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denime
09-15-2010, 05:23 AM
Mornin'



Nick Dasovic Named Head Coach (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/09/nick-dasovic-named-head-coach)


Johnston, Preki Relieved Of Duties (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/09/johnston-preki-relieved-duties)


Statement From Mo Johnston (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/09/statement-mo-johnston)


Turnover Tuesday At BMO Field (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/09/turnover-tuesday-bmo-field)


Players get behind interim coach, Dasovic (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2010/09/14/15353241.html)


Not sorry to see Preki go (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2010/09/14/15353236.html)


Toronto FC cleans house (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-cleans-house/article1706805)


Johnston, Preki out at TFC (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/09/14/sp-johnston-preki-fired.html)


The right character (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/09/14/dobson_blog)


TFC starting over (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soccer/2010/09/14/15350681.html)


Constant turnover the Toronto way, and TFC joins the club (http://www.thestar.com/article/861102--young-constant-turnover-the-toronto-way-and-tfc-joins-the-club)



SUSNHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

Carts
09-15-2010, 05:30 AM
G'Morning D...

The more media attention we get - the more work you have to do here...

Thanks again kid!
Carts...

keem-o-sabi
09-15-2010, 06:09 AM
gm D, coed ladies 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/09/14/miss-coed-ryan-fox-pics/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/08/31/miss-coed-sheridyn-fisher/)

Parkdale
09-15-2010, 06:42 AM
Today is the first day of the PostMo era.

I'm optimistic.

Wull
09-15-2010, 06:56 AM
Now here's the big question, what kind of photos does Dasovic have on anselmi?!

lips
09-15-2010, 06:57 AM
Mornin'

Wull
09-15-2010, 06:59 AM
and someone should tell both the journo and jdg we don't expect him to score a goal very often, we just want him to be stronger, win more tackles and stop passing balls to the opposition

Technorgasm
09-15-2010, 07:04 AM
IF we win tonight. or hell.. even lose but the lads take the field with vigor and determination. . . the back room distraction will surely be blames.

whatever teh motivation, I hope that this upheavel translates something postive onto the field. Seeing the list of mis step trades (ruiz, Vitti) in print was shocking. In this league you are only 2-3 trades away from success.. . . lets hope TFC can graba slice of that.

Cashcleaner
09-15-2010, 07:06 AM
Today is the first day of the PostMo era.

I'm optimistic.

This post built me up.


Today is the first day of Phase 2 of the Anselmi era.

I'm not overly optimistic.

This post brought me back down.

Seriously though, I think we gotta look at this as a definite positive. My hope now is that the revolving door will be stopped for at least a handful of seasons and this club can concentrate on winning rather than worrying about everything behind-the-scenes. Everything about the team feels different now, though I admit I share some doubts just as George does.

deltox
09-15-2010, 07:08 AM
i just watched some of the CCL videos from last night. the Crew had just over 5000 at the game.

if we ever got 5000 people to any game, people would go nuts

Oldtimer
09-15-2010, 07:56 AM
An excellent commentary on the Score's Footy blog:


Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Toronto FC

Less than 72 hours after the worst day in Toronto FC’s history the sun rose on the city this Tuesday morning and it became one of the best days in the short history of this club.
Director of Soccer Operations Mo Johnston and head coach Preki are gone and a new slate begins at the offices at BMO Field with interim coach Nick Dasovic and interim Director of Soccer Operations Earl Cochrane taking over.
It’s my feeling that this is a wonderful day for the club.

http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/2010/09/14/merry-christmas-happy-new-year-toronto-fc/

koryo
09-15-2010, 07:56 AM
Like I said yesterday, it's now down to Anselmi to hire the right people. He fails to do that, then get out your pitchforks and torches!

Fort York Redcoat
09-15-2010, 08:03 AM
I'll settle for a point tonight away to RSL but they better not play that way.

Oldtimer
09-15-2010, 08:03 AM
More reaction from the Footy blog:

http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/2010/09/15/more-tfc-reaction-from-james-kj/

James & KJ video blog.

