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TFC USA
10-09-2010, 11:24 PM
A bit unlucky not to get something out of this but man oh man I am struggling to find a team we can beat at this current form. I'd go as far to say we're one of the 3 worst teams in MLS.

We were eliminated from the playoffs when San Jose won earlier today but Chivas USA made sure we wouldn't get a miracle anyway.

Discuss another loss.

TOBOR !
10-09-2010, 11:27 PM
unlucky ? is that a euphemism ?

Azerban
10-09-2010, 11:28 PM
lol if you care even a little

TFC USA
10-09-2010, 11:28 PM
We got a few chances we should've buried (Dero off the bar, Maicon missing the follow-up, shot going off the line) but yeah Chivas deserved to win.

I don't feel pissed we lost. I stopped caring about results after last week.

Carts
10-09-2010, 11:29 PM
Well done Terry Vaughan.... SHIT AGAIN ref - did it affect the game - prob not...

Frei should have stopped the 2nd one - he wants that back for sure....

Azerban
10-09-2010, 11:29 PM
watching kingdom africa on tvu, much more entertaining than any tfc game ever

TFC07
10-09-2010, 11:29 PM
We had our chances, but it wasn't meant to be. :(

AWFUL ENDING OF THIS GAME! (BOTH BY DERO/JDG AND REF) :facepalm:

jloome
10-09-2010, 11:29 PM
I'd say right now we're the worst team in the league. DeGuzman was truly awful tonight. DeRosario refused to play two ways, basically.

Maicon Santos' work rate was good but his finishing was heinous. Usanov, Attakora and Cann all worked hard. Frei was weak. Garcia was truly horrendous. Barrett was ineffective until the injury. Lindsay showed some promise.

Pretty sad, that one.

Carts
10-09-2010, 11:34 PM
Our appointed "man of the year" lets in a soft, VERY SOFT, 2nd goal... :(

Not MOTY fabric... no...

Carts...

Carts
10-09-2010, 11:35 PM
I'd say right now we're the worst team in the league. DeGuzman was truly awful tonight. DeRosario refused to play two ways, basically.

Maicon Santos' work rate was good but his finishing was heinous. Usanov, Attakora and Cann all worked hard. Frei was weak. Garcia was truly horrendous. Barrett was ineffective until the injury. Lindsay showed some promise.

Pretty sad, that one.

Par for the course - he played his usual game...

[NBF]
10-09-2010, 11:37 PM
Wow, what a thumping!


Maybe we can try something new for the next match, lets try a 4-2-3-1:

-----------------------------------Frei----------------------------------
Gargan---------------Cann--------------------Attakora--------Hscanovics
--------------------DeGuzman----------------LeBrocca------------------
Santos--------------------------DeRosario-----------------------Barrett
----------------------------------Mista---------------------------------

Auzzy
10-09-2010, 11:39 PM
If Daso has any spine, he benches DeRo for the next game. Two horrible give-aways when his whole team is pushed up for the equalizer.

^ And I doubt Cann is playing any more games this season, he has a broken nose.

ArmenJBX
10-09-2010, 11:40 PM
Your formation doesn't work, next week mista is due for a pinky injury and then after that he's scheduled an upset stomach to finish off the year.

SirBobSaget
10-09-2010, 11:40 PM
;1147369']Wow, what a thumping!


Maybe we can try something new for the next match, lets try a 4-2-3-1:

-----------------------------------Frei----------------------------------
Gargan---------------Cann--------------------Attakora--------Hscanovics
--------------------DeGuzman----------------LeBrocca------------------
Santos--------------------------DeRosario-----------------------Barrett
----------------------------------Mista---------------------------------

Mista got his last paycheck and jetted back to Europe, thanks for the 200 mins (ie 5,000$ per min)

PS I was a huge Mista fan until this game, but the road trip no-show is big evidence HE is the problem, not coaching staff

bgnewf
10-09-2010, 11:44 PM
Due respect to everyone here but if anyone says de Guzman is not a talented player then they do not understand the sport.

