expansion draft news

[__wowza]

OFFICIAL DRAFT LIST
(by round chosen 1st to last):

PORTLAND TIMBERS:
D Dax McCarty (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/dax-mccarty) (from dallas)
D Eric Brunner (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/eric-brunner) (from columbus)
M Adam Moffat (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/adam-moffat) (from columbus)
D Anthony Wallace (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/anthony-wallace) (from colorado)
D David Horst (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/david-horst) (from salt lake)
F Robbie Findley (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/robbie-findley) (from salt lake)
M Peter Lowry (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/peter-lowry) (from chicago)
D Jonathan Bornstein (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jonathan-bornstein) (from chivas)
D Jordan Graye (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jordan-graye) (from DC)
M Arturo Alvarez (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/arturo-alvarez) (from san jose)

VANCOUVER WHITECAPS FC:
M Sanna Nyassi (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/sanna-nyassi) (from seattle)
F Atiba Harris (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/atiba-harris) (from dallas)
D Nathan Sturgis (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/nathan-sturgis) (from seattle)
M Shea Salina (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/shea-salinas)s (from philly)
F Alan Gordon (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/alan-gordon) (from chivas)
F O'Brian White (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/obrian-white) (from toronto)
F Alejandro Moreno (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/alejandro-moreno) (from philly)
G Joe Cannon (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/joe-cannon) (from san jose)
D Jonathan Leathers (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/jonathan-leathers) (from kansas)
M John Thorrington (http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/john-thorrington) (from chicago)

TFC unprotected:
- estimates based off of maxmimum salary earnings
- thanks to bgnewf for contract info

$0,046,555.55 - Amadou Sanyang [contract continues until 2011]
$0,212,500.00 - Chad Barrett [still under contract until 2012]
$0,133,000.00 - Fuad Ibrahim [contract status uncertain]
$0,040,000.00 - Gabe Gala [contract status uncertain]
$1,717,546.00 - Julian de Guzman [signed a 3 year deal in 2009 - no trade clause]
$0,000,00?.00 - Joseph Nane [under contract - length not announced]
$0,090,000.00 - Martin Šarić [contract status uncertain]
$0,102,250.00 - Maxim Usanov [out of contract at the end of 2011]
$0,040,000.00 - Miloš Kočić [out of contract after 2010]
$0,987,337.50 - Mista [out of contract after 2010]
$0,198,750.00 - Nick Garcia [out of contract after 2010]
$0,182,000.00 - O'Brian White [out of contract 2010]
$0,120,250.00 - Raivis Hščanovičs [out of contract at the end of 2011]

TFC's protected:
$0,065,342.00 - Adrian Cann [out of contract after 2010]
$0,040,000.00 - Dan Gargan [contract status uncertain]
$0,000,000.00 - Doneil Henry [under contract - length not announced]
$0,443,750.00 - Dwayne De Rosario [One more year on current deal]
$0,045,600.00 - Emmanuel Gómez [out of contract 2011]
$0,143,000.00 - Jacob Peterson [contract status uncertain]
$0,069,833.33 - Jon Conway [contract status uncertain]
$0,093,000.00 - Maicon Santos [contract status uncertain]
$0,040,000.00 - Nana Attakora [out of contract after 2010]
$0,000,000.00 - Nicholas Lindsay [under contract - length not announced]
$0,079,500.00 - Nick LaBrocca [contract status uncertain]
$0,135,000.00 - Stefan Frei [contract status uncertain]
$0,040,000.00 - Ty Harden [contract status uncertain]

players in GOLD are protected as DP's (only if they have no-trade clauses)
players in GREEN expire under GA
players in PURPLE are homegrown & protected


LINKS
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/mls-releases-unprotected-list-expansion-draft --> all mls teams protect lists
http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/20...rotected-list/ --> bgnewfs thoughts
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2645 (http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2645)--> cochrane explains why certain players were left unprotected

[Ben - D.O.W.]

anyone heard anything. it's in a few days and i haven't heard anything on who we're protecting yet.

I believe teams have til Monday at 2:00 pm to protect players so I don't expect to hear anything before Monday morning at the earliest. I wouldn't be surprised with 1:55 Monday either.

[P-NUTZ]

do we have all our picks - or are some traded? what positions do we pick?

[TFC Via Buffalo]

do we have all our picks - or are some traded? what positions do we pick?

The way we've been playing, we need all the expansion picks we can! :D

P-Nutz, this is about the expansion draft, not the MLS Draft. I hope we don't have any picks or that says a lot for what the league thinks of us.

[ArmenJBX]

Protected lists are always weird.

I fully expect to see the likes of Fuad Ibrahim and Amadou Sanyang placed ahead of players like Dan Gargan.

[__wowza]

I fully expect to see the likes of Fuad Ibrahim and Amadou Sanyang placed ahead of players like Dan Gargan.

i read that at first and thought it was an actual news item, i nearly said "shut your fucking mouth.." at my desk. having said that, fantasy protect lists anyone?


I believe teams have til Monday at 2:00 pm to protect players

thanks for the update, that's all i was looking for really. i just haven't seen anything.

[Sullivan]

do we have all our picks - or are some traded? what positions do we pick?

TFC don't pick. Only Vancouver and Portland do. Portland picks 1st; Vancouver has 2nd pick. They continue to alternate picks.

see: http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=25030

[Ben - D.O.W.]

I fully expect to see the likes of Fuad Ibrahim and Amadou Sanyang placed ahead of players like Dan Gargan.

I know what you're saying with some valueable players being left unprotected, but I think these typically come with a large salary as a deterent for other teams to pick these players up (Carl Robinson for example - I like the guy but at $300k he'd likely have been safe if we'd made him available last year). If we leave a $40k utility player / fan favorite like Dan Gargan out there I'm going to be so pissed off with this team.

[Wooster_TFC]

Here are my thoughts:

Protected by HG status:

Doneil Henry
Nicholas Lindsay

Protected (at least 3 I)

Julian de Guzman
Dwayne De Rosario
Chad Barrett
Adrian Cann
Amadou Sanyang (I)
Maicon Santos (I)
Nana Attakora
Stefan Frei (I)
Jon Conway
Jacob Peterson
Nick LaBrocca

Unprotected

Nick Garcia
Joseph Nane
Gabe Gala
Miloš Kočić
Mista
Martin Šarić
Emmanuel Gómez
Raivis Hščanovičs
Maxim Usanov
Fuad Ibrahim
Dan Gargan
O'Brian White
Ty Harden

Reasoning

JDG has a no trade clause and must be protected.

DeRo is still viewed by management as the star of this team, and unless they intend to blow it all up, you have to protect your captain.

Barrett is a west-coaster and would likely get snapped up. He's also not someone I'd want to give up for nothing.

Cann, Frei, and Nana all might be going to Europe (not sure on Frei's contract status for next year), but all three must be protected in the off chance that they don't go since they are all MLS level starters.

Sanyang, Santos are really are only two other options for I spots, Sanyang due to his potential, and Santos due to his production. It's possible Santos' loan is up and he's going back to Brazil, at which point you swap him out for Usanov or Hscanovic.

The last three spots are toss ups, but you need to keep Conway in case Frei leaves for Europe, so he takes one spot. Labrocca is a solid mid-level starter/quality bench player on a good contract, so you keep him. I believe that next year we can see the Jacob Peterson that showed up at the end of this year, especially with an off-season of actually being able to train, so you keep him.

As for the unportected list, I wasn't sure about Ibrahim, since I think he has potential, and still has value. The only other two I debated on were Harden and Gargan, but I feel they are somewhat dime a dozen players in the MLS, and could be replaced by someone else should they get picked. Everyone else seemed a no brainer, except for maybe Gomez, but he's a question mark after his injury, so I doubt anyone would pick him up.

[JonO]

Barrett and Cann are both west-coasters and Vancouver would jump at Cann and Portland would jump at Barrett likely. Neither are guys I want to give up for nothing.

I thought Cann was a local boy. I know he played in Vancouver for a couple of years, but I thought he was from Toronto?

[kodiakTFC]

I thought Cann was a local boy. I know he played in Vancouver for a couple of years, but I thought he was from Toronto?

Cann is from Thornhill, so you're right.

[Wooster_TFC]

Cann is from Thornhill, so you're right.

I stand corrected. Updated my post. I just thought I heard something about him having ties out there, so assumed it was more than having played a couple years for the Caps.

[JonO]

It's always a tough call. Personally, the Dan Gargans and Ty Hardens of the league are also tough to give up because they give you a solid bench for low $$. Stoopid expansion draft...

[[NBF]]

Here are my thoughts:

Protected by HG status:

Doneil Henry
Nicholas Lindsay

Protected (at least 3 I)

Julian de Guzman
Dwayne De Rosario
Chad Barrett
Adrian Cann
Amadou Sanyang (I)
Maicon Santos (I)
Nana Attakora
Stefan Frei (I)
Jon Conway
Jacob Peterson
Nick LaBrocca

Unprotected

Nick Garcia
Joseph Nane
Gabe Gala
Miloš Kočić
Mista
Martin Šarić
Emmanuel Gómez
Raivis Hščanovičs
Maxim Usanov
Fuad Ibrahim
Dan Gargan
O'Brian White
Ty Harden

Reasoning

JDG has a no trade clause and must be protected.

DeRo is still viewed by management as the star of this team, and unless they intend to blow it all up, you have to protect your captain.

Barrett is a west-coaster and would likely get snapped up. He's also not someone I'd want to give up for nothing.

Cann, Frei, and Nana all might be going to Europe (not sure on Frei's contract status for next year), but all three must be protected in the off chance that they don't go since they are all MLS level starters.

