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drewski
07-06-2010, 07:56 AM
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/07/toronto-fc-signs-spanish-forward-mista

brad
07-06-2010, 07:58 AM
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/07/toronto-fc-signs-spanish-forward-mista

Excellent. Looking forward to seeing him play.

Joe Kool
07-06-2010, 07:59 AM
Excellent. Looking forward to seeing him play.

Too bad it won't be on Saturday...

bgnewf
07-06-2010, 08:00 AM
The press release does not mention half season DP. Any able to confirm if it is???

Menelaos
07-06-2010, 08:01 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

Nodoubtguy
07-06-2010, 08:04 AM
I like this risk alot. Mista is clearly a talented player who has been able to play at some of the top teams in Spain. Only signed for the rest of the season, if it doesn't work there's no long term commitment.

Azerban
07-06-2010, 08:04 AM
i am utterly surprised

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 08:05 AM
He has to be better than OBW.

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 08:06 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

I'm sure his former teammate JDG, has been talking up the club with him.

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 08:07 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

A wheelbarrow of cash?

I like the signing. He's proven at top levels and even though in recent years he's not been as prolific, he's still only 31 and just 4 years removed from his excellent stint at Valencia. And when looking at his wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mista_%28footballer%29) and his less impressive goal rate in recent years, he have to remember that it is La Liga (do I really need to specify it's much better than MLS?) and most of those appearances could be substitute ones, making his ratio better than it would otherwise appear.

I haven't been this excited about a signing in a while. Ultimately, he'll be judged on the pitch but for now, all indications suggest that this is a good move.

Kaz
07-06-2010, 08:08 AM
I like that there is no mention of him being a DP either.

razor787
07-06-2010, 08:10 AM
No mention of DP Status means we could be bringing someone else in? We do have the 3rd spot open, but thats the only reason i can see for not using the DP slot....

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 08:10 AM
I haven't been this excited about a signing in a while. Ultimately, he'll be judged on the pitch but for now, all indications suggest that this is a good move.

Best indicator yet: He was found by Preki and Jim, not by Mo. Mo just did the paperwork.

...and ha-ha, the wiki has already been updated showing him as a TFC player.

Fort York Redcoat
07-06-2010, 08:11 AM
Who's getting a Mista kit?

bgnewf
07-06-2010, 08:12 AM
No mention of DP Status means we could be bringing someone else in? We do have the 3rd spot open, but thats the only reason i can see for not using the DP slot....

Or they got him on a real bargain and may give DeRo a DP deal to free up some extra cash.

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 08:13 AM
Who's getting a Mista kit?

If he sticks around next year (someone somewhere suggested his contract was just for the rest of the year) and he proves successful, I think I would.

Wonder if he'll wear the #10. No basis for the argument but it seems like he'd be a guy who would want the #10.

TFC_Junky
07-06-2010, 08:16 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

Cause DeGuzman was talking to him about coming over.

ag futbol
07-06-2010, 08:20 AM
Let's see how this works out.

Not overly optimistic about this one...

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 08:21 AM
If he sticks around next year (someone somewhere suggested his contract was just for the rest of the year) and he proves successful, I think I would.

Wonder if he'll wear the #10. No basis for the argument but it seems like he'd be a guy who would want the #10.

#10 is usually an attacking midfielder.

#9 is usually the number for a lead striker. Samuel Eto'o is #9.

TFC_Junky
07-06-2010, 08:23 AM
So what does this say about the Brandy rumor? Are we going after both?

Pigfynn
07-06-2010, 08:25 AM
^^I'm guessing yes.

Mista as a striker and Brandy as a pacey winger..both spots we need help in.

flatpicker
07-06-2010, 08:29 AM
Nice to finally see some some new additions to the squad.
I hope he works out, we need to goals!

manic.street.preacher
07-06-2010, 08:31 AM
to borrow a phrase from Whoopee, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' about this signing. we're not saddled with anything long term and he's proven himself at quality clubs. could be a flash in the pan or a great addition to the team (take some of the weight off Deros shoulders too). good gamble to take, i think.

jloome
07-06-2010, 08:36 AM
Brandy's agent suggests MLS is best bet.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/07/05/2011401/former-manchester-united-striker-febian-brandy-close-to

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 08:37 AM
#10 is usually an attacking midfielder.

#9 is usually the number for a lead striker. Samuel Eto'o is #9.

Oh yes, I'm aware of the typical numbering scheme. But like I said, just a feeling.

If he does take #9, what do us Dichio lovers think of that? His number is not retired of course (and it's not a common practice in football anyway), but it does have meaning (to me anyway). We know it will have none to the club: Gerba was going to wear #9 before he got sent away.

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 08:37 AM
good gamble to take, i think.
I'm with you on this one. When your team struggles to score, you must take some risks to address that problem. It seems that TFC has also attempted to limit the downside. Mista's contract is only until the end of the 2010 season.

Brooker
07-06-2010, 08:37 AM
good gamble to take, i think.


+1111111111

drewski
07-06-2010, 08:40 AM
If he sticks around next year (someone somewhere suggested his contract was just for the rest of the year) and he proves successful, I think I would.

Wonder if he'll wear the #10. No basis for the argument but it seems like he'd be a guy who would want the #10.


#10 is usually an attacking midfielder.

#9 is usually the number for a lead striker. Samuel Eto'o is #9.


#10 it is. and he'll be at training today


LukeWileman (http://twitter.com/LukeWileman)
#torontofc (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23torontofc) new signing Mista will wear number 10. He will be training with the team in Oakville today

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 08:41 AM
Brandy's agent suggests MLS is best bet.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/07/05/2011401/former-manchester-united-striker-febian-brandy-close-to

A little off-topic but this is why, despite having a dislike for Landycakes, it was important for him to do well on his loan deal to Everton this past winter: it raises the profile of MLS and encourages more players to come here. Brandy cites his influence as part of the reason why he's interested.

TFC_Junky
07-06-2010, 08:42 AM
^^I'm guessing yes.

Mista as a striker and Brandy as a pacey winger..both spots we need help in.

This would be great! I know that some of the guys here aren't exactly "sold" on either but the combination with DeRo and JDG could be really potent!!! Actually, if Mista can hit the net a few times it may fuel Barrett to notch a few more!

Kaz
07-06-2010, 08:46 AM
anyone think he may have taken a low pay cheque knowing he needs to impress after a season on the bench? he can stay match fit, maybe put a few in the back of the net and get a few offers from Europe.

Might not be a bad thing for him or us if that is his reasoning.

I just have visions of Barrett's first season repeating.

brad
07-06-2010, 08:46 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

He wants to play football over the summer to get some match fitness back before looking for a contract overseas?

That, combined with the fact he knows DeGuzman.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Who's getting a Mista kit?

if he scores a ridiculous amount and proves himself, defo me

pekduck
07-06-2010, 08:50 AM
shameless plug [members only thread]

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=23387

You get to see Mista play in PPL Park on July 17th in Philadelphia, join the Road Warriors and sing for the Reds!

daner90
07-06-2010, 08:50 AM
Happy to see us bring in someone to take over for OBW. Now let's see some goals!

manic.street.preacher
07-06-2010, 08:50 AM
if he scores a ridiculous amount and proves himself, defo me

^i'll eat my hat the day TFC starts scoring ridiculous amounts consistently

billyfly
07-06-2010, 08:58 AM
Mista has been training with the team for several weeks. He's slow but his skill level is definitely noticable.

ag futbol
07-06-2010, 08:58 AM
anyone think he may have taken a low pay cheque knowing he needs to impress after a season on the bench? he can stay match fit, maybe put a few in the back of the net and get a few offers from Europe.
I think he's fallen pretty far is that's the case.

There's still a fair amount of middle ground between MLS and La Liga.

