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justin
07-31-2010, 09:31 PM
snoozefest, poor play, discuss

Detroit_TFC
07-31-2010, 09:32 PM
That's a loss that feels like a LOSS. We had more chances and couldn't find the net.

Azerban
07-31-2010, 09:32 PM
fucking pathetic

kill yourselves

cementhead
07-31-2010, 09:33 PM
Same old crap on the road!

Ossington Mental Youth
07-31-2010, 09:33 PM
disgusting lost to a team that wasnt actually bettern us, granted we didnt play that well.
espinoza makes me sick that cunt

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:33 PM
Dropped points in 11 of 17 games.
Not good enough.
Passing percentages in a minute.......

adam1001
07-31-2010, 09:33 PM
awful play by both teams. dont whats gotten into dero, but he hasnt been playing well at all as of late.

Stryker
07-31-2010, 09:34 PM
How many years are we on the hook for De Guzman?
When's Mo leaving?

daner90
07-31-2010, 09:34 PM
fucking useless

Suds
07-31-2010, 09:34 PM
pretty boring game, not much from either team

I should have gone drinking tonight instead

THA BUTCHA
07-31-2010, 09:34 PM
ACK

<\My Love of Soccer has decreased 15% After watch this sad excuse of a footy match.

This was BAD even by TFC standards

Batman
07-31-2010, 09:34 PM
pretty poor game in every respect.
I can't really think of any positives other than no one was seriously injured.

sampace
07-31-2010, 09:35 PM
Toronto lacks finishing touch, yes Spain won scoring just enough goals to win the World Cup, but that style of play is not always the most entertaining. We at least needed a result, Frei who plays well on most nights let an akward looking goal in that he normally would of stopped. This result is why I am concerned for Tuesday's game on the road, the Hondurus team looked out classed in Toronto, but which TFC team will show up?

Red Rat
07-31-2010, 09:35 PM
going back to gthe good old days, can't win away and just ties at home.

shit rr

Auzzy
07-31-2010, 09:36 PM
How many years are we on hook for De Guzman for?
When's Mo leaving?

After tonight, I would say, most likely end of this season...

T.O TILL I DIE
07-31-2010, 09:36 PM
How many years are we on hook for De Guzman for?
When's Mo leaving?+++100000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000
deguzman deserves the bench dp player my culooo

boysblue
07-31-2010, 09:36 PM
game was shite. tfc shite but kc at home absolute shite. referee not much better and fourth official only added 4 minutes despite two long injuries and multiple second half substitutions.

typical poor road performance yet did not desrve to lose. one blunder at the back and kc took advantage. way it works sometimes.

SirBobSaget
07-31-2010, 09:36 PM
Garcia may have been the best in red, seriously! Mista had a strong half.

Dero and Barrett were announced to have come on as subs but never really made an appearance. Gala runs around for his 1st 10 mins, does some positive things then a close up after strong run reveals hes gasping for air. Sure enough hes gassed out and doesnt offer much the rest of the game.

Weak 2nd half subs

adam1001
07-31-2010, 09:37 PM
After tonight, I would say, most likely end of this season...
deguzman should go with him.

Azerban
07-31-2010, 09:37 PM
i can't believe we still travel for this fucking team

every single time it's a let down

big ups to every single person who spent their time, money and energy on this fuckign shitshow

Hooligan69
07-31-2010, 09:38 PM
*sigh* Dammit TFC! :mad:

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:38 PM
I usually try to find the positive aspects regardless of what happens but yeah, there was nothing tonight. Only good pay was Mista's chance at the end of the first half. Otherwise, nothing.

Need to forget this as soon as possible.

Red Rat
07-31-2010, 09:38 PM
best point of the game, the beautiful control and one touch by Mista on the first half. I say keep Mista and sell DeGuzman

rr

sully
07-31-2010, 09:38 PM
I wouldn't be hard on Cann. He made one mistake. This game was always going to be more difficult than it should have been with the shite preparation for it. No gear for training for most of the day..DeRo basically knackered from the 'all-star' BS..combination of no luck, crap preparation but also players probably not trying hard enough.

TFC USA
07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
So I didn't watch the game, it appears we lost, so now I conclude that if we drop points against Chivas if not lose outright this season is over.

There is no way we can beat New York, FC Dallas (away), etc. with our quality.

jloome
07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
Bah. Dreadful crap. Lacking cohesion, tactically inept. Peterson and Labrocca sucked donkey meat. Nane should sit for a good long while.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
Passing success rate:

Gargan 10 out of 12
Cann 9/11
Attakora 8/16
Garcia 21/25
Peterson 5/8
Nane 14/18
De Guzman 29/40
Labrocca 20/27
Santos 9/11
Mista 6/7
De Rosario 6/8
Gala 4/8
Barrett 2/3

Auzzy
07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
Someone was asking again, how much are we paying JDG. It's about $1.7 million a year.

Can't believe I stayed up to watch this game, 2:30 am to 4:30 am CET.

Good night/good morning to all!

Azerban
07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
DeRo basically knackered from the 'all-star' BS..combination of no luck

that's his fucking problem

he can score against manu but can't turn up for us for two months?

priorities, bitch

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:40 PM
i can't believe we still travel for this fucking team

every single time it's a let down

big ups to every single person who spent their time, money and energy on this fuckign shitshow

No kidding.

If someone wants to play a trip, I would say make the TFC game ancillary to other activities -- don't make it the sole reason for your going.

Like, stay a week in NY or DC or something, do other stuff too . . .

Auzzy
07-31-2010, 09:41 PM
Passing success rate:

Gargan 10 out of 12
Cann 9/11
Attakora 8/16
Garcia 21/25
Peterson 5/8
Nane 14/18
De Guzman 29/40
Labrocca 20/27
Santos 9/11
Mista 6/7
De Rosario 6/8
Gala 4/8
Barrett 2/3

Where did you get those numbers from?

TFC USA
07-31-2010, 09:41 PM
BTW I hate to be bad news, but Seattle is up 1-0 against San Jose and nearly 2-0 with a near own goal. We shit on the Sounders all year long but if they win they overtake us in the playoff race.

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:41 PM
Passing success rate:

Gargan 10 out of 12
Cann 9/11
Attakora 8/16
Garcia 21/25
Peterson 5/8
Nane 14/18
De Guzman 29/40
Labrocca 20/27
Santos 9/11
Mista 6/7
De Rosario 6/8
Gala 4/8
Barrett 2/3

Most of those numbers are actually higher than I thought they would be.

But the problem is, even when the passes do connect, our guys at so bad at collecting the ball properly it hardly matters.

I mean seriously -- these are professionals -- how can their first-touches be so consistently bad?

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:42 PM
How many years are we on the hook for De Guzman?
When's Mo leaving?
2 more I believe

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:42 PM
Passing success rate:

Gargan 10 out of 12
Cann 9/11
Attakora 8/16
Garcia 21/25
Peterson 5/8
Nane 14/28
De Guzman 29/40
Labrocca 20/27
Santos 9/11
Mista 6/7
De Rosario 6/8
Gala 4/8
Barrett 2/3

Conclusion: Look how much our midfielders touched the ball and never gave decent balls to our forwards who are very careful with it.
These numbers don't lie....I sat down with a friend and he called them all.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:44 PM
Most of those numbers are actually higher than I thought they would be.

But the problem is, even when the passes do connect, our guys at so bad at collecting the ball properly it hardly matters.

I mean seriously -- these are professionals -- how can their first-touches be so consistently bad?

They're higher than I expected, but most of the passes were safe balls sideways or back.
Not one penetrating ball, and look how much of the ball the midfielders had !!!!!!!

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:45 PM
They're higher than I expected, but most of the passes were safe balls sideways or back.
Not one penetrating ball, and look how much of the ball the midfielders had !!!!!!!

