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denime
03-11-2010, 06:31 AM
Mornin'


Reds Train At Lamport Stadium (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100310&content_id=8740942&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)


MLS labour talks conclude (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/mls-labour-talks-conclude/article1496714/)


Reds prepared to walk (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/03/10/mls_player_negotiations/)


No hard feelings on Robinson: Toronto FC (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/03/10/sp-robinson-johnston.html)


MLS players ready for strike: Nick Garcia (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/03/10/sp-nick-garcia.html)


Expansion bid by foreign club could spur changes in MLS contracts (http://soccerlens.com/expansion-bid-by-foreign-club-could-spur-changes-in-mls-contracts/41697/)




SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

Eastend
03-11-2010, 08:00 AM
Nick Garcia can strike, I won't oppose him not playing this season.

TFC_Junky
03-11-2010, 08:14 AM
In John's article about Robinson, it's funny that he mentions all this stuff that Mo is saying but the only quotes in the article are from Anselmi and Garcia... Makes you wonder what Mo actually said about Robo.

Nuvinho
03-11-2010, 08:17 AM
Nick Garcia can strike, I won't oppose him not playing this season.

hahaha!!! That was my thinking. I bet the union told Garcia that they were going to strike, but told every other player to keep playing on.

daner90
03-11-2010, 08:19 AM
Beginning the season under the terms of the expired CBA, as per Garber's suggestion, is not an option, according to Garcia.
"We're not prepared do that," the Toronto defender stated. "That's one thing we are not going to [do]. We are prepared and willing to not start the season with the current CBA."

Well this sounds promising...14 days to ratify a new deal, sides aren't even close and won't play without a deal. Fuck. I guess we better enjoy the footy we see in Charleston

TFC_Junky
03-11-2010, 08:23 AM
^^ yeah, I'm now pondering heading down to catch the tourney.

I'm glad to see that Mo got a great deal from NYRB for Robo, a fourth round pick... REALLY?! We paid him 300k and in exchange we got a pick that will (probably) never amount to anything? Awesome!

Oldtimer
03-11-2010, 08:39 AM
^^ yeah, I'm now pondering heading down to catch the tourney.

I'm glad to see that Mo got a great deal from NYRB for Robo, a fourth round pick... REALLY?! We paid him 300k and in exchange we got a pick that will (probably) never amount to anything? Awesome!

At least he got something for Robbo. Most teams didn't want him.

Remember, he renewed Robbo's contract after De Guzman said he wasn't coming. Then after De Guzman's about-face, he was left with 2 holding midfielders. His only other option was to not to sign De Guzman (who has a lot more potential, especially as this is probably Robbo's last season).

Oldtimer
03-11-2010, 08:57 AM
DC United beat Santos Laguna 3-2 in a friendly:


In an encouraging performance two weeks before the MLS season is scheduled to start, D.C. United defeated Santos Laguna, 3-2, in a friendly before a capacity crowd in Torreon, Mexico. Chris Pontius (a header off a corner kick by Christian Castillo) and Jaime Moreno (assisted by Brandon Barklage) scored in the first half. After Santos responded with a pair of goals, Boyzzz Khumalo provided the game-winner by putting away a cross in the 70th minute.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/03/dc_united_mls_news_notes.html

Oldtimer
03-11-2010, 08:58 AM
CEO plans to spur Whitecaps up sports hierarchy



Former Tottenham executive Paul Barber says there's plenty of room for soccer to grow in a hockey-mad city such as Vancouver


Paul Barber already senses there's room in Vancouver sports fans' hearts for top-flight North American soccer.
The former Tottenham Hotspur executive director and new Vancouver Whitecaps chief executive has arrived with a mission to ensure the Major League Soccer-bound 'Caps move up a notch in the city's sports team hierarchy -sharing the spotlight with the Vancouver Canucks and B.C. Lions.




http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/plans+spur+Whitecaps+sports+hierarchy/2670139/story.html

Good to see Vancouver doing things right.

ManUtd4ever
03-11-2010, 09:05 AM
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/plans+spur+Whitecaps+sports+hierarchy/2670139/story.html

Good to see Vancouver doing things right.

I'm envious...

drewski
03-11-2010, 09:09 AM
MLS labour talks conclude (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/mls-labour-talks-conclude/article1496714/)


Reds prepared to walk (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2010/03/10/mls_player_negotiations/)

MLS players ready for strike: Nick Garcia (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/03/10/sp-nick-garcia.html)






2 weeks to go. Hopefully the pressure gets to both sides and makes them work out a deal

flatpicker
03-11-2010, 09:11 AM
So, do we start working on Toronto Lynx chants?

[NBF]
03-11-2010, 09:12 AM
SSG: Nice:)

Manchester City in MLS:

That's like saying Starbucks wants to buy a small coffee shop in Regina, because they're having financial problems. I don't think anyone that comes from the MLS will ever have an impact on a future Manchester City roster.