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 09:02 AM
#10 it is. and he'll be at training today


LukeWileman (http://twitter.com/LukeWileman)
#torontofc (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23torontofc) new signing Mista will wear number 10. He will be training with the team in Oakville today

Lucky's "feeling" was bang on (or he'd already read Luke's tweet)..

Ossington Mental Youth
07-06-2010, 09:04 AM
Pretty decent gamble imo.
Has a similar strike rate to that of Juan Pablo and is the same age when he came over, essentially played the same level but is a diff sort of player, could be a great signing.

maninb
07-06-2010, 09:05 AM
If Mista can be a type of "poacher" then he'll do well here, Barrett may not score often, but his runs do open up room for others, unfortunatley OBW isn't intelligent or talented enough to make those runs or use that space...

tfcleeds
07-06-2010, 09:11 AM
I like this signing. Being a Depor fan and all. And if it doesn't work out, its only for half the season. Guy has fallen off the radar a bit recently, hope he has some goals left in him.

Carts
07-06-2010, 09:17 AM
Good signing in my opinion...

He's familiar & has played with JDG - people keep complaining that the players around JDG aren't good enough for him, well at least he/them have one option now...

Its only for half a season - so if he fails, he's gone. That's good management...

Carts...

TFC115
07-06-2010, 09:17 AM
Look at him to play behind barrett. He has had the most success in the postion and have read some articles that coachs think he only works there.

ManUtd4ever
07-06-2010, 09:22 AM
No surprise with the Mista signing as it's been rumored for weeks. Hopefully he will rediscover his scoring touch in the MLS. I like the fact that his deal is only guaranteed until the end of the season as he should be motivated to earn a contract next season based on the level of his play...

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 09:22 AM
Goal.com's article on the signing:


Toronto FC's search for offensive firepower has led them to Spain, as the club announced the signing of forward Miguel Ángel Ferrer Martínez, better known as Mista. http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-league-soccer/2010/07/06/2012439/toronto-fc-signs-spanish-striker-mista

24th minute's take (includes highlight reel).

http://www.24thminute.com/2010/07/miguel-angel-ferrer-martinez-signs-with.html

ArmenJBX
07-06-2010, 09:28 AM
Mistaa!!! My boy from Valencia!! Definately buying this shirt!!

Darlofletch
07-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Good news. Hopefully he'll do well, and if he is the next coming of Laurent Robert then there's no kind of long term contract.

Hopefully preki's reluctance to play two up front was a symptom of not really liking the White/Barrett combo, and Mista/Barrett will give him more confidence to go with the more attacking line-up more often.

I'm a lot more comfortable with White as a back up than as a regular starter.

canadian_bhoy
07-06-2010, 09:39 AM
There's got to be a mista mista lady joke in here somewhere.

http://halloweenswimteam.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/3325_75121986993_75121246993_2278234_2256168_n.jpg

AL-MO
07-06-2010, 09:40 AM
There's got to be a mista mista lady joke in here somewhere.

http://halloweenswimteam.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/3325_75121986993_75121246993_2278234_2256168_n.jpg

LOL was waiting for someone to post this. I shoulda known it would have been you!

Looking forward to seeing him play.

brad
07-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Look at him to play behind barrett. He has had the most success in the postion and have read some articles that coachs think he only works there.

Maybe, maybe not - this is from DeGuzman (off TFC's site)

"“He is more of a number nine type striker, a man who will hold up the ball and get the team moving forward. That is pretty much what he did at Deportivo when I played with him. I know in his earlier career he played more as a number 10 at Valencia and also at Atletico Madrid, but lately he has been the guy that holds the ball up and makes the intelligent runs behind the defence. He also has a lethal left foot.”"

nfitz
07-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Not sure how a player who hasn't performed in 5-years has any benefit to us. That's an eternity!

manic.street.preacher
07-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Maybe, maybe not - this is from DeGuzman (off TFC's site)

"“He is more of a number nine type striker, a man who will hold up the ball and get the team moving forward. That is pretty much what he did at Deportivo when I played with him. I know in his earlier career he played more as a number 10 at Valencia and also at Atletico Madrid, but lately he has been the guy that holds the ball up and makes the intelligent runs behind the defence. He also has a lethal left foot.”"

^ http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/05/lukewilemanreports

Roogsy
07-06-2010, 09:46 AM
He has to be better than OBW.


This.


And Barrett.

billyfly
07-06-2010, 09:49 AM
When I hear Mista I always think "Mista Mo" from "buzz".

sully
07-06-2010, 09:50 AM
Actually, if Mista can hit the net a few times it may fuel Barrett to notch a few more!

Barrett's got to be feeling some pressure. It'll be interesting to see how he does on saturday.

Nodoubtguy
07-06-2010, 09:51 AM
When I hear Mista I always think "Mista Mo" from "buzz".

Fuck yeah!!! Mista Mo and Daryn!!! I loved the buzz!!!

billyfly
07-06-2010, 09:54 AM
Morgan (Mista Mo) is semi-retired now. Does motivational speaking for troubled youth.

Chewy Unikronik
07-06-2010, 09:59 AM
Anyone else wonder why he would go from Deportivo to TFC?

Does it really matter?

Roogsy
07-06-2010, 10:00 AM
It only took Mo 3+ seasons to find a DP striker.


:rolleyes:

gtaguy
07-06-2010, 10:12 AM
Im not convinced. 26 appearances and only 2 goals does not make him a proven goal scorer. I sincerely hope im wrong

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 10:25 AM
Im not convinced. 26 appearances and only 2 goals does not make him a proven goal scorer. I sincerely hope im wrong
His 40 goals with Valencia do. I think that TFC management and most fans are hoping that he can return to the form he had with Valencia. When your offense is as anemic as TFC's, you must take some chances. There are a myriad of reasons why a striker will have a drop off in performance. The good thing for us is that MLS is no La Liga. TFC now gets half a season to see if Mista can help us score some goals and resurrect his career. TFC relying only on Barrett, OBW and Ibrahim up front for the remainder of the season was not an option imho...

brad
07-06-2010, 10:28 AM
It only took Mo 3+ seasons to find a DP striker.

Duane @24thminute.com is reporting "It does not appear to be a DP signing"

TFC Via Buffalo
07-06-2010, 10:30 AM
There's got to be a mista mista lady joke in here somewhere.

http://halloweenswimteam.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/3325_75121986993_75121246993_2278234_2256168_n.jpg

I just posted in the other thread on the Toronto FC forum about this. I say a banner with some MLS player with an air conditioner pinning him down.

Super
07-06-2010, 10:42 AM
I somehow doubt he's our DP striker. Clubs in this league love to brag about signing DP's.

J .
07-06-2010, 10:53 AM
From my understanding, he's not a DP.

P-NUTZ
07-06-2010, 11:01 AM
all i know is hes better than most of the guys on the team - and in the mls for that matter. definately an opportunity for him to shine. Barret, JDG. Labrocca, Saric and Dero will definately enjoy him on the field.

I think we will see a little more ball control, and maybe even some swagger, with him added to the starting 11.

Good stuff.

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Lucky's "feeling" was bang on (or he'd already read Luke's tweet)..

Lol, I hadn't actually. But the fact that I wrote about it mere minutes before it was confirmed made me consider that people think I'd be cheating. :D

Lucky Strike
07-06-2010, 11:09 AM
Duane @24thminute.com is reporting "It does not appear to be a DP signing"

Might it not stand to reason that if it were a DP signing, they'd announce it in the press release?

