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Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:20 PM
it was good to have you. Good luck in LA

Oblio2
01-13-2011, 12:21 PM
I really liked Chad...will miss that Little Shrek.


GL.

romburgundy
01-13-2011, 12:21 PM
Good Luck Chad.
Your hard work and great work ethinc will be missed!
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/05/30/barrett_chad_big_381.jpg

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:21 PM
oh yeah, http://www.torontofc.ca/node/5583

Good luck to you Chad.

Fort York Redcoat
01-13-2011, 12:22 PM
Can't say good luck Chad but Thanks for your time here and all your efforts to improve this team. I was hoping to see you in my red for years to come but the league's the league.

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:23 PM
and we never got to sing this properly...

G-PQbdmQRwc

flatpicker
01-13-2011, 12:24 PM
Thanks for your hard work Chad.

I sure hope management is working really hard at finding strikers right now!!!!
For a team that is supposed to employ an attacking game this year, we sure are short on guys up front.

BeerBaron95
01-13-2011, 12:24 PM
I don't like or understand this move at all.

Held on to him while he slumped and got rid of him after a decent year.

MG42
01-13-2011, 12:25 PM
I can't believe someone took that contract!

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:27 PM
well for the first time in a LONG time....

I think this might be part of a bigger plan, not just a random shuffle

MG42
01-13-2011, 12:28 PM
Ives saying TFC on the hook for part of contract

Azerban
01-13-2011, 12:28 PM
I can't believe someone took that contract!

we're paying for it

fucking punked

daner90
01-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Wow it is going to be cheap to send like 10 guys to Turkey to train lol.

Sorry to see Chad go, he was such a no BS player who would always give it his all and expected a lot from himself.

Carts
01-13-2011, 12:29 PM
I can't believe someone took that contract!

After seeing Cunny EXPLODE after we dumped him - I'd take any TFC "struggling scorer" at almost any price...

rocker
01-13-2011, 12:29 PM
wasn't he rumoured to have a bump up in contract salary to 300K this year?

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:30 PM
we're paying for it

fucking punked


it's common in the league. We kept paying Robbo after he left, and I think that SJ was still paying Garcia when he was here.

flatpicker
01-13-2011, 12:30 PM
I guess LA sees this a way of making up for losing Buddle?

Toronto really does seem to be starting from scratch this year.
Which is fine by me if they have a good plan.

DangerRed
01-13-2011, 12:31 PM
Great player, great heart with average strike rate. Loved him, will hate him now on the other side.

brad
01-13-2011, 12:31 PM
I can't believe someone took that contract!

Ives says he's heard we'll be eating a good chunk of his salary...

Shway
01-13-2011, 12:31 PM
I don't like or understand this move at all.

Held on to him while he slumped and got rid of him after a decent year.

Not impressed at all either

toronto has no core!!!

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:31 PM
wasn't he rumoured to have a bump up in contract salary to 300K this year?


something like that. He was an expensive player, but his work rate was high.

Like I said before, for the first time, I can put some faith in the management's decision making, even if I don't fully understand their reasoning.

Yohan
01-13-2011, 12:31 PM
I'm going to miss Barrett. If all TFC players gave it all like Chad does on the field, our team would be so much better.

I'll never forget his wonder strike vs Mtl at BMO or the game winning goal for first NCC at Saputo.

Wishing him all the best

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/98968611.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5C8644F0936903B64 A05BF43E952DC40B2EBE7E72130329B9E30A760B0D811297

ManUtd4ever
01-13-2011, 12:32 PM
I'll try to reserve judgment until Barrett's replacement is identified but my initial reaction to this trade is definitely one of disappointment. For all of his criticisms of a lack of a finishing touch, Chad scored some of the most significant goals in TFC history and was a workhorse on the pitch...

Redcoe15
01-13-2011, 12:33 PM
So long, Chad Fucking Barrett. :) You may have been frustrating to watch at times, trying to put the ball into the onion sack. But no one can ever doubt you worked your ass off on the pitch. And you showed you cared. Best of luck to you in L.A. (except against TFC ;)).

I hope the front office can find some strikers.

TFCRegina
01-13-2011, 12:33 PM
we're paying for it

fucking punked

FAIL.

Hopefully it's only for one year.

Azerban
01-13-2011, 12:34 PM
it's common

so is herpes

shaggingscot
01-13-2011, 12:35 PM
That's too bad, always thought a good coach could've made a decent winger out of him.

BeerBaron95
01-13-2011, 12:35 PM
I'll try to reserve judgment until Barrett's replacement is identified but my initial reaction to this trade is definitely one of disappointment. For all of his criticisms of a lack of a finishing touch, Chad scored some of the most significant goals in TFC history and was a workhorse on the pitch...

unless its RVN i dont give a shit and wont reserve my judgment
:flare:

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 12:36 PM
so is herpes



bitch said I gave her crabs,

I was like "You ordered crabs, lobster AND the shrimp cocktail. I paid for the whole thing!"

Ageroo
01-13-2011, 12:37 PM
FAIL.

Hopefully it's only for one year.

I thought allocation coming from LA....wouldn't that offset the hit?

Mark in Ottawa
01-13-2011, 12:39 PM
Great player, great heart with average strike rate. Loved him, will hate him now on the other side.
Will cheer him loudly the first time he is introduced upon return to BMO.
5 seconds later... He is one of THEM!

I do wish him luck against everyone but TFC :)

DangerRed
01-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Will cheer him loudly the first time he is introduced upon return to BMO.
5 seconds later... He is one of THEM!

I do wish him luck against everyone but TFC :)

Guess I should change my avatar picture..

jloome
01-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Great work ethic while he was here.

Serb_Star
01-13-2011, 12:43 PM
Always liked him as a person but he was frustrating to watch and more than once his horrible misses drove me to do bad things.

Red Rat
01-13-2011, 12:45 PM
this thread your read So Long Chad and DeRo!

rocker
01-13-2011, 12:47 PM
good guy, great effort level. I think he was criticized too much, when his stats were actually pretty good. I once did a comparison whereby his scoring rate/efficiency and SOG rate were almost the same as Dichio.

He turns 26 next season and might be finally mature/experienced enough to take it to the next level.

I'll judge the move when I see who is his replacement. I trust Mariner has something in the works....

nobodybeatsthewiz
01-13-2011, 12:47 PM
^ huh? haha

see ya, chad. i hope winter and the brass' footprint translates into more goals instead of barrett's hard-worked misses.

Detroit_TFC
01-13-2011, 12:49 PM
Paul B tweets that Ives doesn't have the right details on trade. Stay tuned.

mastermixer
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
Paul B tweets that Ives doesn't have the right details on trade. Stay tuned.

“We made this move to give us more flexibility in building our squad for the new season. This creates more cap space which will help us create a team capable of playing the style of soccer we are looking for.” - Aron Winter

Roogsy
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
I don't like or understand this move at all.

Held on to him while he slumped and got rid of him after a decent year.


He wasn't moved for anything other than his salary cost to the team. He made $200k last year and I am pretty sure this year was going to be substantially more.

With Buddle gone in LA, he may get some playing time and he is on the west coast which is where he is from. I think this move helps both parties.

You never know, he may turn out to be one of those players that do better elsewhere than while they were at TFC.

billyfly
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
He looked like Wayne Rooney and suffered from leg cramps. Other than that, what was he to TFC?

I'll miss him b/c I thought he was a good guy but I need WINS.

jloome
01-13-2011, 12:53 PM
He looked like Wayne Rooney and suffered from leg cramps. Other than that, what was he to TFC?

I'll miss him b/c I thought he was a good guy but I need WINS.

He scored seven goals last year despite missing about a third of the season with injuries. But too expensive for his rate of return, for sure.

DangerRed
01-13-2011, 12:54 PM
^7 goals last season. Decent for an MLS forward and call me silly, but I really had respect for him as he never stopped working for a moment when he was playing. That said, not worth $300K or however much he was going to get in 2011 from us.

