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denime
11-16-2010, 06:20 AM
Mornin'


Sports fans used to bundling up (http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/article/891305--sports-fans-used-to-bundling-up)


Odd couple to compete for MLS Cup (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/11/15/sp-mls-cup.html)


Dallas, Colorado prepare for chilly MLS final (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/11/15/mls_final_chilly/)


It's anyone's game for the MLS Cup (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2010/11/15/16156706.html)


Dasovic Weigh In On Cup Final (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/11/dasovic-weigh-cup-final)


Toronto makes mark as soccer-savvy destination (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/toronto-makes-its-mark-soccer-savvy-destination)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

Stouffville_RPB
11-16-2010, 07:15 AM
Morning D

keem-o-sabi
11-16-2010, 07:18 AM
coed girls 1 (http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/girls/the-tsj-return-of-tiffany-taylor) and 2 (http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/girls/meet-jenny-ciarleglio)

Wull
11-16-2010, 08:06 AM
UGH! they had to show a photo of someone kissing up to beckham :puke:

[NBF]
11-16-2010, 08:20 AM
SSG: Could of used some photoshopping, or some further away shots.

MLS CUP FINAL: I hate to laugh but really what did you expect.:canada:

Historical trend: High of 6C and low of -2C.

Forecasted weather: Cloudy with showers, High of 5C and low 0C.:D

Oldtimer
11-16-2010, 08:31 AM
Big news on the academy front:

http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=4151


Home Grown Player Restrictions Lifted

According to MLS VP of Competition and Player Relations Todd Durbin teams will no longer be limited to adding only 4 players each year to their Senior or Developmental rosters. So after doubling the limit (http://www.mlssoccer.com/content/rookie-rundown-homegrown-effect) at the beginning of this year it seems that the training wheels are well and truly off now.TFC, NY, and the Whitecaps are well poised to take advantage of this rule change, having invested heavily in their academies. Now we can have the same development model that's used overseas, without restrictions, instead of depending on the NCAA for our players.

As noted, DC, RSL and Dallas will also benefit.

Fort York Redcoat
11-16-2010, 09:05 AM
^ Fantastic strides for the future of the league. More options for youth to get in the game and stay in it.

As for the Setlur article "Soccer Savvy Toronto", It may be a bit over congratulatory for the state of our city but we have done pretty good for ourselves.

But now that we've committed to the cup I think I'll take in the game just to represent our city. As much as we crap on this league, it's quality, it's officiating, it's club names, it's organization, it keeps changing and IMO for the better every year it's been here.

Darlofletch
11-16-2010, 09:18 AM
Klinsmann-agement theory (http://www.cruelgeography.com/2010/11/klinsmann-agement-theory.html)

Why Klinsmann as consultant is actually a good thing.

rocker
11-16-2010, 09:51 AM
Big news on the academy front:

http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=4151

TFC, NY, and the Whitecaps are well poised to take advantage of this rule change, having invested heavily in their academies. Now we can have the same development model that's used overseas, without restrictions, instead of depending on the NCAA for our players.

As noted, DC, RSL and Dallas will also benefit.

this seems to fit with the MLS business plan as well, since young players suitable for MLS but not interested in Europe will come much cheaper than GA players or regular signings. I've always said that opening up the academy systems means lots of cheap and good labour is suddenly available. Not to mention the fact that these kids are well known to the teams... there's less risk compared to signing foreign young players. The academy kids know the city, and the teams know the kids very well (mental makeup + strengths/weaknesses). And the kids know the team system already.

scooter
11-16-2010, 10:02 AM
mornin d

Beach_Red
11-16-2010, 10:13 AM
Klinsmann-agement theory (http://www.cruelgeography.com/2010/11/klinsmann-agement-theory.html)

Why Klinsmann as consultant is actually a good thing.

It's certainly true that there has only been short-term thinking at TFC from the beginning, something that happens when you give short-term contracts, and a panicky approach to management, something that happens when you put inexperienced people in charge, but MLSE have been running pro sports teams long enough to know all this.

I still don't understand why a short-term consultant is a better idea than hiring someone with experience building winning teams in MLS. I guess if Klinsmann's advice is, "Hire Steve Nicols and let him build a proper team," that'll be good.