ManUtd4ever
07-06-2010, 11:10 AM
I hope this signing will ignite JDG to consistently play to his potential as well. Now that he has a former club teammate on the starting roster, he should be able to develop greater chemistry with the forwards as both DeRo and Mista are very familiar with his style of play...

scooter
07-06-2010, 11:30 AM
this is great news i knew something was in the works
lets hope the man scores lots of goals for us
lets hope brandy comes too

in terms of staying once he is here hopefully he will be hooked

billyfly
07-06-2010, 11:30 AM
The question surrounding if he is a DP or not revolves around other info that financially if Mista was a DP, it would allow space to do "other" things.

Pachuco
07-06-2010, 11:31 AM
I think this one is a crapshoot. If he works out, then great but I'm not holding my breath. He hasn't performed in a while, so to think he's going to make an impact in half a season in the MLS is a little naive. Remember, this guy is only signed for the remainder of the year meaning he's a rent-a player for the rest of the season, also meaning he's supposed to come in and make an immediate impact, this ain't an investment in the future. I don't care how crap people think the MLS is, the fact of the matter is it hasn't proven easy to adjust to.

At the end of the day though it's a chance that I would definately take as a manager so good on Jimmy, Preki and Mo for getting this guy.

Shaughno
07-06-2010, 11:33 AM
You mean good on Jimme, Preki and Julian for getting this guy. ;)

I'm reserving judgement, but assuming he can link up with Julian... we may have a serviceable poacher on our hands.

Pachuco
07-06-2010, 11:35 AM
You mean good on Jimme, Preki and Julian for getting this guy. ;)

I'm reserving judgement, but assuming he can link up with Julian... we may have a serviceable poacher on our hands.

As much as nobody wants to admit it, at the end of the day, It's Mo that negotiates the contract with him. Therefore, he had some hand in the deal as well.

Shaughno
07-06-2010, 11:35 AM
As much as nobody wants to admit it, at the end of the day, It's Mo that negotiates the contract with him. Therefore, he had some hand in the deal as well.

From what I heard, Mo simply signed the papers. Everything else was out of his hands. Just sayin'.

Juanito
07-06-2010, 11:51 AM
That's it. I'm taking my Deportivo La Coruña kit to the next home match!!

Juan is happy. And the peasants rejoice!

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 11:55 AM
I think this one is a crapshoot. If he works out, then great but I'm not holding my breath. He hasn't performed in a while, so to think he's going to make an impact in half a season in the MLS is a little naive. Remember, this guy is only signed for the remainder of the year meaning he's a rent-a player for the rest of the season, also meaning he's supposed to come in and make an immediate impact, this ain't an investment in the future. I don't care how crap people think the MLS is, the fact of the matter is it hasn't proven easy to adjust to.

At the end of the day though it's a chance that I would definately take as a manager so good on Jimmy, Preki and Mo for getting this guy.
TFC needs someone who can score goals now. One goal in their last three league games, and all of those games at home to boot, isn't even close to good enough. Of course expectations will be that Mista will contribute right away. The scenario was the same for Cann, Hscanovics and Usanov. If Mista fails to perform, everyone will get on his case and try to chase him out of town regardless of the length of contract. Carlos Ruiz had plenty of MLS experience. There are no guarantees. TFC is still having problems scoring in their fourth season, and risks must be taken to address that glaring problem. Would you prefer management play out the rest of the season with Barrett, OBW and Ibrahim as our only options at forward? I think the comments already posted reflect an understanding of the bolded portion of your quote rather than people being naive. How many times do people have to repeat that they think it's a gamble worth taking?

Pachuco
07-06-2010, 12:02 PM
From what I heard, Mo simply signed the papers. Everything else was out of his hands. Just sayin'.

Sure but who's accountable for the Mista signing? Mo is first and then maybe Preki and Jimmy. At the end of the day it's Jimmy's job to find them, Preki's job to trial them and coach them and Mo's job to sign them and work with the cap. Therefore, it doesn't matter who did all the work on this one, at the end of the day Mo knows he's accountable, and he wouldn't be signing someone he doesn't agree with. Remember, he probably let Cronin go in order to make this signing. So he desevers as much credit or as much hatred if this signing doesn't work out.

I highly doubt that if Mista doesn't work out then fans will be calling for Preki's head. This would be just another reason to fire Mo.

Wooster_TFC
07-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Won't it be nice to have a striker who can actually shoot with his left foot? I can't count the number of times I cringed when one of our players had a solid, left footed, chance and tried to pull it back to their right before shooting.

J .
07-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Sure but who's accountable for the Mista signing? Mo is first and then maybe Preki and Jimmy. At the end of the day it's Jimmy's job to find them, Preki's job to trial them and coach them and Mo's job to sign them and work with the cap. Therefore, it doesn't matter who did all the work on this one, at the end of the day Mo knows he's accountable, and he wouldn't be signing someone he doesn't agree with. Remember, he probably let Cronin go in order to make this signing. So he desevers as much credit or as much hatred if this signing doesn't work out.

I highly doubt that if Mista doesn't work out then fans will be calling for Preki's head. This would be just another reason to fire Mo.

+1...

Pachuco
07-06-2010, 12:07 PM
TFC needs someone who can score goals now. One goal in their last three league games, and all of those games at home to boot, isn't even close to good enough. Of course expectations will be that Mista will contribute right away. The scenario was the same for Cann, Hscanovics and Usanov. If Mista fails to perform, everyone will get on his case and try to chase him out of town regardless of the length of contract. Carlos Ruiz had plenty of MLS experience. There are no guarantees. TFC is still having problems scoring in their fourth season, and risks must be taken to address that glaring problem. Would you prefer management play out the rest of the season with Barrett, OBW and Ibrahim as our only options at forward? I think the comments already posted reflect an understanding of the bolded portion of your quote rather than people being naive. How many times do people have to repeat that they think it's a gamble worth taking?

I was referring more to comments like "he played in La Liga, therefore, this is a great signing". I mean haven't we seen enough of these guys fail yet? I agree we should be cautiously optimistic. I'm not setting myself up the way I did with Ricketts and Robert. Leart that lesson already :)

Oblio2
07-06-2010, 12:10 PM
I was referring more to comments like "he played in La Liga, therefore, this is a great signing". I mean haven't we seen enough of these guys fail yet? I agree we should be cautiously optimistic. I'm not setting myself up the way I did with Ricketts and Robert. Leart that lesson already :)


Agreed.

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 12:10 PM
I highly doubt that if Mista doesn't work out then fans will be calling for Preki's head. This would be just another reason to fire Mo.
If Mista doesn't perform, and TFC still isn't scoring and winning games, then Preki's head could be on the chopping block. Player signings are the GM's responsibilities and performance on the field is the coach's responsibility. Preki is accountable for getting the most out of the players that are brought in. How long are you willing to wait for Preki to make TFC a contender on the field? Mo and Preki are in the same boat...

dupont
07-06-2010, 12:11 PM
I'm optimistic about this signing. Even if we don't know how he will pan out, it's still better than not bringing in a new striker to try out. Our biggest problem is scoring goals so I'm willing to give any new blood a chance to wake up the TFC offense.

P-NUTZ
07-06-2010, 12:11 PM
isn't this year theoretically mo's last call at the bar anyway. going for broke it appears...

why not.

ManUtd4ever
07-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Sure but who's accountable for the Mista signing? Mo is first and then maybe Preki and Jimmy. At the end of the day it's Jimmy's job to find them, Preki's job to trial them and coach them and Mo's job to sign them and work with the cap. Therefore, it doesn't matter who did all the work on this one, at the end of the day Mo knows he's accountable, and he wouldn't be signing someone he doesn't agree with. Remember, he probably let Cronin go in order to make this signing. So he desevers as much credit or as much hatred if this signing doesn't work out.

I highly doubt that if Mista doesn't work out then fans will be calling for Preki's head. This would be just another reason to fire Mo.

It's so true. Even though it was actually JDG who had a primary hand in recruiting Mista, you can be sure that Mo will be the fall guy if it doesn't work out. It comes with the territory as Director Of Soccer Operations.

