Amado Guevara

[ensco]

Since last night was probably it for us and Amado.....(I looked for an Amado thread and didn't find one, please merge into it if I missed it)......

What a stud player, and what a classy guy.

Two beautiful goals, an absolute warrior during the match, a total class act once it was over, even though he had lost.

Who among us doesn't wish we still had him at CM? (I know I know, Preki would never have kept Amado, blah blah, discussing that is not the point).

Vaja con dios, Amado.

[Brooker]

I wish we still had him because I think we'd be better... but I do remember he liked to go MIA for stretches and could be quite frustrating....

[Northern Soul]

Most talented guy on TFC, but didn't give it his all every game. Went missing for long stretches, played hard when he felt like it.

[Serb_Star]

Most talented guy on TFC, but didn't give it his all every game. Went missing for long stretches, played hard when he felt like it.
He still contributed more to TFC than DeGuz ever will.

I miss the guy.

[ensco]

His second goal was a thing of beauty. I hope to see JDG score a goal of that quality someday.

Something is wrong with JDG. He has it in him.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5n3kx_julian-de-guzman-goal-against-brazi_sport

[tlear]

Guevara was a great player for us, always liked him a lot. Him JDG are just totally different kind of players, Amado is great going forward and a great free kick specialist. JDG is excellent defensive midfielder and holds possession much better

[Derko]

His second goal was a thing of beauty. I hope to see JDG score a goal of that quality someday.

I hope to see JDG score any goal for TFC!!!

[Razcle]

I hope to see JDG score any goal for TFC!!!


My thoughts exactly. I dont know why any time he has a chance it goes over the bar or he hits it poorly.

Anyways back to Sheriff Lobo. What a stud in the past game, although he was missing for a good portion of the play, however when he was involved I was nervous as shit.

[Pachuco]

I got the best of both worlds yesterday. Got to see Guevara shove it up Preki's ass but not at the expense of TFC getting kicked out of the Champions League.

It is no secret that I miss Guevara and if we had him in the middle of the park instead of JDG well

1. MLSE would be alot richer
2. TFC would be winning more games

I don't want to argue about it, that's just my opinion. Guevara is a class act!

[ArmenJBX]

I don't know why people expect him to score. He's a midfielder, and a defensive midfielder at that. Yes, he is attacking way more now, but we shouldn't expect him to score goals. That wasn't his job.

[backbeat]

I don't know why people expect him to score. He's a midfielder, and a defensive midfielder at that. Yes, he is attacking way more now, but we shouldn't expect him to score goals. That wasn't his job.

spot on!!

the comparison are ridiculous - I love Amado as well but JDG is a DM and he is great at it, one of the best in the league. lately he has played a more attacking role and done it really well, with lot's of quality, even though that is not his position. he is NOT a goal scorer-period-stop expecting it from him and look at him for the position and skill that he brings which is brilliant!!

[Darlofletch]

amado had a great fucking game yesterday. what did he do in the first leg? I think it took me at least 20 minutes of the second half to notice he wasn't on the pitch any more.

and that right there is a perfect microcosm of his time with us. awesome, then anonymous, so count me among the people who aren't too disappointed he left.

[Pachuco]

spot on!!

the comparison are ridiculous - I love Amado as well but JDG is a DM and he is great at it, one of the best in the league. lately he has played a more attacking role and done it really well, with lot's of quality, even though that is not his position. he is NOT a goal scorer-period-stop expecting it from him and look at him for the position and skill that he brings which is brilliant!!

One of the best DM's in the league yet he's a DP and can't even make the All Star Team :facepalm:. Name me one credible person who wrote an article questioning why JDG wasn't on the All Star Team.

I'd also like you to name me 10 DMs in this league. Since your statement that he's one of the best surely means you have something to compare him to right?

Out of the 3 DMs I know in this league, Shalrie Joseph, Alonzo and him, there is no doubt in my mind he has the littlest impact on his team. Out of all the CMs I know in this league, he's somewhere in the middle pack for me.

Anyways all this crap talk about DM is moot, because if the fact Deguzman is 1 shot behind Labrocca for 3rd on the team doesn't convince you he's not a DM in the MLS then I don't know what will.

[Juanito]

Guevara was one of my favourite players and it was a poor decision to let him go. He still had two more years left in him.

