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atlanticTFCfan
04-27-2010, 07:32 PM
Now this is something even I didn't see coming.

According to Soccer By Ives's Twitter account (@SoccerByIves), former TFC head coach John Carver is siding with Mo in the recent tiffs caused by the man who replaced Carver when he resigned, Chris Cummins, and former player Ali Gerba. Both were interviewed by The Score's Kristian Jack recently.

Carver went on to say this about Mo:

"If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo and people are jumping on the bandwagon.

"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC[/URL]. He wants to do what's best for that club."

Check out [URL]http://www.soccerbyives.net/ (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC) later for the interview Ives did with Carver.

SmokedPanda
04-27-2010, 07:35 PM
so hopefully next week they interview serieux and robo to determine who's fault it is

boban
04-27-2010, 07:35 PM
He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC). He wants to do what's best for that club."

Yeah well loving the game and the club doesn't mean you know what you are doing.

Redcoe15
04-27-2010, 07:37 PM
Now this is something even I didn't see coming.

According to Soccer By Ives's Twitter account (@SoccerByIves), former TFC head coach John Carver (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/John_Carver) is siding with Mo in the recent tiffs caused by the man who replaced Carver when he resigned, Chris Cummins, and former player Ali Gerba. Both were interviewed by The Score's Kristian Jack recently.

Carver went on to say this about Mo:

"If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo and people are jumping on the bandwagon.

"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC). He wants to do what's best for that club."

:picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard: :facepalm: :picard:

Nuvinho
04-27-2010, 07:41 PM
Okay.....I have some doubts about this. I know Ives is very respected, but he is Mo's friend. I am sure Toronto FC asked Carver to speak to Ives.

I want to know if Kristian Jack ever tried to contact Carver. If he did, did Carver turn him down. It just seems weird that Ives interviews Carver, and not a Toronto reporter.

Does anyone else think that this seems a little fishy?

If all 3 were interviewed by Kristian Jack, and Carver defended MoJo, then I'd be more inclined to think this is a legit interview.

Cashcleaner
04-27-2010, 07:42 PM
"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC). He wants to do what's best for that club."

Well then, I guess that means he's quiting. I mean, I think we can all agree that would be best for the club. And so if that's Mo's top priority (according to Carver), then I guess there's no need for any banners or protests or whatnot.

I suppose Mo is just in the process of cleaning out his office then. I wonder if he needs a hand.

FluSH
04-27-2010, 07:44 PM
Now this is something even I didn't see coming.

According to Soccer By Ives's Twitter account (@SoccerByIves), former TFC head coach John Carver (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/John_Carver) is siding with Mo in the recent tiffs caused by the man who replaced Carver when he resigned, Chris Cummins, and former player Ali Gerba. Both were interviewed by The Score's Kristian Jack recently.

Carver went on to say this about Mo:

"If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo and people are jumping on the bandwagon.

"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC). He wants to do what's best for that club."

Check out http://www.soccerbyives.net/ later for the interview Ives did with Carver.

This was actually on the sidebar to the right... displayed during Cummin's interview.... it clearly said that Carver was going to speak in support of his former boss.

FluSH
04-27-2010, 07:47 PM
P.S. Atlantic... I know you are a mod at BS... is that Carver link some sort of shameless plug for BS I don't see the substance there?

Pachuco
04-27-2010, 07:48 PM
I don't give a rats ass what John Carver has to say about Cummins and Ali Gerba. The fact of the matter is he was long gone for any topic discussed by these guys in their interviews. Carver you think Mo's cute? great. Doesn't make him a good GM, and unfortunately, you had the best squad Mo's put together to work with and we played nothing but a god awefull long ball style of play that couldn't beat house league teams.

atlanticTFCfan
04-27-2010, 07:49 PM
P.S. Atlantic... I know you are a mod at BS... is that Carver link some sort of shameless plug for BS I don't see the substance there?

No. To be honest, I didn't even notice them. My bad for that.

FluSH
04-27-2010, 07:50 PM
No. To be honest, I didn't even notice them. My bad for that.

np...

Auzzy
04-27-2010, 07:52 PM
Oh god, this is all pretty weird & funny. Someone is going to write a good book about this, some day.

I'm going to try to ignore all this crap for now, and focus on the games tomorrow & on the weekend. Yeah, I know this is all somehow important for the club's future, but I can't handle any more of this farce.

CretanBull
04-27-2010, 07:54 PM
I question characterizing this as being in 'support' of Mo. It's clear that he's not piling on dirt, but saying that Mo wants whats best for the club is actually a pretty nuetral statement. I don't doubt for a second that Mo loves TFC and wants what's best for the team - I just think that he's incompetent and has failed to deliver. Carver left before Cummings was forced to deal with the unbalanced line up that Mo put together, Carver didn't have to deal with Mo's locker room meddling, Carver didn't have to deal with the Dichio situation etc.

I don't doubt Carver's experience and I'll respect his thoughts on that, but he was out the door before things got really ugly.

ua-kozak_TFC
04-27-2010, 08:14 PM
Now this is something even I didn't see coming.

According to Soccer By Ives's Twitter account (@SoccerByIves), former TFC head coach John Carver is siding with Mo in the recent tiffs caused by the man who replaced Carver when he resigned, Chris Cummins, and former player Ali Gerba. Both were interviewed by The Score's Kristian Jack recently.