Anyway, in a few weeks we will hopefully be debating who deserves the credit for reviving Mista's career in Toronto!

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 12:22 PM
I was referring more to comments like "he played in La Liga, therefore, this is a great signing". I mean haven't we seen enough of these guys fail yet? I agree we should be cautiously optimistic. I'm not setting myself up the way I did with Ricketts and Robert. Leart that lesson already :)
I hear what you are saying. MLS isn't a draw for top level talent, so risks must be taken. The pool of quality NA players who want to stay and play in NA isn't that deep. More and more teams are being added to MLS, so players have to be found from elsewhere in order to keep the skill level from slipping now. Quality coaches, managers and scouts have become essential. Big League clubs sign busts and waste money too (hello Luca Toni). For every Danny Dichio there is a Johann Smith and more. It doesn't mean that you stop looking or stop trying. It's part of the business. I certainly don't expect anyone to give Mo the benefit of the doubt...

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 12:36 PM
I'm reserving judgement, but assuming he can link up with Julian... we may have a serviceable poacher on our hands.

At least he will be able to read Julian's passes into open space, unlike 3/4 of our players.

As far as a poacher, the highlight real on the 24th minute shows him to be a very similar player to DD, minus the grit, but with higher technical skills.


Mo and Preki are in the same boat...

Agreed. If TFC fails to make the playoffs yet again, likely both of them will be shown the door.

I don't give Mo any credit for this signing, though, other than reading through the standard MLS contract, filling in the slots, and putting pen to paper.

dantdot
07-06-2010, 12:56 PM
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2058

Popeye appearance.

Pachuco
07-06-2010, 01:17 PM
At least he will be able to read Julian's passes into open space, unlike 3/4 of our players.

As far as a poacher, the highlight real on the 24th minute shows him to be a very similar player to DD, minus the grit, but with higher technical skills.



Agreed. If TFC fails to make the playoffs yet again, likely both of them will be shown the door.

I don't give Mo any credit for this signing, though, other than reading through the standard MLS contract, filling in the slots, and putting pen to paper.

So if you don't give Mo any credit, you are releaving Mo of any accountability when it comes to this signing as well right?. That doesn't make sense. He's the Director of Operations, if a signing doesn't work out, you can't possibly blame JDG or Jimmy for finding the guy, you blame the guy who signed him or the coach who doesn't know how to play him (which is typically much harder to prove).

To me, these are signs of a typical signing where a player refers another player, scout checks him out, coach trials him and wants him, GM signs him. If this is the way this worked out, then everyone did their job.

If Mo is actually listening to Preki and he's brining in players Preki wants then isn't he doing his job? would you propose he instead not listen to the coach and sign players the coach doesn't want to work with?

Roogsy
07-06-2010, 01:23 PM
Duane @24thminute.com is reporting "It does not appear to be a DP signing"

LOL!

Even worse.

It only took him 3+ years to find us a striker period!

TFC_Central
07-06-2010, 01:26 PM
he can't be worse than barrett......

Oldtimer
07-06-2010, 01:31 PM
So if you don't give Mo any credit, you are releaving Mo of any accountability when it comes to this signing as well right?.

Mo is ultimately responsible for the whole shebang, let's be clear of that. Also, if there's any success due to him bringing in Preki, he deserves that much credit.

The GM in most sports teams has much more responsibility than signing the papers, I think you've simplified it a bit too much. This signing doesn't seem to have much Mo-input in it, that's all.

T.O TILL I DIE
07-06-2010, 01:44 PM
how oldd is mista anyways?

Alarius
07-06-2010, 01:46 PM
meh.. we'll see when he starts playing..

rocker
07-06-2010, 02:20 PM
some stats:

Mista's career pro scoring rate is almost exactly the same as Danny Dichio's before Dichio joined TFC.
Actually, in his last 61 games at Atletico and Deportivo, he had 5 goals.
Danny had 5 goals in 63 games at Preston before joining MLS.
Danny was 32 when he joined MLS, Mista is 31.
Very similar numbers.

Inklink
07-06-2010, 02:28 PM
"Here's the Sierra MISTA Goal of the Week."

brad
07-06-2010, 02:57 PM
some stats:

Mista's career pro scoring rate is almost exactly the same as Danny Dichio's before Dichio joined TFC.
Actually, in his last 61 games at Atletico and Deportivo, he had 5 goals.
Danny had 5 goals in 63 games at Preston before joining MLS.
Danny was 32 when he joined MLS, Mista is 31.
Very similar numbers.

At very different levels of football, for what it's worth.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-06-2010, 03:36 PM
better comparison, as i mentioned earlier, was juan pablo angel, diff type of striker tho

rocker
07-06-2010, 03:53 PM
my comparison only serves to remind people that our God Dichio probably would have received similar criticism before joining MLS. People would probably have said "shit, Dichio only had 5 goals in 63 games with Preston, bah!" But we came to love him and he really made a difference in MLS.

This is MLS.... remember that.... if Jeff Cuntingham can score 17 goals in an MLS season, anything's possible! :)

C.Ronaldo
07-06-2010, 04:10 PM
the MLS sent edson buddle to the world cup

OneLoveOneEric
07-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Whenever I read his name, all I can think of is Happy Gilmore -- you know, "the meesta meesta lady. I think I killed her"
:)

TFCRegina
07-06-2010, 04:48 PM
Mista Boombastic Very fantastic!

jvanpeebles
07-06-2010, 04:53 PM
people keep talking about using the third dp spot but we still have the 2nd open.

TFCRegina
07-06-2010, 05:19 PM
people keep talking about using the third dp spot but we still have the 2nd open.

CBC reports that Mista is our 2nd DP. Sign De Ro to a DP contract, take his cap off the books and sign a quality player with the money you save...

Super
07-06-2010, 05:43 PM
I still find it strange that TFC is not calling him our second DP. Why wouldn't they want to boast such spending?

Waggy
07-06-2010, 05:44 PM
Mistah Mistah is too easy. I say we just go for Spaniard, a-la gladiator. We can use a banner of his horses, JDG and Dero. Those who get him the ball. "Are you not entertained?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!" "Spaniard! Spaniard! Spaniard!"

or we can stick with Mista Mista. If we do that, for chants, we can use Mista Fab! Ghost Ride It is an awesome track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJDLRCXR2ZM&feature=PlayList&p=05AB23B884BA1889&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=1

Or theres always a Mr Potato head banner too. Mista mista! Oh the directions we could go, oh the fun to be had to and fro. Ok I'm done. /bad puns. I'm not a writer I just talk a lot.

TFCRegina
07-06-2010, 05:46 PM
I still find it strange that TFC is not calling him our second DP. Why wouldn't they want to boast such spending?

Because the 3 million they are dropping a year on the other one hasn't exactly panned out in the way people expected.

I never really expected JDG to come in and score a lot, i expected him to be a huge linkage between the front and back. Mista adds someone who can finish up top, and hopefully our good distribution will lead to some goals for the man.

Shakes McQueen
07-06-2010, 05:57 PM
His pedigree suggests that he at least has good positional awareness, which should help him link up with de Guzman. I'd also like to see him playing up front with Barrett. Barrett makes good runs and can beat defenders, and perhaps having a reliable poacher to pass to might take some pressure off of him to shoot the ball.

Good on TFC management for getting this done, although we still need to make at least one more signing. And yes, I will give Mo some credit for this, even if he did just sign the contract and nothing else.

It'd be so nice to have a reliable, money in the bank striker up front for the first time in TFC's history. Barrett still has consistency problems, OBW definitely doesn't fit the mold, and Dichio wasn't a prolific scorer, either.

- Scott

Ladies Love Julius James
07-06-2010, 06:25 PM
I haven't viewed the thread. but I have asked my team source how much this guy is set to make.

