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tfcmanu
04-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Pablo Vitti:

Plays For: Club Deportivo Universidad San Martín de Porres is a Peruvian (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Peruvian) football (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Football_(soccer)) club, 2008 CHAMPS.

5 APPEARANCES 3 GOALS @ This pace he will get MVP...I Just don't get it, When he played for TFC BIG FAIL :(

Will see at the end of the Peruvian season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_San_Mart%C3%ADn_de_Porres

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Shaughno
04-08-2010, 01:06 PM
I've been following him... and yeah, it's a less physical league. More suited to his ball holding and technical skills.

grizzle
04-08-2010, 01:15 PM
I think part of the reason these players fail at TFC is unfortunately this is a team sport and its very hard for anyone to do it all on their own (other than Messi of course). If nobody can get the ball up to them its hard for them to put it in that net.

Jack
04-08-2010, 01:15 PM
It was the curse of the FieldTurf!

deeznutz
04-08-2010, 01:17 PM
Game style of the MLS is diff than others?

Roogsy
04-08-2010, 01:19 PM
This is totally about style and coaching.

In Toronto, he was never going to be the point guy who can score. But if we had one more player "Guevara-like", Vitti would have shined brighter than a diamond.

MLS teams figured him out, realized his style was different and how they could defend it (because he had no outlets) and shut him down.

This all comes back to how to build a team and give it identity. People never realized that without that identity you can't ask players to perform at the level they can. I always knew Vitti had it in him and I wish him well whereever he plays.

What we need now is to hopefully someday have management smart enough to realize that is what this team needs as well. Style and identity. Right now, this team has no idea what it's about. It's a mish-mash collection of players that don't fit together. I get the feeling Preki is trying to change that (good) but I don't agree how he has gone about it (bad).

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 01:20 PM
I was literally drooling at the thought of having Vitti, Guevara and JDG all working the midfield this year... then November hit :rofl:

fetajr
04-08-2010, 01:21 PM
"no boot it up the field and hope for the best" mentality in south america.. Vitti can shine

Belfast_Boy
04-08-2010, 01:23 PM
This is totally about style and coaching.

In Toronto, he was never going to be the point guy who can score. But if we had one more player "Guevara-like", Vitti would have shined brighter than a diamond.

MLS teams figured him out, realized his style was different and how they could defend it (because he had no outlets) and shut him down.

This all comes back to how to build a team and give it identity. People never realized that without that identity you can't ask players to perform at the level they can. I always knew Vitti had it in him and I wish him well whereever he plays.

What we need now is to hopefully someday have management smart enough to realize that is what this team needs as well. Style and identity. Right now, this team has no idea what it's about. It's a mish-mash collection of players that don't fit together. I get the feeling Preki is trying to change that (good) but I don't agree how he has gone about it (bad).


totally agree, at first I wasn't a big Vitti fan. but gave him a chance and watched. he's a talented man. but didn't fit here. hope he does well.

and Roogsy! you're everywhere today! got time on your hands or just had a lot of coffee?

Roogsy
04-08-2010, 01:23 PM
I was literally drooling at the thought of having Vitti, Guevara and JDG all working the midfield this year... then November hit :rofl:


Too bad this team can't identify opportunities.

A Vitti, Guevara, JDG, DeRo midfield is potent.

All they would have needed to address is the defensive core and you'd have a team that would have made noise.

Instead they shipped off Guevara (that's a debateable call, the World Cup was going to take his attention this year and he does NOT get along with Preki) and actually weakened the backline. :facepalm:

Whoop
04-08-2010, 01:24 PM
I was literally drooling at the thought of having Vitti, Guevara and JDG all working the midfield this year... then November hit :rofl:

It would have been something to see.

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 01:25 PM
But how do you fit that into a cap without paying out your ass in allocations... probably the piece of the puzzle that didn't fit....

KdotOdot
04-08-2010, 01:28 PM
I was literally drooling at the thought of having Vitti, Guevara and JDG all working the midfield this year... then November hit :rofl:

Wake me up...when November ends.

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 01:29 PM
Wake me up...when November ends.


Wish I didn't wake up... LOL

maninb
04-08-2010, 01:33 PM
The nets must be 40 feet wide....that the only way Vitti could possibly hit them...never seen a player miss as many wide open chances from within 6 feet of goal...

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 01:35 PM
The nets must be 40 feet wide....that the only way Vitti could possibly hit them...never seen a player miss as many wide open chances from within 6 feet of goal...


He didn't really take that many chance, I thought anyway. Not compared to Barrett... or even DeRo to be fair.

maninb
04-08-2010, 01:40 PM
He didn't really take that many chance, I thought anyway. Not compared to Barrett... or even DeRo to be fair.


Sure Barrett lacks accuracy, but hell ya gotta admire the way the guy works for his chances...I'm hoping that working with Preki (who was a pretty good sniper in his day) can help Barrett...

profit89
04-08-2010, 01:41 PM
No quality service in MLS... makes it tough

KdotOdot
04-08-2010, 01:41 PM
Nothing will help Barrett. sniff***sniff***

TFC Tifoso
04-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Sure Barrett lacks accuracy, but hell ya gotta admire the way the guy works for his chances...I'm hoping that working with Preki (who was a pretty good sniper in his day) can help Barrett...

yep, and if this was elementary school, where you get those nice "participation" ribbons for sports, then Barrett would've been great......

unfortunately he is getting paid a nice amount of cash to SCORE GOALS....

backbeat
04-08-2010, 01:55 PM
I wonder how much they're paying Vitti there. I bet it's nowhere near $300,000, closer to $100,000 - we could/should have absolutely kept him and renegotiated his contract. I'm sure Preki said no.

Damien
04-08-2010, 01:57 PM
Its funny that everyone says its a more physical league yet there are tons of latin players that flourish in the MLS... i guess we gotta stop recruiting pussies.

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 02:02 PM
I wonder how much they're paying Vitti there. I bet it's nowhere near $300,000, closer to $100,000 - we could/should have absolutely kept him and renegotiated his contract. I'm sure Preki said no.

He didn't work hard enough for Preki's system IMO... but I would have loved to keep him personally.


Its funny that everyone says its a more physical league yet there are tons of latin players that flourish in the MLS... i guess we gotta stop recruiting pussies.

It is a pretty physical league. A lot of the Latin based leagues are a very different, slower, calculated kind of play. Lots of chipping at ankles, but less body to body contact.

Damien
04-08-2010, 02:07 PM
It is a pretty physical league. A lot of the Latin based leagues are a very different, slower, calculated kind of play. Lots of chipping at ankles, but less body to body contact.

Yeh, I saw a Colombian soccer game and the players hold the ball max 1.5 seconds then pass, and its pretty fluent play.
pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-SHOT... repeat for opposing team.

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Yeh, I saw a Colombian soccer game and the players hold the ball max 1.5 seconds then pass, and its pretty fluent play.
pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-SHOT... repeat for opposing team.

Yep, one-two touch football. It's a great system if you have the players to work it.. unfortunately, the only time we really had the players to play that system was the last 1/4 of last season...

Damien
04-08-2010, 02:11 PM
Yep, one-two touch football. It's a great system if you have the players to work it.. unfortunately, the only time we really had the players to play that system was the last 1/4 of last season...

yep, and we'd probably need a latin coach for that... judging by what Preki's system has shown, it doesnt seem like touch football.

Roogsy
04-08-2010, 02:16 PM
The game that Barcelona plays resembles very closely to the Latin style but improves on it. The Latin style is too committed to itself that it fails to look beyond and take elements from other styles that can complement and improve the game. That is what Barcelona does. It requires the skill of a Latin system with the ability to open the game like the English style. Which is why they are so effective.

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 02:18 PM
yep, and we'd probably need a latin coach for that... judging by what Preki's system has shown, it doesnt seem like touch football.

We'll play exactly how Chivas has the past few years... except with a better midfield engine to work with.


The game that Barcelona plays resembles very closely to the Latin style but improves on it. The Latin style is too committed to itself that it fails to look beyond and take elements from other styles that can complement and improve the game. That is what Barcelona does. It requires the skill of a Latin system with the ability to open the game like the English style. Which is why they are so effective.


Exactly. If there was another team in Europe that I would support, it would be Barca. I fucking LOVE watching them play. Most complete team in the world right now, I have no problem admitting that.

Damien
04-08-2010, 02:19 PM
The game that Barcelona plays resembles very closely to the Latin style but improves on it. The Latin style is too committed to itself that it fails to look beyond and take elements from other styles that can complement and improve the game. That is what Barcelona does. It requires the skill of a Latin system with the ability to open the game like the English style. Which is why they are so effective.

This should Toronto FC's mission statement.

Grow with the game with benefits from different styles of football.

profit89
04-08-2010, 02:29 PM
Vitti would have done well on grass. Excellent ball handling skills.

J .
04-08-2010, 02:39 PM
Vitti had tons of chances to finish at TFC at home and on the road. He didnt. Thats not coaching, teams, grass or plastic, that is on him and on him alone.

fetajr
04-08-2010, 02:42 PM
It is a pretty physical league. A lot of the Latin based leagues are a very different, slower, calculated kind of play. Lots of chipping at ankles, but less body to body contact.

do you watch the games from Argentina or Copa Libertadores?.. on top of being very skillfull, it also looks very fast, phyiscal and intense to me

prizby
04-08-2010, 03:11 PM
Remember Conor Casey

First year in MLS: 2 goals

Pablo Vitti

First year in MLS: 2 goals

nuff said

Shaughno
04-08-2010, 03:12 PM
do you watch the games from Argentina or Copa Libertadores?.. on top of being very skillfull, it also looks very fast, phyiscal and intense to me


I don't get to very often, but I don't think the league he's in now is quite comparable to those leagues... there's a reason he's not playing in Argentina anymore... ;)

FluSH
04-08-2010, 04:02 PM
I've been following him... and yeah, it's a less physical league. More suited to his ball holding and technical skills.

