The Reds Are The Champions - Vancouver at Toronto- pre+match thread

[Red CB Toronto]

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Vancouver Shitecaps at Toronto "We Are The Champions" FC

Wednesday June 2, 2010 at - 8 PM:scarf:

Television: Sportsnet Radio: Fan 590

It is going to be very interesting on this night, knowing the Voyagers Cup is waiting in the wings for the Reds once the clock strikes "90".

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With everything sewn up for the Reds I am sure we are all expecting and very much want most of the first teamers to have a night off and enjoy their overall victory. I am sure DeRo, JDG, Frei and company will enjoy it for all its worth knowing they have KC on Saturday to wrap everything up before the World Cup break.

As Paul Beirne revealed last week we are expecting a selection of kinds
from the Academy to be brought up for this game, which from my view will make this game worth watching, it will be interesting to see who from the CSL side will be deemed worth of such an honour, but that will be up to the coaches to decide. I guess it will also depend on how the CSA reacts to this idea and then getting an idea from the NCAA on if this would effect the kids abilities to go down south in the future.

If the use of Academy kids is allowed the lineup could look a little something like this, with a few more on the bench.

-------------Conway-------------
Gargan--Henry*--Garcia-Hscanovics
Peterson--Nane--Sanyang----Gala
--------Ibrahim----Matheson*------

* TFC-A
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[DichioTFC]

It'll be nice to get a few minutes for Harden as well.

I'm wondering what people anticipate the result will be.. I'm actually thinking 1-2 Whitecaps

[twistedchinaman]

Yes, Harden should get a run out, ditto for Ibby...I'm saying it'll be a 1-1 draw.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

I'm excited to see the academy players. I think Matheson, Henry, and Morgan would fit in well. I think maybe they should go with Kocic in goal. I'm hoping we get some details on the TFC websites about the specifics that are allowing the academy players to play, in regards to NCAA eligibility, etc.

Not sure that I would start Matheson and Ibby. I'd try to go some experience in forward line, maybe Barrett and Matheson.

[twistedchinaman]

I'm excited to see the academy players. I think Matheson, Henry, and Morgan would fit in well. I think maybe they should go with Kocic in goal. I'm hoping we get some details on the TFC websites about the specifics that are allowing the academy players to play, in regards to NCAA eligibility, etc.

Not sure that I would start Matheson and Ibby. I'd try to go some experience in forward line, maybe Barrett and Matheson.

Reckon they'll probably rest Barrett...he may get half a game if even that.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

^ Maybe. He did look a little out of gas at time in San Jose. I just think Ibby and a academy player would be a poor pairing. I'm excited to see the academy players play with the big team, but I'm still hoping for a competitive and well played game.

I wonder what kind of lineup the Whitecaps will field. I'm guessing a number of their residency players will see the field too.

[twistedchinaman]

He's played how many full games...I think 3 now? I think subbing him off for Cronin after about 60' in SJ was a precautionary measure.

[VoxPopuliCosmicum]

If Saric is out for the KC game (accumulated yellows), then I would expect to see him play instead of Sanyang.

[Nuvinho]

==============Conway/Kocic================
Usanov=====Garcia/youthteam====Harden======RH
===============Saric=====================
youthteam==============================Gala
=================youthteam================
============ibby=======youthteam==========

[London]

:scarf:Shirts Off for 90 mins WED to celebrate the title:scarf:

[Nuvinho]

from Paul B:


adding 7 names to TFC roster for NCC: Stinson, Henry, Matheson, Lindsay, McNicoll, Cordon, Camargo

[mlsintoronto]

from Paul B:

I always had a thing for Lindsay McNicoll. :o

[Red CB Toronto]

I always had a thing for Lindsay McNicoll. :o

So Paul is their a limit to the size of the overall roster and also does this mean the seven academy players will be on the 18 man roster?

[Darlofletch]

It would be an awesome burn to go to all the trouble of adding them to the roster, get their hopes up, and then just not play them, not even on the subs bench.:D

make it happen Paul.

[mlsintoronto]

So Paul is their a limit to the size of the overall roster and also does this mean the seven academy players will be on the 18 man roster?

Game roster is 18 men. Not necessarily all 7 names will be on the 18 on the day.

[Red CB Toronto]

Who is Camargo, he is not listed on the academy roster on the website, good to see Stinson and Henry getting a look, two recent callups to the national U20 team. Should be a fun night all around, a glimpse of the future and the celebration of the present when the trophy is presented post-game.

