PDA

View Full Version : Beckham to Tottenham??



David_Oliveira
01-02-2011, 12:04 PM
Looks like Becks is trying to get LA to release him to Tottenham on loan. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3326827/David-Beckham-insists-he-wants-to-join-Tottenham.html)

jabbronies
01-02-2011, 12:11 PM
Hope he gets the transfer approval. Would love to see him in EPL again.

Heart of Stone
01-02-2011, 12:20 PM
Local boy goes home...

ensco
01-02-2011, 01:33 PM
Weird. Not sure I see why that's the obvious fit. Spurs already have arguably the best midfield in the world.

Yohan
01-02-2011, 01:45 PM
no direct quotes from Becks but a lot from Redknapp... wonder if it's a ploy by Spurs to put pressure on Becks

though i don't really see whats in it for Becks to go on loan this time

Pachuco
01-02-2011, 01:57 PM
Weird. Not sure I see why that's the obvious fit. Spurs already have arguably the best midfield in the world.

I don't know, Beckham would be a good alternative to Lennon every once in a while. He can be frustrating to watch sometimes and Beckham's service is miles ahead of Lennon's. When Redknapp goes with Crouch up front I think it would make sense to have someone like Beckham on the field. Someone who's going to put the ball on his head on demand.

David_Oliveira
01-02-2011, 01:59 PM
no direct quotes from Becks but a lot from Redknapp... wonder if it's a ploy by Spurs to put pressure on Becks

though i don't really see whats in it for Becks to go on loan this time

It's the pro athlete in him. He wants to play against the highest competition he can.

ensco
01-02-2011, 02:04 PM
^Truth to that Pachuco. But even though Lennon's not been that great this year, he was clearly preferred to Beckham on the England MNT.

My guess is that Beckham would be more of an insurance policy, in case someone gets hurt (VdW only just back from injury)

jabbronies
01-02-2011, 02:07 PM
It's the pro athlete in him. He wants to play against the highest competition he can.

The fact that he is so adamant to go back to European whenever he can tells me something about the level of the MLS. It's just not that competitive.

I realize he sat for most of the year, but I also look at others who have been keen on getting that extra playing time in order to fulfill that competitive need.

TheKing7
01-02-2011, 02:34 PM
If Beckham goes, Bentley has to be on his way out.

Ontario Arab
01-02-2011, 02:36 PM
Great cover move if true from Spurs. This Spurs team are on the brink of greatness, next year methinks.

Milky
01-02-2011, 03:56 PM
If Beckham leaves LA it will be a loss for the MLS. But he's definitely good enough to be playing in Europe, I just hope that he's not becoming injury prone in the twilight of his career. That's the only real risk for Becks.

Pachuco
01-02-2011, 06:08 PM
If Beckham leaves LA it will be a loss for the MLS. But he's definitely good enough to be playing in Europe, I just hope that he's not becoming injury prone in the twilight of his career. That's the only real risk for Becks.

Pretty sure this would be a loan deal the same way he was loaned to Milan. He would be back in the summer to play for L.A.

colman1860
01-02-2011, 07:01 PM
Weird. Not sure I see why that's the obvious fit. Spurs already have arguably the best midfield in the world.

You'd have to argue pretty hard to prove that...Barca?

werewolf
01-02-2011, 07:15 PM
You'd have to argue pretty hard to prove that...Barca?

I think even you would agree Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribery und Van Bommel is superior as well.

That white jersey team in Madrid isn't half-bad either...

ensco
01-02-2011, 08:15 PM
You'd have to argue pretty hard to prove that...Barca?

I hear you guys. Let's call it one of the top 3 or 4 midfields in the world.

Bale is the best winger in the world. Modric has been a stud, probably the best CM in England. VdW has been terrific too. Lennon is probably the weak link.

As a group, they're in the same conversation as Barca or BM.

Spurs MF definitely superior to RM, imho, I'm not sure RM MFs are in the super elite group really.

But thinking about Barca, Xavi and Iniesta...jeez the captain of Argentina can hardly get a game. OK I got a little excited about where Spurs probably rank there!

CretanBull
01-02-2011, 08:33 PM
Other than the name recognition and the jersey sales, I don't see the point in this...they already have a winger in David bentlely who makes great crosses and is excellent on set piece plays, but is too slow to defend in the prem.

Oblio2
01-02-2011, 08:37 PM
Bentley is injured. Frequently.
Beckahm wants to stay local (near or in London-His house in in Sawbridgeworth and he was boirn in Leytonstone) ....and he wants to play for a decent team who is challenging for the title and in Champs. League. Plus, Harry is a Manager MANY players would love to play for. Also, his Family are Spurs fans.
We need cover on the wings and Harry believes in a good Pro, shwoing the kids how to do it...like Teddy Sheringham did. Beckham can be a good role model.
It's a win-win all round.

FYI- We dont need the money from shirt sales. Spurs are quite secure financially.

CretanBull
01-02-2011, 09:36 PM
I understand why beckham wants to go there, I don't understand why spurs would be interested. I'd rank vdv, modric, bale, huddlestone, Lennon, Kranjcar, jenas and palacios ahead of becks...i think he's competing with bentley, sandos and one or two others (is o'hara still there?). I realize that they all play different roles, but no matter how you look at it that's a very deep and very good midfield with a lot of options.

I realize that spurs don't need money, but no team is going to turn money away are they? It's a reason to sign him over someone else...

ag futbol
01-02-2011, 09:44 PM
I must add: I know MLS wants as much exposure as possible but this offseason / start of season loan business is becoming a bit much. Clubs are paying a lot of money for these players and they are being worn down by playing all these extra games then returning to MLS.

I know it won't happen and from a business perspective there's probably a near bullet-proof case it wouldn't make sense... but i wish instead of the DP spot they'd just implement some kind of limited luxury tax system. 5M in payroll you can have an average salary of 166k. Roughly speaking you could split it so that on a 30 man roster you could have 10 guys earning 300k and 20 earning around 100. That's quite a bit of quality spread around the field rather than throwing all that money on one guy. Ah well .. patience is a virtue i guess. So we'll continue to see the million dollar man pass the ball of to some guy earning 45k a year.

torontocelt
01-02-2011, 10:11 PM
I hear you guys. Let's call it one of the top 3 or 4 midfields in the world.