When ever I read a quote like this it translates to: Your Latino Style of play is no good here...

lol

in Vitti's case it's true!

gtaguy
04-08-2010, 05:24 PM
with all sincerity i think the pressure got to vitti.. I still remember some of his runs that really messed up opponents defence but when it came to finishing. Well we all know the story.. Its the TFC curse we can bring in the best striker in the world to toronto and somehow the soccer gods don't shine their light on us.. cunny, casey,buddle,vitti, the list go on... :facepalm:

jloome
04-08-2010, 05:41 PM
Vitti's confidence as a striker was shot before he got to us, with 2 goals in four years, or something like that. He almost never took a shot when he had a chance and appeared as if he wasn't ready to fail.

If they hadn't called back that first goal he scored on the feed from Danny D, on which he was onside but called off, maybe everything changes.

DichioTFC
04-08-2010, 05:48 PM
i think vitti's problem was that he cost too much. imagine being his agent and promoting the fact that hes a 24 year old CF / MF that could play the wing, had playmaking ability and definite flair; there's no way we could afford his potential.

DichioTFC
04-08-2010, 05:48 PM
with all sincerity i think the pressure got to vitti.. I still remember some of his runs that really messed up opponents defence but when it came to finishing. Well we all know the story.. Its the TFC curse we can bring in the best striker in the world to toronto and somehow the soccer gods don't shine their light on us.. cunny, casey,buddle,vitti, the list go on... :facepalm:

OBW will break the curse in two years. count on it.
:D

Whoop
04-08-2010, 05:50 PM
^^
In two years?

We need goals now! LOL

dannyd
04-08-2010, 06:09 PM
Wow people are surprised another tfc player shines after joining another team. He's joined a long list of players that proves our problem is management, not players...
I've been saying this since season one and used to get crucified on this board. I was the only person who said Marshall was one of the best defenders in the league and everyone discredited me. Now people are finally beginning to understand. We will never win anything with Mo Johnston in charge - I've been saying this since day one. Hopefully Preki will make most of the decisions this year.

DichioTFC
04-08-2010, 06:16 PM
^^
In two years?

We need goals now! LOL

are you unfamiliar with MoJo's seven year plan?
:D

TFCRegina
04-08-2010, 06:32 PM
Pablo Vitti:

Plays For: Club Deportivo Universidad San Martín de Porres is a Peruvian (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Peruvian) football (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Football_%28soccer%29) club, 2008 CHAMPS.

5 APPEARANCES 3 GOALS @ This pace he will get MVP...I Just don't get it, When he played for TFC BIG FAIL :(

Will see at the end of the Peruvian season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_San_Mart%C3%ADn_de_Porres

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Pablo Vitti was fucking shitty.

dannyd
04-08-2010, 06:47 PM
Pablo Vitti was fucking shitty.
yeah, and so was Connor Casey, Edson Buddle, Colin Samuel, Tyrone Marshall, Todd Dunivant, Laurent Robert, Eskandarian, Joey Melo, Djekanovic, Julius James, Carlos Ruiz, Adrian Serioux, Johann Smith, Marco Velez, Rohan Ricketts, Jeff Cunningham...

yeah, they all sucked WHEN THEY PLAYED FOR TFC, yet were successful with other teams. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE CLUB'S MANAGEMENT AND CULTURE!!!???

Ontario Arab
04-08-2010, 06:56 PM
Vitti is a flash in the pan player....he will continue to suck.......on another note......in reality, DUFC are looking at this guy as a "backup" kind of player, I dont think he has any real future playing for DUFC considering the attacking options we currently have stockpiled, so I was wondering why TFC are not going for players like this with a proven track record, pretty sure TFC could land this guy if we really tried...????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_ter_Heide

Correct me if Im wrong which I may be but I think he is playing in the Dutch 3RD Division at the moment....pretty sure MLS and TFC is way more appealing than that.....just a thought like.

Yep I was wrong its the Dutch 1st which is 2nd tier. Seems like a player tbh.

jloome
04-08-2010, 07:31 PM
Vitti is a flash in the pan player....he will continue to suck.......on another note......in reality, DUFC are looking at this guy as a "backup" kind of player, I dont think he has any real future playing for DUFC considering the attacking options we currently have stockpiled, so I was wondering why TFC are not going for players like this with a proven track record, pretty sure TFC could land this guy if we really tried...????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_ter_Heide

Correct me if Im wrong which I may be but I think he is playing in the Dutch 3RD Division at the moment....pretty sure MLS and TFC is way more appealing than that.....just a thought like.

Yep I was wrong its the Dutch 1st which is 2nd tier. Seems like a player tbh.

LOL, FC Edmonton is about to longtime stalwart defenders from the Eredivisie and the second league, so it shouldn't be out of the question.

ag futbol
04-08-2010, 07:32 PM
yeah, they all sucked WHEN THEY PLAYED FOR TFC, yet were successful with other teams. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE CLUB'S MANAGEMENT AND CULTURE!!!???
We have a Winner.

Ontario Arab
04-08-2010, 07:36 PM
LOL, FC Edmonton is about to longtime stalwart defenders from the Eredivisie and the second league, so it shouldn't be out of the question.
Hey Loome, did you look at this guys record or are you and I away to have another spat pal?..........the guy scores a lot of goals man........
:facepalm:

DichioTFC
04-08-2010, 07:37 PM
yeah, and so was Connor Casey, Edson Buddle, Colin Samuel, Tyrone Marshall, Todd Dunivant, Laurent Robert, Eskandarian, Joey Melo, Djekanovic, Julius James, Carlos Ruiz, Adrian Serioux, Johann Smith, Marco Velez, Rohan Ricketts, Jeff Cunningham...

yeah, they all sucked WHEN THEY PLAYED FOR TFC, yet were successful with other teams. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE CLUB'S MANAGEMENT AND CULTURE!!!???

Clearly, writing in caps gets your point across better.

TFCRegina
04-08-2010, 08:02 PM
yeah, and so was Connor Casey, Edson Buddle, Colin Samuel, Tyrone Marshall, Todd Dunivant, Laurent Robert, Eskandarian, Joey Melo, Djekanovic, Julius James, Carlos Ruiz, Adrian Serioux, Johann Smith, Marco Velez, Rohan Ricketts, Jeff Cunningham...

yeah, they all sucked WHEN THEY PLAYED FOR TFC, yet were successful with other teams. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE CLUB'S MANAGEMENT AND CULTURE!!!???

Really, Rohan Ricketts was successful with another team? Which? Because last time I checked, he wasn't in high demand. Playing for a nothing team in a lower tier in Hungary is hardly any measure of success.

Julius James? I haven't seen much out of him, only negatives since he left TFC.

Serioux played well with TFC, so I don't know what that is about...Johann Smith has been bouncing around Sweden, playing a grand total of 6 games since TFC...great player there.

Joey Melo? Plying his trade in what Conference Premier or is it Conference North/South?

Casey never wanted to be here. Velez was an overrated defender playing in a highly defensive system in Puerto Rico.

That leaves Cunningham, who has one of the lowest strike rates per shot in MLS (but a lot of goals because he's played a lot of games), Marshall, who was mediocre last season and is about 36 now, and well on his way out, Buddle, who benefitted from the service of Donovan and Beckham last year.

You also have Laurent and Samuel who are plying their trade in divisions of worse quality than MLS.

So what do you want to make your case on? Fact of the matter: Pablo Vitti was terrible. He was arrogant and didn't produce. I don't care what the culture is, I don't care what we have in place. We paid the guy a lot of money, and he didn't perform.

Shitty Vitti. Everyone loves these players after they're gone, but hated them when they're here...

backbeat
04-08-2010, 08:04 PM
Vitti is a flash in the pan player....he will continue to suck.......on another note......in reality, DUFC are looking at this guy as a "backup" kind of player, I dont think he has any real future playing for DUFC considering the attacking options we currently have stockpiled, so I was wondering why TFC are not going for players like this with a proven track record, pretty sure TFC could land this guy if we really tried...????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_ter_Heide

Correct me if Im wrong which I may be but I think he is playing in the Dutch 3RD Division at the moment....pretty sure MLS and TFC is way more appealing than that.....just a thought like.

Yep I was wrong its the Dutch 1st which is 2nd tier. Seems like a player tbh.

I don't think Vitti sucked at all, in fact TFC should have resigned hom at 1/3 his pay - closer to $100,000

Never-the-less I completely agree that TFC should go after Heide, he's available and can put the ball in the back of the net - bring him over!!!