BeerBaron95
01-13-2011, 12:56 PM
He wasn't moved for anything other than his salary cost to the team. He made $200k last year and I am pretty sure this year was going to be substantially more.

With Buddle gone in LA, he may get some playing time and he is on the west coast which is where he is from. I think this move helps both parties.

You never know, he may turn out to be one of those players that do better elsewhere than while they were at TFC.

This should be avoided.. catch my drift viejo ;)

DangerRed
01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
“We made this move to give us more flexibility in building our squad for the new season. This creates more cap space which will help us create a team capable of playing the style of soccer we are looking for.” - Aron Winter

Waggy
01-13-2011, 12:58 PM
Best of luck to Chad. He may have occasionally been frustrating to watch around the net but his work ethic was beyond reproach and that's something I really appreciated. I'm not terribly upset to see him go- I don't think anyone could say our current offensive attack was good enough, but I will miss having him around. All the best in LA.


And 2nd to Parkys comments. I have faith in this brain trust that they're doing something that's part of the long term (or even short term) plan here.

billyfly
01-13-2011, 12:58 PM
He scored seven goals last year despite missing about a third of the season with injuries. But too expensive for his rate of return, for sure.


And that's what I mean. Bill Belichick style from now on.

ManUtd4ever
01-13-2011, 01:00 PM
He wasn't moved for anything other than his salary cost to the team. He made $200k last year and I am pretty sure this year was going to be substantially more.

With Buddle gone in LA, he may get some playing time and he is on the west coast which is where he is from. I think this move helps both parties.

You never know, he may turn out to be one of those players that do better elsewhere than while they were at TFC.

This is the key. If Barrett's salary was slated to increase to 250K-300K for the next 2 years then the trade could be justified. The cap space could be utilized for a more prolific scorer...

BuSaPuNk
01-13-2011, 01:00 PM
Too bad to hear. I hope Chad does well in LA. He gave it his all for us everygame. You will get a good oviation when you come back.

gunnerken
01-13-2011, 01:05 PM
Oh well...no more need to "grin and Barr-ett"...as was often the case with Chad...

stugautz
01-13-2011, 01:05 PM
He was really turning the corner last year. I'll be sad to see him go, by far the best work rate on the team. The guy never gave up. You can't find too many players like that.

Lucky Strike
01-13-2011, 01:07 PM
It's a real shame - was a good player for us. But it sounds like it's all about clearing cap space which makes sense, even if it hurts a little inside. Had he been healthy all of last season, he'd have bagged what, 10-12 goals? For 212K (his salary last year), that was a good return. If rumours of his increase in salary are true, to something like 300K, that's a little much. I don't recall that increase ever being talked about beyond just "I heard that..." in the past few months.

Shakes McQueen
01-13-2011, 01:07 PM
Worked hard, loved the city, was passionate on the pitch (sometimes to a fault), and scored lots of big goals for the team.

He was never quite what the team needed, but I appreciate everything he did here. And I will definitely cheer him when he returns to Toronto - for a few minutes.

- Scott

Gazza
01-13-2011, 01:08 PM
I became a big fan of his last year. I'm sure he'll do well in LA. I won't wish him luck though, we need all of the luck we can handle here in Toronto. I wish him good Karma.

manic.street.preacher
01-13-2011, 01:09 PM
not well pleased about this, but it's shame about the circumstances of his contract ... i've always liked Chad and appreciated his work ethic and passion. best of luck to him.

scooter
01-13-2011, 01:10 PM
sad to see him go but its time to move on lets hope our trust in the new management team pays off

Ossington Mental Youth
01-13-2011, 01:11 PM
can never doubt his effort or his love for the badge. Take care buddy and good luck!

Super Cereal
01-13-2011, 01:11 PM
Damn, I liked Barrett.

Ah well, hopefully there's more to come.

Suds
01-13-2011, 01:12 PM
So what did we get? Or is this just another move to clear cap space?

Lucky Strike
01-13-2011, 01:13 PM
One more thing about Barrett: has there ever been a more awesome celebration in the history of TFC than his 21-gun salute with the corner flag?

Darlofletch
01-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Worked hard, loved the city, was passionate on the pitch (sometimes to a fault), and scored lots of big goals for the team.

He was never quite what the team needed, but I appreciate everything he did here. And I will definitely cheer him when he returns to Toronto - for a few minutes.

- Scott

agree with pretty much all that.

Hopefully the cap space and allocation money is used well.

Darlofletch
01-13-2011, 01:15 PM
I'm in 227, I'll miss him scoring at the north end and running to that corner to celebrate.

peterboroughtfcfan
01-13-2011, 01:16 PM
One more thing about Barrett: has there ever been a more awesome celebration in the history of TFC than his 21-gun salute with the corner flag?


Yes, Dichio kicking the corner flag in year 2, or Dero grabbing the game ball and sprinting back to half when we went up 4-1 against MTL in 1st V-Cup victory.

peterboroughtfcfan
01-13-2011, 01:17 PM
Wouldn't Barrett have been a perfect fit for the ajax formation? He works hard off the wing, tracks back, can sub in for a winger at times. How does this move make sense formationally?

I suppose they feel they can get a cheaper version of that elsewhere. Still, very sad. I liked Chad.

Darlofletch
01-13-2011, 01:19 PM
5gpts_etejw

This was awesome. Chad Fucking barrett! at his finest.

deltox
01-13-2011, 01:24 PM
i know im late to the party here...but who did we get to play as forwards instead of Mista, Barrett and White?

TFCRegina
01-13-2011, 01:30 PM
Asif says he thinks the Barrett move is strictly a salary dump, so there's a real possibility that Ives is wrong.

JonO
01-13-2011, 01:34 PM
agree with pretty much all that.

Hopefully the cap space and allocation money is used well.
Me too!

He is a great guy who will be missed, but such is the league he plays in

Dave67
01-13-2011, 01:37 PM
Easily the only current player who loved this team as much as we do. Thanks Chad and good luck.

legia_tfc
01-13-2011, 01:38 PM
thanks THE CHAD!
gl in LA

Gazza_55
01-13-2011, 01:45 PM
^7 goals last season. Decent for an MLS forward and call me silly, but I really had respect for him as he never stopped working for a moment when he was playing. That said, not worth $300K or however much he was going to get in 2011 from us.

Agreed. And seriously who the hell is going to pay Chad Barrett $300k? He is way overpaid at $200k

Pachuco
01-13-2011, 02:04 PM
Sad to see Chad go. But for now I have faith that Winter and company know what they are doing. I predict Chad Barrett has a breakout year with L.A. I think he was on the virge of one last year until his injury.

Yohan
01-13-2011, 02:11 PM
Sad to see Chad go. But for now I have faith that Winter and company know what they are doing. I predict Chad Barrett has a breakout year with L.A. I think he was on the virge of one last year until his injury.
I'm going to bet Barrett will score min 10 in LA, if he gets starter mins. And he should, barring LA signing some strikers. Service from Donovan and Becks if he does manage to stay injury free means Barrett will get helluva lot more chances than he had with TFC last season.

billyfly
01-13-2011, 02:13 PM
And he scored the 5th MTL goal off his face.

Roogsy
01-13-2011, 02:14 PM
Sad to see Chad go. But for now I have faith that Winter and company know what they are doing. I predict Chad Barrett has a breakout year with L.A. I think he was on the virge of one last year until his injury.


With all the names being bandied about (all of them forwards) that TFC are looking at it is quite apparent Winter & Co are making this a focus. I don't think they've released Chad without a plan.


I'm going to bet Barrett will score min 10 in LA, if he gets starter mins. And he should, barring LA signing some strikers. Service from Donovan and Becks if he does manage to stay injury free means Barrett will get helluva lot more chances than he had with TFC last season.