ManUtd4ever
09-15-2010, 08:25 AM
An excellent commentary on the Score's Footy blog:

http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/2010/09/14/merry-christmas-happy-new-year-toronto-fc/

This article is spot on...

Preki came into the club like a typhoon and ruled with an iron fist that the players disliked. Some players have openly told me that they had never run more in training under any manager than they did under Preki and had never concentrated less on the ball. This is why Preki is no longer at the club. The players won that battle.

Tactically, I thought he did what he could with the ‘talent’ he was given. There is no doubt that Johnston failed the club in his cap management and in the transfer market. Preki had very little to work with and the result looks like a 4th successive season without a playoff berth.

That is also what brings you to Christmas Day in Toronto FC land, Tuesday September 14th. Saturday’s pathetic loss at home to DC United presented MLSE a nightmare scenario in front of their very own eyes and it happened a lot sooner than they expected.

No creativity from the team
A loss at home to the worst team in the league
A lot of empty seats
No atmosphere from the true supporters of the club (and that is key)
And a likely final nail in their playoff hopes

shutupkid
09-15-2010, 08:29 AM
Let's talk about the real issue: WTF happened to the SSG's face?

deltox
09-15-2010, 08:33 AM
it looks like RSL have about 4 players out with injury tonight

TFC Cityboy
09-15-2010, 08:52 AM
This article is spot on...

Preki came into the club like a typhoon and ruled with an iron fist that the players disliked. Some players have openly told me that they had never run more in training under any manager than they did under Preki and had never concentrated less on the ball. This is why Preki is no longer at the club. The players won that battle.

Tactically, I thought he did what he could with the ‘talent’ he was given. There is no doubt that Johnston failed the club in his cap management and in the transfer market. Preki had very little to work with and the result looks like a 4th successive season without a playoff berth.


That is also what brings you to Christmas Day in Toronto FC land, Tuesday September 14th. Saturday’s pathetic loss at home to DC United presented MLSE a nightmare scenario in front of their very own eyes and it happened a lot sooner than they expected.

No creativity from the team
A loss at home to the worst team in the league
A lot of empty seats
No atmosphere from the true supporters of the club (and that is key)
And a likely final nail in their playoff hopes


like it or not, player power trumps the coach every time. You simply cannot fire the whole team, but you can fire the coach/GM.

Plus, these days, most top players are earning more than their boss (tho likely few in the MLS)...it's a a crazy world we live in

Roogsy
09-15-2010, 08:57 AM
Let's talk about the real issue: WTF happened to the SSG's face?

It appears they have started recruiting Jersey Shore rejects.

J .
09-15-2010, 09:07 AM
This article is spot on...

Preki came into the club like a typhoon and ruled with an iron fist that the players disliked. Some players have openly told me that they had never run more in training under any manager than they did under Preki and had never concentrated less on the ball. This is why Preki is no longer at the club. The players won that battle.

Tactically, I thought he did what he could with the ‘talent’ he was given. There is no doubt that Johnston failed the club in his cap management and in the transfer market. Preki had very little to work with and the result looks like a 4th successive season without a playoff berth.


That is also what brings you to Christmas Day in Toronto FC land, Tuesday September 14th. Saturday’s pathetic loss at home to DC United presented MLSE a nightmare scenario in front of their very own eyes and it happened a lot sooner than they expected.

No creativity from the team
A loss at home to the worst team in the league
A lot of empty seats
No atmosphere from the true supporters of the club (and that is key)
And a likely final nail in their playoff hopes



Yup, article goes on about the lack of talent and they sure do lack talent, so he wanted a team that could run a lot and work hard. I guess the players didnt like that.

Lets go back to the country club that cost us playoffs last season in NY. Good stuff. I am looking forward to easy platitudes about effort and oranges at half.

Hopefully they launch some of these idiots who didnt want to work out. Professionals bitching about working on in training. Idiots.

scooter
09-15-2010, 09:14 AM
and someone should tell both the journo and jdg we don't expect him to score a goal very often, we just want him to be stronger, win more tackles and stop passing balls to the opposition

x2 hear hear

Carts
09-15-2010, 09:14 AM
The first day of the 'Post Mo Era' to me means we've torn down a bad building...

