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redangeldragnet
04-22-2010, 09:14 AM
As posted on the official site: "TFC's white shirts will make its BMO Field debut."

At least with those stupid pink shirts they had a cause, this is just to sell shirts.

BeerBaron95
04-22-2010, 09:16 AM
shaddap!!
:flare:

MKR
04-22-2010, 09:18 AM
stupid.

why would they wear their away kits at home?

The red ones look infinitely better.

Carts
04-22-2010, 09:21 AM
Ya I don't get this - but I do like the white kits...

I could see them doing this for a 1pm game in July-August, but right now, meh...

Plus, the extremely supersticious side of me says we're a perfect 1-0 in the reds, and a zero 0-3 in the whites... :(

Carts...

TFC Bhoy
04-22-2010, 09:21 AM
I hate when we wear away kits at home. Personally I think its stupid

BeerBaron95
04-22-2010, 09:22 AM
bring back da pinks lol

BeerBaron95
04-22-2010, 09:23 AM
Ya I don't get this - but I do like the white kits...

I could see them doing this for a 1pm game in July-August, but right now, meh...

Plus, the extremely supersticious side of me says we're a perfect 1-0 in the reds, and a zero 0-3 in the whites... :(

Carts...

Agree.. a li bit supersticious aswell and wearing the reds should be the obvious choice.. but if they win wearung whites.. then whatever :D

Belfast_Boy
04-22-2010, 09:23 AM
ummmm isn't this a home game?
RED at home!!!!
DUH!

Darlofletch
04-22-2010, 09:24 AM
what's next, a green jersey for st patricks day? maybe a fun retro blizzards jersey?

please stop doing this, you want to sell more shirts? concentrate on putting out a winning team, put fans in a good mood, and merch sales will go up.

Authentic football experience my arse.

Lucky Strike
04-22-2010, 09:25 AM
Ya I don't get this - but I do like the white kits...

I could see them doing this for a 1pm game in July-August, but right now, meh...

Plus, the extremely supersticious side of me says we're a perfect 1-0 in the reds, and a zero 0-3 in the whites... :(

Carts...

+1 on all counts.

Belfast_Boy
04-22-2010, 09:25 AM
MLSE is trying to sell us shirts.

bertal
04-22-2010, 09:29 AM
they seem to be creating the kids for broadcast only! the recent jerseys haven't been that great imo

ilikemusic
04-22-2010, 09:29 AM
Mickey mouse bullshit.

Cant win? Might as well try and move product.

mastermixer
04-22-2010, 09:45 AM
MLSE is trying to sell us shirts.

Exactly... cash grab.

JonO
04-22-2010, 09:47 AM
what's next, a green jersey for st patricks day?Hopefully the TFC side of MLSE are better than the NBA side of MLSE which opted to put the raptors in green for st patricks day.... against the celtics..... :facepalm:

SmokedPanda
04-22-2010, 09:50 AM
the Los Angeles Lakers wear white jerseys at home on all Sunday games, they wear the traditional gold jerseys for the other home games.

I like the Sunday whites idea

I_AM_CANADIAN
04-22-2010, 09:53 AM
Who really cares? Other clubs wear their away shirts at home as well on occasion. I can't believe people are getting butthurt about which shirt the team wears FFS. Mo being a terrible GM, MLSE being a terrible ownership group, scalpers, frat boys in 112, etc. I can understand, and agree with... but come on, people.


http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9852/retardinstricutions.jpg

SmokedPanda
04-22-2010, 09:55 AM
^can't wait until they wear the grey jerseys at home :)

jimmyjazz
04-22-2010, 09:56 AM
This Whites business is Bullshit.

I raised it 2 weeks ago in its own thread and for some reason the moderators of this Board shut it down after a few minutes.

There is no "home" uniform. Reds are our teams colours, and they wear the "alternate" in the event of a colour clash with an opponent away from BMO.

Total ATTEMPT at a cash grab by MLSE to tempt you to buy a white jersey. Dont go for it.

Jim

rocker
04-22-2010, 09:59 AM
oh when the whites....

Redcoe15
04-22-2010, 10:01 AM
We don't need to see the whites on BMO Field. Red is the colour. Stick with it!

TFCGIRL81
04-22-2010, 10:09 AM
We don't need to see the whites on BMO Field. Red is the colour. Stick with it!

I have to agree, I want to red on the field this weekend. Plus we have lost every time we have worn white :(

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 10:16 AM
to quote a wise man..... 'who cares'.
are we really surprised that the team is trying to sell something? Isn't that what they do? Are we not used to it by now?


wear your red, wear your white. hell... wear pink for all I care. Just be there and SING until your voice is gone.

Whoop
04-22-2010, 10:18 AM
Again... it's the principle of the matter.

You wear red at home......

The only time you don't wear red is when the colour clashes with your opponent.

It just looks like another distracting method.

"We'll wear white on Sunday and they'll get so pissed they'll forget about Mo."