[Blizzard]

spot on!!

the comparison are ridiculous - I love Amado as well but JDG is a DM and he is great at it, one of the best in the league. lately he has played a more attacking role and done it really well, with lot's of quality, even though that is not his position. he is NOT a goal scorer-period-stop expecting it from him and look at him for the position and skill that he brings which is brilliant!!

Absolutely right!

[KezmanCCCC]

amado is one of my favourite TFC players in our short history.... i have to say i was quite sad/mad when i heard he left... i wish we still had him.... it would be great with him and JDG in the center of the mid....

[Blizzard]

amado is one of my favourite TFC players in our short history.... i have to say i was quite sad/mad when i heard he left... i wish we still had him.... it would be great with him and JDG in the center of the mid....

I agree with that too! Obviously he would have missed much of the season but I'd have welcomed him back. Of course Preki wouldn't have have done so.

[Pachuco]

Here is another stat. Carl Robinson took 9 shots last year in 1757 mins (what I call the only DM to have played for TFC).

Deguzman has 13 shots in 1024 mins.

You tell me who the DM is? It's a myth. He's a CM expected to provide offense as much as he is expected to defend. There is no way he has that many opportunities on a team that barely attacks if I'm wrong.

I refuse to compare Deguzman to a DM, because of I did, well Robinson was a heck of a lot better at actually defending then Deguzman would ever be.

[v00d00daddy]

I loved Guevara with TFC. For those of you that complain that he "disappeared" or didn't give his all every game....here's my take on that.

Players like him are rarely workhorses.....almost never actually. Typically the workhorse player is a guy who HAS to work overtime to be effective. Skill players are skill players because they have two (or multiple) different speeds and
motivation levels. Thats why they stand out.

Frankly, workhorse type players are a dime a dozen and I'm glad that Guevara is not like that. He's special because he stands out with his skill...not because he runs all game.

I hope that makes sense. Lol

[v00d00daddy]

Here is another stat. Carl Robinson took 9 shots last year in 1757 mins (what I call the only DM to have played for TFC).

Deguzman has 13 shots in 1024 mins.

You tell me who the DM is? It's a myth. He's a CM expected to provide offense as much as he is expected to defend. There is no way he has that many opportunities on a team that barely attacks if I'm wrong.

I refuse to compare Deguzman to a DM, because of I did, well Robinson was a heck of a lot better at actually defending then Deguzman would ever be.

We get it...you don't like JDG. What does it have to do with Guevara.

Jdg was an effective player in one of the best leagues in the world. If you think he is no good then that's fine....you're in the minority but please dnt bring up Robinson. Comparing the two is a joke.

[RedsYNWA]

Guevara was just like Dero a tad selfish, sometimes not into it, but a class act.. very talented MVP

[Blizzard]

I loved Guevara with TFC. For those of you that complain that he "disappeared" or didn't give his all every game....here's my take on that.

Players like him are rarely workhorses.....almost never actually. Typically the workhorse player is a guy who HAS to work overtime to be effective. Skill players are skill players because they have two (or multiple) different speeds and
motivation levels. Thats why they stand out.

Frankly, workhorse type players are a dime a dozen and I'm glad that Guevara is not like that. He's special because he stands out with his skill...not because he runs all game.

I hope that makes sense. Lol

Chinaglia at the Cosmos. He'd work hard for three minutes and score three goals.

[Pachuco]

We get it...you don't like JDG. What does it have to do with Guevara.

Jdg was an effective player in one of the best leagues in the world. If you think he is no good then that's fine....you're in the minority but please dnt bring up Robinson. Comparing the two is a joke.

Pretty sure I'm not in the minority of people who were expecting alot more from JDG. But unless TFC puts up a poll we'll never know.

As for the rest of your reply? I show stats trying to prove that JDG is not a DM on this team and therefore should be judged as a CM. The only thing you can say back is "Well JDG was effective in La Liga". Now I ask you, what does that have to do with TFC?

[v00d00daddy]

Pretty sure I'm not in the minority of people who were expecting alot more from JDG. But unless TFC puts up a poll we'll never know.

As for the rest of your reply? I show stats trying to prove that JDG is not a DM on this team and therefore should be judged as a CM. The only thing you can say back is "Well JDG was effective in La Liga". Now I ask you, what does that have to do with TFC?

