will feature approximately 5,500 athletes from 42 countries. This year the U.S. delegation will include approximately 650 athletes competing in 35 sports.

Please note that USA Gymnastics does not have any more information than is included here. For more information, please contact ESPN Deportes directly.

2007 Pan American Games gymnastics TV coverage

ESPN Deportes

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil



All times are Eastern; Subject to change; check your local listings. Only gymnastics coverage is listed here; for a complete listing, go to the ESPN Web sites.





so yeah, 10 hours a day of Spanish coverage, but you can be certain that ESPN was playing highlights and taking content the whole time. Sure ESPN isn't 'ABC/NBC/CBS/ but that's totally irrelevant in today's cable world.

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 10:39 AM
^Yeah, I was using Wiki as my source for that, which itself is questionable of course. I'm sure that's where Wheeler got it from.

Hey, I stand corrected.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm sure that's where Wheeler got it from.


thin air?

but yeah, sorry for derailing this one guys, and I really would like to see a FIFA match at BMO (because it is the NSS after all) but I just take offense to Wheeler's attitude that the PanAm games are small potatoes.


When the Dali Llama comes to Toronto and does a big public appearance, he does it at the Skydome - but sorry dude, not when Lady Gaga is doing her concert. Find another venue or reschedule.

http://www.toronto2015.org/lang/en/toronto-2015-games/sports-program-venue-plan.html


and here's fun...... BMO field is already booked for the football (soccer) games.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 10:53 AM
more context:

sports taking place inside the CNE grounds during the Pan-Am games:

Beach Volleyball
Cycling (road)
Triathlon
Football (soccer at bmo)
Handball
Karate
Cycling (bmx)
Gymnastics

All taking place July10 -26 2015 - I can't find the exact dates of the FIFA Women's Cup, but I bet it's right around the same time.

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 10:58 AM
more context:

sports taking place inside the CNE grounds during the Pan-Am games:

Beach Volleyball
Cycling (road)
Triathlon
Football (soccer at bmo)
Handball
Karate
Cycling (bmx)
Gymnastics

All taking place July10 -26 2015 - I can't find the exact dates of the FIFA Women's Cup, but I bet it's right around the same time.

I'm no poker player Parky, but I believe you may have shown your tell there.;)

And please. Please don't console us with Pan-Am footie. I can't bear it.:D

Yagbod
03-04-2011, 11:00 AM
For those interested in trying to change their mind:

Tourism Toronto's email: toronto@torcvb.com (toronto@torcvb.com)

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 11:07 AM
I'm no poker player Parky, but I believe you may have shown your tell there.;)



naw... I'll be on toronto island at RCYC watching laser Class sailboat racing.


;)

Darlofletch
03-04-2011, 11:10 AM
Hahahahahahaha Ornoch is back?

the next move in the grand TFC vs Cann game of chicken.

"you see? we don't need you at all, we can replace you just like that"

Fort York Redcoat
03-04-2011, 11:11 AM
Well clearly EVERYONE isn't watching the Pan-Am games then. It's big, just not Laserboat big. You know I kid. I'd rather watch laserboats too.;)

Roogsy
03-04-2011, 11:12 AM
I don't think you can compare the cricket world cup, which has a global viewing audience of 2.2 billion to the Pan Am games. The ICC World Cup doesn't need American interest, plain and simple.


That was not your statement. Your statement was:


It is such a huge event, that American networks haven't bothered to cover it the last three times.

The implication being that if the Americans don't cover it, it isn't huge. Now you're contradicting yourself saying that there are huge events in this world that the US networks do not cover, negating your original point that if the US does not cover the PanAm games, it indicates a lack of importance.

TFCRegina
03-04-2011, 11:13 AM
the next move in the grand TFC vs Cann game of chicken.

"you see? we don't need you at all, we can replace you just like that"

Doubtful. They play completely different positions. Ornoch is a forward. Sturgis was more likely brought in in the Cann game of Chicken.

Ornoch is likely getting a look to help boost our paltry forward collection.

Darlofletch
03-04-2011, 11:18 AM
Doubtful. They play completely different positions. Ornoch is a forward. Sturgis was more likely brought in in the Cann game of Chicken.

Ornoch is likely getting a look to help boost our paltry forward collection.

very true. for some reason I had in my head that he was a defender. i stand corrected and well and truly pwned.

Razor
03-04-2011, 11:22 AM
more context:

sports taking place inside the CNE grounds during the Pan-Am games:

Beach Volleyball
Cycling (road)
Triathlon
Football (soccer at bmo)
Handball
Karate
Cycling (bmx)
Gymnastics

All taking place July10 -26 2015 - I can't find the exact dates of the FIFA Women's Cup, but I bet it's right around the same time.