Sanyang, Santos are really are only two other options for I spots, Sanyang due to his potential, and Santos due to his production. It's possible Santos' loan is up and he's going back to Brazil, at which point you swap him out for Usanov or Hscanovic.

The last three spots are toss ups, but you need to keep Conway in case Frei leaves for Europe, so he takes one spot. Labrocca is a solid mid-level starter/quality bench player on a good contract, so you keep him. I believe that next year we can see the Jacob Peterson that showed up at the end of this year, especially with an off-season of actually being able to train, so you keep him.

As for the unportected list, I wasn't sure about Ibrahim, since I think he has potential, and still has value. The only other two I debated on were Harden and Gargan, but I feel they are somewhat dime a dozen players in the MLS, and could be replaced by someone else should they get picked. Everyone else seemed a no brainer, except for maybe Gomez, but he's a question mark after his injury, so I doubt anyone would pick him up.
WTF.....you smoking keeping Peterson over Gargan? Unless we are guranteed to get one of the centre/right backs from Akron in the draft I would not want to lose Gargan.

*FIXED*

Protected by HG status:


CB-Doneil Henry
AML/ST-Nicholas Lindsay

Protected (at least 3 I)


GK-Stefan Frei (I)
RB-Dan Gargan
CB-Adrian Cann
CB/RB-Nana Attakora
LB- Raivis Hscanovics(I)
DM-Julian de Guzman
DM-Nick LaBrocca
AMC-Dwayne De Rosario
ST-Chad Barrett
ST-Maicon Santos (I)
ST-O'Brian White

Unprotected


Nick Garcia
Conway
Jacob Peterson
Joseph Nane
Gabe Gala
Miloš Kočić
Mista
Martin Šarić
Emmanuel Gómez
Maxim Usanov
Fuad Ibrahim
Ty Harden
Sanyang(I)
That protected list is the best we have for a starting lineup.

[Wooster_TFC]

;1168843']WTF.....you smoking keeping Peterson over Gargan? Unless we are guranteed to get one of the centre/right backs from Akron in the draft I would not want to lose Gargan.

*FIXED*

Protected by HG status:


CB-Doneil Henry
AML/ST-Nicholas Lindsay

Protected (at least 3 I)


GK-Stefan Frei (I)
RB-Dan Gargan
CB-Adrian Cann
CB/RB-Nana Attakora
LB- Raivis Hscanovics(I)
DM-Julian de Guzman
DM-Nick LaBrocca
AMC-Dwayne De Rosario
ST-Chad Barrett
ST-Maicon Santos (I)
ST-O'Brian White

Unprotected


Nick Garcia
Conway
Jacob Peterson
Joseph Nane
Gabe Gala
Miloš Kočić
Mista
Martin Šarić
Emmanuel Gómez
Maxim Usanov
Fuad Ibrahim
Ty Harden
Sanyang(I)

That protected list is the best we have for a starting lineup.

If Dan Gargan is our starting RB next year, we're in deep trouble. At best he's a great bench guy since he comes in at a great salary and can play multiple positions. That said, with a 30 player roster size next year, and 7 subs allowed on the bench, I have less concerns about needing someone who can play 5 positions on the bench. Henry, Garcia, or hell even Ashtone Morgan could contribute as a full back just as well as Gargan did.

You swap out Peterson, Conway, and Sanyang for OBW, Gargan and Hscanovic.

I can see the Conway argument, and would probably agree with that swap if we know Frei will be back. If Frei's already said he's testing out Europe, then you HAVE to protect a second keeper, unless you think Conway and Kocic are basically the same, then you leave them both open, and when one gets selected, you protect the other.

We're already short on wingers, and you want to give up our only real winger. I know that there's differing opinions on Peterson, so I'll just leave it at that.

As for Sanyang, the kids 19 and shows the skill and cojones to be an absolute beast in the middle in 2-3 years. You don't give up on that this early.

That said, Gargan and Hscanovic (and possibly Harden, Usanov and Ibrahim) were the only bunch on the unprotected list that I had trouble listing. That said, there were rumblings Gargan was looking for 100k a year, and the rest are bench players right now, with some promise shown (but still aren't THAT young by any means).

Swapping a few in and out makes the list about the same. If you want to keep one of Gargan or Hscanovic, I'd drop Labrocca before I drop Peterson.

[Oblio2]

Does a No Trade mean you can't be picked up in an expansion draft?
It's a different kettle of fish, no?

[JonO]

^ No. See first post. If a DP has a no trade clause he has to be protected in the draft...

[Oblio2]

Thats sucks.....I was hoping De Guz was gonzo.

[__wowza]

really awesome fantasy draft, not sure if it was posted elsewhere

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2010/11/18/1822701/major-league-soccer-mock-expansion-draft-we-look-into-our-crystal

[Beach_Red]

Cann, Frei, and Nana all might be going to Europe (not sure on Frei's contract status for next year), but all three must be protected in the off chance that they don't go since they are all MLS level starters.




For the players whose contracts end in 2010, like Attakora and Cann, if they don't resign with TFC can they wait till January and sign with another MLS team?

[Wooster_TFC]

really awesome fantasy draft, not sure if it was posted elsewhere

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2010/11/18/1822701/major-league-soccer-mock-expansion-draft-we-look-into-our-crystal

Would have been even better if the protected lists actually followed the rules. TFC's protected list had at most 2 internationals, and it might even only be 1 (Santos) since I have no clue what Kocic is.

[Wooster_TFC]

For the players whose contracts end in 2010, like Attakora and Cann, if they don't resign with TFC can they wait till January and sign with another MLS team?

Before the last CBA, an MLS team held a players rights for 3 years after their final contract with that team. After the CBA, this still holds true I believe EXCEPT when a player is not offered a "suitable" contract (or one at all?) and they have a certain number of years of service, then they go through this thing called a re-entry draft, which is basically exactly like the waiver draft.

I don't think we've really seen one yet, so I'm not entirely certain how it works.

So, they can't just sign with any MLS team, and I think that if TFC offers them a contract greater than their last one, they won't go through the re-entry draft.

[kaos197O]

Barrett is not here until 2012 unless his option is picked up for the 2011 season.

[TFCRegina]

You take Barrett and trade him to Portland, he's a hometown boy. You want to keep him because he has value. We could probably get a high draft pick (becoming less important i know) or allocation money for him. Alternatively we might be able to pick up one of the Timbers' Canucks. They used a number this year. Not sure if they'll be kept on, but you need to be willing to do some horsetrading.

[__wowza]

^ i thought he was from san diego?

[Luanda]

Where is Emmanuel Gomez?



EXPANSION DRAFT RULES

• MLS Clubs may protect 11 players between their Senior and their Developmental Roster. If the Player’s contract expires at the end of 2010, he will still be considered part of the Club’s Senior Roster.

• If a Club protects a player, it is not obligated to exercise the player’s option. It may renegotiate a new budget number for the player as in previous years.

• If a player retires, he will not be a part of the Senior Roster, but his Club will lose its right of first refusal to him should he ultimately decide to play.

• Players on a Club’s Developmental Roster, other than Generation adidas players who have not been graduated at the end of the 2010 MLS Season or Home Grown Players on a Club’s developmental roster, will be part of the expansion draft.

• Generation adidas players who have not been graduated at the end of the 2010 MLS Season and Home Grown Players on a Club’s developmental roster at the end of the 2010 MLS Season are automatically protected (Clubs do not have to use a protected slot on them).

• If Vancouver/Portland select a Developmental Player, it must offer him a Senior Roster position and he must be on the Senior Roster as of Roster Compliance Date.

• Clubs are restricted in the number of international player(s) that they may make available. Clubs may make available a number of international players equal to their total number of international players minus three, provided that if a Club has three or fewer international players it may make available not more than one.

• For purposes of this expansion process,
For US-based Clubs --- any non-domestic US player (players that do not hold U.S. Citizenship or Residency) will count as an International

For Toronto FC (http://www.torontofc.ca/) --- any non-domestic US player or non-domestic Canadian players (players that do not hold Canadian OR U.S. Citizenship or Residency) will count as an International.


• Designated players are NOT automatically protected (i.e., Clubs must choose whether to protect such players and if such player is not protected, he will be available for selection in the Expansion Draft). However, if the Designated Player has a no-trade clause in his contract, then his MLS club must protect him and he will count as one of the 11 players who may be protected.

• Maximum Player Loss: Once two (2) players have been claimed from a Club’s non-protected roster, that Club is eliminated from the expansion draft and may not lose any further players. In addition, once a player has been claimed from a Club’s non-protected roster, that Club may move a player from its non-protected roster to its protected roster.

• Right to Negotiate: Vancouver and Portland will have the right to renegotiate a drafted player’s salary (either up or down) without having to place such player on waivers or giving his previous Club a right of first refusal.

• Priority: On the first day of the Discovery/Allocation Period, each of Vancouver and Portland will have priority over players on its USL roster and one additional player in the USL not on its roster, subject to another MLS Club’s right of first refusal.

• Portland Timbers will select first, Vancouver Whitecaps FC will pick second, and the two will alternate picks thereafter.

• Rounds: The expansion draft will be 10 rounds.

• After each player is selected, his team will be allowed to remove one exposed player from their list. (still looking into this rule, it's not in the official rule guide posted on MLS, but has been in sources elsewhere).