Classify him however you like. He's a good player. He's effective in MLS too....maybe not good value for the money and obviously not to your standards...but he IS effective. He is one of our best players. He will score. And if TFC are succesful this year he will be part of the reason why. Conversely, if they shit the bed he'll be to blame as well.

The la liga comment is relevant because if he was good enough for la liga he's good enough for TFC.

Is that really a stretch of a statement?

Again...I'm sorry this has nothing to do with Guevara but you bring up de guz in every thread.

Guevara is good :)

[superstar1976]

JDG is a ball winner, and good passer of the ball....the latter of which I've been disappointed at the inconsistency.

Otherwise, I think JDG is doing exactly what he specializes at, and he is proving to be an important part of TFC.....DP worth? Jury is still out, but I don't blame JDG for that.

[Pachuco]

Classify him however you like. He's a good player. He's effective in MLS too....maybe not good value for the money and obviously not to your standards...but he IS effective. He is one of our best players. He will score. And if TFC are succesful this year he will be part of the reason why. Conversely, if they shit the bed he'll be to blame as well.

The la liga comment is relevant because if he was good enough for la liga he's good enough for TFC.

Is that really a stretch of a statement?

Again...I'm sorry this has nothing to do with Guevara but you bring up de guz in every thread.

Guevara is good :)

Go back through the thread and you'll see I didn't bring him up. I just kept it going ;)

To judge someone in the MLS becaues of what they accomplished 3 years ago in another league, well, that's not me. So yes, it's a stretch. It's like me telling you Denilson was great in the MLS, since he was once the most expensive player in the world and played on a world cup Brazilian team. We all know, Denilson is probably the worst DP to ever play in the MLS.

As for DeGuzman being effective, well, that's just a matter of opinion and that isn't what I was arguing with the stats. I'm simply trying to show that the argument of JDG being a DM therefore not responsible for anything offensively is a myth.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

without reading any one elses post.
I loved him while he was here but dont wish he was here now, hes only getting older and did disappear from game to game, thats not to mention that he would have been gone for a month. Via con dios el lobo

[drexel10]

Guevara was the most talented player to have ever played with our team. Yes he disappeared but the description that v00d00daddy made of great players being able to do things and have different gears is exactly why people said he disappeared (others couldn't dream of doing whathe was capable of). If he played on Seattle last year, he could have been the spark that could've won them the championship, we unfortunately didn't compliment his level most of his time here. He easily was my favourite TFC player!!!

[ochos]

I miss Guevara :(

We've not seen the best of JDG yet.. but he really needs to figure out how to turn it on in this league. He's letting players play to his weaknesses. He'll need to develop into a new player whether he likes it or not

[DoubleUp]

I'll chime in on this discussion...Guevara would be greaat on this team, but sadly we will never see it. That is life!. But on the Deguzman matter, I know he's a hometown Kid so he probably has lots of friends and maybe family on the forums. But the bottom line is for the money we are paying him he is not nearly as effective, and that is simply not good enough. I want this Julian thing to work out so if somebody close to him can get in his ear and lay it out there for him that would be great because I dont want to see this situation turn ugly. He's giving possesion away far to easy for his caliber of player and no amount of ass kissing or yesmanning can cover that up so lets get this situation rectified as soon as possible. Cheers!!!:scarf:

[sampace]

Perhaps it is Guevara whom Johnston is rumored to be signing to help us on the wing?

[canadian_bhoy]

Locker room cancer
Bad seed
Non team player
ETC.

For all the crap people said about Amado when he came to TFC, what did we get?

Balls out every game
Engine of our team
Still missed to this day.

He was great and we could use his quality badly. Top notch player and someone who should always get a cheer when he comes to BMO.

[Roogsy]

It's one of the reasons I am a little sore at Preki...otherwise I think we could have had Amado here for at least another year.

Count me in the camp of those that miss El Lobo. Besides...I never got a chance to meet his hot wife.

[DOMIN8R]

Count me in the camp of those that miss El Lobo. Besides...I never got a chance to meet his hot wife.

Not that hot. Best hogtown lunch bag let down was watching Amado push a shopping cart in downtown Toronto grocery store as she nagged him in spanish and he had to keep his newly born baby from crying in public.

Not your ESPN photo op of an international footballing star. He looked suicidal and she looked like as sour as a fermented cow pie.

Just sayin'

[Whoop]

LOL... that's too funny.