Answer: "Pretty darn close to 100k/month."

shameless plug: www.juliusjames.blogspot.com (http://www.juliusjames.blogspot.com)

sully
07-06-2010, 06:43 PM
I haven't viewed the thread. but I have asked my team source how much this guy is set to make.

Answer: "Pretty darn close to 100k/month."

shameless plug: www.juliusjames.blogspot.com (http://www.juliusjames.blogspot.com)

So a salary of about $400,000

Ladies Love Julius James
07-06-2010, 06:45 PM
I guess so haven't done the math but you're on the right track.

ilikemusic
07-06-2010, 06:51 PM
Seems like a great signing.

Cashcleaner
07-06-2010, 06:54 PM
Hmmmm...

I think I like this deal. No mention has been made of using a DP slot on him. We don't have the details of his salary, but I think he makes a good addition to the team. I don't want to jump the gun or commit any sort of unforgivable heresy, but I'm getting some sort of strange "Dichio" vibe here.

This could be good. I'm feeling good about this.

greatwhitenorf
07-06-2010, 07:07 PM
Wonder if Mo's got a sultry-voiced cougar calling him up in the night and whispering 'Play Mista For Me.'

Y'know, like Clint Eastwood did.

I'll get me coat.

Kaz
07-06-2010, 07:39 PM
so
we are going to move to a 4-3-1-2 then right... with Mista as 2nd striker Barrett/OBW as striker, and Dero floating Mid..

where everyone can be their strongest...

_________Frei_________
________Back 4________
Labrocca___JDG__Gargan
_______Dero___________
___Mista___Barrett/OBW_

oh wait no.. Preki... so it's going to be Mista and Dero up front as lone players Barrett and OBW on the bench... and everyone covers Dero so he can't do anything and mista is left as a target man where is under performs giving JDG no one to feed to.. so that talent never looks better then hard work.

T_Mizz
07-06-2010, 07:54 PM
I have a feeling that your first idea will be right, I'm sure Preki's fed up with the ridiculous number of offsides from Dero.

SilverSamurai
07-06-2010, 07:55 PM
Hope this signing helps out. Maybe with Barrett being able to get by a lot of other players this Mista dude can be a poacher or something.
In any case, wow he's got a lot of names!

Stryker
07-06-2010, 08:26 PM
This is a great signing. Not only will Mista pot a few goals but he'll help out Barrett immensely. Mista will pass the ball because it offers them the best chance, whereas DeRo will only pass the ball if HE has NO chance. And even then he sometimes elects to try it himself.

Brooker
07-06-2010, 08:40 PM
So a number of people in here are saying Mo doesn't deserve any credit for getting Mista.

I'm not calling them liars but where are these people getting their info? Have Preki or Jim come out and said they are responsible for finding him, creating room, and signing him?

And if Mo doesn't deserve any credit for this, can we please keep that in my if Mista doesn't work out?

Mr. Bigby
07-06-2010, 08:43 PM
The Toronto Star is also reporting Mista's signing as the 2nd DP spot
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/torontofc/article/832527--toronto-fc-signs-veteran-spanish-forward

T0R0NT0 FC
07-06-2010, 08:55 PM
The Toronto Star is also reporting Mista's signing as the 2nd DP spot
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/torontofc/article/832527--toronto-fc-signs-veteran-spanish-forward

The article doesn't seem certain though, it seems like they are just stating facts. Yes a dp hit is that much and cut in half, but they don't actually say "he is signed as a dp but only this much counts towards the cap while MLSE will pick up the rest which is this much."

Who knows, but really, either way it doesn't really matter.

ArmenJBX
07-06-2010, 08:56 PM
-----------------------Frei--------------------------
Gargan-------Nana------------Cann-----------Harden
----------------------Saric--------------------------
-------------JDG--------------LaBrocca-------------
--DeRo----------------Mista------------Barrett------

BayernTFC
07-06-2010, 08:59 PM
The Toronto Star is also reporting Mista's signing as the 2nd DP spot
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/torontofc/article/832527--toronto-fc-signs-veteran-spanish-forward
This is from the Toronto Star article that Mr. Bigby provided:


Mista has spent a week training with Toronto (13-5-4)
Wow! That must have been some week!:eek:

Torontotonto
07-06-2010, 09:54 PM
Or they got him on a real bargain and may give DeRo a DP deal to free up some extra cash.

I like that one, if there's anyone on TFC roster that surely qualifies for DP money, my vote would be DeRo.

:drum::scarf::flare::scarf:

Klinsmann
07-06-2010, 10:19 PM
an interview with Mista just went up on TFC tv

http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2058

Brooker
07-06-2010, 11:49 PM
an interview with Mista just went up on TFC tv

http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=2058


a picture of Mista @ practice in Klinsmann's avatar! :P

flatpicker
07-06-2010, 11:56 PM
^ He's an avatar!!!

Shit just got real!

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
07-07-2010, 12:03 AM
Best years were in Valencia....hopefully he can find himself again here in TO!

E0InDvz3dVs

Super
07-07-2010, 12:10 AM
All I can say is that we need to remember that this is the MLS, and even though Mista's last 4+ years have been less than impressive, he may very well do incredibly well with us. I'm not too concerned. I think we should get behind him and give him a massive welcome to Toronto!

Keyman
07-07-2010, 12:12 AM
Michelle Lissel always has to make an appearance in some shape or form.

Brooker
07-07-2010, 12:28 AM
Michelle Lissel always has to make an appearance in some shape or form.

atleast she hasn't run onto the pitch lately. :facepalm:

boban
07-07-2010, 06:36 AM
Or they got him on a real bargain and may give DeRo a DP deal to free up some extra cash.
You're obsessed with giving DeRo DP money.
Give it up.

Kaz
07-07-2010, 06:47 AM
Keep in mind that for the last 4 years mista has been playing basically as a sub, (only 26 games in two years in a 38 a year league) and out of position. His best years were all as second strikers. Athletico was playing him as a main striker as was Deportivo. (from what we have all learned and read over the last few days)

If they stick him behind Barrett it could be interesting what he can do, if they play him like DD I don't have high hopes.

Technorgasm
07-07-2010, 07:38 AM
I see him as DAnny part 2, good at holding theball. and hopefully gets service good enough to bury chances on the one. . .

Left foot will give us an advantage if he links up well with Labrocca. . and Preki will feel even more confidence with a 4-4-2. . . or maybe we will want to destroy a team with a second half 4-3-3. .. heavens BEE! a 4-3-3 !!!

bgnewf
07-07-2010, 07:39 AM
So can anyone here confirm if Mista's contract is a DP one or not?

Canadian Press and the CBC says it is.... The actual TFC press release does not even mention it.

Oldtimer
07-07-2010, 07:44 AM
If they stick him behind Barrett it could be interesting what he can do, if they play him like DD I don't have high hopes.

Why? His play is very similar to DD. He's a natural goal-poacher.

Mikey
07-07-2010, 07:44 AM
I LOL'd @ the TFC propaganda blog trying to sell the guy as the new Danny Dichio....

Can't we just wait and see how he does on the field.

Oldtimer
07-07-2010, 07:55 AM
I see him as DAnny part 2, good at holding theball. and hopefully gets service good enough to bury chances on the one. . .

Left foot will give us an advantage if he links up well with Labrocca. . and Preki will feel even more confidence with a 4-4-2. . . or maybe we will want to destroy a team with a second half 4-3-3. .. heavens BEE! a 4-3-3 !!!