I do think he will do better. Especially with consistent management like Arena provides, something he never enjoyed at TFC. However, I would guess the effect of Goldenballs will be minimal. It would seem Beckham's commitment to MLS has run it's course.

Wull
01-13-2011, 02:17 PM
He managed to shut me up last season so all the best to him. Too expensive to keep around but as has been said, work ethic and character never in doubt. He'll get a deservedly warm welcome his first time back I'm sure

Auzzy
01-13-2011, 02:18 PM
I hope Chad does well in LA, shoots them into the final, and then misses a couple of sitters as we win the Cup. (Wishful thinking, I know...)

Technorgasm
01-13-2011, 02:20 PM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VJHUExlygEg/RhfzxxeWR4I/AAAAAAAAAnY/rUzp1IzBRCQ/is-it-the-chad.jpg

Oldtimer
01-13-2011, 02:27 PM
It would seem Beckham's commitment to MLS has run it's course.

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/iofoto/iofoto0711/iofoto071100539/2029855-rocking-chair-on-porch-with-railing-overlooking-beach-at-bald-head-island-north-carolina.jpg

Miss Jones
01-13-2011, 02:28 PM
Will really miss Chad.
What a great guy and played so hard.
Will have to frame my Barrett jersey now.
Wish you well for LA, except again TFC

trane
01-13-2011, 02:33 PM
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/iofoto/iofoto0711/iofoto071100539/2029855-rocking-chair-on-porch-with-railing-overlooking-beach-at-bald-head-island-north-carolina.jpg


Is that what Tottenham looks like?

I am surprised, but when you think about it, it makes some sense, he was never the fitesst out there, he always seemed to be a 70 minute player, that is not something Winter would be looking for, and with Budle gone, LA needs strikers.

I thought he had finaly found the consistent finish, and would have been great as a wide forward in the 4-3-3.

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 02:35 PM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VJHUExlygEg/RhfzxxeWR4I/AAAAAAAAAnY/rUzp1IzBRCQ/is-it-the-chad.jpg



it definitely IS the Chad.

s2cazz
01-13-2011, 02:35 PM
Sorry I called you Bad Charrett... Although you kind of deserved it at first.
Good player and will be missed....

But life goes on... Fuck LA

Whoop
01-13-2011, 02:40 PM
I'll miss his work ethic and he was a good guy.

But at his price tag, he wasn't worth it.

Best of luck in LA.

Parkdale
01-13-2011, 02:41 PM
banner for next year?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sHB-X1i5MOU/SKIH1_P7gCI/AAAAAAAAAWY/b7t-bPpashA/s400/florida_hanging_chad_recount.jpg

mastermixer
01-13-2011, 02:53 PM
I guess he didnt fit the 'Total Football' that Winter wants, whether you want to agree or not he was a bit of a poacher.

Which also leads me to believe that DeRo might be in the same boat... not exacly a prototypical team player either.

Naturegirl
01-13-2011, 03:03 PM
Absolutely gutted. I thought he would the total football theme real well. he loved this team and town to bits and we were just starting too see a player develop into his prime with great things to come.
I love chad and will miss him dearly. My favourite moment was watching him from the private box with TFC staff in Honduras score the tying goal against Motagua. Most nail biting game i have ever been too.

i will miss running into him on the streets of Charleston shopping and at the stadium.
Totally gutted.
All the best Chad! Kick some ass! except for ours :D

mastermixer
01-13-2011, 03:12 PM
Good luck to him.

I'm sure he won't be disappointed to play alongside Beckham, Donavan and Angel compared to Obrien White, Mista and Vitti.

Belfast_Boy
01-13-2011, 03:25 PM
good luck personally Chad, find a nice house and enjoy the weather. on the field I hope your whole team shits the bed and falls apart, nothing personal.

anto7
01-13-2011, 03:26 PM
Wouldn't Barrett have been a perfect fit for the ajax formation? He works hard off the wing, tracks back, can sub in for a winger at times. How does this move make sense formationally?

I suppose they feel they can get a cheaper version of that elsewhere. Still, very sad. I liked Chad.
Barrett's lack of ball control was embarrassing to watch at times, not sure that would fit too well with a possession orientated game.

Brooker
01-13-2011, 03:33 PM
Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Carter
01-13-2011, 03:48 PM
gutted...

Chad, Good Luck buddy.

Oldtimer
01-13-2011, 03:58 PM
At $200k + raise, he would never be value for the money. At $130k he would be great bench strength. I would have liked to keep him around. Thanks to Mo and another stupid contract, he won't be.

TFCRegina
01-13-2011, 04:17 PM
Too bad to see him go, but was not worth what we were paying him. And his salary was set to rise. It was the right move to get rid of him.

manic.street.preacher
01-13-2011, 04:18 PM
"They didn't like me at first but the fans came around. I really appreciated everything they did for me. The fact that they made me earn their love, it made it even sweeter when they did come around," Barrett said.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/01/13/sp-chad-barrett.html#ixzz1Ax7BpgLc

TFCDP
01-13-2011, 04:29 PM
I have no problem with this move.. I have faith in the management team (something i've never had before). Chad's work ethic will be missed but its time to move in a different direction.

Batman
01-13-2011, 04:33 PM
frankly, I'm sorry to see him go. He sure worked his tail off.

Stryker
01-13-2011, 04:33 PM
Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
About sums up my feelings.

jazzy
01-13-2011, 04:40 PM
good luck....there goes one guy who specifically wanted to help the younger guys....but it's LA and that ain't all bad.....imagine we could have sent him to hell, Columbus that is

JonO
01-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Barrett's lack of ball control was embarrassing to watch at times, not sure that would fit too well with a possession orientated game.I think his "lack of ball control" is dramatically overblown. He made many nice plays to control a difficult ball. Like many in the MLS, however, his problem is consistancy.

jazzy
01-13-2011, 04:44 PM
Wow it is going to be cheap to send like 10 guys to Turkey to train lol.

Sorry to see Chad go, he was such a no BS player who would always give it his all and expected a lot from himself.

again...lol preseason with the minimum, maybe it's arena ball

Belfast_Boy
01-13-2011, 04:47 PM
I think his "lack of ball control" is dramatically overblown. He made many nice plays to control a difficult ball. Like many in the MLS, however, his problem is consistancy.

I agree, he wasn't that bad. if he had a great first touch he'd be playing across the pond. keep in mind this is MLS. his work ethic was one of the best. gotta love a player that hates to be subed off.

Flipityflu
01-13-2011, 04:48 PM
damn it, i hate seeing players i like go. all the best chad. thanks.

BeachFC
01-13-2011, 04:55 PM
He will be missed. He definitley earned my admiration. Loved how hard he worked, loved it when he kissed the badge. I think he is going to do quite well in L.A., it seems like a good fit.

But, I think this is the right move based on style and salary. Seems like we have a plan. Just wish we had some players! Maybe, we could have waited until we had players to make this move?

If this was trader Mo it would be one of those situations where they thought they were going to get a certain player and then it doesn't pan out. Remember, when Mo traded away Tyrone Marshall only to be replaced by no one!

But, I'm optimistic about the new managment regime.

p.s. Winter, please bring over some quality dutch strikers ASAP.

smtavare
01-13-2011, 04:56 PM
Yet Deguzman is still here :picard:

Roogsy
01-13-2011, 04:56 PM
If this was trader Mo it would be one of those situations where they thought they were going to get a certain player and then it doesn't pan out. Remember, when Mo traded away Tyrone Marshall only to be replaced by no one!

My blood boils just thinking about it. I remember each one of Mo's screw-ups like it was yesterday. I remember railing about this particular move specifically.

jazzy
01-13-2011, 04:58 PM
and who is now going to have the balls to give a REAL half time interview...he just laughed when I thanked him for that.....and said I just had to tell it like it was.......I'll always give him the respect due

Yohan
01-13-2011, 04:59 PM
remember that Chad Barrett free kick against Colorado in year 2? from like 35 yrds away?

