Today's News,Friday,Mar.12

[denime]

Mornin'


Reds Return To Charleston (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8753066&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)


Players Back In Familiar Territory (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8755660&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)


MLS players vote to authorize league strike (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/03/11/mls_players_vote_strike/)


MLS players authorize strike (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/03/11/sp-soccer-mls.html)


Toronto Acquires (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Fourth Round (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Draft Pick For Robinson (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280) :facepalm:



SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

[DichioTFC]

Toronto Acquires (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Fourth Round (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Draft Pick For Robinson (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280) :facepalm:



My thoughts exactly
:facepalm:

[Parkdale]

the toronto fc facebook page said they traded robbo for a draft pick, but neglected to mention it was in the 4th round. Sigh.

[Oldtimer]

Mornin'

Toronto Acquires (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Fourth Round (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)Draft Pick For Robinson (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100311&content_id=8760708&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280) :facepalm:




:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :picard:

[canadian_bhoy]

4th Round Pick???

Awesome! this is the opportunity for one of us to get signed by TFC!

[Shway]

joke joke joke joke joke

They dont care about players,
They dont care about fans
Toronto Football club is in the wrong hands
MO FIRE!

[denime]

Well, not just 4th Round pick,we gave them $175K to partially cover Robinson salary too.

Great job MO! :hurray::hurray:

[CoachGT]

I now firmly believe that MO MUST GO!

[daner90]

If this is being called a trade opposed to Robbo being released and than signed by Red Bulls, does that mean we don't take any cap hit from Roboo?
Or do you still have to eat part of any guaranted contract you move?

[denime]

If this is being called a trade opposed to Robbo being released and than signed by Red Bulls, does that mean we don't take any cap hit from Roboo?
Or do you still have to eat part of any guaranted contract you move?

Rumor is we have to take a $175K salary cap hit.



SoccerByIves (http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves)

Carl Robinson will cost NYRB 125K against salary cap. Great deal for Red Bulls while TFC is biting a very big bullet on that deal.

[bgnewf]

If this is being called a trade opposed to Robbo being released and than signed by Red Bulls, does that mean we don't take any cap hit from Roboo?
Or do you still have to eat part of any guaranted contract you move?

The short answer is "...it depends...". Salary cap space and/or allocation dollars can always be part of a trade. And of course picking up part of the salary of the player leaving can also be part of the deal. In this case we obviously are eating a big chunk of Robbo's contract.

I know it's early, but I need a few of these: :drinking::drinking::drinking:

[Oldtimer]

Well, not just 4th Round pick,we gave them $175K to partially cover Robinson salary too.

Great job MO! :hurray::hurray:

It's great to see our team's "on the pitch" performance is in such good hands. :facepalm:

[Redpunkfiddle]

I don't think you could expect a better deal given the contract that was being unloaded. It was a salary dump of a high priced guaranteed contract. That contract was signed last year before DeGuzman came. In this league, you are pooched when trying to move this kind of weight from your roster.

I am far from sayng there is no blame for putting the team in a bad situation, but thinking Mo got fleeced because it's a fourth round pick and we carry some of the salary isn't the reality in this league.

Edit: Ok- we are paying most of his salary. That's rough.

[keem-o-sabi]

Coed Girls 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/2009/11/09/coeds-latest-wag-discovery-jamie-lee-darley-is-a-victoria-secret-finalist/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/03/11/miss-coed-tiffani-lea/)

[canadian_bhoy]

You'd think that if Mo was going to dig us such a big hole in terms of contracts and cap space, we would have had a lot more to show for it over the last 2 seasons.

[Chevy]

The deal isn't so bad - assuming that we can sign somebody decent in Robinson's roster spot, hopefully a CB.

When you look at the dollars sent to NY plus the salary of the new defender (assuming here at $250k) we are paying $425 against the cap THIS YEAR for a decent CB. Robbo's contract is up after this year so that $175k hit is gone in 2011.

-----------

$175k to NYRB + approx $250K for a "decent CB" = $425k Cap Hit + the 4th rounder

For

Robinson

[Jitter]

So...
The Charleston article talks about a video stream for the Carolina Challenge Cup, but are we to expect commentary as well?