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 10:18 AM
maybe a fun retro blizzards jersey?


and yet there's people on this board (and not necessarily RPB members) who've said a blizzard day would be a good idea. there's no pleasing everyone.

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 10:20 AM
It just looks like another distracting method.

"We'll wear white on Sunday and they'll get so pissed they'll forget about Mo."

yes, I'm sure that's the key behind everything they do.

Let's put some spicy mustard at the hotdog stands. It will distract from our manager.
Let's print 'This is our house' on the beer lids as well as the cups. that will distract from mo.
How about we honour a retiring player? that will distract from mo.

:rolleyes:

Whoop
04-22-2010, 10:22 AM
Parky... it's just stupid...

I mean I would give them more credit if they actually did think that!

Otherwise... it's just stupid...

I'm not upset about it... but geez.

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 10:24 AM
Plus we have lost every time we have worn white :(


we've done more losing in red, white, gray AND pink than we've done winning.

Darlofletch
04-22-2010, 10:50 AM
to quote a wise man..... 'who cares'.
are we really surprised that the team is trying to sell something? Isn't that what they do? Are we not used to it by now?


wear your red, wear your white. hell... wear pink for all I care. Just be there and SING until your voice is gone.

Surprised? nope, disappointed and a bit dispirited, absolutely. Obviously any business is going to try and make money, and mlse have shown they're particularly enthusiastic about that, but isn't their whole tfc brand supposed to be about an authentic football experience?

I didn't get seasons right away for tfc because, though I can put up with a mediocre MLS level of play, I thought it would be wrapped up in all the usual north american sports hoopla. The fact that it wasn't like that, and the sg's bought a real atmosphere was why I got sucked in.

I've tried to not get angry about a whole lot of extra crap they do, because it seemed that at least for those two 45 minute chunks of time, (esquire added time apart)they stuck to the game, just the game, and not the north american style, commercialised, soul sucking and wallet emptying side of things, which I was surprised by and really appreciated.

And now, it seems they can't help themselves, they've lost sight of the bigger picture and long term profitability that such an approach was bringing and would continue to bring, in favour of short term cash grabs, just little things here and there, wear pink shirts to get a bit more money, now wear white to try and sell a few more shirts. they don't even feel the need to dress this one up as a charity fund raising/awareness thing.

it's a slippery slope from this sort of thing to yellowtail yellow cards, and horns/music after we score, and all the rest of it, and this is the FO taking one more step down that slope.

other clubs do this sort of thing? sure they do, do we want to end up like fc bouncy castle though?

that's why i don't like it, and for me, it is something worth complaining about.

Carts
04-22-2010, 10:50 AM
Let's put some spicy mustard at the hotdog stands.

Hmmmmm, spicy mustard... Ok, that's it - street meat hotdog for lunch... :canada:

I'm supersticious, so if we win in white Sunday, do we go back to red b/c alternating is working? or stay in white? I'm confused... Just kidding around...

3pts is 3pts - we could win playing "shirts'n'skins" and although that would be kinda disturbing to watch, a win is a win!

Carts... :D

H Bomb
04-22-2010, 11:20 AM
to quote a wise man..... 'who cares'.
are we really surprised that the team is trying to sell something? Isn't that what they do? Are we not used to it by now?


So the argument is they are so bad that we shouldnt complain. Complacency is a bad idea here. Best idea would be red paint hucked at the players pregame but I doubt that will happen.
Everyone will still be singing regardless, so why not bring up how fucking retarded they are all the time. They tell us they want to win, and have never shown us the evidence. But they constantly show evidence of shirt sales being their number one priority. Some people see this as acceptable business sense...i am not one of those people.

redangeldragnet
04-22-2010, 11:30 AM
A real football club would never wear anything but their home kit at home, full stop.

Only recent example I can think of was Barcelona at this year's pre-season friendly at the Camp Nou vs Man City and proceeds went to charity: http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/special-barcelona-kit-for-man-city-friendly_4847

Whoop
04-22-2010, 11:32 AM
I agree with the last two posts.

shaggingscot
04-22-2010, 11:33 AM
Just another example of why MLSE just doesn't get it! We should be in red.

Season four and they start a Wall of Honour but are too stupid to realise that wearing the red kits whenever possible should be a given...:facepalm:

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 11:41 AM
A real football club would never wear anything but their home kit at home, full stop.

Only recent example I can think of was Barcelona at this year's pre-season friendly at the Camp Nou vs Man City and proceeds went to charity: http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/special-barcelona-kit-for-man-city-friendly_4847



you can't say 'full stop' and then go an post an example to the contrary.

that doesn't fit with the 'full stop'. You would just say 'stop' (as in 'next line')

redangeldragnet
04-22-2010, 11:45 AM
Duly noted.

I'll say it again properly: a real football club would never wear anything but their home kit at home, special exceptions permitted for charity friendlies or testimonials.



you can't say 'full stop' and then go an post an example to the contrary.

that doesn't fit with the 'full stop'. You would just say 'stop' (as in 'next line')

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 11:52 AM
Duly noted.