Ossington Mental Youth
01-13-2011, 05:00 PM
worst part was i defended it saying noone would be that stupid as to rid of a player and not have a better one lined up

Red Rat
01-13-2011, 05:03 PM
My blood boils just thinking about it. I remember each one of Mo's screw-ups like it was yesterday. I remember railing about this particular move specifically.
it was yesterday.

Mark TFC
01-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Popped on the computer at school a little earlier and saw the news. Chad had a great work ethic and I loved having him on our side.

All the best Chad!

lips
01-13-2011, 05:26 PM
Thanks Chad
Good luck in LA

ilikemusic
01-13-2011, 05:41 PM
Next to DeRo, Barrett was our best player last year (when healthy).

I really did come around to like him. Its a shame hes gone, but considering where this franchise is, there is nobody I am too gutted to see leave.

I wish him all the best!

SuperTCP
01-13-2011, 05:56 PM
Hard worker, kept trying, and got better (especially last year). Best of Luck in future Chad, enjoy LA!

Brooker
01-13-2011, 06:00 PM
remember that Chad Barrett free kick against Colorado in year 2? from like 35 yrds away?

I haven't seen a highlight of it since the day it happend. What a goal!

ag futbol
01-13-2011, 06:06 PM
At $200k + raise, he would never be value for the money. At $130k he would be great bench strength. I would have liked to keep him around. Thanks to Mo and another stupid contract, he won't be.
That's pretty much it.

This isn't nearly the tragedy it's being made out to be.

Alixir
01-13-2011, 06:07 PM
guarantee he comes back to score on us! And we will be paying for that goal.

Nerepis
01-13-2011, 06:25 PM
I'm sorry to see him go, in a sick sort of way, the fact that he missed sooo much made his goals so much more glorious. Cheers Chad.

dow117
01-13-2011, 06:41 PM
I am a little worried now about the management team's ability to spot heart and talent. With a litle work and confidence, Chad could have been a star in this League... he needed a good manager. To all those that spouted contact $$$ - who cares when you could have developed a real asset to a team....This is not a good move for TFC..

Suds
01-13-2011, 07:13 PM
Sucks to see him go. I was starting to feel Chad was finding his stride as a player in this league. Learning how to play within his own means.

I have no doubt he will continue to progress in LA

TFC USA
01-13-2011, 07:23 PM
I remember when I hated Barrett for being a donkey.

Now I miss him .:(

jloome
01-13-2011, 07:34 PM
I am a little worried now about the management team's ability to spot heart and talent. With a litle work and confidence, Chad could have been a star in this League... he needed a good manager. To all those that spouted contact $$$ - who cares when you could have developed a real asset to a team....This is not a good move for TFC..

But he's an unlikely risk to take for a rebuilding manager because of his cap hit. I agree on talent and work ethic, but his salary was enormous.

Pachuco
01-13-2011, 07:40 PM
I am a little worried now about the management team's ability to spot heart and talent. With a litle work and confidence, Chad could have been a star in this League... he needed a good manager. To all those that spouted contact $$$ - who cares when you could have developed a real asset to a team....This is not a good move for TFC..

Look, if we get some Hscanovic and Petersons to replace Barrett then I could see how you would think this isn't a good move. But at this point you have no idea where that 300K will take us. I think you have to sit on trades like these and decide whether it was a good trade or not once we see the plan develop. When Preki got rid of Brennan, Serioux and the rest of them I was thinking the man must obviously have a plan. It took me one game of watching Usa-useless and Hscanovic to know that it was a terrible move. But only at that point did I really start questioning the plan. I think it's only fair we give Winter a fare shake and see what he does with this money.

Oh, and I liked Barrett very much, never took part in the pilons that went on on this site when he wasn't producing. I definately think he has talent that someone may be able to squeeze out of him. And Bruce Arena may just be the right guy to do it. How ironic if he does with another ex-TFC striker.

v00d00daddy
01-13-2011, 07:51 PM
The love for Barrett around here amazes me.

Yes..he worked hard. That's really about it. Other than hard work he was more frustrating to watch than anything else.

Winter has come out and said:“This creates more cap space which will help us create a team capable of playing the style of soccer we are looking for.”

Sooooooo......he was too expensive and his playing style didn't fit in with the (presumably) new possession, skill based game.

Combine that with the fact that we got "future considerations" (see: nothing), and we may still be on the hook for some of his salary and what you have is an almost valueless player.

I'm glad he worked hard but I'm even more glad that our team now has higher standards than the game that Chad Barrett brought.

Good luck to him.

Good move by TFC.

J .
01-13-2011, 07:57 PM
Oh, and I liked Barrett very much, never took part in the pilons that went on on this site when he wasn't producing. I definately think he has talent that someone may be able to squeeze out of him. And Bruce Arena may just be the right guy to do it. How ironic if he does with another ex-TFC striker.


He was on pace for 15 goals until he got hurt and TFC's descent from mid table to useless began when Barrett when down. He was very important to the team and DeRo as he created space with his pace and diagonal runs.

Torontotonto
01-13-2011, 08:09 PM
Chad thanks for all your hard work, always putting in 100 % effort.
More than I can say for some other dead weight the have wore our kit.

Hate to see you go, Chad Barrett.
Good luck, Chad Barrett.
You'll always be Red, in my head.
But not once you put on the LA Gear instead.

Here's to you bud ... :drinking::drinking::drinking::canada:

It's understood TFC wanting to free up some salary cap space, however I'll wait and see what happens next before getting too excited about what they do with that money.

69Chevy396
01-13-2011, 08:41 PM
When Edu left the team, we lost a good player who would have been an mls star had mlse opened the bank to keep him. At the time all I heard from so many people was that he was over rated etc.....and he was never thought of again....now, we lose Barrett, a classic underachiever, an athlete whose physical makeup never seems to make up for his utter lack of soccer sense and creativity on the pitch. For every good goal or pass there were dozens of horrible misses, stupid decisions and indecisive plays that contributed to a team with a losing record. He was as much of the problem for the team as anybody else among the starters, so please be realistic with the evaluation of his contributions here.....hard work means shit when you cannot execute.

mdc 77
01-13-2011, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the hard work Chad.

Great deal to rid us of the cap hit.

ExiledRed
01-13-2011, 08:59 PM
I remember when I hated Barrett for being a donkey.

Now I miss him .:(

He misses you too

in fact he misses almost everything.

For 200k of the cap, the guy was a lemon, and his contract was a veritable ball and chain around every coach who managed him here.

Kooper
01-13-2011, 09:12 PM
I am going to miss him. Who am I going to criticise to my friends only to be proven wrong when he scores a cracker to win the game.

cmonyoureds
01-13-2011, 09:16 PM
we just traded our best winger, who was really a striker, and got nothing in return?
good thing they got everyone to renew before really starting the "plan". do we even have 11 under contract anymore?
gonna miss chad, 100% all out, all the time, AND he seemed like he actually wanted to be here.
although i bet he won't miss julian's "only sideways, never forward" passes, or dero's selfishness. you know, the two guys allegedly still on the team that we're gonna build around

FluSH
01-13-2011, 09:17 PM
Very Sad news for me... unparallel work ethic, Most Improved player Year-over-Year, still relatively young.

Chad, I wish you the best of luck in your career. BMO Field will always respect you.

rocker
01-13-2011, 09:22 PM
as much as I liked Chad, and defended him, I am trying not to be sentimental. No one player is going to be the source of success -- if we have success under Winter. I say the same thing about DeRo. I'm not getting caught up in the fan instinct surrounding these players. The bottom line is wins and if WIN-ter can provide that with any combination of players, I'll be happy.

craigtfc
01-13-2011, 09:37 PM
January 13, 2011. Happiest day of my T.F.C life.

ExiledRed
01-13-2011, 09:43 PM
we just traded our best winger, who was really a striker, and got nothing in return?

Losing Barrett is in fact gaining $200,000 which could easily pay for two superior players.