Ontario Arab
04-08-2010, 08:07 PM
I don't think Vitti sucked at all, in fact TFC should have resigned hom at 1/3 his pay - closer to $100,000

Never-the-less I completely agree that TFC should go after Heide, he's available and can put the ball in the back of the net - bring him over!!!
Vitti, I agree wouldnt suck as much if he was paid what he was worth...lol...he was actually quite creative.
I keep forgetting tho...all these guys are shit because they play in the lower leagues in Europe of all places, and not MLS, so I guess there is no reason a team like TFC should have a look at them......I guess this will be the core of FC Edmonton in the NASL next year like (according to jloome)...meh...too bad then......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2A6LG3K688 Looks like a typical MLS game to me tho....lol. Jebus......I dont think he will be able to handle the press attention in MLS either jloome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM2C_7n27E&feature=channel

Blizzard
04-08-2010, 09:07 PM
I don't think Vitti sucked at all, in fact TFC should have resigned hom at 1/3 his pay - closer to $100,000

Never-the-less I completely agree that TFC should go after Heide, he's available and can put the ball in the back of the net - bring him over!!!

I'd heard that TFC did offer him a new deal with a cut in pay but he turned it down.

J .
04-08-2010, 10:12 PM
Shitty Vitti.


Thats about right. He was creative, gave the ball away and didnt finish his chances. He had Ricketts syndrome and only showed up every fourth game. Just because you creatively use feces to paint, doesnt mean its art. Its just smeared shit on paper.

brad
04-09-2010, 08:38 AM
Thats about right. He was creative, gave the ball away and didnt finish his chances.

A coach in my youth days put it eloquently to me - there are two sides to passing - the passer and receiver. It's much the responsibility of the person receiving the ball to make themselves available as it is for the person passing

Vitti gave the ball away because no one on the team moved off the ball to show for him. He couldn't adapt to our dreadful timbits soccer meets 80's English longball approach.

As far as finishing, I can't say. I doubt his confidence was high - and finishing is very much a confidence game. Or he might just be more suited to a recessed attacking role.

fetajr
04-09-2010, 01:21 PM
When ever I read a quote like this it translates to: Your Latino Style of play is no good here...
lol


lol.... just as eloquent as when i read/write "booting the ball up the field and hope for the best" translating into "the British style of play"

TFC_4_Life
04-09-2010, 02:10 PM
I can't believe people can seriously think Vitti is Terrible, or shitty, or trash and above all i can't believe someone posted that he doesn't work hard enough.

From what I watched Vitti moved of the ball more then any other TFC player. His off the ball movement was very good.

I agree completely with brad about not having options because teammates don't move off the ball, resulting in turn overs. This is why JDG has been turning over the ball. Watch how many times he gets the ball, pivits around 360 looking for options, finds nothing and then gets tackled by 2 players.

Vitti also tracked back and would fight for balls in our defensive end, alot more then guys like Guevara.

But he certainly couldn't finish for us. But the talent is there. And he was over priced for out tight cap.

rocker
04-09-2010, 02:15 PM
Vitti also tracked back and would fight for balls in our defensive end,
.

I didn't see a lot of that. I do remember the game where De Ro screamed at Vitti for not tracking back. De Ro seemed to dislike Vitti.

SiguenzaFC
04-09-2010, 07:18 PM
I gotta agree with Dannyd. Mo Jonhston's only good move was drafting Edu and bringing Dichio over.

I dont have any faith in him. He only seems to pick hard-nosed midget coaches with attitude that remind him of himself.

Vitti's situation would have been a lot different if we had a coach and management that knew how to work his type of skills into the mix and gave him the confidence he desperately needed.

How many times was he played as a winger?

6 Yard Box (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/the6-yardbox.blogspot.com/)

clc12
04-10-2010, 09:45 AM
I can't believe people can seriously think Vitti is Terrible, or shitty, or trash and above all i can't believe someone posted that he doesn't work hard enough.

From what I watched Vitti moved of the ball more then any other TFC player. His off the ball movement was very good.

I agree completely with brad about not having options because teammates don't move off the ball, resulting in turn overs. This is why JDG has been turning over the ball. Watch how many times he gets the ball, pivits around 360 looking for options, finds nothing and then gets tackled by 2 players.

Vitti also tracked back and would fight for balls in our defensive end, alot more then guys like Guevara.

But he certainly couldn't finish for us. But the talent is there. And he was over priced for out tight cap.

i totally agree. if you watched vitti play you could see how he used to move off the ball. he was just unlucky. he should have taken a pay cut and tried one more year. oh well life goes on.

222Westside
04-10-2010, 09:48 AM
The guy would go through 4 players, have a breakaway and miss the net...

BASE
04-10-2010, 11:55 AM
Although listed as a striker Vitti was used mostly in the midfield for TFC.
You can tell he had a level of class about him that others in the team did not have. That said his production vs. salary and potential transfer could not be justified.

Than again Chad Barrett who played more minutes and as a striker for the most part (though he was moved into the midfield) is making $200 000+ which is a total travesty.

Pachuco
07-07-2010, 09:18 PM
I was browsing through Wiki just now and thought to myself, hey What's Vitti up to these days. Then I found this old thread on here so I figured some of you may be interested to know that Vitti has 8 goals in 15 appearances this season. Yikes that's like Dero output. Oh how I wish we didn't get rid of Vitti.

Derko
07-07-2010, 09:34 PM
I think part of the reason these players fail at TFC is unfortunately this is a team sport and its very hard for anyone to do it all on their own (other than Messi of course). If nobody can get the ball up to them its hard for them to put it in that net.

I agree, except for the Messi part, he didn't really shine at the World Cup, did he.

Just ribbing ya!!

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 09:37 PM
Won't be the first professional athlete to go and have some success with another team, or in another league. I still don't miss him. And so far, I've been reasonably pleased with our play this season.

- Scott

TFC_Central
07-07-2010, 09:39 PM
I was browsing through Wiki just now and thought to myself, hey What's Vitti up to these days. Then I found this old thread on here so I figured some of you may be interested to know that Vitti has 8 goals in 15 appearances this season. Yikes that's like Dero output. Oh how I wish we didn't get rid of Vitti.

anyone who didn't have a clear bias against the sole fact the kid was Argentinian could see he was class.... except most choose to have chad barrett's woody occupy their mouth's like lollipop's :facepalm:

TFC_Central
07-07-2010, 09:40 PM
Won't be the first professional athlete to go and have some success with another team, or in another league. I still don't miss him. And so far, I've been reasonably pleased with our play this season.

- Scott


what about the play of chad barrett. ??

rocker
07-07-2010, 10:03 PM
I always thought De Ro hated Pablo Vitto. I still remember the game where he fuckin' screamed at Pablo for being lazy and not coming back (I could hear the scream across the field). Then there was the breakaway where he had Vitti on his left, totally open, and didn't pass. De Ro never had any confidence in Vitti, it seems.

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-07-2010, 10:11 PM
This thread's kind of taking the wind out of my sails. I'm all excited about Mista and possibly Jennison Myrie-William and Febian Brandy, then I remember how excited I was about Vitti and recall how that turned out.

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:17 PM
what about the play of chad barrett. ??

What about it? He had a great start to the season, and has cooled off the past few games. I don't understand what this has to do with Vitti.

Regardless of what you think of Barrett, Vitti didn't do anything here and had plenty of chances to. Good on him for finding success somewhere else, but I still don't miss him.

We are playing better this season, our defense is actually stout for once, and hopefully our new striker signing can help us become a bonafide playoff contender. That's more than I could say for this team last season.

- Scott

Roogsy
07-07-2010, 10:17 PM
anyone who didn't have a clear bias against the sole fact the kid was Argentinian could see he was class.... except most choose to have chad barrett's woody occupy their mouth's like lollipop's :facepalm:

QFFT!

When Vitti left, I said specifically stated that his production here was disappointing but that his level of play was better than most on the team. My guess is that this simply wasn't the place for him. Not the kind of team he needs to produce. I said that put in the right place, he can bang them in and I was right.

I still think people around here have blinders about Barrett because the kid works so hard. It's nice to see yes, but for what he gets paid, his level of production is ridiculous.

Dirk Diggler
07-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Vitti was indeed class but when you produce like he did with us (i.e. nothing at all), you can't complain too much when he gets cut ... especially considering his salary. He showed flashes of brilliance on multiple occasions but he just could not translate them into goals. I personally would have kept him on for at least another year but I'm not going to complain that Mo/Preki let him go.

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:25 PM
QFFT!

When Vitti left, I said specifically stated that his production here was disappointing but that his level of play was better than most on the team. My guess is that this simply wasn't the place for him. Not the kind of team he needs to produce. I said that put in the right place, he can bang them in and I was right.

I still think people around here have blinders about Barrett because the kid works so hard. It's nice to see yes, but for what he gets paid, his level of production is ridiculous.

And for what Vitti got paid here, his level of production was ridiculous. Barrett was instrumental to our incredible run of form this May, and while he has cooled off in recent weeks, he could easily regain that form again. The fact that Barrett is overpaid (and he is), isn't his fault, nor does it mitigate that Barrett can be a valuable piece that makes our offense work. Blame Mo for the goofy contract.

And I can't believe you would "QFFT" a guy who basically insinuated that the only reason to have not thought Vitti was "class" is racism.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:25 PM
Vitti was indeed class but when you produce like he did with us (i.e. nothing at all), you can't complain too much when he gets cut ... especially considering his salary. He showed flashes of brilliance on multiple occasions but he just could not translate them into goals. I personally would have kept him on for at least another year but I'm not going to complain that Mo/Preki let him go.

Exactly.

- Scott

Roogsy
07-07-2010, 10:31 PM
Scott...where did I say that I objected to his leaving? I have repeatedly agreed with the fact that his lack of production was a problem.

I merely pointed out the double-standard. He (along with others like Ali) are absolutely lambasted on this board but none of them have been able to enjoy the patience (by the fans or management) that has been gifted to Barrett.