I'll say it again properly: a real football club would never wear anything but their home kit at home, special exceptions permitted for charity friendlies or testimonials.

hahaa.. thanks!

scots17
04-22-2010, 12:39 PM
Well at least when we win on Sunday, we can say we are undefeated "ALL TIME" at home in whites on a Sunday....

dumb thread!!

Super Cereal
04-22-2010, 12:43 PM
This is so overblown, who cares?

I support the team, not the colour of their home jersey.

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 12:49 PM
The 'away' kit should only be worn when there is a conflict on the road.

Its pretty obvious that they are wearing them to sell shirts, and could care less about anything else. (and it has now infected home games)

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 12:50 PM
So the argument is they are so bad that we shouldnt complain. Complacency is a bad idea here. Best idea would be red paint hucked at the players pregame but I doubt that will happen.
Everyone will still be singing regardless, so why not bring up how fucking retarded they are all the time. They tell us they want to win, and have never shown us the evidence. But they constantly show evidence of shirt sales being their number one priority. Some people see this as acceptable business sense...i am not one of those people.

This is why MOJO's retarded comments piss people off even more.

Belfast_Boy
04-22-2010, 12:52 PM
i think it's stupid and the motivation behind it is $. ML$E are trying to sell shirts.

at home we wear red. yes this seems silly, but that's how football works. what's next a 35 yard offside line?

mazinn
04-22-2010, 01:03 PM
I think the MLSE should focus on how to make the players win the games instead of using them as models to cross sell their merchandise, i mean lets face it so far we lost all the away games, why would i wear that Jersey, until then i am RED

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:11 PM
So the argument is they are so bad that we shouldnt complain. Complacency is a bad idea here. Best idea would be red paint hucked at the players pregame but I doubt that will happen.
Everyone will still be singing regardless, so why not bring up how fucking retarded they are all the time. They tell us they want to win, and have never shown us the evidence. But they constantly show evidence of shirt sales being their number one priority. Some people see this as acceptable business sense...i am not one of those people.

This.


A real football club would never wear anything but their home kit at home, full stop.

Only recent example I can think of was Barcelona at this year's pre-season friendly at the Camp Nou vs Man City and proceeds went to charity: http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/special-barcelona-kit-for-man-city-friendly_4847

This.



The 'away' kit should only be worn when there is a conflict on the road.

Its pretty obvious that they are wearing them to sell shirts, and could care less about anything else. (and it has now infected home games)

This.


This is why MOJO's retarded comments piss people off even more.

and this basically sum up my thoughts. ;)

Jeffro
04-22-2010, 01:14 PM
It's our supposed 3rd kit and it'll be worn in 4 of our first 5 games? Embarrassing.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:17 PM
^^ I thought it was replacing the grey away kit? Regardless, it should only be worn during away games where there is a conflict between jerseys.

Jeffro
04-22-2010, 01:18 PM
^^ I thought it was replacing the grey away kit? Regardless, it should only be worn during away games where there is a conflict between jerseys.

no it's actually our 3rd kit...

Macksam
04-22-2010, 01:19 PM
Surprised? nope, disappointed and a bit dispirited, absolutely. Obviously any business is going to try and make money, and mlse have shown they're particularly enthusiastic about that, but isn't their whole tfc brand supposed to be about an authentic football experience?

I didn't get seasons right away for tfc because, though I can put up with a mediocre MLS level of play, I thought it would be wrapped up in all the usual north american sports hoopla. The fact that it wasn't like that, and the sg's bought a real atmosphere was why I got sucked in.

I've tried to not get angry about a whole lot of extra crap they do, because it seemed that at least for those two 45 minute chunks of time, (esquire added time apart)they stuck to the game, just the game, and not the north american style, commercialised, soul sucking and wallet emptying side of things, which I was surprised by and really appreciated.

And now, it seems they can't help themselves, they've lost sight of the bigger picture and long term profitability that such an approach was bringing and would continue to bring, in favour of short term cash grabs, just little things here and there, wear pink shirts to get a bit more money, now wear white to try and sell a few more shirts. they don't even feel the need to dress this one up as a charity fund raising/awareness thing.

it's a slippery slope from this sort of thing to yellowtail yellow cards, and horns/music after we score, and all the rest of it, and this is the FO taking one more step down that slope.

other clubs do this sort of thing? sure they do, do we want to end up like fc bouncy castle though?

that's why i don't like it, and for me, it is something worth complaining about.
They don't do this in Europe? Chelsea and other big clubs in Europe have put out a new jersey every year for the past few seasons. What do you call that?

Music after we score? Teams in Europe do this. Didn't you watch Bayern Munich and Lyon yesterday. What happened after Robben scored?