I wish Chad nothing but the best, it wasnt his fault, but that salary and contract handicapped us and forced the coaches to play him, ahead of stronger players, and even ahead of Dichio when he was fit.

I resent the way we got him for McBride instead of Rolfe, and the contract was just insulting.

Barrett scored some crackers, his first free kick, and that screamer against Montreal were truly awesome goals and I'd never take that away from him, and to be honest, if he were a 70-100k player without a contract I'd be sorrier to see him go.

Coming in from the outside, like the the new coaches are, they are going to wonder why his salary is so high and scrutinise the footage. Theyre going to see an inconsistent forward, with a clumsy first touch and a penchant for hesitation. They'll note his poor positioning and lack of intuition. They'll see that he's hotheaded, and they'll see him repeatedly mouthing off at the ref. They'll also see him running around in circles playing his own brand of total football while the team has no idea where he is or why he's there.

If the new coaching staff hadnt taken this action, I'd be very worried about this season.

TFCDP
01-13-2011, 10:10 PM
People shouldn't be upset about not getting anything in return for Barrett.. It's not like the NHL where you lose a decent player to free agency and he's hard to replace because theres only so many decent hockey players avail... I trust the staff to spend that 200k on one or two more players who will most likely be better.. There are so many more soccer players to choose from in the world than hockey players.. As much as I'll miss barretts work ethic, I'm excited to see who he's replaced with.

ensco
01-13-2011, 10:11 PM
Devil is in the details. How much salary are we eating?

If it's $100K for one year, this is great.

If it's $150K this year and next year...then I'm on the fence.

If it's more than that, why?

dantdot
01-13-2011, 10:18 PM
It's still unclear if we're eating any of the contract at all. PB said Ives had it wrong.

TFCDP
01-13-2011, 10:19 PM
Probably a stupid question... whatever the amount is that we will still be paying barrett.. that doesn't count against our cap does it?

Juanito
01-13-2011, 10:20 PM
I don't like or understand this move at all.

Held on to him while he slumped and got rid of him after a decent year.

Me neither. I was hot and cold with Chad, but unless we have someone better to replace him with, I don't understand the logic. It better be part of a master plan!!

TFCDP
01-13-2011, 10:22 PM
^in mariwinter i trust

Juanito
01-13-2011, 10:23 PM
Losing Barrett is in fact gaining $200,000 which could easily pay for two superior players.



This makes sense, I guess we will see what they can cook up with this money before we can judge if this was a good or bad deal.

Juanito
01-13-2011, 10:30 PM
The shitty part is that with Donovan and Beckham setting him up, he's going to have a career year. That's what happens when you get service. But I digress ...

Lucky Strike
01-13-2011, 10:42 PM
One part I don't understand is how "future considerations" works. LA now has Barrett, what leverage does TFC has to ask for anything more than a bag of balls?

Juanito
01-13-2011, 10:43 PM
^^

Are they shiny balls?

ExiledRed
01-13-2011, 11:28 PM
The shitty part is that with Donovan and Beckham setting him up, he's going to have a career year. That's what happens when you get service. But I digress ...

Barrett wasted good service, when he got it, more often than not.

Often he wasnt in position to receive it because his 'work ethic' dictated that he was running around the pitch 'working hard'

rocker
01-13-2011, 11:31 PM
One part I don't understand is how "future considerations" works. LA now has Barrett, what leverage does TFC has to ask for anything more than a bag of balls?

do you remember future considerations being used in a trade before (as a term)?
Even though I've followed MLS since 2007 I don't remember this term being used. I've heard of it in other leagues though. In baseball two teams would agree on a group of players of interest and at a later date the team trading the player would get to select from that group.

In MLS I've heard someone being traded for players, allocation, picks, returning player order, etc.. but never future considerations.

menefreghista
01-13-2011, 11:53 PM
Losing Barrett is in fact gaining $200,000 which could easily pay for two superior players.

But we don't know for sure if we are even gaining that much in salary.

Ives Galarcep is reporting that we are paying part of Barrett's salary.

How good this deal is hinges on how much of Barrett's salary we are eating.

And yes, any salary TFC takes on is part of TFC's cap.

TFCDP
01-14-2011, 12:00 AM
But we don't know for sure if we are even gaining that much in salary.

Ives Galarcep is reporting that we are paying part of Barrett's salary.

How good this deal is hinges on how much of Barrett's salary we are eating.

And yes, any salary TFC takes on is part of TFC's cap.

Ouch... didn't realize that.. I guess we gotta hope for the best on that one.

Smokecell
01-14-2011, 12:21 AM
All of Barrett's hard work and whatnot aside, we've now gotten rid of 2 of the worst contracts in MLS (Garcia's being the other). For that reason alone I applaud this deal. I hope Chad flourishes in LA, he deserves it. I could see this deal benefiting both sides.

zeelaw
01-14-2011, 12:24 AM
24thminute reporting that we aren't eating any salary now... the move looks a lot better if so...

Saying that,gonna miss Barrett, really won over the fans with hard work rate... and it must be said he was awesome and improved a whole bunch with his passing in and around the box...

I'm surprised he is gone

KezmanCCCC
01-14-2011, 12:36 AM
Sad too see chad leave us, he has been one of my favourite TFC players. but it frees up cap space to help winter bring in Kezman, who can play the dutch style of attacking football :P that would be nice

Yagbod
01-14-2011, 12:42 AM
He was like a little Dirk Kuyt. Tons of energy and dedication, but inconsistent.

My mom was crushed by the news.

Best of luck to him in LA, just not against us.

Inklink
01-14-2011, 02:38 AM
Chad was frustrating to watch at times, but man did he put in a ton of effort. He seemed to love playing for the team.

So long Chad!

I guess someone had to go to make room for Van Nistelrooy.

grizzle
01-14-2011, 03:16 AM
All of Barrett's hard work and whatnot aside, we've now gotten rid of 2 of the worst contracts in MLS (Garcia's being the other). For that reason alone I applaud this deal. I hope Chad flourishes in LA, he deserves it. I could see this deal benefiting both sides.

This. He needed to go.

James17930
01-14-2011, 05:27 AM
Ever notice how we keep getting rid of guys who actually really want to be here . . .

. . . Chad, Marvell, Dunivant . . .

. . . and keep getting dicked around by others? (De Ro, many others)

Feels a bit ass-backwards.

menefreghista
01-14-2011, 07:27 AM
24thminute reporting that we aren't eating any salary now... the move looks a lot better if so...


Where are you reading that? I can't find anything that says LA is paying all of Barrett's salary.

All we know is that Ives Galarcep is claiming we are paying a large chunk of his salary.

And the only response from the club is a lame statement from Paul Beirne. Which is totally ambiguous and could even be a lie for all we know since the details of the trade don't ever have to be announced.

ensco
01-14-2011, 08:16 AM
Where are you reading that? I can't find anything that says LA is paying all of Barrett's salary.

All we know is that Ives Galarcep is claiming we are paying a large chunk of his salary.

And the only response from the club is a lame statement from Paul Beirne. Which is totally ambiguous and could even be a lie for all we know since the details of the trade don't ever have to be announced.

Ives has a terrific record of being right on the facts. Plus it makes sense - nobody thinks Barrett is worth $300k/season.

One of the things that bugs me most about our team is that there is a culture of dissembling and/or game-playing with the facts, in our FO. Hopefully Winter will kill it off fast.

menefreghista
01-14-2011, 08:35 AM
One of the things that bugs me most about our team is that there is a culture of dissembling and/or game-playing with the facts, in our FO. Hopefully Winter will kill it off fast.

I agree.

And Paul Beirne's tweet on the issue makes it look like he's trying to quell any unrest if we are paying too much of Barrett's salary, all the while not really lying because he said 'I'm pretty sure'.

Already you see people reading it as we are paying none of Barrett's salary, when the reality is that TFC has never come out and actually said that. All with one small post on twitter.