And yeah...I think some people made assumptions because of his background although my major point of agreement was more about the hypocrisy rather than the racial issue. I don't know why there was a bias against Vitti but he certainly makes a point about what could be a possible reason for the fact that people were blind to the level of skill he had.

TFC USA
07-07-2010, 10:34 PM
When we finally get Garcia the fuck out watch him become an MLS All-Star with the Crew.

JonO
07-07-2010, 10:36 PM
anyone who didn't have a clear bias against the sole fact the kid was Argentinian could see he was class.... except most choose to have chad barrett's woody occupy their mouth's like lollipop's :facepalm:
Except Barrett is on a contract and Vitti's had expired. The math isn't complicated. And despite Barrett's "inferior" skill - at the end of the day he contributed more than Vitti.

a_billi
07-07-2010, 10:37 PM
the fact that Barrett is overpaid (and he is), isn't his fault, nor does it mitigate the fact that Barrett is a valuable piece that makes our offense work. Blame Mo for the goofy contract.

And I can't believe you would "QFFT" a guy who basically insinuated that the only reason to have not thought Vitti was "class" is racism.

- Scott

:facepalm::D:D:D WOW I guess Vitti forcefully and violently made Mojo give that contract to him. Your love for Barret is blinding dude. Vitti was playing out of position couldnt speak the language and the entire management/team was a complete disaster last year. He should of been back for one more season at a reduced contract. And Barret has a good motor good heart but is just awful. His first touch, finishing and general vision is trash. And I do feel if Vitti was from the British Isles or American/Canadian he still would of been here and people would of been saying he has "class". Sorry its just my opinion if Barret got another chance Vitti should of also.

JonO
07-07-2010, 10:46 PM
:facepalm::D:D:D WOW I guess Vitti forcefully and violently made Mojo give that contract to him. Your love for Barret is blinding dude.
Huh? You do realize that Vitti was on a 1 year contract and Barrett is on a 3 year contract (at least I think it's 3). You also do realize that Vitti apparently did not want to re-sign for less money. Barrett is overpaid and should take a lower contract when his expires or else he can leave too. But I really don't understand what one has to do with the other. It's not like we chose Barrett over Vitti...

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:46 PM
Scott...where did I say that I objected to his leaving? I have repeatedly agreed with the fact that his lack of production was a problem.

Fair enough. I should add that I'm not arguing with you specifically - just using your post as more of a sounding board for more generic issues around the "Vitti/Barrett" argument


I merely pointed out the double-standard. He (along with others like Ali) are absolutely lambasted on this board but none of them have been able to enjoy the patience (by the fans or management) that has been gifted to Barrett.

I wouldn't say Vitti got "lambasted", any more than Barrett gets lambasted around here regularly by some people (especially last season). I have some patience with Barrett, because even when he doesn't score, I see him doing other things well, that help set up OTHER players for shots.

I saw flashes of this from Vitti, but that's about it. And Barrett has actually scored some clutch goals for this team. Vitti didn't.

That's also the reason I had little patience for Gerba. He didn't score goals (yes, I understand you don't think he got a fair shake in this respect - not interested in arguing the point right now), and he didn't do anything else to help grease the wheels of the offense when he wasn't scoring.


And yeah...I think some people made assumptions because of his background although my major point of agreement was more about the hypocrisy rather than the racial issue. I don't know why there was a bias against Vitti but he certainly makes a point about what could be a possible reason for the fact that people were blind to the level of skill he had.

I still think your logic is flawed in presuming there was a "bias" of any sort, or that people are "blind" to his level of skill instead of simply having a different opinion of his skill than you.

I thought Vitti was very skilled in a couple of specific areas, but that those skills were not helpful to the MLS style of game, or helping us score. And the results certainly bear that out.

So again - glad to see him finding success somewhere else. I don't miss him.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:51 PM
:facepalm::D:D:D WOW I guess Vitti forcefully and violently made Mojo give that contract to him.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your nonsense, and focus on this: What?

My entire point was that Barrett's overvalued contract was not Barrett's fault, so it would stand to reason that I also think the same of Vitti's overvalued contract not being his fault, genius.

And Vitti was on a one year contract, unlike Barrett. Barrett didn't "get another chance" - he's still under contract.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 10:53 PM
Except Barrett is on a contract and Vitti's had expired. The math isn't complicated. And despite Barrett's "inferior" skill - at the end of the day he contributed more than Vitti.

Exactly again! This is so simple to understand. Both underperformed last year, and both got heaps of criticism for it. Only one of them was on a multi-year contract.

- Scott

TFC USA
07-07-2010, 10:53 PM
My thoughts on Barrett completely (sorta) changed this year.

Vitti was shitty, sucked titties, and by the end of the day we were all giddy when he left. Some players do well, others suck ass when they leave.

a_billi
07-07-2010, 11:01 PM
I'm going to ignore the rest of your nonsense, and focus on this: What?

My entire point was that Barrett's overvalued contract was not Barrett's fault, so it would stand to reason that I also think the same of Vitti's overvalued contract not being his fault, genius.

And Vitti was on a one year contract, unlike Barrett. Barrett didn't "get another chance" - he's still under contract.

- Scott

Oh wonderful, others ideas and opinions that are not the same as yours is considered nonsense. Your point was Barret wasnt forced into the contract and neither was Vitti. You cant justify Barretts shitty play by saying he didnt "force" it. I've never understood the hate for Vitti. First year, New team, new country and language and coming into one of the worst and poorly managed teams in the league. I'm tired of seeing Barret blow wicked goal oppurtunities by shooting at the moon and Mista knocks him out of his spot.:)

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 11:06 PM
Oh wonderful, others ideas and opinions that are not the same as yours is considered nonsense. Your point was Barret wasnt forced into the contract and neither was Vitti. You cant justify Barretts shitty play by saying he didnt "force" it. I've never understood the hate for Vitti. First year, New team, new country and language and coming into one of the worst and poorly managed teams in the league. I'm tired of seeing Barret blow wicked goal oppurtunities by shooting at the moon and Mista knocks him out of his spot.:)

The real issue here seems to be that you fundamentally don't understand anything I've said about this. I'm not "justifying" Barrett's play at all - I'm saying that Barrett's bloated contract isn't his fault, just as you JUST POSTED that Vitti's bloated contract isn't his fault,in trying to criticize me! What planet am I on?

And no, the fact that you have a different opinion isn't what made the rest of your post gobbledygook - the fallacious reasoning is.

- Scott

TFCRegina
07-07-2010, 11:12 PM
Yep, I remember Shitty Vitty.

a_billi
07-07-2010, 11:21 PM
The real issue here seems to be that you fundamentally don't understand anything I've said about this. I'm not "justifying" Barrett's play at all - I'm saying that Barrett's bloated contract isn't his fault, just as you JUST POSTED that Vitti's bloated contract isn't his fault,in trying to criticize me! What planet am I on?

And no, the fact that you have a different opinion isn't what made the rest of your post gobbledygook - the fallacious reasoning is.

- Scott
:picard:Wow dude your not making any sense I think you should re-read everything youve read and re-read it three times. All im saying is Vitti was not properly utilized here in a completely foreign system only had one year to show his stuff and basically chased out of town. But yet people love Barrett here lol. If you know football you know who the better player is.

Shakes McQueen
07-07-2010, 11:27 PM
:picard:Wow dude your not making any sense I think you should re-read everything youve read and re-read it three times. All im saying is Vitti was not properly utilized here in a completely foreign system only had one year to show his stuff and basically chased out of town. But yet people love Barrett here lol. If you know football you know who the better player is.

As has been pointed out several times now, the difference between Barrett and Vitti, is that Vitti was on a one year contract

And don't give me that "if you know football you know who the better player is" stuff. Insinuating that people who don't agree with you simply don't know the sport, is incredibly rich in light of the fact that you just tried to accuse me calling your post "nonsense" for the sole reason that I disagreed with you.

- Scott

a_billi
07-07-2010, 11:36 PM
As has been pointed out several times now, the difference between Barrett and Vitti, is that Vitti was on a one year contract

And don't give me that "if you know football you know who the better player is" stuff. Insinuating that people who don't agree with you simply don't know the sport, is incredibly rich in light of the fact that you just tried to accuse me calling your post "nonsense" for the sole reason that I disagreed with you.

- Scott

Come on man dont this freaking biased Stevie Wonder could tell you Vitti is better by a BIG BIG BIG margin. If you said Dero, Deguzman or even Nana I would of agreed with you cause they actually are decent but Barett come on now.

H Bomb
07-08-2010, 02:05 AM
I just wanted to remind everyone that this is a thread about pablo vitti...you know before anyone else writes anything...about pablo vitti.

torontocelt
07-08-2010, 06:31 AM
I merely pointed out the double-standard. He (along with others like Ali) are absolutely lambasted on this board but none of them have been able to enjoy the patience (by the fans or management) that has been gifted to Barrett.


I don think the fans are blind to Barrett, I would say everyone I know thinks he sucks and no where near worth the money he is on. A good striker does not need 10 opportunities a game to score one goal and I have seen Chad do that plenty of times. Anyone who thinks Chad is a good player needs their head checked cause he is pretty crap indeed although to be honest he is better than OBW who is just plain crap and Ali who was fat. out of shape and basically immobile. I am pretty sure if people had a choice we would not have any of these guys but this is the MLS and this is the standard we have to put up with unfortunately.