This is yje salary-capped, player-restricted MLS, are there really that many different options available?

TFCRegina
11-16-2010, 10:18 AM
It's certainly true that there has only been short-term thinking at TFC from the beginning, something that happens when you give short-term contracts, and a panicky approach to management, something that happens when you put inexperienced people in charge, but MLSE have been running pro sports teams long enough to know all this.

I still don't understand why a short-term consultant is a better idea than hiring someone with experience building winning teams in MLS. I guess if Klinsmann's advice is, "Hire Steve Nicols and let him build a proper team," that'll be good.

This is yje salary-capped, player-restricted MLS, are there really that many different options available?

Because MLS is fluid. The league is really in a transition. There's a reason why Preki's style didn't work for us. He tried building a team based on the old model of grit and counter-attack. The problem is the league is going the way of skill and possession. More and more latin american players are entering the league and the style is changing.

Darlofletch
11-16-2010, 10:21 AM
It's certainly true that there has only been short-term thinking at TFC from the beginning, something that happens when you give short-term contracts, and a panicky approach to management, something that happens when you put inexperienced people in charge, but MLSE have been running pro sports teams long enough to know all this.

I still don't understand why a short-term consultant is a better idea than hiring someone with experience building winning teams in MLS. I guess if Klinsmann's advice is, "Hire Steve Nicols and let him build a proper team," that'll be good.

This is yje salary-capped, player-restricted MLS, are there really that many different options available?

I guess the idea is to have that consultant help them figure out what they want to do and then, and only then, do they go out and get someone with experience of building the sort of team they want. as opposed to hiring preki, then finding out that they hate him and the way he works.

Oldtimer
11-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Because MLS is fluid. The league is really in a transition. There's a reason why Preki's style didn't work for us. He tried building a team based on the old model of grit and counter-attack. The problem is the league is going the way of skill and possession. More and more latin american players are entering the league and the style is changing.

You called it correctly.

Beach_Red
11-16-2010, 11:14 AM
Because MLS is fluid. The league is really in a transition. There's a reason why Preki's style didn't work for us. He tried building a team based on the old model of grit and counter-attack. The problem is the league is going the way of skill and possession. More and more latin american players are entering the league and the style is changing.

So if it's "fluid" will any advice given now be useful a year from now? Will the "plan" be fluid enough that whoever is left to implement it will be able to adapt it to the ever-changing league?

Of course, given the circumstances this was probably the best move they could have made. What's being left unsaid in the defence of this ownership over the last four is that it now looks like it was true, they were ultimately the problem. So now they've admitted it and hired someone to advise them.

How will people feel if at the end of this consultation, MLSE say they have a great plan and the people they already have on staff will implement it?

Oldtimer
11-16-2010, 11:17 AM
It's certainly true that there has only been short-term thinking at TFC from the beginning, something that happens when you give short-term contracts, and a panicky approach to management, something that happens when you put inexperienced people in charge

The article talks about "values," which are extremely important in an organization. The only "values" of note that Mo had was trying to save his job.

maninb
11-16-2010, 11:20 AM
What MORON scheduled the final for a Sunday night???? A lot more people would be attending if it was a Saturday afternoon or early evening...

Beach_Red
11-16-2010, 11:25 AM
The article talks about "values," which are extremely important in an organization. The only "values" of note that Mo had was trying to save his job.

Of course it was, that was the mandate he was given. It was how they used to run their other teams, too, but it's not like they had no experience running sports teams (though they did hire people with no experience to short-term contracts who then scrambled to keep their jobs - that was the method MLSE chose -it's unlikely to be the one a consultant recommends).

If this consultation is going to work I think people are going to have to stay on MLSE and look a little deeper at the organization than was done over the last four years. Klinsmann will be gone when the season starts and MLSE will slip back to their old ways. The best thing about MLSE is that they do react to what loud fans have to say (it may take them a while, but tjey do).

What would be a shame is if Klinsmann leaves and then Daso gets the blame if the expensive parts of the consultation report don't get implemented.

Technorgasm
11-16-2010, 11:37 AM
so. . . . . .