That's true too -- many times when they did try a quick pass up, somebody just passed it back.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:46 PM
Where did you get those numbers from?

Correction....Nane should be 14/28 and most of his passes were sideways. He's shite.

Lennon
07-31-2010, 09:46 PM
Am I the only one that thinks De Guzman looked pretty good tonight (apart from that shot)? Some nifty passes in tight spaces and a great workrate ...

TFC USA
07-31-2010, 09:46 PM
How was the goal scored?

Did we create chances?

Why am I asking all these questions when I should've been home watching this game?

Why do we suck so much on the road?

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:47 PM
BTW I hate to be bad news, but Seattle is up 1-0 against San Jose and nearly 2-0 with a near own goal. We shit on the Sounders all year long but if they win they overtake us in the playoff race.

We're done. We still have more away games than home left.

Azerban
07-31-2010, 09:47 PM
i don't think a single game has ever got me so frustrated and mad

they were worthless

pack this team up, move it to st. louis, who gives a shit, play in front of soccer moms who chant ole ole ole ole for 90 minutes you sad cunts

cementhead
07-31-2010, 09:47 PM
This team could drive you to drink!

Lennon
07-31-2010, 09:47 PM
They're higher than I expected, but most of the passes were safe balls sideways or back.
Not one penetrating ball, and look how much of the ball the midfielders had !!!!!!!

De Guzman attempted quite a few ...

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:47 PM
How was the goal scored?

Did we create chances?

Why am I asking all these questions when I should've been home watching this game?

Why do we suck so much on the road?
Brain fart by Cann and poor positioning by Frei!

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:48 PM
Am I the only one that thinks De Guzman looked pretty good tonight (apart from that shot)? Some nifty passes in tight spaces and a great workrate ...

Yes, he had the ball lots, but at the stupid money he's earning don't you expect him to knock a killer ball in now and then ???

Stryker
07-31-2010, 09:49 PM
Somewhere in Canada someone watched their first TFC game today.
They won't watch another.

LesH
07-31-2010, 09:49 PM
DISGRACE!
In the last 2 road games we got beaten by the worst teams in MLS!

TFC's continuing it's traditional piss poor showings playing as visitors. Anyone is surprised about this? I think the majority is not.

Some of you say we did not deserved to get beaten.
I say we fully deserved it, and we'll deserve to get beaten by piss poor teams until we are continuing to be amazingly impotent in getting goals.

------------------

TFC is still thousands of km-s away from being a respectable team even by MLS standards.

Dirk Diggler
07-31-2010, 09:49 PM
Nah it was a good game tonight.

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:49 PM
De Guzman attempted quite a few ...

Yeah -- but then whomever the pass was too usually just passed it back, to 'organize' I suppose. But not enough impetus in the attack.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:50 PM
De Guzman attempted quite a few ...

Fair enough. Attempted, but they never came off because our forwards are not quick enough to lose their markers.
Watch Montagua on Tuesday...they have quick forwards and will tear our lot apart.
Mista is not the answer.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:51 PM
This team could drive you to drink!

Don't drive home after !!!!!!

spot-on
07-31-2010, 09:52 PM
Am I the only one that thinks De Guzman looked pretty good tonight (apart from that shot)? Some nifty passes in tight spaces and a great workrate ...

Yes, he looked good. The general reaction around here after a loss is to blame him though, because it's easy to do (since he makes so much money).

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:52 PM
Fair enough. Attempted, but they never came off because our forwards are not quick enough to lose their markers.
Watch Montagua on Tuesday...they have quick forwards and will tear our lot apart.
Mista is not the answer.
Agreed!

Hooligan69
07-31-2010, 09:54 PM
MLSE is laughing all the way to the bank.

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:54 PM
Yes, he looked good. The general reaction around here after a loss is to blame him though, because it's easy to do (since he makes so much money).
Honestly I don't think any player, regardless of which team, looked good. De Guzman looked better than some but to say that he had a GOOD game is a stretch!

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:54 PM
Agreed!

Looking at those passing numbers Santos and Mista don't give it away much, but they rarely do anything dangerous with it.
They are slow and not goalscoring threats.

James17930
07-31-2010, 09:55 PM
I was particularly unimpressed with Labrocca and Peterson tonight. Both of them provided nothing on the wing (or inside), and Peterson even had to be subbed off. Seems like he can't do anything in the heat.

TFC USA
07-31-2010, 09:56 PM
If it was only 1-0 did we ever come close to equalizing?

I don't care to watch the highlights reading this thread.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:58 PM
I was particularly unimpressed with Labrocca and Peterson tonight. Both of them provided nothing on the wing (or inside), and Peterson even had to be subbed off. Seems like he can't do anything in the heat.
They didn't get past their defenders once.
Not one good ball from the wings.
They have NO pace....like most of our slow, old, team.

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:58 PM
Looking at those passing numbers Santos and Mista don't give it away much, but they rarely do anything dangerous with it.
They are slow and not goalscoring threats.
I think they can be but they seemed extremely disinterested and gave up on runs before they even started them tonight....aside from that one lovely link up just before the half.

There seems to be no desire....no lust....no drive.....maybe, hopefully, it will change and fast.

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 09:59 PM
If it was only 1-0 did we ever come close to equalizing?

I don't care to watch the highlights reading this thread.

No....please don't waste your time!

Davenport
07-31-2010, 09:59 PM
If it was only 1-0 did we ever come close to equalizing?

I don't care to watch the highlights reading this thread.

No, their goalie had a very easy night, except for one good save in the 1st half. There are NO hilites.

Stryker
07-31-2010, 10:00 PM
Yes, he looked good. The general reaction around here after a loss is to blame him though, because it's easy to do (since he makes so much money).

BS. I'm tired of JDG getting a free pass cause he's canadian.
He's had a handful of brillant moments and a couple of good games. That is not enough for the DP slot he's occupying.
He's great at shielding the ball and posession but he turns it over at a Carl Robinson type rate. Not good enough!

Blixa
07-31-2010, 10:00 PM
Look on the bright side folks! We're going to make the playoffs! There's only 13 games left!

Does that sound reasonable to you? Say goodbye to playoffs my friends.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 10:01 PM
I think they can be but they seemed extremely disinterested and gave up on runs before they even started them tonight....aside from that one lovely link up just before the half.

There seems to be no desire....no lust....no drive.....maybe, hopefully, it will change and fast.

Preki doesn't look too worried, he's got a big fat long contract.
MLSE.....you asses....what a fookin' joke.

Waggy
07-31-2010, 10:02 PM
that's his fucking problem

he can score against manu but can't turn up for us for two months?

priorities, bitch

The man isn't an island. Playing with MLS all-stars surely affords him more opportunities to score than playing with a relatively stagnant TFC offense does. Don't blame him for Mo's shortcomings.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 10:04 PM
BS. I'm tired of JDG getting a free pass cause he's canadian.
He's had a handful of brillant moments and a couple of good games. That is not enough for the DP slot he's occupying.
He's great at shielding the ball and posession but he turns it over at a Carl Robinson type rate. Not good enough!

He's small, weak, tired and give us NO SPARK.

What a waste of money.

Waggy
07-31-2010, 10:05 PM
Somewhere in Canada someone watched their first TFC game today.
They won't watch another.

THIS is what mlse should be worried about. I only caught the 2nd half. I spent more time listening to music and making food than I did watching and I love TFC. This game just SUCKED. It's been 4 years, how do we STILL not have a semblance of an offensive attack? On the bright side, I'd rather us miss the playoffs and be able to sack Mo then to JUUUUST squeak in and have him swindle someone at the ACC into signing him for 5 more years.

cementhead
07-31-2010, 10:05 PM
This team thinks Defense first on the road and it shows no finish in the last third.

