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cmonyoureds
03-20-2010, 11:53 AM
Seems like people are getting sick of the annual revolving door at TFC, and even more so with the increasing reputation of how some players are treated (rumored or not, aka Robbo forced out), and I won't even sink so low as to mention results.

Anyone thought of expressing the thoughts via something like the Glazers must go campaign across the pond? Those green and gold scarves are everywhere and gaining the right kind of publicity. Fans are supporting the team but still getting the message across.

Could you imagine at BMO, "please hold your scarves up high for the national...." and all you see is a sea of MO Must Go Scarves? Must say that'd be television/media beauty.

Parkdale
03-20-2010, 12:17 PM
this wouldn't fit into any of the other threads on the same subject?

TFC Cityboy
03-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Just as the complaint thread wasn't enough...

Yeoman
03-20-2010, 12:27 PM
there was a mo must go thread last year?

cmonyoureds
03-20-2010, 12:36 PM
nope, wouldn't fit in the other threads

Eastend
03-20-2010, 12:48 PM
This is MO town....he fits in with MLSE nicely.

vince93
03-20-2010, 01:07 PM
Its not like i a huge MO fan or a fan of his at all, but in fairness Mo has a huge disadvantage compared to all the other teams, MO has to fill canadian roster spots with high priced average players.

MG42
03-20-2010, 01:08 PM
^no excuses allowed for Mo in the Mo Must Go thread please :)

MFG1
03-20-2010, 04:54 PM
I am a Mo must goer, celebrating my second anniversary

twistedchinaman
03-20-2010, 05:26 PM
^ Congrats!

Brooker
03-20-2010, 06:06 PM
another thread? w00t!

can we make a Mo Must Go section of this board for all these threads?

TFCAlbertaGirl
03-20-2010, 06:23 PM
seriously thinking might have to jump on the bandwagon this year.

MFG1
03-20-2010, 06:23 PM
I seriously want to order these, on the back, i will price out to have, "MO MUST GO"
anyone interested, PM with size.
http://6dollarshirts.com/t-shirts/Brick-Wall-Bustin-Thirst-Quenchin-p-11137.html

TFCAlbertaGirl
03-20-2010, 06:25 PM
Looks like the kool aide guys smile. What does that have to do with Mo?


I seriously want to order these, on the back, i will price out to have, "MO MUST GO"
anyone interested, PM with size.
http://6dollarshirts.com/t-shirts/Brick-Wall-Bustin-Thirst-Quenchin-p-11137.html

MFG1
03-20-2010, 06:29 PM
^ drinking MLSE's red koolaid for the last three years! Im Full!!!

MFG1
03-20-2010, 07:00 PM
and another thing , if he has said he would quit after this year if we failed to make the playoffs, that means he gets off easy for this horrible effort. He should have been fired instead of getting an extension. Basically over the last three years, for everytime he told the media and fans to be patient, it takes time, we are really close to signing ...., remember the five year plan, he was filling your ass with so much hot air as it is obviously is starting to show that he really hasn't minimal skills for this job.

FootieChick
03-20-2010, 07:13 PM
It wasn't a 5 year plan, it was a 3... I don't see us in the playoffs this year... sad to say, and I hate saying it. I'll be honest, I haven't done much research on the whole issue, but I know enough to be aware that Mo needs to get the eff outta dodge because the fans as well as the players are not happy with his "progress" (if that is what you call it). If the players aren't happy, they won't play well. It's common sense.

twistedchinaman
03-20-2010, 07:40 PM
^ drinking MLSE's red koolaid for the last three years! Im Full!!!

Exactly. You can only take so much butylated hydroxyanisole-preserved shite before you barf up something that shouldn't be barfed up.

Redcoe15
03-20-2010, 07:54 PM
I officialy jumped on the MO MUST GO!!! bandwagon after they released Serioux and Robinson. I gave Mo the benefit of the doubt before because of his knowledge of the league. Now, I don't believe he knows or cares about what he's doing.

sully
03-20-2010, 08:05 PM
I officialy jumped on the MO MUST GO!!! bandwagon after they released Serioux and Robinson. I gave Mo the benefit of the doubt before because of his knowledge of the league. Now, I don't believe he knows or cares about what he's doing.