Ives is more reliable than Beirne for sure. Especially consider TFC's history to lie. Do people not think this sort of activity doesn't start from the top?

Oldtimer
01-14-2011, 08:36 AM
Ives has a terrific record of being right on the facts. Plus it makes sense - nobody thinks Barrett is worth $300k/season.



Ives was friends with Mo, so he got a lot of inside information that he might no longer be getting (I don't know his links with LA). He also knows people in the league office, but I don't know if they'd spill the beans about a trade like that.

On the FAN590 Soccer Show, they said that Chad was due more than $300k per year (and guess who his agent is :rolleyes:).

I don't believe Paul B. is flat out lying (he isn't Mo Johnston), but he didn't say what aspect of Ives' statement was wrong, so we're left guessing. It would make sense that TFC is picking up at least part of his salary, but obviously TFC is making cap space, so the amount is probably not huge. Otherwise, they would keep Chad because he fits so well in a Dutch-like system.

A little bit of logic helps in disassembling the various statements.

menefreghista
01-14-2011, 08:47 AM
Ives was friends with Mo, so he got a lot of inside information that he might no longer be getting (I don't know his links with LA). He also knows people in the league office, but I don't know if they'd spill the beans about a trade like that.

Wasn't Ives right about how our management structure would play out?

I don't think Beirne is lying. I do think he is trying to confuse people though.

Lucky Strike
01-14-2011, 08:51 AM
do you remember future considerations being used in a trade before (as a term)?
Even though I've followed MLS since 2007 I don't remember this term being used. I've heard of it in other leagues though. In baseball two teams would agree on a group of players of interest and at a later date the team trading the player would get to select from that group.

In MLS I've heard someone being traded for players, allocation, picks, returning player order, etc.. but never future considerations.

Explanation makes sense, thanks. As for if anyone in the MLS has ever been traded for future considerations, I think so. I couldn't tell you when or who but in time of following the league from 2007 like you, I seem to recall it happening once or twice.

Interesting to actually list out everything a player can be traded for: add to that list, DP slots and international slots too.

Pachuco
01-14-2011, 09:32 AM
All of Barrett's hard work and whatnot aside, we've now gotten rid of 2 of the worst contracts in MLS (Garcia's being the other). For that reason alone I applaud this deal. I hope Chad flourishes in LA, he deserves it. I could see this deal benefiting both sides.

I'm sorry, but JDG takes that title if you ask me. Bang for your buck I would take Barrett any day.

Joe Kool
01-14-2011, 09:52 AM
Has anyone seen any news items that have quotes from Barrett? It would be interesting to see what he has to say.

Parkdale
01-14-2011, 09:53 AM
Has anyone seen any news items that have quotes from Barrett? It would be interesting to see what he has to say.


the CBC one was the first to talk to him.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/01/13/sp-chad-barrett.html

TFCRegina
01-14-2011, 10:52 AM
Found out why Chad wasn't able to score many goals:

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/99/76/01b5d4f2432a8cbef9d73651ec58.jpeg

Oldtimer
01-14-2011, 11:05 AM
Barrett stated he understood the club's reasoning and that he was saddened, but not bitter about being traded.
"I'm a little heart-broken, because when you put everything you have into a club and have that club give you so much back in return … it's hard not to fall in love with a place like that," Barrett said.
He added: "Toronto was a great place to play and live, and the people and the fans made it real easy for me to fall in love with the place. I'm going to miss the city."


All the best, Chad.

McBrace
01-14-2011, 11:12 AM
Solid guy, fantastic work rate... Sadly costs too much...

I fear his return..He will most likely be another former red to score at BMO..

How many was it last year?

P-NUTZ
01-14-2011, 11:13 AM
this sucks. not only was chad a great player to have, he was one of few.
it also sucks that $300 is too much for a half decent player in this over capped, short sighted bullshit league.
maybe his recurring injuries are making him higher risk.
classy guy and solid player with lots of skill.

Stencils
01-14-2011, 03:42 PM
I liked Barrett in TFC red. It's not always about goals or about winning.

Barrett was a hard working guy who wanted to win and was struggling with staff and teammates who didn't seem to care as much. That's what it looked like to me anyway. He was a very decent guy. Says he won't celebrate if he scores on us and I believe it.

Best of luck to him.

jvanpeebles
01-14-2011, 09:24 PM
unless its RVN i dont give a shit and wont reserve my judgment
:flare:

Dare to dream!!! I would love that

69Chevy396
01-15-2011, 02:34 PM
I liked Barrett in TFC red. It's not always about goals or about winning.

Barrett was a hard working guy who wanted to win and was struggling with staff and teammates who didn't seem to care as much. That's what it looked like to me anyway. He was a very decent guy. Says he won't celebrate if he scores on us and I believe it.

Best of luck to him.

"It is not always about goals or about winning" was a clause in Chad's TFC contract. With him on the team we didn't score or win. And, as much as I agree with most of you who laud his work ethic, I have to say if winning and scoring are not important, what is left? Losing, playing poorly, error prone mediocre soccer? I think we have seen enough of this, and it is time for us to see some of the scoring and winning part.

Yohan
01-15-2011, 03:12 PM
i suppose we should get rid of everyone on last year's roster because they didn't score or win either

Roogsy
01-15-2011, 03:14 PM
i suppose we should get rid of everyone on last year's roster because they didn't score or win either


To a degree...it seems like that is what they are doing.

Stencils
01-15-2011, 03:31 PM
"It is not always about goals or about winning" was a clause in Chad's TFC contract. With him on the team we didn't score or win. And, as much as I agree with most of you who laud his work ethic, I have to say if winning and scoring are not important, what is left? Losing, playing poorly, error prone mediocre soccer? I think we have seen enough of this, and it is time for us to see some of the scoring and winning part.

Who said winning and scoring goals aren't important? Not me. I said sometimes it's not ALWAYS about that.

In this 'sometime' it's about appreciating a player for his attitude and what he brings to the sport. Someone like Chad Barrett brings a lot of good things to the game that a lot of other players don't. It's sad that being a part of a winning season wasn't one of them because I think he deserved it.

Darlofletch
01-15-2011, 03:34 PM
"It is not always about goals or about winning" was a clause in Chad's TFC contract. With him on the team we didn't score or win. And, as much as I agree with most of you who laud his work ethic, I have to say if winning and scoring are not important, what is left? Losing, playing poorly, error prone mediocre soccer? I think we have seen enough of this, and it is time for us to see some of the scoring and winning part.

except that, at least last year under Preki, when chad played we did win. much more than when he didn't play. Difference between a 50 point season and an 18 point season.

69Chevy396
01-15-2011, 03:34 PM
The reason TFC has stayed at or near the bottom of the league is that many of these players that we are saying goodbye to, should never have been here in the first place. Chad can take his work ethic elsewhere, I would rather see a skilled, creative and consistent striker. Don't be surprised to see others leave soon, players with more work ethic than skill (gargan). I am optimistic that the house cleansing will result in a much better team within a year or two. (note: I renewed my season ticket, I am optimistic, a true fan, but I am pissed when I see teams from seattle, San Jose, Philly come to BMO and put on a better display with better players: if they can do it so can we)

Stencils
01-15-2011, 05:26 PM
We could have a team full of whiners and divers and win every game. I'd still miss players like Chad and Dan.

Stencils
01-15-2011, 05:27 PM
except that, at least last year under Preki, when chad played we did win. much more than when he didn't play. Difference between a 50 point season and an 18 point season.

Hm, sounds a lot like another player we like a lot. Wonder who that is?

ag futbol
01-15-2011, 08:54 PM
We could have a team full of whiners and divers and win every game. I'd still miss players like Chad and Dan.
So for all extensive purposes Chad Barrett doesn't fit the first category?