He is a great player but he will never be a great MLS player. He does not have the type of game to ever be a true difference maker in this league. His style of play, his size and the physical nature of this league make him feel like a square peg in a round hole for TFC.

And the fact that he did not look like he even tried tonight, and I don't think he did, only makes it harder to swallow.

I really think that TFC will be telling him and his agent soon to start sniffing around back in Europe in the January window. Him and his contract will be poison for TFC fans next season, especially after these recent results and the way this season will end.

BS1327
10-09-2010, 11:44 PM
DeRo's also out due to yellow accumulation for the Clownbus game...

If DeRo really supports the team like a true captain should, we should get him in the supporters section for the game (if only some weren't calling for his head...)

bgnewf
10-09-2010, 11:45 PM
If Daso has any spine, he benches DeRo for the next game. Two horrible give-aways when his whole team is pushed up for the equalizer.

^ And I doubt Cann is playing any more games this season, he has a broken nose.

DeRo is benched for the game due to yellow card accumulation.

Hooligan69
10-09-2010, 11:45 PM
With incompetent management and players who clearly don't give a damn, Toronto FC proving to be a consistent failure comes as no surprise. Eventually this will be reflected in the stands at BMO when the boys are playing in an empty stadium.

Azerban
10-09-2010, 11:47 PM
Due respect to everyone here but if anyone says de Guzman is not a talented player then they do not understand the sport.

He is a great player but he will never be a great MLS player. He does not have the type of game to ever be a true difference maker in this league. His style of play, his size and the physical nature of this league make him feel like a square pg in a round hole.

boring declaration followed by a complete refutation of that declaration

if he was truly a great player, he would be able to alter his style of play such that his strengths were maximized and his weaknesses minimized

oh wait he doesn't even tackle fuck right off

TOBOR !
10-09-2010, 11:48 PM
;1147369']Wow, what a thumping!


Maybe we can try something new for the next match, lets try a 4-2-3-1:

-----------------------------------Frei----------------------------------
Gargan---------------Cann--------------------Attakora--------Hscanovics
--------------------DeGuzman----------------LeBrocca------------------
Santos--------------------------DeRosario-----------------------Barrett
----------------------------------Mista---------------------------------

abso-fucking-lutely. Frei as the lone striker, supported by Cann, Gargan, etc., with Mista in goal. There's nothing to lose - they should defo do this - I'd love to see it !

Auzzy
10-09-2010, 11:49 PM
DeRo is benched for the game due to yellow card accumulation.

Bench him for the CCL game. Play the Academy.


Ah, whatever, who gives a shit.

Auzzy
10-09-2010, 11:50 PM
abso-fucking-lutely. Frei as the lone striker, supported by Cann, Gargan, etc., with Mista in goal. There's nothing to lose - they should defo do this - I'd love to see it !

Post of the night right there!

TFC USA
10-09-2010, 11:50 PM
abso-fucking-lutely. Frei as the lone striker, supported by Cann, Gargan, etc., with Mista in goal. There's nothing to lose - they should defo do this - I'd love to see it !

:D:D:D:D

LesH
10-09-2010, 11:55 PM
abso-fucking-lutely. Frei as the lone striker, supported by Cann, Gargan, etc., with Mista in goal. There's nothing to lose - they should defo do this - I'd love to see it !


Oh man, that would be a great idea.

At least we would see an entertaining game, something to remember!

Blizzard
10-09-2010, 11:58 PM
We got a few chances we should've buried (Dero off the bar, Maicon missing the follow-up, shot going off the line) but yeah Chivas deserved to win.

I don't feel pissed we lost. I stopped caring about results after last week.

Just so people understand, the rebound off the bar to Maicon and his missed shot would not have counted anyway as he was offside as was made clear on the broadcast!

I'm more inclined to bring up the lack of a call on the handball in the box, the offside call on DeRo that was at least two yards onside and of course the Alan Gordon uncalled Red for the elbow smash to Cann's nose forcing us to play a man down.

LesH
10-10-2010, 12:00 AM
Instead of commenting something about tonight's game, I repeat what I responded to one post in the game thread in which was said "we (TFC) are back to square one":

Sorry my friend, you are wrong.
We are not back to square one, but we are still at square one.

