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Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:10 PM
Since the lists are coming out later today. Let's discuss who is available for TFC to potentially pick up or who is available.


On the eve of the deadline to pick up the 2011 options on contracts, it's become apparent that the Dynamo have informed Pat Onstad, Eddie Robinson, Richard Mulrooney, Ryan Cochrane, Joseph Ngwenya, Adrian Serioux, and Anthony Obodai that their 2011 options won't be picked up.



Dallas not picking up Cunny or Sala

any others which have leaked?

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:11 PM
More


Colorado Rapids will not pick up options on midfielders Claudio Lopez, Ciaran O’Brien and Peter Vagenas

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:12 PM
DC United


D.C. United declines contract options on Pena, Rice, Varela and Barklage. All likely available in re-entry draft

Ossington Mental Youth
12-03-2010, 03:16 PM
no thanks for any of these.
love serioux's commitment but theres no room for him here on the roster or financially

Pinkie
12-03-2010, 03:18 PM
Adrian Serioux

oh please oh please oh please i want him back in a TFC kit!

maninb
12-03-2010, 03:19 PM
oh please oh please oh please i want him back in a TFC kit!


Really?? You want a broken down, injury prone player who'll want some serious money....NO THANKS!!!

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Revs


MORE NEWS: The Revolution declined the 2011 contract options on Preston Burpo, Nico Colaluca, Cory Gibbs and Khano Smith.

DangerRed
12-03-2010, 03:21 PM
So far the list is...

http://www.insidesocal.com/bargain/GarbageTruck.jpg

DigzTFC!
12-03-2010, 03:22 PM
If Josh Wolff is to play in Sporting Kansas City’s new stadium next year, it likely will be as an opposing player.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/01/2491716/sporting-kc-declines-wolffs-option.html#ixzz1757tv6Bb


• Defender Tyrone Marshall will be available in the MLS’ re-entry draft of veterans next week. Hanauer didn’t know if other Sounders veterans would be exposed.

Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/12/02/1459952/montero-gets-contract-extension.html#ixzz1758Rirso

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:25 PM
JPA going 1st overall in the re-entry draft?


Red Bull New York has declined the contract options for forward Juan Pablo Angel, midfielder Luke Sassano, and defender Carey Talley

Stryker
12-03-2010, 03:40 PM
I'd take JPA as a DP for one season and offer Serioux $70,000 for one season.

oxygenatedbrain
12-03-2010, 03:50 PM
The best you can do next Wednesday is Adrian at 96 k + 5%...thereafter, who knows?

jvanpeebles
12-03-2010, 03:51 PM
I agree that Adrian Serioux is often injured but he played hurt with a lot of heart. At the right price I would welcome him back in a heartbeat. Love watching those long throws into a charging Dero.

TFC07
12-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Only if Serioux comes back under $100K.

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Trade


Columbus trades Jason Garey to Houston for 4th round pick in 2015 (not even a bag of balls, more like a roll of tape).

rocker
12-03-2010, 04:00 PM
sad story for Burpo. He broke his leg earlier this season, and now he's dumped from the revs. I wonder if that's it for his career.

DangerRed
12-03-2010, 04:15 PM
I'm all for bringing JPA here for a season for a reasonable price, but I hope we otherwise leave the list alone. You don't rebuild a club using the broken-down remains left behind by other teams.

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 04:19 PM
The first re-entry draft, you get the player at the orginal contract right? The next one is when you can re-negotiate?

prizby
12-03-2010, 04:23 PM
wow, the crapids first trade for Peter Vagenas and then waive him

Yohan
12-03-2010, 04:25 PM
wow, the crapids first trade for Peter Vagenas and then waive him
that happens a lot in MLS, mainly for teams to dump salary

Vagenas sucks anyways

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 05:04 PM
more crap:


Chivas USA has declined the options for two players: Marcelo Saragosa and Alex Zotinca

Yohan
12-03-2010, 05:09 PM
saragosa is actually a decent DM

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Galaxy:


Galaxy won't exercise contract options on Dema Kovalenko and Jovan Kirovski

twistedchinaman
12-03-2010, 05:16 PM
Hmmm...Kovalenko? Not bad a pickup I reckon?