As for people disliking Vitti because he is Argentinian, well that is a big accusation for someone to make and not one I think is founded. This is Toronto, one of the most multi cultural cities in the world. Maybe there was a level of expectancy that came with him due to his past with the Argentinian national team but Vitti did not show anything in his time here to warrant any love, he had every opportunity to prove himself and he only ever managed to prove that like the others mentioned before he too was crap, regardless of where he was from.

profit89
07-08-2010, 06:33 AM
vitti was part of the guevara crew.. that was preki's first order of business, break up that crew

preki is big on cohesion

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 06:35 AM
Guevara-Vitti-JDG-Mista, playing on grass.

Would have been a great combination. Players who understand the passing game, they would be passing into space, confusing most MLS-quality defenders.

Vitti didn't work out when he was lacking team-mates who didn't understand his style of play, and an English coach who really didn't understand anything but the direct game, plus being forced to play on Fieldturf.

Being placed where he was in the system he was, with only 1 team-mate who understood his game, he didn't get many chances on net. Even world-class strikers only score a goal every 4-5 attempts.

Mikey
07-08-2010, 07:05 AM
I'm sure there is less wear and tear on players ankles and knees, which seemed to be the main concern for players.
But I have seen no increase in perceived passing accuracy or on the ball skill levels whatsofuckingever since we got grass.

Crap play is crap play, whatever the surface.

Parkdale
07-08-2010, 08:16 AM
newsflash - Chris Bosh is going to win the NBA Championship in the near future, and not with us. Duh.


Vitti was a very skilled player and for some reason it just didn't work out.
We could make a huge list of all the possible variables that kept him from being great,
but in the end.... does it really matter? He's not here anymore, and he's doing well.
Good for him, and good for us for knowing when to cut the losses and move on.

backbeat
07-08-2010, 08:26 AM
Vitti was lambasted here but rarely played in his proper position and rarely as a striker but everyone expected him to put the ball in the back of the net. The criticism was totally unrealistic to his playing time and position.
he was given little opportunity to adjust (nothing like Chad and others were given)

certainly one of the few on our team who had quality and given another year in the MLS under a proper coach with a couple of players who actually understood the game i am convinced he would have been a significant addition to the group. Instead we ran him out of town.

As for what he was getting paid - I do not believe he saw that amount- most of it I am sure went to Independiente not him - we absolutely could have renegotiated at a much lower pay rate.

What a waste of young talent that would have developed with the team - look at all the other players in this league who took a few years to adjust and now are top level in the MLS. it was pathetic we dumped on such talent imo.

Roogsy
07-08-2010, 08:31 AM
Vitti didn't work out when he was lacking team-mates who didn't understand his style of play, and an English coach who really didn't understand anything but the direct game, plus being forced to play on Fieldturf.

Being placed where he was in the system he was, with only 1 team-mate who understood his game, he didn't get many chances on net. Even world-class strikers only score a goal every 4-5 attempts.

Thank you. This is exactly it.

I disagree wholeheartedly to references to Vitti as "crap" and "shit" not because they affect me personally but because of all the hype sorrounding TFC fans and how "knowledgeable" we are. If we can't even recognize real talent (which Vitti has) and the reason why he didn't succeed here (we had a shit team and a shit system) then maybe we're not so knowledgeable at all.

Hitcho
07-08-2010, 08:35 AM
Thank you. This is exactly it.

I disagree wholeheartedly to references to Vitti as "crap" and "shit" not because they affect me personally but because of all the hype sorrounding TFC fans and how "knowledgeable" we are. If we can't even recognize real talent (which Vitti has) and the reason why he didn't succeed here (we had a shit team and a shit system) then maybe we're not so knowledgeable at all.

Speak for yourself Roogsy, the rest of us read the papers every day and know everything. :D

ag futbol
07-08-2010, 08:35 AM
Shows you that sometimes players just do not get used properly within this league. I don't think anybody would have thought hercules gomez was that good seeing him play for KC previously.

If you want the most out of possession players you need teammates around him that play the same game. Wasn't in the cards here.

Parkdale
07-08-2010, 08:39 AM
sure Vitti wasn't 'shit', but the results were pretty shitty.

we can argue all we want about why he didn't work out, but it doesn't change the fact that it just wasn't working. I'm one of the people who honestly wished it did.

torontocelt
07-08-2010, 08:48 AM
Thank you. This is exactly it.

I disagree wholeheartedly to references to Vitti as "crap" and "shit" not because they affect me personally but because of all the hype sorrounding TFC fans and how "knowledgeable" we are. If we can't even recognize real talent (which Vitti has) and the reason why he didn't succeed here (we had a shit team and a shit system) then maybe we're not so knowledgeable at all.

Geez, why do people always have to mention how knowledgeable the supporter must be if they dont like Vitti? In the grand scheme of things in world football Vitti is nothing more than a mediocre player, sure he knows some tricks but so do tons of other players. Vitti is no a real talent, not even colse to a real talent. I have no idea how you guys judge your players but if Vitti was a real talent he would be playing at a far higher level than he has. Messi is a 'real talent', Vitti isn't even fit to lace his boots.

Parkdale
07-08-2010, 08:53 AM
Messi is a 'real talent', Vitti isn't even fit to lace his boots.


comparing anyone or anything to Messi sort of kills the whole argument.

That's like comparing any basketball player to Lebron James. No shit it's hard to live up to the biggest name in the sport, and it's absolutely ridiculous to make the comparison. Of course Vitti isn't comparable to Messi, because TFC isn't comparable to Barcelona. If he was in the upper ranks of world class play, he would never have set foot on the field turf.

let's talk within reason here - Vitti was a very talented player compared to the level of talent in the league. For some reason he never delivered to his potential. Recognizing that he was a skilled player doesn't mean we're on his nuts and saying that he's world class (because he's not) but he is very skilled.

MartinUtd
07-08-2010, 09:04 AM
You know what I miss about Vitti? The way he'd slow the game down when there was acres of open space in from of him. He must be on another level to me because I would have thought an attacking player would venture into said open space.

backbeat
07-08-2010, 09:04 AM
sure Vitti wasn't 'shit', but the results were pretty shitty.

we can argue all we want about why he didn't work out, but it doesn't change the fact that it just wasn't working. I'm one of the people who honestly wished it did.

sorry but i do not buy that. he was not given an opportunity in Toronto at all. he was played out of position with the expectation by the fans that he would put the ball in the back of the net. he was given little time compared to many others who developed over a few seasons to adjust to the MLS. he had way more quality than the vast majority of the players on the team. he wasn't the problem in my mind it was the organization of the team that was far more problematic. so many ragged on his pay but we know he didn’t receive all that and that it could have been renegotiated as he would have been bought and therefore would have probably been paid half of what Chad gets. with the additions of JDG and Mista, Vitti would have be a really beneficial asset as he possesses a quality that they need to shine. oh well.....we move on....

torontocelt
07-08-2010, 09:07 AM
comparing anyone or anything to Messi sort of kills the whole argument.

That's like comparing any basketball player to Lebron James. No shit it's hard to live up to the biggest name in the sport, and it's absolutely ridiculous to make the comparison. Of course Vitti isn't comparable to Messi, because TFC isn't comparable to Barcelona. If he was in the upper ranks of world class play, he would never have set foot on the field turf.

let's talk within reason here - Vitti was a very talented player compared to the level of talent in the league. For some reason he never delivered to his potential. Recognizing that he was a skilled player doesn't mean we're on his nuts and saying that he's world class (because he's not) but he is very skilled.

Ok - Messi - exceptional

Bojan - great player

Aiden McGeady - very good player

Shaun Maloney - good player

Pablo Vitti - mediocre player

Is Pablo Vitti a real telent, well no not in my opinion. Could he be a success in the premiership, I dont think so. Could he cut it in the championship, no I dont think so. Could he cut in in the SPL, no I dont think so. Did he cut it in MLS, he never proved that he was a real talent even at that level. How exactly is he a real talent?

If you were to say that Vitti is a good player by TFC standards then that is more relaistic but to judge him as a real talent does open up a debate to world football as he is not a real talent in the grand scheme of things in my opinion. You are all welcome ot disagree but to say someone isn't knowledgeable because they dont think Vitti is a real talent is crazy.

v00d00daddy
07-08-2010, 09:15 AM
Vitti showed some things that we haven't often seen with TFC players....patience and a good first touch.

That being said, he was getting paid WAY too much for his contribution.

I miss him and wish he could have come back on a reduced salary but it is what it is.

As for the Barrett talk and comparisons.....

Again..it is what it is with this fan base....

most people around these parts value hard work over talent. I can't explain why some people don't require both to praise a player but they don't.

Chad Barrett is a hard worker...but his touch is brutal and it's a joke to suggest that he's a good player...even by MLS standards.

There is no team in MLS banging down our door for his services. He is not a commodity. He's not USMNT material (not even close). Based on his playing time and salary I would put him in the bottom 1/3 of other players in this league that get paid as much and play as frequently.

So why the praise? He deserves the same fate as Vitti. THe only difference is that he's had 3 years of regular play (Vitti barely got a regular look in his one season) to show what he has....and he's shown it.

Not much.

ExiledRed
07-08-2010, 09:15 AM
The way he would win the ball, lose it, fight to win it back with some funky play, and then pass it to a player who would kill the play, or not read the pass correctly, used to break my heart.

If we'd had two Vitti's we would have won every game. I always felt that but for Guevara he was on his own out there.