TFC never ever left square one since it was founded in 2006 . :(

Corpand
10-10-2010, 12:02 AM
This is the most Depressing ive seen this forum

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 12:03 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3611/3387302293_f25646cb2c_m.jpg

SirBobSaget
10-10-2010, 12:05 AM
Due respect to everyone here but if anyone says de Guzman is not a talented player then they do not understand the sport.

He is a great player but he will never be a great MLS player. He does not have the type of game to ever be a true difference maker in this league. His style of play, his size and the physical nature of this league make him feel like a square peg in a round hole for TFC.

And the fact that he did not look like he even tried tonight, and I don't think he did, only makes it harder to swallow.

I really think that TFC will be telling him and his agent soon to start sniffing around back in Europe in the January window. Him and his contract will be poison for TFC fans next season, especially after these recent results and the way this season will end.

This "MLS is a more physical league than La Liga" thing is pure BS. MLS might avg maybe 1 inch and 5 lbs over La Liga but their players are also much faster and skilled. Were not talking an avg height increase of 1 foot and 50 lbs here.

A player that can handle Spain should be able to easily handle MLS ... if he cared to.

Auzzy
10-10-2010, 12:06 AM
Just so people understand, the rebound off the bar to Maicon and his missed shot would not have counted anyway as he was offside as was made clear on the broadcast!

I'm more inclined to bring up the lack of a call on the handball in the box, the offside call on DeRo that was at least two yards onside and of course the Alan Gordon uncalled Red for the elbow smash to Cann's nose forcing us to play a man down.

You mean the one where Barret missed on the ensuing easy shot anyway?

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 12:07 AM
Bench him for the CCL game. Play the Academy.


Ah, whatever, who gives a shit.

YES !

Blizzard
10-10-2010, 12:09 AM
You mean the one where Barret missed on the ensuing easy shot anyway?

No, that was in the first half.

Second half, DeRo breaking down the right wing. Receives a very nice pass. Their left back played DeRo onside by two yards and the linesman entirely missed it. DeRo's shot was saved but the ball was still in play ... or would have been. All mooted by the whistle on the blown call by the linesman.

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 12:10 AM
^ (to Auzzy) nah - that pass came from Peterson. The linesman saved Chad some embarassment there to be sure. The one where Dwayne was called offside was when he was running away from goal *... but as you've already said upthread, fuck it... why are we even talking about this shit ?

*it seems I've misremembered. What Blizzard said.

Auzzy
10-10-2010, 12:13 AM
^ True that. I'm just hanging around, hoping for some more good jokes to cheer me up :)

TFC USA
10-10-2010, 12:13 AM
Oh yeah, who does Peterson blow to keep getting starts?

Auzzy
10-10-2010, 12:16 AM
^ Well La Brocca sucked last game, so it was Peterson's chance to suck tonight. BTW I didn't think he was that bad tonight. Maybe you're right, and he actually blows & doesn't suck.

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 12:17 AM
Oh yeah, who does Peterson blow to keep getting starts?

if that's true there's at least a dozen guys on the squad with scabby knees and no business feeling the lush vegetation of BMo field between their toes.

Auzzy
10-10-2010, 12:20 AM
I think TOBOR's just trying to workie the board. Latest on at least 6 threads right now...

TFC USA
10-10-2010, 12:22 AM
This is killing me....what the flying fuck is workieing the board?

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 12:26 AM
This is killing me....what the flying fuck is workieing the board?

Can't touch this (doo-doo-de-doo, de-doo, de-doo etc.)

Auzzy
10-10-2010, 12:27 AM
This is killing me....what the flying fuck is workieing the board?

Having the last post in all sections on the forum front page. But I'm just gonna shut up & go to bed now, I don't want to ruin a good thing for Tobor :D

Corpand
10-10-2010, 12:29 AM
I love some of the drunk posts here, cheers guys. Tonight was brutal.

Tomorrows another day.

LesH
10-10-2010, 12:50 AM
I love some of the drunk posts here, cheers guys. Tonight was brutal.

Tomorrows another day.