Island Man
12-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Hmmm...Kovalenko? Not bad a pickup I reckon?
I agree, wouldn't mind him at all.

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 05:36 PM
Sporting KC or whatever they are called:


declines option on Josh Wolff. Jimmy Conrad and Aaron Hohlbein are out of contract.

Nuvinho
12-03-2010, 05:57 PM
Full List:



RE-ENTRY DRAFT PLAYER LIST
Chivas USA (http://www.cdchivasusa.com/): Marcelo Saragosa (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/marcelo-saragosa) (option declined), Alex Zotinca (option declined)
Colorado Rapids (http://www.coloradorapids.com/): Claudio Lopez (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/claudio-lopez) (option declined), Ciaran O'Brien (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/ciaran-obrien) (option declined), Peter Vagenas (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/peter-vagenas) (option declined)
Columbus Crew (http://www.thecrew.com/): Frankie Hejduk (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/frankie-hejduk) (option declined), Duncan Oughton (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/duncan-oughton) (option declined), Gino Padula (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/gino-padula) (option declined), Guillermo Barros Schelotto (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/guillermo-barros-schelotto) (option declined)
FC Dallas (http://www.fcdallas.com/): Jeff Cunningham (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jeff-cunningham) (option declined), Dario Sala (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/dario-sala) (option declined)
D.C. United (http://www.dcunited.com/): Jaime Moreno (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jaime-moreno) (option declined)
Houston Dynamo (http://www.houstondynamo.com/): Ryan Cochrane (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/ryan-cochrane) (option declined), Richard Mulrooney (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/richard-mulrooney) (option declined), Joseph Ngwenya (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/joseph-ngwenya) (option declined), Pat Onstad (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/pat-onstad) (option declined), Adrian Serioux (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/adrian-serioux) (option declined)
Los Angeles Galaxy (http://www.lagalaxy.com/): Jovan Kirovski (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jovan-kirovski) (option declined), Dema Kovalenko (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/dema-kovalenko) (option declined)
New England Revolution (http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/): Preston Burpo (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/preston-burpo) (option declined), Nico Colaluca (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/nico-colaluca) (option declined), Cory Gibbs (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/cory-gibbs) (option declined), Khano Smith (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/khano-smith) (option declined)
New York Red Bulls (http://www.newyorkredbulls.com/): Juan Pablo Angel (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/juan-pablo-angel) (option declined), Luke Sassano (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/luke-sassano) (option declined), Carey Talley (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/carey-talley) (option declined)
Philadelphia Union (http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/): Fred Carreiro (out of contract), Chris Seitz (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/chris-seitz) (option declined)
San Jose Earthquakes (http://www.sjearthquakes.com/): Khari Stephenson (option declined)
Seattle Sounders (http://www.soundersfc.com/): Tyrone Marshall (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/tyrone-marshall) (option declined)
Sporting Kansas City: Jimmy Conrad (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jimmy-conrad) (out of contract), Aaron Hohlbein (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/aaron-hohlbein) (out of contract), Josh Wolff (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/josh-wolff) (option declined)
Toronto FC (http://www.torontofc.ca/): Nick Garcia (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/nick-garcia) (option declined)
League Pool Goalkeeper: Chris Sharpe (option declined)

Stryker
12-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Hmmm... a three man backline of Attakora - Conrad - Cann?
Maybe just bring him in for one season to command these guys and instill confidence.
He started 26 games last year and his salary wasen't outragous. We've done worse.

Island Man
12-03-2010, 06:05 PM
JPA, Kovalenko and Serioux please.

Ossington Mental Youth
12-03-2010, 06:06 PM
not one name jumps out at me

twistedchinaman
12-03-2010, 06:09 PM
Hedjuk, eh?

Hmmm, maybe...just maybe...