[algieb]

as i have said before,degusman looks poor in this league,to small, not enough going forward never hits 20 or 30 yd passes everything he does is bloody triangles gets someone else in trouble or losses the ball,and before anybody says he is not a attacking midfielder mls is not la liga english prem, he should be giving us more as an attacking mid regardless, ffs sake alot off these players are just out off uni

[FluSH]

Locker room cancer
Bad seed
Non team player
ETC.

For all the crap people said about Amado when he came to TFC, what did we get?

Balls out every game
Engine of our team
Still missed to this day.

He was great and we could use his quality badly. Top notch player and someone who should always get a cheer when he comes to BMO.

Fcuking AMEN!

Te deseo lo mejor Amado!

[Roogsy]

He looked suicidal and she looked like as sour as a fermented cow pie.

Just sayin'

LOL!

Well...there is a reason I didn't marry a Latina you know. :D

[bimmer]

Locker room cancer
Bad seed
Non team player
ETC.

For all the crap people said about Amado when he came to TFC, what did we get?

Balls out every game
Engine of our team
Still missed to this day.

He was great and we could use his quality badly. Top notch player and someone who should always get a cheer when he comes to BMO.

I like Amado too, but wasn't this one of the MAIN criticisms about him? That he would 'seemingly' take games off during the season?

[FluSH]

I like Amado too, but wasn't this one of the MAIN criticisms about him? That he would 'seemingly' take games off during the season?

Everyone has bad spells... as mentioned before... I don't think many people understood his style of play... and surely the team wasn't built around it or even to compliment it...

[JonO]

I miss Guevara.

Not sure why compare him with JDG though - it's not as if JDG came at the expense of Guevara.

[Yohan]

I'd also like you to name me 10 DMs in this league. Since your statement that he's one of the best surely means you have something to compare him to right?

Out of the 3 DMs I know in this league, Shalrie Joseph, Alonzo and him, there is no doubt in my mind he has the littlest impact on his team. Out of all the CMs I know in this league, he's somewhere in the middle pack for me.


Rafa Marquez (NYRB)
Logan Pause (CHI)
John Thorrington (CHI)
Marcelo Saragosa (CHV)
Brian Carroll (CLB)
Duncan Oughton (CLB)
Pablo Mastroeni (COL)
Daniel Hernandez (Dal)
Geoff Cameron (HOU)
Santiago Hirsig (KC)
Stephane Auvray (KC)
Dema Kovalenko (LAG)
Seth Stammler (NYRB)
Carl Robinson (NYRB)
Sinisa Upiparovic (NYRB)
Stefan MIglioranzi (PHI)
Brandon McDonald (SJ)

[Yohan]

I like Amado too, but wasn't this one of the MAIN criticisms about him? That he would 'seemingly' take games off during the season?
that, and he's what, 34? at 300k per year, he was bound to get replaced sooner or later.

[MUFC_Niagara]

It's 5:30am and I am Workie'ing the board!

[ensco]

The floater charge is ridiculous. The guy was captain of a World Cup team.

But there were many games where he was lost because Robinson couldn't distribute and we had no wingers. Also, he and DeRo had trouble getting in sync.

But he was never MIA, or a floater.

[Cashcleaner]

Guevara was one of my favourite players and it was a poor decision to let him go. He still had two more years left in him.

I'm pretty much of the same mind. I try not to dwell too much on past management decisions but I can't help but think what would have happened if Amado and Preki were able to bury the hatchet between them. I'd like to think we'd be an even stronger team, but I suppose we'll never know for sure. Shame, because Guevara was one of my all-time favourite TFC players, despite his relatively short tenure with the club.

[DangerRed]

What's really stood out the last few league games is how little JDG is compared to the guys he's marking. Yes, he's a talented ball-winner and when his passes come off, they can be great, but he gets bossed by the bigger dudes in the MLS.

He can't be physical, and you need to be physical to be consistently effective.

There was a great moment when Santos was attacking Motagua and he had one of their defenders pretty much hanging off of his shirt, but he was still charging forward. JDG, on the other hand, had the very same defender knock him flat on his ass. He drew a foul, yes, but you get the point..

Amado never had the problem because he could dive like a swan and he also had a bit more meat on him than JDG.

With JDG, I guess everyone's asking whether he's worth the DP money. Ask yourself this: is he consistently effective in a physically demanding league that can often crush technical skill with rash challenges and longball? The answer is "no"... and it's not entirely his fault.