And another week.
Then another month.

A lots of glorious footie to watch.
Errrr.... not in Toronto, but should we really care if it's not good for our health? :noidea:

ricciboy
10-10-2010, 12:53 AM
i dont agree with this statement


[QUOTE=TFC USA;1147341]A bit unlucky not to get something out of this but man oh man I am struggling to find a team we can beat at this current form. I'd go as far to say we're one of the 3 worst teams in MLS.

Red Rat
10-10-2010, 01:04 AM
To all spamers right here..
You will be Mod-ified..
very soon

But hell playing Frei up front and Mista in net sounds awesome

TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 01:06 AM
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TOBOR !
10-10-2010, 01:07 AM
To all spamers right here..
You will be Mod-ified..
very soon

But hell playing Frei up front and Mista in net sounds awesome

chill. beer + tfc + boredom - Mods = this.

Redcoe15
10-10-2010, 01:32 AM
It is now official.

a3xsDv6yCnY

:(

TFC_Central
10-10-2010, 02:40 AM
barret is injured again? holy jesus, one may wonder....If he gets injured so he dosent have to miss soo many chances.

Keystone FC
10-10-2010, 03:16 AM
What sucks even more was that the Wiz lost. So if TFC would have won they would be in 3rd place right now.
So many missed opprotunities this season...WE DEMAND BETTER!

MFG1
10-10-2010, 04:29 AM
3-0 ? This team is dead to me. To anybody I have met, it was my pleasure, good luck luck in your future endeavours.

Pookie
10-10-2010, 07:24 AM
So when the coach is quoted as saying:

"If you don't want to be here and fight, then you can make your way out," Dasovic told the club's website after the game. "No problem. We'll let you go and pursue other ventures. But if you want to be here, I only want guys who are going to fight for the football club."

"When you watch a football game from the outside, you see a guy lose it and not track back - that's a character deficiency," Dasovic said.

... I'm left to wonder who is coming back?

Frei, Attakora, Cann, Gargan.

I guess we have a few roster spots open for next year.

ArmenJBX
10-10-2010, 07:26 AM
JDG also was surrounded by a supporting cast with a much higher skill level in Spain.

Also, it seems like there are cliques of who players pass to on the field. De Rosario would rather pass to De Guzman and go backwards than find a forward pass to Maicon.

Chevy
10-10-2010, 07:33 AM
JDG also was surrounded by a supporting cast with a much higher skill level in Spain.

Also, it seems like there are cliques of who players pass to on the field. De Rosario would rather pass to De Guzman and go backwards than find a forward pass to Maicon.

This was noticeable last year as well. DeRo just WOULD NOT pass the ball to Vitti.

Oldtimer
10-10-2010, 07:49 AM
Dichio is still a legend.

denime
10-10-2010, 08:01 AM
Dichio is still a legend.

oh yes, he is a legend.

Chevy
10-10-2010, 08:04 AM
Our appointed "man of the year" lets in a soft, VERY SOFT, 2nd goal... :(

Not MOTY fabric... no...

Carts...

Come on, he lets in ONE borderline soft goal the entire season and you dump all over him? That's a bit harsh.

Carts
10-10-2010, 08:21 AM
Come on, he lets in ONE borderline soft goal the entire season and you dump all over him? That's a bit harsh.

Its way too harsh... Yes, I'm ripping my own post... LOL...

I was sitting all night with someone who basically thinks Frei can do no wrong, and DeRo is shit & all his goals were "lucky or selfish"...

Anyways, bitter anger of a 3-0 loss :(

They also think JDG is awesome and every time he messes up "...the guys don't move for him..." but when someone else messes up a pass, nope not the other guys fault, their fault...

Frustrating as hell listening to that...

Carts...

koryo
10-10-2010, 08:33 AM
I fell asleep in front of the telly just after saying to Gobi, "oh shit, not Terry Vaughn. He's useless."

I didn't know a thing until after the final whistle went. Seems like I did the right thing.

Dear oh dear, this team is pathetic.