Comeon man, the guy practically held a running form with the official every game.

boban
01-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Isn't Chad something these use in Florida to vote with??

moralis
01-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Interesting article by Asif on Toronto FC's website: He gives two practical reasons why the Barret deal to Los Angeles was a good one for the club:

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/01/practicality-triumphs-barrett-trade

What do you guys think?

Detroit_TFC
01-16-2011, 12:08 AM
The one thing I don't understand is, how is LAG able to afford CB's big salary too?

menefreghista
01-16-2011, 12:20 AM
The one thing I don't understand is, how is LAG able to afford CB's big salary too?

Because TFC is paying a big chunk of it?

Super Cereal
01-16-2011, 12:22 AM
Because TFC is paying a big chunk of it?

Yeah, but I think he means cap wise. If not, then I don't really understand the question to begin with...

Toronto obviously isn't covering his cap hit still, or else it wouldn't have been a cap move.

menefreghista
01-16-2011, 12:25 AM
Whatever portion TFC picks up of Barrett's salary goes against TFC's cap.

My guess is that TFC is picking up just enough to make having Barrett on an MLS roster bearable. In essence the portion that LA is paying is the real market value of Barrett. Not the Mo Johnston market value.

Super Cereal
01-16-2011, 01:08 AM
Whatever portion TFC picks up of Barrett's salary goes against TFC's cap.

Really? My bad then, thanks. Not a fan of the fact that that's even possible, but with such a low salary cap, I guess it's necessary.

TFCRegina
01-16-2011, 01:09 AM
Because TFC is paying a big chunk of it?

Not proven yet, and TFC said that Ives had the details of the trade wrong. So don't be citing Ives.

menefreghista
01-16-2011, 01:17 AM
Not proven yet, and TFC said that Ives had the details of the trade wrong. So don't be citing Ives.

Ives is more credible than Paul Beirne, imo.

rocker
01-16-2011, 03:28 AM
we'll probably never know the truth. Nobody ever found out how much of Garcia's salary San Jose was paying... or how much of Robinson's salary TFC was paying to NY.

v00d00daddy
01-16-2011, 11:00 AM
We got nothing for him and may still be paying part of his contract.

That should tell you guys something.

It's amazing that, in one season, a guy goes from being a talentless goat on these boards to a vital cog that will be missed sorely.

I wonder if some of you guys actually watch the games sometimes.

He's a 75 thousand dollar a year player in this league. Nothing more.

We need much better than that to be a good team.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-16-2011, 11:29 AM
We got nothing for him and may still be paying part of his contract.

dude, several reports have said we arent paying anything for him, straight from Winter and Mariners mouth

ManUtd4ever
01-16-2011, 11:39 AM
^^ Yup. All indications are that TFC will be gaining over 300K in cap space as a result of the trade...

menefreghista
01-16-2011, 11:48 AM
dude, several reports have said we arent paying anything for him, straight from Winter and Mariners mouth

Please point me to these reports.

I haven't seen anything that definitively states that TFC is picking up no part of Barrett's contract. Please don't point to Beirne's comments because they don't say anything.

I would love to be proven wrong.

And as it has been previously mentioned, we will probably never know the real numbers, just like in the case of Garcia. And that's what the club wants, because they don't want the fans to know what a fuck up the situation might be.

If we are picking up any of Barrett's salary above the allocation LA gave us, I don't like this trade. I would rather over-pay Barrett to play for us than pay to not have him on our team.

ManUtd4ever
01-16-2011, 11:55 AM
Please point me to these reports.

I haven't seen anything that definitively states that TFC is picking up no part of Barrett's contract. Please don't point to Beirne's comments because they don't say anything.

I would love to be proven wrong.

And as it has been previously mentioned, we will probably never know the real numbers, just like in the case of Garcia. And that's what the club wants, because they don't want the fans to know what a fuck up the situation might be.

If we are picking up any of Barrett's salary above the allocation LA gave us, I don't like this trade. I would rather over-pay Barrett to play for us than pay to not have him on our team.

It's not conclusive, but it doesn't seem like the move would have been made if TFC was paying a chunk of his salary...

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/01/practicality-triumphs-barrett-trade



Speaking on the trade, Toronto’s director of player development, Paul Mariner, was unequivocal in saying that the move was made to free up space in Major League Soccer’s limited salary cap. Barrett is reported to be making more the $300,000 in 2011.

Head coach and technical director Aron Winter believes he can get as many as four new players in place of Barrett. Toronto definitely needs new talent to fill out the first and reserve teams with training camp looming.

menefreghista
01-16-2011, 12:00 PM
It's not conclusive, but it doesn't seem like the move would have been made if TFC was paying a chunk of his salary...

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/01/practicality-triumphs-barrett-trade

Thanks.

But for all we know the cap relief is only $100,000 + the $125,000 allocation.

Obviously there has to be some relief.

The flipside of course is that LA most likely doesn't want to pay $300,000 for Barrett.

My guess is that the salary is being split in half. Which I can live with if we are only stuck with that for one season.

I really do wish we could get the full details though.

TFC14
01-17-2011, 11:56 AM
When you look at his goal totals I can't even imagine how LA could justify burdening all $300, 000+ of his salary TFC must be paying a portion of this, unless LA is taking a big gamble on a breakout year...but the guy is 25, he always worked hard but his stats just don't justify making that kind of money or even being a starting striker in this league. The amount of chances this guy missed got to be frustrating over his time here but best of luck to him with Donovan and Beckham in LA

2005–2008 Chicago Fire 82 (17)
2008–2010 Toronto FC 65 (16)

*33 goals in 147 appearances

TFCRegina
01-17-2011, 11:59 AM
When you look at his goal totals I can't even imagine how LA could justify burdening all $300, 000+ of his salary TFC must be paying a portion of this, unless LA is taking a big gamble on a breakout year...but the guy is 25, he always worked hard but his stats just don't justify making that kind of money or even being a starting striker in this league. The amount of chances this guy missed got to be frustrating over his time here but best of luck to him with Donovan and Beckham in LA

2005–2008 Chicago Fire 82 (17)
2008–2010 Toronto FC 65 (16)

*33 goals in 147 appearances

LA has bigger problems in the sense that they lost their star striker up front. They also seem to have access to a bottomless pile of allocation money, so I don't think that his salary is the real problem.

MLS wants to have a dominant LA club that attracts huge latin american TV ratings.

And you can't really blame them, because MLS, as a proportion of their fanbase, is disproportionately supported by Latin Americans relative to other leagues.

TFC14
01-17-2011, 12:12 PM
LA has bigger problems in the sense that they lost their star striker up front. They also seem to have access to a bottomless pile of allocation money, so I don't think that his salary is the real problem.

MLS wants to have a dominant LA club that attracts huge latin american TV ratings.

And you can't really blame them, because MLS, as a proportion of their fanbase, is disproportionately supported by Latin Americans relative to other leagues.
I guess what I'm saying is getting a striker who scores every 4.5 games isn't really a solution to replace your star striker regardless of how much allocation $ available. Great move on TFC, especially if they dumped all 300k onto LA.

Lucky Strike
01-17-2011, 02:15 PM
When you look at his goal totals I can't even imagine how LA could justify burdening all $300, 000+ of his salary TFC must be paying a portion of this, unless LA is taking a big gamble on a breakout year...but the guy is 25, he always worked hard but his stats just don't justify making that kind of money or even being a starting striker in this league. The amount of chances this guy missed got to be frustrating over his time here but best of luck to him with Donovan and Beckham in LA


2005–2008 Chicago Fire 82 (17)
2008–2010 Toronto FC 65 (16)

*33 goals in 147 appearances

Well if we look at statistics only, we can clearly see that Barrett improved a fair bit from his time in Chicago. He's scored virtually the same number of goals but in 17 less appearances. An LA executive might be looking at this going: "Well, that was on a lousy Toronto team, if I put him on the pitch with Beckham and Donovan, that goal haul could increase substantially."

rocker
01-17-2011, 03:36 PM
I haven't read all the details, but is it possible the move is this: TFC pays $100,000 of Barrett's salary, and then LA gives TFC a $100,000 allocation?