I hope so :D

[boban]

joke joke joke joke joke

They dont care about players,
They dont care about fans
Toronto Football club is in the wrong hands
MO FIRE!
I see problems further up the chain of command.
This club operates no worse than other MLSE properties.
Same mold.

They dont care about players,
They dont care about fans
Toronto Football club is in the wrong hands
MLSE sell TFC!! :D

[Parkdale]

4th Round Pick???

Awesome! this is the opportunity for one of us to get signed by TFC!

:smilielol5:


Maybe turn it into a reality show? "Be Toronto's Next TOP CENTER"

[S_D]

I think this may be a record for :facepalm: on the front page of news thread.

Maybe a season long strike would be a godsend for this team.

We don't make the playoffs - mo keeps his promise and goes :D

contracts run out for Barrett and Garcia (mo must go though before this happens, we don't want him to resign them for double their current pay) :D

a useless 175k payment for our portion of Robbo's contract - gone :D

we still get a 4th rounder from NYRB :D

draft order would probably be repeated from last year :D

watching the board blow up because everyone is bored. Keeping Parkdale busy :D

no footie :(

[Shaughno]

The deal isn't so bad - assuming that we can sign somebody decent in Robinson's roster spot, hopefully a CB.

When you look at the dollars sent to NY plus the salary of the new defender (assuming here at $250k) we are paying $425 against the cap THIS YEAR for a decent CB. Robbo's contract is up after this year so that $175k hit is gone in 2011.

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$175k to NYRB + approx $250K for a "decent CB" = $425k Cap Hit + the 4th rounder

For

Robinson

That's how I've been looking at it. While it's not ideal, it's the best we could get from a shitty situation.

Now if we sign Said, I'd say we've effectively upgraded the quality even though it was a shit deal.


:smilielol5:


Maybe turn it into a reality show? "Be Toronto's Next TOP CENTER"

I'm in! :rofl:

[daner90]

The deal isn't so bad - assuming that we can sign somebody decent in Robinson's roster spot, hopefully a CB.

I guess we will have to see how much Ibrahim Said is going to cost...assuming he sticks around through all this shit.

[S_D]

That's how I've been looking at it. While it's not ideal, it's the best we could get from a shitty situation.



It is a terrible situation to be in. We would have 3 players eating up 1/2 the cap. Remember the Galaxy with their 3 DP's?


OUCH!

[Shaughno]

It is a terrible situation to be in. We would have 3 players eating up 1/2 the cap. Remember the Galaxy with their 3 DP's?


OUCH!

It sucks... but Robbo wanted out. What other options did we have? Let him go and pay the full contract? Keep him and use him every couple of games and as a sub? Waste of money both ways. At least this way we can get something in return, and more importantly, it allows us to sign more players... which we all know is much needed.

[wzhxvy]

I am glad finally that we have a chorus of voices after MO...lets hope it happens soon enough...everyday that goes by we are further away from our objectives

[Beach_Red]

I see problems further up the chain of command.
This club operates no worse than other MLSE properties.
Same mold.

They dont care about players,
They dont care about fans
Toronto Football club is in the wrong hands
MLSE sell TFC!! :D


All organizations take on the personality of their leader, so MLSE has the personality of.....

[olegunnar]

It sucks... but Robbo wanted out. .


Honest question
Has anyone other than Mo said this?

I know that it's been reported as such...but Mo the FO was the source.

I ask because I've heard differently.

[menefreghista]

Honest question
Has anyone other than Mo said this?

I know that it's been reported as such...but Mo the FO was the source.

I ask because I've heard differently.

Saying Robinson wanted out comes across as total PR bullshit spin.

[Shaughno]

Honest question
Has anyone other than Mo said this?

I know that it's been reported as such...but Mo the FO was the source.

I ask because I've heard differently.

I'm going based off what I've read, and heard from a few people. I heard last year that he wasn't happy and wanted out, but it could all be bullshit, who knows.

[olegunnar]

I'm going based off what I've read, and heard from a few people. I heard last year that he wasn't happy and wanted out, but it could all be bullshit, who knows.

Like I said...just an honest question, since I had heard differently. Not saying one is right one is wrong. I was kind of hoping for something that showed what I had heard was wrong...since that would shine this situation in a more favourable light.