TFC's current roster consists of:
- estimates based off of maxmimum salary earnings
- thanks to bgnewf for contract info

$0,065,342.00 - Adrian Cann [out of contract after 2010]
$0,046,555.55 - Amadou Sanyang [contract continues until 2011]
$0,212,500.00 - Chad Barrett [still under contract until 2012]
$0,040,000.00 - Dan Gargan [contract status uncertain]
$0,000,000.00 - Doneil Henry [under contract - length not announced]
$0,443,750.00 - Dwayne De Rosario [One more year on current deal]
$0,045,600.00 - Emmanuel Gómez [out of contract 2011]
$0,133,000.00 - Fuad Ibrahim [contract status uncertain]
$0,040,000.00 - Gabe Gala [contract status uncertain]
$0,143,000.00 - Jacob Peterson [contract status uncertain]
$0,069,833.33 - Jon Conway [contract status uncertain]
$1,717,546.00 - Julian de Guzman [signed a 3 year deal in 2009 - no trade clause]
$0,093,000.00 - Maicon Santos [contract status uncertain]
$0,090,000.00 - Martin Šarić [contract status uncertain]
$0,102,250.00 - Maxim Usanov [out of contract at the end of 2011]
$0,040,000.00 - Miloš Kočić [out of contract after 2010]
$0,987,337.50 - Mista [out of contract after 2010]
$0,040,000.00 - Nana Attakora [out of contract after 2010]
$0,000,000.00 - Nicholas Lindsay [under contract - length not announced]
$0,198,750.00 - Nick Garcia [out of contract after 2010]
$0,079,500.00 - Nick LaBrocca [contract status uncertain]
$0,182,000.00 - O'Brian White [out of contract 2010]
$0,120,250.00 - Raivis Hščanovičs [out of contract at the end of 2011]
$0,135,000.00 - Stefan Frei [contract status uncertain]
$0,040,000.00 - Ty Harden [contract status uncertain]

players in GOLD are protected as DP's (only if they have no-trade clauses)
players in GREEN expire under GA
players in PURPLE are AG's included in the draft

[Luanda]

Sorry, not enough caffein yet! Found him!!


Where is Emmanuel Gomez?

[prizby]

;1168843']WTF.....you smoking keeping Peterson over Gargan? Unless we are guranteed to get one of the centre/right backs from Akron in the draft I would not want to lose Gargan.

*FIXED*

Protected by HG status:


CB-Doneil Henry
AML/ST-Nicholas Lindsay

Protected (at least 3 I)


GK-Stefan Frei (I)
RB-Dan Gargan
CB-Adrian Cann
CB/RB-Nana Attakora
LB- Raivis Hscanovics(I)
DM-Julian de Guzman
DM-Nick LaBrocca
AMC-Dwayne De Rosario
ST-Chad Barrett
ST-Maicon Santos (I)
ST-O'Brian White

Unprotected


Nick Garcia
Conway
Jacob Peterson
Joseph Nane
Gabe Gala
Miloš Kočić
Mista
Martin Šarić
Emmanuel Gómez
Maxim Usanov
Fuad Ibrahim
Ty Harden
Sanyang(I)

That protected list is the best we have for a starting lineup.


What???
protecting OBW & Hscanovics...???

I don't think Frei counts as an international..doesn't he have a us green card?

Frei
DeRo
JDG
Gargan
Cann
Attakora
Barrett
Santos (I)
Sanyang (I)
Gomez (I)
Labrocca

12th man
Peterson

[__wowza]

protected lists are coming at 5PM.

[__wowza]

onstad just got passed up by the dynamo on the protect list. as a vancouver native, i'm putting my money down on van city picking him up despite his age. that's one outt've 22. also, portland picked up a defender from NYRB for a draft pick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hall

[__wowza]

Columbus Crew

Protected

William Hesmer, GK
Danny O’Rourke, D/M
Andy Iro, D
Andres Mendoza, F
Eddie Gaven, M/F
Chad Marshall, D
Kevin Burns, M
Emmanuel Ekpo, M
Robbie Rogers, M/F
Emilio Renteria, F
Shaun Francis, D

Automatically Protected (Generation Adidas)


Dilly Duka, M

Unprotected

Frankie Hejduk, M – $120k
Guillermo Barros Schelotto, F – $241k
Brian Carroll, M – $140k
Léandre Griffit, M – $40k
Adam Moffat, M – $50k
Duncan Oughton, M – $40k
Gino Padula, D – $40k
Eric Brunner, D – $40k
Steven Lenhart, F – $40k
Kevin Burns, M – $40k
Jason Garey, F – $75k


Houston:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/soc/7306645.html

[Nuvinho]

trade(s) could be holding up TFC's protected list....what do you think?

[Stryker]

Lenhart is a solid bench player on the cheap. I seem to remember sticking a dagger in our collective hearts at some point.

[prizby]

brain carrol to philly for 28th overall pick and allocation

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2010/11/22/1830831/mls-expansion-draft-crew-trade-brian-carroll-to-union-for-draft-pick

[prizby]

Robbie Findley leaving RSL...

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50729963-76/rsl-league-players-season.html.csp

no indication as to who the 11 are, but some names were said as to who rsl protected and didn't

[oxygenatedbrain]

http://www.droppingtimber.com/2010/11/mls-expansion-draft-2010-protected-lists.html

[TFCRegina]

^ i thought he was from san diego?

Strange, one source i have says Portland, the other says San Diego.

Edit: 2 for Portland, 2 for San Diego!

[Stryker]

I see Chicago left Lundberg unprotected. He must have definite plans to go back to Europe.

[prizby]

wow philly fans are gonna go ballistic...Chris Seitz not protected...anyone who was at philly knows how much they love him (LMFAO :p)

[Nuvinho]

wow philly fans are gonna go ballistic...Chris Seitz not protected...anyone who was at philly knows how much they love him (LMFAO :p)

Hahnemann to Philly then next year?

[prizby]

^

XNtTEibFvlQ

instead of shots replace with seitz...every bloody time seitz touched the ball, sons of ben would start chanting it

[deltox]

players unprotected: Barrett, de Guzman, Gala, Garcia, Hscanovics, Ibrahim, Kocic, Mista, Nane, Sanyang, Saric, Usanov, White

[Shway]

Barrett, Chad
de Guzman, Julian
Gala, Gabe
Garcia, Nick
Hscanovics, Raivis
Ibrahim, Fuad
Kocic, Milos (GK)
Martinez, Miguel Angel Ferrer
Nane, Joseph
Sanyang, Amadou
Saric, Martin
Usanov, Maxim
White, O’Brian


Chad is the surprise for me

[deltox]

thats MISTA in the middle there

[Stryker]

This CAN'T be right. Barrett and JDG unprotected?
Mark my words Barrett with 12+ goals and a half dozen assists with new team.
We protected Harden and Peterson? WTF?!?!?

[ArmenJBX]

Oh my :(

Chad Barrett is outta here for sure. One of the two teams are gunna take him
De Guzman too.

We're fucked.

They protected Jacob Peterson, which is good. :)

[deltox]

i think that no one will pay JDG that amount other than us.

seems pretty safe

[kodiakTFC]

I doubt anyone takes De Guzman but Barrett, Sanyang and Saric are probably all gone.

[David_Oliveira]

...
Chad is the surprise for me

It's a catch 22. He has a High Salary and relatively low numbers. I'm not that surprised. It's more for technical reasons than anything. I don't think Portland will want that expensive of a striker. I may be wrong but compared to others in the unprotected lists Chad might just squeak out unscathed.

[nfitz]

I thought DPs were automatically protected ... or did they change that rule.

I'm surprised to see Barrett there. I guess they are giving up on him ... which would give me more comfort if we had any other strikers who could score.

[akoto]

Who the hell is going to take Chad at his price tag? Come on! JDG is safe too. I can't see either team chomping at the bit to take any of those players. Too bad :(

[deltox]

we can only lose 2

[69Chevy396]

Chad needs to go if the team plans on making any significant changes up front for next season. He is simply not reliable enough a striker, and has proven it now over a few years.
I am surprised Nane and Sanyang are on this list; both have a lot of upside, and cost very little, you need players like them to build a competitive team.
Garcia on that list is a joke: he should be dropped from the team immediately. Most of the other guys you can take or leave, including JDG. Nobody would take him for a tenth of the salary TFC pays him, his unprotected status is meaningless, we are stuck with him for another year. Too bad Robinson had to leave, he was a much better tackler and played with inspiration and dedication, traits that JDG left in Spain.

[Redpunkfiddle]

I doubt anyone takes De Guzman but Barrett, Sanyang and Saric are probably all gone.

We can only lose two players tops.

This thread should be merged with the expansion draft thread that has all the rules.

Chad has a hefty salary to take on. Saric? Not great value. Sanyang... Unless he Is really concussed is an attractive one

[Island Man]

Hoping Barrett doesn't leave, I actually rate him. Wish Garcia would go! I think its obvious de Guzman was left unprotected as no-one will pay him that and it doesn't waste of the 11 slots.

[Chevy]

Chad is as good as gone, but nobody will pick up JDG's tab.

[zeelaw]

Shocked to see Barret, hopefully he isnt snapped up.

[jloome]

Sanyang wouldn't count against the cap next year, so they must really want to get rid of him.

No Emmanuel Gomez on the list but Sanyang is? Was he on big bonuses or something?

[69Chevy396]

This CAN'T be right. Barrett and JDG unprotected?
Mark my words Barrett with 12+ goals and a half dozen assists with new team.
We protected Harden and Peterson? WTF?!?!?

Barrett got 7 MLS goals in 23 games. That is why we need to get rid of him. If one of the new teams is stupid enough to pick up JDG, a no-goal wonder who defends without tackling, who rarely works up a sweat even when it is a hundred degrees out, yea, it would be good if this happened, this would be no great loss at all.

[Parkdale]

sanyang (who I think is a decent bench player) is one of the last of the mo / first wave signings, so I can see why they'd consider sacrificing him just to cut ties with that whole camp.