I'm with you Redcoe.

billyfly
03-20-2010, 09:31 PM
Still don't understand how no one hasn't registered MoMustGo.com.

Stryker
03-20-2010, 09:38 PM
Can't believe I defended him the first three seasons. Stupid was I.

MFG1
03-20-2010, 10:02 PM
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/mo_johnston/

study the pattern kids. there will be a test.

Beach_Red
03-20-2010, 10:20 PM
Can't believe I defended him the first three seasons. Stupid was I.


I can't believe no one but MLSE wants to own a sports franchise in this city - it's got to be the easiest company in the country to run. No matter how shitty a job you do, there'll never have to be changes at the top.

Torontotonto
03-20-2010, 11:02 PM
I've been on the MO MUST GO ever since he scewed over Danny. Can't take the flight?

Dirk Diggler
03-20-2010, 11:26 PM
I've been on the Mo must go wagon ever since he displayed the fact that he does not have a clue about what he is doing. Combined with his previous history of incompetence in NY, I made up my mind about him towards the end of the second season. Unfortunately too many people were drinking his "5 Year Plan" kool-aid up until this year, thus there has been no pressure on him since now.

RedsYNWA
03-21-2010, 09:45 AM
Whoever defends Mo just does not know footy
MO = NO SUCCESS

Davenport
03-21-2010, 10:37 AM
I don't know why people call him Mo.
That's a nickname and a term of endearment.

To me he's Johnston.

He's Johnston, and he's f*cking useless.

ilikemusic
03-21-2010, 11:01 AM
Ive wanted Mo gone for years. Im completely apathetic about him at this point. It was as obvious two years ago as it is now that Mo is completely fucking useless and he is only hurting this team. I find it slightly amusing that so many other people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon all of a sudden.

koryo
03-21-2010, 11:04 AM
In the beginning, I gave Johnston the benefit of the doubt. But, as CretanBull so aptly stated in another thread, I'm sick of that bastard lying to us. He's a cancer, plain and simple.

Now if you'll excuse me, there's a crap movie on the telly about giant bugs.

Ontario Arab
03-21-2010, 11:09 AM
Show Mo the Red Card....make up a bunch of Red Cards and hand them out at the home opener...he will get the picture...I will always remember it was done to Maggie Thatcher at a Scottish Cup Final, it was priceless.

reggie
03-21-2010, 11:27 AM
1 wk before the season starts,and we have no clue about our roster.
diff year same shit,we had a better roster last year.
MO MUST GO NOW...STOP COUNTING YR CASH AND WAKE UP MLSE...

Redcoe15
03-21-2010, 11:43 AM
I don't know why people call him Mo.
That's a nickname and a term of endearment.

To me he's Johnston.

He's Johnston, and he's f*cking useless.
Except that saying MO MUST GO! rolls off the tounge so nicely.

Ontario Arab
03-21-2010, 12:08 PM
Except that saying MO MUST GO! rolls off the tounge so nicely.
Redcoe...Im lovin the avatar...thats from chat roulette...funny as fuck site like lol.....apart from the ocasionall weirdo late at night lol.

Redcoe15
03-21-2010, 01:35 PM
^^ Thanks. :thumbsup:

King Tut
03-21-2010, 01:36 PM
+1 to the "GINGER CUNT MUST GO!" campaign.

Now lets step it up in the stands, outside Gate 4 and not keep it to the messageboards. Make your voices heard at each and every match!

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 02:02 PM
^ T-shirts as well...I want to be able to wear my distaste on the streets of Calgary.

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 02:07 PM
I was talking to Koryo yesterday and said that it seemed obvious that Mo had a solid plan in place during season 2. He devoted that season to collecting allocation money and 1st round draft picks. It was clear that he was planning on making a move in season 3 - and he did. He drafted well (after not being able to deal the picks for established MLS players) he brough in DeRo, signed out first DP and use the allocation money to make other roster improvements.

In short, he had a plan in season 2 and in season 3 he went for it. I have no problem giving him credit for that. The problem is that his gamble didn't pay off, and now we're fucked because of it. I like the fact that he was willing to take a shot - the MLS is a league where if you have a shot, you take it.