You could even see a 4-2-3-1

-----------------------Frei--------------------------
Gargan-------Nana------------Cann-----------Harden
-------------JDG----------------Saric---------------
-------DeRo----------Barrett------------LaBrocca----
------------------Mista------------------------------

advantages:

(1) plays JDG more centrally (I think he is stronger there)
(2) plays DeRo a bit back (he prefers it there)
(3) Barrett close enough to take advantage of his speed
(4) Labrocca can do damage on the wing, or more centrally, as the play requires
(5) Mista, who's a little slow by all accounts, up front where he can be a target-man and poach goals

disadvantages:

(1) puts more pressure on the defense during counter-attacks
(2) Stretches the distance between JDG and Mista, weakening potential linking opportunities

I suspect that Preki will tend to play a 4-4-2, though, with Barrett and Mista up front, though. It's more conservative defensively, plays DeRo in the mid, and keeps JDG and Mista closer.

ag futbol
07-07-2010, 08:09 AM
We don't have the speed on the outside to play like that, which is part of the reason everybody has been begging for a proper winger (or two) for the last 16 months or so now. 4-3-3 we'd be getting crushed on the counter attack like mad.

For TFC 4-2-3-1 will play A LOT like 4-5-1 since we don't have a lot of pace and the technical ability to spray the ball around is pretty limited. 4-4-2 is basic but it's honestly the best we can manage with this team right now. I know that traditionally puts a lot of umph on wing play as well, but it would probably allow us to move forward without losing our shape.

Technorgasm
07-07-2010, 08:13 AM
http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/z/zo/zouna_mista.gif

maninb
07-07-2010, 09:15 AM
Playing Dero on the wing is a complete WASTE! First of all he's best when central, and second he's offside 6-7 times a game if he plays at the front....4-4-2....all the way...

Wooster_TFC
07-07-2010, 12:18 PM
When Mista's in, I'd like to see this (4-3-1-2):

------------------Frei-------------------
Gargan---Attakora------Cann---Hscanovic
-----JDG---------Saric------Labrocca----
-----------DeRosario--------------------
----------------------Mista-------------
------------Barrett----------------------

But, if we did go with that formation, you'd likely see Garcia in for Hscanovic (UGH), and Sanyang in for Saric (no real complaints there) since Preki seems to like them both.

With the fact that Peterson is upping his game, and based on all reports we are trying to sign another winger, I'm guessing we'll end up sticking with a 4-4-2 and it will look something like this:

------------------Frei-------------------
Gargan---Attakora------Cann------Garcia
Peterson-----JDG----Labrocca---DeRosario
-----------Barrett-----Mista-------------

DichioTFC
07-07-2010, 12:21 PM
http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/z/zo/zouna_mista.gif

Would probably work best if we had a right side MF like Maicon or Dani Alves.

ginkster88
07-07-2010, 12:25 PM
Would probably work best if we had a right side MF like Maicon or Dani Alves.


It would be even stronger if we had a creative attacking MF like Kaka or Xavi.

Wooster_TFC
07-07-2010, 12:32 PM
It would be even stronger if we had a creative attacking MF like Kaka or Xavi.

And while we're at it, we might as well get a solid Centre Forward in Luis Fabiano.

bgnewf
07-07-2010, 04:03 PM
Mista Is Here….. Now What???

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/07/mista-is-here%e2%80%a6-now-what/ (http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2010/07/mista-is-here%e2%80%a6-now-what/)

My take on the Mista deal. Comments always welcome

______________________________________________

First off apologies for not posting in a few days and also apologies for not recording/posting my usual video blog after the Houston match. Frankly I have been sick as a dog and am still shovelling down the Buckley’s Mixture the way a rummy pounds back the hooch. Kind of hard to think about writing when you are dealing with phlegm in significant quantities. I did take some pretty decent video from the stands on Canada Day and I will put together a video that I will post later this evening showing you all how amazing it truly is in the south end of BMO Field….. But for now … back to business.

So the Spanish flag flying over the south stands last week actually meant something eh? Since the draw last week against Houston, TFC has of course gone out and done what the rumour mill said for weeks they would do, which was to sign Julian DeGuzman’s former teammate in Spain, Mista. He is eligible to play away against Philly on July 17th when the international transfer window re-opens after the World Cup. I do not profess to either know enough about him to pass judgement on if he will be the right signing to address what has been the single most glaring problem for the club over the past few games or not. Nor will I hazard a guess as to how well or not well he will do. Until we see him play in this context and in this league I think it is frankly a waste of everybody’s time to speculate.

As I have been commenting on in this space for months now, TFC is in a very tight logjam when it comes to the salary cap and allocation dollars. There are scant resources left in the kitty to upgrade the club on the field through signing of new players. With that in mind there are some puzzling aspects to the mechanics of how Mista’s contract has apparently been set up. Most pundits thought for sure in advance of his arrival that Mista would be signed to what is known as a “half season designated player” type of contract where only 167k of whatever his wages were would count against the salary cap. However it appears that Mista was not signed to a DP contract at all. MLS practice to this point (I checked) was to announce with some fanfare each and every time a designated player was signed to a contract. Nowhere in any of the releases from TFC did it mention that Mista was on a DP deal. The Canadian Press, The Toronto Sun and the CBC all stated that he IS on a DP deal when they reported the signing yesterday.

Of course getting concrete information from Toronto FC is often as difficult as getting it out of KGB Headquarters would be. When the opportunity presents itself to be clear, even then TFC often chooses to be vague and opaque. I have it on good authority that Mista is NOT on a DP deal but it would have been nice to hear it from the club and hopefully some scribe asks the questions soon enough this week and gets this cleared up, assuming Mo emerges from his bunker at the undisclosed location long enough to actually take some questions.

Why do I care you might ask? And why should TFC fans be concerned with this contractual stuff? Well first off, until we know exactly how much this guy is making (which will take a month or so for the League/Players Union to release the actual data) I think it is fair to assume that based on his pedigree from La Liga, Mista is probably making more than 167k for the remaining twenty odd Games TFC may have to play this season in MLS and in (hopefully) the Champions League. Every single penny he gets counts against the cap. Going this route in my eyes means that yet even more precious cap/allocation space is gone that could be used to bring in yet more talent to address other areas that need to be upgraded (wing and fullback positions for example). Signing him to the DP deal would have allowed Toronto to have some additional thousands in hand that could have been spent elsewhere. In a cap league where the median salary is just a little over 100k (and with guys making as little as 40k on the bottom end) every dollar in hand counts. If the arrangement is to give Mista a small deal now that is less cash then a DP hit on the provision that if he proves himself he gets a bigger deal next season, then I say great. But based on past history I do not think TFC’s brain trust are that swift.

Prove me wrong Mo! Prove me wrong.

In time we will all be able to judge if this move was the right one. Today the jury is still out. Club officials are spinning Mista as a “Dichio” type player with the ability to both finish and hold the ball up in similar fashion to TFC’s first true hero. Whether that perspective is corporate propaganda or not remains to be seen. Whether signing him to a non DP deal works out to be the right move or not will I guess remain to be seen as well.

ginkster88
07-07-2010, 04:06 PM
I thought you were going to stop posting full blog entries in the forum...

maninb
07-07-2010, 04:33 PM
bgnewf....We need GOALS more than anything else....not another midfielder or defender...Bravo to bringing this guy in....

bgnewf
07-07-2010, 05:54 PM
bgnewf....We need GOALS more than anything else....not another midfielder or defender...Bravo to bringing this guy in....

As I said in my post I am not in a position to question the merits of this guy as a player, and I never intended to. He has never played here, the talent level in the league and on the club is different. He speaks a different language... Lots of differences. Could be a great move, could be a horrible one..... we will have to wait and see.

I think that the contract is a huge issue. If he is not signed to a DP deal and is getting more than the half season DP contract would entitle him to then I think TFC needs to explain the logic. If he is making less than Dp money then Mo needs to take a freaking bow. Either way we do not know for sure as getting information out of TFC is like getting blood from a bloody stone.