Bale is the best winger in the world.

With regards to wingers I would take Ronaldo over Bale anytime.

drewski
01-02-2011, 10:23 PM
I understand why beckham wants to go there, I don't understand why spurs would be interested. I'd rank vdv, modric, bale, huddlestone, Lennon, Kranjcar, jenas and palacios ahead of becks...i think he's competing with bentley, sandos and one or two others (is o'hara still there?). I realize that they all play different roles, but no matter how you look at it that's a very deep and very good midfield with a lot of options.

I realize that spurs don't need money, but no team is going to turn money away are they? It's a reason to sign him over someone else...

just returning from surgery, back I think. there was some talk of a loan so he could get some minutes

CretanBull
01-02-2011, 10:27 PM
^ its hard to define little chrissy's position, he's plays too much of a free role to pidgeon hole. That said, Bale has a huge advantage given that he's not one of the biggest cunts in the world - and character counts for something.

ensco
01-02-2011, 10:28 PM
With regards to wingers I would take Ronaldo over Bale anytime.

I get that. But it's close. Ronaldo's getting a real reputation for disappearing in big games.

I wonder what Ronaldo's transfer value today is, and what Bale's is. I suspect they're very similar, mostly because Bale is only 21.

Yohan
01-02-2011, 10:49 PM
I get that. But it's close. Ronaldo's getting a real reputation for disappearing in big games.

I wonder what Ronaldo's transfer value today is, and what Bale's is. I suspect they're very similar, mostly because Bale is only 21.
imagine if Southampton had some sort of sell on clause for Bale. ch ching!

torontocelt
01-03-2011, 08:56 AM
I get that. But it's close. Ronaldo's getting a real reputation for disappearing in big games.

I wonder what Ronaldo's transfer value today is, and what Bale's is. I suspect they're very similar, mostly because Bale is only 21.

Bale is looking a fine player for sure but Ronaldo is still only 25 and at Man U he averaged a goal every two games, at RM his stats are incredible, it is almost a goal a game. I did not realise his stats at RM were so impressive, literally according to wiki it is played 45 and scored 43! Even for Portugal he is a goal every three games.

Bale on the other hand is no where near the stat level of Ronaldo, he is of course 4 years younger and at times he has been played as a left wing back but he needs to show the form he is currently showing over the next few seasons to be considered as the same standard as Ronaldo. I understand why a lot of people rate Bale at the moment and it would cost a big sum to get him from Spurs but as of yet he cannot be considered to be the best winger int he world, Ronaldo has shown he is the best for a prolonged period of time at the highest level for the biggest clubs in the world. Bale is not in his class yet in my opinion.

Juanito
01-03-2011, 11:54 AM
Weird. Not sure I see why that's the obvious fit. Spurs already have arguably the best midfield in the world.

I'm not being an ass, but WHO are you referring to?

My bad, I didn't read the whole thing. Bale? I think it's a stretch to consider him top 5. I think if you polled people around here, he wouldn't be top 5, maybe not even top 10. I find that any half-decent Brit gets a lot more credit than they deserve, but that's just my opinion.

Juanito
01-03-2011, 11:56 AM
I think even you would agree Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribery und Van Bommel is superior as well.

That white jersey team in Madrid isn't half-bad either...

I was thinking along the same line. There's this dude Sneijder that I hear is pretty half-decent so are some guys named Xavi and Iniesta. ;)

Juanito
01-03-2011, 12:00 PM
Bentley is injured. Frequently.
Beckahm wants to stay local (near or in London-His house in in Sawbridgeworth and he was boirn in Leytonstone) ....and he wants to play for a decent team who is challenging for the title and in Champs. League. Plus, Harry is a Manager MANY players would love to play for. Also, his Family are Spurs fans.
We need cover on the wings and Harry believes in a good Pro, shwoing the kids how to do it...like Teddy Sheringham did. Beckham can be a good role model.
It's a win-win all round.

FYI- We dont need the money from shirt sales. Spurs are quite secure financially.

This makes perfect sense to me.

Waggy
01-03-2011, 12:15 PM
I'm not being an ass, but WHO are you referring to?

My bad, I didn't read the whole thing. Bale? I think it's a stretch to consider him top 5. I think if you polled people around here, he wouldn't be top 5, maybe not even top 10. I find that any half-decent Brit gets a lot more credit than they deserve, but that's just my opinion.

1) He's Welsh not British
2) Clearly you haven't been watching Spurs in Champs League. He's freaking magic. I agree he isn't top 5, but top 10? Almost certainly.


Edit: If you actually haven't been following Spurs in CL at all, heres some quotes from after he single handedly beat Inter Milan and turned Maicon (one of the best defenders in the world) into a pylon http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/03/gareth-bale-hailed-european-press

ManUtd4ever
01-03-2011, 12:20 PM
If Becks is on his way to White Hart Lane, the Spurs midfield will be downright nasty and one of the best in the world. I foresee him as a supersub given Tottenham's depth...

ensco
01-03-2011, 12:22 PM
To be clear: I said Bale is the best winger in the world. Not midfielder. There are hardly any pure wingers out there in the elite group of MFs.

CretanBull
01-03-2011, 12:37 PM
1) He's Welsh not British


We don't like to admit it, but Welsh people are British :D

"British" = Anyone from the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) or its territories like Bermuda. They're all British, but don't often refer to themselves as such - they identify with their own country as English, Scottish, Welsh etc. So, all English people are British, but not all British people are English.

When it comes to footy, never mix them up or assume that they're the same - or even friends. Next to Germany, England's biggest rival is Scotland...and although the Welsh can't beat us, they love to see us lose.

boban
01-03-2011, 12:40 PM
1) He's Welsh not British
WTF is Welsh but British?
Scottish is British, English is British.
Hence Great Britain the country.