[Whoop]

Sergio Camargo.

[Lucky Strike]

I'm wondering what shirt numbers will be issued to the Academy players. If I were manager, I'd issue numbers all in the 50s (or 40s or 60s or whatever). Because they can't wear shirt numbers that other players on the senior team already have and that way, a number in the 50s is kind of like a provisional badge/probationary status and a reminder to continue working hard because they haven't made it to the big club yet. They have to "earn" a "real" number.

[Red CB Toronto]

Sergio Camargo.

Man he is young, turns 16 in August, on the bright side he has been named to Canada's U17 national team.

[Super]

Would this be a similar squad to the one we will field against Bolton? Whatcha think?

[Darlofletch]

Hopefully, with the champs league game the week after, that friendly looks awful, all unnecessarily shoehorned in there where there isn't really room.

[canadian_bhoy]

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[Super]

Hopefully, with the champs league game the week after, that friendly looks awful, all unnecessarily shoehorned in there where there isn't really room.

Should be interesting to see what is valued more by the club: a friendly against Bolton, or a meaningless Canada Cup game.

[canadian_bhoy]

What do you all think of the "in stands" trophy presentation?

I know in the UK they do it because the "royals" are up there and present the trophy with the directors etc.

But what about a presentation in the south stands at BMO?

I think the accessability seats in the middle either at the front of 115 or at the back in the accessability seats of 115 would look awesome.

thoughts?

[Yeoman]

maybe i missed it, but stinson is one of their better players
and he did not play on friday.
so maybe they saved em, knowing he'd go up?
he's a mid fielder

[Red CB Toronto]

maybe i missed it, but stinson is one of their better players
and he did not play on friday.
so maybe they saved em, knowing he'd go up?
he's a mid fielder


Yes, Stinson is the TFC-A's captain, and a recent callup to Canada's U-20 national team, I would not be surprised by him being rested when you consider the little Reds also have a CSL league game on Sunday night against the Shooters.

[ag futbol]

So can academy players train with the sr roster at will now, or does MLS still have some silly restrictions in place?

[TFC07]

Some one has a scouting report on these kids?

[Auzzy]

See more here: "The Kids Are Alright For Wednesday"
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/05/lukewilemanreports

Short bios for the players are there. These guys are only named to the provisional roster so far. Preki will decide on Wednesday which of these players will be included on the matchday roster. Perhaps partly based on their performance in training with the big boys?

[Yeoman]

he'll get called up and put in around the 60th
mark my words

[T_Mizz]

Is there going to be some way for me to watch this game after the fact, unfortunately I won't be able to watch live, any torrents going to be made? he asked hopefully

[Yeoman]

if you get goltv, it'll be on the day after

[T_Mizz]

if you get goltv, it'll be on the day after
Damn I don't, anyone have any other suggestions?

[colman1860]

It would be legen...DARY if Stinson got called up ;)

[FreeAgent]

Is there going to be some way for me to watch this game after the fact, unfortunately I won't be able to watch live, any torrents going to be made? he asked hopefully

Have the same problem. Would be eternally grateful if someone capped the game.

[Oldtimer]

See more here: "The Kids Are Alright For Wednesday"
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/05/lukewilemanreports

Short bios for the players are there. These guys are only named to the provisional roster so far. Preki will decide on Wednesday which of these players will be included on the matchday roster. Perhaps partly based on their performance in training with the big boys?

Knowing Preki, he will be looking for hard work, and being willing to put the team first.

[T_Mizz]

It would be legen...DARY if Stinson got called up ;):lol:

[Lucky Strike]

I noticed with the short bios article (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/06/meet-select-seven) that was mentioned earlier, it seems like the kids will be getting "real numbers" and not all in the 40s or 50s to indicate their academy status.

[Super Cereal]

I noticed with the short bios article (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/06/meet-select-seven) that was mentioned earlier, it seems like the kids will be getting "real numbers" and not all in the 40s or 50s to indicate their academy status.
I really don't see the difference at all. Either way, they're just using numbers that aren't being worn by Toronto FC players. 45 and 55 are just as much a number as 36...

[stugautz]

How many empty seats will we see on Wednesday? I can't see more than 14,000 showing up based on the amount of tickets available.

[T_Mizz]

Those bios got me really pumped about this game, I hope at least one of these kids shows enough that Preki says I want that kid on the team.

[Cas87]

It would be legen...DARY if Stinson got called up ;)

Hell Yeah! if he does and posibly gets a goal that should be the cheer Legen (wait for it) DARY

[maninb]

How many empty seats will we see on Wednesday? I can't see more than 14,000 showing up based on the amount of tickets available.

