Kansas City Wizards New Stadium

[troy1982]

MLS second most expensive stadium ($160Million) is well under constructions

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Early August pics
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Also Houston new stadium just began construction

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[andyc]

Imagine - A stadium with a roof...

Who would have thought of that???

[Redpunkfiddle]

Imagine - A stadium with a roof...

Who would have thought of that???

Its the latest thing! Now with New Technology.

It looks like we were the last of the last generation of MLS standard stadiums. There were reasons, but now we live with that great big open sky.,,

[ren989]

have to keep all those fans dry!!

oh wait...

[Redcoe15]

$160 MILLION?!!

Geez, that's nice.

[rocker]

whatcha guys talkin' bout? Guess you've never been to BMO Field. It has a roof... :smilewinkgrin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/West-stand-bmo-field.jpg

[Canary Canuck]

Very funny

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[Detroit_TFC]

whatcha guys talkin' bout? Guess you've never been to BMO Field. It has a roof... :smilewinkgrin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/West-stand-bmo-field.jpg

LOL That little overhang has kept me dry more than once in 221!

[Super]

I have a feeling that a roof is coming our way in the near future. Now that we're not selling out as easily anymore, it would seem like a good plan from a financial perspective to put a roof on BMO - and that's usually when TFC will move to spend.

[manic.street.preacher]

i really like the look of the new KC one, it'll be good for them to get out of that baseball field eh?

[flatpicker]

I have a feeling that a roof is coming our way in the near future. Now that we're not selling out as easily anymore, it would seem like a good plan from a financial perspective to put a roof on BMO - and that's usually when TFC will move to spend.


I was just thinking this too.

TFC/MLSE aren't usually in a rush to spend cash.
And when they do, they usually open the wallet at key times in order to maintain fan interest and buzz.

Just as they did with grass, and DP... I think a roof would be a logical next step to keep interest in the club.

And I can't wait, because I am sure the atmosphere would be 100x better.

[Shway]

I was just thinking this too.

TFC/MLSE aren't usually in a rush to spend cash.
And when they do, they usually open the wallet at key times in order to maintain fan interest and buzz.

Just as they did with grass, and DP... I think a roof would be a logical next step to keep interest in the club.

And I can't wait, because I am sure the atmosphere would be 100x better.

I can imagine when BMO gets a roof on it!....do you know how loudd its going to be in there, when you watch the game on TV you can the supoprters cleary, just think when theres a roof over!.......chants will be able to catch on easier:rolleyes:,

[koryo]

whatcha guys talkin' bout? Guess you've never been to BMO Field. It has a roof... :smilewinkgrin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/West-stand-bmo-field.jpg

Doesn't a roof have to cover something to be considered a roof though? :D

[troy1982]

dome new pics

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[__wowza]

*siiiigh* seeing stuff like that upsets me. i know it's our home and all but BMO looks increasingly like a second rate park compared to these things.

[__wowza]

THIS JUST IN:
Toronto FC have been forced to move this Saturday's game against DC united due to the OFSAA U16 girls soccer finals who had booked the grounds first.

[Hitcho]

Didn't it come out in a thread somewhere that they can;t put a roof on BMO for architectural reasons? No supports were built in and there's nowhere to put them?

I think we've probably seen as much development of BMO Field as we are ever going to. There's no space to expand any of the stands and it wasn't designed for that anyway.

If TFC (and MLS generally) ever takes off enough then we might feasibly see a new stadium being built for us like NYC, KC, etc, but only if MLSE think they can get their money back on it and then some. That's going to be at least a decade, if we're lucky, and more likely two or three lease renewals at BMO Field down the line because quite frankly, where the fuck would they build it? Any feasile location would cost a bomb in land terms, never mind construction on top.

[boban]

I think we've probably seen as much development of BMO Field as we are ever going to. There's no space to expand any of the stands and it wasn't designed for that anyway.
Says who? It has expansion written all over it.

[Pookie]

I have a feeling that a roof is coming our way in the near future. Now that we're not selling out as easily anymore, it would seem like a good plan from a financial perspective to put a roof on BMO - and that's usually when TFC will move to spend.

... that way they can point to the investment in the team while singlehandedly creating the atmosphere we all love.

[ag futbol]

Good little stadium they have there.

With the roof it definitely looks to be an upgrade over parks like Toyota, PCL, or Rio Tinto.

In a way i think we'll be lucky with BMO, because TFC down the raod will be the first ones to rebuild their stadium or make major upgrades. And let's face it, other than maybe Seattle (which is a push) you can't top our location.

[troy1982]

Some mid October pics

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[prizby]

money well spent

[CretanBull]

They deserve it. I've had nothing but good experiences with other MLS fans, and I put the supporters in KC at the top of the list.

[TheKing7]

http://sportingkc.io-media.com/

:(

[flatpicker]

:(

GFT!

[TFC/Everton]

BMO is the Skydome of MLS stadiums.

[ManUtd4ever]

http://sportingkc.io-media.com/

:(

That looks sweet! BMO Field could actually have a similar look if MLSE ever invests in an encompassing roof built around the existing infrastructure...