Waggy
01-03-2011, 12:42 PM
We don't like to admit it, but Welsh people are British :D

Huh, I thought Brit now was reserved for the English nowadays. And now I know lol

Either way, Bale isn't one of those English speakers who get overhyped by the media in the UK. If anything I actually think he may be underrated

Pachuco
01-03-2011, 12:43 PM
To be clear: I said Bale is the best winger in the world. Not midfielder. There are hardly any pure wingers out there in the elite group of MFs.

Yeah he's honestly in the top 3 for me. Ronaldo kinda plays the same position so I'm not sure you could say he's better then Ronaldo. But he's definately way up there at the level that he's been performing this year. Whether that is sustained remains to be seen. Right now though in my mind Bale is the best player in the EPL with Nasri coming a close second.

CretanBull
01-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Either way, Bale isn't one of those English speakers who get overhyped by the media in the UK. If anything I actually think he may be underrated

He is a fantastic player, as Ensco said in terms of being a pure winger (and not a hybrid AM - 2nd striker) he's the best in the world based on current form. His Champions League games were soul crushing for Inter...he scored 3 goals in the first game, and then played even better getting a goal and 2 assists in the next game. He made Maicon and Lucio look like pylons. His ability to beat fullbacks with speed has to be seen to be believed, but what makes him world class is his ability to fire in a perfect cross, at top speed, in motion at the end of those runs.

flatpicker
01-03-2011, 01:10 PM
Based on this picture, you would think Beckham had been living in Thunder Bay rather than LA.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50646000/jpg/_50646555_beckham_226x282.jpg


I admire him for trying to achieve the most in what's left of his career.
Although I think he has ADD... he can't seem to stick with any one project.

Oblio2
01-03-2011, 01:37 PM
and we bought Bale as a Left Back :)

Harry made him a winger.

greatwhitenorf
01-03-2011, 03:35 PM
Big part of Beckham playing at Spurs may have to do with the linkage between Spurs and AEG, who own the Galaxatives, and are jointly bidding to take over London's 2012 Olympic stadium site once the games are over. Only other bidders are West Ham who have a minor amount of geography on their side and, erm, not much else.

With the financial clout of Spurs/AEG likely to provide a winning margin in this battle - to say nothing of the image problems created by West Ham's porn merchant owners - we'll probably see Beckham in a major PR role.

Could easily imagine Beckham's move becoming permanent - all he'd need is AEG's permission and they're partners in the new stadium. He'd play a couple of seasons with Spurs, teach Aaron Lennon how to get that final touch just perfect, mentor Bale on his free kick techniques and be a big help in selling sponsorships, suites, and of course, souvenir jerseys. All the while enjoying the short drive north to his nearby palatial home, Beckingham Palace.

Probably be a statue of him at the new stadium someday - just in the lobby where suiteholders arrive.

ensco
01-03-2011, 04:08 PM
Ives tears a strip off Becks. Can't recall when he last did this to anyone....

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/01/will-beckham-every-stop-dreaming-of-loans.html

ginkster88
01-03-2011, 04:15 PM
Ives is wrong on this one... Beckham did MLS a favour by signing here and is still too talented for the league. I've always supported his efforts to play to his level abroad and he will fit in well with Spurs. He might have had a dream 2010 if not for the accident with his achilles.

Yohan
01-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Ives is wrong on this one... Beckham did MLS a favour by signing here and is still too talented for the league. I've always supported his efforts to play to his level abroad and he will fit in well with Spurs. He might have had a dream 2010 if not for the accident with his achilles.
i fucking hate catering to whims of players attitude.

you signed a contract. live up with it. Ives is right. Becks so far cost too much on the field for LAG who got very little for money they spent on Becks on the field (off the field is another story). OK, I can understand a little about the Milan stint and desiring to play in WC. But in the end, he ended up getting hurt big time, and doing damage to LAG, his parent club.
Becks has shown very little loyalty and a lot of disrespect to club he has signed for, preferring to treat LAG like a bit of vacation/recreational football team instead of being the professional he professes to being.

Just because some European club has whims, MLS does not have to cater to it. And this attitude starts with us, who should think of MLS with a little more respect than mere 2nd tier league that our team happens to play for.

greatwhitenorf
01-03-2011, 04:25 PM
Laughably inept article, laughably naive comments by Ives readers.

Again, I return to my earlier point about AEG partnering with Spurs on their new stadium project. AEG own the Galaxy. It's their decision whether to let Beckham go or not.

The money to be made on this deal utterly dwarfs anything involving AEG and MLS. AEG already has a massively successful project in London, having turned the floundering Millenium Dome around, renaming it as the O2 Arena and making it the world's most successful indoor arena.

Putting Beckham in a position to make another huge London deal happen is only prudent management.

Juanito
01-03-2011, 05:25 PM
1) He's Welsh not British
2) Clearly you haven't been watching Spurs in Champs League. He's freaking magic. I agree he isn't top 5, but top 10? Almost certainly.


Edit: If you actually haven't been following Spurs in CL at all, heres some quotes from after he single handedly beat Inter Milan and turned Maicon (one of the best defenders in the world) into a pylon http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/03/gareth-bale-hailed-european-press

OK, I ASSUME that British means English, Scottish, and Welsh .... is it not (this is rhetorical as you've answered it already)? I knew he was Welsh, but I am using the broader British Isles makes my point clear.

I have seen Bale play. The kid has talent. I just think the English media is making a mountain out of a mole and putting A LOT of pressure on this kid. I hope I'm wrong, because he could be a great footballer, he's just not there yet.

You're correct, there aren't many great wingers in the world. Bale is good, but in my opinion, has not achieved "greatness". Time will tell, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just giving you my two cents.

torontocelt
01-03-2011, 06:25 PM
OK, I ASSUME that British means English, Scottish, and Welsh .... is it not (this is rhetorical as you've answered it already)? I knew he was Welsh, but I am using the broader British Isles makes my point clear.