It's all kind of moot now though.

[Shaughno]

Yup. I'll see if I can dig up the one article I read not too long ago...

[Roogsy]

I choose to concentrate on the good news of the day.

Maingly the 6 foot Amazonian they have as a SSG today. :hump: I loves me some tall girls baby!

[Beach_Red]

I choose to concentrate on the good news of the day.

Maingly the 6 foot Amazonian they have as a SSG today. :hump: I loves me some tall girls baby!


Wow, yeah, Amazonian, nice.

As for Robbo, between the two teams he's getting his whole salary, right? People here were talking about asking him to take a pay cut, weren't they? So for him this is better than that, isn't it?

[MUFC_Niagara]

I'm going based off what I've read, and heard from a few people. I heard last year that he wasn't happy and wanted out, but it could all be bullshit, who knows.

But why did he want out? He loved the city, loved the supporters, loved the team....what was it? The same common denominator in all the players that get screwed. Mo.

MO. OUT. NOW.

[Roogsy]

I think it was Paul B. Nobody likes Paul B. :D

[menefreghista]

As for Robbo, between the two teams he's getting his whole salary, right? People here were talking about asking him to take a pay cut, weren't they? So for him this is better than that, isn't it?

It appears now the 'paycut' Robinson took previously was another TFC PR stunt. It was so marginal that it was almost negligible.

Robinson was on a guaranteed contract for this season, so I'm not sure if they were trying to renegotiate it again. And yes, he will get all his money.

Obviously I have no proof of this, but the way I read the situation, management told Robinson he wasn't wanted anymore. They probably tried hard to work out some kind of deal where TFC wasn't stuck with his contract on their cap. Finally we get this NYRB trade. And then we get this 'Robinson wanted out' spin to help soften the blow. But it still reeks, imo.

When I pictured Robinson leaving, I always imagined he'd go back home and play in Wales (or England).

[S_D]

well either way you look at this team is in a shambles. In Mo's defense, he may have just gone out and got the players the coaches wanted, but considering his coach selection has been terrible, it all reflects back on him.

I just wish it wasn't going to take a season to get out of all these bad contracts.

[rocker]

Sounders lost to Timbers last night 1-0... what, they couldn't score against a USL team at home? ;)
Ty Marshall screwed up and gave up the Timbers goal.

[flatpicker]

I choose to concentrate on the good news of the day.

Maingly the 6 foot Amazonian they have as a SSG today. :hump: I loves me some tall girls baby!


I am in full agreement.
She is a fine SSG!

[Super]

Sounders lost to Timbers last night 1-0... what, they couldn't score against a USL team at home? ;)
Ty Marshall screwed up and gave up the Timbers goal.

USL is a lot better than CSL. In comparing I'd say that MLS is Prem, USL is the Championship, and the CSL is not League 1, but League 2. But poor result just the same.

[rocker]

USL is a lot better than CSL. In comparing I'd say that MLS is Prem, USL is the Championship, and the CSL is not League 1, but League 2. But poor result just the same.

ya... I'm just being sarcastic... cuz TFC has lost to USL teams before at home and everyone goes mental ... "OHHHH, the USL team beat us!!! We should always beat a USL team!!!"

apparently the Timbers had only played 1 game together before yesterday too..

[Mojo]

Angry frustrated words go here.

[TFCRegina]

:smilielol5:


Maybe turn it into a reality show? "Be Toronto's Next TOP CENTER"

Bet they could find better talent than TFC currently can.

[Super]

ya... I'm just being sarcastic... cuz TFC has lost to USL teams before at home and everyone goes mental ... "OHHHH, the USL team beat us!!! We should always beat a USL team!!!"

apparently the Timbers had only played 1 game together before yesterday too..

The USL is quite close to the MLS, so it's not so shocking. USL teams routinely beat MLS teams - even in competitive matches. It's just another piece of evidence that we need to seriously upgrade the quality of our league - and fast. It's hard to argue that we have the best league in the country if USL teams are beating us - in friendlies or not.

[lintberg]

I second that!!!
Get rid of Mo ASAP!!

I now firmly believe that MO MUST GO!

[GlenM]

Check it out...

http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=313501

This would really suck...big time.