If it's a nice evening I think you'll see 17-18K....I'm actually looking forward to seeing some fresh faces and enjoying a night out...the team can play relaxed football and you might see a bunch of goals...kinda like the TFC vs Villa game from 2008...one of the best & most enjoyable games of football I've seen at BMO field...

[VoxPopuliCosmicum]

I was just having breakfast at the same place as Vancouver. I asked Thordarson if he thought his team could beat our U16 side tomorrow night. He smiled and said, "We'll see." Then he said, "You have a great atmosphere at the stadium." I told him not to take anything we might say tomorrow night as a personal insult, even if it was a personal insult.

[nfitz]

If it's a nice evening I think you'll see 17-18K....LOL, you haven't seen the forecast have you!

Well, Weather Network has reduced it from 20 mm of rain to only 1-3 mm ... but many people seem to run like witches at only the chance of a shower.

[Super]

LOL Wednesday evening rain. Saturday rain. WTF is it with TFC and rain?

[Oldtimer]

LOL Wednesday evening rain. Saturday rain. WTF is it with TFC and rain?

It's all a plan to encourage MLSE to spring for a roof!

[SmokedPanda]

how much is a beer at BMO?

[Cas87]

^ about $9 to $13 if I remember correctly (3 sizes)

[Lucky Strike]

I really don't see the difference at all. Either way, they're just using numbers that aren't being worn by Toronto FC players. 45 and 55 are just as much a number as 36...

The point was that though they're with the first team, they haven't made it yet and a special range of non-traditional footballing numbers assigned to them would be a reminder to keep working hard. It's like how there was (or still is?) two different locker rooms, one for the first team squad and one for the reserves. Gives an incentive.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

There's interviews with Matheson and Stinson in TFC TV in addition to the profiles.

[squarehead]

I stepped out of my condo a couple of hours ago... and what do I see? A guy loading a cup into his car... When I made a comment about it being a decent looking trophy, I was informed that it was The Cup! Only now I've come to realize that I should have gotten a pic of me with it a day before the boys get to lift it up!

[ecospice]

^ about $9 to $13 if I remember correctly (3 sizes)

Dunno about the small and medium, but the large is just under $14. A large lasts almost a half and then the beer guy walking in the stands will sell a can of Carlsberg to you if you need it to get through to the end of added time.

The real trick is getting to the pisser AND getting through the beer line again before the second half starts - at the start of the second half you can only buy medium and small beers. :(

[Red CB Toronto]

I find it funny when in the email blast TFC just out they mentioned this could be the first time someone from the Academy could play with the big club for the first tim, one, which is not correct, one player suited up for TFC-A before making his MLS debut, who is he you ask?

Amadou Sanyang

http://view.mlsefanmail.com/?j=fe6615757363007d7516&m=fed316717160047c&ls=fde612757c66077b7612787c&l=fe9216747066037970&s=fe5b1379746607787612&jb=ffcf14&ju=fe201577726c0d7f731073&r=0

[T_Mizz]

Really depends on the way you look at it. He was never signed to be a member of the academy, he was signed to be on the first team but was unable to join them until his 18th birthday, plus if I'm not mistaken he never played with the first team during his tenure with the academy. This is new in the fact that these kids are academy players with no deals in place for the forseeable future.

[Broadview]

So does this game make these guys ineligible for NCAA scholarships? Does playing in the CSL already do that?

[T_Mizz]

^They changed that rule this year I believe.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

^ That's what's interesting about this game. I'm sure that the rule doesn't change until August. Playing in the CSL doesn't effect NCAA eligibility sense the whole team is amateur.

[Cas87]

Dunno about the small and medium, but the large is just under $14. A large lasts almost a half and then the beer guy walking in the stands will sell a can of Carlsberg to you if you need it to get through to the end of added time.

The real trick is getting to the pisser AND getting through the beer line again before the second half starts - at the start of the second half you can only buy medium and small beers. :(

Here is a hint, use the sides of the stadium, stay away from the south end.
Plus I think the food building is now open for pissers as well because of the new stand

[Macksam]

It would be an awesome burn to go to all the trouble of adding them to the roster, get their hopes up, and then just not play them, not even on the subs bench.:D

make it happen Paul.
Why?

[jaxul]

does anyone know if the White Craps are fielding their regulars?

[Super]

does anyone know if the White Craps are fielding their regulars?