I have seen Bale play. The kid has talent. I just think the English media is making a mountain out of a mole and putting A LOT of pressure on this kid. I hope I'm wrong, because he could be a great footballer, he's just not there yet.

You're correct, there aren't many great wingers in the world. Bale is good, but in my opinion, has not achieved "greatness". Time will tell, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just giving you my two cents.

I agree with this. Bale has had some fantastic performances this season including his demolition of Inter, no one can deny that. In order for him to be considered a true great though he needs to do this over a few seasons. Consistency makes a truly great player, that is what makes Ronaldo the best winger out there. He has reached crazy levels of consistency, perhaps Bale will do this time. In fairness if Bale were English the expectation level in the British press would be a lot worse. Another great winger from Wales who is too old now but still a class player is Giggs. If Bale can come anywhere near to emulating Giggs then he will be one hell of a player. He is no where near that level yet though, Giggs done it for 15 years or so, he is a truly great player.

ensco
01-03-2011, 07:04 PM
I haven't seen them that much, but according to news stories and the like, as good as Bale has been, it seems that Spurs best MF this year has been Modric, as hard as it is to believe.

Oblio2
01-03-2011, 08:05 PM
Why is it hard to believe. Modric is probably one of the best, if not the Best CM in the EPL right now

ensco
01-03-2011, 08:31 PM
Why is it hard to believe. Modric is probably one of the best, if not the Best CM in the EPL right now

He didn't start well. I thought it was a classic Spurs signing for a while (Rebrov came to mind). I never thought he'd turn it around and excel so fast.

torontocelt
01-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Why is it hard to believe. Modric is probably one of the best, if not the Best CM in the EPL right now

It is also worth noting that Man U have been linked with buying him for 25m pounds for the past eight months, you dont get on their radar at that price if you have not been performing well.

ACSertL
01-03-2011, 09:52 PM
I get that. But it's close. Ronaldo's getting a real reputation for disappearing in big games.

I wonder what Ronaldo's transfer value today is, and what Bale's is. I suspect they're very similar, mostly because Bale is only 21.

According to transfermarkt.de:

Ronaldo 90 million Euros
Bale 20 million Euros
Beckham 5 million Euros

I am not sure how accurate these figures are but as a for example, they have Edin Dzeko listed at 30 million Euros and all of the articles I have read have Man. City forking over a fee of 27 million Pounds for him.

Just some food for thought.

ensco
01-03-2011, 10:00 PM
According to transfermarkt.de:

Ronaldo 90 million Euros
Bale 20 million Euros
Beckham 5 million Euros

I am not sure how accurate these figures are but as a for example, they have Edin Dzeko listed at 30 million Euros and all of the articles I have read have Man. City forking over a fee of 27 million Pounds for him.

Just some food for thought.

i would have guessed 70 for Ronaldo, and 50 for Bale.

Thank you for putting it nicely. Doesn't look like I'm close.

ACSertL
01-03-2011, 10:06 PM
i would have guessed 70 for Ronaldo, and 50 for Bale.

Thank you for putting it nicely. Doesn't look like I'm close.

Wasn't meant to shoot you out of the sky :)

I think Bale just needs a little more time to fully establish himself.

ensco
01-03-2011, 10:09 PM
^My motto is, often wrong, but never in doubt!

CretanBull
01-03-2011, 10:33 PM
According to transfermarkt.de:

Ronaldo 90 million Euros
Bale 20 million Euros
Beckham 5 million Euros

I am not sure how accurate these figures are but as a for example, they have Edin Dzeko listed at 30 million Euros and all of the articles I have read have Man. City forking over a fee of 27 million Pounds for him.

Just some food for thought.

I'm not sure what those numbers are based on, but Spurs would definitely turn down 20 million Euros for Bale, and I'd be shocked if the MLS got 5 for Becks.

ACSertL
01-03-2011, 10:50 PM
I'm not sure what those numbers are based on, but Spurs would definitely turn down 20 million Euros for Bale, and I'd be shocked if the MLS got 5 for Becks.

I'm not entirely sure how this site comes up with the figures either. They are seemingly close on the Dzeko deal which is why I mentioned it.

And I would also imagine that teams are going to try to get the most for their players, which could be more than the perceived "market value"; but we have seen many examples of it going the other way. Mesut Ozil's market value, according to the site, is 27 million Euros, but Bremen got less than half of that from Real Madrid last summer because he could have walked for nothing at the end of the season. In that case it was advantage, buyer.

Edit: Ozil's fee was around 15 million Euros, or 12.5 million Pounds.

CretanBull
01-03-2011, 11:15 PM
My German is a little, um "rusty" (as in, I don't speak a word of it) but based on some of the comments made in the forums, I think that they might base their value on reported figures ie if a paper reports that AC Milan offered Man City 25 million Euros for Tevez, then they set his value at 25 million Euros. Which probably is fairly accurate - it at least gives an idea of what value at least one club puts on a player.

Juanito
01-03-2011, 11:20 PM
^^

"Value" is what the market dictates, it doesn't necessarily have to be proportional to talent. In the Premiership, British players are worth more because there are such few of them that are considered "top quality", you tend to pay more than a Continental player with similar skill.

Being on a winning squad tends to increase your value. Balotelli was over-priced in my opinion but because he was on a treble-winning Inter squad, and he's young, his market value went up.

Youth, and the perception that you are going to continue on the same skill curve, will make others pay through the nose ... Balotelli is an example.

CretanBull
01-03-2011, 11:37 PM
Being on a winning squad tends to increase your value. Balotelli was over-priced in my opinion but because he was on a treble-winning Inter squad, and he's young, his market value went up.

According Balotelli, he's the second best player in the world :D :eek: :out:

He's willing to admit that Messi is "a little" better.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-City-striker-Mario-Balotelli-has-claimed-Barcelona-superstar-Lionel-Messi-is-the-only-player-in-the-world-who-is-better-than-him-article655505.html

Waggy
01-04-2011, 12:10 AM
OK, I ASSUME that British means English, Scottish, and Welsh .... is it not (this is rhetorical as you've answered it already)? I knew he was Welsh, but I am using the broader British Isles makes my point clear.