I also caught Dero's facebook message yesterday afternoon about watching the game against RSL, as he put it: "7:30 Pacific time, 4:30pm EST."

koryo
10-10-2010, 08:36 AM
Its way too harsh... Yes, I'm ripping my own post... LOL...

I was sitting all night with someone who basically thinks Frei can do no wrong, and DeRo is shit & all his goals were "lucky or selfish"...

Anyways, bitter anger of a 3-0 loss :(

They also think JDG is awesome and every time he messes up "...the guys don't move for him..." but when someone else messes up a pass, nope not the other guys fault, their fault...

Frustrating as hell listening to that...

Carts...

Don't forget that Vitti is still the best technical player we've ever had, even though he was useless. And Garcia's not shit, just playing in the wrong position.

Blizzard
10-10-2010, 08:45 AM
Originally Posted by JimmyBaldX http://64.13.252.151/forums/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://64.13.252.151/forums/showthread.php?p=1147455#post1147455)
JDG also was surrounded by a supporting cast with a much higher skill level in Spain.

Also, it seems like there are cliques of who players pass to on the field. De Rosario would rather pass to De Guzman and go backwards than find a forward pass to Maicon.


This was noticeable last year as well. DeRo just WOULD NOT pass the ball to Vitti.

That said, tonight, one of the best passes of the night was a terrific through ball from DeRo to Maicon.

Additionally, JDG was five yards from DeRo late in the second half when we were down a goal when DeRo refused to lay off the ball, held on to it giving it away leading to their second goal.

It's not a matter of who DeRo will or will not pass to, it is his judgement in regards to when he holds on and when he passes that is the real question.

He made some very nice plays tonight at the front but those two giveaways were truly awful.

Pachuco
10-10-2010, 08:53 AM
Due respect to everyone here but if anyone says de Guzman is not a talented player then they do not understand the sport.

He is a great player but he will never be a great MLS player. He does not have the type of game to ever be a true difference maker in this league. His style of play, his size and the physical nature of this league make him feel like a square peg in a round hole for TFC.

And the fact that he did not look like he even tried tonight, and I don't think he did, only makes it harder to swallow.

I really think that TFC will be telling him and his agent soon to start sniffing around back in Europe in the January window. Him and his contract will be poison for TFC fans next season, especially after these recent results and the way this season will end.

I'm going through this thread now. Who are you accusing of saying JDG isn't a talented player? why do you even bring that up when no one in the thread had said anything of the sort?

As for JDG looking for something in Europe, good luck. It's been like 3 years since JDG was in form to play in Europe. He wouldn't be here in the first place if he had a shot at Europe. He made that very clear before he ended up giving in to TFC's offer after he recieved nothing substantial from anyone else. I guess he could play in the Greece league or something, that's as far as he'll get.

koryo
10-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Just finished watching the game this morning. How Vaughn doesn't send off that fellow who elbowed Cann. He obviously saw it.

Not much between the two until we capitulate. Dero gives the ball away twice, leading to goals two and three. The second though, is down the Frei. A rare lapse to be sure, but not saving that ball -- because he was in poor position -- in inexcusable.

On the JDG discussion in this thread: there's no denying his talent, but if he truly was a great player then he'd be able to change his game to better suit this league, and to make the players around him more effective. That's what great players do. That's not what he does.

Blizzard
10-10-2010, 09:52 AM
Just finished watching the game this morning. How Vaughn doesn't send off that fellow who elbowed Cann. He obviously saw it.

Not much between the two until we capitulate. Dero gives the ball away twice, leading to goals two and three. The second though, is down the Frei. A rare lapse to be sure, but not saving that ball -- because he was in poor position -- in inexcusable.

On the JDG discussion in this thread: there's no denying his talent, but if he truly was a great player then he'd be able to change his game to better suit this league, and to make the players around him more effective. That's what great players do. That's not what he does.

In regards to Frei, I don't think it was positioning. The ball went through his hands. He was there. The bounce fooled him a bit but the ball went clean through his hands.

It was a rare misplay.