Carver went on to say this about Mo:

"If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo and people are jumping on the bandwagon.

"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC. He wants to do what's best for that club."

Check out http://www.soccerbyives.net/ later for the interview Ives did with Carver.
WHat a BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!!! Who does he want us to blame? the field turf for not preparing the team and and reinforcing the position we needed for 4 years in a row...

How deos th fact that he " loves" football and Loves TFC make him any more competent at directing this team forward??? I can anything that on this board there are ppl who love TFC FAR more than anyone on the TFC;s FO... Does that mean we should make them GMs... ??

tfcleeds
04-27-2010, 08:14 PM
I thought that outspoken as JC usually is, he would have taken the opportunity to further pile the dirt on Mo. It's obvious that he didn't appreciate Mo's lies when he was here, which goes a long way to explain why he eventually left. I understand that they are friends, but anyone who is looking to JC as being an ally insofar as paving the way for Mo's eventual departure is concerned, they may be sorely disappointed. At least from the accounts I've heard.

ua-kozak_TFC
04-27-2010, 08:15 PM
ps: is there a recording of this inteview?? or will galcep only cut and paste the parts that MO likes and write about it??

wzhxvy
04-27-2010, 08:16 PM
I do not pretend to know what motivates Carver to say or do what he did. I personally dont care. He says MO is a good guy, fantastic, but what does that have to do with what CC and Gerba are claiming ? This is so transparent, its almost insulting to the intelligence, but that is how the TFC FO operates. Are we going to see pictures of MO in the park playing with his kids next ? Please...

Gixmo
04-27-2010, 08:17 PM
I am very surprised to hear of this via Ives Twitter feed, but as Flush mentions there were signs this was going to be a 'Mo Backing' interview. The timing, announced on the heels of KJ's roast of Johnton, was questionable to..

Why John, Why... As a friend pointed out, I'd be checking John Carver's bank account for that endorsement cheque. When John left, clearly there were problems... Now, He's having tea and crumpets with MoJo?

jabbronies
04-27-2010, 08:20 PM
I haven't seen the article, but Ives is a Mo man. This will be a pro Mo interview.

I wonder why Carver didn't go on the Grill Room like he was originally suppose to? I guess Carver is a Mo supporter as well and by going on that show he knew things would go negative against Mo.

Phil
04-27-2010, 08:24 PM
I haven't seen the article, but Ives is a Mo man. This will be a pro Mo interview.

I wonder why Carver didn't go on the Grill Room like he was originally suppose to? I guess Carver is a Mo supporter as well and by going on that show he knew things would go negative against Mo.

Because Wheeler is off today.

Something rotten in Denmark if you ask me.

Nuvinho
04-27-2010, 08:25 PM
Why did JC pick Ives to talk to? Why not Goff? John Molinaro? Dobson? Don't they cover Toronto FC. When you want to do a fluff piece you go to your friend always!

just my 2 cents.

Lucky Strike
04-27-2010, 08:26 PM
I'm disappointed in Carver not slamming Mo. I'm sure he's got his reasons so I can't slam as being all of a sudden a moron but I sure would have liked to see him air his dirty laundry.

However, let's not all freak out because Mo has backup - this doesn't change the facts. Mo must still go.

JonO
04-27-2010, 08:26 PM
Something rotten in Denmark if you ask me.We're getting somebody from Denmark? Woohoo! :D

Nuvinho
04-27-2010, 08:26 PM
Because Wheeler is off today.

Something rotten in Denmark if you ask me.

and Wheeler and Jack are friends. Jack is always on the show.

AL-MO
04-27-2010, 08:31 PM
Pretty much what I expected when I heard he was being interviewed.

Shakes McQueen
04-27-2010, 08:31 PM
Frankly, I'm exhausted with this shit. Our team played well on the weekend, and I look forward to our game with Montreal this week.

I wanted Mo fired before this, or any of the other former employee interviews came out, and I want him fired now still. Folks need to stop hanging by the every words of these former employees, all with agendas and perceptions of their own.

Our team has been a shit show for four seasons. Mo has done a terrible job of bringing in the players we need to have success. I want him fired for that. All of this other scuttlebutt is just peripheral clutter that everyone interprets differently, depending on what conclusions they want to make.

- Scott

rocker
04-27-2010, 08:32 PM
I'm disappointed in Carver not slamming Mo. I'm sure he's got his reasons so I can't slam as being all of a sudden a moron but I sure would have liked to see him air his dirty laundry.

it *is* possible he doesn't have any to air. Carver is free to speak his mind as he wants and that doesn't mean it's always going to be the way everyone else speaks.

Shakes McQueen
04-27-2010, 08:32 PM
However, let's not all freak out because Mo has backup - this doesn't change the facts. Mo must still go.

EXACTLY.

- Scott

Phil
04-27-2010, 08:33 PM
and Wheeler and Jack are friends. Jack is always on the show.

Probably nothing anyway. Not sure about the life and times of Wheeler. Maybe the show would have happened if he was available.

Who knows.