Broadview
07-07-2010, 06:03 PM
Could it be a big non-dp contract with heaps off allocation? You would think that if it were an actual DP contract there would have been more fanfare. Unless the club is sort of trying to fly the deal under the radar to avoid scrutiny. But that's not in keeping with the spirit of the league's rule. Designated players should come with at least a little bit of hype, right?

Oh well, I'm excited to see the guy play anyway.

Davenport
07-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Johnston has signed up another goal machine for ridiculous money.

He's 31 and has scored 5 goals in the last 4 seasons.......

Blizzard
07-07-2010, 06:38 PM
Johnston has signed up another goal machine for ridiculous money.

He's 31 and has scored 5 goals in the last 4 seasons.......

1. None of us know how much money Mista is being paid.
2. None of us know how well he is going to play here.

This is MLS, not La Liga.

T0R0NT0 FC
07-07-2010, 06:44 PM
1. None of us know how much money Mista is being paid.
2. None of us know how well he is going to play here.

This is MLS, not La Liga.


Here! Here! Give the man a few games already! :scarf:

bgnewf
07-07-2010, 07:07 PM
Here! Here! Give the man a few games already! :scarf:

Agree fully. He is here now and he is on a MLS approved deal. Whether it is a good deal or not now is one thing. But he IS wearing TFC red.

The badge is bigger than any player. he is ours and I intend to support him.

Kaz
07-07-2010, 07:30 PM
.... Either way we do not know for sure as getting information out of TFC is like getting blood from a bloody stone.


Isn't getting info out of TFC difficult? I would think your example of Blood from a Bloody Stone would mean it's easy because getting Blood out of a bloody stone would be fairly easy... I mean it's bloody... :P

just too good to pass up.

Kaz
07-07-2010, 07:34 PM
Why? His play is very similar to DD. He's a natural goal-poacher.
? he played as a second striker until 2006 and when started being played as a DD target guy and he ended up warming a Spanish bench because his strike rate dropped drastically.

At least that is how I have read his career bio's and interviews.. I may have misunderstood.. I'm no expert.. but he seems to have been played out of position for the last 4 years or so, and he hasn't done well.

Zeke_Jones
07-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Who cares what he has done in the past seasons with whatever club in whatever league.
Its a new start and we should let him earn our praise and respect through hard work and results on the pitch.

Im pretty sure he would rather be a somebody in the MLS than a nobody in La Liga.

Cashcleaner
07-07-2010, 08:03 PM
? he played as a second striker until 2006 and when started being played as a DD target guy and he ended up warming a Spanish bench because his strike rate dropped drastically.

At least that is how I have read his career bio's and interviews.. I may have misunderstood.. I'm no expert.. but he seems to have been played out of position for the last 4 years or so, and he hasn't done well.

Just read up on that myself. Who knows what could happen if we play him in his natural position? On one hand he's been giving plenty of playing minutes - on the other hand, injuries have definitely taken their toll the last few years. If he stays healthy, I think his contributions could be very positive.

Stryker
07-07-2010, 08:40 PM
Nice that we have Mista in time for CCL match at months end.

TFC USA
07-07-2010, 10:37 PM
If he stays healthy then I guess it's okay.

His goals-to-games ratio doesn't impress me all that much.

prizby
07-07-2010, 10:55 PM
what a crack of shit

5 goals in the past 4 years...real step in the right direction in solving our goal scoring probs

Stryker
07-07-2010, 11:31 PM
Think I'll bookmark this page for after the Philly game when he scores and assists Barrett on another.

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 07:54 AM
Mista confirmed as a DP:


Miguel Angel Ferrer Martinez, known as Mista, has been confirmed as Toronto FC’s second Designated Player, joining Julian de Guzman.
The signing was confirmed earlier this week but some extra information has come to hand with Mista, despite being installed as a DP, only taking up half the total sum a normal DP would incur.


http://www.tribalfootball.com/mista-confirmed-toronto-fc%E2%80%99s-second-designated-player-958691

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 08:18 AM
Mista confirmed as a DP:



http://www.tribalfootball.com/mista-confirmed-toronto-fc%E2%80%99s-second-designated-player-958691

With due respct to the source, I will wait for the club to state that this is the case.

Alarius
07-08-2010, 08:49 AM
Save your criticisms for after he's played at least 5-6 games. Its close to impossible to predict how an individual player will adapt to a different playing style, different team mates, and different atmosphere. If Mista retains his core skill sets that he thrived with back in Valencia, he may be a hit. But you'll never know until he hits the pitch first. I, for one, am at least happy there are changes being made to our frontline, as I don't expect to win a championship let alone get into the playoffs with our current setup.

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 09:11 AM
With due respct to the source, I will wait for the club to state that this is the case.

The Globe also shows him as a DP:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-signs-miguel-angel-ferrer-martinez/article1630794/

Will you only take it from the club's website, or will the figures from the MLSPU do?

Broadview
07-08-2010, 09:17 AM
The union doesn't know what he makes yet.

I'm holding out hope it's not DP bucks.

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 09:29 AM
The Globe also shows him as a DP:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-signs-miguel-angel-ferrer-martinez/article1630794/

Will you only take it from the club's website, or will the figures from the MLSPU do?

Neither the club or the MLSPU has confirmed nor denied he is a DP.

This is just about then the first time in the history of Major League Soccer that they have passed up an opportunity to announce a designated player signing.

Why the club would not clarify that Mista is on a DP deal or not is a mystery to me. Mo must not be getting too much air in the bunker at the undisclosed location I guess.

billyfly
07-08-2010, 09:37 AM
bgnewf, Mista is getting DP $$$ and is a DP as per sources.

I understand there is nothing official from the FO but I am confident this is the case.

tfcleeds
07-08-2010, 09:42 AM
So typical of so many people on here to dump on a guy before he even plays a game for us. Yes, I realize his strike rate hasn't been impressive the last few seasons, and I'm not expecting him to be a goal machine. But as long as he puts away a few chances that others haven't done over the last few games, isn't that all that matters? We need extra depth in attack, and he will provide it.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-08-2010, 09:43 AM
The union doesn't know what he makes yet.

I'm holding out hope it's not DP bucks.

Why? Who cares?
Id put good money down hes not going to accept something ridiculous like 100K or whatever

Broadview
07-08-2010, 09:50 AM
Why? Who cares?
Id put good money down hes not going to accept something ridiculous like 100K or whatever

If this is the best we can do, great. I hope he gets piles of goals this season. We'll make the playoffs, take a run at the cup and have a great time along the way.

But I was sort of hoping our next DP was going to be the kind of guy I'd heard of before.

mastermixer
07-08-2010, 09:56 AM
So typical of so many people on here to dump on a guy before he even plays a game for us. Yes, I realize his strike rate hasn't been impressive the last few seasons, and I'm not expecting him to be a goal machine. But as long as he puts away a few chances that others haven't done over the last few games, isn't that all that matters? We need extra depth in attack, and he will provide it.

Agreed... Even though we havent had many goals lately, we havent allowed many either. If he can finish half the chances Barret had that may give us the few extra wins we need to get to the playoffs.

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 10:00 AM
...But I was sort of hoping our next DP was going to be the kind of guy I'd heard of before.

Why?

With all due respect, I fail to understand the fascination with "brand names" when it comes to designated players? If TFC is able to use the "half season DP" rule to being in a player that can fill a need that the team can't fill under the cap then what is the problem with that?

A DP does not need to be a Beckham or a Henry to be successful.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-08-2010, 10:04 AM
If this is the best we can do, great. I hope he gets piles of goals this season. We'll make the playoffs, take a run at the cup and have a great time along the way.

