Gerba contract terminated

[profit89]

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2010/04/toronto-reaches-gerba-agreement

[Shaughno]

That frees up some serious cap space...

[ensco]

That frees up some serious cap space...

...unless it doesn't. Doesn't it depend on the terms of the buyout?

[Suds]

That frees up some serious cap space...

Do you know how this works? Does TFC clear 100% of what they were paying him?

[flatpicker]

That was one heck of failed project.

Hopefully this does indeed open up some room for shopping.

[trane]

As it is clear, the whole Gerba ordeal get me going, as they brought him in knowing what kind of player he was, the manager at the time never seemed to like him, the new manager did not like him, and now let him go for nothing.

What was the point of this? Again I like Gerba, I still think that he can score in this league, JUSt do not expect him to play like Barrett, he will not run around , he will burry chances, when he gets them.

[Whoop]

That's the kicker... does it free up cap since?

Usually buyouts mean you do free up limited cap space... but not a lot.

[Shaughno]

...unless it doesn't. Doesn't it depend on the terms of the buyout?


Do you know how this works? Does TFC clear 100% of what they were paying him?

Just posted in the other thread... I forget how it works, but I'm pretty sure the player is compensated. Not sure if it's through salary, allocations, or just MLSE's money...

[profit89]

how much was he on the books for ?

[Shaughno]

how much was he on the books for ?

TFC--Gerba, Ali--F--$144,996.00--$177,433.50

First number is base, second is guaranteed compensation. But keep in mind he was only here for half the year...

[mastermixer]

Wow that must be the shortest press release I have seen in a long time. But at least its something.

[profit89]

TFC--Gerba, Ali--F--$144,996.00--$177,433.50

First number is base, second is guaranteed compensation. But keep in mind he was only here for half the year...

Thanks.

[Nodoubtguy]

you gotta figure this means someone coming in soon......

[profit89]

you gotta figure this means someone coming in soon......

DP #2 ?

[wzhxvy]

or Garcia getting a raise

[Nodoubtguy]

DP #2 ?

I dunno about that, but something up front

[profit89]

you gotta figure this means someone coming in soon......

??

http://www.footballpictures.net/data/media/45/Marco_Materazzi_Inter.jpg

[Nuvinho]

This is the same thing that happened last year with Ricketts. Does anyone remember if we brought in someone else to replace him right way? That could give us an indication of whether or not it comes off the books or not.

[Pigfynn]

and if it's not a striker I'm gonna fucking scream and then :puke:and then :facepalm:

[Mikey]

Can't help but think peoples expectations were a bit high for a player just released from contract at Milton fucking Keynes FC....! :rolleyes:

[Shaughno]

All financial speculation aside.... what would you think if we replaced Gerba with Dickov at or around the same cost or cheaper???? Purely fictional, but I'm curious to see since people seemed to be on the fence with Paul.

[Pigfynn]

^ Totally ok with that Jay, for the same cost that is

[Nodoubtguy]

All financial speculation aside.... what would you think if we replaced Gerba with Dickov at or around the same cost or cheaper???? Purely fictional, but I'm curious to see since people seemed to be on the fence with Paul.

If Gerba didn't work, maybe Dickov will.....better then trying nothing

[Lucky Strike]

I wondered about this last week with guaranteed contracts and the bind TFC seems to be in regarding the cap. MLSE has more money than God, couldn't they just buy out anyone they couldn't release outright and free up cap space? I mean, you never want to pay someone to leave but sometimes it's necessary.

So like others, I suppose the question returns to: does this clear up cap space? If so, how much? Logically, you have to think they got some cap space otherwise they wouldn't buy Gerba out. You wouldn't get rid of an asset (regardless of what you think of his abilities) if it doesn't confer some advantage elsewhere. Suppose they club was hit by an epic injury crisis, he could be recalled to the squad or perhaps something changes in the relationship between player and coach, etc...

Anyway, I feel comfortable in assuming we got some cap space out of it.

[CretanBull]

This is the same thing that happened last year with Ricketts. Does anyone remember if we brought in someone else to replace him right way? That could give us an indication of whether or not it comes off the books or not.

There's a particular date where if you're released after that date the full value of that contract counts against the cap. Ricketts worked out his release days before that date. When a buy-out happens before that date (which is where we are now) I'm not sure if none of the contract counts, or if a pro-rated amount counts or some other variation.

[Nuvinho]

not even the media knows about what this does to the cap:


sportsnetsoccer (http://twitter.com/sportsnetsoccer)

Gerba officially "terminated" by TFC. Wonder what it means to the salary cap?

[westrouge]

TFC--Gerba, Ali--F--$144,996.00--$177,433.50

First number is base, second is guaranteed compensation. But keep in mind he was only here for half the year...