[DavydMT]

if you take time to listen and research you will get it right

[babone]

I thought they put in a roof cause of the pan am games?

[ginkster88]

That's a nice terrace they have there.

[boban]

BMO is the Skydome of MLS stadiums.
What the fuck does this mean?
SkyDome was at least in its early years cutting edge as far as stadium design and concepts.
Even today it doesn't look all that bad. You could tell some thought and effort was put into it.
The NSS was neither. From the outset it was made a shit hole and continues to be.

[TheKing7]

What the fuck does this mean?
SkyDome was at least in its early years cutting edge as far as stadium design and concepts.
Even today it doesn't look all that bad. You could tell some thought and effort was put into it.
The NSS was neither. From the outset it was made a shit hole and continues to be.

Sorry Boban, I have to disagree - the SkyDome is the most unattractive ballpark in the MLB.

[flatpicker]

What the fuck does this mean?
SkyDome was at least in its early years cutting edge as far as stadium design and concepts.
Even today it doesn't look all that bad. You could tell some thought and effort was put into it.
The NSS was neither. From the outset it was made a shit hole and continues to be.


Sorry Boban, I have to disagree - the SkyDome is the most unattractive ballpark in the MLB.


I think you are both right.
SkyDome was "cutting edge" in its day... mostly from a technological standpoint.
It's architectural qualities were driven by functionality.
And as a result, it's never been aesthetically pleasing.
It's a big hunk of concrete and steel.
It would be nice to see it get a make-over...
not sure how, but there must be something that would spruce it up a bit.

[DavydMT]

...
not sure how, but there must be something that would spruce it up a bit.

make it glow and change color, just saying.

http://rickoshea.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/barcelona-new-camp-nou.jpg

[flatpicker]

^ i was actually thinking of something along those lines.
Something that would add a little colour and pizazz to the exterior.
Or even something like they did with the AGO... some creative glass forms attached to the outside.
It would take some cash, but might be cheaper than building a new stadium.

[Beach_Red]

What the fuck does this mean?
SkyDome was at least in its early years cutting edge as far as stadium design and concepts.
Even today it doesn't look all that bad. You could tell some thought and effort was put into it.
The NSS was neither. From the outset it was made a shit hole and continues to be.

Both stadiums seem to have been built at the end of an era - after SkyDome baseball parks all went for that 'old time' outdoor feel and after BMO soccer stadiums in North America seem to be taking it up a notch. At least with BMO it was never state of the art or high end, so it will be easier to upgrade it.

Could you imagine if the Blue Jays went looking for government money for a new ballpark?

[CretanBull]

BMO was built on the cheap by a company that wasn't sure if soccer was going to be a success. If they knew then what they know now, we'd have a MUCH different stadium.

[babone]

So the question is are there any plan to bring BMO to the new standered?

[flatpicker]

So the question is are there any plan to bring BMO to the new standered?

Sure... next time they need to give fans a reason to renew season tickets.

[boban]

Sorry Boban, I have to disagree - the SkyDome is the most unattractive ballpark in the MLB.
Read my post again. Today, yes.
But when it was first built lots of people were in awe of it.
That never ever happened with the NSS.



Both stadiums seem to have been built at the end of an era - after SkyDome baseball parks all went for that 'old time' outdoor feel and after BMO soccer stadiums in North America seem to be taking it up a notch. At least with BMO it was never state of the art or high end....
Thats all I am saying.

[boban]

BMO was built on the cheap by a company that wasn't sure if soccer was going to be a success. If they knew then what they know now, we'd have a MUCH different stadium.
Correction. They knew from day one it was going to be a success.
Only the level of success was in question.
They were more interested in pocketing the revenues.

[CretanBull]

Correction. They knew from day one it was going to be a success.
Only the level of success was in question.
They were more interested in pocketing the revenues.

There's some truth in that. It wasn't a total gamble on their part, but the level of success and how quickly it came caught them off guard for sure. If they knew then what they know how, we'd have a stadium like they have in NY now - and our season ticket prices would have been even higher (from day 1).

[aboveandbeyond]

make no mistake bmo is the biggest shithole known to man .. until the rbp usector and nee covinced them after 4 years they finally got grass.. everything is on the cheap no class no character..
typical..
fucking glorified highschool stadium in many places in US .
good margins tho ..
can someone buy me a beer?

[king dave]

A brand new hotel is being finished beside the new stadium in KC as well.
Best Western or Marriot as I recall.
This road trip just get's better and better each year.
KD.

[jloome]

make no mistake bmo is the biggest shithole known to man .. until the rbp usector and nee covinced them after 4 years they finally got grass.. everything is on the cheap no class no character..
typical..
fucking glorified highschool stadium in many places in US .
good margins tho ..
can someone buy me a beer?

I really like BMO. Convenient, easy to get in and out of, food and beer were fucking expensive but always are. Been in football grounds all over and it's all in how much you're enjoying the day anyway, as long as you're close to the pitch and people are singing.

[rocker]

Correction. They knew from day one it was going to be a success.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism

[rocker]

I really like BMO. Convenient, easy to get in and out of, food and beer were fucking expensive but always are. Been in football grounds all over and it's all in how much you're enjoying the day anyway, as long as you're close to the pitch and people are singing.