I have seen Bale play. The kid has talent. I just think the English media is making a mountain out of a mole and putting A LOT of pressure on this kid. I hope I'm wrong, because he could be a great footballer, he's just not there yet.

You're correct, there aren't many great wingers in the world. Bale is good, but in my opinion, has not achieved "greatness". Time will tell, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just giving you my two cents.

Sorry man, I missunderstood the use of British. I thought you were referencing guys playing for England. Didn't mean to sound condescending at all. I agree that the UK media builds up guys who rock the Lions and figured that was the point you were making. Also I like Bale probably a bit too much


As for Becks... I dunno. When I first heard the rumor my instinctual reaction was to recoil, but the more I think about it the more I'd like him as a sub. Someone to help on the training ground, and come in in late game situations to try and boost the attack. Maybe even re-capture some of that free kick magic.

ACSertL
01-04-2011, 12:49 AM
My German is a little, um "rusty" (as in, I don't speak a word of it) but based on some of the comments made in the forums, I think that they might base their value on reported figures ie if a paper reports that AC Milan offered Man City 25 million Euros for Tevez, then they set his value at 25 million Euros. Which probably is fairly accurate - it at least gives an idea of what value at least one club puts on a player.

I guess that would make sense. I never read the forums at all :lol:

Still it is interesting to know that they have a market value on just about everyone playing in Europe.

trane
01-04-2011, 04:34 PM
25 Million for Tevez???? This means he is worth 50 million. AC Milan's starting point is always a ridicolous low ball. They get away with it by paying the player a huge salary, enticing the player to push for the move.

ACSertL
01-05-2011, 10:55 AM
Galaxy approve a conditional loan deal to Spurs

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/861295/la-galaxy-give-go-ahead-for-beckham-to-tottenham-move?cc=5901

MrHawk
01-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Galaxy approve a conditional loan deal to Spurs

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/861295/la-galaxy-give-go-ahead-for-beckham-to-tottenham-move?cc=5901

And yet, Kranjcar sits on the bench.

CretanBull
01-05-2011, 11:05 AM
Kranjcar among others who are better than Becks too...

Oblio2
01-05-2011, 08:19 PM
We need cover on the right. Nico plays left.

Yohan
01-05-2011, 08:23 PM
We need cover on the right. Nico plays left.
apparently david bentley is not good enough. what does harry think two month stint by beckham is going to solve the RW problem? unless he thinks he can pull a Milan and convince Becks to extend his stay until summer

Oblio2
01-05-2011, 08:28 PM
David Bentley has not performed, keeps getting injured and is a bit of a party boy. Harry doesnt like him. Lennon is a fine winger on the right. Beckham would be good cover and a good Pro for the younger kids to learn from. he spends 2-3 hours AFTER practice, on his own taking free kicks etc ....He'd be good for the kids.
We dont have a "RW Problem"...but extra help, a la Beckham is always useful.
Becks off the bench...Sure, why not.

greatwhitenorf
01-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Apart from the corporate wishes of AEG to make this happen, also have to believe Harry's taking advice on board from Lennon, Crouch, Defoe, Dawson and King, all of whom would have trained or played with Beckham with England.

Yohan
01-06-2011, 03:26 AM
LAG should just sell Becks. he's on last year of his contract, doesn't really want to play for LA.

MLS got what they want out of Becks, which is to put MLS on the footy world. MLS don't need Becks name to draw decent players to MLS now. just sell him and be done with the drama. all Becks is doing is a little bit of drama, taking up a roster spot and a big chunk of salary cap. AEG is rich enough to buy another DP anyways. someone who might produce a little more on the field than off field

TFCin110
01-06-2011, 03:50 AM
I think even you would agree Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribery und Van Bommel is superior as well.

That white jersey team in Madrid isn't half-bad either...

Van Bommel and Schweinsteiger....really?

TFCin110
01-06-2011, 03:54 AM
Becks grandad was a Spurs supporter. Before he joined United he was actually considering joining Spurs. It makes sense that at 35, on a personal level, that he'd join Spurs.

CretanBull
01-06-2011, 04:16 AM
^I don't really know much about Beckham's family, but by his accent I would have guessed that he's a West Ham fan.

torontocelt
01-06-2011, 07:56 AM
^I don't really know much about Beckham's family, but by his accent I would have guessed that he's a West Ham fan.

He used to train with spurs when he was a child before he got signed up by Man U.

Oblio2
01-06-2011, 08:51 AM
Becks grandad was a Spurs supporter. Before he joined United he was actually considering joining Spurs. It makes sense that at 35, on a personal level, that he'd join Spurs.

he was at Spurs.

drewski
01-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Becks grandad was a Spurs supporter. Before he joined United he was actually considering joining Spurs. It makes sense that at 35, on a personal level, that he'd join Spurs.

he was also in playing with Spurs youth system I believe before being snapped up by United

Oblio2
01-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Yep.
Story was, he was at Spurs.....Went to sign forms and Venabales said "So, who's this young man". Beckham wasn't impressed....they went to United for a trial and Ferguson said to him (Paraphrasing) "Oh, David beckam, we know all about you...blah blah blah".....Becks loved that Fergie knew who he was and he signed.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 10:43 AM
Can we please stop talking about Beckham.
In football relevance his time has passed.

flatpicker
01-07-2011, 10:45 AM
^ He's an active player in MLS.
Just because he ain't what he used to be, doesn't mean he can't be discussed.
Personally, I think he still has skills.

tfcleeds
01-07-2011, 10:52 AM
Yep.
Story was, he was at Spurs.....Went to sign forms and Venabales said "So, who's this young man". Beckham wasn't impressed....they went to United for a trial and Ferguson said to him (Paraphrasing) "Oh, David beckam, we know all about you...blah blah blah".....Becks loved that Fergie knew who he was and he signed.