[bgnewf]

Shocked to see Barret, hopefully he isnt snapped up.

Barrett is on that list for one simple reason.... Mo Fucking Johnston.

He is worthy of keeping and I think he will still be here, because of the crazy ass contract that he is on.

[TFCRegina]

players unprotected: Barrett, de Guzman, Gala, Garcia, Hscanovics, Ibrahim, Kocic, Mista, Nane, Sanyang, Saric, Usanov, White

Source, the website has nothing.

[Detroit_TFC]

Portland might pick up home town fav Chad Barrett but can't see them signing him without a drop in salary. It will be interesting to see if going home is worth giving up the $$ to Chad.

[Stryker]

[They protected Jacob Peterson, which is a complete waste :)[/QUOTE]

Fix'd

[Section 117]

Barrett is going to make around 300k next year, I guess management hopes someone takes that salary off the books. Cause he is definitely not worth that at all

[oxygenatedbrain]

Chad's contract is not guaranteed...can be renegotiated,,,

[tfc2007]

So who is protected for TFC?

[Section 117]

Bignewf. You are bang on. Barrett is due to make over 300k and they (TFC) hope he picked up, but I don't either of the teams will

[Stryker]

Barrett got 7 MLS goals in 23 games. That is why we need to get rid of him. If one of the new teams is stupid enough to pick up JDG, a no-goal wonder who defends without tackling, who rarely works up a sweat even when it is a hundred degrees out, yea, it would be good if this happened, this would be no great loss at all.

Sorry that came off wrong. JDG is shite and we all know it. What I meant was that I thought he HAD to be protected because of a guaranteed contract.

[reggie]

is chad from the portland area? if yes he may go.
MO STILL HAUNTS US!!!

[Nuvinho]

Bignewf. You are bang on. Barrett is due to make over 300k and they (TFC) hope he picked up, but I don't either of the teams will

$300K?? wtf!!!

[tfc2007]

... So MLS has a poll of who whitecraps should pick. Garcia is doing well in it. keep voting for him, convince Van to take him!

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/poll-who-should-be-first-pick-expansion-draft

[Nuvinho]

.....but if a team drafts a player they have the right to re-negotiate a contract up or down?

[Darlofletch]

not a bad list really, there's not that many atractive options there, sanyang's probably the best, and kocic. barrett and de guzman are probably too expensive, and I can't see any of the others being desired by portland or vancouver, maybe someone will take a chance on ibby.

as for peterson, not too surprised, I talked with him at the 90th minute party and he seemed pretty confident of his chances of being back next year.

[Stryker]

... So MLS has a poll of who whitecraps should pick. Garcia is doing well in it. keep voting for him, convince Van to take him!

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/poll-who-should-be-first-pick-expansion-draft

You are very very tricky sir.

[Kooper]

The unprotected players I noticed:

Carl Robinson - He would make a good first captain for an expansion team. Yes he is getting long in the tooth but still a good signing.

Greg Sutton - Also long in the tooth but still a strong shot stopper.

Frankie Hejduk and Guillermo Barros Schelotto - They were the basis of the Crew's cup win 2 years ago.

Jeff Cunningham - Way to add insult to injury after Sunday. Still a good striker for an expansions team. Also another way to fuel the rivalry with Vancouver.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

pretty interesting list, only really surprised at de guzman (but not really his salary), Barrett (once again the same but still), ibby, sanyang.

the rest we are prob going to rid of anyways.

anyone want to draw up a list of the players we are keeping?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

bit surprised petersons not there

[kodiakTFC]

Blaise Knufo's family lives in Vancouver, so I'm pretty sure he's heading to the Whitecaps. The only reason he came to MLS is because his wife got a job in Vancouver, Seattle at the time being the only club in the region was probably always just temporary for him.

[CoachGT]

Complete list of all teams' unprotected players can be found here:

http://www.mlsnet.com/news/article/mls-releases-unprotected-list-expansion-draft

[CoachGT]

Chad Barrett is outta here for sure. One of the two teams are gunna take him
De Guzman too.


Both are probably too expensive for expansion teams to take.

[prizby]

Protected:
Jon Conway
Nana Attakora
Dan Gargan
Adrian Cann
Dwayne De Rosario
Ty Harden
Nick Labrocca
Jacob Peterson
Stefan Frei (I)
Maicon Santos (I)
Emmanuel Gomez (I)

Home Grown:
Nicolas Lindsey
Doniel Henry

So 5 defenders and 2 goalies protected...

[Stryker]

Blaise Knufo's family lives in Vancouver, so I'm pretty sure he's heading to the Whitecaps. The only reason he came to MLS is because his wife got a job in Vancouver, Seattle at the time being the only club in the region was probably always just temporary for him.

Ohhhh reaaaaaally? That's interesting. Yeah Vancouver got Knufo they'll pretty much be better than us.
Good lord we fucking suck. :picard:

[TFC OZZ]

Kansas left Jimmy Conrad unprotected (IVES). Although he's 33 with a relatively big contract, he's one of my favourite Centre-Backs in the league. I wanted him a few seasons back, but I think it's worth maybe looking into, maybe we could wheel and deal for him?

[CoachGT]

Couple of trades.

NYRB send Jeremy Hall to Portland for a 3rd round pick.
Collorado sends Baudet and Earls to Seattle for Vagenas.
Columbus sends Brian Carroll to Philly for a 2nd round pick plau allocation.

[bgnewf]

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/11/protected-list/

[London]

RSL must expect findley to take a shot at europe

[prizby]

RSL must expect findley to take a shot at europe

its been confirmed by RSL that Findley wasn't coming back

[prizby]

Protected:
Jon Conway
Nana Attakora
Dan Gargan
Adrian Cann
Dwayne De Rosario
Ty Harden
Nick Labrocca
Jacob Peterson
Stefan Frei (I)
Maicon Santos (I)
Emmanuel Gomez (I)

Home Grown:
Nicolas Lindsey
Doniel Henry

So 5 defenders and 2 goalies protected...

remember after we (if) lose one player, we can protect one more

right now i don't see anyone worth taking a shot on...either due to their international status or $$$

we will find out on Wednesday I guess (anyone know what time?)

[denime]

Toronto FC (@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc))
11/22/10 8:05 PM (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/6876033647120384)
#TFC Unprotected Player list: Barrett, JDG, Gala, Garcia, Hscanovics, Ibrahim, Kocic, Mista, Nane, Sanyang, Saric, Usanov, White.

[kodiakTFC]

One good thing is that they protected Frei and Attakora despite rumors that they are leaving.

[bgnewf]

pretty interesting list, only really surprised at de guzman (but not really his salary), Barrett (once again the same but still), ibby, sanyang.

the rest we are prob going to rid of anyways.

anyone want to draw up a list of the players we are keeping?


http://tinyurl.com/27octvq

Already done

[phonzo]

i answered my question..

still be great if they took de guz and mista :X

[Hitcho]

I would fucking piss myself laughing if the Shite caps took JDG! Then again, given our record of players leaving here and doing much better elsewhere, De Guzman would probably become league MVP and carry the shitecaps to supporters shield and MLS Cup single handedly next season...

Bit surprised at Barrett, but then again he's a work horse that doesn't score all that much but gets paid a lot of money, and we have Santos who looks much better. SO would it matter if we lost him? Lots more cap space available and hustle is easy to replace. I like Chad, but would like to see salary cut down by 100k if he's going to stay.

agree with everyone on the protected list, but only because i met Peterson at the 90th minute and thought he was a fucking top bloke, so that coupled with his end of season revival swung it for me! Harden should stay, and be given a raise.

[Globetrotter]

What is wrong with everyone? Jacob Peterson? Jesus Murphy, if Brian Burke could have included him in the trade to Calgary, he would have.

We want a winner. Jacob Peterson is not the answer, not even a bit part. Wtf.

[Blowing Bubbles]

I hope JDG & Barrett get picked up just so we have maximum flexibility going forward for the new regime.

[ArmenJBX]

What is wrong with everyone? Jacob Peterson? Jesus Murphy, if Brian Burke could have included him in the trade to Calgary, he would have.

We want a winner. Jacob Peterson is not the answer, not even a bit part. Wtf.

ahem.

[ag futbol]

Looks like there are a fair number of trades going down:

Vagenas to seattle
Carroll to Phily
Jeremy Hall to Portland

[Globetrotter]

ahem.

I see your picture; just go into your settings and change it. It's not stuck like that. Pencils have erasers.

[ArmenJBX]

lol.

Jake Peterson will be captain next year. Deservedly :D

[Stryker]

Barrett will be the classic ex TFC player. We stuck through 2 years of crap only to have him flourish right after we trade him. Just like Casey and Buddle.
His movement and crosses increased in quality by leaps and bounds this year. His finishing became more consistent. Even at 300,000 he'll earn his keep next year.
Were it not for injuring his groin (and then re-injuring after that idiot Preki sent him running onto a soaked plastic pitch his first game back) he'd have had three or more goals more than he did and seen double digits.

[ag futbol]

I can't believe NY gave up Jeremy Hall for a 3rd round pick. That's a usable player for the price of a pick that will never amount to anything.

[Beach_Red]

Barrett is on that list for one simple reason.... Mo Fucking Johnston.

He is worthy of keeping and I think he will still be here, because of the crazy ass contract that he is on.

Maybe, maybe not. Remember all the rumours when DeRo was traded here that the league was behind it to get him playing in his home town? Isn't Barreyt from Portland? It's always hard to tell in MLS what decisions the teams are making and which ones are made by the league (especially with TFC which seems to rely on a lot of league input).

[billyfly]

Barrett. When I think about it, it makes sense but at first glance it was definitely surprising.