SHIRTS OFF

C.Ronaldo
11-16-2010, 11:46 AM
mls cup is bigger than the super bowl

thats why it starts at 8:30pm

__wowza
11-16-2010, 12:41 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/11-moments-defined-canadian-soccer
http://www.mlssoccer.com/playoffs/10-reasons-we-love-toronto

why is the MLS sucking our dick so hard? oh yeah, to get people to come out to the final :D

spark
11-16-2010, 03:17 PM
It's certainly true that there has only been short-term thinking at TFC from the beginning, something that happens when you give short-term contracts, and a panicky approach to management, something that happens when you put inexperienced people in charge, but MLSE have been running pro sports teams long enough to know all this.

The short term thinking doesn't just apply to TFC. It is a product of the owners - and as you noted, inexperienced people in charge. They might be experienced in business, and more specifically grocery products, but they know nothing about sports. And what makes it worse it it's inexperience at the very top, so it just trickles down. As a result we see a never ending cycle of trial and error because at the end of the day they don't know what they are doing.

Detroit_TFC
11-16-2010, 03:33 PM
Garber's State of the League conf call had some actual news. 30 man roster in 2011, including 4 slots for age 24 or below players that aren't counted against the cap. Not sure how this reconciles with the unlimited signing from home grown academies that was announced yesterday. Reserve league relaunched, 4 divisions.

Edit:
Goff's recap says its six slots for under 25s. Reserve division is three six team divisions, 10 matches per club. Players must be on roster, no fill-ins.

More - league looking at the single table vs conf set up. In any case there WILL be playoffs (emphatic on this) and a single game Cup final. Considering changing from neutral site final to highest finishing finalist home. Not sure league is ready for the quick turnaround to implement this.

werewolf
11-16-2010, 03:33 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/11-moments-defined-canadian-soccer


Toronto FC gets two mentions, when it was established, and the first game (which combines the first win), but no U-20 World Cup...? poor form.

CommradePolski
11-16-2010, 03:57 PM
Schelotto and Hejduk released by Columbus. Id say thats more new from today.

rocker
11-16-2010, 04:04 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/11-moments-defined-canadian-soccer
http://www.mlssoccer.com/playoffs/10-reasons-we-love-toronto

why is the MLS sucking our dick so hard? oh yeah, to get people to come out to the final :D

one of those is written by TFC fan Ben Knight.. wonder how much he got paid for that. enough to buy another vest? :)

TFC07
11-16-2010, 04:05 PM
Schelotto and Hejduk released by Columbus. Id say thats more new from today.

Wow! TFC should offer them an one year contract.

Detroit_TFC
11-16-2010, 04:15 PM
Schelotto and Hejduk released by Columbus. Id say thats more new from today.

The Crewligans are not very happy about the GBS news, as for Hejduk I think they were ready to get rid of him. TFC should sign GBS just to make the Nordecke weep.

:scarf:

CommradePolski
11-16-2010, 04:19 PM
No they shouldnt. GBS is WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too old, in my opinion. Although he can probably hit the net better than most of our players.

Red Rat
11-16-2010, 04:33 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/11-moments-defined-canadian-soccer
http://www.mlssoccer.com/playoffs/10-reasons-we-love-toronto

why is the MLS sucking our dick so hard? oh yeah, to get people to come out to the final :D

I want to vomit with the second story


rr

gtaguy
11-16-2010, 06:57 PM
No they shouldnt. GBS is WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too old, in my opinion. Although he can probably hit the net better than most of our players.

no joke this dinosaur can still get r done..
If he could be signed for 1 season at a very very resonable price I would seriously think about it..
Put my money down that he could double MISTA'S output. :D

bgnewf
11-16-2010, 07:58 PM
New Music Inspired By The TFC Experience

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/11/the-south-end/

king dave
11-16-2010, 09:28 PM
Big news on the academy front:

http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=4151

TFC, NY, and the Whitecaps are well poised to take advantage of this rule change, having invested heavily in their academies. Now we can have the same development model that's used overseas, without restrictions, instead of depending on the NCAA for our players.

As noted, DC, RSL and Dallas will also benefit.
As a side note. The CSL has been attracting young internationals and signing them. But with a much larger proportion of Canadian talent on it's roster
I think the CSL is a natural fit for the development of MLS as far as talent goes. Be it Canuck or International.
KD.