Darlofletch
07-08-2010, 09:39 AM
He was a talented player, but only occasionally showed glances of using that talent to be productive within our team and this league, (and if we're being thorough, he wasn't really doing it with whatever team he was with before us either). If he's now in a team and league that works better for him, then good for him, I'm sure he's a lot happier there, and we're better off without him (unless you think we should have changed the rest of the team to suit him better), so win win.

Buena suerte pablo.

ag futbol
07-08-2010, 09:41 AM
It's all relative, i think that's the pont. Compared to what normally comes through the door from the TFC "scouting" department Pablo Vitti should have a lot more to work with. It shouldn't be much of a stretch for anyone to realize why he didn't do well here regardless of whether or not he had talent.

Last year we were build like a fantasy team with numerous players out of position. On top of that many of them were (and still are) technically inferior and have low football IQ. For Vitti to work, he needs to be in the right system (and played in the right position perhaps?).

When you watch a team like LA, Houston, or RSL, it's clear the entire team fits. The parts together and they create synergy. Absolutely necessary in a league like this where there's not a lot of talent to go around.

Last year we simply had no system, which is a large part of why Vitti looked so bad. This year we have a system he doesn't fit so it's probably best that our offers to resign him at a lower price tag failed.

trane
07-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Scott...where did I say that I objected to his leaving? I have repeatedly agreed with the fact that his lack of production was a problem.

I merely pointed out the double-standard. He (along with others like Ali) are absolutely lambasted on this board but none of them have been able to enjoy the patience (by the fans or management) that has been gifted to Barrett.

And yeah...I think some people made assumptions because of his background although my major point of agreement was more about the hypocrisy rather than the racial issue. I don't know why there was a bias against Vitti but he certainly makes a point about what could be a possible reason for the fact that people were blind to the level of skill he had.

I agree with you on this. Very much. I have said it before. Barrett was given support by many on this board because he is, for a mangiacake.

Since people can say greasers ect. on this board I hope no one is offended by mangiacake.

trane
07-08-2010, 10:02 AM
The way he would win the ball, lose it, fight to win it back with some funky play, and then pass it to a player who would kill the play, or not read the pass correctly, used to break my heart.

If we'd had two Vitti's we would have won every game. I always felt that but for Guevara he was on his own out there.

Agreed.

Parkdale
07-08-2010, 10:03 AM
Since people can say greasers ect. on this board I hope no one is offended by mangiacake.

people don't get to say 'greasers' on here. If you see it, hit the report button and they will be dealt with.

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 10:06 AM
What about it? He had a great start to the season, and has cooled off the past few games.

- Scott
Barret's Career is a long running "cool off" and as for vitti not "doing anything" you should really re-watch some games from last season. He brought real football to the club. The type that gets fans out of their seats. As for the plenty of chances..... I really think someone should count all of barrett's chances for this club. We regularly talk about defense on this team in regards to the past. However last year we had players who were of attacking mindset, with Chad Barret as the pivotal striker. He soley cost this team game after game... That is why we weren't in the playoffs man....

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 10:07 AM
Agreed.

Vitti was one of our best tackler's last season , especially on sliding challenges....

Jack
07-08-2010, 10:10 AM
He's gone. Probably time to get over it.

Roogsy
07-08-2010, 10:11 AM
He's gone. Probably time to get over it.

:lol:

I am still not over my first girlfriend either...

trane
07-08-2010, 10:15 AM
He's gone. Probably time to get over it.


WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS BE THE VOICE OF REASON. Do you not get tiered of being reasonable??

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 10:18 AM
A good find.... wow look at that young messi!
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JonO
07-08-2010, 10:22 AM
When I was in Argentina, chatting with a local about football I mentioned TFC had Pablo Vitti playing for them. His first response was "Who?". Granted, the guy was a River fan, but take it for what you will...

trane
07-08-2010, 10:25 AM
^ Well he must have first said "what is this TFC?"

scooter
07-08-2010, 10:46 AM
The way he would win the ball, lose it, fight to win it back with some funky play, and then pass it to a player who would kill the play, or not read the pass correctly, used to break my heart.

If we'd had two Vitti's we would have won every game. I always felt that but for Guevara he was on his own out there.

spot on

loved his nutmeg pass to guevara but then no one up top to take a pass so guevara gives it back to him and he bangs it over to the wing and they both just shrug their shoulders

oh and yes vitti is not a great legendary player but he has good touch and could have helped our club if we played a different style of football but we are not going to change to accomodate 1 player this is a team sport and our team is comming along nicely thank you

:drum:

Brooker
07-08-2010, 10:49 AM
i thought Vitti was a real good player but what's with the people saying they wish we still had him? He didn't fit here. It didn't work. Just because he might play well with another team doesn't mean you should want him back. TFC and Vitti don't mix.

Darlofletch
07-08-2010, 11:01 AM
spot on

loved his nutmeg pass to guevara but then no one up top to take a pass so guevara gives it back to him and he bangs it over to the wing and they both just shrug their shoulders

oh and yes vitti is not a great legendary player but he has good touch and could have helped our club if we played a different style of football

:drum:

But should we have been changing the entire style of football to suit him? and also, check out his career stats, I presume all those argentinian sides he played for before us played the right style for him to thrive, didn't exactly light it up there either did he?

Anyway, he seems to have found his style and his level in Peru, so best of luck to him.

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 11:09 AM
tfc and vitti? or Vitti + Crappy players and Cummins = ???
I would take both guevara and vitti back in a heartbeat

imagine this tfc attack *sigh*

----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Saric---JDG--Peterson-----
Usanov-Cann-Attakora-Hscanovics

thats a champ. winning team

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 11:14 AM
But should we have been changing the entire style of football to suit him? and also, check out his career stats, I presume all those argentinian sides he played for before us played the right style for him to thrive, didn't exactly light it up there either did he?

Anyway, he seems to have found his style and his level in Peru, so best of luck to him.

The style he played was attacking ,exciting footy. Go back a page and watch the highlights. Especially off the ball. He set's up goals , we just didn't have anyone to tap them in. Even with the addition of Mista the close setup man is still missing. We have added defense, service and one striker, with another on the way. Vitti was close service and would beat that second last defender. He is an integral key when playing possession football. One , with Cummins didn't fit and looked out of place because of the longball effect.

scooter
07-08-2010, 11:16 AM
But should we have been changing the entire style of football to suit him? and also, check out his career stats, I presume all those argentinian sides he played for before us played the right style for him to thrive, didn't exactly light it up there either did he?

Anyway, he seems to have found his style and his level in Peru, so best of luck to him.

i agree he didnt fit our style just enjoyed his glimpses of possesion one touch football

Parkdale
07-08-2010, 11:19 AM
----------Welsh--Welsh------------
---------------Welsh-------------
-------Welsh---Welsh--Welsh-----
----Welsh--Welsh--Welsh--Welsh--

thats a champ. winning team

edited for accuracy.




:D

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 11:37 AM
Could he be a success in the premiership, I dont think so. Could he cut it in the championship, no I dont think so. Could he cut in in the SPL, no I dont think so.

He couldn't cut it the the premiership, championship, or the SPL because he plays a different style of football from the direct style preferred in the British Isles.

The problem here is that too many people on this board get their idea of football only from watching one style: the direct style of the EPL. Making Vitti play a direct style is like asking him to become an English translator. :D

Preki plays a rough, typical Eastern European style. No way would Vitti (or Guevara) fit in.

The best clubs in the world play a hybrid style that is neither direct nor traditional latin but contains elements (and players) of both styles. Or, to put it on an MLS level, DC United, back when they were winning all those many trophies (including CONCACAF, before there was a World Club Cup) used to play a hybrid style.

backbeat
07-08-2010, 11:38 AM
tfc and vitti? or Vitti + Crappy players and Cummins = ???
I would take both guevara and vitti back in a heartbeat

imagine this tfc attack *sigh*

----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Guevara---JDG--Peterson-----
Harden-Cann-Attakora-Gargan

thats a champ. winning team

Edited!!

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 11:38 AM
tfc and vitti? or Vitti + Crappy players and Cummins = ???
I would take both guevara and vitti back in a heartbeat

imagine this tfc attack *sigh*

----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Saric---JDG--Peterson-----
Usanov-Cann-Attakora-Hscanovics

thats a champ. winning team

That team would be very strong in MLS. It would need a latin coach to make it work, though.

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 11:49 AM
Is the Peruvian league as good as MLS is? I for one doubt it.

Vitti made a couple of nice stepovers once and scored two goals worth $100,000 each in valuable salary cap space we could have used on someone fucking productive.



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Roogsy
07-08-2010, 11:58 AM
Is the Peruvian league as good as MLS is? I for one doubt it.

I think it is.

prizby
07-08-2010, 11:59 AM
tfc and vitti? or Vitti + Crappy players and Cummins = ???
I would take both guevara and vitti back in a heartbeat

imagine this tfc attack *sigh*

----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Saric---JDG--Peterson-----
Usanov-Cann-Attakora-Hscanovics

thats a champ. winning team

wow peterson...over lebrocca

v00d00daddy
07-08-2010, 12:04 PM
Is the Peruvian league as good as MLS is? I for one doubt it.

Vitti made a couple of nice stepovers once and scored two goals worth $100,000 each in valuable salary cap space we could have used on someone fucking productive.