So it's neutral, but serves different purposes. Cuz LA can't apply any of their allocation money to Barrett's contract, since the contract has already been signed. But TFC can use that $100,000 in lowering the cap hit of a new signing, which TFC definitely needs.

jloome
01-17-2011, 04:26 PM
Well if we look at statistics only, we can clearly see that Barrett improved a fair bit from his time in Chicago. He's scored virtually the same number of goals but in 17 less appearances. An LA executive might be looking at this going: "Well, that was on a lousy Toronto team, if I put him on the pitch with Beckham and Donovan, that goal haul could increase substantially."

I think you could stick a billy goat in the middle of the box and he'd score 10 for the Galaxy.

TFC14
01-17-2011, 04:29 PM
Well if we look at statistics only, we can clearly see that Barrett improved a fair bit from his time in Chicago. He's scored virtually the same number of goals but in 17 less appearances. An LA executive might be looking at this going: "Well, that was on a lousy Toronto team, if I put him on the pitch with Beckham and Donovan, that goal haul could increase substantially."


Thats true...going to LA revitalized Buddle's career...can't ever hurt to play with those two guys.

moralis
01-17-2011, 08:48 PM
I asked Soccer By Ives tonight about his tweets on TFC overpaying on the Barret trade:

[Comment From Pedro:]
Hi Ives, I know Paul Beirne, from TFC replied to your tweet saying that your info on Barret's deal was way off. Here's what a TFC writer wrote on the deal: http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2011/01/practicality-triumphs-barrett-trade.

What Ives replied:

I'll stand by my info. Anybody who thinks Los Angeles is paying all of Chad Barrett's salary in that trade is crazy. Here's the thing with Barrett. If you're TFC and are on the hook for 300K, it can be worth it to you to deal him and absorb even half that if it means freeing up 150K in cap room to sign a player who prefer better. Lastly, that story was written by a Toronto FC employee, and offered zero info on financial details, which wouldn't be allowed in a team generated story anyway.

Soccer By Ives tweet:

Chad Barrett to LA for 125K in allocation. I'm told Toronto FC will be eating a good chunk of Barrett's salary. 12:20 PM Jan 13th (http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/25603178753953792) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

Paul Beirne's re-tweet:

I'm pretty sure @SoccerByIves (http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves) got the deets wrong on the TFC trade 12:38 PM Jan 13th (http://twitter.com/Paulbeirne/status/25607609885138944) via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/)

Who do you guy's believe?

ag futbol
01-17-2011, 09:14 PM
Well, I think there's a grain of truth to what each guy is saying here.

As someone on the V's board wrote: PB didn't deny we were eating salary but seemed to contend we weren't eating "a substantial chunk", whatever that means.

In the end, Ives logic rules the day. Absolutely no way any team in MLS is taking down Barrett's salary at 300k. That simply doesn't pass the smell test. That's not to say he has all the details 100% spot on, but I'd be willing to contend we're eating a good 80-150k on this.

Yohan
01-17-2011, 09:24 PM
And further proof of why Cochrane would have made a terrible GM. Why on earth would you pick up team option of Barrett's 300k/yr salary?

Don't get me wrong. I love Barrett and I think he has a lot to offer to TFC, but no way he's worth 300k. I can live with 200k, but not 300k.

So Cochrane exercised team option on Barrett's contract. Waiver draft came and went. And on draft day, with new regime in place that wants to get rid of Barrett for his cap space, TFC might end up eating some of Barrett's salary. And if TFC released Barrett at the end of season, we would not be eating part of Barrett's salary for 2011.

Best scenario is that LAG offers back enough allocation to offset whatever amount TFC is eating Barrett's salary. Worse case is that TFC eats something like 150k of Barrett's salary. And 'future consideration' will turn out to be something like 3rd round draft pick or something similar of worth.

I know I'm speaking here with benefit of hindsight, but this situation... annoys me

ExiledRed
01-17-2011, 09:38 PM
I think you could stick a billy goat in the middle of the box and he'd score 10 for the Galaxy.

yeah but Barrett wont.

Barrett's problem was never service, it was poor positioning, hesitation, heavy first touch and bad finishing.

ensco
01-17-2011, 09:50 PM
That Ives exchange above is classic. Nicely done.

It pains me to see our FO pulling these stunts - I would have thought they'd be behind us, post Mo.

Yohan
01-17-2011, 09:53 PM
But somehow managed to score 6 goals by early Aug in league, plus what, 4 in NCC and CCL? with shots on goal percentage of 50% last season I might add

ag futbol
01-17-2011, 10:00 PM
And further proof of why Cochrane would have made a terrible GM. Why on earth would you pick up team option of Barrett's 300k/yr salary?

Don't get me wrong. I love Barrett and I think he has a lot to offer to TFC, but no way he's worth 300k. I can live with 200k, but not 300k.
If true I agree with you completely, but are we sure that Barrett had an option on his contract or was it guaranteed straight through?

Mojo got into these things without much foresight. That much is clear.

Yohan
01-17-2011, 10:11 PM
If true I agree with you completely, but are we sure that Barrett had an option on his contract or was it guaranteed straight through?

Mojo got into these things without much foresight. That much is clear.


Barrett, 25, was stunned when the club first tipped him off that a trade was in the works.
"There was a lot of initial shock just because TFC had gone to such great lengths to keep me there through [last November's] expansion draft and they picked up my contract option, so it was a little bit of a shock," Barrett admitted.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/01/13/sp-chad-barrett.html#ixzz1Ax7BpgLc

Damn you Mo Johnston!!!

ag futbol
01-17-2011, 10:25 PM
wow, really? What a boneheaded move.

Guess that goes to show the level of influence some of the previous staff have going forward.

Auzzy
01-18-2011, 12:12 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/01/13/sp-chad-barrett.html#ixzz1Ax7BpgLc

Damn you Mo Johnston!!!



Barrett, 25, was stunned when the club first tipped him off that a trade was in the works. "There was a lot of initial shock just because TFC had gone to such great lengths to keep me there through [last November's] expansion draft and they picked up my contract option, so it was a little bit of a shock," Barrett admitted.

I never understood that quote from Chad. Although he makes it sound like TFC wanted to keep him through the last expansion draft, he was in fact left unprotected last fall: http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/11/reds-reveal-unprotected-players

For TFC to first not protect him, and then to pick up his contract option a short while later, is really strange.

Also, do we have any proof that Barrett's salary will in fact be $300k this year? AFAIK, so far everything I've read has only reported that as a rumour. Perhaps it's only $250k or so -- also a significant jump from last season, but it could make the number$ between LA & TFC a bit less contorted...? This at least we will find out for sure when the 2011 MLS salary list comes out.

rocker
01-18-2011, 01:12 AM
if they had not chosen to pick up his contract option, what would have happened? would he have gone in that new draft?

tovan
02-21-2011, 03:09 PM
http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2011/02/day-5-arizona-sees-focus-finishing-small-side-games-and-recovery

"While Berhalter’s group worked at one end of the field, the rest of the coaching staff took 15 players, which included Chad Barrett, who had missed the previous three days with tightness in his hamstring, to the other end of the field for a passing drill."

His hamstring is at it again, it's looking like a good move trading him to LA.

Stryker
02-21-2011, 03:52 PM
http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2011/02/day-5-arizona-sees-focus-finishing-small-side-games-and-recovery

"While Berhalter’s group worked at one end of the field, the rest of the coaching staff took 15 players, which included Chad Barrett, who had missed the previous three days with tightness in his hamstring, to the other end of the field for a passing drill."

His hamstring is at it again, it's looking like a good move trading him to LA.

The hamstring that was re-injuried when that idiot Preki sent him out onto a soaked plastic pitch after rushing him back into the line up?
I hated Preki so much.

TFC14
02-21-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2010/02/03/preki-xl-091119cp.jpg


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