The day we hire someone who can do the job properly will be like pouring the foundation...

The point being - we have a long way to go...

It is the right step in building success...

But be serious, a complete turn won't happen overnight...

But like buying a brand new house, stay positive as the building process happens - supporters the workers on site - and be excited for the final product...

Carts...

ManUtd4ever
09-15-2010, 09:23 AM
Yup, article goes on about the lack of talent and they sure do lack talent, so he wanted a team that could run a lot and work hard. I guess the players didnt like that.

Lets go back to the country club that cost us playoffs last season in NY. Good stuff. I am looking forward to easy platitudes about effort and oranges at half.

Hopefully they launch some of these idiots who didnt want to work out. Professionals bitching about working on in training. Idiots.

I understand your sentiment, but I just don't see any evidence to support the notion that the players weren't willing to put in the work ethic that Preki demanded. Despite the overall disappointment of this season, I think it has been fairly evident that this year's squad was the hardest working club in TFC's short history. The first time I noticed any sense of lethargy from the players was against DCU and I attribute that to the drama that was going on behind the scenes between Preki and Dasovic.

I have no insider information whatsoever but I am willing to accept that the player allegations regarding a focus on vigorous training and a lack of tactical instruction in practice are true. The results on the pitch support the allegations. TFC was in better shape this year, conceded fewer goals against, demonstrated a tremendous work ethic, but severely lacked creativity in the offensive third of the pitch.

Ivan
09-15-2010, 09:44 AM
When I saw that Bryce Alderson (not Alderton) signed with the Shitecaps I thought, WTF. A star Ontario youth player should be a slam dunk TFC Academy player, at least. Lads, more than current results and prospects for next year I'm more than a little worried about the state of TFC's base and organization. The Academy is a given, and mandated by MLS, but we should have at least as good a development system as Vancouver and currently we don't (and I'm not just saying this because I'm a Spurs supporter and they have a Spurs ex-CEO in charge).

To me the next GM has to have a broad development plan, first and foremost. I'm talking Ajax, West Ham, Bayern-style, right down to 7 year olds. There should be no question that TFC pulls in every Canadian star and we compete with a team built more on local development and less on Mistas etc. That's my opinion. If we win the MLS Cup in the next three years with almost all imports will you honestly care as much as if we compete year in year out with young Canadian talent and win the Cup in five or eight years?

Fuck me I'm depressed about this shite state of affairs. I don't see nearly enough vision re:development coming from ML$E.

Roogsy
09-15-2010, 09:46 AM
I understand your sentiment, but I just don't see any evidence to support the notion that the players weren't willing to put in the work ethic that Preki demanded. Despite the overall disappointment of this season, I think it has been fairly evident that this year's squad was the hardest working club in TFC's short history. The first time I noticed any sense of lethargy from the players was against DCU and I attribute that to the drama that was going on behind the scenes between Preki and Dasovic.

I have no insider information whatsoever but I am willing to accept that the player allegations regarding a focus on vigorous training and a lack of tactical instruction in practice are true. The results on the pitch support the allegations. TFC was in better shape this year, conceded fewer goals against, demonstrated a tremendous work ethic, but severely lacked creativity in the offensive third of the pitch.

Best post I have read since the announcement. It says it all.

Darlofletch
09-15-2010, 09:48 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/bold-choices-needed-at-bmo-field/article1707927/

Paul James take on things. a lot of very good points in there.

Fort York Redcoat
09-15-2010, 10:11 AM
When I saw that Bryce Alderson (not Alderton) signed with the Shitecaps I thought, WTF. A star Ontario youth player should be a slam dunk TFC Academy player, at least. Lads, more than current results and prospects for next year I'm more than a little worried about the state of TFC's base and organization. The Academy is a given, and mandated by MLS, but we should have at least as good a development system as Vancouver and currently we don't (and I'm not just saying this because I'm a Spurs supporter and they have a Spurs ex-CEO in charge).