As for using the white kits for home matches, Lyon use their black kits for Champions League home matches.

mazinn
04-22-2010, 01:19 PM
^^ I thought it was replacing the grey away kit? Regardless, it should only be worn during away games where there is a conflict between jerseys.
I agree 1000000%

Red Rat
04-22-2010, 01:20 PM
I say we respond by bringing white flags to the stadium, clean white flags and they will get the point.


rr

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:22 PM
How about a bigass banner:

WE'RE HERE FOR FOOTBALL, NOT MERCH.

Hitcho
04-22-2010, 01:23 PM
The 'away' kit should only be worn when there is a conflict on the road.

Its pretty obvious that they are wearing them to sell shirts, and could NOT care less about anything else. (and it has now infected home games)

fixed... :D

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 01:24 PM
My grammar is admittedly BAD.

Thanks for the edit. :D

Hitcho
04-22-2010, 01:25 PM
I say we respond by bringing white flags to the stadium, clean white flags and they will get the point.


rr

Best response is turn up in red and refuse to buy a white shirt. as long as they're making plenty of money, MLSE wont care what flags you wave in the stands (unless it says Mo Must Go on it apparently...)

TheKing7
04-22-2010, 01:27 PM
It could be worse...

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/throw-seattle-attack-does-electric-boogaloo
:facepalm:

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 01:28 PM
How about I crap in a white bed sheet and throw it on the field?

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 01:28 PM
It could be worse...

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/throw-seattle-attack-does-electric-boogaloo
:facepalm:

Their first jersey was bad enough.

Whoop
04-22-2010, 01:31 PM
They don't do this in Europe? Chelsea and other big clubs in Europe have put out a new jersey every year for the past few seasons. What do you call that?

Music after we score? Teams in Europe do this. Didn't you watch Bayern Munich and Lyon yesterday. What happened after Robben scored?

As for using the white kits for home matches, Lyon use their black kits for Champions League home matches.

Every German team has a Tor Hymne.

But for the white kit... I could understand if it was being used for the first time against Montreal.

Anyway...

TheKing7
04-22-2010, 01:31 PM
Their first jersey was bad enough.

I don't understand when the kit will ever be worn, they already have a green strip which doesn't clash with any other team kit in the league...

Wagner
04-22-2010, 01:33 PM
no it's actually our 3rd kit...

they scrapped the grey.
that's why it's on sale everywhere.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:34 PM
they scrapped the grey.
that's why it's on sale everywhere.


That's what I thought...

Don Julio
04-22-2010, 01:36 PM
As far as football traditions are concerned I can't think of one that's less important to me.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:37 PM
As far as football traditions are concerned I can't think of one that's less important to me.

It doesn't bother you that the club seems to be concerned with Merch sales more than the onfield product????

Belfast_Boy
04-22-2010, 01:38 PM
How about I crap in a white bed sheet and throw it on the field?


it would probably be better on D than Garcia!

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 01:43 PM
I was considering picking up the white jersey. I really like the look of it.

But cash is short already for me, and the way the season is going I'll probably hold off.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:44 PM
TBH, I'd love to have the white kit. It looks great and it's something we have been asking for since before we even kicked a football.

That said, I haven't and will not be buying any merch for a while unless it's severely discounted.

Whoop
04-22-2010, 01:47 PM
LOL... me too Shags.

IF I buy it, I usually wait until the following season and go to the National Sports outlet in Pickering and get it for like $30. LOL

Sonny Cheeba
04-22-2010, 01:47 PM
TO-GA
TO-GA
TO-GA

if they were planning on wearing them. they should have just done so and shut the fuck up about it instead of making it the fashion show that it is.

we should also be getting updates on boot colours chosen by O'Brien White.

Whoop
04-22-2010, 01:48 PM
Is he going to wear Batty blue boots too now? Or batty purple ones? LOL

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:49 PM
LOL... me too Shags.

IF I buy it, I usually wait until the following season and go to the National Sports outlet in Pickering and get it for like $30. LOL


LOL I haven't paid over $50 for a TFC kit yet...

Last purchase:

1x Large Away Kit '09
1x Large Boys Away Kit '09 (for gf)
1x Large TFC white shorts '08
1x TFC bracelet (for gf)

Total with shipping: $83 and change LOL

Sonny Cheeba
04-22-2010, 01:50 PM
Is he going to wear Batty blue boots too now? Or batty purple ones? LOL

he fuckin better not.

i have far too much fun referring to opposition players as "batty blue boots" and "batty pink boots"

he pulled out some yellows last week.... so we'll see what happens.

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 01:51 PM
TBH, I'd love to have the white kit. It looks great and it's something we have been asking for since before we even kicked a football.


I have come to realized that some people (not you in particular shags) get a lot of enjoyment out of critisizing things and looking for 'hidden motives' behind things. Sure TFC is pushing the white so people buy kits. Find me any team in the word that doesn't try to sell their jersey to fans. Sure other teams will respect the 'home colour' tradition and not use an away kit at home, but it doesn't change that people are selling jerseys.

in the end, if we were winning, this thread wouldn't exist.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:54 PM
I have come to realized that some people (not you in particular shags) get a lot of enjoyment out of critisizing things and looking for 'hidden motives' behind things. Sure TFC is pushing the white so people buy kits. Find me any team in the word that doesn't try to sell their jersey to fans. Sure other teams will respect the 'home colour' tradition and not use an away kit at home, but it doesn't change that people are selling jerseys.

in the end, if we were winning, this thread wouldn't exist.