But upper management have to now have the...I dunno if its brains or balls...to hold him accountable. He rolled the dice, it didn't pay off, now fire him. He had his shot, he took his chance and it failed. Time to let someone else do the same. He can't fix his own mess because he's tied to it.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 02:23 PM
^ Exactly. This isn't Casino Royale...Johnston rolled the dice, lost and is now broke. And there isn't a Felix Leiter to save him; we need a real James Bond to come forward.

TFCtoMUFC
03-21-2010, 02:27 PM
If Mo Johnston can run an MLS team....so can I.

Yohan
03-21-2010, 02:50 PM
I was talking to Koryo yesterday and said that it seemed obvious that Mo had a solid plan in place during season 2. He devoted that season to collecting allocation money and 1st round draft picks. It was clear that he was planning on making a move in season 3 - and he did. He drafted well (after not being able to deal the picks for established MLS players) he brough in DeRo, signed out first DP and use the allocation money to make other roster improvements.

In short, he had a plan in season 2 and in season 3 he went for it. I have no problem giving him credit for that. The problem is that his gamble didn't pay off, and now we're fucked because of it. I like the fact that he was willing to take a shot - the MLS is a league where if you have a shot, you take it.

But upper management have to now have the...I dunno if its brains or balls...to hold him accountable. He rolled the dice, it didn't pay off, now fire him. He had his shot, he took his chance and it failed. Time to let someone else do the same. He can't fix his own mess because he's tied to it.
ya i understood the 3 yr plan thing too. but then, you gotta wonder, what was Mo going to about season 4 when all the overpriced players needed to come off the cap?

sampace
03-21-2010, 02:58 PM
I think with the 10th anniversary of Canada being championed to an unexpected Gold Cup in 2000, let us not forget Holger Osieck. I think Holger as G.M. would work well with our new head coach.

Let's bring in Holger, he can make it happen again and a Canadian Team can pull of a few upsets!!!

TFC USA
03-21-2010, 04:14 PM
I think mighty and smenge could run TFC better than Mo.

Beach_Red
03-21-2010, 06:48 PM
I was talking to Koryo yesterday and said that it seemed obvious that Mo had a solid plan in place during season 2. He devoted that season to collecting allocation money and 1st round draft picks. It was clear that he was planning on making a move in season 3 - and he did. He drafted well (after not being able to deal the picks for established MLS players) he brough in DeRo, signed out first DP and use the allocation money to make other roster improvements.

In short, he had a plan in season 2 and in season 3 he went for it. I have no problem giving him credit for that. The problem is that his gamble didn't pay off, and now we're fucked because of it. I like the fact that he was willing to take a shot - the MLS is a league where if you have a shot, you take it.

But upper management have to now have the...I dunno if its brains or balls...to hold him accountable. He rolled the dice, it didn't pay off, now fire him. He had his shot, he took his chance and it failed. Time to let someone else do the same. He can't fix his own mess because he's tied to it.


This is a very good post.

Do you think upper management approved the plan and discussed what would be considered a successful season?

TFC finished with more points than in season two and in fact, they tied with RSL for points, didn't they, the team that won the Cup? It's possible that upper management are holding him accountable, but they feel it was successful enough to warrant another season at the helm. Remember, these are guys who can't get the richest hockey team in the world into the playoffs. Where do you think they set the bar?

Upper management aren't going to fire themselves, so they'll make sure to set goals they can reach. Nothing stops with the GM of TFC or the guy above hom or even him - it's a long chain to the top and each one sets goals they know they can achieve to keep their jobs. Everbody in this organization has to answer to someone, the buck never stops it just keeps getting passed.

So, there isn't going to be a change this season, it's a pointless waste of energy to keep demanding one - but it does guarantee that changes won't be made high enough up the chain to make a difference.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 06:59 PM
B_R successful "enough" is no longer going to be "enough". We've had three seasons to get the house in order...and so far we're still a construction zone due to a multitude of reasons, most of which lie ultimately at the feet of Mo Johnston.

- Had the resources to build a team, and so far has not used them/have not been allowed to use them fully;
- Had a huge following backing him in the stands, now most of that is gone (hell, even a guy called UltraSuperMegaMo is cheesed off...);
- Had some good players whom he ejected without replacing, some of which are playing for competitors;
- Had some players whom he thought was gone, but turned out to be duds;
- Had the chance to fall on his sword and let someone take over, but has the gall to declare that his plans are "a 5 Year Plan!" (no Johnston, this is not a communist society...)