To me the next GM has to have a broad development plan, first and foremost. I'm talking Ajax, West Ham, Bayern-style, right down to 7 year olds. There should be no question that TFC pulls in every Canadian star and we compete with a team built more on local development and less on Mistas etc. That's my opinion. If we win the MLS Cup in the next three years with almost all imports will you honestly care as much as if we compete year in year out with young Canadian talent and win the Cup in five or eight years?

Fuck me I'm depressed about this shite state of affairs. I don't see nearly enough vision re:development coming from ML$E.

So you're sorry we lost one. Granted. You do know where the Accies are in the CSL table, right? I mean that must be a good for the Academies rep, no?

werewolf
09-15-2010, 10:26 AM
Kreis criticizes Preki firing.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/kick-kreis-criticizes-preki-move-sj-phi-tonight

Ivan
09-15-2010, 10:27 AM
So you're sorry we lost one. Granted. You do know where the Accies are in the CSL table, right? I mean that must be a good for the Academies rep, no?

I do follow CSL and attend a lot of games, Academy's included. No disrespect to the Academy or what Bent's accomplished. They are doing great. I want them to have more support and there just needs to be a lot more going on than a Senior and Junior Academy program -- investment in residency programs and a plan for spreading the net even wider, as it seems Vancouver has done well. Anyway. I'm 100% behind TFC, I just want the best for Canadian soccer, too, is all.

Yohan
09-15-2010, 11:06 AM
Medhi Ballouchy traded to NY for Mac Kandji to Colorado

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-league-soccer/2010/09/14/2118154/colorado-rapids-acquire-mac-kandji-from-new-york-red-bulls

Possibly a very significant trade. NY has been looking for a creative midfielder since the beginning of season, and Ballouchy, while inconsistent, has the tools to provide service to Henry and Angel. Heck, anyone playing with Angel and Henry should look good. NY midfield looks ridiculous with Lindpere, Ballouchy, Marquez and Richards.

Kandji, aka MLS version of Didier Drogba minus the finish. Colorado already has strong striking team of Casey and Cummings, and Kandji provides the 3rd option off the bench. I also think if Colorado isn't willing to shell out to give Casey a raise at the end of the season, Kandji might be asked to fill in the role Casey had.

Both teams should be set to make a run in the playoffs

spark
09-15-2010, 11:09 AM
So you're sorry we lost one. Granted. You do know where the Accies are in the CSL table, right? I mean that must be a good for the Academies rep, no?

Actually, it's two. Russell Tiebert, 2009 CSA U17 player of the year left the TFC Academy for Vancouver as well.

ensco
09-15-2010, 11:16 AM
ESPN wades in. They're also wondering about why Preki got canned.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5575167/axe-falls-toronto-fc

flatpicker
09-15-2010, 11:27 AM
CCL preview: Toronto FC vs. Real Salt Lake (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/09/15/sp-tfc-rsl-p.html#socialcomments-submit)
cbc.ca

nfitz
09-15-2010, 11:36 AM
Are we boycotting Paul James? I read his column in my newspaper this morning, and was about to comment, but I didn't see it listed here. If we are, just delete this.

Bold choices needed at BMO Field (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/bold-choices-needed-at-bmo-field/article1707927/)

Was it me, or was he throwing his hat in the ring, in some passive-agressive way?

scooter
09-15-2010, 11:50 AM
oh and mornin d

what a shake up -- we can only hope

player wise i hope they are carefull i watched buttle last night score a corker

scooter
09-15-2010, 11:54 AM
I do follow CSL and attend a lot of games, Academy's included. No disrespect to the Academy or what Bent's accomplished. They are doing great. I want them to have more support and there just needs to be a lot more going on than a Senior and Junior Academy program -- investment in residency programs and a plan for spreading the net even wider, as it seems Vancouver has done well. Anyway. I'm 100% behind TFC, I just want the best for Canadian soccer, too, is all.

so you dont know that tfc academy has partner up with an ottawa soccer club and making sure all the senior coaches are canadian certified
they are also working on other clubs too

i hear ya cause we all want to see more but realize what the academy has done so far is light years ahead of what has been done in the past and they deserve our support

CoachGT
09-15-2010, 12:15 PM
TFC Academy has partnered up with a bunch of clubs and academies in Ontario, Bryst included.