As KD would say...

Quit crapping the bed, get your shite together and make it happen...

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE!

GlenM

[denime]

Already posted in today's news ,it is same article just different websites.I will merge this thread with other one.

[Phil]

Found this and its not as doom and gloom as the players state:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/03/mls_labor_talks_were_productiv.html#more



In response to comments made by players after the labor negotiations in Washington this week, MLS President Mark Abbott told the Insider on Thursday that "the meetings were productive and we have scheduled a number of additional meetings. While I can't discuss what takes place across the bargaining table, I can say that the players' comments do not accurately reflect the proposals that we have made to address the players' concerns or the productive nature of the discussions between MLS and the union."

There's more.....

Abbott also said: "We have an understanding with both the union and the mediator that we will not publicly discuss what takes place during these bargaining sessions. As such, we were disappointed to see comments from a number of players characterizing the status of the negotiations and the possibility of a strike."

Abbott declined to comment any further.

While mediation is ongoing, the league cannot lock out the players and the players cannot strike. So in order to strike, the players would have to reject the continuation of mediation. The sides are scheduled to meet again with the mediator next week in Washington

[boban]

All organizations take on the personality of their leader, so MLSE has the personality of.....
http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/lemon1.jpg

[Whoop]

Found this and its not as doom and gloom as the players state:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/03/mls_labor_talks_were_productiv.html#more

Yeah I posted something similar in the "Players vote to strike thread".

It sucks, but it appears it's not as dire as it appears. This is coming from guys like Ives and Goff who have their ear to the ground in regards to MLS news.

[johnmolinaro]

De Vos on Robo wanting out of Toronto:

"Robbo did not want to leave Toronto. It's a question of who you believe. Let me put it this way: if a player bad-mouths his former team, it always comes across as sour grapes. Sometimes when you are a player and you feel you have been treated poorly, you have to bite your tongue and keep quiet, because no matter what you say, it will never come out the way you intend it to. As much as everyone would love to get Robbo's side of the story, he is too classy an individual to start slinging mud."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldcup/news/story/2010/03/09/spf-soccer-chat.html

[Shaughno]

Of course he didn't want to leave Toronto, he wanted to get away from a certain person...

[andyc]

You'd think that if Mo was going to dig us such a big hole in terms of contracts and cap space, we would have had a lot more to show for it over the last 2 seasons.

The good times are over??? :D

[rocker]

The USL is quite close to the MLS, so it's not so shocking. USL teams routinely beat MLS teams - even in competitive matches. It's just another piece of evidence that we need to seriously upgrade the quality of our league - and fast. It's hard to argue that we have the best league in the country if USL teams are beating us - in friendlies or not.

you need to post that opinion the next time TFC loses to a USL team. Cuz I don't remember this kind of intelligent comment on the board when that's happened in the past. When TFC loses to a USL team it's a "disgrace" according to some.

[canadian_bhoy]

De Vos on Robo wanting out of Toronto:

"Robbo did not want to leave Toronto. It's a question of who you believe. Let me put it this way: if a player bad-mouths his former team, it always comes across as sour grapes. Sometimes when you are a player and you feel you have been treated poorly, you have to bite your tongue and keep quiet, because no matter what you say, it will never come out the way you intend it to. As much as everyone would love to get Robbo's side of the story, he is too classy an individual to start slinging mud."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldcup/news/story/2010/03/09/spf-soccer-chat.html

Everyone knows that the locker room was divided at the end of the season (even the players admitted it).

Funny that the people who tended to be on Dichio's side during the mess of last season also tend to be the ones that are no longer with the club.

If I were Robbo, I'd want out if I was told I wasn't wanted around anymore.


Of course he didn't want to leave Toronto, he wanted to get away from a certain person...

I think it's more a case of a certain person wanting him out of the way.

[rocker]

Everyone knows that the locker room was divided at the end of the season (even the players admitted it).

Funny that the people who tended to be on Dichio's side during the mess of last season also tend to be the ones that are no longer with the club.

If I were Robbo, I'd want out if I was told I wasn't wanted around anymore.


Pablo Vitti was on Dichio and Robbo's side?!?!?!?
Not sure that's a bad thing in the end ;)

The fact is that most of the guys gone were making either too much money and not performing enough or they were getting up there in age.