Does anyone know for sure how much Gerba's full year salary was this year? I'm not sure if we can simply multiply 177,433 x 2...For example, De Guzman is listed at 900,000, but he only played six games. Doing the math according to the proportion of games he played in the season, De Guzman would have earned about 4.5 million, which he does not (If I'm correct he's actually at 2.7 million).

So, does anyone know the total amount of Gerba's salary?

[Dirk Diggler]

I doubt this gives us a whole lot of cap flexibility. If that were the case, why wouldn't we just buy out players like Robinson instead of trading him to NY and also paying his salary? The league would not make a cap system in which the rich teams can get away with poor cap management by constantly buying out contracts that don't work out. That goes against the purpose of implementing salary caps in the first place.

[canadian_bhoy]

Any Butterfinger's as part of the deal?


sportsnetsoccer (http://twitter.com/sportsnetsoccer)

Gerba officially "terminated" by TFC. Wonder what it means to the salary cap?They killed him??? :O

[Pigfynn]

Wonder if this is tied in with possibly moving Frei? Maybe they were waiting to see when they could get rid of Gerba, free the space and make a trade for a player or a draft pick allocation combo so they can go after someone pricey. You never know with this lot.

[profit89]

I doubt this gives us a whole lot of cap flexibility. If that were the case, why wouldn't we just buy out players like Robinson instead of trading him to NY and also paying his salary? The league would not make a cap system in which the rich teams can get away with poor cap management by constantly buying out contracts that don't work out. That goes against the purpose of implementing salary caps in the first place.

Very true !

I suspect you get back something in the form of allocation perhaps. But not much.

[Lucky Strike]

They killed him??? :O

The real reason players didn't want to come play for TFC - the turf was just a cover.

[billyfly]

Somebody contact Future Wave and ask them what they will be doing.

[TFC Via Buffalo]

That frees up some serious cap space...

And space in the locker room. :D

[wzhxvy]

Any Butterfinger's as part of the deal?

They killed him??? :O

just on the inside...

[ManUtd4ever]

I just hope that now that Gerba's release is "official", the amount of cap relief TBD is utilized towards a striker! DeRo belongs in the midfield...

[CretanBull]

And space in the locker room. :D

and shorter lines for the chip-butties :D

[rocker]

Wonder if this is tied in with possibly moving Frei?

Where did the notion that Frei's on the block come from? Just fans speculating or did one of our "insiders" say this?

[DangerRed]

Fantastic day for TFC, horrible black stain on Mo's already sullied record.

This in no way moves the needle materially enough to let us sign a second DP. At best, we'll get Dickov to replace him. In July. Till then, you better get well used to the gangly stylings of O'Brian White. You'll be seeing him every game until then.

Unless White is injured. Then...:noidea:

[DangerRed]

Also, this from Molinaro's Twitter. Great point:

Hard to believe that Ali Gerba was thanked by the club for his contributions via press release, but Carl Robinson & Adrian Serious (sic) were not.

Keep it classy, Front Office.

[brad]

Fantastic day for TFC, horrible black stain on Mo's already sullied record.

This in no way moves the needle materially enough to let us sign a second DP. At best, we'll get Dickov to replace him. In July. Till then, you better get well used to the gangly stylings of O'Brian White. You'll be seeing him every game until then.

Unless White is injured. Then...:noidea:

When is Barrett expected back?

[mastermixer]

When is Barrett expected back?
I remember him saying he is aiming for the home opener... but who knows.

[DangerRed]

When is Barrett expected back?

Preki's said he should miss the first few games of the season. Even when he comes back, you've already seen how he performs under pressure. I really hope this is his break-out season and the guy's a workhorse, but his finishing record speaks for itself.

[Shaughno]

He 'broke his foot' right? So he missed most if not all or preseason... and depending on when it happened... might not have started training yet?

[Velvet Elvis]

I was telling Shags earlier ... Barrett could ratchet up my stress levels this season to unimaginable levels ... gut feeling :lol:

[Shaughno]

I was telling Shags earlier ... Barrett could ratchet up my stress levels this season to unimaginable levels ... gut feeling :lol:


:D

http://www.cevan.com/newlabels/061%20Stress%20formula.gif

[Section 117]

Rumor has it he might be dressed for this up comming game, but for sure for the home opener

[Shaughno]

^^ Beauty, thanks 117.

[Pigfynn]

He's been training has he not?

and rocker: the rumour of a possible trade of Frei has been around since Mo was actively shopping him during the draft

[Nuvinho]

if Peterson was ahead of Barrett in returning.....does that mean he is ready for this weekend?