I would agree. My point is that TFC is doing a great job of pushing this jersey, but doesn't seem to be doing a great job of managing the club. In 4 years they've established that they are very good marketers, but terrible football club owners.

My $0.02.

I've never once seen another club wear an away jersey at home, unless as stated there was some special reasoning behind it. THAT is frustrating when it's plainly obvious the club isn't focusing on the aspects it should be.

Whoop
04-22-2010, 01:55 PM
in the end, if we were winning, this thread wouldn't exist.

Half this board wouldn't exist!

But that's the point isn't... we're not winning.

If the team was a) the thread wouldn't exist and b) the team wouldn't be so concerned about the off field stuff.

You win... the off field stuff, for the most part, takes care of itself.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 01:56 PM
ZZZZZZZZZactly Whoop. Fuckin' mind reading cocksucker! LOL

Sonny Cheeba
04-22-2010, 01:59 PM
ZZZZZZZZZactly Whoop. Fuckin' mind reading cocksucker! LOL

if MLSE were smart enough, they would understand that we live in a bandwagon city.

right now. the only bandwagoning happening is from the whole footie experience crowd.....

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 02:00 PM
Sad thing is Cheebz... they DO realize it. Hence why they're cashing in while they can LOL

Sonny Cheeba
04-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Sad thing is Cheebz... they DO realize it. Hence why they're cashing in while they can LOL

they're limited to the fans they have now.... i don't think they're expanding the fanbase anymore.

so yeah they're cashing in on whoever cares right now before they fall off...

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 02:10 PM
Yup, that's how it looks to me as well...

Thing is, if they actually fielded a winning team... there's plenty of footy fans to cash in on around the GTA.

Sonny Cheeba
04-22-2010, 02:12 PM
Yup, that's how it looks to me as well...

Thing is, if they actually fielded a winning team... there's plenty of footy fans to cash in on around the GTA.

^yup. and sports fans in general..... not a lot to celebrate around here.

jabbronies
04-22-2010, 02:12 PM
I would agree. My point is that TFC is doing a great job of pushing this jersey, but doesn't seem to be doing a great job of managing the club. In 4 years they've established that they are very good marketers, but terrible football club owners.

My $0.02.

I've never once seen another club wear an away jersey at home, unless as stated there was some special reasoning behind it. THAT is frustrating when it's plainly obvious the club isn't focusing on the aspects it should be.

This is totally a way to show off the new kits at home to help boost sales. I guess current away kit sales are not as great as they expected.

I mean, they are the REDS...people would rather buy a red kit. As oppose to a grey or white kit. (from a casual fan view point)

I don't think they are terrible football club owners. You have to give them half credit.

They brought in grass, spent the money on DP, spend the max salary cap, they listen to the fans as far as how the in stadium experience should be run, they added more seats to get more people in the stands. they are doing what it takes to make a football team successful from a business side of things.

I think their problem is that they run the on-field side of things like a corporation instead of like a sports team. I think that's where they need to change.

They have Mo doing the job of what most teams have the coach doing. They've given this guy way more time then he should have been allowed. Success on the field is about winning and if you are not winning you have to make changes. We haven't been winning for 3 straight years and this year is beginning to look like another looser. This is unacceptable in sports IMO.

Sports is about winning. plain and simple.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 02:16 PM
In essence though, adding things like extra seats and being 'supportive' of the fans is just fluff stuff. Makes them look good and keeps people off their back for a bit.

I do agree though, in that side of things, especially with the grass, they've done a decent enough job. The actual 'running' of the football club has been terrible and that's more what I was getting at.

Darlofletch
04-22-2010, 02:19 PM
They don't do this in Europe? Chelsea and other big clubs in Europe have put out a new jersey every year for the past few seasons. What do you call that?

Music after we score? Teams in Europe do this. Didn't you watch Bayern Munich and Lyon yesterday. What happened after Robben scored?

As for using the white kits for home matches, Lyon use their black kits for Champions League home matches.

All teams put new jerseys out and try to sell them, what do I call that? fair enough as long as they respect the game itself. When they start using the players and the 90 minutes to sell all this, that's when I have a problem with it.

Didn't watch Bayern/Lyon no, but I know that a lot of teams now play music after goals or have stupid fucking mascots. I don't really know enough about the rest of europe to comment, but in england, they really seem to have gone in for all the north american type stuff, Ironically enough, you're more likely to find an old style "proper, authentic" football atmosphere here than you are in england.

doesn't mean we have to do it as well though. (edit: we're not at the playing music/mascot stage yet, but that's my hypothetical slippery slope destination if this in game shirt advertising kind of thing keeps escalating)

I'm just expressing a personal opinion, some people obviously don't mind, and some people obviously like and actively want this sort of thing.

jabbronies
04-22-2010, 02:29 PM
In essence though, adding things like extra seats and being 'supportive' of the fans is just fluff stuff. Makes them look good and keeps people off their back for a bit.