[Super]

you need to post that opinion the next time TFC loses to a USL team. Cuz I don't remember this kind of intelligent comment on the board when that's happened in the past. When TFC loses to a USL team it's a "disgrace" according to some.

It's definitely not a disgrace. However, having said that, I'll still be pissed off if we don't beat Charleston. Why? Because I will always want the best from my team. Always! Never second best. Never poor excuses (0-0 against a CSL team? I mean, wtf?). The best - period! And besides, an MLS team SHOULD be able to beat a USL team. We have ALL the advantages. And if we can't beat them then it's quite frankly because the players didn't play up to standard, and the coach failed tactically. No excuses - just go out there and win the game. We have a 2.5 million dollar salary, a DP who played in La Liga, and world class facilities. What do Charleston have? Fuck no - I won't accept anything other than a win. Bring the "winning mentality" like De Guzman said. Prove to everyone that there's a difference between USL and MLS.

But no, definitely not a disgrace to lose to a USL team. Very disappointing, yes. But not a disgrace. 0-0 against a CSL team, however, is a disgrace.

[rocker]

It's definitely not a disgrace. However, having said that, I'll still be pissed off if we don't beat Charleston. Why? Because I will always want the best from my team. Always! Never second best. Never poor excuses (0-0 against a CSL team? I mean, wtf?). The best - period! And besides, an MLS team SHOULD be able to beat a USL team. We have ALL the advantages. And if we can't beat them then it's quite frankly because the players didn't play up to standard, and the coach failed tactically. No excuses - just go out there and win the game. We have a 2.5 million dollar salary, a DP who played in La Liga, and world class facilities. What do Charleston have? Fuck no - I won't accept anything other than a win. Bring the "winning mentality" like De Guzman said. Prove to everyone that there's a difference between USL and MLS.

But no, definitely not a disgrace to lose to a USL team. Very disappointing, yes. But not a disgrace. 0-0 against a CSL team, however, is a disgrace.

yes, I never want to see TFC lose to anybody, but I do recognize that teams don't go a season without losing and the great thing about sport is that sometimes the little guys fight hard and lay a beating down on the big boys. It sucks if yer a fan of the big boys, but if sport becomes so predictable that the perceived favourites always win, then it would become boring.

[Super]

yes, I never want to see TFC lose to anybody, but I do recognize that teams don't go a season without losing and the great thing about sport is that sometimes the little guys fight hard and lay a beating down on the big boys. It sucks if yer a fan of the big boys, but if sport becomes so predictable that the perceived favourites always win, then it would become boring.

I absolutely agree. It makes for great surprises - something that is lacking in the MLS due to the parity. USL teams will play at the very best of their ability when they face an MLS team, and at times that's enough to topple the arrogance of the often under-performing MLS teams.

Speaking of salary cap. I found this article that makes a guess (educated, I hope) on the salary of the Portland Timbers:
http://timbers.theoffside.com/player-news/portland-timbers-salaries-a-guestimate.html

They estimate the total salary of the Portland Timbers team to be around half a million bucks per year. So De Guzman is making double the total salary of the entire Portland team. I would gather the salary is the same at Charleston Battery. So, let's not forgot tomorrow, that we're facing a team with around (or less) than 1/5th in salary of our team. Add to that our FAR superior staff and facilities. And finally, add to that the far greater number of media/fans expecting a result from TFC. You'd think this difference would be obvious on the field - and in the result as well.

[Rudi]

Charleston is a USL-2 team this year. They "self-relegated" during the whole NASL vs. USL kerfuffle, and as such shouldn't come close to Portland (or other USSF Div. 2 teams) in terms of wages.

[Beach_Red]

I absolutely agree. It makes for great surprises - something that is lacking in the MLS due to the parity.


Not really. RSL winning the Cup last year was a huge surprise. The year before, NYRB being in the Cup final was a huge surprise.

If anything every team having the same amount to spend on players makes for more surprises becase it's nearly impossible for one or two teams to dominate.

Now, if you were to say the problems is that MLS results are too random, I'd agree.

[Heart of Stone]

Mo knows for sure that the league is shutting down this season.