Stryker
12-03-2010, 06:13 PM
Hedjuk, eh?

Hmmm, maybe...just maybe...
*vomits violently

ArmenJBX
12-03-2010, 06:21 PM
Hejduk, Mulrooney, Serioux, Kovalenko, Wolff, and finally, Juan Pablo Angel.

ensco
12-03-2010, 06:30 PM
Conrad would be a better choice than Serioux. At the right price, ie low 100s.

rocker
12-03-2010, 06:56 PM
Hejduk fell off a lot this year from what I saw. Not the same man. Avoid him.

He's old too.. 36.

I just googled Josh Wolff.. he's 33 ??? shit. I thought he was like 28-29.

Ossington Mental Youth
12-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Old, expensive, injured or all of the above. Cmon guys, we can do better than all these names. People demand huge dps but then shoot low here. Fuck that noise. I wouldn't sign one of these dudes no way.

v00d00daddy
12-03-2010, 07:18 PM
The list is worth a look but I don't know if we should be jumping at any of these guys. They're all fillers. We need a coach and a GM and main pieces before we start looking at teams castoffs to fill holes.

bgnewf
12-03-2010, 08:24 PM
Kinda Sorta Free Agency

http://tinyurl.com/288zvqm

There are some interesting veteran players available in the first round of the MLS Re- Entry Draft next week, if you are willing to pay big money to get them... And I ask if TFC should look to Juan Pablo Angel. Comments always welcome.

ManUtd4ever
12-03-2010, 08:27 PM
Am I crazy for thinking Angel and Schelotto might be worthwhile risks on one year contracts?

Ossington Mental Youth
12-03-2010, 09:24 PM
wouldnt you rather we see two younger more capable strikers?
I dont think thats too much to ask

ManUtd4ever
12-03-2010, 09:42 PM
wouldnt you rather we see two younger more capable strikers?
I dont think thats too much to ask

Yes, but the last time I checked they aren't that easy to come by. ;)

I'm thinking of the short term impact JPA and/or GBS could have on our club next season. Despite their age, they were both among the best performers in MLS last season in their respective positions. I don't know if they're worth DP spots at this point in their careers but if either player would consider 300-400K per season it would be a worthwhile risk...

Ossington Mental Youth
12-03-2010, 10:09 PM
im saying we should and can shoot higher especially having brought in JK etc, hopelessly optimistic, yes but i also dont think we need others scraps, i honestly dont want JPA as our 2nd or 3rd DP at this stage of his career

Yohan
12-03-2010, 11:26 PM
im saying we should and can shoot higher especially having brought in JK etc, hopelessly optimistic, yes but i also dont think we need others scraps, i honestly dont want JPA as our 2nd or 3rd DP at this stage of his career
JPA isn't exactly a scrap in terms of MLS quality

TFC1154ever
12-03-2010, 11:34 PM
Last time i checked, 13 goals in the MLS is pretty decent. He had 11 before Henry got there.

bgnewf
12-03-2010, 11:35 PM
JPA isn't exactly a scrap in terms of MLS quality

In a lot of ways Juan Pablo Angel could be very much a low risk DP signing relatively speaking. There would be no worry about how he would adjust to MLS would there?? By all accounts he was a great citizen in New York.

In a lot of ways he would be very low risk.

In 102 regular season league appearances for the Red Bulls he has scored 58 goals.

Pachuco
12-04-2010, 12:05 AM
I have no idea how JPA gets no love. The man is coming off a pretty good season and we think he's scraps. HAHA, what a joke. Anyways, if he was willing to be a rent a player for 1 year I'd take him. It's all about how much he wants though.

ag futbol
12-04-2010, 12:13 AM
Last time i checked, 13 goals in the MLS is pretty decent. He had 11 before Henry got there.
I'd have significant concerns with making this move. It's not as much of a slam dunk as people are making it sound.