Columbus Vs. Toluca:

I think I'm starting to hate this guy more and more, kudos to him for scoring 2 goals for Columbus, but fuck I hate him:

Steven "The Blond Jew Fro" Lenhart
http://web.mlsnet.com/images/2009/08/19/oHbEkzvZ.jpg


Did you see his celebration dance? It's sooooo, what you'd think Will Farrell would do for a goal celebration, its deserving of a facepalm:facepalm: It's like dancing on an Indian burial ground because it's raining bad:deadhorse:

Beach_Red
03-11-2010, 09:17 AM
;925448']SSG: Nice:)

Manchester City in MLS:

That's like saying Starbucks wants to buy a small coffee shop in Regina, because they're having finalcial problems. I don't think anyone that comes from the MLS will ever have an impact on a future Manchester City roster.




Never say never. It's more like Starbucks opening in China - what they want is that huge market. For all its problems, America is still a huge market.

And anythng that gets American soccer closer to the rest of the world is good.

And someday the US will produce top-level soccer players. Why not, they do in every other sport they take serisouly.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-11-2010, 09:25 AM
;925448']
Manchester City in MLS:

That's like saying Starbucks wants to buy a small coffee shop in Regina, because they're having financial problems. I don't think anyone that comes from the MLS will ever have an impact on a future Manchester City roster.

so youre saying that out of 300 million people, not one will have the skill to help out city? the US has been making leaps and bounds in the sport and will continue to do so, i really dont believe your statement will hold true. Christ theres rumors about Chelsea being interested in Lady Donovan, hes already made a massive impact at Everton...

Shaughno
03-11-2010, 09:31 AM
There's plenty of US players that make the cut worldwide in some pretty high profile clubs... what makes you think MASSIVE Citeh wouldn't jump at the right opportunity?

Landon Donavon
Stewart Holden
Brian McBride
Tim Howard
Clint Dempsey
Brad Freidel
DeMarcus Beasley
Mo Edu

Those are fairly high profile players and it seems that's just the first real generation of US players to make the jump as more and more are plying their trade in Europe.

billyfly
03-11-2010, 09:36 AM
I still laugh at the thought of Liverpool or Man United buying into TFC and then watching the breakaway of hundreds of supporters from our ranks. The uneasy peace would definitely be broken....

Ossington Mental Youth
03-11-2010, 09:38 AM
i gotta say itd sit pretty uneasy with me if we had some sort of official ownership by a team (ie become a farm team for anyone, well except for werder bremen)

Redcoe15
03-11-2010, 10:06 AM
SSG looks nice and nasty. :yum:


;925448']Steven "The Blond Jew Fro" Lenhart
http://web.mlsnet.com/images/2009/08/19/oHbEkzvZ.jpg


Did you see his celebration dance? It's sooooo, what you'd think Will Farrell would do for a goal celebration, its deserving of a facepalm:facepalm: It's like dancing on an Indian burial ground because it's raining bad:deadhorse:
A better pic of Lenhart, IMO:

http://blog.guidetocinema.com/images/big-bird-in-truck.jpg

maninb
03-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Can someone tell Garcia that there's union negotiations going on in Outer Mongolia....and send him there on a one-way ticket?

drewski
03-11-2010, 10:19 AM
i gotta say itd sit pretty uneasy with me if we had some sort of official ownership by a team (ie become a farm team for anyone, well except for werder bremen)

I know i'd have a hard time cheering against the farm team of Man United

Oldtimer
03-11-2010, 10:23 AM
So, do we start working on Toronto Lynx chants?

U-Sector have a whole collection. They'll just need to dust them off and teach them to us.

Most notable: "We all cheer for the flourescent yellow team" (to the tune of "Yellow Submarine").

[NBF]
03-11-2010, 10:47 AM
There's plenty of US players that make the cut worldwide in some pretty high profile clubs... what makes you think MASSIVE Citeh wouldn't jump at the right opportunity?

Landon Donavon
Stewart Holden
Brian McBride
Tim Howard
Clint Dempsey
Brad Freidel
DeMarcus Beasley
Mo Edu

Those are fairly high profile players and it seems that's just the first real generation of US players to make the jump as more and more are plying their trade in Europe.

You're the same guy that says give Barrett a chance, Preki will make us great, and this year we're going to win 20. I like your optimism:deadhorse:

What I meant is that no U.S. player is ever going to play for Manchester City because the management at the club want stablished players in top 5 of every position.

No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player. Im saying there will always be a dozen good players from the U.S. but there will never be a U.S. player with the skills of a Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Raul Gonzalez, Yaya Toure, Carles Puyols, Tevez, etc.

Sonny Cheeba
03-11-2010, 10:52 AM
wow that SSG lacks enthusiasm.

she's cute but seems like if she won a car, she'd respond "oh..... it's red" in a monotone voice. not a whiney brat voice.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-11-2010, 10:59 AM
;925579']You're the same guy that says give Barrett a chance, Preki will make us great, and this year we're going to win 20. I like your optimism:deadhorse:

What I meant is that no U.S. player is ever going to play for Manchester City because the management at the club want stablished players in top 5 of every position.