[Shway]

lol.

Jake Peterson will be captain next year. Deservedly :D

Jimmy you were the same one vouching for "Nick Garcia"

[nimamalek]

Joseph Nane is good smart young player I dont think people realize how well he distributes the ball, he would be a loss down the line

[Blowing Bubbles]

Barrett will be the classic ex TFC player. We stuck through 2 years of crap only to have him flourish right after we trade him. Just like Casey and Buddle.
His movement and crosses increased in quality by leaps and bounds this year. His finishing became more consistent. Even at 300,000 he'll earn his keep next year.
Were it not for injuring his groin (and then re-injuring after that idiot Preki sent him running onto a soaked plastic pitch his first game back) he'd have had three or more goals more than he did and seen double digits.

300k is over 100k more than Buddle is making.

With the ability to have 3 DP's I just don't see how Barrett can be worth 300k ..... for less than 40k more he can be replaced by a DP.

[Mark TFC]

I wasn't expecting to see Chad on there, or even Julian. I personally hope that both of these guys stay.

[Shway]

Joseph Nane is good smart young player I dont think people realize how well he distributes the ball, he would be a loss down the line

agrreeeed

I thought this too.

but i dont believe he will be picked

[rocker]

losing anybody on that list isn't a big deal. I'm a Chad fan to a degree, but if we lost him, it's not a big deal. He's replaceable.

Given that you can pull back 1 player after you lose your first in the draft, the draft has even less of an impact on TFC.

[razor787]

I dont blame TFC for putting Chad and Julian up there. Julian wont get swiped up. Way too much money, and he isnt the kind of DP that any team wants. Out of either team, portland definately wont take him (no point wasting a DP slot AND and international slot) and and the cost will keep Vancouver away too. If they do suffer a brain anurysm and take him, great. Lets us sign a better DP, and gives us more money for other players.

Chad is going to be paid way too much. If another team goes for him, then great. Theres 300k we can put towards a striker with a much better strike rate.

[rocker]

What's happened to Jonathan Bornstein? Is he leaving too so they decided to leave him open? I thought he was a decent player; even got callups to the USMNT.

I assume Portland grabs Alex Nimo from RSL, since he was on loan to Portland.

Dax McCarty would be a good pickup for one of the expansion teams.

There seems to be some decent players available for a single team expansion ... but it's a bit thin with 2 teams picking.

[BeerBaron95]

Dont like that Kocic is unprotected

think he will be a pretty good keeper in the future and its not like Frei will stick around forever.

Barrett might be gone... I can see 1 of the 2 teams spending a liol more than they want to secure a goal scorer(streaky as he may be)... so he should have been protected

I would keep Saric... he plays the role he was brought in for... which is more than i can say for alot of others on that list

[oxygenatedbrain]

Bornstein to Tigres in Mexico...

[Toronto Ruffrider]

In my opinion, both Barrett and de Guzman are safe. I really liked the way Barrett played this season, but his salary for 2011 will be way too high in relation to his skill level. Similarly, de Guzman is simply making way too much money for what he brings to the table. As a Canadian player, Vancouver might be tempted to take him, but the 'Caps already have Terry Dunfield, so signing de Guzman would seem to be redundant. In addition, the Whitecaps signed Jay DeMerit, and I doubt they will go with two defensive DPs.

EDIT: I'm not entirely sure DeMerit will be a DP, since I can't find an article in which this is stated. I assume DeMerit was signed as a DP since this was the rumour a while back.

[Big Bruva]

I doubt anyone takes De Guzman but Barrett, Sanyang and Saric are probably all gone.

Yeah they left Julian unprotected assuming no club is gonna be willing to take on his contract.

[Big Bruva]

Chad needs to go if the team plans on making any significant changes up front for next season. He is simply not reliable enough a striker, and has proven it now over a few years.
I am surprised Nane and Sanyang are on this list; both have a lot of upside, and cost very little, you need players like them to build a competitive team.
Garcia on that list is a joke: he should be dropped from the team immediately. Most of the other guys you can take or leave, including JDG. Nobody would take him for a tenth of the salary TFC pays him, his unprotected status is meaningless, we are stuck with him for another year. Too bad Robinson had to leave, he was a much better tackler and played with inspiration and dedication, traits that JDG left in Spain.

Im not shocked at Nane but shocked at Sanyang being on there.

[Stryker]

Yeah they left Julian unprotected assuming no club is gonna be willing to take on his contract.

LOL! Yeah thats it.
Reality check - your boy fucking SUCKED this year.

[Yohan]

there are a lot of good MLS players on that unprotected list...

[CretanBull]

I doubt anyone takes De Guzman but Barrett, Sanyang and Saric are probably all gone.

I doubt that we'll lose anyone. De Guzman and Barrett make too much money, and Portland and Vancouver will want to use their international slots/salary cap space on their own finds...they have to be confident that they can uncover their own versions of Sanyang and Saric.

If anything, I think we might lose someone like Gala to Vancouver if they're worried about Canadian content. If they're not worried about that, we probably won't lose anyone.

[BASE]

The unprotected players I noticed:

Carl Robinson - He would make a good first captain for an expansion team. Yes he is getting long in the tooth but still a good signing.

Greg Sutton - Also long in the tooth but still a strong shot stopper.

Frankie Hejduk and Guillermo Barros Schelotto - They were the basis of the Crew's cup win 2 years ago.

Jeff Cunningham - Way to add insult to injury after Sunday. Still a good striker for an expansions team. Also another way to fuel the rivalry with Vancouver.

Carl Robinson was sitting on a 4 year $300,000 + guaranteed salary since 2007. TFC actually paid $200,000 + of his salary this past season. At that price point he was one of the biggest flops in all of MoJo's tenure. Before Robinson supporters take issue, I realize he was a classy guy and good leader but was overpaid by MLS standards. No one will touch him in the expansion draft.

That said TFC has cleared $200,000 off their books for 2011.

[BASE]

[quote=rocker;1170543]What's happened to Jonathan Bornstein? Is he leaving too so they decided to leave him open? I thought he was a decent player; even got callups to the USMNT.

quote]

Bornstein announced he had signed with Tigres in Mexico several months ago for 2011.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

agrreeeed

I thought this too.

but i dont believe he will be picked

I really gotta seriously disagree with you guys, he did begin to look better but overall was a disaster on the field, he had no first touch and his passing 80% of the time was horrific, i dont see him getting picked and i see us dropping him (for someone more useful).

[Ossington Mental Youth]

That said TFC has cleared $200,000 off their books for 2011.

dont forget we had a ton of allocations, should be interesting to see how much we have when all is said and done

[scut farkus]

I really gotta seriously disagree with you guys, he did begin to look better but overall was a disaster on the field, he had no first touch and his passing 80% of the time was horrific, i dont see him getting picked and i see us dropping him (for someone more useful).

+1
Sometimes it feels like people saw a different person on the field than I did!

[Lucky Strike]

Im not shocked at Nane but shocked at Sanyang being on there.

Not really in my mind - Sanyang (along with Gomez) were signed on two year deals before the 2009 season. They are currently out of contract unless a new one has been signed and we haven't been told yet.

To me the bigger surprise is that Gomez is protected given this status. However, upon further reflection, he was one of the breakout players in 2009. He had a bad knee injury so if I were manager, I'd offer an extra year, see if he can regain his good form. Perhaps something similar is going on?

[Oldtimer]

I believe Chad is from Portland and would love to be moved there for that reason, it's a bit of clever business to dangle his expensive contract out there! Earl is to be commended.

Same thing with JDG. A great player but in the wrong league, he is overpriced for what he can do in MLS. You never know, Vancouver might take a flyer on him. It's very interesting that JDG is on the list, it means that he doesn't have a no-trade clause in his contract (which would make protecting him mandatory).

[Lucky Strike]

Overall, here's how I see it:

Barrett, Chad: The one real risk of being picked. He makes 212K (or some people saying it's now 300K?) but can be counted on for 10 goals and I saw massive (and that's probably under-selling it) improvement from him in 2010.
de Guzman, Julian: Unprotected because no one would pay him what TFC pays. Secretly, I'm sure there's at least one person in TFC management who hopes someone is a sucker.
Gala, Gabe: I would have said Vancouver might pick him because of his decent skill, very low price and Canadian status, but that last criterion no longer applies. I'd be surprised if he were picked - lightly disappointed too.
Garcia, Nick: I never thought I'd say this, but I'm 50/50. Really depends on which Nick Garcia is on this list. Regardless, he makes 190K and that's way too much. I'd be happy to have him gone, even his not disastrous alter ego.
Hscanovics, Raivis: Please take him!
Ibrahim, Fuad: Would be disappointed to see him leave. Promising youngster who we will know more about when he plays in the reserve league.
Kocic, Milos (GK): Liable to be taken as an intended backup/understudy to amore veteran guy. The other real risk aside from Barrett.
Martinez, Miguel Angel Ferrer: Out of contract anyway, and he wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Nane, Joseph: Not the most talented guy but he did have some good displays I wouldn't expect from a fourth round pick. Also had some lesser games which is to be expected. Like Gala, I'd be somewhat disappointed were he picked because you need this type of lowly paid, decent-and-can-fill-a-role-temporarily type of guys.
Sanyang, Amadou: Out of contract and has a concussion. Probably on here because he still hasn't fully recovered and TFC is betting that no one will want to take the chance that he'll never recover.
Saric, Martin: Don't really know what to say here - decent player, decent price. I'd imagine he'd be replaceable if picked. Probably the exact reason why he won't be either - you can find many.
Usanov, Maxim: Like Saric, I'm mixed. He had some good games and some bad ones. Probably a decent/good backup option at RB but probably not for 100K which is why I'd be surprised if he were picked. He may also be out of contract.
White, O’Brian: I wish I could say he'll develop but he's 24. I think this is probably the clumsiest-looking player we've ever had. Is on a retarded amount of money (170K or something). I think it's GA money, but who knows? Can't see him being chosen. We're stuck with him.