Kind of surprised that nobody has mentioned NYRB trading Khanji to RSL yesterday.

DichioTFC
09-15-2010, 12:28 PM
ESPN wades in. They're also wondering about why Preki got canned.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5575167/axe-falls-toronto-fc

I really like this article.


So why is it that what worked with Chivas failed in Toronto? The fact that Preki had served as a Chivas assistant prior to taking over from Bob Bradley in 2007 was no doubt beneficial. It provided the Chivas players with a level of familiarity that their counterparts in Toronto lacked. The team had also enjoyed some success prior to Preki taking over, and when Chivas continued to reach the postseason in subsequent years, it gave the manager substantial cover. Players may have groused privately, but winning, as it always does, left them little room to complain.

It implies we'll have success with Daso in charge due to his familiarity with the club.

The big problem with Preki was a clash of personalities. He wants a hard-working and driven squad. Fine. But, for better or for worse, our squad is not comprised of 'run-all-damn-day' players. We have professional guys, resolute guys and I'm sure there must be some easy going guys as well. My point is that the coach, as a manger, doesn't set the team culture but adopts to whats already there and molds a new culture gradually. Preki didn't do that, he cracked the whip. When times got worse, he cracked it harder. The players ran themselves into the ground and he kept cracking the whip. This may have worked for a team of Barretts and even the Tevezs of the world, but we do not have a squad of work rate-driven players. De Rosario is 32 and is not getting younger. Brennan is case and point of a player who couldn't handle it.

Preki didn't have to be liked, but he did have to be respected. If he had imposed his will gradually and been more lenient with the work rate, setting a culture where the players enjoyed playing; he could have become a coach here for a long time.

The next coach we get must be able to adapt to the culture of whats there and be prepared to incorporate a new culture bearing in mind the personalities that exist.

J .
09-15-2010, 01:02 PM
I understand your sentiment, but I just don't see any evidence to support the notion that the players weren't willing to put in the work ethic that Preki demanded. Despite the overall disappointment of this season, I think it has been fairly evident that this year's squad was the hardest working club in TFC's short history. The first time I noticed any sense of lethargy from the players was against DCU and I attribute that to the drama that was going on behind the scenes between Preki and Dasovic.

I have no insider information whatsoever but I am willing to accept that the player allegations regarding a focus on vigorous training and a lack of tactical instruction in practice are true. The results on the pitch support the allegations. TFC was in better shape this year, conceded fewer goals against, demonstrated a tremendous work ethic, but severely lacked creativity in the offensive third of the pitch.

Well the evidence is in the allegations of a vigorous training program, and I am suspect of DeRo and JDGs rush condemnations as if it will cover they havent shown up in over a month. They are two players who have lately performed well below expectations.

Preki planned on playing a short passing, posession oriented brand of football, but the players are not technically sound enough to carry that out. The talent, not the coach has created this "anti-football".

Because the players kept launching the ball as though Barrett was there to run onto it, isnt Prekis fault and in terms of season expectations he never promised playoffs, Mo and Anselmi did.

The team for the most part battled harder, improved their back line, but without Barrett up top our offense lacked pace and width. Without anyone else aside from DeRo to score, the team failed. Mista, OBW and Peterson are massive signing failures.

What this shows is the character of the TFC locker room. The knives came out with Daso, DeRo and JDG. With some some key injuries, the teams lack of character as well as talent lead to another late season collapse.

keem-o-sabi
09-15-2010, 01:06 PM
So this is how many coaches the players have had a mutiny on now??? Wasn't this the case before too?

Oldtimer
09-15-2010, 01:24 PM
Well the evidence is in the allegations of a vigorous training program, and I am suspect of DeRo and JDGs rush condemnations as if it will cover they havent shown up in over a month. They are two players who have lately performed well below expectations.

Preki planned on playing a short passing, posession oriented brand of football, but the players are not technically sound enough to carry that out. The talent, not the coach has created this "anti-football".