TFCtoMUFC
07-31-2010, 10:06 PM
We have a guy that makes 3x what Sam Cronin made, but is worse. That makes sense.

GabrielHurl
07-31-2010, 10:07 PM
Thanks for making my 19 hour drive down a waste of time

Kevvv
07-31-2010, 10:08 PM
Gabe, at least have some BBQ while you're there

LesH
07-31-2010, 10:10 PM
Preki doesn't look too worried, he's got a big fat long contract.
MLSE.....you asses....what a fookin' joke.

Of course Preki's not worried, after all all this year is to build the team, right?
So in 2011 we'll have a solid and respectable team (maybe). :rolleyes:

cementhead
07-31-2010, 10:10 PM
I think my heart rate is get back to normal.But we still suck!

Davenport
07-31-2010, 10:11 PM
THIS is what mlse should be worried about. I only caught the 2nd half. I spent more time listening to music and making food than I did watching and I love TFC. This game just SUCKED. It's been 4 years, how do we STILL not have a semblance of an offensive attack? On the bright side, I'd rather us miss the playoffs and be able to sack Mo then to JUUUUST squeak in and have him swindle someone at the ACC into signing him for 5 more years.

Agree with everything you said.

I don't think Johnston ever watches any player play before he signs them. If he does, he's an even bigger wanker than we think he is !!!!!!1

LesH
07-31-2010, 10:11 PM
Thanks for making my 19 hour drive down a waste of time

I feel your pain man!

TFCtoMUFC
07-31-2010, 10:12 PM
So in 2008 we'll have a solid and respectable team (maybe). :rolleyes:

I've read this....and this:



So in 2009 we'll have a solid and respectable team (maybe). :rolleyes:

and:



So in 2010 we'll have a solid and respectable team (maybe). :rolleyes:

now it's:


Of course Preki's not worried, after all all this year is to build the team, right?
So in 2011 we'll have a solid and respectable team (maybe). :rolleyes:

Not picking on you LeSH. Same message, 4 different years.

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks for making my 19 hour drive down a waste of time
I still pity you at present and commend you for your support but at some point I won't. I am cancelling my Seattle/Chivas tour as I really don't think i can afford to be broke and disappointed because of this team.

Maui perhaps? Hmmmmmm......sounds much more rewarding.

TFCRegina
07-31-2010, 10:12 PM
We were balls.

LesH
07-31-2010, 10:17 PM
Not picking on you LeSH. Same message, 4 different years.

I know...
And this is very sad.

Davenport
07-31-2010, 10:17 PM
We were balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xva8TfX-iP8

kaos197O
07-31-2010, 10:19 PM
and Chivas is up 2-0 on Columbus now......

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-31-2010, 10:21 PM
Wow, that was brutal. Can't help but feel TFC will never go anywhere with this group of players and management. Maybe things will look brighter after Tuesday?

Davenport
07-31-2010, 10:25 PM
Don't hold your breath.

LesH
07-31-2010, 10:25 PM
Wow, that was brutal. Can't help but feel TFC will never go anywhere with this group of players and management. Maybe things will look brighter after Tuesday?


I think the only solution and best way to deal with this team is to never ever expect performance from them.

Toronto's fan base must feel content with the fact that there is in town a franchise in the highest football division of USA and Canada combined. This and nothing else.

azorean10
07-31-2010, 10:30 PM
Frustrating to say the least....

Every F&Ck#n! team is more exciting than us, This team has no personality and is brutal to watch.

Heck, right about now i would take the team from year 1 and 2 over this one, sure , they sucked too and lost BUT the games were exciting and we had some personality and players with a little flair...Dichio ! Wynne with his speed made things interesting, Ronnie O'brien, Andy Welsh, errrrrr, o.k, scrap Welsh but i think you get the point...

TFCtoMUFC
07-31-2010, 10:33 PM
In year one we sucked. Thats fine. Teams beat us because they were better than us. Now we get beat because we don't care, and don't play hard enough.

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-31-2010, 10:35 PM
I think the only solution and best way to deal with this team is to never ever expect performance from them.

Toronto's fan base must feel content with the fact that there is in town a franchise in the highest football division of USA and Canada combined. This and nothing else.

This is true. Often when I'm down on the team, I reflect on the fact it's fun to have a team of our own to support.

I believe if they (MLSE) were to get the right people involved with the team they could do a lot more with this franchise. I just think they're not willing to or can't justify it from a dollars and cents perspective.

Blizzard
07-31-2010, 10:40 PM
Am I the only one that thinks De Guzman looked pretty good tonight (apart from that shot)? Some nifty passes in tight spaces and a great workrate ...

No, you're not alone.

adam1001
07-31-2010, 10:40 PM
In year one we sucked. Thats fine. Teams beat us because they were better than us. Now we get beat because we don't care, and don't play hard enough.
agreed. no heart, no passion. no desire to win. I actually miss year 1 and 2 .

azorean10
07-31-2010, 10:49 PM
agreed, and some will say it's the novelty thing wearing off,etc...... BUT it's not, this team is just so damn DULL! At least those first couple of years we had some memorable goals / plays that are etched in our minds and made those games fun to watch, The Dichio goals to start and close out the season, Brennan with a HOWITZER in Colombus, Wynne with his bursts of speed that had you on the edge of your seat, AMADO with the set piece goals, etc ...How many memorable moments has this bunch produced?

Jeff s
07-31-2010, 10:50 PM
In small field this was expected. Its to crowded in the mid. The defense was solid, it was just one mistake and it cost us the game.

Mista and Maicon link up well, I wanna see them given more space.

Instead of blaming on DeGuzman, who was pretty much the only mid the actually attempted on making forward passes, its time to look at the other mids.

Labrocca is solid, but he's not a wide player and doesn't have enough creativity and imagination.

Nane and Sanyang (sanyang in particular) are awful at passing.

Is Peterson planning to have a decent game for once?

We have to a lot of mids to choose from, sadly, DeGuz is the only one that has enough vision and creativity to make a dangerous pass. The rest barely contribute anything on the attack.

Inklink
07-31-2010, 10:53 PM
Total shit performance. This crap was mind-numbing.

From the shitty field to the shitty commentators to the shitty camera angles and everything in between.

DeGuzman has his head up his ass.

I'm not going to crap on Cann. Yeah he made a mistake but the dude's been almost perfect in his time here. Not his best game, definitely.

Total lack of creativity with the ball.

Honestly, I agree with the previous comments. I literally feel stupider after watching that shitshow. WOW.

Jeff s
07-31-2010, 10:55 PM
The other problem I think is that, Preki is trying to force a line up that doesn't fit the team. We have no quality wide players, yet we continue to do so. So why not line up something like this


DeGuz-Saric-Labrocca

Dero

Maicon-Mista

The players can drift wide from at some point, but lets try to attack from the middle, and let Dero roam around from his position.

DichioTFC
07-31-2010, 10:55 PM
*sigh* extremely disappointing that we lack any semblance of an attack, two points:

1. the pitch in KC is extremely narrow and it shows with the quality on the field (note to self, never watch another KC game)
2. We went from "patient" Prekiball to desperate attacking. There's no confidence, I get the feeling the players don't believe in themselves. Watch a Chelsea or a Barca, and you'll see a team that truly believes they're the best in the world at what they do. It might come off as arrogance or something else, but it really boils down to confidence.

I really wish there was a Dichio-type to get on the guys and get them to believe in themselves but I just don't see it. Love DeRo, but I don't see him as the type that will rip into guys for the betterment of the team the way a proper captain would.

Bright side: We're still tied for a playoff spot (T-6th, but the other two teams tied with us have a game in hand).
Down side: 6 of the last 9 are on the road. 41 is the magic number to get into the playoffs, and we're at 23 with 13 games left.