So, even at that tender age, he was a narcissist...

Davenport
01-07-2011, 11:20 AM
^ He's an active player in MLS.
Just because he ain't what he used to be, doesn't mean he can't be discussed.
Personally, I think he still has skills.
An active player in the MLS........that's about it now.
I just wish he wasn't fawned over. As a top player he's done and never did a thing for England.

anto7
01-07-2011, 12:17 PM
An active player in the MLS........that's about it now.
I just wish he wasn't fawned over. As a top player he's done and never did a thing for England.
"never did a thing for England"

Wow, I have heard some pretty ignorant comments before but this is up there with the best of them

torontocelt
01-07-2011, 12:47 PM
"never did a thing for England"

Wow, I have heard some pretty ignorant comments before but this is up there with the best of them

Beckham was crap in that game against Greece...

Oblio2
01-07-2011, 12:51 PM
His Free kicks for England were...fail.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 12:56 PM
Beckham was crap in that game against Greece...

Have a look at that game again and watch how many free-kicks he had just outside the box that he failed with until the last one.
The ref was giving them for fun.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:06 PM
"never did a thing for England"

Wow, I have heard some pretty ignorant comments before but this is up there with the best of them

A good player but over-rated like many of the so-called England "Golden Generation"

England's record with Beckham:

World Cup:
1998 - round of 16
2002 - quarter final
2006 - quarter final

European Championship:
2000 - Group stage
2004 - quarter finals
2008 - did not qualify

No cup winner, final appearance, or even semi appearance.
Hardly the stuff of legends is it ?

Oblio2
01-07-2011, 01:09 PM
How many teams have won the World Cup?
How many great players have not played in, or got to the finals? Does that make the overrated?

trane
01-07-2011, 01:16 PM
Becks was a great player, good vision, great striker of the ball, good overall footy IQ, and toughness. He was never the best player in the world, but in his prime he was world class.

Clearly not the player that he was. But last year he had some good games at Milan, and can cotribute in spots and for spells, just not all season long.

Bluenose13
01-07-2011, 01:17 PM
How many teams have won the World Cup?
How many great players have not played in, or got to the finals? Does that make the overrated?George Best.....Not a bad player me thinks :D

spot-on
01-07-2011, 01:19 PM
Why is it hard to believe. Modric is probably one of the best, if not the Best CM in the EPL right now

Can't say I would put him ahead of Fabregas. I would even rate Nasri higher even though he often plays on the wing.

Bale, on the other hand, is probably the most versatile winger in the EPL right now based on current form

trane
01-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Messi has not been to the finals yet,(unless I am having major memory loss) and if Argentina keeps hiring the likes of Maradona may never be.


[Balotelli on the other hand will be in the finals in 2014 of course]

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:21 PM
How many teams have won the World Cup?
How many great players have not played in, or got to the finals? Does that make the overrated?
8 have won it.
Not too many "great" players have not played in WC Final.
Name some ?
IMHO Beckham was very good...not great.
Winning World Cups and appearing in Finals is the result of great players performing.

anto7
01-07-2011, 01:22 PM
George Best.....Not a bad player me thinks :D
Never played in a World Cup, must have been shit then(according to Davenport's logic)

anto7
01-07-2011, 01:29 PM
8 have won it.
Not too many "great" players have not played in WC Final.
Name some ?
IMHO Beckham was very good...not great.
Winning World Cups and appearing in Finals is the result of great players performing.
Marc Van Basten
Dennis Berkamp
George Best
Dennis Law
Duncan Edwards
Stanley Mathews
Liam Brady
Michel Plattani
Peter Schmeichel
Hendrik Larsson
Johney Gilles
Billy Bremner
Hugo Sanchez

That's just a start

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:31 PM
Never played in a World Cup, must have been shit then(according to Davenport's logic)

Besty was brilliant.

Did I say shit if you didn't play in a World Cup ? (I presume you meant final ). No. I did say he was a very good player.

What I think defines a great player is one who makes a major contribution to the winning of a World Title.

BTW, it's gone off topic.....we were talking about Beckham.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:33 PM
Marc Van Basten
Dennis Berkamp
George Best
Dennis Law
Duncan Edwards
Stanley Mathews
Liam Brady
Michel Plattani
Peter Schmeichel
Hendrik Larsson
Johney Gilles
Billy Bremner
Hugo Sanchez

That's just a start

Good list. There are a couple there I wouldn't class as great.
That word gets used too much.

anto7
01-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Besty was brilliant.

Did I say shit if you didn't play in a World Cup ? (I presume you meant final ). No. I did say he was a very good player.

What I think defines a great player is one who makes a major contribution to the winning of a World Title.

BTW, it's gone off topic.....we were talking about Beckham.
I was being sarcastic, sorry, but he is an example of one of the greatest players in the world who never had an opportunity of playing in the World Cup finals not alone the actual final.

drewski
01-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Hristo Stoichkov

anto7
01-07-2011, 01:37 PM
Oh I forgot, Andy Welsh !

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:40 PM
I was being sarcastic, sorry, but he is an example of one of the greatest players in the world who never had an opportunity of playing in the World Cup finals not alone the actual final.

No worries.
He was brilliant and a hero of mine.

Oblio2
01-07-2011, 01:40 PM
NEVER forget...Andy Welsh

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Hristo Stoichkov
Flawed magician, not great.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:43 PM
NEVER forget...Andy Welsh

He's forgotten Toronto !

http://www.ytfc.net/page/FirstTeam/0,,10673~18832,00.html

anto7
01-07-2011, 01:47 PM
He's forgotten Toronto !

http://www.ytfc.net/page/FirstTeam/0,,10673~18832,00.html
132 lbs...WTF
Can't believe he actually played in the EPL.
Too funny that there is not mention of playing for TFC

Davenport
01-07-2011, 01:51 PM
132 lbs...WTF
Can't believe he actually played in the EPL.
Too funny that there is not mention of playing for TFC
He did well for Stockport and Sunderland took a chance but he was never strong enough and always looked like he need a good meal.
Must have forgot to tell them about his brilliant time here.....

torontocelt
01-07-2011, 01:57 PM
He did well for Stockport and Sunderland took a chance but he was never strong enough and always looked like he need a good meal.
Must have forgot to tell them about his brilliant time here.....