Next


And...a perfect example of why I gloss over your incessant blog posts. Your analysis and talent breakdown are truly top notch. Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

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maninb
07-08-2010, 12:11 PM
Vitti may not have been total crap but for $300K+ a year he certainly was shite production wise....If he'd have taken $100k he may have been asked to stay....

maninb
07-08-2010, 12:13 PM
tfc and vitti? or Vitti + Crappy players and Cummins = ???
I would take both guevara and vitti back in a heartbeat

imagine this tfc attack *sigh*

----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Saric---JDG--Peterson-----
Usanov-Cann-Attakora-Hscanovics

thats a champ. winning team

First of all Gargan is much better than Saric, Uselessanov and Alphabet Soup...secondly I'd take Barrett over Vitti any day...

bgnewf
07-08-2010, 12:15 PM
And...a perfect example of why I gloss over your incessant blog posts. Your analysis and talent breakdown are truly top notch. Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

Next

Back 'atcha sir!

:)

torontocelt
07-08-2010, 12:52 PM
He couldn't cut it the the premiership, championship, or the SPL because he plays a different style of football from the direct style preferred in the British Isles.

The problem here is that too many people on this board get their idea of football only from watching one style: the direct style of the EPL. Making Vitti play a direct style is like asking him to become an English translator. :D

Preki plays a rough, typical Eastern European style. No way would Vitti (or Guevara) fit in.

The best clubs in the world play a hybrid style that is neither direct nor traditional latin but contains elements (and players) of both styles. Or, to put it on an MLS level, DC United, back when they were winning all those many trophies (including CONCACAF, before there was a World Club Cup) used to play a hybrid style.

For what it is worth I dont think he would have cut it in La Liga or Seria A either. From what I can gather he never even cut it in Argentina. Maybe Peru is the perfect league for him but I would be mega shocked if he ever got any international recognition again despite his form there even though Argentina caps players at a drop of a hat. Argentina and Brazil are probably full of Pablo Vitti's, a Pablo Vitti for me is not a great player, maybe he will prove me wrong...

ag futbol
07-08-2010, 01:14 PM
----------Mista--Vitti------------
---------------Dero-------------
-------Saric---JDG--Peterson-----
Usanov-Cann-Attakora-Hscanovics

thats a champ. winning team
Unless the players highlighted somehow have a huge turn in form i don't think so. The team above might be a bit better for Vitti, but that attack is still badly badly lacking some quality wing play. It's going to be the same issue as previous where you've got players who are just useless going forward (Saric) or can't get involved in combination play (Peterson).

End result, everything will go through the centre, the other team will stuff Dero. There is not one player on that map you can draw a direct line from JDG (except Dero) who is anything better than below average on the ball. So at that point our attackers start drifting back more to get the ball from the guys who can't bring it up themselves. That will take them out of more dangerous positions and end everyone starts looking like shit.

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 01:38 PM
For what it is worth I dont think he would have cut it in La Liga or Seria A either. From what I can gather he never even cut it in Argentina.

He was a second-tier player in Argentina. There are a lot of those. DC United did very well for many years using just this type of Argentinian player for many of their foreign players, and won many trophies doing so. TFC didn't have the coaching ability or other players to take advantage of a player like Vitti last year.

La Liga is a very tough league, probably better in quality (though not hype) than the Premiership. I doubt that most of our players, save DeRo, JDG, and now Mista could play at that level. I'm not really qualified to comment on Serie A. Do you really follow that league, or are you basing this commentary on your subjective impression of Vitti's "quality-level" for TFC last year, playing long-ball soccer?

trane
07-08-2010, 01:48 PM
^ This is the kind of comment that outstounds me. You state that he is a second tier player in Argentina, that he would not cut it in La Liga, but you wonder if he would make in Serie A? You mean the league that just produced the CL winner, the one that has won more CL titles in the 2000's then the EPL, the one that many of Argentina's top players play? He clrealy does not have the quality to play in either of Italy's first two leagues, or he would be. The understimation of Italian football outstounds me. Many will have a rude awakening soon.

trane
07-08-2010, 01:54 PM
By the way Spain's top two teams were beaten this year, by the two Italian teams ( FROM THE GRAN MILAN')AT HOME. The galatagos MAdrid by the aging AC Milan, and The best team ever known to man, Barca because they won the triple crown BY Inter who also won the triple crown, but it does not count because it is not cool. By the way the EPL chapmions were also beaten by Inter.

ACSertL
07-08-2010, 02:05 PM
By the way Spain's top two teams were beaten this year, by the two Italian teams ( FROM THE GRAN MILAN')AT HOME. The galatagos MAdrid by the aging AC Milan, and The best team ever known to man, Barca because they won the triple crown BY Inter who also won the triple crown, but it does not count because it is not cool. By the way the EPL chapmions were also beaten by Inter.

:( Don't forget the German ones too...

trane
07-08-2010, 02:45 PM
^ Well they at least made it to the final.

TFC07
07-08-2010, 02:50 PM
By the way Spain's top two teams were beaten this year, by the two Italian teams ( FROM THE GRAN MILAN')AT HOME. The galatagos MAdrid by the aging AC Milan, and The best team ever known to man, Barca because they won the triple crown BY Inter who also won the triple crown, but it does not count because it is not cool. By the way the EPL chapmions were also beaten by Inter.

Too bad for Italian clubs who can't buy more international players anymore which will hurt Italian clubs' quality (in short-term at least).

JonO
07-08-2010, 02:51 PM
^ This is the kind of comment that outstounds me. You state that he is a second tier player in Argentina, that he would not cut it in La Liga, but you wonder if he would make in Serie A? You mean the league that just produced the CL winner, the one that has won more CL titles in the 2000's then the EPL, the one that many of Argentina's top players play? He clrealy does not have the quality to play in either of Italy's first two leagues, or he would be. The understimation of Italian football outstounds me. Many will have a rude awakening soon.
Trane I think you need one of these: :chillpill:

At no point does oldtimer say that he would have made it in Serie A, or really wonder for that matter. I believe the exact quote is
I'm not really qualified to comment on Serie A

torontocelt
07-08-2010, 02:53 PM
He was a second-tier player in Argentina. There are a lot of those. DC United did very well for many years using just this type of Argentinian player for many of their foreign players, and won many trophies doing so. TFC didn't have the coaching ability or other players to take advantage of a player like Vitti last year.

La Liga is a very tough league, probably better in quality (though not hype) than the Premiership. I doubt that most of our players, save DeRo, JDG, and now Mista could play at that level. I'm not really qualified to comment on Serie A. Do you really follow that league, or are you basing this commentary on your subjective impression of Vitti's "quality-level" for TFC last year, playing long-ball soccer?

What I am trying to say is that Vitti is not a 'real talent', not based on what I saw of him at TFC and not of what he accomplished in his time in Argentina if stats are anything to go by. He is just another mediocre player who has a decent touch and can do some things well, that is it. Believe me I know that La Liga and Serie A are way above Vitti's level, I mentioned other leagues also previously that I felt he could not cut it in. I mentioned La Liga and Serie A as those are leagues which are not British in style but are still European which I am used to watching.

Like I said I reckon Argentina and Brazil will produce tons of players the calibre of Pablo Vitti every year, I don't see anything special about the guy at all and his stats would back that up, not withstanding his time in Peru where he is doing better. I cannot really comment on Peru as I do not have a clue how high the standard of football is there? I just dont understand how some of you guys think he is that good? I have seen great players, I have seen fantastic players, I have seen some of the best in the world and I have seen plenty of mediocre players and this guy for me is nothing special at all. Tons of mediocre players have a good touch, tons track back when their team loses the ball, tons can take players on, he didn't do anything that I would say was fantastic and a make him a special player. I reckon we just have completely different expectancy levels when it comes to judging players. When I judge the players at celtic I dont judge them by SPL standards I judge them by a world standard, that is the way I have always done it, hence why I reckon McGeady is the only stand out player Celtic has currently. We have a ton of guys better than Pablo but I wouldn't say they were great players by any means.

trane
07-08-2010, 02:54 PM
^ What exactly do you need to know about Pablo Vitti, who was a good player in the MLS, to wonder if he would make it in one of the top leagues in the world?

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 02:58 PM
Fair enough torontocelt. I don't think we disagree there.

I think that a common, mediocre player by Argentinian standards would do well in MLS, provided he's with the right type of team and coach.

I started commenting because some people were saying he was utter garbage, which he's not.

Oldtimer
07-08-2010, 03:01 PM
^ What exactly do you need to know about Pablo Vitti, who was a good player in the MLS, to wonder if he would make it in one of the top leagues in the world?

trane, I don't know anything about Serie A. I would look to someone like yourself, who is more knowledgeable about Serie A to tell me if you think he could make it. There's more than just talent whether or not you can make it in a certain league, sometimes style or physical size, or team fit plays a role.

trane
07-08-2010, 03:04 PM
^ He has similar skill set, but clearly he is not good enough, overall.

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 06:27 PM
wow peterson...over lebrocca

Id prefer fast paced balls to long drooping ones... Just a preference. Plus peterson is only getting better

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 06:29 PM
Edited!!

:( but i love the insanity of Hscanovis double footed lunge.!!!:flare::flare::flare:

TFC_Central
07-08-2010, 06:38 PM
did anyone watch the video on page 4? (when vitti played with messi ect.)

It clearly shows him playing in his god-intended position of close setup man. Vitti will beat 1 or two guys. He then will deliver a good ball to a finisher who puts it in the net.
Having vitti fit both roles = no no. Guy's lets be serious here. A futbol team has to be precisely put together with a vision. We've been the revolving door of the league.