Women's beach volleyball...yes guy! :D

mastermixer
03-04-2011, 11:26 AM
Maybe the blame should lie on the CSA for getting this event fully knowing that the Pan Am Games are occuring at nearly the same time. I think its poor planning on their part.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Maybe the blame should lie on the CSA for getting this event fully knowing that the Pan Am Games are occuring at nearly the same time. I think its poor planning on their part.


while it is EASY to blame them for everything.... the aprox dates are probably already set by FIFA.

If they had to make the call of having the event in Canada (but not Toronto) or nothing, then they made the right call.

mastermixer
03-04-2011, 11:35 AM
while it is EASY to blame them for everything.... the aprox dates are probably already set by FIFA.

If they had to make the call of having the event in Canada (but not Toronto) or nothing, then they made the right call.

But if the goal is to grow the popularity of the game in Canada, then having the cup here while a larger event is occuring during the same time doesnt help the cause much.

Batman
03-04-2011, 11:36 AM
while it is EASY to blame them for everything.... the aprox dates are probably already set by FIFA.

If they had to make the call of having the event in Canada (but not Toronto) or nothing, then they made the right call.

Ya...totally agree.. The CSA wouldn't have had a choice on dates.

So, the should be COMMENEDED! At least we now know they are capable of winning a one horse race! I wasn't so sure a few monthws ago.

But, regardless, Toronto should still do everything they can to get in on this and get the FINAL!

Whoop
03-04-2011, 11:39 AM
Wow... I actually agree with Roogsy. :D

While I'm disappointed that Toronto won't be hosting a match at the National Soccer Stadium, as a fan of amateur athletics, I also know the importance of the Pan-Am Games. I still don't understand how Toronto can't host a match before the Games when the schedules, apparently, don't interlock?

Are the major American networks providing in-depth coverage of the Women's World Cup? I'm sure the final will on a CBS or ABC, but will there be live coverage of matches?

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 11:42 AM
But if the goal is to grow the popularity of the game in Canada, then having the cup here while a larger event is occuring during the same time doesnt help the cause much.


that's life.

there's always something bigger going on somewhere, and unless you're the Superbowl or the WorldCup, you just have to do the best job you can do.

Auzzy
03-04-2011, 11:43 AM
I'm looking forward to the 2015 Pan Am games, but I would still like to see a few Womens World Cup games, in Toronto. And, it's still easily doable, if Toronto wants it.

2015 WWC runs mid-June to mid-July, approximately. As Parkdale wrote above, Pan Am starts July 10th. Even leaving some buffer time for setup, full hotels, etc., it would be easy to have at least a small number of the early group games in Toronto. Why not the WWC tournament opener at least in Toronto, that would be a nice splash! Plus, I recently read that most of the Pan Am soccer games will be in Hamilton; only a few at BMO.

I just don't know if Tourism Toronto, or anyone in Toronto, wants to push for this. No particular WWC games have been assigned to the other bidding cities yet, but probably someone will complain if Toronto comes in late & grabs a few games.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 11:48 AM
I just don't know if Tourism Toronto, or anyone in Toronto, wants to push for this.

I think that's the case, and I understand why they would be reluctant to ask for more.

let's say you're doing the biggest project of the year, and you expect it to take all your resources and time just to get it done by the deadline. Are you really going to take on another project that will eat up resources and time, and potentially risk creating a delivery conflict?

I'd say Pass

Ossington Mental Youth
03-04-2011, 12:03 PM
couldnt care less about either of em. glad theyre happening in Canada and i hope soccer definitely catches on in the rest of the country but i wont be watching (or caring)

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 12:05 PM
That was not your statement. Your statement was:



The implication being that if the Americans don't cover it, it isn't huge. Now you're contradicting yourself saying that there are huge events in this world that the US networks do not cover, negating your original point that if the US does not cover the PanAm games, it indicates a lack of importance.

Parkdale already showed that my assertion re: American TV coverage was incorrect, so in a sense, I don't see the point in continuing the argument. However, I will say that despite how it may have sounded, that is not what I was trying to imply.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 12:07 PM
Parkdale already showed that my assertion re: American TV coverage was incorrect, so in a sense, I don't see the point in continuing the argument..

it's roogsy.

he takes simple arguments and turns them into thesis papers.


don't sweat it bro :drinking:

tfcleeds
03-04-2011, 12:14 PM
^Haha, oh, I know...:) ;)

Fishnicker
03-04-2011, 12:41 PM
Screw the Pan-Am games - I only watch the Goodwill Games. Greatest sporting event on earth!

DangerRed
03-04-2011, 12:54 PM
Whitecaps have signed French striker Eric Hassli to a four-year deal. Dude currently plays for FC Zurich and isn't too shabby:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Whitecaps+sign+French+striker+Eric+Hassli/4384405/story.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hassli

This is exactly the type of guy we're lacking, Danny-style.

EDIT: "It's believed Hassli will be in Vancouver in time for the opening regular-season Major League Soccer game against Toronto FC at Empire Field on March 19."