I like this perspective.

I've never had a problem with BMO when I'm sitting in the stands. It's a great place to watch a game, just a 20 minute comfortable train ride from my home. Now, those who need to be pampered by amenities will have a problem with BMO, but in the end the views are great.

KC Stadium looks great, but from reading the perspectives of the owners, they planned a stadium that's a deliberate response to the stadiums that have been built the past few years. They could not have planned such a stadium in 2006.

[boban]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism
Go fuck yourself rocker and your stupid idiotic posts like this.
Sorry if you don't know the details of how MLSE truly operates and plans.

[troy1982]

Some pics from last Thursday

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[troy1982]

5 more weeks for completion of LiveStrong Sporting Park

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[prizby]

would love to know what makes their locker room the most technological in the world...find that hard to believe

[Brooker]

what is that thing hanging above all the stands?

[Toronto Ruffrider]

what is that thing hanging above all the stands?

I don't know, I've never seen anything like it in Toronto.

[habstfc]

Now the question is will the people of kansas and missouri come and watch soccer there? They're not doing it in new york.

[__wowza]

would love to know what makes their locker room the most technological in the world...

prizby, i actually have an answer to that.
one of my buddies moved down to the states not too long ago and is working with the company thats doing a lot of the base work on the park.

doing the base work means that he has to come back and do constant checks to see how the foundation is holding up after everything's being piled up on it. making sure the stadium doesn't collapse, etc, pretty standard stuff.

so anyways, he got a tour and managed to slip out to their locker rooms and he was abso-fucking-lutely in awe over how crazy they were. he took a pic of these new fangled, high-grade hydration systems they got..















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looks to be a water fountain no doubt! pure. class.

[__wowza]

Now the question is will the people of kansas and missouri come and watch soccer there? They're not doing it in new york.

thats half the point of building a stadium. one of the main reasons is that the revenue gets controlled by the clubs. they get sponsorship to help, they get deals struck up with their cities, they get to do what they want with (for the most part). the red bulls used to play in a stadium where they'd be responsible for 80,000+ seats, where they liked it or not. on top of that, they didn't even own it, they rented it from the giants!!

[Brooker]

LOL hook, line, sinker...

[TFCDP]

So effin jealous of this stadium.

[Flint]

Stadium looks great! Makes a road trip this year all that more appealing!

[drewski]

I think you are both right.
SkyDome was "cutting edge" in its day... mostly from a technological standpoint.
It's architectural qualities were driven by functionality.
And as a result, it's never been aesthetically pleasing.
It's a big hunk of concrete and steel.
It would be nice to see it get a make-over...
not sure how, but there must be something that would spruce it up a bit.


ya, in it's day it was cutting edge, and even architecturally was one of the better one of it's generation, ie. big multi-purpose (metrodome, kingdome, bc place, etc). it just suffered from bad timing cause the new throwback, sport-specific stadiums started being built soon after.

[__wowza]

So effin jealous of this stadium.

i think we all are. i agree whole-heartedly that MLSE never thought the sport would catch on like it did. it's been evident since their increased allotment of seasons seats released to the public (i think they increased SSH tickets at 3 separate points) and the overall cost of the facility. when i say "the cost of the facility" i mean it in every sense of the word, but don't take my word for the shortsighted investment in the stadium.. let's see how we stack up against our peers:

all prices adjusted for inflation as of 2010
all prices adjusted to Canadian dollars
all prices calculated based off of year ground broke
YRSTADIUM

06 BMO FIELD: 65.6 mil
11 JELD-WEN FIELD: 102 mil*11 LIVESTRONG PARK: 160 mil
10 PPL PARK: 120 mil
11 RB ARENA: 180-200 mil
06 TOYOTA PARK: 100.5 mil
07 DICKS SG PARK: 137.6 mil
03 HOME DEPOT CENTER: 177.3 mil
04 PIZZA HUT PARK: 91.5 mil
06 RIO TINTO: 124.1 mil
12 DYNAMO STADIUM: 110 mil

*including original building cost and renovations

RSL and chicago fire both broke ground on a new stadium the same year we did. yet ours came in at a lower cost and, wait for it, with the same amount of seats. kick in the fuckin pants eh? there's only ONE club that has a SSS in the same league as us, that costs less and has a similar amount of seating. i hate to say that this is one of the things we trump them at, but read it and weep..

99 CREW STADIUM: 36.9 mil

:facepalm: FML

[kodiakTFC]

We know BMO is a tin can but it has got character and I love it. I would love it if the filled in the corners and added a roof but I'll live.

[mastermixer]

Once MLSE gets to desperation mode with lowered attendance, I think you will see that roof be built quicker than you think. Seriously, it can't cost that much to add it... just hire some of those eastern european aluminum siding guys they will bang it out in a week. :)

[Alixir]

Once MLSE gets to desperation mode with lowered attendance, I think you will see that roof be built quicker than you think. Seriously, it can't cost that much to add it... just hire some of those eastern european aluminum siding guys they will bang it out in a week. :)knowing our FO we would probably get a roof made out of vapour barrier stappled to 1x2s.