I'm not ready to write-off the season yet, but FFS Preki better light a fire under some asses.

Azerban
07-31-2010, 11:07 PM
Thanks for making my 19 hour drive down a waste of time


big ups to every single person who spent their time, money and energy on this fuckign shitshow

that's for you gabe

prizby
07-31-2010, 11:08 PM
1. the pitch in KC is extremely narrow and it shows with the quality on the field (note to self, never watch another KC game)


new stadium june, 2011

Waggy
07-31-2010, 11:10 PM
You know, and don't anyone take this the wrong way, I'm starting to really think the problem is us the fans. We (myself MASSIVELY included), the Toronto sports fan would rather watch a guy who doesn't QUITE have the talent but gives the effort then watch someone with talent actually win. Why? I don't know. But in every sport in this city I think we can find examples of this (My personal jersey collection promenantly involves Jerome Williams, Pinball Clemons, and Aaron Hill. I didn't bother with names for TFC or the Leafs). Maybe WE need to change first, before the team can? Instead of demanding effort, we need to demand the results. Saying "Well you went out there and did your best" just isn't cutting it. Clearly. As Sean Connery so perfectly said "Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen." Whens the last time we fucked the prom queen? We always whine about 'our best' though... Then again, I'm drunk and pissed off. What do I know.

prizby
07-31-2010, 11:10 PM
so where are the ppl blaming cann for this loss come on guys...if that had been nick garcia head backwards, there'd have been half a dozen threads calling for his release!

im still waiting for someone to somehow pinpoint that goal on nick garcia lol


frankly i was disgusted by the one way calls of the ref...every key foul went against toronto.

what was worse though was the amount of rolling around and playing dead that Kansas City played...that was disgusting and the MLS need to find a way to crack down on this shit

Azerban
07-31-2010, 11:13 PM
I'm starting to really think the problem is us the fans.

smother yourself with a pillow

habstfc
07-31-2010, 11:29 PM
TFC should have won this game, they outplayed K.C. but with a little bit of unluckiness on bunbury's chance, it wasn't to be. A week ago I would have believed santos and mista playing together, would have solved all our goals scoring woes, now I'm not so sure. Aside from mista's glorious chance on goal(it would have been more impressive if he scored) he didnt really do much tonight, either did santos. I still have high hopes from both of them, but tonight didn't do anything.

That baseball stadium in K.C. is effing awful. It's an embarassment not only to mls, but even more so to the wizards. This is supposed to be "MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER" it sure doesnt't look like it to me when I see that stadium on t.v.

Latin players, please refrain from flopping around on the field, you're antics on the field embarass you and your sport.

Waggy
07-31-2010, 11:35 PM
smother yourself with a pillow

A few more games like tonights and that wouldn't sound so bad lol. I don't mean that we are a negative influence on the team, just that demanding effort rather than demanding results are two TOTALLY different things. And it seems like we (again, including me) demand effort over results. It seems like we'd rather support a team that gives 110% but comes up just short than a team that coasts to victories. I know I would, in the regular season anyways. Look at the people this board is blaming for this loss. Outside of a few people defending JDG, he's been taking a lot of heat of late. Meanwhile hes clearly the most talented player TFC has ever had. Gargan and Cann (who I love btw) get a free pass on mistakes because the mistakes they make are honest mistakes, coming out of working too hard rather than laziness. And I don't mean to say they're bad players or bad people, but for a team to win there can't BE any honest mistakes. Perfection has to be demanded, no matter how hard someone works. An honest mistake is still a mistake. It's just a different attitude than we as a society seem to have. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, maybe not. I dunno. I'm just thinking aloud here. Clearly something aint right

reardon4tfc
07-31-2010, 11:44 PM
TFC should have won this game, they outplayed K.C. but with a little bit of unluckiness on bunbury's chance, it wasn't to be. A week ago I would have believed santos and mista playing together, would have solved all our goals scoring woes, now I'm not so sure. Aside from mista's glorious chance on goal(it would have been more impressive if he scored) he didnt really do much tonight, either did santos. I still have high hopes from both of them, but tonight didn't do anything.

That baseball stadium in K.C. is effing awful. It's an embarassment not only to mls, but even more so to the wizards. This is supposed to be "MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER" it sure doesnt't look like it to me when I see that stadium on t.v.

Latin players, please refrain from flopping around on the field, you're antics on the field embarass you and your sport.
Can't fault only Latin players. kamara was a disgrace!!!

DichioTFC
07-31-2010, 11:50 PM
A few more games like tonights and that wouldn't sound so bad lol. I don't mean that we are a negative influence on the team, just that demanding effort rather than demanding results are two TOTALLY different things. And it seems like we (again, including me) demand effort over results. It seems like we'd rather support a team that gives 110% but comes up just short than a team that coasts to victories. I know I would, in the regular season anyways. Look at the people this board is blaming for this loss. Outside of a few people defending JDG, he's been taking a lot of heat of late. Meanwhile hes clearly the most talented player TFC has ever had. Gargan and Cann (who I love btw) get a free pass on mistakes because the mistakes they make are honest mistakes, coming out of working too hard rather than laziness. And I don't mean to say they're bad players or bad people, but for a team to win there can't BE any honest mistakes. Perfection has to be demanded, no matter how hard someone works. An honest mistake is still a mistake. It's just a different attitude than we as a society seem to have. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, maybe not. I dunno. I'm just thinking aloud here. Clearly something aint right

I understand what you're saying but I dont agree. People here demand results and effort hand-in-hand. I'm glad people here are still not satisfied with a weak win, it shows how much they're craving a killer instinct from the team.

Cann obviously deserves blame for the goal, but he's not getting Garcia heat because truthfully, other than this game, has he had another bad game for our team? Of all the games I can recall, the only other time I would fault him for anything is on a goal from a corner which happens once in awhile. If it keeps happening, he'll get Garcia treatment, but until then, he doesn't deserve it. Besides, even Gretzky lost the puck once in awhile.

Stryker
07-31-2010, 11:51 PM
smother yourself with a pillow

I second this.

Azerban
07-31-2010, 11:55 PM
what we demand

what we demand

like we have an impact past our marketable characteristics

once everyone realizes that we can be sane

Shakes McQueen
08-01-2010, 12:00 AM
It was a poor game for us. Uninspired, and unimpressive. I think Cann has to take responsibility for the goal, but this is MLS - I can let these kinds of mistakes go, provided they aren't regular occurrences (and they aren't with Cann).

Anyway, I'm not going to go losing my mind over this. It was a busy schedule the last little while, it was a road game, there's still a lot of games left to be played, and we are still in the thick of the playoff hunt.

It's pretty clear to me that we need to revamp our offense - but it's less clear to me whether this is Preki's fault, or Mo's (history makes me suspect the latter). However, we've also been hamstrung by an underperforming DeRo the past several weeks. The player most vital to our offensive success has been whisper quiet for a long time, and needs to get out of his funk.

I do think some people here really need to check the overheated rhetoric. It was a poor loss. On to the next one.

- Scott

Ossington Mental Youth
08-01-2010, 12:10 AM
Am I the only one that thinks De Guzman looked pretty good tonight (apart from that shot)? Some nifty passes in tight spaces and a great workrate ...

for the most party decent had a few give aways

DichioTFC
08-01-2010, 12:15 AM
If it was only 1-0 did we ever come close to equalizing?

I don't care to watch the highlights reading this thread.

I'm not sure how TFC TV got 6 minutes worth of highlights from the game, but somehow they did.

TFC didn't deserve to lose, but they didn't deserve to win. By all accounts, this should have been a typical 0-0 road draw.

Here's hoping for our first advancement to the CONCACAF group stage!