What about Beckhams european cup win with man u? The guy was a world class player for sure, his club record has been world class. Also his game against Greece was a fantastic performance, he ran himself into the ground and if it was not for him England would not have won that match and they would not have went to the world cup. That was a major contribution. He did let his country down on occassions though but really his form at man u was quite exceptional.

Davenport
01-07-2011, 02:08 PM
What about Beckhams european cup win with man u? The guy was a world class player for sure, his club record has been world class. Also his game against Greece was a fantastic performance, he ran himself into the ground and if it was not for him England would not have won that match and they would not have went to the world cup. That was a major contribution. He did let his country down on occassions though but really his form at man u was quite exceptional.
I'm not going to keep repeating the reasons, but he was a very good player, not "world class".
Is "world class" better than "great" in the modern world ?

Brooker
01-07-2011, 02:28 PM
Kiki Musampa and Martin Brittain

CretanBull
01-07-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm not going to keep repeating the reasons, but he was a very good player, not "world class".
Is "world class" better than "great" in the modern world ?

He wasy never the best player in the world, but in his prime he'd make an All-World starting XI. He was in the same class of players as guys like Sneijder and Xavi..not Pele or Messi's, but the group of players that fall just short of them.

greatwhitenorf
01-08-2011, 01:16 AM
NEVER forget...Andy Welsh

We'll always have his cracking header in the misty rain against Houston.

One-nil to The TFC.

greatwhitenorf
01-08-2011, 01:19 AM
Beckham to Spurs.

Spurs to Olympic Stadium Site.

Levy to Lewis:

"We're gonna get our fuckin' shares cashed in!"

torontocelt
01-08-2011, 10:40 AM
He wasy never the best player in the world, but in his prime he'd make an All-World starting XI. He was in the same class of players as guys like Sneijder and Xavi..not Pele or Messi's, but the group of players that fall just short of them.

Beckham has never had the individual skill of a Messi or a Pele, he never really had the ability to beat a man, he was never blessed with fantastic pace either but he did have unbelievable delivery and pin point passing ability. He was a main player at man u for good reason. For me club careers are worth more than international careers but someone who can have both proves their true quality. I agree that Beckham is below the main crop of stars but he is still a world class player in my mind, he is just not an all time legend. The man u midfield at the time ie Giggs, Keane, Becks and Scholes was unbelievable and all done a job. I would class all of them as world class. All had their own skills and attributes, all immensely effective in their own way. It is fair to say that none of them had outstanding international careers when using Davenports standards but could anyone really say that all of them were not great players? They will all go down in Man U history as being some of the best players to have ever played for the club, that for me proves their legitimacy as being 'great' players.

BritSOL
01-08-2011, 10:51 AM
I was being sarcastic, sorry, but he is an example of one of the greatest players in the world who never had an opportunity of playing in the World Cup finals not alone the actual final.

I feel Ryan Giggs would fall in to that category.

CretanBull
01-08-2011, 03:17 PM
Beckham has never had the individual skill of a Messi or a Pele, he never really had the ability to beat a man, he was never blessed with fantastic pace either but he did have unbelievable delivery and pin point passing ability. He was a main player at man u for good reason. For me club careers are worth more than international careers but someone who can have both proves their true quality. I agree that Beckham is below the main crop of stars but he is still a world class player in my mind, he is just not an all time legend. The man u midfield at the time ie Giggs, Keane, Becks and Scholes was unbelievable and all done a job. I would class all of them as world class. All had their own skills and attributes, all immensely effective in their own way. It is fair to say that none of them had outstanding international careers when using Davenports standards but could anyone really say that all of them were not great players? They will all go down in Man U history as being some of the best players to have ever played for the club, that for me proves their legitimacy as being 'great' players.

IMO Beckham stood out above Giggs, Keane and Scholes - all of whom were very good players. Each of them had moments of greatness, but their true value was their reliability and consistent high level of play. Beckham made great plays look routine, which might be why he is under appreciated by some. The guys that you mentioned were all work horses and always looked like they were giving it their all, Beckham made his plays look effortless. Beckham crossing the ball into the box looked like Gretzky making a pass from behind the net...it looked simple, but it required great vision, anticipation and perfect timing to be effective.

Somewhat unrelated, but I read an article about Beckham just after he moved to LA. He ended up being a research subject at Stanford University. After doing a bunch of tests on him, they discovered that there's something about how he's able to transfer energy from his body to the ball that defies conventional sports sciences. He's not the biggest guy, not the strongest or tallest guy, doesn't have the biggest legs but there is something in the way he strikes a ball that has the cleanest transfer of energy that they've ever tested.

torontocelt
01-08-2011, 04:33 PM
IMO Beckham stood out above Giggs, Keane and Scholes - all of whom were very good players. Each of them had moments of greatness, but their true value was their reliability and consistent high level of play. Beckham made great plays look routine, which might be why he is under appreciated by some. The guys that you mentioned were all work horses and always looked like they were giving it their all, Beckham made his plays look effortless. Beckham crossing the ball into the box looked like Gretzky making a pass from behind the net...it looked simple, but it required great vision, anticipation and perfect timing to be effective.

Somewhat unrelated, but I read an article about Beckham just after he moved to LA. He ended up being a research subject at Stanford University. After doing a bunch of tests on him, they discovered that there's something about how he's able to transfer energy from his body to the ball that defies conventional sports sciences. He's not the biggest guy, not the strongest or tallest guy, doesn't have the biggest legs but there is something in the way he strikes a ball that has the cleanest transfer of energy that they've ever tested.