I do agree though, in that side of things, especially with the grass, they've done a decent enough job. The actual 'running' of the football club has been terrible and that's more what I was getting at.

But doesn't Mo run the club, the football side of things?

I guess one could argue that MLSE keeps him there, thus it's their fault for the on field product as well.

I guess I'm just playing devils advocate.

Phil
04-22-2010, 02:35 PM
There are other things they do right, like the acadamy, goltv, grass and what others have pointed out.

Hard to get past a team that doesnt play though.

I dont even want the wins as much as I want to see effort. They could wear those pink travesties they had last year and it wouldnt make a difference as long as they play that honest 90 minutes.

jloome
04-22-2010, 02:45 PM
I would agree. My point is that TFC is doing a great job of pushing this jersey, but doesn't seem to be doing a great job of managing the club. In 4 years they've established that they are very good marketers, but terrible football club owners.

My $0.02.

I've never once seen another club wear an away jersey at home, unless as stated there was some special reasoning behind it. THAT is frustrating when it's plainly obvious the club isn't focusing on the aspects it should be.

I've seen it a few times, when the kits clashed. But it's pretty rare.

Shep
04-22-2010, 02:47 PM
White shirts @ home this weekend? Sounds fine to me, not sure what all the fuss is about, besides that people seem to want to get upset about every little thing.

Some ppl are upset that they might be trying to push merch sales? lol, it's a business, not a non-profit organization...and every dollar made only helps the club. What, you want TFC to lose $ or make nothing?

oi..

looking forward to seeing the white kit live

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 02:48 PM
White shirts @ home this weekend? Sounds fine to me, not sure what all the fuss is about, besides that people seem to want to get upset about every little thing.

Some ppl are upset that they might be trying to push merch sales? lol, it's a business, not a non-profit organization...and every dollar made only helps the club. What, you want TFC to lose $ or make nothing?

oi..

looking forward to seeing the white kit live


Again, it's the fact that they seem to care more about Merch sales than the on-field product.

TFC makes plenty of money as is. In fact, they would probably have no problem running a profit this year, without the white jerseys.

rocker
04-22-2010, 02:55 PM
Again, it's the fact that they seem to care more about Merch sales than the on-field product.

I don't think so... it's not like it's that much work to put out a shirt that adidas designed.


It doesn't have to be one or the other, or one doesn't have to be compared to the other. It's just that off-field stuff like merch is predictable and controllable, and has succeeded while onfield has not.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 02:58 PM
Man....

I'm not saying they can't push the jerseys, but this is now 4 times they will have worn the jersey, once at home. We are called the REDS, correct? Why are we wearing anything BUT red at home? Pink, special occasion... fine. White away kit... at home??? Why? They want to sell jerseys that's why. Greedy, greedy, greedy.

DichioTFC
04-22-2010, 03:03 PM
i like the whites. maybe when we win with them at home, we'll be able to win with them on the road
:D

Phil
04-22-2010, 03:09 PM
Man....

I'm not saying they can't push the jerseys, but this is now 4 times they will have worn the jersey, once at home. We are called the REDS, correct? Why are we wearing anything BUT red at home? Pink, special occasion... fine. White away kit... at home??? Why? They want to sell jerseys that's why. Greedy, greedy, greedy.

I heard this was the only game where they would be wearing the white at home.

I am not a big fan of not wearing red at home for the record but I am not upset over it either....better than the pink.

menefreghista
04-22-2010, 03:12 PM
I'm not saying they can't push the jerseys, but this is now 4 times they will have worn the jersey, once at home. We are called the REDS, correct? Why are we wearing anything BUT red at home? Pink, special occasion... fine. White away kit... at home??? Why? They want to sell jerseys that's why. Greedy, greedy, greedy.

Agreed.

To go even further, I would like to see them were red on the road as well unless it clashes with our opponent.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 03:21 PM
I heard this was the only game where they would be wearing the white at home.

I am not a big fan of not wearing red at home for the record but I am not upset over it either....better than the pink.

It doesn't bother me that we're wearing white, it just shows the priority of the owners IMO... and it's definitely not the product on the pitch.


Agreed.

To go even further, I would like to see them were red on the road as well unless it clashes with our opponent.

Agreed. Red, unless it's not viable.

Brooker
04-22-2010, 03:29 PM
I just want a win. I don't care what color they wear.

Really, who cares? Is it that big of a deal?

deltox
04-22-2010, 03:32 PM
we should still be wearing the grey when we play Dallas or Chivas away.

wearing red or white would conflict with their home kits.


they wear their third jersey when they play here...i think we will wear the grey when we are there

AL-MO
04-22-2010, 03:32 PM
Agreed.