Why on earth would they? This game is completely meaningless. Sure, there is pride, but, well, not really. It's a small tournament with very little media attention. I predict B-squads for both sides with the best moment being the lifting of the trophy for us. The end. Moving on to Champions League qualifying game.

[DichioTFC]

^ From what I read elsewhere, they'll be putting out their strongest possible squad to make a "statement" (Craps coach trying to protect his job)

[Brooker]

^ From what I read elsewhere, they'll be putting out their strongest possible squad to make a "statement" (Craps coach trying to protect his job)

hah! really? That sounds like even more of a reason to fire him. They have 4 games in 10 days.

[DichioTFC]

hah! really? That sounds like even more of a reason to fire him. They have 4 games in 10 days.
:lol::facepalm:

oh man, Tittier or whatever is going to get fired!

btw, more insight into who will be playing from BC's main "newspaper" (after living there for a year, I use this phrase very loosely)
http://www.theprovince.com/Tournament+might+settled+Whitecaps+intent+silencin g+Toronto/3100937/story.html

[twistedchinaman]

^ From what I read elsewhere, they'll be putting out their strongest possible squad to make a "statement" (Craps coach trying to protect his job)

Actual translation: We're sore losers, so we're going to beat you up to compensate for our shittyness. So prepare to suck balls.

Give it a rest, Whitecraps. :scarf:

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

If the team's allowed to add academy players to their roster for this game, I wonder if they would have been able to play a trialing player as well?

[Darlofletch]

:lol::facepalm:

oh man, Tittier or whatever is going to get fired!

btw, more insight into who will be playing from BC's main "newspaper" (after living there for a year, I use this phrase very loosely)
http://www.theprovince.com/Tournament+might+settled+Whitecaps+intent+silencin g+Toronto/3100937/story.html

get it right man!

it's tater tots!

[Red CB Toronto]

If the team's allowed to add academy players to their roster for this game, I wonder if they would have been able to play a trialing player as well?

I would assume so as long as you are a registered player, same when guests played in MLS reserve games.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

What came to mind was that Van Dijk was supposed to play against Real Madrid, but never ended up doing so. Might be something to look for at the Bolton game, as it's just after the transfer window opens.

[Vince Whirlwind]

Anyone know of any streams?

[BayernTFC]

Anyone know of any streams?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/nutrilite_live_stream/
or
http://www.canadasoccer.com/championship/nccvideo.asp

[Vince Whirlwind]

Many thanks Bayern

[James17930]

Evening all.

Nice day for a trophy, eh?

I hope Preki subs De Ro in in the 90th minute to collect it.

[rilla]

has anyone found an online stream of the game?

[swan]

look up 3 post there is 2

[dclaro]

deguzman starting

[Baggio2TFC]

Wow, a little light in the stands tonight. I gave my tix to a co worker. Looks like it is raining pretty hard!

[King Jeff]

Vancouver down to ten after a wet pitch-assisted horror tackle.

[dantdot]

This game not worth a game thread? ha.

Haber straight red. Looked like a yellow.

[Krasno.pL.]

Tough Challenge... Yellow would do.. but good to see the boys getting stuck in

[Dub Narcotic]

Get JDG out of there at halftime. No need for injuries.

[Dub Narcotic]

Henry, maybe not quite ready.

[dclaro]

good thing its the last game so we dont have to worry about suspensions next game

[Shakes McQueen]

Whatever they are paying that Sanchez guy to take corners and free kicks - it's too much.

- Scott

[Dub Narcotic]

He's been brutal (Sanchez). Wasn't really impressed with him in their other games either. I like their Georgian guy on the left.

[razor787]

This ref is terrible... So many missed fouls already, and so many cards that are too harsh of a punishment :/

Looks like the CSA are sending out their reserves too...

[C.Barrett19]

Boring

[Vince Whirlwind]

Haven't been too impressed with Ibbe...Matheson looks more the player

[DichioTFC]

Whatever they are paying that Teiter guy to take coach - it's too much.

- Scott

/fixed

[dclaro]

what a chance for lindsay

[Davenport]

Haven't been too impressed with Ibbe...Matheson looks more the player
And he looks weak. Lindsay is like a frightened rabbit.
These boys aren't good enough.

[ArmenJBX]

I am incredibly disappointed in Fuad Ibrahim.

[greatwhitenorf]

What a good hockey match on CBC.

[Davenport]

What a good hockey match on CBC.
People paid good money to watch this garbage ?!