We need a vision & some gum to create cohesion. Last year we had so many great pieces to the visually appealing attacking football we all love and crave. However pieces alone cannot build the puzzle. With no clear vision of the final product [(MO)] a complex puzzle as such cannot be finished. /endof.

Blizzard
07-08-2010, 10:24 PM
Vitti may not have been total crap but for $300K+ a year he certainly was shite production wise....If he'd have taken $100k he may have been asked to stay....

He was asked to stay ... yes, at a cut. He chose to move on. He was a good player. I'm sorry that the most of the rest of the team didn't know how to play with him.

JonO
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
did anyone watch the video on page 4? (when vitti played with messi ect.)
Today Messi is one of the top players in the World and Vitti has bounced around Argentina/Ukraine/MLS and has now found a home in Peru...

Good for him that his found a place to excel, but to place the blame on Cummins and Mo is a bit ridiculous.

Oh damn - I didn't notice you send "/endof" Please ignore this post

Roogsy
07-09-2010, 08:41 AM
did anyone watch the video on page 4? (when vitti played with messi ect.)

It clearly shows him playing in his god-intended position of close setup man. Vitti will beat 1 or two guys. He then will deliver a good ball to a finisher who puts it in the net.
Having vitti fit both roles = no no. Guy's lets be serious here. A futbol team has to be precisely put together with a vision. We've been the revolving door of the league.

We need a vision & some gum to create cohesion. Last year we had so many great pieces to the visually appealing attacking football we all love and crave. However pieces alone cannot build the puzzle. With no clear vision of the final product [(MO)] a complex puzzle as such cannot be finished. /endof.


Best post of the thread.

Roogsy
07-09-2010, 08:43 AM
Today Messi is one of the top players in the World and Vitti has bounced around Argentina/Ukraine/MLS and has now found a home in Peru...

Good for him that his found a place to excel, but to place the blame on Cummins and Mo is a bit ridiculous.

Oh damn - I didn't notice you send "/endof" Please ignore this post


Sometimes it's all about the way you're raised. Much like kids don't start out brats, they're raised that way, much is the same with soccer players. I bet you if Vitti was trained in the Barcelona system like Messi was, maybe he wouldn't be Messi, but I bet he would be playing in the top tier of Europe. I think he was at a disadvantage in the dysfunctional Argentinian system.

brad
07-09-2010, 08:47 AM
Good for him that his found a place to excel, but to place the blame on Cummins and Mo is a bit ridiculous.

Actually, I do place the blame on Mo.

He is the one that brought in a skilled player that didn't fit our system. He should have spent the cap space on a player that would have helped us in out kick and run game.

All water under the bridge though.

Darlofletch
07-09-2010, 09:25 AM
did anyone watch the video on page 4? (when vitti played with messi ect.)

It clearly shows him playing in his god-intended position of close setup man. Vitti will beat 1 or two guys. He then will deliver a good ball to a finisher who puts it in the net.
Having vitti fit both roles = no no. Guy's lets be serious here. A futbol team has to be precisely put together with a vision. We've been the revolving door of the league.

We need a vision & some gum to create cohesion. Last year we had so many great pieces to the visually appealing attacking football we all love and crave. However pieces alone cannot build the puzzle. With no clear vision of the final product [(MO)] a complex puzzle as such cannot be finished. /endof.

a highlight package (can't actually see it as I'm at work, but i presume that's what it is) ooooooh! If it doesn't already exist out there I'm sure a package could be put together that shows Chad barrett to be the world's most prolific striker who never misses any chance, and scores some absolute blinders. I prefer the evidence of my own eyes through a whole season of games, he's skillful, but for whatever reason he rarely looked like being productive for us. There's hasn't been one single occasion this year when I've missed vitti and wished he was with us.

can't disagree with the revolving door and vision bit though.

Stouffville_RPB
07-09-2010, 09:30 AM
For everyone who said he couldn't play or didn't have skill here is an update.

16 Appearances (14 Starts) 7 Goals (and I doubt all of them were with his head).

It is a story more along the lines that people are starting to realize now as opposed to last season. The guy has talent but was out of place in Toronto. He was probably out of place in the Ukraine too. Not that I watch Ukrainian league but I would imagine it is closer to what TFC is playing now than Argentina or Peru.

I still stand by my thought that had the blast he buried last season not been called offside he would've had a very different season.

torontocelt
07-09-2010, 10:34 AM
For everyone who said he couldn't play or didn't have skill here is an update.

16 Appearances (14 Starts) 7 Goals (and I doubt all of them were with his head).

It is a story more along the lines that people are starting to realize now as opposed to last season. The guy has talent but was out of place in Toronto. He was probably out of place in the Ukraine too. Not that I watch Ukrainian league but I would imagine it is closer to what TFC is playing now than Argentina or Peru.

I still stand by my thought that had the blast he buried last season not been called offside he would've had a very different season.

When Vitti was signed and he couldn't hit a cows back side with a banjo, Vitti supporters defended his lack of goals by saying that he was never actually bought to score goals as that was not part of his game. Now he is scoring goals in Peru the Vitti fans are salivating at his goal per game ratio, it is a conundrum I am still trying to understand?

ag futbol
07-09-2010, 10:42 AM
When Vitti was signed and he couldn't hit a cows back side with a banjo, Vitti supporters defended his lack of goals by saying that he was never actually bought to score goals as that was not part of his game. Now he is scoring goals in Peru the Vitti fans are salivating at his goal per game ratio, it is a conundrum I am still trying to understand?
Don't quite remember anyone saying that. Some people thought he was more of an AM at first, but after watching him play in the midfield for 1 or 2 game, he's clearly a striker.

Add it the ever longer list of guys who became more successful when they left TFC. Really, when you think about it, that's the biggest red flag that points to the management rather than the players.

Stouffville_RPB
07-09-2010, 10:43 AM
Personally never defended him in that way but I did point out on multiple occasions that he was constantly making good moves off the ball that weren't seen by his teammates or many fans.

The style of play here didn't compliment his style thus a low goal total. He was never set up to succeed here.

Oldtimer
07-09-2010, 10:44 AM
When Vitti was signed and he couldn't hit a cows back side with a banjo, Vitti supporters defended his lack of goals by saying that he was never actually bought to score goals as that was not part of his game. Now he is scoring goals in Peru the Vitti fans are salivating at his goal per game ratio, it is a conundrum I am still trying to understand?

I remember this discussion:

(1) People said "if he's a striker, why is he playing mid/wing?"
(2) the response: "he wasn't brought to TFC as a striker."

But no-body ever said he wasn't a striker, it's just that he mostly played in other positions for TFC.

trane
07-09-2010, 10:54 AM
From what I understood he is a striker, but as he did not have or had lost the knack to score, and he had the skill sets to be a CM/AM type, he was moved into that position as it seemed to suite him better, at least when he was playing for TFC.

stretchthetruth
07-09-2010, 10:54 AM
has anyone done the

"pablo vitti
fuckin shitty"

chant in here yet? (to the tune of the old rohan ricketts fuckin wicked chant)

torontocelt
07-09-2010, 11:57 AM
Well I am glaqd he is doing well. Has anyone here actually followed the Peru league this season? Can you even get access to it in Canada? I tried to look the league up on the internet but a lack of spanish is a problem. How good is the league, do players regularly get moves from the league to bigger leagues ie Europe or the big teams in South America? How does the Peru champions do in the south american champions league? I literally know nothing about this league and sometimes stats can be deceptive as can video clips of specific players. It would be interesting to actually hear from someone who is following the league about their opinion of the standard of the league in world football terms as well as its players. I noticed that Vitti also has another Argentine playing along side him, they would have been together at Banfield I think as the dates cross over and his goals per game ration is also one in two or five in ten games. PErhaps they are reforming a deadly stike partnership?

TFC_Central
07-09-2010, 01:14 PM
a highlight package (can't actually see it as I'm at work, but i presume that's what it is) ooooooh! If it doesn't already exist out there I'm sure a package could be put together that shows Chad barrett to be the world's most prolific striker who never misses any chance, and scores some absolute blinders. I prefer the evidence of my own eyes through a whole season of games, he's skillful, but for whatever reason he rarely looked like being productive for us. There's hasn't been one single occasion this year when I've missed vitti and wished he was with us.

can't disagree with the revolving door and vision bit though.

It actually shows quite a few misses. However a majority of the good plays are through balls and crosses.

pawlukj
07-09-2010, 04:18 PM
From what i remember from pablo vitti, he did nothing for toronto fc, its good to see some new signings, hopefully well get out of our tieing ways this summer

spark
07-09-2010, 05:00 PM
Well I am glaqd he is doing well. Has anyone here actually followed the Peru league this season? Can you even get access to it in Canada? I tried to look the league up on the internet but a lack of spanish is a problem. How good is the league, do players regularly get moves from the league to bigger leagues ie Europe or the big teams in South America? How does the Peru champions do in the south american champions league? I literally know nothing about this league and sometimes stats can be deceptive as can video clips of specific players. It would be interesting to actually hear from someone who is following the league about their opinion of the standard of the league in world football terms as well as its players. I noticed that Vitti also has another Argentine playing along side him, they would have been together at Banfield I think as the dates cross over and his goals per game ration is also one in two or five in ten games. PErhaps they are reforming a deadly stike partnership?

The only thing I could find to gauge was their top three teams are sitting around the top three mexican teams in the world club rankings.