To go even further, I would like to see them were red on the road as well unless it clashes with our opponent.


Same.

Gotta feed the monster though.

Don Julio
04-22-2010, 03:45 PM
It doesn't bother you that the club seems to be concerned with Merch sales more than the onfield product????

On one hand, I really don't see how wanting to sell merch is at odds with having a good football team. It's not like our team collapses in the 2nd half of every game because there's so many shirts sold.

On the other hand, I fully support the team's efforts to generate revenue through merch & concessions sales. For the club and the league to grow it's important that revenues continue to increase. This is the kind of revenue that we can spend on another DP, or "more" scouts, or a roof, or whatever.

Sure *gasp* there will be some profit, but it is a business.

That said, I won't be buying one, but I'm not going to have a little shit fit because the team is wearing white shirts.

Darlofletch
04-22-2010, 03:49 PM
White shirts @ home this weekend? Sounds fine to me, not sure what all the fuss is about, besides that people seem to want to get upset about every little thing.

Some ppl are upset that they might be trying to push merch sales? lol, it's a business, not a non-profit organization...and every dollar made only helps the club. What, you want TFC to lose $ or make nothing?

oi..

looking forward to seeing the white kit live

I prefer to see them as a football team, even if just for 90 minutes a week, but if you're all business, then good for you, you must be loving the balance sheets they put out.

If i can be melodramatic for a moment.

What is a football club really? what are we cheering? what were we cheering three years ago? what will we be cheering for decades from now?

players come and go, management (hopefully) comes and goes, we could potentially move stadiums, there are very few tangible things that make up a club, last throughout it's history, give it a soul if you will.

The Badge, and the Colours. that's it. aside from the fans, those are the only thing that will remain constant down the years.

fill in the blanks

come on you ....
oh when ... .... go marching in.
they built the house on lakeshore for ... ....
Nous chantons ... ...... allez

so yeah, it bothers me when they start messing around with it for the sake of a few shirt sales.

Come out with different designs, different away colours if you want, sell as many as you can, put a fucking sponsor on the shirt if you really must, but don't mess with the basics to the point where we're in the alternate colour for 80% of the games, only one of which was necessary, maybe.

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 03:55 PM
I prefer to see them as a football team, even if just for 90 minutes a week, but if you're all business, then good for you, you must be loving the balance sheets they put out.

If i can be melodramatic for a moment.

What is a football club really? what are we cheering? what were we cheering three years ago? what will we be cheering for decades from now?

players come and go, management (hopefully) comes and goes, we could potentially move stadiums, there are very few tangible things that make up a club, last throughout it's history, give it a soul if you will.

The Badge, and the Colours. that's it. aside from the fans, those are the only thing that will remain constant down the years.

fill in the blanks

come on you ....
oh when ... .... go marching in.
they built the house on lakeshore for ... ....
Nous chantons ... ...... allez

so yeah, it bothers me when they start messing around with it for the sake of a few shirt sales.

Come out with different designs, different away colours if you want, sell as many as you can, put a fucking sponsor on the shirt if you really must, but don't mess with the basics to the point where we're in the alternate colour for 80% of the games, only one of which was necessary, maybe.


Fucking perfect post.

J .
04-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Mickey mouse bullshit.



Agreed

__wowza
04-22-2010, 04:04 PM
i really, really, really don't understand why anyone cares.
they're debuting their new jersey's at BMO. don't buy them if you don't want to. casual fans who see them won't care that they're debuting them. people who were going to be buying them anyways (like myself) are going to buy them regardless and not in spite of them. i highly doubt people are going to be sitting around going "HOLY SHIT I WANT ONE!" when they see them on the field, and if they are, they won't be anymore than usual then people do with the reds.

plus, we're speculating that they're wearing them to boost merch sales, then running with that speculation. come on guys, we're better than that. it's just one game.

jabbronies
04-22-2010, 04:05 PM
Man....

I'm not saying they can't push the jerseys, but this is now 4 times they will have worn the jersey, once at home. We are called the REDS, correct? Why are we wearing anything BUT red at home? Pink, special occasion... fine. White away kit... at home??? Why? They want to sell jerseys that's why. Greedy, greedy, greedy.
:hump:

Shaughno
04-22-2010, 04:06 PM
i really, really, really don't understand why anyone cares.
they're debuting their new jersey's at BMO. don't buy them if you don't want to. casual fans who see them won't care that they're debuting them. people who were going to be buying them anyways (like myself) are going to buy them regardless and not in spite of them. i highly doubt people are going to be sitting around going "HOLY SHIT I WANT ONE!" when they see them on the field, and if they are, they won't be anymore than usual then people do with the reds.

plus, we're speculating that they're wearing them to boost merch sales, then running with that speculation. come on guys, we're better than that. it's just one game.


Find me another justifiable reason why the REDS are wearing WHITE at HOME and I'll gladly shut my trap on the subject.