[BFin]

would love to know what makes their locker room the most technological in the world...find that hard to believe

They have installed sybians in each of the players stalls. Should help them relax pre-game.

[Alixir]

They have installed sybians in each of the players stalls. Should help them relax pre-game.they also have those futuristic urinals that flush by themselves when you walk away!!!

[__wowza]

They have installed sybians in each of the players stalls. Should help them relax pre-game.

:facepalm: this.. might be the first time i've ever heard a sybian reference made on this board. i don't know which is better, the fact that i found it funny or the fact that i know what those are.

[rocker]

hahah... had to google that word... now i know!

Teal Bunbury will love it.

[billyfly]

Bfin is in marketing. Those guys know everything.

[mdc 77]

We know BMO is a tin can but it has got character and I love it. I would love it if the filled in the corners and added a roof but I'll live.

Character? Where?

BMO field, I never thought I would even see a footy stadium in this city, and our own club, so I'm pleased and not complaining. However thats all the good I can say about BMO Field.

[prizby]

Once MLSE gets to desperation mode with lowered attendance, I think you will see that roof be built quicker than you think. Seriously, it can't cost that much to add it... just hire some of those eastern european aluminum siding guys they will bang it out in a week. :)

ROI..you'd have to prove to them through an EIA that they need to have one

[Alixir]

ROI..you'd have to prove to them through an EIA that they need to have one
again with the ROI...the glory days of filling the stadium based on the fact that we are a new team are done. Poor product and piss poor weather conditions keep people from the stadium. Game day ticket sales on shitty weather days are almost non-existant. Casual fans...yes there are fans that are not the hardcore sit in a monsoon type of fans, do not want to go and sit in the wind and cold rain. Someone looks at the weather forecast and the saturday outlook is shit...they are not going to buy tickets to come get cold and soaked or bring their kids to get wet, cold, and sick. The bloody lost ticket sales from those inclimate days could pay for the roof in a season. There is your ROI. What do you think MLSE's forecasted ROI was before we played our first game? Mlse didn't think we would come close to the ticket sales we had in our first few seasons.
The ROI point is moot. If any stadium in MLS needs a roof its BMO.

[prizby]

again with the ROI...the glory days of filling the stadium based on the fact that we are a new team are done. Poor product and piss poor weather conditions keep people from the stadium. Game day ticket sales on shitty weather days are almost non-existant. Casual fans...yes there are fans that are not the hardcore sit in a monsoon type of fans, do not want to go and sit in the wind and cold rain. Someone looks at the weather forecast and the saturday outlook is shit...they are not going to buy tickets to come get cold and soaked or bring their kids to get wet, cold, and sick. The bloody lost ticket sales from those inclimate days could pay for the roof in a season. There is your ROI. What do you think MLSE's forecasted ROI was before we played our first game? Mlse didn't think we would come close to the ticket sales we had in our first few seasons.
The ROI point is moot. If any stadium in MLS needs a roof its BMO.


outdoor stadium...rain doesn't fall straight to the ground, and you have mentioned wind, so there is no guarantee people will be dry...also there is no dry way at getting to BMO like there is with the ACC, do you really think a roof will have a much stronger return than what it costs to build a proper one

do Jays tickets increase on rainy days?

[Shakes McQueen]

I could see a roof in BMO's near future. It will a) pacify some fan outrage to see MLSE spend money on the team, and b) potentially encourage more walk-up sales if casual fans are able to escape the weather.

Also, while KC's stadium does look really nice, and is certainly more full-featured than BMO - I love our stadium. And more importantly, I love the location it is in.

And yes, I say that knowing full well that MLSE could have invested more money into building a more robust stadium. I love the fact that BMO is located right in metropolitan Toronto. I love the fact that I can take a streetcar right to the stadium. And I love the brutal noise the stadium makes when people are stomping their feet, haha.

I hope they add a roof sooner than later, but I'm not really filled with envy when I see some of these other stadiums. We've got a place to play, in a great location (how many other MLS grounds can say that?), with a real pitch.

- Scott

[Whoop]

I like the downtown location of BMO.

[billyfly]

Problem is MLSE don't own the land although I have never heard that the City would say no if MLSE wanted to expand/fix up the stadium (at their cost of course).

[Nicholas982]

Go fuck yourself rocker and your stupid idiotic posts like this.
Sorry if you don't know the details of how MLSE truly operates and plans.

rofl

:picard:

[jaahuuu]

We know BMO is a tin can but it has got character and I love it. I would love it if pieces would stop falling off at the top of 110, but as long as I don't fall through the hole and hit the sidewalk like a garbage bag filled with vegetable soup, I'll live.

fixed.

[menefreghista]

Problem is MLSE don't own the land although I have never heard that the City would say no if MLSE wanted to expand/fix up the stadium (at their cost of course).

I don't think that is too big a problem.

They have already expanded the stadium and installed grass while not owning the stadium.