[Ben - D.O.W.]

Just going through this thread now and I gotta say I agree with the posters saying if we lose Barrett that he's going to be the next TFC player to leave and starting to perform. If you look at this performance in 2009 and 2010 it looks to me like he's starting to find his place here (despite the injury this season). He's the one player on the list I'd actually be disappointed if we lost.

[Hitcho]

Is there a verifiable list of when players' contracts expire? I am hoping that Nick Garcia is out of contract now and we'll never have to suffer him again. Same goes for Robbo's contract - are we now definitely shot of the $200k we had to pay him to play for the Shite Bulls as everyone seems to think we are?

Would be very interested to see a list of TFC player contract expiry dates.

In terms of expansion draft, I hope the shitecaps take JDG just so we can re-build without him on the books bagging down the salary cap hit. After that I'd like to see another expensive waste of cap space get taken - hscanovics, usanov (what the fuck were people thinking signing those guys to those contracts?!), OBW, and ibrahim would be my top four wasted salary spots. Hopefully we'll get lucky and trade away those guys if they are not picked in the expansion draft!

And yeah, would like to see us keep Barrett, he's getting better, hustles the shit out fo teams and plays with commitment and passion, is versatile for a forward and provides a good alternative to a more silky forward that might get knocked off the ball. If his salary is 212k then I say definitely keep him and hope he doesn't get nabbed in the draft.

Ideal scenario - shitecaps take JDG, we get to protect one more player (Chad) and then OBW/hscanovics/usanov get taken as our second expansion loss.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Ibby was a GA until now, so no salary counted, as a result im certain we can renegotiate (successfully) for this just turned 18 year old developing kid, give him a year at 40K, if he doesnt do well, rid of him

[ManUtd4ever]

I have mixed feelings regarding the decision to expose Barrett. I firmly believe his best years are still ahead of him. Unfortunately, his production has not justified his excessive salary despite his marked improvement last season. Barrett has also been prone to injury throughout his tenure with TFC.

Nonetheless, I feel the more prudent decision would have been to protect him given our lack of depth at the striker position. In the event that a superior striker is acquired Barrett could always be traded for assets in the future. I agree with the notion that if Chad goes it will be a case of yet another departed striker finding his form elsewhere...

[Stouffville_RPB]

Same thing with JDG. A great player but in the wrong league, he is overpriced for what he can do in MLS. You never know, Vancouver might take a flyer on him. It's very interesting that JDG is on the list, it means that he doesn't have a no-trade clause in his contract (which would make protecting him mandatory).

No way Vancouver takes a $3m flyer.

It doesn't matter that JDG doesn't have a no trade clause either because no one in their right minds would trade anything valuable for a DP DM.

[__wowza]

first post update with wage info.
im also calling it, barrett and onstad to portland.

[deltox]

if u look at the unprotected list, i wouldnt be surprised if TFC keeps all their players.


theres a lot better players out there than what we are offering

[Pachuco]

I have mixed feelings regarding the decision to expose Barrett. I firmly believe his best years are still ahead of him. Unfortunately, his production has not justified his excessive salary despite his marked improvement last season. Barrett has also been prone to injury throughout his tenure with TFC.

Nonetheless, I feel the more prudent decision would have been to protect him given our lack of depth at the striker position. In the event that a superior striker is acquired Barrett could always be traded for assets in the future. I agree with the notion that if Chad goes it will be a case of yet another departed striker finding his form elsewhere...

Completely agree with this post. This is exactly how I feel.

[__wowza]

JDG does have a no trade clause. so unless he waived it to the tune of an MLSE suit walking up to him and saying "listen, no one's going to pick you up for your salary which is half of the league cap unless they plan on making you a DP there. you won't get paid any less and we can protect someone else. throw us a bone".

if that's the case, class act on putting his arse on the line during tribal council so we could save someone else.

[TFCRegina]

JDG does have a no trade clause. so unless he waived it to the tune of an MLSE suit walking up to him and saying "listen, no one's going to pick you up for your salary which is half of the league cap unless they plan on making you a DP there. you won't get paid any less and we can protect someone else. throw us a bone".

if that's the case, class act on putting his arse on the line during tribal council so we could save someone else.

LMAO

[Azerban]

first post update with wage info.
im also calling it, barrett and onstad to portland.

onstad will retire a dynamo, lol if vancouver drop their pick on a 52 year old goalkeeper

e: holy shit i glazed when i saw onstad why would an american team need him that is even more absurd

[Fort York Redcoat]

onstad will retire a dynamo, lol if vancouver drop their pick on a 52 year old goalkeeper

e: holy shit i glazed when i saw onstad why would an american team need him that is even more absurd

I'm sure there's some old 86ers fans that would love to see him come home.

[__wowza]

onstad will retire a dynamo, lol if vancouver drop their pick on a 52 year old goalkeeper


I'm sure there's some old 86ers fans that would love to see him come home.

oldest player in the MLS? yup.
getting picked in the draft? probably not.
retiring in vancouver instead of houston? hell yes.

you have a man with wealth of experience, who even in the first seasons would be able to command a magnificent back line, and you're telling me that the vancouver native would retire in houston? i understand he's 42, but he's got at least 2 more plausible years left in him. afterwards he's your goalkeeping coach with all the MLS action he's seen.

[Oblio2]

I hope Chad stays. I like him.....JDG on the other hand can go and Do One.....
Waste of time, space and money.

[Pookie]

Just for fun, don't look too deeply at our protected list and assume it equals a line up for 2011.

The 2009 PROTECTED Players from Toronto FC were:


Attakora-Gyan, Nana
Barrett, Chad
Brennan, Jim
Cronin, Sam
de Guzman, Julian
DeRosario, Dwayne
Gomez, Emmanuel
Sanyang, Amadou
Serioux, Adrian
White, O'Brian
Wynne, Marvell

3 of 'em were traded and 1 retired.

[Oldtimer]

Just for fun, don't look too deeply at our protected list and assume it equals a line up for 2011.



Well, "Trader Mo" is gone, so hopefully we won't have more turnover than is necessary.

[__wowza]

3 of 'em were traded and 1 retired.

interesting indeed. we also didnt lose anyone in that draft, but its odd to see who FO puts their faith in.

[Pookie]

The UNPROTECTED list from '09 is even more interesting:


Edwards, Brian
Fellinga, Lesly
Garcia, Nick
Gerba, Ali
Guevara, Amado
Robinson, Carl
Vitti, Pablo
Gala, Gabe

... only 2 came back.

Interstingly, the NYRBs left Robinson unprotected again this year.

[Juanito]

I doubt anyone will pick De Gúzman. Here's hoping though ...

[Juanito]

I hope Chad stays. I like him.....JDG on the other hand can go and Do One.....
Waste of time, space and money.

I agree. Chad at least looks like he cares. Can't say the same for De Poopman.

[Hitcho]

De Poopman

:smilielol5:

I know it's childish and degrading to our DP, but my god that's funny!! :D

[Hitcho]

So - anyone got any scoops on TFC player contract lengths and when they are set to expire? Does the league make this info available?

[Pookie]

So - anyone got any scoops on TFC player contract lengths and when they are set to expire? Does the league make this info available?

bgnewf wrote about this awhile back:

Under Contract For 2011


Chad Barrett – Still under contract until 2012
Julian de Guzman – signed a three year deal in 2009
Dwayne De Rosario – One more year on current deal
Emmanuel Gomes – Signed to a deal of at least two years in length in April 2009. Unsure if it expire at the end of this season or not
Doneil Henry – Homegrown player under contract – length of deal not announced
Raivis Hscanovics – Out of contract at the end of 2011
Nicholas Lindsey – Homegrown player under contract – length of deal not announced
Amadou Sanyang – Signed to a deal of at least two years in length in April 2009. Unsure if contract expires at the end of this season or continues into 2011
Maxim Usanov - Out of contract at the end of 2011
O’Brian White – Signed to a deal of at least two years in length in January 2009. Unsure if contract expires at the end of this season or not
Out Of Contract


Nana Attakora – Out of contract I believe
Adrian Cann – Deal expires at year end
Nick Garcia – Out of contract at the end of the season
Milos Kocic – On loan, under contract until the end of 2010
Mista – Out of contract at the end of the season
Contract Status Unclear


Gabe Gala – Unsure of his contract status
Jon Conway – Unsure of his contract status
Stefan Frei – Last year of Generation Adidas eligibility I think
Dan Gargan – Unsure to the length of his deal
Ty Harden – Unsure of status
Fuad Ibrahim – Unsure of status
Nick LaBrocca – Unsure of his contract status
Joseph Nane – Signed a contract in April of this year. Unclear as to the length of the deal
Jacob Peterson – Unsure of his contract status
Maicon Santos – Still technicaly on loan from his Brazilian club. Unsure of 2011 status
Martin Saric – Unsure of contract status after this season

[__wowza]

check the first post hitcho, im going with what ive found on top of bgnewfs findings (he blogged about it earlier on in the year)

[Pigfynn]

This is Chad Barrett's option year coming up, he told me on Sunday night. I think he wants to stay but TFC don't have keep him.

[Section 117]

Chad is due to make a shit load of cash this year we are talking over 300k from what I have been told. I like Chad as a player but to give him that kind of cash and your return on investment is 7 goals and hurt for a good portion of the year it doesn't look good IMO.

