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denime
01-25-2011, 06:21 AM
Mornin'



Omphroy Praises Toronto (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/01/omphroy-praises-toronto)


De Vos: Changes coming to Canadian soccer (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/jasondevos/2011/01/change-on-the-horizon-for-canadian-soccer.html)


Reed: Canadian women can't dwell on defeat (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/nigelreed/2011/01/canadian-women-must-not-dwell-on-defeat.html)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

Suds
01-25-2011, 06:44 AM
Kudos to the CWNT. Great to bounce back with a big win over Sweden.

Klinsmann
01-25-2011, 06:45 AM
http://www.rednationonline.ca/Inside_the_MLS_Steven_Beattie_january_25_11_featur e.shtml

Alixir
01-25-2011, 07:22 AM
lol De Vos.

Oldtimer
01-25-2011, 07:28 AM
Umbro should kick off real change for Canadian soccer


http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/comment/article/752508--umbro-should-kick-off-real-change-for-canadian-soccer

Technorgasm
01-25-2011, 07:50 AM
This is topic #1 EVERYtime I visit L&M Taylor (my soccer shop). . . FINALLY some movement. . Chevrons? umm. . . . . I dont like them, too Mancky. . . . . . but. its progress.

http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/1a/7b/409fb572456da2fbd0a183d327a0.jpeg

Umbro was unveiled as a major new sponsor for the Canadian Soccer Association's Men's National Team last night in Toronto

London
01-25-2011, 07:52 AM
^^^^^^UGLY

Stouffville_RPB
01-25-2011, 07:56 AM
Not a big fan of the red jersey. A single white chevron would've been better. The white one is slightly better. Overall not really impressed.

Oldtimer
01-25-2011, 08:09 AM
Christine Sinclair scored a great goal against Sweden yesterday for the CWNT:

nwuf-OuiWsQ&feature=player_embedded

scooter
01-25-2011, 09:27 AM
mornin d

sweet goal by sinclair

scooter
01-25-2011, 09:27 AM
This is topic #1 EVERYtime I visit L&M Taylor (my soccer shop). . . FINALLY some movement. . Chevrons? umm. . . . . I dont like them, too Mancky. . . . . . but. its progress.

http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/1a/7b/409fb572456da2fbd0a183d327a0.jpeg


Umbro was unveiled as a major new sponsor for the Canadian Soccer Association's Men's National Team last night in Toronto


fook we cant even get the uni's right

Sullivan
01-25-2011, 09:29 AM
http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/1a/7b/409fb572456da2fbd0a183d327a0.jpeg



The CSA logo is a disaster.
The umbro logo stands out more than the CSA ink splash.

Safe to say I'll continue to wear my adidas red.

CSA had one option for kit sponsorship; umbro had no compettition, and it shows.

Sullivan
01-25-2011, 09:31 AM
Mornin'

SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)
No tattoos, how refreshing.

boban
01-25-2011, 09:38 AM
No tattoos, how refreshing.
Tell me about it.
It's tough today to find a girl without tats.

Fort York Redcoat
01-25-2011, 09:39 AM
http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/1a/7b/409fb572456da2fbd0a183d327a0.jpeg



The CSA logo is a disaster.
The umbro logo stands out more than the CSA ink splash.

Safe to say I'll continue to wear my adidas red.

CSA had one option for kit sponsorship; umbro had no compettition, and it shows.

Are we saying that because there was no competition they purposely designed the kit lazily, shabbily? Nonsense. The design is different and although not everyone's cup of tea but it should be said that that same kit that you are going to wear instead was lambasted when IT was unveiled.

It seems to me unless the design is anything but simple and plain there will be overwhelming complaining over it

menefreghista
01-25-2011, 09:43 AM
It seems to me unless the design is anything but simple and plain there will be overwhelming complaining over it

Although I personally prefer a simple design when it comes to jerseys, you know people would have complained if it was just the team colour and the Umbro crest and the Canada crest.

People want something different and that is what they got.

Sullivan
01-25-2011, 10:12 AM
Are we saying that because there was no competition they purposely designed the kit lazily, shabbily? Nonsense.

Not exactly.
umbro did nothing unique for the CSA. CSA selected a style from the samples of existing umbro designs in CSA colours. CSA didn't speck design options, just colours.



The design is different and although not everyone's cup of tea but it should be said that that same kit that you are going to wear instead was lambasted when IT was unveiled.