[boban]

i think we all are. i agree whole-heartedly that MLSE never thought the sport would catch on like it did. it's been evident since their increased allotment of seasons seats released to the public (i think they increased SSH tickets at 3 separate points) and the overall cost of the facility. when i say "the cost of the facility" i mean it in every sense of the word, but don't take my word for the shortsighted investment in the stadium.. let's see how we stack up against our peers:

all prices adjusted for inflation as of 2010
all prices adjusted to Canadian dollars
all prices calculated based off of year ground broke
YRSTADIUM

06 BMO FIELD: 65.6 mil
11 JELD-WEN FIELD: 102 mil*11 LIVESTRONG PARK: 160 mil
10 PPL PARK: 120 mil
11 RB ARENA: 180-200 mil
06 TOYOTA PARK: 100.5 mil
07 DICKS SG PARK: 137.6 mil
03 HOME DEPOT CENTER: 177.3 mil
04 PIZZA HUT PARK: 91.5 mil
06 RIO TINTO: 124.1 mil
12 DYNAMO STADIUM: 110 mil

*including original building cost and renovations

RSL and chicago fire both broke ground on a new stadium the same year we did. yet ours came in at a lower cost and, wait for it, with the same amount of seats. kick in the fuckin pants eh? there's only ONE club that has a SSS in the same league as us, that costs less and has a similar amount of seating. i hate to say that this is one of the things we trump them at, but read it and weep..

99 CREW STADIUM: 36.9 mil

:facepalm: FML

I don;t buy your premise that MLSE didn't know. They like to pocket money and not spend it waay more. There is a world of difference between Sporting's stadium and ours. I don't believe MLSE had to spend at Sporting or RB Arena level, but somewhere close to Dallas and Chicago would have been awesome - and those cities were getting the mid teens crowd when they were doing construction.

[boban]

Character? Where?

BMO field, I never thought I would even see a footy stadium in this city, and our own club..... thats all the good I can say about BMO Field.
My thoughts exactly.

[boban]

The ROI point is moot. If any stadium in MLS needs a roof its BMO.Exactly. What's the ROI for the other teams that have stadiums?! They seem to cover the cost and survive - even prosper.

[ensco]

The question isn't whether MLSE "knew" that BMO/TFC would succeed. The right question is: what should they do now?

I personally think a roof is much less likely than expansion.

[menefreghista]

A roof would actually make it harder to add temporary seating for an outdoor NHL game.

[Beach_Red]

The current ownership will always be middle-of-the-pack, investing as much in the team as is the league average. They're not leaders but they're also too rich to be last.

It's going to be very interesting to see what kind of changes happen when the teams are sold.

[ensco]

It's going to be very interesting to see what kind of changes happen when the teams are sold.

Don't hold your breath. I don't think it's happening.

[Beach_Red]

Don't hold your breath. I don't think it's happening.


It sure doesn't look like it, no rumours, no one seems to be kicking the tires, nothing.

Will they lower the price? What effect will it have if there's no sale? Peddie is still leaving but will the place get revitalized or fall into a deeper funk?

[menefreghista]

It sure doesn't look like it, no rumours, no one seems to be kicking the tires, nothing.

Will they lower the price? What effect will it have if there's no sale? Peddie is still leaving but will the place get revitalized or fall into a deeper funk?

I still think it eventually gets sold. I'm of the belief that OTPP knows that revenues have been stagnant and the value can only go down from here.

They might have to lower their asking price to get it down. But the longer they wait the more I think the value of MLSE goes down.

[jimiv]

outdoor stadium...rain doesn't fall straight to the ground, and you have mentioned wind, so there is no guarantee people will be dry...also there is no dry way at getting to BMO like there is with the ACC, do you really think a roof will have a much stronger return than what it costs to build a proper one

do Jays tickets increase on rainy days?


A roof could give them a place to hang new infrared heaters.

:hump:

[Hustle]

We need roof.

[billyfly]

A roof could give them a place to hang new infrared heaters.

:hump:

That only come on when outside is below 0 and only for a few minutes at a time. City of Toronto Arena rule

[Whoop]

Latest pictures.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/04/28/2833454/livestrong-sporting-park-preparing.html#slide-56

[drewski]

That only come on when outside is below 0 and only for a few minutes at a time. City of Toronto Arena rule

just curious, does it specify what counts as an arena, enclosed v open (stadium)? I can see it for enclosed arena's where exhausting carbon monoxide could be an issue.

[C.Ronaldo]

stadium hardon

[Brooker]

ahhh cookie cutter... don't like it... but it beats our tin can by a mile.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

A beaut....and 2000 seats will be reserved for there supporters club

[ryan]

Fuck MLSE. Just went through the pics posted on Facebook today...god damn we get shafted in EVERYTHING.

Players, Pricing, Management...and now stadium.

Where's my god damn roof already?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

boo hoo hoo our stadiums not as nice as theres. They are also trying to entice people to come to their games.

The land bmo is on is crown land, therefore when they were first making it it had to be put by the crown and okd, not to mention the fact that MLSE didnt know how many people were going to follow the club. Its not the greatest stadium but its ours. I sure as shit dont go to the games for the architecture. Im sure thingsll be added in the future, but im sure they want to get a team that draws in people and doesnt lose them first (which is whats currently happening).

[menefreghista]

BMO Field already needs to be renovated.