__wowza
04-22-2010, 04:09 PM
Find me another justifiable reason why the REDS are wearing WHITE at HOME and I'll gladly shut my trap on the subject.


i could say that they're wearing them because they'd like to debut their white jersey's at home and didn't wanna do it for the home opener with all of the other shit they had to worry about. if anyone would like to debate my other point about it not doing shit for their merchandise sales (i was buying one regardless the second they get them in long sleeve) i'd like to hear it.
no need to shut traps, just throwing in my two cents.

Super Cereal
04-22-2010, 05:11 PM
We are called the REDS, correct?
Last I checked we were called Toronto FC.

king dave
04-22-2010, 05:17 PM
I will wear what I fucking want to wear.
And it won't be red, and it won't be white.
It will be what I choose at the last minute.
Just as this team is chosen.
KD.

Phil
04-22-2010, 05:21 PM
I will wear what I fucking want to wear.
And it won't be red, and it won't be white.
It will be what I choose at the last minute.
Just as this team is chosen.
KD.

Argyle?

Parkdale
04-22-2010, 06:05 PM
http://www.kelleysislandcountryclub.com/ThreeStoogesGolf.jpg

canadian_bhoy
04-22-2010, 07:45 PM
I thought I already posted in this thread...but I guess not.

TFC should always wear red unless it clashes with the opponent. Whether it be home or away, if they can wear red, they should.

White kit at home vs a team in green just plain sucks. Not as bad as the pink, but still no use. We are the reds.

Don't get me wrong, the white kit is nice, but it's the alternate shirt, not the Red of TFC.

Having said that - would have preferred a dark grey kit instead of white. White is such a cliche "any team" away shirt.

Bombonera
04-22-2010, 08:03 PM
THe gods are clearly not pleased. It's supposed to rain and be cold.

"COME ON YOU WHIIIITES!" COME ON YOU WHIIIIITES!! Prefect.

FluSH
04-22-2010, 09:48 PM
I hated the pinks b/c I thought it was a pure marketing grab... then I got used to them and liked them... now I hate the Whites!

Broadview
04-23-2010, 11:04 AM
THe gods are clearly not pleased. It's supposed to rain and be cold.


Sounds like it may be a little nippley on Sunday. This thought has made me go from ambivalent over the choice of wearing the whites to joining the masses in calling for a return of the red!

Jeffro
04-24-2010, 04:45 PM
Aparently we're going to wear the greys at home against Montreal on Wednesday as well....

Jay P
04-24-2010, 08:12 PM
we are not the only team doing this, Chicago is wearing white tonight @ home vs houston

Hustle
04-25-2010, 08:08 AM
"We are not the only ones doing this" does not make it right.

Davenport
04-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Mickey mouse bullshit.

Cant win? Might as well try and move product.

A joke idea.......and they'll look like shit after 10 minutes when they're covered in mud with all the slide tackles etc..........


This weather's going to keep a lot away.
It will be half full at best.

greatwhitenorf
04-25-2010, 10:32 AM
Lose today and those white shirts might as well be sold afterward with a black armband attached as our playoff chances will be dead.

Won't buy any new merchandise or concessions until they make the playoffs.

James17930
04-25-2010, 12:59 PM
I had a thought -- not saying it's a good thought, and I have no way to know if it's valid or not, but:

What if the players are having trouble picking each other out in their red kits given that the entirety of BMO Field is red? Maybe the players on the field tend to fade into the sea of red in the stands too much.

Maybe them in white would make it easier to pick each other out on cross-field passes.

I have a feeling that's why Seattle when with that neon green shit -- their regular green shit blended in with everything else too much.

Blowing Bubbles
04-25-2010, 12:59 PM
This is such a nothingburger imo. I mean if they start alternating jerseys ever game over the course of a year it could get annoying, but to debut the White jersey, what's the big deal?

Also lol @ authentic football experience. Big clubs in Europe look to suck every dollar out of your wallet as well, sports is business.

I have noticed cheerleaders during half time on multiple occasions watching S. American football games on GolTV.

Everybody is looking to sell something.

MFG1
04-25-2010, 01:29 PM
doesnt white mean conceding defeat?

Broadview
04-25-2010, 05:03 PM
The Whites are all right!

No washing them on the winning streak though ;)

Dero has to keep clean shaven too.

Carts
04-25-2010, 07:01 PM
We've won in red at home...

We've won in white at home...

There was a post/rumor we were wearing the Grey's on Wednesday...

Here's hoping we pull of the 3-for-3 run of wins/jerseys at home :)

Carts...

kitchener-TFC
04-25-2010, 07:46 PM
We have a HOME Jersey for a reason, and an AWAY jersey for a reason. Why must we complicate things? Wear red at home, and white on the road.

FOGES
04-25-2010, 08:19 PM
bollocks to all you White jersey haters!

All-Time TFC wins #'s:
Grey kit - 1
Pink Kit - 1
White Kit - 1 .....gotta start somewhere!

but seriously....Red kits forever at home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!