The list could go on and on. Nevertheless, I will continue to rail for him to be fired -- but if we miss the playoffs again, there better be a new GM/director of soccer/whatever the hell they call it in place for 2011. The man has three years...if you can't get it right by four, it ain't gonna happen.

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 07:04 PM
This is a very good post.

Do you think upper management approved the plan and discussed what would be considered a successful season?

TFC finished with more points than in season two and in fact, they tied with RSL for points, didn't they, the team that won the Cup? It's possible that upper management are holding him accountable, but they feel it was successful enough to warrant another season at the helm. Remember, these are guys who can't get the richest hockey team in the world into the playoffs. Where do you think they set the bar?

Upper management aren't going to fire themselves, so they'll make sure to set goals they can reach. Nothing stops with the GM of TFC or the guy above hom or even him - it's a long chain to the top and each one sets goals they know they can achieve to keep their jobs. Everbody in this organization has to answer to someone, the buck never stops it just keeps getting passed.

So, there isn't going to be a change this season, it's a pointless waste of energy to keep demanding one - but it does guarantee that changes won't be made high enough up the chain to make a difference.

That is life in the land of MLSE - "No me, him!"...the only ones fired are the ones who get fed up and want to leave.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 07:07 PM
That is life in the land of MLSE - "No me, him!"...the only ones fired are the ones who get fed up and want to leave.

Is MLSE really, truly a company that is this dense?

Leafs fans: your team sucks, STOP GOING TO GAMES! Then this may send some tremors down the corridors of MLSE.

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 07:13 PM
Is MLSE really, truly a company that is this dense?

Leafs fans: your team sucks, STOP GOING TO GAMES! Then this may send some tremors down the corridors of MLSE.

"Stop going? But it's the Leafs man, the Leafs! I'm a real fan and I'll stick by my team through thick and thin!! Leafs!"

Every time MLSE hears that - and they hear it hundreds of thousands of times - they breathe a sign of relief.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 07:17 PM
"Stop going? But it's the Leafs man, the Leafs! I'm a real fan and I'll stick by my team through thick and thin!! Leafs!"

Then are Leafs Nation that stupid?

Pardon the ignorance of this Westerner, but if you go to a restaurant and it has consistent bad food and bad service, would you repeatedly go? Isn't that the same thing with the Laffs?

Beach_Red
03-21-2010, 07:28 PM
Then are Leafs Nation that stupid?

Pardon the ignorance of this Westerner, but if you go to a restaurant and it has consistent bad food and bad service, would you repeatedly go? Isn't that the same thing with the Laffs?


They are a monopoly. They are the only company "championing" sports in this city. There is nowhere in town with better food and better service.

People here have long complained about TFC's lack of integrity. And I agree. And it starts at the top. The very top. You want lack of integrity? The largest shareholder of MLSE is a union - and when the union contract at one of their other holdings (Maple Leaf Foods) ran out instead of bargaining, they forced them into a strike position, forced them to take pay cuts and tried to break that union. That's what we're dealing with, that evel of integrity. Everyone who gets hired has to serve that master.

Remember, this is the organization that coudn't come to terms with Scotty Bowman and let him go win Stanley Cups with Detroit. This is an organization whose GM went to bed thinking he had a deal with Wayne Gretsky and woke up to find out the board wouldn't approve it.

We really have no ida what goes on in the workings of TFC but to assume that they've been given all the necessary resources is taking a pretty big leap considering the way the same organization runs its other businesses.

But look, they do respond to fans' pressure. they resign favourite players against GM wishes, force GMs to trade to get back favourite players. They did get grass and a DP.

Maybe if the fans make enough noise they'll actualy hire some scouts. But they'll always look for the no cost solution first. They do have to be forced.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 07:38 PM
Maybe if the fans make enough noise they'll actualy hire some scouts. But they'll always look for the no cost solution first. They do have to be forced.

And what better way to force them than to:

a) Publicly humiliate them: marches, chants, negative media.
b) Hurt their wallets: not go to games, no buying merch, etc.

Since b) is unpalatable, a) is the only choice, and when have we been known to be quiet? :D

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 07:41 PM
I can't help but laugh, they had a chance to sign Wayne fucking Gretsky....and didn't.