Its funny because I would put Beckham at the bottom of the list when compared with Keane, Scholes and Giggs. For the record if I had to rank them my order would have been:

Keane
Giggs
Scholes
Beckham

All of them offered something different, to be honest you could make an argument for any of them as being the best player.

CretanBull
01-08-2011, 04:50 PM
I'd rank them Beckham-Keane-Giggs-Scholes, with very little separating the bottom three.

Mark in Ottawa
01-10-2011, 12:07 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=capress-soc_tottenham_beckham-5608229

"The Galaxy is reluctant to allow Beckham to go to Europe during a third consecutive Major League Soccer off-season, because of concerns he may get injured. An Achilles' tendon injury sustained while at AC Milan last March kept him out until September."

Nodoubtguy
01-10-2011, 12:11 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2011/01/10/beckham_spurs487_381.jpg

ManUtd4ever
01-10-2011, 12:28 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=capress-soc_tottenham_beckham-5608229

"The Galaxy is reluctant to allow Beckham to go to Europe during a third consecutive Major League Soccer off-season, because of concerns he may get injured. An Achilles' tendon injury sustained while at AC Milan last March kept him out until September."

I don't blame LA for taking this stance. Their golden boy has made nothing but cameo appearances for the Galaxy during his tenure because of injuries sustained while on loan...

Brooker
01-10-2011, 02:39 PM
Interesting. :D


A spokesman for David Beckham has told BBC Sport it is "laughable" to suggest the deal with Tottenham is a ploy to help Spurs move to the Olympic Stadium.

West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady commented about the Los Angeles Galaxy star's tie-up in her newspaper column.

Brady wrote on Saturday: "They may feel he [Beckham] could help their rival bid to ours for the Olympic Stadium."


Explaining the reason behind her comment, Brady added: "The link is this: LA Galaxy is owned by Philip Anschutz - whose company AEG is Tottenham's partner in their stadium bid.
"I admire Beckham as a football champion and I'd hate to see him being used as puppet for AEG."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9353937.stm

Oblio2
01-10-2011, 02:48 PM
Karen Brady is a scumbag

drewski
01-12-2011, 09:31 AM
Galaxy management gasp in fear as Beckham pulls up lame in training

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/864591/david-beckham%27s-blistering-injury-scare

and then breathe a sigh fo relief when its shown to be a blister

Ron Manager
01-12-2011, 01:21 PM
George Best.....Not a bad player me thinks :D

i can't believe we're having a discussion abouts Becks and Best without hearing Georgie's opinion....

"He (Beckham) cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right."

Brooker
01-12-2011, 02:45 PM
i can't believe we're having a discussion abouts Becks and Best without hearing Georgie's opinion....

"He (Beckham) cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right."



Fantastic!

flatpicker
01-12-2011, 02:51 PM
Galaxy management gasp in fear as Beckham pulls up lame in training

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/864591/david-beckham%27s-blistering-injury-scare

and then breathe a sigh fo relief when its shown to be a blister

I find this part of the article rather amusing:
"Thankfully, though, the Spurs medical staff were able to deal with the blister and the incident is believed not to have affected Beckham's chances of sealing a January move."

Fort York Redcoat
01-13-2011, 08:36 AM
Beckham, Landon, and now DeRo wants these ridiculous loans that put us and our league back in the funny papers. I can't wait till this goes away.

At least the Gals managed winning the league with this terrible hamstring of a loan deal. What would we have to do to make up for a loss of DeRo our best point getter for even a few games while he plays for the bhoys?

I suppose I hope Beckham chooses to finish full time elsewhere and we can get on with our league with less of a sideshow.

CretanBull
01-13-2011, 09:50 AM
^ I was against the first Beckham loan deal from the very begining and said that this would happen (other top players get loaned out, making our league look like a joke). If DeRo wants to leave I understand why, but it has to be a transfer not a loan - these deals are destroying the credibility of the MLS.

Davenport
01-16-2011, 04:34 PM
Looks like he's done after this year. Hopefully.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1347608/Tottenham-trainee-David-Beckham-plots-Premier-League-finale.html

flatpicker
01-16-2011, 04:51 PM
Looks like he's done after this year. Hopefully.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1347608/Tottenham-trainee-David-Beckham-plots-Premier-League-finale.html


Inside Beckham's mind:

http://www.vawatchdog.org/08/pix08/AnimatedRevolvingDoor.gif

Detroit_TFC
01-16-2011, 05:45 PM
I always felt DB was a very clever businessman (well, his handlers at least). But this latest loan fiasco seems like a desperate attempt to prop up his brand in Europe. And its been done at the expense of his brand in North America. Bad business.

Roogsy
01-16-2011, 10:47 PM
^ I was against the first Beckham loan deal from the very begining and said that this would happen (other top players get loaned out, making our league look like a joke). If DeRo wants to leave I understand why, but it has to be a transfer not a loan - these deals are destroying the credibility of the MLS.


I absolutely agree.

However, it's the league's own fault. They want "top class" players without paying "top class" prices. I'd like a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota but I ain't gonna get it. We're going to continue being a joke of a league until they sort out that you need the AVERAGE player to be better than he currently is, not just bringing in ageing stars from other leagues.

Whoop
01-16-2011, 10:52 PM
I think one way to let clubs get there is to let them sign their academy guys.

It would take 10-15 years to get there, but it would be better for the league.

Teams would be forced to start academy programs.

Gazza_55
01-17-2011, 01:37 PM
I think one way to let clubs get there is to let them sign their academy guys.

It would take 10-15 years to get there, but it would be better for the league.

Teams would be forced to start academy programs.


Clubs CAN sign their academy players.

scooter
01-18-2011, 08:03 AM
i have to strongly disagree with this line of thought

donovan last year when playing for everton did not look out of place and contributed well to the overall team play

i think thats a feather in our caps that mls players can compete in the epl

beckham may be a bit of a dog and pony show but he put mls on the map in the states and encouraged lots of young players to put on the boots on

also the man can do wonders with the ball and his crosses are second to none

no comment on our ex captain i dont want to start a 50 pager