They can start with a storm drain in the tunnel leading to the 112/113 entrance.

[kodiakTFC]

I'm jealous but i'm mostly happy for the Kansas fans. We haven't been through a fraction of what their fan base has been through. If you've followed season ticket holder numbers this rebrand and new stadium has been a massive success, earlier this month they broke 10500. I'd imagine they hit 11000 by their first home date and this number was the capacity of their last stadium and even more impressive when you consider they only has 3000 STH last season!

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/04/2850641/despite-slow-start-sporting-believes.html

[ryan]

boo hoo hoo our stadiums not as nice as theres. They are also trying to entice people to come to their games.

The land bmo is on is crown land, therefore when they were first making it it had to be put by the crown and okd, not to mention the fact that MLSE didnt know how many people were going to follow the club. Its not the greatest stadium but its ours. I sure as shit dont go to the games for the architecture. Im sure thingsll be added in the future, but im sure they want to get a team that draws in people and doesnt lose them first (which is whats currently happening).

Well I'm just saying it would go along way if they could give us some cover to block from being pissed on by both the clouds and upper management.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Well I'm just saying it would go along way if they could give us some cover to block from being pissed on by both the clouds and upper management.

absolutely agreed

[kodiakTFC]

It's done. Final pics are up. Check out the TV screen.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150196807582042.327868.45625502041

[Toronto Ruffrider]

ahhh cookie cutter... don't like it... but it beats our tin can by a mile.

It doesn't look like any other MLS stadium to me. When I see this stadium, I see a small EPL facility.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

It doesn't look like any other MLS stadium to me. When I see this stadium, I see a small EPL facility.

Love it... no gaps in the corners....roof..ect.ect...its a solid ground!....


We all know BMO was built on the cheap....just in case MLS was a FLOP in TO!!...and they could take it down as quick as they put it up!!..Now that they no thats not the case.....Maybe we will see a face lift in the next few years..:drinking:


First thing i would do is start by filling in the gaps..in the corners

[69Chevy396]

It will not be viewed here as a popular decision, but once the ownership question is resolved, MLSE will move the club to the Rogers Centre before spending money for a canopy at BMO. The Rogers centre is virtualy next door to the MLSE billion dollar real estate development and ACC, and would probably be sold to MLSE for a bargain basement price (it is losing money hand over fist right now).

[Ossington Mental Youth]

youre right, thats not popular and not terribly realistic

[69Chevy396]

youre right, thats not popular and not terribly realistic
It is more realistic than you may think. A multi million dollar facility on the doorstep of MLSE's real estate empire, they would love to get a hold of at the right price, and TFC's move to the dome would be a certainty. Most of us would not approve, but we don't approve of over priced beer, cold water taps in the food building that are mysteriously shut down during games at BMO, increased season ticket prices each year. Selling piece of maple leaf gardens ice. Yep, this company is not profit oriented at all.

[Beach_Red]

It will not be viewed here as a popular decision, but once the ownership question is resolved, MLSE will move the club to the Rogers Centre before spending money for a canopy at BMO. The Rogers centre is virtualy next door to the MLSE billion dollar real estate development and ACC, and would probably be sold to MLSE for a bargain basement price (it is losing money hand over fist right now).

If Rogers are the buyer of MLSE anything is possible. Rogers and Bell have been the only potential buyers mentioned so far.

[habstfc]

boo hoo hoo our stadiums not as nice as theres. They are also trying to entice people to come to their games.

The land bmo is on is crown land, therefore when they were first making it it had to be put by the crown and okd, not to mention the fact that MLSE didnt know how many people were going to follow the club. Its not the greatest stadium but its ours. I sure as shit dont go to the games for the architecture.

I agree whole heartedly. BMO is a place to go sit for 2 hours or so to watch a game. Who cares how physically appealing it is. I don't go there to look at the stadium.

[drexel10]

It doesn't look like any other MLS stadium to me. When I see this stadium, I see a small EPL facility.


Exactly what I was thinking!

[Joe Kool]

I wonder if they built enough washrooms or do they have a Food Building close by too? Nice stadium. Makes me want to do a road trip to see it first hand. Glad to see more teams getting to look like pro teams in MLS with these stadiums. The main thing that kept me from watching MLS before TFC was all of the weird venues and football lines. I couldn't stand it. Nice to see this evolution take place.

[boban]

Love it... no gaps in the corners....roof..ect.ect...its a solid ground!....


We all know BMO was built on the cheap....just in case MLS was a FLOP in TO!!...and they could take it down as quick as they put it up!!..Now that they no thats not the case.....Maybe we will see a face lift in the next few years..:drinking:


First thing i would do is start by filling in the gaps..in the corners
Such an unfound comment.

[Canary Canuck]

Three things that I love about this stadium.

1) Isolated supporters section at the one end. Supporters get their own place to be supporters with absolutely no grey area.

2) Concert stage is incorporated into the end stand so you don't even know that it's there. I understand the importance of the revenue stream but it's nice to see the optics of it taken into consideration as opposed to Toyota Park etc.