TFC07
04-27-2010, 08:40 PM
I wonder why Carver didn't do an interview with a Toronto/Canadian reporter. I am sure there's a reason for this, unless he's scared of Toronto media? This just doesn't help Mo's cause IMO. I hope other Canadian media (like Sportsnet) try to get bottom of this story of Mo being a cancer.

Toronto_Bhoy
04-27-2010, 08:41 PM
Carver: "If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo...."

You pin the blame on Mo because he's in charge of a team that isn't performing!

It is easy!


" and people are jumping on the bandwagon."

What bandwagon?


"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC. He wants to do what's best for that club."

Mo, if you love the Club, do the right thing…RESIGN NOW!!!

DichioTFC
04-27-2010, 08:44 PM
Much ado about nothing I guess. I respect what Carver had to say and yes, its quite possible that he was just returning the favour for his old bosses, but I'll take it for face value.

This doesn't change either of the two most important things: TFC must win against Montreal in 22 hours and Mo Jiggily Jo must Go. In order of importance.

drewski
04-27-2010, 08:56 PM
the tweets are all easily explained as taking the glass is half full approach


Carver: "If your team isn't performing, you're going to look for somebody to pin the blame on, and an easy target is Mo...."well duh. there are 2 people to blame, GM & coach. Coach is new so blame the guy who built the team



"and people are jumping on the bandwagon."more people are realizing it



"He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC. He wants to do what's best for that club." I'm sure he does, but that doesn't make him competent to the job.

denime
04-27-2010, 09:07 PM
Who Caaaaaares ?

That's so 2009 it's not funny anymore.

Damien
04-27-2010, 09:11 PM
One first wave client scratches another's back.

CretanBull
04-27-2010, 09:26 PM
Carver speaks well of Mo, but doesn't contradict anything that Cummins said...

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2010/04/john-carver-interview.html

Roogsy
04-27-2010, 09:37 PM
From what I have read so far, Carver really hasn't given Mo any sort of huge vote of confidence and hasn't refuted anything that has been claimed. He just basically says that Mo is a nice guy. Not a lot of "content" there.

Gixmo
04-27-2010, 09:37 PM
http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/johnston-souness.jpg
Yes, The guy in the black is an asshole

S_D
04-27-2010, 09:42 PM
Okay.....I have some doubts about this. I know Ives is very respected, but he is Mo's friend. I am sure Toronto FC asked Carver to speak to Ives.

I want to know if Kristian Jack ever tried to contact Carver. If he did, did Carver turn him down. It just seems weird that Ives interviews Carver, and not a Toronto reporter.

Does anyone else think that this seems a little fishy?

If all 3 were interviewed by Kristian Jack, and Carver defended MoJo, then I'd be more inclined to think this is a legit interview.

very fishy since the outcome of who Carver was supporting came out before the interview was even close to starting.

Phil
04-27-2010, 09:49 PM
very fishy since the outcome of who Carver was supporting came out before the interview was even close to starting.

It doesnt surprise me as Carver was at our tailgate last year saying the same thing.

MisterMacphisto
04-27-2010, 09:53 PM
One first wave client scratches another's back.

First Wave Sports Marketing (http://www.firstwavesports.com/)

http://www.firstwavesports.com/thumbnailer.php?file=firstwave/template2/images/logo/1.gif&maxwidth=256&maxheight=85

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CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND PLANNING through Canadian Forex

POST-CAREER PLANNING


Clients:

Mo Johnston (http://www.firstwavesports.com/coaches/coaches?coach_id=2)

John Carver (http://www.firstwavesports.com/coaches/coaches?coach_id=6)

Jimmy Brennan (http://www.firstwavesports.com/firstwave/clients?athlete_id=115)

=========

Is / Was Ali Gerba represented by First Wave? Nope.

Is / Was Chris Cummins represented by First Wave? Nope.

Will other previous Toronto FC players who will speak the truth about Mo be represented by First Wave? No, I'm quite certain this isn't over and I hope and pray those who know who they are speak up. Please... Kristian Jack and others in the media.... Please continue to dig and press this issue.

Was this an absolute pathetic attempt by Mo Johnston to save his job? I think we all know the answer to that. :facepalm:

rocker
04-27-2010, 09:54 PM
First Wave Sports Marketing (http://www.firstwavesports.com/)

http://www.firstwavesports.com/thumbnailer.php?file=firstwave/template2/images/logo/1.gif&maxwidth=256&maxheight=85

Services

First Wave offers the following services to all of our clients:


CLUB CONTRACT NEGOTIATION
TRANSFER NEGOTIATION
ENDORSEMENT MARKETING
IMMIGRATION SERVICES through Attorney Donald Mooers
TAX PLANNING AND ACCOUNTING through The Fulserv Group
CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND PLANNING through Canadian Forex
POST-CAREER PLANNING


Clients:

Mo Johnston (http://www.firstwavesports.com/coaches/coaches?coach_id=2)

John Carver (http://www.firstwavesports.com/coaches/coaches?coach_id=6)

Jimmy Brennan (http://www.firstwavesports.com/firstwave/clients?athlete_id=115)

=========

Is / Was Ali Gerba represented by First Wave? Nope.

Is / Was Chris Cummins represented by First Wave? Nope.