Azerban
08-01-2010, 12:17 AM
yeah we should've flown the first team straight to honduras and let the academy battle this one out

would have been the exact same result

TFC USA
08-01-2010, 12:18 AM
Seattle won tonight and looked good. They're now ahead of us on points.

By the time Chivas rolls around we'll have entered month #3 in our "don't score 2 or more goals" drought.

Same shit every season.

ilikemusic
08-01-2010, 12:38 AM
A nil-nil draw in Hondouras and all is forgiven.

Waggy
08-01-2010, 12:45 AM
what we demand

what we demand

like we have an impact past our marketable characteristics

once everyone realizes that we can be sane

We do though! We isn't just us, the few who care enough to post on a message board around midnight on the saturday of a long weekend during Carribana, but everyone who purchases tickets, merchandise, everyone who watches on TV or online etc. The customer is ALWAYS right, first rule of any service industry. Sports is a service industry. People deride Laker fans, or Celtic fans, or Yankee fans as front runners. The fact of the matter is those people WILL NOT support the team unless it's competitive. They know they don't have to stand for mediocrity. And their owners know it too, that's why they pay whatever it costs to be competitive. We, the 'unwashed masses' have more power than you'd think, it just takes a sophistication of a fan base to get to the point where that power can be applied. Again, I'm not saying we the fans are doing anything wrong, or that we can do anything about the club. Just that our blind support of our teams isn't always healthy. We're like the parents who excuse their kid for everything they do. Oh little timmy got in a fight at school? it was the other kids fault. Oh Timmys failing french? It's the teachers fault. Oh a teacher found a note Timmy wrote that had a death threat on it? It's clearly a joke that the teacher didn't get. At a certain point we have to simply demand better.

I'm sick of watching TFC games feeling like a moron for wasting my time on them. I'm sick of wondering whether or not our GM is competent enough to put together a decent club, let alone competent enough to wake up on time in the morning. I'm sick of watching every road game EXPECTING us to shit the bed. I'm sick of watching us waste money on players who aren't helping us win games. I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong, I'm simply stating my opinion that clearly the status quo isn't and hasn't worked. You can go back and check my history to see I'm not a sky is falling type fan. I'm more then happy to stand by the team if I feel its going in teh right direction, no matter the result on the pitch. I don't think this team is going in the right direction. If you disagree, that's your prerogative, but right now points wise, TFC is roughly the same place it was last year. And the year before. And after we all, including me, had our hopes raised by the acquisition's.

If, yet again, we all thought 'things are different this time, I really believed things changed' but they haven't, at a certain point we have to take responsibility for ourselves. It's battered wives syndrome, or whatever it's officially called. We can't expect our circumstances to change without us ourselves changing.

Roogsy
08-01-2010, 01:59 AM
The man isn't an island. Playing with MLS all-stars surely affords him more opportunities to score than playing with a relatively stagnant TFC offense does. Don't blame him for Mo's shortcomings.

If anything, scoring in the All Star game against Man United shows that if you put the RIGHT pieces around him, he will produce. Can't give a man a hunk of shit and ask him to bake a cake from it.

Roogsy
08-01-2010, 02:00 AM
I am not going to rag on Cann. He made a mistake, sometimes it happens, the team is supposed to rally around that and undo the damage. This team can't score in a whorehouse with a bunch of 20s in their hands. I blame Mo and Preki.

Roogsy
08-01-2010, 02:02 AM
Latin players, please refrain from flopping around on the field, you're antics on the field embarass you and your sport.

Take your racism elsewhere.

DichioTFC
08-01-2010, 02:19 AM
If anything, scoring in the All Star game against Man United shows that if you put the RIGHT pieces around him, he will produce. Can't give a man a hunk of shit and ask him to bake a cake from it.


I am not going to rag on Cann. He made a mistake, sometimes it happens, the team is supposed to rally around that and undo the damage. This team can't score in a whorehouse with a bunch of 20s in their hands. I blame Mo and Preki.

Someone's one a roll!!
:hump:

DichioTFC
08-01-2010, 02:23 AM
This match probably isn't the catalyst for a vulgarity-laced fire 'em speech... but when is it coming?
Frank Yallop: San Jose Earthquakes "Laid Down And Died" Against Seattle Sounders FC

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-league-soccer/2010/08/01/2050765/frank-yallop-san-jose-earthquakes-laid-down-and-died-against


That's something I want to hear from Preki or DeRo. No more BS about "good effort" and "unlucky" and blaming refs (even if they're the problem, it's our job to overcome them).

Waggy
08-01-2010, 03:18 AM
If anything, scoring in the All Star game against Man United shows that if you put the RIGHT pieces around him, he will produce. Can't give a man a hunk of shit and ask him to bake a cake from it.

WARNING: (EXTREMELY) LONG BUILT UP RANT COMING

Bingo. And I didn't mean to imply I was blaming Cann for the loss at all. I love Cann. The point I was trying to make is accepting less than the best because someone is giving their all isn't good enough anymore. This isn't year one. There are no A's for effort. We need to be demanding better players. The fact that Garcia is even on the pitch at any point in any meaningful game, let alone wearing the fucking armband is a disgrace. We need to get better players. End of discussion. I don't want to hear about salary caps, because every team in MLS has to deal with the same rules. I don't want to hear about DPs not wanting to come here or us not getting the right ones, Salt Lake City didn't have any and they managed to get something done last year. How? By getting guys with talent and putting them in a system that maximizes their abilities. What we have is a square peg going in to a round hole. Again. After 3.5 years of futility, I'm freaking sick of hearing about integrating new players into a new system as an excuse. There is one person who is CLEARLY accountable for both of those things. His name starts with Mo and ends with Johnson.

At a certain point the person responsible for getting the building blocks we're playing with has to pay the fucking piper. If our team isn't good enough, which it seems pretty clearly it's not despite it's best efforts, then the ax needs to fall as SOON as fucking possible. The transfer window is open NOW. We can be building NOW. Not 'after this season', but NOW. Get someone competent before Mo kills all the momentum TFC has built. The eurosnobs I'm friends with are starting to respect MLS as a league after the World Cup and some of the signings other clubs have made recently, but I still can't drag them to a TFC game because the team is a fucking joke. I can't bring myself to sell going to see TFC by saying they're playing the Galaxy or the Shite Bulls or anyone else. And I'm NOT selling people on going to a TFC game for the fan experience. Because you know what? That's crap. If MLSE wants to pay me to market for them, I'm all ears. Until that happens, it's THEIR job to sell the team. Not mine. They want people to come to games, it's easy enough. Like Al Davis said so famously, just win baby. Give people a PRODUCT. To be honest, it's getting harder to sell myself on TFC, and that worries me a lot. Every time this happens I just feel more and more like a sheep. Getting distracted by the shiny things and ignoring the open and obvious problems.

I've been keeping quiet all fucking season waiting to see what this team was going to do, I didn't want to rush to any rash decisions. I was more than willing to give this years club and Prekis moves a chance, but you know what? No! It's the same fucking shit as the past 3 years! NOTHING has changed! At least these guys try, fine. I appreciate that if I'm taking time or spending money to watch them that at least they're playing hard. That said what I WANT to see is them WIN. That involves getting TALENTED players who want to play together playing as a cohesive unit and beating other teams. Preferably making it look as easy as possible. How often does Man U look like they're rolling at 100%? Or Barca? NO-ONE can give 100% all the time, it's impossible. Everyone has good days and bad, on the bad days our talent and training have to prove to be better than our opponents! Our current team we have to be at our absolute best while giving maximum effort against weaker opposition to get results. That is NOT the mark of a good team. Good teams win bad games! Good teams win games they shouldn't. Good teams dont lose to teams they should beat every day of the week.