He scored 4 of those goals from the spot. Somebody is going to have to earn those for him here if he's going to put them in the net. Not performing in the second half of the season combined with rumors he's slowing down due to aging / nagging injuries, I'm going to pass. RBNY might have a marketing focus, but they aren't stupid. Doubt they'd let him go so easily if they hadn't done their diligence.

Take the money you'd pay him and go out in the market.

rocker
12-04-2010, 04:22 AM
Angel also took an extremely high number of shots -- and missed a very high percentage (worse than DeRo if I remember correctly).

EDIT -- Juan Pablo's 98 shots on goal led the league... 40 shots on goal. (40.8%). 13 goals (13.2% of total shots went in, 32.5% of SOG went in).

By comparison, De Ro: 15 goals, 72 shots, 36 SOG (50% SOG, 20.8% of total shots went in, 42% of SOG went in).

De Ro goes offside a lot (1.51 times per game). Juan Pablo was worse: 1.67 times per game.

I think NY sees the decline, sees the problems.

[NBF]
12-04-2010, 08:23 AM
1. Adrian Serioux, for depth.
2. Joseph Ngwenya, because he's a decent striker with a lot of experience, I never watched him in MLS last year though.
3. Joseph Smith, probably the same type of player as Jacob Peterson, but he can play Striker and Left winger.
4. Nico Colaluca, versatile player.
5. Dema Kovalenko, good player.

ensco
12-04-2010, 09:01 AM
Maybe we should deal a third or fourth rounder and bring Robbo back - if he would take a reasonable salary.....

Ossington Mental Youth
12-04-2010, 09:17 AM
im not saying JPA is terrible and IN the league we're not likely to find a striker thats capable of competing with a declining JPA (If he plays this year i think youll see a notable difference from last year) but i do believe that we can and should do better

Pookie
12-04-2010, 10:10 AM
I would take Angel but there is a bit of an asterisk with that.

This isn't just about the player, it is about the use of the DP slot. There are only 3 DP slots. If JDG stays and we grab Angel, that leaves 1.

Some rumours are that DeRo might take that last slot.

If the DP trio is Angel, DeRo and JDG, I'm not sure that is the best we could do.

Mind you, I'd support a DP trio of Angel - ?? - ??

Another way of saying it, take Angel and dump the other two.

ArmenJBX
12-04-2010, 10:32 AM
Is it possible to sign Angel to a non-DP contract ala Claudio Lopez?

Pookie
12-04-2010, 10:45 AM
^ the way I read the rules, you can't offer a contract if he has option years left on the contract. If you pick him, you simply take his contract and current terms. That said, after April 1st of next year, apparently you can renegotiate.

But if you are Angel and picked up, you'd have to have some kind of assurance of an extended term in order to want to give up money.

It is probably most logical that if you pick him up, you are bound by his current contract terms.

http://www.prostamerika.com/2010/12/03/mls-unveil-entry-draft-rules-33221/

Yohan
12-04-2010, 11:26 AM
Am I only one drooling at possibility of a DeRo/JPA combo up front?

While I'm all for building for future, but JPA is almost like a sure 12 goal per season scorer. Sure he's old, but I think he's got juice left in him.

Yeah he'll cost a DP spot, but we got 3... And there is no guarantee that any DP we sign will turn out good... well, if our DP signing record is any indication. (league wise for that matter)

DeRo and JPA up front, Barrett has his one last shot to prove that he can score regularly, and Maicon Santos for additional depth and for him to prove himself too. I don't think that's that bad. Surely Barrett or Santos will pan out when JPA runs out of gas or retires after next season.

I'm sick of experiments and hopeful signings. For once I like to have confidence in our strikers

TFCRegina
12-04-2010, 11:32 AM
;1178439']1. Adrian Serioux, for depth.
2. Joseph Ngwenya, because he's a decent striker with a lot of experience, I never watched him in MLS last year though.
3. Joseph Smith, probably the same type of player as Jacob Peterson, but he can play Striker and Left winger.
4. Nico Colaluca, versatile player.
5. Dema Kovalenko, good player.