Shakes McQueen
10-10-2010, 10:57 AM
This "MLS is a more physical league than La Liga" thing is pure BS. MLS might avg maybe 1 inch and 5 lbs over La Liga but their players are also much faster and skilled. Were not talking an avg height increase of 1 foot and 50 lbs here.

A player that can handle Spain should be able to easily handle MLS ... if he cared to.

1) Height and weight disparity don't necessarily have anything to do with how "physical" a league is.

2) "MLS might avg maybe...". Well, as long as we are on a solid footing of factual information...

- Scott

TFC USA
10-10-2010, 11:20 AM
Don't forget that Vitti is still the best technical player we've ever had, even though he was useless. And Garcia's not shit, just playing in the wrong position.

You're right, his correct position is cleaning the toilets.

koryo
10-10-2010, 11:27 AM
You're right, his correct position is cleaning the toilets.

Whoa, dude... it's like you can read my mind :D

LesH
10-10-2010, 11:30 AM
What sucks even more was that the Wiz lost. So if TFC would have won they would be in 3rd place right now.
So many missed opprotunities this season...WE DEMAND BETTER!

The sad thing is that MLSE really doesn't give a flying fart about what we demand, unless they start to make no profit at all running TFC.

LesH
10-10-2010, 11:36 AM
So when the coach is quoted as saying:

"If you don't want to be here and fight, then you can make your way out," Dasovic told the club's website after the game. "No problem. We'll let you go and pursue other ventures. But if you want to be here, I only want guys who are going to fight for the football club."

"When you watch a football game from the outside, you see a guy lose it and not track back - that's a character deficiency," Dasovic said.

... I'm left to wonder who is coming back?

Frei, Attakora, Cann, Gargan.

I guess we have a few roster spots open for next year.

I would add to this list just Barrett, as the only other player who plays with hart and gives 100% effort every time he's on the pitch (plus scores a goal here and there every once in a while).

I don't care about anyone else on this team to come back!

reggie
10-10-2010, 11:37 AM
the never ending nightmare...
at least we are improving our draft position and mo is not around to trade it for alo money..mo is gone right???

SirBobSaget
10-10-2010, 11:44 AM
1) Height and weight disparity don't necessarily have anything to do with how "physical" a league is.

2) "MLS might avg maybe...". Well, as long as we are on a solid footing of factual information...

- Scott

What are you even arguing here? So how do you quantify physicality? Body checks thrown per game, broken bones? Come on give me solid facts on this message board.

- Bob Saget

rocker
10-10-2010, 12:15 PM
I've always thought the physicality of MLS was more brutal than top leagues. By that, I mean that without the skill level of big leagues (which are physical too) you get players who run around nailing you because they lost the ball and are trying to make up for it, or don't time challenges properly.

Big leagues have great athleticism and physicality too, but because the players are so skilled, there's a good balance there. You need to be athletic and physical to keep up, but the skill ensures that guys can't go around like butchers and hacks, which happens in MLS.

Blizzard
10-10-2010, 12:22 PM
I've always thought the physicality of MLS was more brutal than top leagues. By that, I mean that without the skill level of big leagues (which are physical too) you get players who run around nailing you because they lost the ball and are trying to make up for it, or don't time challenges properly.

Big leagues have great athleticism and physicality too, but because the players are so skilled, there's a good balance there. You need to be athletic and physical to keep up, but the skill ensures that guys can't go around like butchers and hacks, which happens in MLS.

I agree ... and perhaps that is why the level of referreeing is so low. They let a lot more go in this league although, perhaps, if they didn't, there would be a whistle very ten seconds.

That doesn't excuse Alan Gordon's actions last night though. Pure thuggery.

jloome
10-10-2010, 12:24 PM
I've always thought the physicality of MLS was more brutal than top leagues. By that, I mean that without the skill level of big leagues (which are physical too) you get players who run around nailing you because they lost the ball and are trying to make up for it, or don't time challenges properly.

Big leagues have great athleticism and physicality too, but because the players are so skilled, there's a good balance there. You need to be athletic and physical to keep up, but the skill ensures that guys can't go around like butchers and hacks, which happens in MLS.


That's it exactly. It's due to the lack of tactical grounding and poor first touch. Don't try telling Americans that though. Every time I've made the point they go apeshit.