Will other previous Toronto FC players who will speak the truth about Mo be represented by First Wave? No, I'm quite certain this isn't over and I hope and pray those who know who they are speak up. Please... Kristian Jack and others in the media.... Please continue to dig and press this issue.

Was this an absolute pathetic attempt by Mo Johnston to save his job? I think we all know the answer to that. :facepalm:

holy conspiracy theory, batman!

Hitcho
04-27-2010, 10:02 PM
Meh. Would Anselmi read this and change his mind on sacking Mo? I seriously doubt it. It says nothing and therefore carries no weight. There's no finger pointed at anyone else, or staunch defence of Mo's actions and record at TFC. It's wafer thin, wishy washy, content free platitudes. JC may not have wanted to stick the knife in, but he's hardly mounted a sterling defence.

Put it this way - look at the reaction in this thread to what Ives has posted, and then ask yourself if Anselmi et al would react any differently?

Nuvinho
04-27-2010, 10:03 PM
how can I get First Wave to represent me.

ensco
04-27-2010, 10:05 PM
I never thought much of Carver's football tactics, and despised his post-game antics, but he conducted himself like a real gentlemen in that interview.

Whatever the truth about what happened here, then and now, I applaud him for that.

BASE
04-27-2010, 10:07 PM
From what I have read so far, Carver really hasn't given Mo any sort of huge vote of confidence and hasn't refuted anything that has been claimed. He just basically says that Mo is a nice guy. Not a lot of "content" there.

Well he did call him a "decent guy" afterall, thats positive something - I think:facepalm:

That said its odd he didn't say great guy or at least a good guy. But maybe I'm reading too much into this!

CretanBull
04-27-2010, 10:13 PM
holy conspiracy theory, batman!

Where? He's pointed out that clients of a particular agency have all sided with the FO and the only people who have spoken out have different representation. There's no conspiracy theory there, all factual isn't it?

Stryker
04-27-2010, 10:16 PM
Carver recognizes a good man about as well as he did a good substitution on game day.

Toronto_Bhoy
04-27-2010, 10:19 PM
http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/johnston-souness.jpg
Yes, The guy in the black is an asshole

So is the other…

jloome
04-27-2010, 10:20 PM
Good lord, what a fluff job.

Toronto_Bhoy
04-27-2010, 10:25 PM
Now that Craver has violated his non-disclosure agreement I guess Mo will be suing him too?

Suds
04-27-2010, 10:26 PM
Well I have to agree with Roogsy, & Cretan. Carver doesn't come out and back any of Mo's decisions as a manager. Only to say Mo intentions are good. He's a good guy and wants the best for the team and never interfered in Carver's decisions on players, tactics, etc. I'm sure all of those things are true.

The issue, as we all know, is as good as Mo's intentions are they have not so far turned into positive results.

Gixmo
04-27-2010, 10:29 PM
So is the other…

Well played

MisterMacphisto
04-27-2010, 10:30 PM
holy conspiracy theory, batman!

No, those are just plain links for all to see. Ali Gerba and Chris Cummins do not share the same professional representation as Mo Johnston. I suspect and hope we will here from other players who also do not share the same professional representation.

If we want to get into conspiracy theories and speculation, I'd get into why there always seem to be someone so quick to get out the "pro" message. Almost like its their job to anonymously monitor all the Toronto FC social media sites and counter any perceived negativism.

Mo Johnston's has had an abysmal managerial record.. both here and in New York, has an extremely hodgepodge and frantic trade history, has had many of the leagues best players perform poorly here, has had both a former player and former coach with no professional ties give scathing reviews, and there have been several other previous players saying the same things in private as well, who will hopefully come forward very soon. (Please guys!)

There's no conspiracy theory, just the plain truth that is plainly visible to anyone with any sense at all that for the long term success of Toronto FC, Mo Johnston has to go.

I'm not wishing failure on the club. I want them to be successful so bad, it hurts and this is causing me so much stress. But all these signs were evident in 2007. And in 2008. And in 2009. We're into 2010 now, and well... let's just say I don't want to wait for the 5 year plan before we get a successful GM in place.

Beach_Red
04-27-2010, 10:32 PM
The issue, as we all know, is as good as Mo's intentions are they have not so far turned into positive results.


Right. So handing over the start-up from scratch of an expansion team to a guy with so little experience was a mistake.

How come someone still gets a pass on that decision?

It really looks like what we've had for three seasns is a guy in over his head. Backed by a billion-dollar corporation who are never held accountable for leaving him in over his head.

It's funny, really, it is the movie Major League.

CretanBull
04-27-2010, 10:43 PM
Right. So handing over the start-up from scratch of an expansion team to a guy with so little experience was a mistake.

How come someone still gets a pass on that decision?

It really looks like what we've had for three seasns is a guy in over his head. Backed by a billion-dollar corporation who are never held accountable for leaving him in over his head.

It's funny, really, it is the movie Major League.

It's been suggested that MLSE were...I won't say 'forced', but 'encouraged'?...to hire Mo because he was still under contract with the MLS after he was fired by NYRB. I'm not sure if that means that they paid his salary while he worked for us (up until we renewed his contract).

Beach_Red
04-27-2010, 10:59 PM
It's been suggested that MLSE were...I won't say 'forced', but 'encouraged'?...to hire Mo because he was still under contract with the MLS after he was fired by NYRB. I'm not sure if that means that they paid his salary while he worked for us (up until we renewed his contract).