Here is hoping that either Portland and or Vancouver pick him up. In a cap league it is not prudent paying players a large sum of money and getting very litrtle in return. This is what Mo did and look where that got us....

[razor787]

TFC could renegotiate. If it's option year, they can say right out they want to keep him, but for a cheaper price. He can either take less money and stay, or leave, and not know when he will get picked up, and also take less money. I dont think we have seen the last of Chad. He will stay with a extended contract with a pay cut

[__wowza]

i really really like barrett. he's a standup guy who seems to have really found a home here, so it'd suck to see him go. he and santos make a killer combination (like i've said numerous times), and adding someone who likes taking the ball wide to stretch out play would likely benefit the duo immensely.

there's really no place to go but up for chad if he can stay healthy (it's our fault for bringing him back so soon the last time he was injured).

[Pookie]

^ therein lies the rub. Decent player with a history of injuries. Makes it hard to keep a player like that, at his salary level, in a cap system.

[Shway]

Portland

1) McCarty (DAL)

2) Wallace (COL)

3) Sturgis (SEA)

4) Nimo (RSL)

5) Schuler (RSL)

6) Ward (SJ)

7) Thomas (SKC)

8) Sassano (NY)

9) Ashe (HOU)

10) Sinovic (NE)

Vancouver

1) De Guzman (TFC) 1,670,796.00

2) Nkufo (SEA) 480,000

3) Davies (DAL) 57,500

4) Onstad (HOU) 181,650

5) Griffit (CLB) 40,008

6) Salinas (PHI) 40,000

7) LaBauex (COL) 40,000

8) Padilla (CHV) 48,000

9) Lowry (CHI) 40,000

10) Ubiparipovic (NY) 40,000

that is a ton of salary cap the whitecaps would have to be willing to take a hit on

EDIT: after looking at the salaries, i now think that it is possible for De Guzman to leave

[razor787]

^ therein lies the rub. Decent player with a history of injuries. Makes it hard to keep a player like that, at his salary level, in a cap system.

He had one noteworthy injury, that was prolonged by returning him too soon. Thats not really a history, thats just an athlete getting hurt, it will happen to anyone. Its not like he is injury prone.

Again, his wage may be set for 300k, but we have the option to extend the contract. If we dont want to pay it, we can tell him to take a hike, which also means that we can ask him to play for less money. No other team is going to take him for 300k, so odds are we will renegotiate his contract, and pay him less (he will be paid less anywhere else, so no reason to pack up, and find a new house), and extend his contract.

Now that we have a capable GM (i dont even know who it is yet, but anyone other than mo i consider capable) we will see that type of thing happen.

[ArmenJBX]

Will 'Caps Take a Gamble? (http://www.rednationonline.ca/Will_Caps_take_a_gamble_november_23_10_article.sht ml)

In this RedNationOnline feature, I take a look at exactly who Vancouver should take a look at, and ultimately, round up the best possible options per team for the Vancouver Whitecaps.

[Stryker]

If Vancouver took White and De Guzman I'd dance a friggin jig on my coffee table.

[Auzzy]

Not sure if this was already mentioned somewhere. Short interview from today, with Cochrane, about the expansion draft & the protected/unprotected lists. Among other info, apparently Klinsmann had some input.

http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2645

[pekduck]

^
did Klinsmann suggested to put DeGuz on the unprotected citing the de guz he saw in Hannover 96 is nowhere to be found here?

[Auzzy]

Well, supposedly leaving Barrett and JDG unprotected is a "calculated gamble" and they would like to keep them both. Of course, Cochrane would also be smart to say that even if it isn't quite true, to keep up their morale in case Portland & Vancouver don't take them.

[pekduck]

Well, supposedly leaving Barrett and JDG unprotected is a "calculated gamble" and they would like to keep them both. Of course, Cochrane would also be smart to say that even if it isn't quite true, to keep up their morale in case Portland & Vancouver don't take them.

on serious note, yes

in dreamland, i wished klinnsman said put barrett out and i can get you klose :D

[BS1327]

on serious note, yes

in dreamland, i wished klinnsman said put barrett out and i can get you klose :D

That would be byfar the second greatest (after Bastian Schweinsteiger) signing of all time :p

I'm actually kind of hoping de Guzman gets picked up by Vancouver! Could you imagine the TO REJECT chant!!!

[Auzzy]

on serious note, yes

in dreamland, i wished klinnsman said put barrett out and i can get you klose :D

I fully endorse that plan. I would be OK with giving Podolski a trial as while. :D

[__wowza]

He had one noteworthy injury, that was prolonged by returning him too soon. Thats not really a history, thats just an athlete getting hurt, it will happen to anyone. Its not like he is injury prone.

i also have to say that from an athlete's perspective, a hamstring is NOT a sports injury. it's a pull or a strain, but it's not something that 20 years from now will have him sitting on his porch thinking "hmm... it's gonna rain.."

[__wowza]

HAHAHAHAHA. STICK IT TO US VANCOUVER, PLEASE!!
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/kick-vancouvers-draft-surprise-nery-mexico

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/predicting-expansion-draft --> mock expansion draft too

also, first post updated with why cochrane left certain players unprotected. here's the link (first post is just to organize it all so you dont have to go through 5 pages to find it) http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2645

we also got a nice little shout out:

"Whether or not those hopes are met will go a long way toward how successful the Timbers and Whitecaps are out of the gate. The most recent expansion teams, Philadelphia Union (http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/) and the Sounders, made themselves competitive from day one with good drafts. Their predecessors weren’t as sagacious, digging themselves a hole that, in each case, has required several roster overhauls. Avoiding that will be priority No. 1 for the Portland and Vancouver brain trust."

[reggie]

why so much hate for JDG on here?
from what i seen this last season he works his ass off,too bad he was surounded by shite...what time is the draft today?

[__wowza]

why so much hate for JDG on here?
from what i seen this last season he works his ass off,too bad he was surounded by shite...what time is the draft today?

too bad he's shite. it's around 1:45 (presser) so it should start around 2.

[reggie]

thx for the info....but he was not shite when he played in spain or for canada in the past.

[TFCRegina]

thx for the info....but he was not shite when he played in spain or for canada in the past.

You ever see his backpass against Brazil?

[reggie]

You ever see his backpass against Brazil?
thats a really stupid comment......did u see the goal he scored in that game,the 2 great goals he scored vs costa rica in the gold cup...and he was mvp for his team in spain,i heard its not a bad league.

[Stouffville_RPB]

I've seen better from JDG. He's on a lot of money and he pulls out of challenges too often.

For a player that has done so much in Spain and internationally he seems not up to MLS. That's where the hate on JDG comes from.

[reggie]

hey...i wouldnt be pissed if he got picked up today,thats alot money for a DM.
we need to spend that money on a #10 and a striker.

[__wowza]

i have no "hate" against him per say.
i'll call a spade a spade however.

he was wonderful in the dutch league (i've seen clips) and in some canadian matches, but he's not worth his weight here. we're paying him too much and i genuinely believe that he can't compete on the MLS level. i hope he makes me eat those words if he finds form here, but i wouldn't know a whole lot of people who'd be saddened by his leaving.

funny enough, the way it's being promoted on the MLS website is if van city is going to fire the proverbial "first shot" in a rivalry with by picking him up. again, i'd know a lot of people who'd be thankful to the whitecaps if he gets picked up. we'd also be able to play it off as "well.. it's the TFC curse" if he goes and finds his form over there. only time will tell.

[dupont]

I have a feeling we will regret it if he gets picked by Vancouver. I still believe that if he was playing on a team with a good system that is well rounded he would do very well. TFC seemed too scattered all last season to use the type of player he is effectively. I'm not saying he has done well here so far but I can't help but see some other team using him effectively. We can too if we just get a solid team together.

[bigtfcfan]

I would hate it if JDG plays for Vancouver. I still think with a proper coach he could do well here.

[Pookie]

I would hate it if JDG plays for Vancouver. I still think with a proper coach he could do well here.

He could get picked but the bigger question is would he play?

Heart is in Europe (as is his family apparently). He isn't hurting in the pocketbook. Does he pack up and move to the West coast or simply try to force a transfer or even retire?

[Oblio2]

he has no heart...So, he needs to go to Kansas and look for the Wizard to give him one :)

[deltox]

no wizards there anymore:)

[Oblio2]

So, my overal point is...he's F'd.

[deltox]

just think of the type of player we can get if we dont pay JDG

[__wowza]

just think of the type of player we can get if we dont pay JDG

he's not on our salary cap, but i get what you're saying.
i actually just said to myself "imagine the type of player we can get if we don't pay for o'brain white or fuad ibrahim"

[deltox]

well 400,000 or so is on the cap right.

plus the DP money could be better spent

[Parkdale]

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/11/live-expansion-draft-coverage

ready for the coverage

[Parkdale]

side note: I should run out to by a JDG jersey. I'm cursed with having any named jersey go obsolete

[Roogsy]

Chad is due to make a shit load of cash this year we are talking over 300k from what I have been told. I like Chad as a player but to give him that kind of cash and your return on investment is 7 goals and hurt for a good portion of the year it doesn't look good IMO.



SAY WHAT???

[Pookie]

side note: I should run out to by a JDG jersey. I'm cursed with having any named jersey go obsolete

I'll trade you for my Serioux jersey that I got last season

[Parkdale]

I'll trade you for my Serioux jersey that I got last season

toss in a Bosh / Jack / ONeal jersey and you've got a deal !

[Stouffville_RPB]

He could get picked but the bigger question is would he play?

Heart is in Europe (as is his family apparently). He isn't hurting in the pocketbook. Does he pack up and move to the West coast or simply try to force a transfer or even retire?