Which is funny. There was a story last week on the fact that Americans rank 26th in the world in math skills, but when asked where they think they rank, they picked themselves as 1st.

jloome
10-10-2010, 12:26 PM
I agree ... and perhaps that is why the level of referreeing is so low. They let a lot more go in this league although, perhaps, if they didn't, there would be a whistle very ten seconds.

That doesn't excuse Alan Gordon's actions last night though. Pure thuggery.

I honestly believe if you go back and watch games, compare the total number of whistles against each side, there's just a clear bias from American refs towards the Canadian team.

The discrepancies in calls (and point totals) are simply too great to just be relative skill level.

ilikemusic
10-10-2010, 12:34 PM
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Shakes McQueen
10-10-2010, 01:15 PM
What are you even arguing here? So how do you quantify physicality? Body checks thrown per game, broken bones? Come on give me solid facts on this message board.

- Bob Saget

Surely you can differentiate "physicality" from body checks and broken bones, and you're just being pedantic?

MLS is a more physical league than La Liga. Stoke is a more physical team than Arsenal. Danny Dichio is a more physical player than Pablo Vitti.

Fouls are a lot more pronounced. Guys are quicker to close down on the ball, and clumsier in trying to take it away. There's a lot more bumping and banging in close space, instead of artful dodging. There's a lot less diving and whining at the slightest whiff of contact.

There are no numbers for this - it comes from simple observation.

- Scott

bgnewf
10-10-2010, 07:13 PM
Lost Causes

(http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/10/lostcause/)http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/10/lostcause/


With the combination of victory for San Jose and of course the defeat by Toronto FC last evening in Los Angeles against Chivas USA, the Reds has been officially eliminated from the MLS Playoffs for the fourth season running. As well for the first time TFC will now finish a season in Major League Soccer with a lower points total than the previous year.

In this video blog I take a quick look back at the match, I call out a few players for a conspicuous lack of effort and I try and explain to the team why a lost cause is still battle worth fighting.

denime
10-10-2010, 07:55 PM
I've always thought the physicality of MLS was more brutal than top leagues. By that, I mean that without the skill level of big leagues (which are physical too) you get players who run around nailing you because they lost the ball and are trying to make up for it, or don't time challenges properly.

Big leagues have great athleticism and physicality too, but because the players are so skilled, there's a good balance there. You need to be athletic and physical to keep up, but the skill ensures that guys can't go around like butchers and hacks, which happens in MLS.

Bang on!

ilikemusic
10-10-2010, 08:06 PM
There was a game last night?

Frankly im disappointed DeRo and DeGuzman didnt go play for Canada instead of playing these meaningless games with Toronto.

denime
10-10-2010, 08:57 PM
There was a game last night?

Frankly im disappointed DeRo and DeGuzman didnt go play for Canada instead of playing these meaningless games with Toronto.

No need to be disappointed,Canada played much better without them.

They should not be called up for CMNT anymore,they are to old for 2014 anyway,time to give chance to younger,hungrier players to play for Canada.

Bars92
10-10-2010, 09:08 PM
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Why the heck are you posting American football clips? Just a simple question.

backbeat
10-10-2010, 10:21 PM
not sure what everyone was watching or maybe the game in 60 is toally different - didn't see the game live - and after seeing it was a 3-0 route thought - oh f*@k (f*@k) what a blow out - but no - actually from what i saw JDG played really well as did the team and if Santos had connected with any of the 4 potentials we could be very well looking at 3 points - not a bad game from what i saw and a definite red on Cann...

jimiv
10-10-2010, 10:45 PM
not sure what everyone was watching or maybe the game in 60 is toally different - didn't see the game live - and after seeing it was a 3-0 route thought - oh f*@k what a blow out - but no - actually from what i saw JDG played really well as did the team and if Santos had connected with any of the 4 potentials we could be very well looking at 3 points - not a bad game from what i saw and a definite red on Cann...