In your view, the design is different.
In my view the design is rather common - nothing new, not very creative, dated!



It seems to me unless the design is anything but simple and plain there will be overwhelming complaining over it

What's presented, again my opinion, lacks imagination.

And I agree about the adidas shirt, it also lacked imagination (much like the folks at the CSA), but the shirt was a gift.



Why couldn't the CSA take a page from TFC's book (TFC competition to design the 3rd kit), Pretty sure the CSA would have been overwhelmed with responses and options.

Too bad CSA doesn't have any visionaries.....

Yagbod
01-25-2011, 10:14 AM
Training Camp starts today!!!

:drum::flare::scarf::flare::drum:

Redcoe15
01-25-2011, 10:22 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/574994-commercial-success-the-simple-solution-that-could-save-mls

This is laughable. Another idiot who thinks he has the answer to make MLS a success.

scooterTFC
01-25-2011, 10:29 AM
I think Sullivan's point was about the CSA logo treatment is valid feedback. Regardless of whether you like or hate the chevrons I think most people will agree the CSA logo treatment is bad. Its almost funny when you see that the Umbro logo has been properaly adapted with a solid internal background, making in more obvious that little effort was put into the application of the CSA logo.


I've worked in marketing for 20 years and there's absolutely no way I would let a logo for a brand that I manage be applied or used in this way. The logo should be placed in front of a solid, single color background without any lines runnning through it.

One advantage of the design is that federation logo's aren't allowed on kits in Olympic competition so the the chevrons create some team identity outside of the logo for that competition.

The logo could be fixed really easily, simply applying the logo mounted on a a circular crest with solid black/white/red backround instead of embroidery stiching the logo directly on the jersey.

I hated the chevrons at first but upon further review I think they are probably going to be seen a pretty cool over the next few years. They just need to tweek the logo and all will be cool.

Fort York Redcoat
01-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Why couldn't the CSA take a page from TFC's book (TFC competition to design the 3rd kit), Pretty sure the CSA would have been overwhelmed with responses and options.



Agreed. This suggestion is far more constructive.

Fort York Redcoat
01-25-2011, 10:44 AM
I think Sullivan's point was about the CSA logo treatment is valid feedback. Regardless of whether you like or hate the chevrons I think most people will agree the CSA logo treatment is bad. Its almost funny when you see that the Umbro logo has been properaly adapted with a solid internal background, making in more obvious that little effort was put into the application of the CSA logo.


I've worked in marketing for 20 years and there's absolutely no way I would let a logo for a brand that I manage be applied or used in this way. The logo should be placed in front of a solid, single color background without any lines runnning through it.

One advantage of the design is that federation logo's aren't allowed on kits in Olympic competition so the the chevrons create some team identity outside of the logo for that competition.

The logo could be fixed really easily, simply applying the logo mounted on a a circular crest with solid black/white/red backround instead of embroidery stiching the logo directly on the jersey.

I hated the chevrons at first but upon further review I think they are probably going to be seen a pretty cool over the next few years. They just need to tweek the logo and all will be cool.

Woah. Well said. Give the crest a background of its own and maybe a border around it and we're good to go for Gold Cup!!!

tictoc
01-25-2011, 11:46 AM
Not sure if this is the best place for this but the CSA site has a photo of the new kit on their language select page. It looks better when actually being worn by someone.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/

Roogsy
01-25-2011, 11:49 AM
Awful kit. I have been wanting to buy a new Canada kit for some time, this new one has completely turned me off and I will opt out.

Carts
01-25-2011, 11:57 AM
Awful kit. I have been wanting to buy a new Canada kit for some time, this new one has completely turned me off and I will opt out.

+1... Wanted to get one, will 100% never buy this one...

Sullivan is spot on. The CSA logo is lost, Umbro stands out...

These guys can't get anything right - except having Kara there, she's the best part of the unveiling...

Carts...

Roogsy
01-25-2011, 12:06 PM
I know that it seems like it's just an other reason to bitch at the CSA, but in truth, they give us reason to.

I have been wanting to buy the kit of the last several years for some time now and have not been able to find a single one. Even if the kit was on it's way out, why would the CSA pass on generating revenue from it in the meantime until the new kit comes out? That is just bad business.