I can't disagree more. DeRo in particular didn't play "anti-football" under Cummins. The only change was the coach.

If the players aren't technically sound enough... well most of those players were brought in by Preki.

I couldn't stand the football played under Preki. We have a number of players, both past and present condemning Preki's lack of tactics. I choose to believe the players over your comments.

maninb
09-15-2010, 01:58 PM
Any manager who spends 60% of his practise time on FITNESS sessions, even during the regular season when players are usually tired...just doesn't get it!!! Good riddance Preki!!

GBV
09-15-2010, 04:46 PM
damn canadians, i tell ya!

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5576671/preki-no-regrets-being-fired-toronto-fc

J .
09-15-2010, 04:50 PM
damn canadians, i tell ya!

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5576671/preki-no-regrets-being-fired-toronto-fc

When asked to respond to the comments of his former charges, Preki said: "I don't need to elaborate on the things that De Rosario and De Guzman said. You can see the work I've done with Chivas USA. It's a couple of Canadian guys making those comments. That's all I have to say about that."


Pretty much. What is the NT 88th? JDG back to the oranges at half and DeRo, maybe score a goal, its been how long?

jloome
09-15-2010, 05:36 PM
Well the evidence is in the allegations of a vigorous training program, and I am suspect of DeRo and JDGs rush condemnations as if it will cover they havent shown up in over a month. They are two players who have lately performed well below expectations.

Preki planned on playing a short passing, posession oriented brand of football, but the players are not technically sound enough to carry that out. The talent, not the coach has created this "anti-football".

Because the players kept launching the ball as though Barrett was there to run onto it, isnt Prekis fault and in terms of season expectations he never promised playoffs, Mo and Anselmi did.

The team for the most part battled harder, improved their back line, but without Barrett up top our offense lacked pace and width. Without anyone else aside from DeRo to score, the team failed. Mista, OBW and Peterson are massive signing failures.

What this shows is the character of the TFC locker room. The knives came out with Daso, DeRo and JDG. With some some key injuries, the teams lack of character as well as talent lead to another late season collapse.

What this shows, by your own definition, was that Preki had one set of tactics and stuck to them even when he didn't have the tools for the job. That's not a good reason for patience.

Oldtimer
09-15-2010, 06:02 PM
damn canadians, i tell ya!

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5576671/preki-no-regrets-being-fired-toronto-fc


"It's a couple of Canadian guys making those comments. That's all I have to say about that."

That explains why he let guys like Serioux go, in favour of Eastern Europeans.

J .
09-15-2010, 06:02 PM
What this shows, by your own definition, was that Preki had one set of tactics and stuck to them even when he didn't have the tools for the job. That's not a good reason for patience.


There is what he wanted and tried to do, and what the team was capable of doing. The team didn't magically start to massively become horrible over the last six matches.

If anything, TFC had one bad month under Preki and a gaggle of players complained about the vigorous training.

We defeated one of the biggest clubs on the continent and now all of a sudden he cant coach?

Please.

Its like my above quote, there were some players, DeRo and JDG, namely, who ended up having a suck over it. Two years they failed us in August and they blame the coach or whoever they can.

Toronto doesnt have a technically gifted team. They win when they out work the other club its simple and the forward poach a goal or two.

Its the same thing with the National Team. There is always blame, but never the players.

Darlofletch
09-15-2010, 06:03 PM
What this shows, by your own definition, was that Preki had one set of tactics and stuck to them even when he didn't have the tools for the job. That's not a good reason for patience.

That's definitely true, a defensive outlook like Prekis' plan A requires the forwards to be able to create chances for themselves and Obie was never good enough to thrive in that situation.

Unfortunately plan b never really materialised.

TFC07
09-15-2010, 06:15 PM
damn canadians, i tell ya!

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5576671/preki-no-regrets-being-fired-toronto-fc

What does he have against Canadians?

TFC07
09-15-2010, 06:16 PM
That explains why he let guys like Serioux go, in favour of Eastern Europeans.

And demoting Dasovic!