1. Maybe
2. Definitely isn't a good striker or even decent just based on his goals scored in his entire career. From 2004 to 2010 he netted a grand total of: 18 goals in 114 appearances.
3. Don't know abut who this guy is.
4. See 3.
5. See 4.

rocker
12-04-2010, 11:54 AM
I'm sick of experiments and hopeful signings. For once I like to have confidence in our strikers

maybe that's a feeling born out of an era of having no plan. As we saw before, we had strikers capable of scoring as much or more than Juan Pablo.... but they did it elsewhere. Beyond that example, a guy like Chris Wondolowski can score more goals than JPG at about 2% of the price.

yeah, JPG is probably not a major risk, but at the same time, maybe we're overvaluing the assurance of having JPG. Just put a decent plan in place and maybe we can get goals elsewhere, as most other MLS teams seem capable of doing.

ag futbol
12-04-2010, 12:21 PM
Angel also took an extremely high number of shots -- and missed a very high percentage (worse than DeRo if I remember correctly).

EDIT -- Juan Pablo's 98 shots on goal led the league... 40 shots on goal. (40.8%). 13 goals (13.2% of total shots went in, 32.5% of SOG went in).

By comparison, De Ro: 15 goals, 72 shots, 36 SOG (50% SOG, 20.8% of total shots went in, 42% of SOG went in).

De Ro goes offside a lot (1.51 times per game). Juan Pablo was worse: 1.67 times per game.

I think NY sees the decline, sees the problems.
The connection between these stats and being ineffective is spurious at best. Pipo Inzaghi would have played his entire career in the fourth division if managers gave a rat's ass about racking up an absolute number of offsides. As it stands he'll go down as one of the best goal poachers of his generation.

All missed shots and offsides represent is finite end to plays where a team didn't score. There are tons of ways which this happens (missed passes, bad touches, being dispossessed of the ball).

You need to consider all these statistics in totality when assessing how effective a striker is. By assessing a player based on shots taken and offsides, you're making assumptions based on incomplete data.

I think we'd all agree shooting the ball is a superior event to being dispossessed of it. Shots on net can also lead to opportunities for teammates if the rebound drops in the right place. Offsides can be a function of the passer rather than the player flagged. So the stats are not straightforward.

You don't have to look very far to see top players who take a lot of shots or who regularly find themselves offside. Those factors can easily be mitigated if they are effective doing other things better than the players who aren't finding themselves offside or shooting as often.

From looking at the 2008 and 2009 stats he's always been up there on those lists, as has Dero.

ManUtd4ever
12-04-2010, 12:32 PM
maybe that's a feeling born out of an era of having no plan. As we saw before, we had strikers capable of scoring as much or more than Juan Pablo.... but they did it elsewhere. Beyond that example, a guy like Chris Wondolowski can score more goals than JPG at about 2% of the price.

yeah, JPG is probably not a major risk, but at the same time, maybe we're overvaluing the assurance of having JPG. Just put a decent plan in place and maybe we can get goals elsewhere, as most other MLS teams seem capable of doing.

Irrelevant. Wondolowski is not being traded anywhere anytime soon. JPA on the other hand is a proven commodity and can be acquired without giving up any assets. It's only a matter of his salary demands...

ArmenJBX
12-04-2010, 12:52 PM
1. D.C. United
2. Chivas USA
3. Philadelphia Union
4. New England Revolution
5. Houston Dynamo
6. Toronto FC
7. Chicago Fire
8. Sporting Kansas City
9. Seattle Sounders FC
10. Columbus Crew
11. New York Red Bulls
12. Real Salt Lake
13. San Jose Earthquakes
14. LA Galaxy
15. FC Dallas
16. Colorado Rapids
17. Vancouver Whitecaps FC
18. Portland Timbers

There's the order of the picks. We get pick numero 6, meaning we get a crack at at least one of the "big" names on the list.

rocker
12-04-2010, 12:56 PM
Irrelevant. Wondolowski is not being traded anywhere anytime soon. JPA on the other hand is a proven commodity and can be acquired without giving up any assets. It's only a matter of his salary demands...