I knew there was going to be a new kit coming out so I thought "Hey, if I can't buy the old one I will get a new one" and low and behold it's one of the ugliest kits Canada has ever donned. No thanks. I will wear my TFC red to the national games.

anonymiss
01-25-2011, 12:07 PM
Not sure if this is the best place for this but the CSA site has a photo of the new kit on their language select page. It looks better when actually being worn by someone.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/

They do look better when being worn by someone... but they're still ugly. I think the white one will grow on me, but the red is just.. ugh. I had been looking forward to getting a jersey, but now it seems I'll just stick to my scarves and t-shirts.

Oh well, at least the pre-season has *finally* begun. No more TFC withdrawl :D.

Whoop
01-25-2011, 12:07 PM
I found the Canada jersey easy to find in Toronto.
Even though I own one, I wasn't a huge fan of the adidas jersey either. The white one was okay.

Roogsy
01-25-2011, 12:08 PM
I found the Canada jersey easy to find in Toronto.
Even though I own one, I wasn't a huge fan of the adidas jersey either. The white one was okay.


Really? Where. I went online. I went to stores. The only ones I ever found were junior sizes. They definitely didn't have them at the national team games.

Darlofletch
01-25-2011, 12:11 PM
adidas store at yonge and dundas always seemed to have them in? Not sure about last few months, how long have you been looking?

Whoop
01-25-2011, 12:13 PM
adidas store (Yonge/Dundas) always had some stock. They had tonnes the week leading up to the Jamaica match.

The stores on Yonge had a couple.

The adidas outlet in Vaughan had some.

Once they phased them out I even came across a tonne of them at the adidas outlet store in Kingston.

But yeah, they weren't as readily available as (insert World Cup favourite teams).

Darlofletch
01-25-2011, 12:14 PM
The new one's growing on me. I'd say I'm up to 50/50 on whether to buy it or not. I was at 100% before it was unveiled, then dipped close to 0, thinking maybe I'd go for the white one instead. Now though, It's back to being a possibility. If it was a darker shade of red, I'd probably committ.

Whoop
01-25-2011, 12:14 PM
I found the biggest issue not the stock of the jersey but finding a place if you wanted printing done.

Roogsy
01-25-2011, 12:15 PM
adidas store at yonge and dundas always seemed to have them in? Not sure about last few months, how long have you been looking?


A couple of years now.

I was in the Adidas store with Rooney right before the World Cup and found everything but the CMNT kit.

I may just have bad luck.

Whoop
01-25-2011, 12:16 PM
I'd likely get the white one.

Like I said, even if it proves to be unpopular at least it will have some kitsch factor.

I mean it's not as ugly as some jerseys you'd find here.

http://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/

hodgkiss
01-25-2011, 12:17 PM
horrid jersey. another fail by csa.
you have to admit, they are consistent with failing...

you have to question if they did any research to come up with something that is offensive to so many people... if the csa hired umbro to help with marketing csa products as well, they have taken a step backward.

ManUtd4ever
01-25-2011, 12:17 PM
Not sure if this is the best place for this but the CSA site has a photo of the new kit on their language select page. It looks better when actually being worn by someone.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/

Kara Lang is so delicious...

Detroit_TFC
01-25-2011, 12:32 PM
The red and black unis make them look like waiters.

levyashin
01-25-2011, 12:37 PM
:drum:breaking news from the malta times;brazilian CAMILO signs for TFC check wikipedia.scored 24 goals for somebody last year.

Oldtimer
01-25-2011, 01:10 PM
:drum:breaking news from the malta times;brazilian CAMILO signs for TFC check wikipedia.scored 24 goals for somebody last year.

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26102&page=2

probably is just a trial.

TFCRegina
01-25-2011, 01:27 PM
Awful kit. I have been wanting to buy a new Canada kit for some time, this new one has completely turned me off and I will opt out.

Don't be so quick to judge. Looks significantly better with people in them.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/images/splashpages/20110125_Umbro_Athletes1_no.jpg

Platts
01-25-2011, 01:43 PM
Get THE BLACK OFF THE UNIFORM

at least it doesn't have a little cartoon picture of a player like the damn hockey jerseys

TFCRegina
01-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Get THE BLACK OFF THE UNIFORM

at least it doesn't have a little cartoon picture of a player like the damn hockey jerseys

Black isn't so bad. It'd look much better if it was Crimson Red instead of that bright red i associate with sports cars.