And were they 'encouraged' to hire only him? Were they 'discouraged' from hiring a team president with a lot of experience running a soccer team? In season one were they 'encouraged' to hire him as coach or GM or both?

This team has been a money-maker since day one. Not bringing in an experienced guy to run the team is a disgrace. There are no excuses.

Try not to let your personal feelings about the guy they did hire get in the way of how they're treating this team.

CretanBull
04-27-2010, 11:15 PM
And were they 'encouraged' to hire only him? Were they 'discouraged' from hiring a team president with a lot of experience running a soccer team? In season one were they 'encouraged' to hire him as coach or GM or both?

This team has been a money-maker since day one. Not bringing in an experienced guy to run the team is a disgrace. There are no excuses.

Try not to let your personal feelings about the guy they did hire get in the way of how they're treating this team.

I wasn't argueing with you - I was replying in support of what said, pointing out that its possible that our ownership 'hired' the guy that they didn't have to pay because the league was already on the hook for his salary. I don't know that to be true, but it is a possibility.

Hitcho
04-27-2010, 11:35 PM
http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/johnston-souness.jpg
Yes, The guy in the black is an asshole

Holy shit, where did Souness vacation that year? The sun?! :D

TFCUNITED
04-27-2010, 11:50 PM
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Torontotonto
04-28-2010, 12:01 AM
He's a decent guy who loves football and loves Toronto FC (http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/topic/Toronto_FC). He wants to do what's best for that club."

Yeah well loving the game and the club doesn't mean you know what you are doing.

Well said...

twistedchinaman
04-28-2010, 12:04 AM
There just something not right about this whole deal...

Dunc
04-28-2010, 12:35 AM
I wonder who else are first wave clients..

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CretanBull
04-28-2010, 12:39 AM
I wonder who else are first wave clients..

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

Hahahaha!

Pookie
04-28-2010, 05:54 AM
The full text is now available and to me, it's a lot of fluff.

Carver, in a bit of irony, says "at the end of the day, if I'm the coach and I'm in charge of the football team, and I'm not successful, as far as I'm concerned, the buck stops with me."

He forgot to add, "... except of course, when I choose to quit and pass the buck to my assistant."

This reads to me like one of those old World Wrestling Federation storylines from the 80s, where elements of the public hang on every scripted word, believing it to be real. Oblivious to the idea that there is already a predetermined outcome. We'll get focused on the words and emotions and lose the line between reality and fiction.

The basic fact in this saga that is overlooked is that when an employment contract is terminated, both parties will typically sign a form of a Non-Disparagement Agreement. It prevents parties, upon penalty, from speaking ill of each other.

If Carver has one of those, this interview is about as credible as Paul Mr. Wonderful Orndorf speaking about his future plans.

Note that when Mo referenced suing Cummins, he isn't threatening that on the basis of the allegations being false. Anselmi isn't either in claiming it is sour grapes. I would wager they are looking at a situation in which Cummins violated a Non-disparagement Agreement.

If one of those things exists, and I can't see why a big corporation would overlook a fairly common employment clause, it really negates the believability factor on comments made.

nascarguy
04-28-2010, 06:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhCkfQ5nzaI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhCkfQ5nzaI
lol good one yup that's mo

canadian_bhoy
04-28-2010, 07:01 AM
What does Carver have to gain by bashing mo at this point?

All he would do right now is sound like a whiney man b!tch...just like Cummins and Gerba did.

Fort York Redcoat
04-28-2010, 07:03 AM
Both represented by First Wave. Interesting.

Carver wasn't as forthcoming with the Pro-Mo stuff when he was sent to the box to coach from there...

This doesn't change much but the amount of footie gossip in Toronto. It's a slim chance Mo could come out a hero this year, Cummins interview or no.

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 07:23 AM
I think people are making entirely too much of the First Wave "connection".

- Scott

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 07:24 AM
Frankly, I'm exhausted with this shit. Our team played well on the weekend, and I look forward to our game with Montreal this week.

I wanted Mo fired before this, or any of the other former employee interviews came out, and I want him fired now still. Folks need to stop hanging by the every words of these former employees, all with agendas and perceptions of their own.

Our team has been a shit show for four seasons. Mo has done a terrible job of bringing in the players we need to have success. I want him fired for that. All of this other scuttlebutt is just peripheral clutter that everyone interprets differently, depending on what conclusions they want to make.

- Scott


Great Fucking Post. I didn't even bother reading past it.

Nuvinho
04-28-2010, 07:24 AM
I went to check out who is following me on twitter, who is this mauricejohnston that is following me...I don't like it!!! ;)

ManUtd4ever
04-28-2010, 07:40 AM
I never thought much of Carver's football tactics, and despised his post-game antics, but he conducted himself like a real gentlemen in that interview.

Whatever the truth about what happened here, then and now, I applaud him for that.