More importantly; I don't want TFC to keep games close enough to tease us by beating the fuck out of other teams. I love violent sports, I LOVE football, it's my favorite sport, but I don't watch soccer to see hacking and cheap shots. And it pains me to say it, but we are a hacking fucking team. Garcia may as well be fucking Ulf Sammulson out there. It's embarrassing! We take shots at other teams players. We are reckless and dangerous on the pitch. Why? Because we don't have the talent to match other clubs outside of the midfield! I don't EVER want to be ashamed to support a Toronto team, but this group of people is getting me closer and closer to feeling that way. A team based on cheap-shot artists on defense, a midfield that's flashy with no-one to pass to and a one headed offensive attack will not win! I don't care HOW hard they try. Obviously I prefer them to try then to not try, but what I WANT to see is the team play well! Win or lose I'd rather it be with dignity playing the game of soccer rather than having to witness some of the muggings from yesterday. I don't EVER ever ever want to watch a Toronto team play a game and feel bad for a player on another team for being basically assaulted by someone wearing a Toronto jersey. I feel dirty even cheering for the team after that. Yesterdays game, again I only saw the second half, 3 or 4 times I actually cringed and turned away from the TV when I saw replays of the fouls we committed that were clearly not going for the ball and attempting to simply take out another teams place. It's a disgrace to the game and ourselves. I played left back, I understand how to slide tackle and how positioning works. All the cringe inducing tackles I saw were a result of laziness, poor positioning or a lack of footspeed/talent. Again, all of which can be laid at the feet of one man.

We're better than this. The team is better than this. The city is better than this. I just hope someone who actually has some decision making power in MLSE is as disgusted with how some of the players 'represented' the jersey and the city yesterday as I am. And I hope they realize that there is one single person responsible. The same guy who's ALWAYS been responsible. I'm done with this team till he's gone. I won't even say his fucking name. Say what you will about the Raptors and Leafs, at least they try to build teams. Even if they executed their plans poorly, there is logic behind those teams moves and one can see what the respective GMs were trying to do. They had SOME blueprint in their heads of what they wanted. What the fuck was the blueprint for TFC over the past 4 years? Are we a defensive team? Then why did we sign a bunch of forwards rather than shoring up our defense? Our we building around the midfield? Then how do we not have wingers for them to outlet to? Are we building around forwards? Then why didn't we have ANY forwards of any ability coming in to this season? What was the logic behind some of the moves? All Preki has done since coming in to Toronto is try and fix the TERRIBLE moves and signings that were already made. It's an albatross around his neck.

To get to the point: I am boycotting all things TFC until the GM is replaced. That includes watching games on tv or online, reading about games in the newspaper or online, or wearing any of my TFC merch. I am done enabling this team to continue down this path of self destruction. If they want to ruin the best thing thats happened to this city sportswise in 15 years thats fine, they can go ahead, just don't expect me to drive off the cliff with them. If you want to call me not a true fan, well I'm sorry. I don't think I can convince you otherwise. I think anyone on here who knows me, or if you go through my old posts over the years would clearly see I'm not a fairweather fan nor a johnny come lately. I just can't deal with this ineptitude anymore. It's too much, and its gone on for FAR too long. It's for my own and the teams own good. I'll be back after hes gone. Good luck to all of you, I hope you have good cardiologists and proctologists. I feel like you'll need them.

/END LONG BUILT UP RANT

DichioTFC
08-01-2010, 06:18 AM
There is one person who is CLEARLY accountable for both of those things. His name starts with Mo and ends with Johnson.


Are you talking about Morris Lynn Johnson, the Kentucky-born career criminal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Lynn_Johnson

Sure he had a couple bank robberies, assaulted police officers and inmates, and broke out of jail a couple times... but I don't think he's accountable for the TFC stuff...

Heathen
08-01-2010, 07:37 AM
agreed, and some will say it's the novelty thing wearing off,etc...... BUT it's not, this team is just so damn DULL! At least those first couple of years we had some memorable goals / plays that are etched in our minds and made those games fun to watch, The Dichio goals to start and close out the season, Brennan with a HOWITZER in Colombus, Wynne with his bursts of speed that had you on the edge of your seat, AMADO with the set piece goals, etc ...How many memorable moments has this bunch produced?

Spot on, with the combination of Preki's defensive style and the departure of the characters I really don't look forward to games much anymore. Now its just like supporting my original team Birmingham City :(

phonzo
08-01-2010, 08:54 AM
was I disappointed sure...was a i surprised..no

/yawn this team

Waggy
08-01-2010, 09:10 AM
Are you talking about Morris Lynn Johnson, the Kentucky-born career criminal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Lynn_Johnson

Sure he had a couple bank robberies, assaulted police officers and inmates, and broke out of jail a couple times... but I don't think he's accountable for the TFC stuff...

LOL. Apparently I am melodramatic about soccer when drunk. I can't believe I wrote something that long and coherent PLASTERED at 4am. :picard:

And I was speaking about Maurice Robert Johnston. Deputy head of the English army during the Falkland War. That bastard is preventing us from getting the good Argentinian talent!

Fort York Redcoat
08-01-2010, 09:13 AM
Morning after. Frustrating game. The players must feel the same way. Two missed yellows and Espinoza + Kamara = the bane of real football. Their hijinx was enough to make home fans laugh.

Still no excuse for the three giant through balls to no one (JDG, Garcia x 2).

Anbody else notice Peterson is the new Serioux when it comes to throw-ins?
This was a match I thought I didn't care too much about but it's all about what the team can take away from a loss. Not much here.

Oh, Mista will stir the pot. That rolling his tongue thing was funny as hell.

DoubleUp
08-01-2010, 09:31 AM
You know, and don't anyone take this the wrong way, I'm starting to really think the problem is us the fans. We (myself MASSIVELY included), the Toronto sports fan would rather watch a guy who doesn't QUITE have the talent but gives the effort then watch someone with talent actually win. Why? I don't know. But in every sport in this city I think we can find examples of this (My personal jersey collection promenantly involves Jerome Williams, Pinball Clemons, and Aaron Hill. I didn't bother with names for TFC or the Leafs). Maybe WE need to change first, before the team can? Instead of demanding effort, we need to demand the results. Saying "Well you went out there and did your best" just isn't cutting it. Clearly. As Sean Connery so perfectly said "Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen." Whens the last time we fucked the prom queen? We always whine about 'our best' though... Then again, I'm drunk and pissed off. What do I know.
This is what kills most cAnadian professional and national teams this"I tried my best attitude" its in the fabric of the society and it trickles down from the fans to the staff to the players and it stinks stinks. When we as the fan come across players that just care about winning and making money, we Call them" cunt and douche" this E for Effort shit is killing Canadian sports and makes the country and the people look very soft and passive. We don't even have a killer instinct when it comes to hockey, we have more of a must get it done beacuse this is our game and its our national Pride attitude. If we ever reached a point where we were no longer dominant in Hockey the foundation of sporting in this country would crumble, because without it as confidence boost we just dont measure up.

Batman
08-01-2010, 09:40 AM
LOL. Apparently I am melodramatic about soccer when drunk. I can't believe I wrote something that long and coherent PLASTERED at 4am. :picard:

And I was speaking about Maurice Robert Johnston. Deputy head of the English army during the Falkland War. That bastard is preventing us from getting the good Argentinian talent!

Dont worry.

No one read it.:D

ag futbol
08-01-2010, 10:38 AM
This is what kills most cAnadian professional and national teams this"I tried my best attitude" its in the fabric of the society and it trickles down from the fans to the staff to the players and it stinks stinks. When we as the fan come across players that just care about winning and making money, we Call them" cunt and douche" this E for Effort shit is killing Canadian sports and makes the country and the people look very soft and passive.
I agree completely.