3) Full roof (obviously)

[Maltese Falcon]

It doesn't look like any other MLS stadium to me. When I see this stadium, I see a small EPL facility.
Yeah I agree looks EPL, its really nice, but is it real grass?

[Whoop]

Kamara still has a douche hair cut.

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But with this stadium and the one in NJ, the one in Salt Lake... football has come a long way in the US. They're getting some proper football facilities.

Question is will KC get better attendance than NYRB?

[rocker]

it looks a lot bigger than it actually is! It only seats slightly less than 19000. cameras are deceptive in that regard I think!

i refuse to compare to BMO, cuz we're in a different era. And they've learned from all the stadiums that have arrived since. and they had to play in a massive NFL stadium for years..... then they had to play in a little baseball stadium... I doubt many TFC supporters would have appreciated those circumstances for 16 seasons.

Good for MLS. Houston's stadium is on the way. Now we need DC United to figure out their stadium situation, Chivas to find their own home in SoCal, and NE to get into an SSS in Boston. Then move the Columbus Crew somewhere where people care, and everything's looking good. ;)

[Canary Canuck]

Yeah I agree looks EPL, its really nice, but is it real grass?

Yes!:)

[Canary Canuck]

Kamara still has a douche hair cut.

Wow you weren't kidding. Douche is not a strong enough word to describe it.

[drexel10]

it looks a lot bigger than it actually is! It only seats slightly less than 19000. cameras are deceptive in that regard I think!

i refuse to compare to BMO, cuz we're in a different era. And they've learned from all the stadiums that have arrived since. and they had to play in a massive NFL stadium for years..... then they had to play in a little baseball stadium... I doubt many TFC supporters would have appreciated those circumstances for 16 seasons.

Good for MLS. Houston's stadium is on the way. Now we need DC United to figure out their stadium situation, Chivas to find their own home in SoCal, and NE to get into an SSS in Boston. Then move the Columbus Crew somewhere where people care, and everything's looking good. ;)

You forgot San Jose. They too are supposed get a stadium and move out of the little park. :)

[ryan]

It will not be viewed here as a popular decision, but once the ownership question is resolved, MLSE will move the club to the Rogers Centre before spending money for a canopy at BMO. The Rogers centre is virtualy next door to the MLSE billion dollar real estate development and ACC, and would probably be sold to MLSE for a bargain basement price (it is losing money hand over fist right now).

I think the Blue Jays are about to start a run of highly competitive playoff caliber teams for a long while. That place should see fuller crowds due to that and the fact that it's the cheapest sporting event in town helps too.

The Rogers aren't selling the Blue Jays so I don't believe they are going to sell the stadium they play in, especially when they got it for so cheap themselves. Any losses they've sustained since owning it could easily be overcome because they can absorb it for as long as they want to, they've said so themselves.

The first winning team in Toronto is going to have a packed house, this city is starving for a competitor, and I think the most likely team to do it first is the Blue Jays because they clearly want to win more than anything.

[boban]

i refuse to compare to BMO, cuz we're in a different era. And they've learned from all the stadiums that have arrived since. and they had to play in a massive NFL stadium for years..... then they had to play in a little baseball stadium... I doubt many TFC supporters would have appreciated those circumstances for 16 seasons.
A little delusional thinking I believe. Our stadium didn't have Home Depot Centre, Toyota Park, Dicks, or even Rio Tinto (plans were there but too much beauraccy delayed it) to learn from?!!! You make it sound like our stadium was the first of its kind when we were like the 6th or 7th to build (and ugliest from design perspective).

[greatwhitenorf]

An absolute peach of a park. Wonderful development for the game in the States. But then again, that's what Americans do - maximize their results from the resources they commit to sports that are outside the mainstream interests.

Having been able to overhear some discussions about BMO Field's development, yes, it's the way it is out of a sense of caution about what fan reaction would be to the game.

Now we're playing a game of developmental chicken - where one party who owns the ground is sitting tight hoping the party who owns the club will become over-anxious to expand capacity and pick up the construction costs. And the party that owns the club is looking to completely own the ground wherever that next stage takes us.

[Blixa]

BMO is fucking joke. They build better high school stadium in the US.

[menefreghista]

I think the Blue Jays are about to start a run of highly competitive playoff caliber teams for a long while. That place should see fuller crowds due to that and the fact that it's the cheapest sporting event in town helps too.

The Rogers aren't selling the Blue Jays so I don't believe they are going to sell the stadium they play in, especially when they got it for so cheap themselves. Any losses they've sustained since owning it could easily be overcome because they can absorb it for as long as they want to, they've said so themselves.

The first winning team in Toronto is going to have a packed house, this city is starving for a competitor, and I think the most likely team to do it first is the Blue Jays because they clearly want to win more than anything.

To add to this point, I went to the Jays game on Friday and the one thing you notice is how much younger the crowd is now, compared to say 10 years ago. A lot more fans in their 20's and 30's as opposed to in the past. A lot less old people.

[Shakes McQueen]

To add to this point, I went to the Jays game on Friday and the one thing you notice is how much younger the crowd is now, compared to say 10 years ago. A lot more fans in their 20's and 30's as opposed to in the past. A lot less old people.