Serb_Star
01-25-2011, 02:00 PM
Can anyone confirm that these aren't recycled Trinidad and Tobago uniforms? The Northern Soca Warriors!

shwade
01-25-2011, 06:29 PM
http://www.thestar.com/article/927998--kelly-sitting-down-with-aron-winter

swag football

boban
01-25-2011, 07:01 PM
Black isn't so bad. It'd look much better if it was Crimson Red instead of that bright red i associate with sports cars.
Yeah it is. I am sick of it. has nothing to do with our country or federation.
Blue I can see. Get rid of the black shorts please.

boban
01-25-2011, 07:05 PM
http://www.thestar.com/article/927998--kelly-sitting-down-with-aron-winter
2nd DP coming
:flare::flare::flare:

boban
01-25-2011, 07:08 PM
http://www.canadasoccer.com/images/splashpages/20110125_Umbro_Athletes1_no.jpg
WTF fuck is that on her arm!!!!!

jloome
01-25-2011, 07:08 PM
Klinsmann to Hoffenheim, maybe:

http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/transfermarkt/tsg-hoffenheim-klinsmann-trainer-auf-abruf-fur-hopps-buisnessmodell_16509

razor787
01-25-2011, 07:13 PM
This is topic #1 EVERYtime I visit L&M Taylor (my soccer shop). . . FINALLY some movement. . Chevrons? umm. . . . . I dont like them, too Mancky. . . . . . but. its progress.

http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/1a/7b/409fb572456da2fbd0a183d327a0.jpeg

Umbro was unveiled as a major new sponsor for the Canadian Soccer Association's Men's National Team last night in Toronto


I love L&M. I buy all my football wares there. The rest of that mall is really dirty/scuzzy though

Agreed about the chevrons. I think that if on the white shirt its a plain red one, and a plain white one on the red one. Would look somewhat ok, but still wouldnt look great.

ensco
01-25-2011, 07:48 PM
That Klinsy to Hoffenheim story has an interesting line in it: "The Hoffenheim model is more appreciated outside Germany than in Germany itself. For what [team owner] Hopp has done, he would be knighted in England."

J .
01-25-2011, 09:21 PM
Winter sounds a lot like Mo. Full of bluster but its nice the new TFC front office can talk out of two mouths, Winter and Mariner instead of one.

One asks for patience, the other declares playoffs.

We'll see.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-25-2011, 09:27 PM
if im not mistaken both have declared that playoffs would be unrealistic this year in earlier interviews

J .
01-25-2011, 09:34 PM
if im not mistaken both have declared that playoffs would be unrealistic this year in earlier interviews


You would be

Regardless of the personnel, Winter doesn’t view his preoccupation with fluid tactics as an impediment to winning. Nor is he gun-shy about making pronouncements. Asked what will constitute a success here in Toronto, he says playoffs this year and a championship within the three-year run of his contract.

http://www.thestar.com/article/927998--kelly-sitting-down-with-aron-winter

2/3rd of the way down

denime
01-25-2011, 09:40 PM
http://www.thestar.com/article/927998--kelly-sitting-down-with-aron-winter

swag football

THIS IS SO TRUE :facepalm:


A few years ago, the technical director of Ajax’s famed youth academy, De Toekomst (The Future), rolled through town assessing the strength of select local grade-school players.

He identified the key fault in Canada’s developmental system.


“Parents here want to win,” Patrick Ladru said, shaking his head sadly. “Winning is not important.”
and this was in 2005 when SAAC academy 'Sigma' had Ajax ID camp.

Interview and video with Patrick Lardu (http://www.sigma-sports.net/idCamp/media.html)

Oldtimer
01-25-2011, 09:45 PM
Winter sounds a lot like Mo. Full of bluster but its nice the new TFC front office can talk out of two mouths, Winter and Mariner instead of one.

One asks for patience, the other declares playoffs.

We'll see.

He doesn't sound like Mo at all to me.

Neither does he sound like Preki.

He sounds just like himself.

J .
01-25-2011, 09:57 PM
He doesn't sound like Mo at all to me.

Neither does he sound like Preki.

He sounds just like himself.


The bluster does.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-25-2011, 10:02 PM
“But we know we cannot develop this right away. We will have to go slowly,” Winter said. “Of course we have to have the players who can play that style. Right now we want to assess the positions where we have to be better.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2011/01/06/16790931.html

hardly blustering Mo Style

J .
01-25-2011, 10:06 PM
I think people are forgetting a lot in favour of trying to be optimistic. A lot of the same things are being said that Mo said and now Winter and Mariner are now saying.