No way he's retiring what is he 28 going on 29?

Bottom line for me is that he never wanted to come here and he plays like it.

[Roogsy]

Don't discount it Age...it's been tossed around. He isn't exactly happy here.

Stupid MLS...they're streaming it via podcast which means us douchebags at work behind a firewall and no itunes can't listen. Brilliant.

[Whoop]

i have no "hate" against him per say.
i'll call a spade a spade however.

he was wonderful in the dutch league (i've seen clips) and in some canadian matches, but he's not worth his weight here. we're paying him too much and i genuinely believe that he can't compete on the MLS level. i hope he makes me eat those words if he finds form here, but i wouldn't know a whole lot of people who'd be saddened by his leaving.

funny enough, the way it's being promoted on the MLS website is if van city is going to fire the proverbial "first shot" in a rivalry with by picking him up. again, i'd know a lot of people who'd be thankful to the whitecaps if he gets picked up. we'd also be able to play it off as "well.. it's the TFC curse" if he goes and finds his form over there. only time will tell.

JDG never played in the Dutch league. You're thinking of his brother.

[Roogsy]

Julian played in the Bundesliga.

[Ageroo]

Stupid MLS...they're streaming it via podcast which means us douchebags at work behind a firewall and no itunes can't listen. Brilliant.

Someone better be giving us the play-by-play.....please and thank you. :)

[Jeffro]

A defensive midfielder playing on a team with no proper system will always look bad. We had no system last year. If De Guzman goes to another team in MLS we will seriously regret it.

[__wowza]

JDG never played in the Dutch league. You're thinking of his brother.

spain, sorry.

[tfc2007]

how do you listen live?

[__wowza]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=1916&id=10779 --> draft radio (not up yet)
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2010-expansion-draft-pick-pick --> draft list (you need to refresh yourself)


parky you wanna be in charge of posting the draft choices on here? i'd rather one person take over so we don't get a million people posting the same thing at once. anyone else wanna step up? (i'd do it but i've been getting pulled away from my desk all day)

[menefreghista]

how do you listen live?

There is suppose to be a link here: http://www.mlssoccer.com/extratime

But its not working yet.

Edit: never mind, see above.

[Roogsy]

how do you listen live?


http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=1916&id=10779


By the way, now it's a regular stream for us people not on itunes.

[CretanBull]

Don't discount it Age...it's been tossed around. He isn't exactly happy here.

Stupid MLS...they're streaming it via podcast which means us douchebags at work behind a firewall and no itunes can't listen. Brilliant.

I'm not behind a firewall and I can't get it to work...the link that they put up subscribes you to their podcast, but its only allowing me to download past episodes and not stream the current live one.

Edit: got it to work directly from the MLS site...

[prizby]

so how does one listen live?

[Jeff s]

Losing JDG would be disaster. This will back fire on us. If he gets picked, I hope he goes back to Europe instead.

[Ageroo]

Ives...has his running list as well....so if you can't stream the radio like me here at work try this:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2010/11/2011-mls-expansion-draft-live-commentary.html

[Ageroo]

A defensive midfielder playing on a team with no proper system will always look bad. We had no system last year. If De Guzman goes to another team in MLS we will seriously regret it.


Losing JDG would be disaster. This will back fire on us. If he gets picked, I hope he goes back to Europe instead.

I am a JDG fan....but I agree with both of these....:)

[Roogsy]

I'm not behind a firewall and I can't get it to work...the link that they put up subscribes you to their podcast, but its only allowing me to download past episodes and not stream the current live one.

Edit: got it to work directly from the MLS site...


Try this again. I am getting it now.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=1916&id=10779

[deltox]

my prediction.

NO TFC PLAYERS GET PICKED UP

[Roogsy]

A defensive midfielder playing on a team with no proper system will always look bad. We had no system last year. If De Guzman goes to another team in MLS we will seriously regret it.


If he goes to a team with a system and in a groove...for sure.

But I doubt he will be ever be serviceable to us. We are starting from scratch. There is no system and it will take a while for a system to take form. In the meantime, we're essentially paying a fortune for someone who does not have the tools to do his job.

On a different team, JDG would shine, I agree. It simply won't happen on TFC.

[Ageroo]

On a different team, JDG would shine, I agree. It simply won't happen on TFC.

Shut yo mouth.........:D

[Jeff s]

I have a JDG jersey, I don't want it to go to waste lol.

[bigtfcfan]

Whether JDG gets picked or not I hope he goes back to Europe.

[Jeffro]

i have no "hate" against him per say.
i'll call a spade a spade however.

he was wonderful in the dutch league (i've seen clips) and in some canadian matches, but he's not worth his weight here. we're paying him too much and i genuinely believe that he can't compete on the MLS level. i hope he makes me eat those words if he finds form here, but i wouldn't know a whole lot of people who'd be saddened by his leaving.

funny enough, the way it's being promoted on the MLS website is if van city is going to fire the proverbial "first shot" in a rivalry with by picking him up. again, i'd know a lot of people who'd be thankful to the whitecaps if he gets picked up. we'd also be able to play it off as "well.. it's the TFC curse" if he goes and finds his form over there. only time will tell.

1. Assuming you meant Spain, a holding mid is not a player you can judge on based on some "clips"

2. He was a good enough and smart enough player to read and break up plays by Barca and Real Madrid, but no he can't cut against Kansas City and Columbus. It's Deguz that sucks, not the team he came to that plays a kick and run style and has never made the playoffs in 4 years.

[deltox]

just for fun.

this is who TFC selected in the 2006 MLS expansion draft


1 Paulo Nagamura (M)
2 Danny O'Rourke (M)
3 Jose Cancela (F)
4 Adrian Serioux (M)
5 Nate Jaqua (F)
6 Rod Dyachenko (M)
7 Jason Kreis (F)
8 Tim Regan (D)
9 Ritchie Kotschau (D)
10 Will Hesmer (GK)

[CretanBull]

The problem with JDG here is that he shouldn't be playing as a DM, in the MLS a guy with his skill has to get forward more - he should be a box to box player.

[__wowza]

1. Assuming you meant Spain, a holding mid is not a player you can judge on based on some "clips"

2. He was a good enough and smart enough player to read and break up plays by Barca and Real Madrid, but no he can't cut against Kansas City and Columbus. It's Deguz that sucks, not the team he came to that plays a kick and run style and has never made the playoffs in 4 years.

ugghh :( i've already said spain! i got him mixed up with his brother (JDG was in my brothers grade, jon was in mine).

[Pookie]

here we go...

[__wowza]

but yeah, one person wanna take a head at posting the official draft picks so we don't get 50 of the same comment?

like my accidentally saying JDG played in the netherlands :D

[Pookie]

McCarty to Portland

[Ageroo]

McCarty to Portland

It's all yours now Pookie.....:)

[Jeffro]

ugghh :( i've already said spain! i got him mixed up with his brother (JDG was in my brothers grade, jon was in mine).

has nothing to do with my point....

[Pookie]

got one of my own work conference calls in 20 mins so I might need a hand off

Dallas protects Hernandez

[Jeffro]

Vancouver takes Nyassi

[Pookie]

Vancouver takes Nyassi

[Carts]

McCartney to Portland

I got picked by Portland...???

See ya guys...

Carts... :D

[__wowza]

Vancouver takes Nyassi

Vancouver takes Nyassi

:facepalm:

[Pookie]

Ianni, Patrick - protected

[Pookie]

facepalm this :)

[Pookie]

Portland takes Brunner, Eric

Columbus

[Jeffro]

:facepalm:

take the lead then

[Ageroo]

Vancouver takes Nyassi


Vancouver takes Nyassi

lol......OK...who of the 2 of you will be around for this whole draft?

Pookie has to go in a bit......can you run with it Jeffro? So we don't have 9 million people posting updates.....

[Pookie]

Columbus protects Burns, Kevin

[Pookie]

agreed, if Jeffro can take it... please do. I've got to run around 2:25 to join a work call

[Jeffro]

meh, I'll be off to watch the Barca game soon :)

[Auzzy]

Quick, someone put up a poll, who should post the updates? We could get some mileage out of this question. :D

[phonzo]

pretty sure portland have a damn good idea who they want..whitecaps tend to be pondering more.

[Ageroo]

Quick, someone put up a poll, who should post the updates? We could get some mileage out of this question. :D

I'd do it, but I am actually supposed to be doing work......:)

[Pookie]

Vancouver takes Harris, Atiba

[kodiakTFC]

I got picked by Portland...???

See ya guys...

Carts... :D

This blows, we're losing a good poster in McCartney and I'm not sure why Boris didn't protect him. Either way, we're protecting Pookie now.

[Pookie]

Dallas can't lose any more players, out of expansion draft

[phonzo]

no one can afford pookie he's safe

[Pookie]

While you are following my updates... Dan Gargan for 2011 Player of the Year

[Ageroo]

Vancouver takes Harris, Atiba

Very interesting move there.......Dallas is getting the shaft early....but now they are off the table.

[__wowza]

englishrachel is protected, right?

[Pookie]

Portland takes Moffat, Adam


Columbus now out of draft

[Roogsy]

Dallas left two STARTERS unprotected? :noidea:

I assume they won't be trying to make a run in the playoffs next year?

[Ageroo]

Dallas left two STARTERS unprotected? :noidea:

I assume they won't be trying to make a run in the playoffs next year?

Atiba I can understand them leaving unprotected...but Dax I am not sure what their mindset was with that one.

[reggie]

5 min in...and vancouver already have a better winger then we had in our history.

[Pookie]

Vancouver takes Garcia, Nick.... kidding... but they did take Sturgis, Nathan