[Juanito]

I'm pretty much of the same mind. I try not to dwell too much on past management decisions but I can't help but think what would have happened if Amado and Preki were able to bury the hatchet between them. I'd like to think we'd be an even stronger team, but I suppose we'll never know for sure. Shame, because Guevara was one of my all-time favourite TFC players, despite his relatively short tenure with the club.

It's an example of Preki putting his personal feeling ahead of the club. Guevara on TFC is a stronger TFC. They could have made it work. It seems he didn't want to.

The man helped Honduras qualify to the World Cup. A feat no other TFC player was able to do. I guess Preki doesn't like World Cup footballers!!

[Oldtimer]

It's an example of Preki putting his personal feeling ahead of the club. Guevara on TFC is a stronger TFC. They could have made it work. It seems he didn't want to.



That's revisionist thinking. Preki didn't cut Guevara, Guevara left ahead of Prekis arrival. Guevara didn't want to try to work with Preki (maybe he saw it as hopeless from his experience at Chivas), not the other way around.

[ManUtd4ever]

Guevara's work ethic wouldn't have cut it under Preki. Nonetheless, he is one my favorite all time Reds and when motivated, he was arguably the most skilled player in TFC's brief history...

[Roogsy]

That's revisionist thinking. Preki didn't cut Guevara, Guevara left ahead of Prekis arrival. Guevara didn't want to try to work with Preki (maybe he saw it as hopeless from his experience at Chivas), not the other way around.

Actually what happened is that Guevara got wind of Preki's arrival and decided to go home rather than deal with Preki again.

[fetajr]

its the MLSE curse... Amado would be doing nothing for us if he were here, but since he's somewhere else, not to mention playing for his home team vs. his former team that chose not to sign him, he went out and played like hell.

plus attacking central midfielders are a dime a dozen in latin america, if MO had any brains, he would have plucked one out of Argentina or Brazil at less cost than Guevara, and he would NEVER get called for national team duty.

I don't miss him at all.

[maninb]

This is a silly thread...Look Guevera is a decent player but he wouldn't have been playing until after the WC...and he and Preki HATED each other so the point is moot....you might as well post we'd be better with Ronaldo or some other star....

[romburgundy]

Guevara was a great player for us, always liked him a lot. Him JDG are just totally different kind of players, Amado is great going forward and a great free kick specialist. JDG is excellent defensive midfielder and holds possession much better

Spot on and its really too bad that they both looked lost the few games they played together. Not to mention with Julian's 400 k on the cap Guavara's salary in mid had to be taken away. Having said that I really hope to see them both side by side effectively in mid someday.

[Juanito]

This is a silly thread...Look Guevera is a decent player but he wouldn't have been playing until after the WC...and he and Preki HATED each other so the point is moot....you might as well post we'd be better with Ronaldo or some other star....

THAT is a moot point. Ronaldo has never played for us, and probably never will. Amado was with us for two years. I think he could have helped us.

[ensco]

I think that if Amado spoke English, he'd be universally revered around here. Just my $0.02.

[wzhxvy]

Btw, as a total aside, does anyone have a picture of JDG with the towel around his head/hair after the game in Honduras...would make a great two stick...WE FOUND HIM...lol

[Carts]

If Preki wasn't our coach I think we would have lost Guevara for one-year on loan to Montagua, as I know he wanted to play at home, with other Honduran Team Members to prepare for the World Cup...

Then, he would have arrived back here during the summer transfer - and be back in the TFC lineup...

I loved Guevara... And I think he would fit very well into our squad...

Sad he's not here...

Carts...

[Whoop]

Would he have fit under the cap?

[Toronto_Bhoy]

Locker room cancer
Bad seed
Non team player
ETC.

For all the crap people said about Amado when he came to TFC, what did we get?

Balls out every game
Engine of our team
Still missed to this day.

He was great and we could use his quality badly. Top notch player and someone who should always get a cheer when he comes to BMO.


Well said C_B!

He was a bit of an enigma for me…not sure what was missing when he played here…with his raw skill he should have torn this league apart and carried this team to the playoffs. The turf? Not enough talent around him?

Regardless, he was delight to watch…even on Tuesday night.

[Alixir]

I hope to see JDG score any goal for TFC!!!
bugger that..I would just like to see him complete a pass or hold the ball without being forced off it by anyone and everyone.