Agreed. Carver left of his own volition and either has no axe to grind with Mo or refuses to defame the character of his former employer for his own personal reasons. Perhaps it is also because of his invlovement with First Wave. In any case, I think his response shows class on his part and I'm glad he didn't add fuel to the fire. I've had enough of this shit. Mo will be relieved of his managerial responsibilities at some point but until then, I just want to watch football!

koryo
04-28-2010, 07:58 AM
Frankly, I'm exhausted with this shit. Our team played well on the weekend, and I look forward to our game with Montreal this week.

I wanted Mo fired before this, or any of the other former employee interviews came out, and I want him fired now still. Folks need to stop hanging by the every words of these former employees, all with agendas and perceptions of their own.

Our team has been a shit show for four seasons. Mo has done a terrible job of bringing in the players we need to have success. I want him fired for that. All of this other scuttlebutt is just peripheral clutter that everyone interprets differently, depending on what conclusions they want to make.

- Scott

Spot on. There's nothing I could add to this.

Auzzy
04-28-2010, 08:30 AM
As I wrote in today's news thread: small blurb in today's Star print edition, by Daniel Girard, can't find it online.


"Johnston won't sue ex-coach
TFC general manager Mo Johnston said Tuesday he won't purse legal action against former coach Chris Cummins for comments made public Monday.

...

Johnston, who on Monday had reportedly said he was going to consult his lawyer over Cummins' comments, said in a brief email Tuesday, "I'm moving on."Hallelujah! It seems somebody talked a modicum of sense into Mo. I've had more than enough of all this, FOR NOW! (We will see what "I'm moving on" means exactly. It's OK to have a dream, eh?)

Time for me to direct my focus to the boys on the field!

scooter
04-28-2010, 08:40 AM
yes this shite is getting out of hand
lets watch some footy and support the boys on the field

Oldtimer
04-28-2010, 08:59 AM
As I wrote in today's news thread: small blurb in today's Star print edition, by Daniel Girard, can't find it online.
Hallelujah! It seems somebody talked a modicum of sense into Mo. I've had more than enough of all this, FOR NOW! (We will see what "I'm moving on" means exactly. It's OK to have a dream, eh?)

Time for me to direct my focus to the boys on the field!

Interesting... after the Carver interview...

Oldtimer
04-28-2010, 08:59 AM
I think people are making entirely too much of the First Wave "connection".

- Scott

I don't, there is too much there, much more than just the MoJo-JC connection.

Oldtimer
04-28-2010, 09:03 AM
Mo found it quite hard making that transition from being the head coach to moving upstairs

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his capabilities.

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 09:07 AM
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his capabilities.

Do you think any manager would have an easy time going from being involved in every day tactics, training and other first team duties and then jumping up stairs to a totally different role where they are not actively involved with the first team?

Especially so in that he was a former deadly striker himself, so yeah I think it's totally understandable. Also watching him the first year on the sideline it was totally evident that he'd rather be on the pitch still.

Roogsy
04-28-2010, 09:15 AM
Frankly, I'm exhausted with this shit. Our team played well on the weekend, and I look forward to our game with Montreal this week.

I wanted Mo fired before this, or any of the other former employee interviews came out, and I want him fired now still. Folks need to stop hanging by the every words of these former employees, all with agendas and perceptions of their own.

Our team has been a shit show for four seasons. Mo has done a terrible job of bringing in the players we need to have success. I want him fired for that. All of this other scuttlebutt is just peripheral clutter that everyone interprets differently, depending on what conclusions they want to make.

- Scott


Scott, I can certainly understand your feelings and don't deny this soap opera is weighing heavy over the team.

That being said, I am constantly bewildered by people going into threads that are discussing topics that these very same people claim "annoy" them or "tire" them. Why do that?

Is there someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to read these threads?

There are threads about the game on Saturday or about the Montreal game tonight. What's with the need to go into topics that you have no desire to discuss only to complain about the fact that it is being discussed? It's not like these threads are interfering with your ability (or anyone elses) to discuss other aspects of TFC, including past or upcoming matches?

This is a general wonderment I have had about everyone who complains about the kinds of conversations that go on in these boards. We have thousands of users on this site, everyone being a distinctly different person with different viewpoints, pet peeves and opinions. If a particular thread is not to your liking, there are hundreds of others that might be, and of course there is the ultimate response to your problem, start a new thread with a discussion that you are interested in participating and does not annoy you.

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:18 AM
I don't, there is too much there, much more than just the MoJo-JC connection.

I'm talking about the people implying the reason JC didn't throw Mo under the bus, is because they are both represented by the same management agency.

I also think the whole "all Mo signs is First Wave-represented players" thing is overblown too. But that's a different discussion for a different day.

That said, I'm curious to know what is "there", since you've said there is "too much there" to ignore.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:25 AM
Scott, I can certainly understand your feelings and don't deny this soap opera is weighing heavy over the team.

That being said, I am constantly bewildered by people going into threads that are discussing topics that these very same people claim "annoy" them or "tire" them. Why do that?

Is there someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to read these threads?

There are threads about the game on Saturday or about the Montreal game tonight. What's with the need to go into topics that you have no desire to discuss only to complain about the fact that it is being discussed? It's not like these threads are interfering with your ability (or anyone elses) to discuss other aspects of TFC, including past or upcoming matches?