[Pigfynn]

foot injury is pretty straight forward

knee injury= tricky

[Pigfynn]

John's twitter:

I just spoke to Ali Gerba. He declined to comment or give any details on his contract being mutually terminated by #TFC (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC). about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/11651780802)via web

[maninb]

He 'broke his foot' right? So he missed most if not all or preseason... and depending on when it happened... might not have started training yet?

He's been training since Florida (approx 3 weeks)....last I heard he's about 90%...

[Shaughno]

He's been training since Florida (approx 3 weeks)....last I heard he's about 90%...


Ahhhh sheeeeeeeit! Cheers, hadn't seen an update so I was just guessing from early Feb's information. :lol:

[RedRum]

Gerba's salary for this year is in excess of 300k. How much over 300k I do not know.

[Pigfynn]

John's strory on Gerba:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/04/05/sp-tfc-gerba.html

[ensco]

I've got a funny feeling we're going to see him again at BMO soon....like maybe April 28.

[dag]

With all these players being let go (Robinson, Wynne, Gerba), I have to wonder, how is the roster actually being improved? Has TFC actually gotten any better because of this? All I see is a depleted lineup.

[Beach_Red]

I've got a funny feeling we're going to see him again at BMO soon....like maybe April 28.

You may be right. His press stuff is coming from Radio Canada, isn't it.

[maninb]

If Gerba didn't work, maybe Dickov will.....better then trying nothing

Signing a 38 year old 5'5 striker???? LMAO!!! Mo must get extra cash for signing washed up Scotsmen...

[KezmanCCCC]

im going to miss gerba.. i thought he was going to bring something this season to the club... but i guess its good to clear up some cap space

[rocker]

Wow.. this is one sad looking resume...

2000 Montreal Impact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Impact) 17 (6) 2001 Miami Fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Fusion) 0 (0) 2002 Pittsburgh Riverhounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Riverhounds) 19 (1) 2002–2003 Toronto Lynx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Lynx) 25 (6) 2003–2004 Montreal Impact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Impact) 7 (1) 2004–2005 Toronto Lynx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Lynx) 32 (17) 2005 Montreal Impact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Impact) 8 (5) 2005 GIF Sundsvall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF_Sundsvall) 11 (5) 2006–2007 Göteborg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFK_G%C3%B6teborg) 6 (0) 2006 → Odd Grenland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd_Grenland) (loan) 10 (1) 2007 → AC Horsens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Horsens) (loan) 15 (4) 2008 Ingolstadt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Ingolstadt_04) 11 (3) 2008–2009 Milton Keynes Dons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Dons_F.C.) 24 (10) 2009–2010 Toronto FC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC) 11 (1)

[ensco]

You may be right. His press stuff is coming from Radio Canada, isn't it.

He's from Montreal (more accurately, spent his teen years there)

[bgnewf]

My take on this:

http://tfcpics.com/blog.html

[Beach_Red]

He's from Montreal (more accurately, spent his teen years there)


Yes, and he's already played for them and he is in Montreal right now, isn't he? At least he's been mostly talking to the Montreal press, hasn't he?

[billyfly]

I already know the script. He scores against us in the CCL.

[S_D]

With all these players being let go (Robinson, Wynne, Gerba), I have to wonder, how is the roster actually being improved? Has TFC actually gotten any better because of this? All I see is a depleted lineup.

I guess sometimes you have to take a few step back to take a step forward. Hopefully there is some cap space open that preki can get a few more players in. I guess that this isn't just about this season but next season too when I assume these salaries will be off the books, along with Garcia's and Barrett's who will be enetering his club option contract year.

And on the brighter side, just because you don't have a lot of money doesn't mean you can't field a competitive team. Look at what PRI did when they stuck to a system and they didn't spend nearly what MLS teams spend on salaries.

Preki just has to make sure Mo doesn't offer people outrageous contracts to put TFC back in the hole. :D

[TFC USA]

TFC is going to run out of Canadian players at this rate.

[rocker]

With all these players being let go (Robinson, Wynne, Gerba), I have to wonder, how is the roster actually being improved? Has TFC actually gotten any better because of this? All I see is a depleted lineup.

well, Gerba contributed nothing so you can't lose nothing :)

Robinson was already replaced by De Guz last year (remember Robbo was hurt at the end of 2009). Wynne? Well who knows yet. Labrocca has only played a small part of one game. If they'd put Gargan or somebody at RB and Nana in the middle with Harden, then the defense probably is better than it was before.

[drewski]

well, Gerba contributed nothing so you can't lose nothing :)

sad as it is, he contributed more goals last year than the entire team has so far this year :(

[Blizzard]

well, Gerba contributed nothing so you can't lose nothing :)

Robinson was already replaced by De Guz last year (remember Robbo was hurt at the end of 2009). Wynne? Well who knows yet. Labrocca has only played a small part of one game. If they'd put Gargan or somebody at RB and Nana in the middle with Harden, then the defense probably is better than it was before.