TOBOR !
03-04-2011, 01:45 PM
you should check your facts :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pan_American_Games#Broadcasting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pan_American_Games#Broadcasting)

2007 in Brazil - Covered by ESPN




^ ESPN deportes.

The PAN AMs are larger in South/Central America than anywhere else. I think up here they'll be met with great indifference.

Also, in 2007 12 teams competed in Men's soccer, in 2011 that number is down to 8 teams - how many will show up in 2015 (so, who gives a shit where the soccer stadium ends up being built after all) ?

edit - actually, I do care because it's more about what the stadium can be used for after the games, duh.

I now have this sinking feeling that these games are going to be a giant bust of epic proportions

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2011, 02:02 PM
Wow... I actually agree with Roogsy. :D

While I'm disappointed that Toronto won't be hosting a match at the National Soccer Stadium, as a fan of amateur athletics, I also know the importance of the Pan-Am Games. I still don't understand how Toronto can't host a match before the Games when the schedules, apparently, don't interlock?

Are the major American networks providing in-depth coverage of the Women's World Cup? I'm sure the final will on a CBS or ABC, but will there be live coverage of matches?

Very likely, I'd say. Mainly on the secondary ESPN channels, USWNT matches will get on ESPN2 for sure. Haven't heard much about the plans for 2011 but if anything I'd expect more from ESPN/ABC in 2015, given the favorable time zone situation.

mastermixer
03-04-2011, 02:08 PM
Whitecaps have signed French striker Eric Hassli to a four-year deal. Dude currently plays for FC Zurich and isn't too shabby:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Whitecaps+sign+French+striker+Eric+Hassli/4384405/story.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hassli

This is exactly the type of guy we're lacking, Danny-style.

EDIT: "It's believed Hassli will be in Vancouver in time for the opening regular-season Major League Soccer game against Toronto FC at Empire Field on March 19."

Wonder if he's a DP.

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 02:16 PM
The PAN AMs are larger in South/Central America than anywhere else. I think up here they'll be met with great indifference.


I dont think so.

Remember that sugar high Canada had over the last Olympics? Well this will be our chance to feel that rush again, just with summer athletes and a less competitive field. I expect every medal to make the evening news.

TOBOR !
03-04-2011, 02:20 PM
^ agreed (about the coverage), but I think the true barometer will be 'bums in seats' as they say. Expect lots of ticket giveaways (see Bills in Toronto series).

Parkdale
03-04-2011, 02:24 PM
yeah totally. some events will draw big numbers, and others will be lucky to have anyone there.

But on the whole, there's a lot of variety in the games, so there really is something for everyone.



Baseball
Bowling
Futsal
Karate
Racquetball
Roller Sports
Softball
Squash
Water Ski / Wakeboard




Aquatics
Archery
Athletics (Track & Field)
Badminton
Basketball
Boxing
Canoe/Kayak
Cycling
Equestrian



Fencing
Field Hockey
Football (Soccer)
Golf
Gymnastics
Handball
Judo
Modern Pentathlon
Rowing



Rugby
Sailing
Shooting
Table Tennis
Taekwondo
Tennis
Triathlon
Volleyball
Weightlifting
Wrestling




"roller spots" ???? I don't know, but it sounds awesome!

TorCanSoc
03-04-2011, 04:34 PM
If they don't "Toronto price" us out, I'll be attending the games. This is the key. No one is going to watch the marginal sports if its $50 a ticket. But if you get some kind of general admission pass, then you can watch a lot of different things. I'll attend the wrestling, judo and tae kwon do. Then maybe see some sports I've never seen before.

However, I have a feeling, anything associated with Toronto and a big ticket sporting event means corporate sales over affordability for the masses.

Blowing Bubbles
03-04-2011, 09:14 PM
so you missed the post where I disproved that?

ESPN covered the 2007 one.


and how much did they pay for the broadcast rights?

a 2 litre of milk and a loaf of bread?

Lizzy
03-04-2011, 09:27 PM
But if the goal is to grow the popularity of the game in Canada, then having the cup here while a larger event is occuring during the same time doesnt help the cause much.

The Pan Am Games are a larger event than the FIFA Women's World Cup? Give over. Not to mention we will have a great chance to win the whole thing on our home soil.

sidvan
03-04-2011, 09:35 PM
As much as i appreciate the athleticism of these fine athletes, sorry won't be watching or attending - TFC's 2nd MLS Championship campaign will be that year and that's where I'll be focused.

Razcle
03-04-2011, 09:43 PM
ROAD TRIP......Ottawa or Montreal, it is not that far and only $20 as long as Mega Bus is still operating in 2015.

kaos197O
03-04-2011, 10:06 PM
I'd take the WWC over Pan AM anytime. I'll be doing the WWC 2015 Halifax/Moncton style. Should be able to catch some great games between the 2 venues. Hopefully i'll be able to catch some Canadian and German matches there. Can't wait!