This is a general wonderment I have had about everyone who complains about the kinds of conversations that go on in these boards. We have thousands of users on this site, everyone being a distinctly different person with different viewpoints, pet peeves and opinions. If a particular thread is not to your liking, there are hundreds of others that might be, and of course there is the ultimate response to your problem, start a new thread with a discussion that you are interested in participating and does not annoy you.

I didn't complain about the subject being discussed - I said I was exhausted by it, because it's irrelevant. I then explained why I think this interview, like the others, is irrelevant. In other words, I made a contribution to the discussion.

- Scott

Pookie
04-28-2010, 09:25 AM
I'm not sure why people see "Supporting Boys on the Field" and wanting "Change in both Management and Structure" as being linked. They are mutually exclusive.

We'll sing our asses off for the guys wearing the badge.

But that doesn't mean that we can't ask that the badge mean something more to the organization. There are clear steps that can be taken. Remove the reporting structure for TFC and align it with the Leafs and Raptors. Determine if there is truth to the Mo stuff and fix it if necessary. From there, determine if he is the guy to lead. Let the Board decide. Move on either way.

None of that has anything to do with the players on the field.

Pookie
04-28-2010, 09:27 AM
I'm talking about the people implying the reason JC didn't throw Mo under the bus, is because they are both represented by the same management agency.


I'd agree with that. I think the reason he didn't make a bus toss is that he likely has signed a Non-Disparagement Agreement.

Cummins probably signed one too, elected to break it and may get sued as a result.

Auzzy
04-28-2010, 09:34 AM
I'd agree with that. I think the reason he didn't make a bus toss is that he likely has signed a Non-Disparagement Agreement.

Cummins probably signed one too, elected to break it and may get sued as a result.

Read the quote above, from today's print edition of the Star. Mo changed his tune, he isn't pursuing legal action against Cummins.

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:35 AM
I'm not sure why people see "Supporting Boys on the Field" and wanting "Change in both Management and Structure" as being linked. They are mutually exclusive.

We'll sing our asses off for the guys wearing the badge.

But that doesn't mean that we can't ask that the badge mean something more to the organization. There are clear steps that can be taken. Remove the reporting structure for TFC and align it with the Leafs and Raptors. Determine if there is truth to the Mo stuff and fix it if necessary. From there, determine if he is the guy to lead. Let the Board decide. Move on either way.

None of that has anything to do with the players on the field.

I think you mean they AREN'T mutually exclusive.

And I don't think anyone disagrees with the notion that demanding changes in the front office, and cheering on the team, mutually exclude one another.

What is getting exhausting, is reading people trying to connect the most tenuous of dots like it was the freaking Da Vinci Code, breaking down the psychology of why they are saying what they are saying and how they said it, and drawing completetly unfounded conclusions as a result.

Like the guy who said clearly the fix was in here, because Mo's "buddy" Ives did the interview after Wheeler suspiciously backed out of the picture. Or the people who think Carver is providing covering fire for Mo, because they are represented by the same talent agency. Or the people who think the timing of Carver's interview is conspicuous, as though tons of media people haven't been banging on his door for the past week to try and add more gasoline to this big drama-fire.

Like... really? That's the part that exhausts me.

- Scott

Beach_Red
04-28-2010, 09:37 AM
I'd agree with that. I think the reason he didn't make a bus toss is that he likely has signed a Non-Disparagement Agreement.




Or he knows a lot more about how the team and the league is run than we do. Maybe he knows more about what Oldtimer mentions as going on, "there."

From the outside a lot of this stuff just doesn't look very professional. A company starts a team from scratch and doesn't bother to hire anyone who's done that before, or even run a team for any length of time. One agency represents the entire coaching/management staff and half the players. The team struggles on the field and management contracts are extended.

Maybe Carver just looked at it from the inside and said this whole place is a mess and got out.

menefreghista
04-28-2010, 09:42 AM
If people are exhausted with discussing how shit Mo Johnston does his job, why do they act like masochists and read and post in the threads that discuss it?

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:43 AM
Or he knows a lot more about how the team and the league is run than we do. Maybe he knows more about what Oldtimer mentions as going on, "there."

From the outside a lot of this stuff just doesn't look very professional. A company starts a team from scratch and doesn't bother to hire anyone who's done that before, or even run a team for any length of time. One agency represents the entire coaching/management staff and half the players. The team struggles on the field and management contracts are extended.

Maybe Carver just looked at it from the inside and said this whole place is a mess and got out.

First Wave represent six of our current players. They also represent seven Chicago Fire players, five San Jose players, and five New York players. According to their website, anyway.

- Scott

trane
04-28-2010, 09:48 AM
I am a decent guy ( well at least as decent as MO) and I love Toronto FC, give me the job of GM. I am qualified.

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 09:50 AM
Me too trane... plus I play FM10 like everyday. I'm sure I could do a decent enough job of scouting on my own... better than our nonexistent scouting staff anyway LOL

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 09:50 AM
I am a decent guy ( well at least as decent as MO) and I love Toronto FC, give me the job of GM. I am qualified.


would you a) give me a raise b) take me 'scouting' to Brazil with you?

trane
04-28-2010, 09:51 AM
^ I will back you up for the job, I do not have time to play FM10 everyday, so you are clearly better qualified then me, .....and Mo.

trane
04-28-2010, 09:53 AM
would you a) give me a raise b) take me 'scouting' to Brazil with you?