The game you watched was HEAVILY edited, ML$E has a way of making sure their "games in..." replays don't show how bad their product actually is.
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DoubleUp
10-11-2010, 02:26 AM
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That said, tonight, one of the best passes of the night was a terrific through ball from DeRo to Maicon.

Additionally, JDG was five yards from DeRo late in the second half when we were down a goal when DeRo refused to lay off the ball, held on to it giving it away leading to their second goal.

It's not a matter of who DeRo will or will not pass to, it is his judgement in regards to when he holds on and when he passes that is the real question.

He made some very nice plays tonight at the front but those two giveaways were truly awful.


This has always been Dero's problem, sometimes he just holds the ball to long.

Darlofletch
10-11-2010, 05:04 PM
not sure what everyone was watching or maybe the game in 60 is toally different - didn't see the game live - and after seeing it was a 3-0 route thought - oh f*@k what a blow out - but no - actually from what i saw JDG played really well as did the team and if Santos had connected with any of the 4 potentials we could be very well looking at 3 points - not a bad game from what i saw and a definite red on Cann...


The game you watched was HEAVILY edited, ML$E has a way of making sure their "games in..." replays don't show how bad their product actually is.
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I was at the game and agree with the first post i quoted. were we great? of course not, but 3-0 was really really harsh. like dasovic said post game on tfctv, they came up with a plan to be able to create chances and we did that, but they can't score the goals for them. If santos had scored one of the excellent chances he had and we'd gone up by 1, it would have been a completely different game.

after that we were chasing the game and threw more men forward. if cann hadn't had to go off, that might have worked, but after that, down to 10 men after already committing to a more attacking lineup we were always going to be vulnerable. I'd say 1-0 or even 1-1 would have been a fair result. we certainly looked more like winning than we did against seattle.

ilikemusic
10-11-2010, 06:13 PM
Why the heck are you posting American football clips? Just a simple question.

I like rants about shitty teams. Feel free to add some.

Steve
10-12-2010, 08:22 AM
What are you even arguing here? So how do you quantify physicality? Body checks thrown per game, broken bones? Come on give me solid facts on this message board.

- Bob Saget

It's more about how the ref calls the game. In MLS the ref doesn't call as much, and lets more physical play pass.

For me, the real difference between La Liga and MLS is really how the teams approach possession. In MLS, possession is more about brute force, winning 50/50 balls, and not much build up. What I mean is, in MLS players will keep the ball longer, pass it less, and there are probably fewer passes before a goal (though I don't have the stats to back that up). That means that, in MLS, defensive mids have to be good at tackling. They have to be good at taking a man on, and coming away with the ball. That was what Robinson excelled at. He was great at taking the ball away from the other team. Sure, he was terrible at passing after that, but he could stand a guy up with the best (in MLS) of them. In MLS (again, as a DM) you have to be tough physically, and force the person with the ball to make mistakes by pressuring them.

La Liga isn't like that. In La Liga, players are better with their feet. That means that, a DM that played a high pressure, tackling game would just look like an idiot because by the time they tried to make the tackle, the ball was already somewhere else. That means that DMs have to play a smarter, play reading type of game. They have to see where the pass is going before the pass is even placed, and be in the right place. They have to see where the dangerous pass is going to be in the future, and be there to make sure that option doesn't exist. That's what JDG is good at, unfortunately, MLS teams don't build the same way La Liga teams do. That means that when he backs up to stop the dangerous passes, the player with the ball makes a pass that's less dangerous, but still effective against an MLS defense.

The best example of that is the first game we played against Cruz Azul. Since they play a more dynamic, passing game, JDG was able to work effectively and shut down their offense.

Oldtimer
10-12-2010, 08:40 AM
MLS teams don't build the same way La Liga teams do. That means that when he backs up to stop the dangerous passes, the player with the ball makes a pass that's less dangerous, but still effective against an MLS defense.

The best example of that is the first game we played against Cruz Azul. Since they play a more dynamic, passing game, JDG was able to work effectively and shut down their offense.

That's the crux of the problem. JDG is a good player, but not a good MLS player. He's great against Mexican teams, but poor against MLS sides.

It all ends up with a poor signing for TFC, as we only face Mexican squads in CCL matches.