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 07:44 PM
Then are Leafs Nation that stupid?

Pardon the ignorance of this Westerner, but if you go to a restaurant and it has consistent bad food and bad service, would you repeatedly go? Isn't that the same thing with the Laffs?

Since I've lived in Toronto, The Flames have had a Stanley Cup win, been to the finals another time and made it deep into the play-offs several times. The Leafs have had "what if?" dreams of '93, that's it.

Edit: Historically, do you know what happens when the Habs look like they're floundering? No one goes to the games and the entire city stops buying Molson beer (they own the team). When the team is playing ugly and nothing is being done about it, if you walk into a hockey bar and order a Molson Ex, you'll get a Labatt Blue.

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 07:46 PM
Since I've lived in Toronto, The Flames have had a Stanley Cup win, been to the finals another time and made it deep into the play-offs several times. The Leafs have had "what if?" dreams of '93, that's it.

What does that mean?

(Sorry, confuzzled I is.)

twistedchinaman
03-21-2010, 07:47 PM
I can't help but laugh, they had a chance to sign Wayne fucking Gretsky....and didn't.

By the end of his career he wasn't doing so well...still, an iconic player like that...I can see where you get the :facepalm:

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 08:30 PM
Gretzky was still a decent player after that Leafs deal fell through. He had a number of seasons with over a point per game, in what was essentially the dead puck era.

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 08:35 PM
On the subject of Mo Johnston, I think his job is pretty safe until the end of the season. Obviously no playoffs and he's out.

But what happens if we fail to make the Concacaf Champions League? The first time that happened I was sure that was the perfect time to fire his ass. But it didn't happen and we are still stuck with him.

I also wonder if maybe the sale of the new North end seats go slow it has any bearing on Mo Johnston's future? The team taking an economic hit would probably make MLSE notice a lot more than how well the team is doing. Of course, these tickets will probably sell out by the end of the week.

Beach_Red
03-21-2010, 08:44 PM
Gretzky was still a decent player after that Leafs deal fell through. He had a number of seasons with over a point per game, in what was essentially the dead puck era.

Yes, it wasn't the end of his career, he went to St. Louis instead and then to the Rangers. Still, that's not really even the point. Fletcher made the deal and MLSE over ruled him.

Still, I think letting Mike Illitch sign Scotty Bowman was probably a bigger mistake. Not signing Bob Gainey could have gone either way. Pat Quinn was safe, 35 yeas running NHL teams and no cups. MLSE could never have someone walking around the halls with a handful of Stanley Cup rings - how are they going to tell him what to do? (Well, they told Fletcher what to do, so I guess one ring is the limit).

But the real point here is what good will chaging the GM do if the new one doesn't get the kind of control that we think Brian Burke has?

What are the real infrastructure problems with TFC? What do the fams really want? Do we want full-time scouts in South America? Do we want the bigget scouting system in MLS as the most profitable team should have? Or do we just want a different guy as GM?

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 08:52 PM
Still, that's not really even the point. Fletcher made the deal and MLSE over ruled him.

I got this point, was just trying to answer twistedchinaman's question. Really love your summary of why MLSE is evil.

As for what do fans want? The bottom line is winning. And if you can't do that, you have to at least sell the hope of winning in the future. At this point in time, I'm not too sure where TFC is going and its hard to have any hope. The management of this team has left me highly cynical.

Alixir
03-21-2010, 09:04 PM
I think with the 10th anniversary of Canada being championed to an unexpected Gold Cup in 2000, let us not forget Holger Osieck. I think Holger as G.M. would work well with our new head coach.

Let's bring in Holger, he can make it happen again and a Canadian Team can pull of a few upsets!!!
he worked wonders for the Urawa Reds in Japan.

oh yeah sorry....Mo must go.

CretanBull
03-21-2010, 09:34 PM
What does that mean?

(Sorry, confuzzled I is.)

I was just refering to the fact that since I moved to Toroto (I'm originally from Montreal - I'm picking this time frame because its when I started following teams other than the Canadiens) your Calgary Flames have been more successfull than the Leafs, and yet the Leafs are still (by far) the most valuable franchise, sell the most merchandice, highest ticket prices - sold out games etc.