Yes. I would have to send you to Brazil to 'scout' on your own, my wife would not let me scout in 'Brazil", I would also like to 'scourt' in the DOminican and Colombia, but I will not be able to, you can go for me as well.

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:53 AM
My team went undefeated in my FIFA 10 season?

Job please.

- Scott

trane
04-28-2010, 09:58 AM
^ FIFA 10 I have won Serie A, EPL, FA Copa Italia, and the CL, on multiple occassions with AC Milan, Everton, and Marsaille. Take that for qualifications.

Shakes McQueen
04-28-2010, 09:59 AM
That technically makes you a proven winner. I suppose you should get the job over me.

- Scott

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 10:01 AM
Yes. I would have to send you to Brazil to 'scout' on your own, my wife would not let me scout in 'Brazil", I would also like to 'scourt' in the DOminican and Colombia, but I will not be able to, you can go for me as well.


you are an honorable man, and deserving of the 'Director of Soccer' title

trane
04-28-2010, 10:02 AM
^ Thank you. But Sahgs clearly puts more into it. Tough group of 'qualified' candidates.

Now if I could bring over Yakubu, Pato or Borriello, then I would nominate myself again. Distin or Thiago Silva would not hurt either.

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 10:02 AM
LOL I've taken Rushden & Diamonds from the BlueSquare Prem all the way up to the Championship. 4 seasons 3 promotions! Bam!

trane
04-28-2010, 10:02 AM
you are an honorable man, and deserving of the 'Director of Soccer' title


I love titles, but even more if they come with $$$$$.

trane
04-28-2010, 10:03 AM
LOL I've taken Rushden & Diamonds from the BlueSquare Prem all the way up to the Championship. 4 seasons 3 promotions! Bam!

So you know how to develop players. Execelent.

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 10:04 AM
I love titties, but even more if they come with $$$$$.

Fuck, who doesn't dude?

Beach_Red
04-28-2010, 10:04 AM
I love titles, but even more if they come with $$$$$.


Yeah, I don't think you could take the cut in pay to work for TFC.

trane
04-28-2010, 10:04 AM
A thought cross my mind, next MLS-rumours article, "TFC looking at possible replacemnt at GM; Shags and Shakes among the candidates".

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 10:05 AM
A thought cross my mind, next MLS-rumours article, "TFC looking at possible replacemnt at GM; Shags and Shakes among the candidates".


Shags and Shakes... sounds like a pornstar name LOL


He shags, he shakes and off he goes! LOL

trane
04-28-2010, 10:05 AM
Yeah, I don't think you could take the cut in pay to work for TFC.

How much does Mo get paid?

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 10:06 AM
I love tities, but even more if they come with $$$$$.

:ihih:

Pookie
04-28-2010, 10:07 AM
Maybe Carver just looked at it from the inside and said this whole place is a mess and got out.

Quite possible he came to that conclusion.

Shaughno
04-28-2010, 10:07 AM
:ihih:


FAIL!


Look up about 4 posts.

trane
04-28-2010, 10:07 AM
^ Parky and Shags , great minds thinking alike. It must be humpday.

Oldtimer
04-28-2010, 10:21 AM
How much does Mo get paid?

too much.

trane
04-28-2010, 10:24 AM
^ ahahahah. I would say anything is too much, if it is rated on performance.

mrs.andyc
04-28-2010, 11:39 AM
I went to check out who is following me on twitter, who is this mauricejohnston that is following me...I don't like it!!! ;)

He's following me and andyc too!!! He's started stalking us all :D

bgnewf
04-28-2010, 02:51 PM
my take on Carver speaking to Ives, comments about the game tonight and some vvintage photos (including a "Parkdale") is now up on www.tfcpics.com (http://www.tfcpics.com)

Cheers.

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 02:56 PM
dare I look to see what exactly a "parkdale" might be?



I dare.

wow... those are some classic pics Newf! hahaha... who gave me a megaphone!?

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 02:57 PM
ps.

http://tfcpics.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=5508&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=10

^ Ovechkin? took me a second to spot that something was amiss.

Wooster_TFC
04-28-2010, 03:06 PM
ps.

http://tfcpics.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=5508&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=10

^ Ovechkin? took me a second to spot that something was amiss.

At least it's red, better than those other muppets who are wearing black or blue :)

bgnewf
04-28-2010, 03:18 PM
dare I look to see what exactly a "parkdale" might be?



I dare.

wow... those are some classic pics Newf! hahaha... who gave me a megaphone!?

I think Capo Zack did If I recollect. Good times.

Parkdale
04-28-2010, 03:26 PM
I believe that was the birth of 'Tic tac Tabernack'


speaking of which, I gotta roll outta work. Game is in 3.5 hours

CretanBull
04-28-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm talking about the people implying the reason JC didn't throw Mo under the bus, is because they are both represented by the same management agency.

I also think the whole "all Mo signs is First Wave-represented players" thing is overblown too. But that's a different discussion for a different day.

That said, I'm curious to know what is "there", since you've said there is "too much there" to ignore.


Talk to any of the journalists who follow the team, I've heard some pretty interesting things...put it this way, that agency has enough of an influence and has enough pull with our team that its a constant topic of discussion.