Playoffs now, but it will take time to develop. That was fed to us for four years.

Anyway, we will see. I hope they get results.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-25-2011, 10:10 PM
yep we are because the team is being led by people with good track records and alot of promise. cheer up.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-25-2011, 10:11 PM
if you read most comments people are expecting a slow start and looking for gradual progress as thats whats most reasonable

ManUtd4ever
01-25-2011, 10:17 PM
It will be very interesting to watch his plan develop over time...



“The most important thing for me is that this club wants to change how they play soccer from the other MLS teams. That’s the real challenge,” Winter said.

Before taking the job, Winter watched a season’s worth of Toronto games back in Amsterdam. What’d he think?

“The way they were playing, it’s really that old-style English soccer that’s really on high speed — kick and rush soccer,” said Winter, and here his lip curled slightly.

“That I don’t like.”

While insisting that there is sufficient quality in the side already — or insufficient evidence of a lack thereof — Winter is giving off all the indicators of a shakeup to come.

Serb_Star
01-25-2011, 10:25 PM
"Before taking the job, Winter watched a season’s worth of Toronto games back in Amsterdam"

Poor guy why would he put himself through such torture:jaw:

J .
01-25-2011, 10:39 PM
It will be very interesting to watch his plan develop over time...


Ideally it could transform Canadian football in a way or he could be Ruud Gillet.

The NT really could use players schooled technically from a young age as already many of our players are physically strong, just not developed properly.

He may not like the English style, but unless he can get the talent in to play his method... well there is a reason a league like MLS plays a certain way generally speaking and thats because you can usually have 2-3, maybe 4 skilled guys and the rest are more like Gargan or LaBroccas. From what I gather he wants more technical ability all around. Im concerned that wont fit with our backline of Cann and Attakora. Attakora still has room to develop, but Cann is pretty one dimensional, very very strong in the air, but weak defending against the dribble.

Darlofletch
01-25-2011, 11:40 PM
Ideally it could transform Canadian football in a way or he could be Ruud Gillet.

The NT really could use players schooled technically from a young age as already many of our players are physically strong, just not developed properly.

He may not like the English style, but unless he can get the talent in to play his method... well there is a reason a league like MLS plays a certain way generally speaking and thats because you can usually have 2-3, maybe 4 skilled guys and the rest are more like Gargan or LaBroccas. From what I gather he wants more technical ability all around. Im concerned that wont fit with our backline of Cann and Attakora. Attakora still has room to develop, but Cann is pretty one dimensional, very very strong in the air, but weak defending against the dribble.

That's what worries me, I read about what he's looking to do in the long term, and I have little doubt he'd be great for the academy and the players coming through it.

In the short term though, as a head coach, I think he's going to be quite frustrated by the skill level he's inherited and will be able to afford within the salary cap. Talking of completely changing the style, I can't help but think it's going to be a really tough year when he comes up against reality.

Let's not forget, neither he or De Klerk has any experience as a head coach, obviously youth/reserve experience with ajax is a step up from Carver and Cummins' youth/reserve experience with newcastle and Watford, but he's still untested. At this stage, we've got to go on blind faith. I want it to work, I really do, but my blind faith reserves are severely depleted.

Roogsy
01-26-2011, 12:09 AM
Ideally it could transform Canadian football in a way or he could be Ruud Gillet.

The NT really could use players schooled technically from a young age as already many of our players are physically strong, just not developed properly.

He may not like the English style, but unless he can get the talent in to play his method... well there is a reason a league like MLS plays a certain way generally speaking and thats because you can usually have 2-3, maybe 4 skilled guys and the rest are more like Gargan or LaBroccas. From what I gather he wants more technical ability all around. Im concerned that wont fit with our backline of Cann and Attakora. Attakora still has room to develop, but Cann is pretty one dimensional, very very strong in the air, but weak defending against the dribble.

Agreed. In fact, the problem with the desire to have this new football style is that it will expose the real liabilities of our defenders. There is a reason they weren't even making the MLS average...they are physically gifted but technically lacking. Nobody on our backline can be looked at technically skilled enough to fit into this Winter-led squad...yet. Let's hope he can bring them up to speed sooner rather than later.