... and Robinson is hurt again. It will be interesting to see whether or not we dodged a bullet by moving him on. How many games is he going to be fit to play for RBNY?

[ensco]

^ not sure this is right. We might have been better off, in terms of the cap hit, to keep Robbo so long as he is on the IR. Or it may not matter - we may be getting relief while he is injured.

[rocker]

sad as it is, he contributed more goals last year than the entire team has so far this year :(

well that`s an unfair comparison ..... call me after TFC plays 11 league games :)

[Redpunkfiddle]

^ not sure this is right. We might have been better off, in terms of the cap hit, to keep Robbo so long as he is on the IR. Or it may not matter - we may be getting relief while he is injured.


IR? He isn't out for the season. You can't just IR somebody who will be able to play.

[werewolf]

well that`s an unfair comparison ..... call me after TFC plays 11 league games :)

that's an unfair comparison as well, he didn't play the entire match for most of those games. He scored once in 534 mins...the team has surpassed that before...

[FluSH]

and this reminds me why we don't have too many player chants... they are done in a season most of the time... although we saw this one coming.

[Kaz]

well that`s an unfair comparison ..... call me after TFC plays 11 league games :)
Please don't tempt fate... don't make me track you down in July and hurt you.

[bones]

wow, is $/minutes played must be up there with Bexy.

seeeya Gerba

Bones...

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

I wonder if TFC will try to go after Kerry Baptiste now that Gerba is gone? They were rumoured to looking at him in the preseason but then he went on trial in England, but it doesn't look like he stuck over there.

[DichioTFC]

TFC immediately signed our draft pick (Nane Joseph) with the Ali G money. Plus, according to The Sun, there's money to sign a couple players.

I'm actually hoping a winger and a striker. Kayizzi would be nice.

[Pigfynn]

Kayizzi is playing somewhere else and scored this past weekend...Serbia I think..don't quote me but I read it somewhere.

[Pigfynn]

Ya! FK Srem.. the same club he's been with since 2008.

[Blowing Bubbles]

No bonafide strikers
No bonafide center backs

But we are out of cap space.

:facepalm:

[DichioTFC]

Any Butterfinger's as part of the deal?

They killed him??? :O

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/t4.jpg

he wont be back...

[DichioTFC]

No bonafide strikers
No bonafide center backs

But we are out of cap space.

:facepalm:

Did we have bonafide strikers before Gerba was released?

[DichioTFC]

Whitecaps officials have said banished Toronto FC forward Ali Gerba is not on their radar.

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Haber+reportedly+Whitecaps+radar/2765353/story.html

Apparently the Whitecaps aren't as stupid as MoJo

[Lucky Strike]

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Haber+reportedly+Whitecaps+radar/2765353/story.html

Apparently the Whitecaps aren't as stupid as MoJo

Good for them and good for us - one less team he might come back and score a hat trick for against TFC.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Haber+reportedly+Whitecaps+radar/2765353/story.html

Apparently the Whitecaps aren't as stupid as MoJo

Maybe their radar is just malfunctioning, I can't imagine something as large as Gerba would go undetected.

[Mark in Ottawa]

I guess I am just too old & dumb to follow it all.
I thought that all of the players contracts were with MLS and that the teams agreed to carry the contract as part of the defined outlay against a specific salary cap, unless the player was exempt by virtue of being classified a designated player.

If a team "released" a player does he not become available to the rest of the teams in the MLS? (with some discussions between the two franchises involved as to who will pay what portion of the contract value).

Does this news mean that Gerba was waived through the MLS completely because no franchise wanted him? And does that mean that TFC pays completely for his "buy-out"?

[menefreghista]

Also, this from Molinaro's Twitter. Great point:

Hard to believe that Ali Gerba was thanked by the club for his contributions via press release, but Carl Robinson & Adrian Serious (sic) were not.

Keep it classy, Front Office.

I'm guessing they have learned from their past mistakes. Trying to be a bit more classy I suppose.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

yeah thats sorta what i thought too, talk about shit timing

[menefreghista]

Probably further proof of how much the FO follows this forum.

The fans complained that the teams PR was woefully lacking and then the next time a player is released or leaves they are quick on the ball.

Not sure why it was so hard in the first place for supposed professionals.

[Pigfynn]

^^This is a good thing and is really the bare minimum of what should be happening

[Dbl_D]

the one thing I'm not seeing here is...

how come we haven't signed Dichio short term to play until we get some decent strikers... just putting him on the bench should strike fear in to all that play us ;)...

man a couple years ago we were playing our trainers and someone for beer just to put peeps on the field...