But I was sort of hoping our next DP was going to be the kind of guy I'd heard of before.

i dont want to be rude or demeaning although Mista isnt Thierry Henry, he is a name known amongst fans of La Liga and arguably the sport in general

Ossington Mental Youth
07-08-2010, 10:05 AM
also this


A DP does not need to be a Beckham or a Henry to be successful.

i just want someone that can contribute positively on a greater scale on a regular basis

Kaz
07-08-2010, 10:11 AM
The Globe also shows him as a DP:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-signs-miguel-angel-ferrer-martinez/article1630794/

Will you only take it from the club's website, or will the figures from the MLSPU do?

There are no figures from the MLSPU in that article about Mista salary, in fact is says they don't have those numbers.
He very well may be a DP and the fact that many articles include Quotes from Mo, would suggest he is. There hasn't been any official word.

And when it comes to the press I really don't trust their fact finding skills lately. As an example, the Globe could have seen other reports of guessing he's a DP and used the Mo quotes from a presser they were given from the club, and then used basic numbers they were given after contacting the MLSPU who have not received his numbers and can't confirm his status, and maintained the assumption and then printed it as fact.

During the G20 I saw several News Organizations talking about Tear gas being used two days straight... because some reporter saw a muzzle blast round used, and decided it was tear gas... even though police were wearing no gear, walking through the quickly dissipating smoke.

Again it's very likely, particularly as the club has said nothing to deny it, but I'd still like to see something from an official verifiable source.

Broadview
07-08-2010, 10:16 AM
Why?

With all due respect, I fail to understand the fascination with "brand names" when it comes to designated players? If TFC is able to use the "half season DP" rule to being in a player that can fill a need that the team can't fill under the cap then what is the problem with that?

A DP does not need to be a Beckham or a Henry to be successful.

I'll argue that a "brand name" DP would go a long way toward growing the "brand" of TFC. Grow the club, grow the sport. Television ratings seem to be pretty stagnant and underwhelming when you compare them to all our other local pro teams.

And I never said I had a problem with signing a goal scorer!

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 10:32 AM
I'll argue that a "brand name" DP would go a long way toward growing the "brand" of TFC. Grow the club, grow the sport. Television ratings seem to be pretty stagnant and underwhelming when you compare them to all our other local pro teams.

And I never said I had a problem with signing a goal scorer!

I see your point and think it definitely has merit in and of itself. A "brand name" would go a ways towards improving the visibility the team has in the community.

Hopefully, however, I hope that you are at least open to the other approach of using a DP contract to fill a short term hole.

jaxul
07-08-2010, 10:39 AM
I can't wait to see how this guy plays. He has tons of experience having played in a top tier league as well as having won trophies. Outside of DeRo (and maybe JDG?) do we have anyone that has won any type of competition in their career? I think his experience will be his greatest asset and if he is fit he should do well against the very average MLS defensive lines.

Redcoe15
07-08-2010, 10:42 AM
I can't help think of Mo signing Mista without thinking about Mista Mo, the black dude opposite of Daryn Jones on the Comedy Network series, Buzz.

http://www.mistamo.com/gallery/pics/daryn%20and%20mo.jpg

Broadview
07-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Hopefully, however, I hope that you are at least open to the other approach of using a DP contract to fill a short term hole.

For sure, I'm excited to see how this works out. If it was Mista or nothing, I'll for sure take Mista. If it helps the guys win, that's also a nice way to build the brand.

P-NUTZ
07-08-2010, 02:21 PM
lets be realistic in that we have a few spots on the starting 11 that could be replaced by someone half decent and experienced like mista.

im glad we have SOMETHING! roster still thin on strong starters. he will help.

billyfly
07-08-2010, 02:22 PM
I can't help think of Mo signing Mista without thinking about Mista Mo, the black dude opposite of Daryn Jones on the Comedy Network series, Buzz.

http://www.mistamo.com/gallery/pics/daryn%20and%20mo.jpg


I beat you to this joke pages ago.

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 09:19 PM
Yet another source stating that Mista is a DP:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/417423-law-of-one-spaniard-in-mls-at-a-time-miguel-angel-mista-to-toronto-fc

Kaz
07-08-2010, 09:22 PM
Yet another source stating that Mista is a DP:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/417423-law-of-one-spaniard-in-mls-at-a-time-miguel-angel-mista-to-toronto-fc

No that is actual another unsourced Blog stating something that may just be a restating of inaccurate information from a new agency that may not have bothered to fact check their story.

A source would be TFC, MLS, or MLSPU stating this, so far they haven't.

billyfly
07-08-2010, 09:44 PM
Mista is our DP. Do people not read my posts??

bgnewf
07-09-2010, 01:16 PM
The mystery continues over the terms of this contract. On the TFC pre game live chat on their website I asked the following question to TFC's Luke Wileman. If you can believe it, even he does not apparently know what type of contract Mista is on. The only tidbit he did let out is that the contract is only until the end of this season.


Tim: There has been much speculation about the contract Mista has signed. Some reports in the media state he is on a DP deal, while the club and MLS have not confirmed nor denied he is TFC's second DP. Can you guys please set the record straight? is Mista a DP or not???

Luke Wileman: The club has not said he is a DP so anything else seems to be just speculation. …We do know he (Mista) is only under contract until the end of the season, so it's up to him to prove he is worth a longer deal …I don't know definitively either way (about his DP status) Tim. I've heard the same speculation as you.

DangerRed
07-09-2010, 01:29 PM
The mystery continues over the terms of this contract. On the TFC pre game live chat on their website I asked the following question to TFC's Luke Wileman. If you can believe it, even he does not apparently know what type of contract Mista is on. The only tidbit he did let out is that the contract is only until the end of this season.

That "tidbit" is in the press release, so nothing new here. It's too bad we can't get the DP component confirmed from an official source.

Smokecell
07-09-2010, 01:32 PM
The MLS blog guys (Greg Lalas, Simon Borg etc) had a vodcast debate on DPs where they said Mista was in fact a DP....I would imagine that's fact as they represent the MLS.

billyfly
07-09-2010, 01:39 PM
Mista makes DP money. He is our DP.

bgnewf
07-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Mista makes DP money. He is our DP.

source??? confirmation from the league or club??

a couple of stories in the paper does not a confirmation make.

Azerban
07-09-2010, 02:07 PM
does anyone know if mista is our dp? thanks

Yeoman
07-09-2010, 02:08 PM
i could have sworn i seen that on the TFC facebook page
or was it goal.com i saw that?

Azerban
07-09-2010, 02:12 PM
i see what you're doing

Yeoman
07-09-2010, 02:14 PM
i tried
i'm not going for it now
but give it time
i know when i can strike again!
but hey, at least my posts were relevant somewhat to being discussed
but no seriously; i could have sworn i seen this somewhere else

bgnewf
07-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Luke Wileman, who works directly for TFC, when directly asked on the club's official website, either would not or could not confirm if Mista is on a DP deal or not.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-09-2010, 02:59 PM
who really cares?
why does it matter outside of curiousity of where our current salary capabilities are?

ginkster88
07-09-2010, 03:12 PM
lol@3+ pages of "is he a DP????"

woolly
07-09-2010, 03:16 PM
My guess is that Mista is being paid greater than the DP cap, so since we've only signed him for the balance of the year they made him a DP to reduce the cap hit.

bigtfcfan
07-09-2010, 03:21 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=112&id=6637

according to them he is our second dp

BeerBaron95
07-09-2010, 03:25 PM
I trust what billyfly says.... case closed

wzhxvy
07-09-2010, 03:35 PM
I am still not clear...so he is a DP or not ?

billyfly
07-09-2010, 06:00 PM
I am still not clear...so he is a DP or not ?

Yes.

billyfly
07-09-2010, 06:00 PM
My guess is that Mista is being paid greater than the DP cap, so since we've only signed him for the balance of the year they made him a DP to reduce the cap hit.

Ta-da!