And that's a really good omen for the future of the Jays. Get them interested and turn them into lifelong fans when they are young.

The Jays have been a really fun story the past couple of seasons, and they appear to be set up well for years of success. The Halladay trade, combined with some other shrewd deals by AA, took the Jays from having a farm system ranked in the low 20's by scouts, to a farm system ranked 4th, in only a couple of years.

Combine that with having the best hitter currently in baseball signed to a relatively cheap multi-year contract, and you've got a good recipe.

- Scott

[troy1982]

The latest pics
http://i.imgur.com/GZBiJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6pG0c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yvfbA.jpg
http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/usa/sporting_park

[QSIM]

Damn.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=112&id=15140

[Auzzy]

I wonder if they know how to pour concrete in KC so that water actually drains, you know, towards the drain?

[troy1982]

http://assets.bizjournals.com/kansascity/print-edition/SportingKansasCity025.jpg?v=1

[troy1982]

http://sportingtimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/pan4.jpg
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http://sportingtimes.net/articles/livestrong-sporting-park-home-of-sporting-kansas-city/

[rocker]

great little stadium. they really learned from the previous MLS experience!

since it's less than 19000 seats, where do you think they'd expand in that stadium if need be? I'm thinking that high-roofed gap to the right of the big scoreboard might be a location for a second deck.

also the end section with the benches behind the the goal looks expandable -- there's a big gap between the roof and the concourse.

[kodiakTFC]

I don't think expansion is on their mind, they are going from a 11000 seater to a 18000 seater. That's a pretty big damn expansion if you ask me and its a massive undertaking. But, with that in mind i'm thinking that the terrace could get removed a larger section put in place there. Perhaps they could fill the corners too.

[Canary Canuck]

Just saw a video tour of the guts of the stadium on mlssoccer.com and my god it is nice. Locker room is insane. The players walk through the club restaurant out on to the pitch.

[CSO_BBTB]

The players walk through the club restaurant out on to the pitch.

That's a recipe for disaster if they are not very careful who gets to be in the restaurant during games. Having got the bad pun out of my system it will be interesting to see how that works in practice. Beyond that the gaps between the seating and the roof suggest they have deliberately left space for an extra tier to be added later, relatively inexpensively.

[profit89]

Gorgeous stadium. Perfect for MLS.

[SoccMan]

Well if you want to have a look at the new K.C. stadium TSN 2 is showing the K.C. vs. Chicago game right now, the first game at K.C. 's new stadium, well it's a packed house, great atmosphere and very nice stadium.

[boban]

The stadium is amazing. The spectators a soo close to the field of play ... much more than any other that I recall. This is how you build a stadium.

[Petor]

Great stadium and atmosphere but the football is ummm, not so good.
For about a 20 minute span neither team could connect more than 2 passes before turning it over in the first half.

[james]

is that like a standing terrace behind 1 of the goals???? if that is then wow that stadium is perfect!!

[kodiakTFC]

is that like a standing terrace behind 1 of the goals???? if that is then wow that stadium is perfect!!

It is. Jealous.

I can't believe how close the fans are to the pitch, amazing stadium. I guess thats the different between 200 million and 60 million.

[Yohan]

is that like a standing terrace behind 1 of the goals???? if that is then wow that stadium is perfect!!
yes. small terrace..

[Canary Canuck]

It's not a terrace in the purest sense. It's actually bleachers but it's the designated supporters section so standing is permitted.

[Canary Canuck]

Ughh.... awful match. For the sake of the league I hope their fans weren't too turned off by that. Kansas City and sell-out were used in the same sentence for the first time. Hopefully it's not the last.

[Yagbod]

Did anyone else notice the RPB scarf hanging on the scarf display during the opening bit?

There were a ton of scarves and ours was on the top right. Looked a season 1 or 2 scarf.

I didn't see any other supporters group's scarves. Only other team's and a South Park scarf.

Kinda cool, I think. An homage.

Edit: I can post a picture of the screen if someone can send me directions on how to post it.

[kodiakTFC]

Did anyone else notice the RPB scarf hanging on the scarf display during the opening bit?

There were a ton of scarves and ours was on the top right. Looked a season 1 or 2 scarf.

I didn't see any other supporters group's scarves. Only other team's and a South Park scarf.

Kinda cool, I think. An homage.

Edit: I can post a picture of the screen if someone can send me directions on how to post it.

Assuming its saved to your computer go to imageshack.com and upload it. Take the link they give you, go to it, right click the image, open link in new window, save the address in the bar, go to this thread, start a new reply, use that picture icon below undo, paste the link, post and walaa!

[DavydMT]

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[Parkdale]

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Guy-dressed-as-a-cow-scores-first-goal-at-LiveSt?urn=sow-wp2413

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[prizby]

roof really projected the sound...i feel if we get enough road warriors to KC, we could be a scary away crowd :)

[__wowza]

this is a damn fine stadium.
im jealous, and rightfully so.

[Cashcleaner]

this is a damn fine stadium.
im jealous, and rightfully so.

I agree. And even though it's outside the Kansas City (MO) city limits, it's still in a great spot next to the Legends Centre and Kansas Speedway.