[razor787]

Wow... This just proves that Toronto sports fans are shit...

Its a meaningless game. The academy players were brought in so our starters dont have to play. If the first team was sent out, there would be whining about that. There is seriously no pleasing anyone in this town...

[Pachuco]

Wow... This just proves that Toronto sports fans are shit...

Its a meaningless game. The academy players were brought in so our starters dont have to play. If the first team was sent out, there would be whining about that. There is seriously no pleasing anyone in this town...

Where does this post come from? I haven't seen anybody whining in this thread?

[razor787]

that davenport post, about how people paid to watch this garbage. What is expected from a reserves match.

[Pachuco]

Oh, I didn't get whether he was talking about this game or the hockey game since he quoted the hockey game.

Either way, it's only one guy ;). There's lots of us who are happy to see the academy team get a run. If I didn't wake up with a kidney stone you bet I'd be at the game right now.

[Shway]

Doneill Henry has played solid
he should be signed

and Mattheson, ive never seen an 18year old with that frame

[razor787]

I would have been at it for sure if I had someone to go with... Was about to buy tickets off a guy at work, but nobody wanted to go :/

[Shakes McQueen]

I'm glad I got to see some of the kids get a run out on the pitch. Feels good to watch a game with no pressure whatsoever, because we know we've already wrapped things up.

Quality of the game has been suspect, but I expected that. It's a bunch of MLS academy players - meaning players not considered good enough for MLS yet, if ever. think about that sentence for a second. :D

- Scott

[Pachuco]

Anyone know why Stinson didn't get a run? I was looking forward to seeing him play.

[ginkster88]

It's unbelievable how hidden the Sportsnet.ca Live Stream is. If you didn't know they were doing it you would never be able to find it by checking Sportsnet.ca.

[swan]

Oh, I didn't get whether he was talking about this game or the hockey game since he quoted the hockey game.

Either way, it's only one guy ;). There's lots of us who are happy to see the academy team get a run. If I didn't wake up with a kidney stone you bet I'd be at the game right now.


ah suck it up... lol

Be a man!!

[James17930]

that davenport post, about how people paid to watch this garbage. What is expected from a reserves match.

Yep, that's Davenport.

If he won a million dollars in the lottery, he'd complain that it wasn't two.

[jloome]

Hidden? I looked under soccer and, poof, magically there it was.

As for Lindsay, he did well. He had to get in that position in the first place, which was good judgment on the deflected ball, and he absolutely schooled thebig Georgian fullback a couple of times.

[Davenport]

that davenport post, about how people paid to watch this garbage. What is expected from a reserves match.
It wasn't meant at the kids, there were only a few of them, but the gerebral quality of play.
The kids don't look good enough. I know, I know, first game nerves etc....but they really don't look good players.

[James17930]

Anyone know why Stinson didn't get a run? I was looking forward to seeing him play.

Probably because they were forced to eat up a substitution with Nane going out so early (so unlucky, that).

[ginkster88]

Hidden? I looked under soccer and, poof, magically there it was.

You've got a live stream of a Toronto team playing a Canadian team in a National tournament and the only way to find it is to go to "Soccer"? And then in a subcategory of its own below-the-fold through a link marked "Watch all games here"? That's hidden. Zero mention that the game is live right now!

If it's not in the flash of the top five stories of the day, then at the very least it should be featured in the "What's On" box down the side. The actual live stream has zero homepage presence and zero presence in the Soccer subcategory which is a serious oversight in my opinion.

[DichioTFC]

well, since there wasnt a match thread and there doesn't appear to be a post-match thread, congrats to the boys (especially the youngsters) for getting a run out and raising a trophy.

For the first time, I'm actually looking forward to seeing how people have the ratings of the squad tonight (specifically of the Academy players)

[Nazzer]

is the game in half time? i just turned on the stram and all i see is connected

nevermind.... game over

[TFCUNITED]

It's unbelievable how hidden the Sportsnet.ca Live Stream is. If you didn't know they were doing it you would never be able to find it by checking Sportsnet.ca.

I have to agree. I found out about the stream on their site only because someone posted it here a month or so back. Congrats to the kids that got called up and to the team for winning the trophy. :scarf:

[deltox]

Nane Joseph has Dislocated shoulder

[rocker]

so what's Vancouver's excuse now? down a man? rain?
I can hear Tater Tots now: "We was very close... we should be proud of a 0-0 tie against an MLS team on the road."

[denime]

Carry on in post game thread:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=1049793#post1049793