Irrelevant to what? I didn't say we should get him. I said that if someone like WOndo can score 18 goals, we shouldn't overpaying for an old player just to assure some goals.

There are lots of guys out there without the name of Juan Pablo Angel, who can score goals, and do it cheaper than the DP cap hit. Like I said, we had capable strikers on this team before... guys who went on to succeed elsewhere.

There are strikers out there in the soccer world.... we just need a good system and team and they will score.

rocker
12-04-2010, 01:02 PM
The connection between these stats and being ineffective is spurious at best. .

where did I make a connection between these stats and being ineffective?

My point is that I don't want another De Ro on the team -- a guy who constantly goes offside and takes field goals all the time. At least JPA is a striker, so you can't fault him for trying.

But JPA strike rate is pretty bad, wouldn't you agree? He took more shots than De Ro and scored fewer goals than De Ro. At a higher price than De Ro. What's the point of signing him?

The fact is, JPA is not the solution to our problems. JPA played on one of the worst teams in the history of Major League Soccer. He played on a cup final team too. I see no correlation between having JPA and winning games.

It's about the team now, boys, not trying to find an old saviour.

romburgundy
12-04-2010, 01:18 PM
CMNT Note:If Onstad is not picked up or worse taken as a backup keeper. That leaves our CMNT with two keepers that don't see much action. Not good at all.

J .
12-04-2010, 02:01 PM
CMNT Note:If Onstad is not picked up or worse taken as a backup keeper. That leaves our CMNT with two keepers that don't see much action. Not good at all.

Thankfully, Onstad is done with the CMNT.

Island Man
12-04-2010, 02:33 PM
CMNT Note:If Onstad is not picked up or worse taken as a backup keeper. That leaves our CMNT with two keepers that don't see much action. Not good at all.

A Serbian keeper who is able to play for Canada, looks set to be called up v Greece, his name is Milan Borjan.

Ossington Mental Youth
12-04-2010, 04:35 PM
where did I make a connection between these stats and being ineffective?

My point is that I don't want another De Ro on the team -- a guy who constantly goes offside and takes field goals all the time. At least JPA is a striker, so you can't fault him for trying.

But JPA strike rate is pretty bad, wouldn't you agree? He took more shots than De Ro and scored fewer goals than De Ro. At a higher price than De Ro. What's the point of signing him?

The fact is, JPA is not the solution to our problems. JPA played on one of the worst teams in the history of Major League Soccer. He played on a cup final team too. I see no correlation between having JPA and winning games.

It's about the team now, boys, not trying to find an old saviour.


yep, well said

TFCRegina
12-04-2010, 04:41 PM
CMNT Note:If Onstad is not picked up or worse taken as a backup keeper. That leaves our CMNT with two keepers that don't see much action. Not good at all.

Onstad is 42. He's finished with football.

We have Milan Borjan, and Lars Hirschfeld who both start and play regularly for their clubs. I don't know where you get this "don't see much action" from.

We have a number of 3, 4, 5, 6 keepers who back up teams or play in lower divisions as well.

ag futbol
12-04-2010, 08:10 PM
where did I make a connection between these stats and being ineffective?.
Basically what i see is: statement A: offsides, statement B: shots on goal, and then you say at the end of your argument how NY sees the decline. What am i supposed to take from that exactly?



The fact is, JPA is not the solution to our problems. JPA played on one of the worst teams in the history of Major League Soccer. He played on a cup final team too. I see no correlation between having JPA and winning games.

At least we agree on something.

Stryker
12-04-2010, 08:33 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Serioux and JPA on one year contracts for the sole purpose of helping make a likely abysmal upcoming rebuilding year into a semi respectable season with a few exciting moments.
They'd just be filler for one season till we get a couple of remaining bad contracts (cough cough JDG) off the books and then we can we could really chase some better players aggressively.

Whoop
12-04-2010, 08:43 PM
The impression I've been given is that Toronto will not be taking anyone.