I think what people fail to understand is that skilled players have actually placed a lot of their effort into developing their technique and the most effective action isn't the one that explicitly requires the most effort all the time. Instead we make hero's out of guys that suck balls but work really hard.

As for this game, I don't want to comment on were were headed for the rest of this year. I hold out hope that we can make the playoffs (and somehow Johnston ends up far far away from TFC). But what saddens me is our vision of soccer is extremely ugly and boring. Disappointing not only for us, but the players coming up through our system. We're playing Catenaccio tactics basically.

koryo
08-01-2010, 10:39 AM
The only good thing about last night's was that Gobi & I could share our anguish with a fine group of people at Scally's.

Darlofletch
08-01-2010, 10:44 AM
Well that was a really disappointing game. In the first half especially, we were just constantly playing long balls to no-one. I get that it's a small pitch so the midfield was clustered, but what's the point of having De Guzman and mista if you're just going to play the ball over their heads all the time. They should have played barrett from the start who would at least have been better for running after long balls, saved Mista for the Motagua game where his skills will presumably be more effective.

bad fuck-up by Cann, who really didn't have his best game, Kamara outjumped him and almost scored on a corner as well.

No-one really played well, i though De Guzman was the best of a bad bunch, and all in all just very uninspiring. preki's post game interview with Andi he was saying we didn't deserve to lose. well maybe not, but we certainly didn't deserve to win either.

Really really really annoying camera work as well from the kc people, bugged the crap out of me.

kamara and espoinoza, terrible stuff, should be ashamed of themselves.

I'd been out but pvr'd the game to watch when I got home, deliberately avoiding the score so as to watch it live, wish I'd come here first, could have saved myself the bother of staying up late.

sigh.

Workie
08-01-2010, 10:54 AM
No-one really played well, i thought De Guzman was usless as always. Too much money and not enough brains. Mr. I'm going to hold the ball not make the quick pass to the open man. Then spin and pass it to a blue shirt. Is he colour blind?

Barret, again plaid with heart and worked his arse off. Again cracker of a winger! Why do we use him as a striker?

Anyone notice the last few games our REAL captian has beel flooping around the pitch like a dying trout? Has this season got him so down that he just wants to get through the 90 and go home?

Blixa
08-01-2010, 11:03 AM
Quite simply the dullness of our style is impossible to describe. I agree with the comments that back in the day we were far more entertaining and unpredictable. Sure, we'd lose 4-0 from time to time, but then we'd win the game 3-1. Now it's all 1-1, 0-0, 0-1 after what usually is a very uneventful game. And it's beginning not to matter whether it's a home or an away game. At least 2-3 years ago you could count on seeing a good game at BMO. Not anymore in my opinion.

Pachuco
08-01-2010, 11:16 AM
I can't believe I'm the one saying this, but DeGuzman was by far the best player on the pitch for TFC. He actually looked like he gave a fuck, and for once, I felt his passing rate was extremely high. He was on point with most of his passes. Had one brain fart with a chance on net though, he needs to hire a personal shooting coach. Honestly though, I really think he took control of that midfield.

I wonder if it has something to do with Dero being off the field? I don't know, I hope this isn't turning into a Lampard Gerrard situation.

And as for Dero, well, all I can say is I want to refer you all to that crazy thread I started 2 months ago. You know, the one where I voted to keep Dero as a striker and 99% of the people disagreed. That same thread where I said why fuck with a good thing and everyone else said Dero is a better midfielder then striker. Well, I disagree with you all, preki fucked with a good thing and I knew this was going to happen. I propose Dero back up top with Maicon and maybe Barrett on the wing.

Which leads me to our wing, fuck Peterson is bad. agghh.

One more thing, aside from one touch I think Roogsy had good reason to be worried about Mista. This guy surely doesn't look like he's going to end our goal scoring problems. You can't sign a guy for half a season when he needs time to get fit. By the time he's fit his contract is up and we haven't made the playoffs.

That's all for now.

dupont
08-01-2010, 11:22 AM
That was a pretty shitty match all around. I don't like the style that the team was playing. I know Preki's system is boring but this didn't look the same. It was boring but without knowing how to keep the ball of make passes. All the boredom without any of the winning benefits.
Everyone played relatively bad so no one really stood out as the most terrible to me.

Oh well. The Motagua game is another day so I hope it's a much better showing.

Inklink
08-01-2010, 11:28 AM
so where are the ppl blaming cann for this loss come on guys...if that had been nick garcia head backwards, there'd have been half a dozen threads calling for his release!

im still waiting for someone to somehow pinpoint that goal on nick garcia lol



Let Cann do this on a regular basis for months, then those criticisms will come.

Pachuco
08-01-2010, 11:36 AM
Let Cann do this on a regular basis for months, then those criticisms will come.

Exactly. Cann has done nothing but turn this team around defensively this season. One fuck up from Cann isn't going to change my opinion about him and it sure as heck isn't going to make me throw him under the bus. We didn't lose this game because of that fuck up, we lost this game because we have no idea how to put the ball in the net.

Our defense pretty much has to be perfect every single night in order for us to pull off a 1-0 win or a 0-0 tie. At some point something has to give. Can you imagine the pressure our defenders feel knowing that if they allow one goal it pretty much guarantees a win or a loss for the team.

Here is an interesting stat, the last time we scored more then 1 goal was May 29th against San Jose. That's two entire months without scoring more then 1 goal. Pathetic.

ArmenJBX
08-01-2010, 11:44 AM
Regardless, when it comes to how we play, we have one major flaw. WE PASS TO FREI WAAAAAAY TO OFTEN. This needs to stop. Passing it back and having him hoof it up the field isn't going to help offensively unless it takes a lucky bounce. If you don't know what to do with the ball, play it around. Giving the ball away because you're stuck is stupid. Stop passing the ball back to Frei and let him get a touch on the ball when it matters most.

TFC USA
08-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Remember when we scored 3 against San Jose?

We've scored 4 goals since May 29th.

Whoop
08-01-2010, 01:14 PM
It's fucking MLS. What do you expect?

The most consistent winning team over the last few years has been Columbus Crew yet aside from GBS, 95% of the people even here couldn't name more than 3 players on the team. Same goes with this year's dominant team, the Galaxy.

Then you have a team with all the DPs, New York, yet it's not like they're burning up the standings.

So it comes down to the cap where you have to mix good players with average players with the hopes that these average players have moments of above average play.

I like JDG but he was a terrible buy for the type of football that is played in the MLS.

DeRo is clearly in a funk. Yes, you surround him with good players like the MLS All-Star Game and he'll produce. But at that MLS All-Star team would be over the cap. DeRo is tired and really should have not played in that match on Wednesday.

Going back to managing the cap issue, if Mo had better players, or more depth, DeRo could be even more rested for the match on Tuesday. But with the team showing no spark, the coach has to bring him in.

Which comes back to at which point does the coach take some responsibility for the match last night? Clearly something isn't working. And working hard isn't enough.

Surely that shit band box of a stadium that KC plays in doesn't help.

But again, it's the MLS. Toronto FC manages to get by Motagua on Tuesday all is forgiven.

And if Toronto FC manages to make it into the playoffs and even win a round, then the season is deemed a success.

For fuck sakes, RSL was a sub .500 team last season yet were MLS Champions.

Welcome to the MLS indeed. Love Toronto FC but really becoming more disillusioned with a league that really at the end of the day caters to the lowest common denominator and does not allow for excellence to rise to the top.

algieb
08-01-2010, 01:24 PM
this proves again we do not need to be in this stupid cocaf cup, look what l. a done they know the league is priority.playing in this playing friendlys,sucks the energy from the team,yesterday we started with two cenre forwards no wide men and a midfield that could not pass f water.you could not swap de gusman on ebay for a bus pass,garcia must be blackmailing the staff to be still at tfc,we are basically a hard working middle off the road team and that is not set to change any time soon, making play offs dont look like happenibg again,no fun watching this team this year very boring and predictable.

ilikemusic
08-01-2010, 01:26 PM
This exact scenario has played out in every season of this team's existence.

There is no reason to believe this one will yet be different.

Pookie
08-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Last night came down to tactics for me.

The pitch is incredibly short and it seemed that our strategy was to use Frei to send the ball near the box and hope for a good bounce.

A basic premise of football is attack wide and defend narrow. On a short pitch like this, that couldn't be more true.

Our supposed plan of launching long balls towards the box played right into the "defend narrow" strategy employed by KC. We never really played in dangerous areas out wide and didn't stretch their defense.

I was disappointed to see JDG moved back to the middle of the field. He was seemingly effective against Motagua in a wider position and may have helped present the threat out wide that would have created holes in their defense.

In fairness, they didn't have a better plan and this game was going to result in 3 points for the side that got better bounces.

DoubleUp
08-01-2010, 01:56 PM
This exact scenario has played out in every season of this team's existence.

There is no reason to believe this one will yet be different.

Thats because our team has to many people riding the "he's a nice guy" wave. Nice guys finish last.

bigtfcfan
08-01-2010, 02:02 PM
I thought JDG was the only person that made some forward passes in that game. I'm extremely disappointed with Labrocca so far this season.

Overall poor display by TFC. This is the TFC we are most familiar with.

Cashcleaner
08-01-2010, 02:03 PM
I took a look out the window today after the loss in Kansas City, and strangely enough the world doesn't appear to have ended. LOL!

Obviously, a win would have been great but Toronto certainly didn't look lost or distressed on the pitch. I think it's fair to say that KC outplayed us, but only just. I dunno, that's just my take on it.

LesH
08-01-2010, 02:09 PM
Remember when we scored 3 against San Jose?

We've scored 4 goals since May 29th.


Are you sure this is correct?
If so, man this is a fucking terrible stat... :facepalm:

TFC USA
08-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Yep I'm certain. I am including MLS play only just to clarify.

vs. Kansas City - 0-0
vs. LA - 0-0
vs. Houston - 1-1
vs. Colorado - 1-0
@ Philly - 1-2
vs. Dallas - 1-1
@ KC - 0-1


Also none of the goals we've scored in that span have come in the 1st half.

ag futbol
08-01-2010, 02:29 PM
It's fucking MLS. What do you expect?

Can't say i agree with this line of thinking. Even within our little league there are differences in the way things work. Sometimes the level of play flat out sucks, but I've seen plenty of the better teams put on a good show. It's not as random as people make it out to be.



And as for Dero, well, all I can say is I want to refer you all to that crazy thread I started 2 months ago. You know, the one where I voted to keep Dero as a striker and 99% of the people disagreed.

yes! The guy is a striker, but doesn't like playing the spot. Clearly this is where he's at his best. Never liked him in the playmaking roll because he's too slow to release the ball.

habstfc
08-01-2010, 03:31 PM
Excuse me roogsy but the comment I made about latin player's flopping around the field was never intended to be, nor is a racist comment. It's more of an observation really, are you going to defend that type of shit on the field. I see it game in and game out. Is it always a latin player doing it, no, but the majority of instances I've seen involve latin players. Were you not at the motagua game? All players do it, but it's well known that flopping and acting injured is a tactict employed by latin countries, quit pretending like it doesn't happen.

Pachuco I totally agree with you about DERO playing striker, maybe he'll get his goal scoring touch back if he plays up front for a few games at least, perhaps playing there permanently.

prizby
08-02-2010, 01:02 PM
I am not going to rag on Cann. He made a mistake, sometimes it happens, the team is supposed to rally around that and undo the damage. This team can't score in a whorehouse with a bunch of 20s in their hands. I blame Mo and Preki.


but if it had been garcia the whole of toronto would have been torn down

Menelaos
08-02-2010, 01:07 PM
but if it had been garcia the whole of toronto would have been torn down

Only because he has done it multiple times Priz.
Lets face it, the idiot has 3 own goals...

I'm sure if Cann keeps doing it, more and more will come down on him too.
I just hope he doesn't turn into another Garcia.

Roogsy
08-02-2010, 01:14 PM
Which leads me to our wing, fuck Peterson is bad. agghh.

Why the hell is he getting so much playing time? What has he done to contribute? How the hell is Peterson an acceptable sub for DeRo as he has been for several games now?

This is exactly my problem with Preki's "hard work" theory. Yeah...you've got a bunch of hard-workers on the pitch with no skill and no sense of position. And this is the result you get.

Peterson is the poster-child of how effective Preki's theories are. Where are Saric? Usanov? Hscanovics? There sure was a lot of upheaval and turnaround on this team for a bunch of guys riding the pine.

Roogsy
08-02-2010, 01:15 PM
Only because he has done it multiple times Priz.
Lets face it, the idiot has 3 own goals...

I'm sure if Cann keeps doing it, more and more will come down on him too.
I just hope he doesn't turn into another Garcia.

3 own goals with Toronto???

Fort York Redcoat
08-02-2010, 01:57 PM
Why the hell is he getting so much playing time? What has he done to contribute? How the hell is Peterson an acceptable sub for DeRo as he has been for several games now?

This is exactly my problem with Preki's "hard work" theory. Yeah...you've got a bunch of hard-workers on the pitch with no skill and no sense of position. And this is the result you get.

Peterson is the poster-child of how effective Preki's theories are. Where are Saric? Usanov? Hscanovics? There sure was a lot of upheaval and turnaround on this team for a bunch of guys riding the pine.

Peterson hasn't contributed as much as Preki hoped. I believe Preki saw a chance for Peterson to up his level in a new environment. That hasn't happened so far and I'd agree with giving him less time and challenge him for those minutes now. But i can't say overall that the 3 mentioned have shown me much more than Peterson has.

Again, I still agree that when a hopeful struggles he shouldn't be given endless amounts of time to improve.

ag futbol
08-02-2010, 02:09 PM
I don't think we should be surprised by Peterson's level of performance. He's playing around the level he's been at for his whole career. He's basically just an average serviceable guy making up the numbers.

How many more months are we all going to have to write the phraze "we still need a real quality wide player". Justin Mapp would have been a badly needed addition for this team.

spark
08-02-2010, 02:49 PM
3 own goals with Toronto???

I think he means turnovers that directly led to goals.

Blizzard
08-02-2010, 03:47 PM
3 own goals with Toronto???

One I believe.

I still consider this to be our worst own goal, scored by Hunter Freeman in his brief period of time with TFC after coming over from NYRB and prior to going to Scandinavia. It's too bad that this is all he will be remembered for here in Toronto as he was actually a very good defender and I think would be welcome on the current squad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZtD-30YKBk

Even though this took place a year before Garcia joined the club, I've actually seen him blamed for this one on this board. LOL.

Roogsy
08-02-2010, 04:31 PM
I think he means turnovers that directly led to goals.

Then it's a deceiving statement.

DichioTFC
08-02-2010, 04:56 PM
Lol how is this thread still open? We're 26 hours from an historic match in club history and the discussion about last Saturday's match is still going on.

/thread (please!)

Roogsy
08-02-2010, 05:25 PM
As long as there are opinions about the game, threads can stay open. They should be closed once the next game starts.

rocker
08-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Saric?

Saric is injured.

Blizzard
08-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Saric is injured.

Yup. I herd somewhere that he may be out for another few weeks. Don't know what his injury is.

Pachuco
08-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Saric is injured.

Hasn't been injured for long I don't think. Regardless, Sanyang and DeGuzman are what seems to be Preki's middle of the park boys so I think his point is still valid. I guess we'll see what happens when both Sanyang and Saric are back.