No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player. Im saying there will always be a dozen good players from the U.S. but there will never be a U.S. player with the skills of a Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Raul Gonzalez, Yaya Toure, Carles Puyols, Tevez, etc.

youre unbelievably short sighted.
If youre looking at current players, sure, youre right, if youre looking into the future, please grab me the lotto numbers while youre at it.

jabbronies
03-11-2010, 11:00 AM
RPB Vandals

http://img708.yfrog.com/i/x7e.jpg/

Oldtimer
03-11-2010, 11:01 AM
;925579']

No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player.

That's a ridiculous claim. You can say no player currently is at that level, but you can't say, based nationality or race, that a certain country will never yield a top-quality player.

Roogsy
03-11-2010, 11:02 AM
wow that SSG lacks enthusiasm.

she's cute but seems like if she won a car, she'd respond "oh..... it's red" in a monotone voice. not a whiney brat voice.

LOL! Agreed...

Roogsy
03-11-2010, 11:02 AM
RPB Vandals

http://img708.yfrog.com/i/x7e.jpg/

Damn hooligans...

Shaughno
03-11-2010, 11:10 AM
;925579']You're the same guy that says give Barrett a chance, Preki will make us great, and this year we're going to win 20. I like your optimism:deadhorse:

What I meant is that no U.S. player is ever going to play for Manchester City because the management at the club want stablished players in top 5 of every position.

No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player. Im saying there will always be a dozen good players from the U.S. but there will never be a U.S. player with the skills of a Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Raul Gonzalez, Yaya Toure, Carles Puyols, Tevez, etc.


Yes I've said give Barrett a chance. Doesn't mean I don't curse his name when he misses.

Yes I think Preki has the ability to turn this club around if the FO let him do his job.

I don't know what you're talking about on the third part, since I don't think I've mentioned a single word about the upcoming season's possible results, but nice try.

I have to say, like the others have mentioned, you're pretty ignorant and short sighted if that's how you're looking at things.

I would have never guessed Manchester United would have a Serbian as one of their best defenders, or an Ecuadorian tearing it up on the wing providing the best service since David Beckham left.

But to completely rule out an entire nation, a very tough and up and coming nation at that, simply because they aren't Spain, Brazil, Argentina, etc. That's just fucking stupid.

Beach_Red
03-11-2010, 11:11 AM
;925579']

No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player. Im saying there will always be a dozen good players from the U.S. but there will never be a U.S. player with the skills of a Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Raul Gonzalez, Yaya Toure, Carles Puyols, Tevez, etc.



It will require soccer to get entrenched deeper in the culture of the US, past the suburbs, for sure. But why can't that happen?

Right now soccer in the US seems a little bit like basketball in the early fifties, a recreation sport but not many athletes first choice. It was baseball then football. But that changed. If American kids start picking soccer, well, look at the NFL and the NBA - if some of those guys had decided to play soccer as seriously as they do basketball and football why couldn't they be as good as anyone else in the world?

drewski
03-11-2010, 11:33 AM
It will require soccer to get entrenched deeper in the culture of the US, past the suburbs, for sure. But why can't that happen?

Right now soccer in the US seems a little bit like basketball in the early fifties, a recreation sport but not many athletes first choice. It was baseball then football. But that changed. If American kids start picking soccer, well, look at the NFL and the NBA - if some of those guys had decided to play soccer as seriously as they do basketball and football why couldn't they be as good as anyone else in the world?

agreed.

another good example is women's hockey. There's still a huge gap to the top for many countries, but they are getting closer. it won't happen tomorrow, but with the right training and support system, it will happen.

hell, in a country based on immigration, its inevitable that kids with the right genes will immigrate to the US. Combine that with that good system and its more than likely that one day there will be a few Americans who are considered the greatest

keem-o-sabi
03-11-2010, 11:49 AM
A major reason why it didn't take off in the States was it was viewed as an immigrants sport, so immigrants wanting to assimilate into American Culture adopted American Sports, Football, Baseball, Basketball. Now it's not viewed as an immigrant sport and is more accepted.

We've got a really good player at West Ham's academy right now as well, who is a massive prospect for us (yes I'm a yank so I say us). At the moment we are par with countries like Sweden. Not overly spectacular, but are solid now. 20 Years ago we were like Canada is now, terrible federation, terrible national team, terrible coaching (well our national team isn't that much better in that regard at least).

We've switched a lot of things around. We have a very solid 12 players for our national team now, but our depth isn't the greatest. Do I think we'll win the World Cup? Not in my lifetime, but to say we'll never have players that develop into world class players is pretty silly. Anything can happen though.

keem-o-sabi
03-11-2010, 11:51 AM
coed girls 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/03/10/miss-coed-lauren-lacey/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/03/10/maria-menounos-flaunts-dangerously-sexy-curves/)

Brooker
03-11-2010, 11:59 AM
;925579']No U.S. player will ever be better or equal to a top Brazillian or Agentinian or Spanish player. Im saying there will always be a dozen good players from the U.S. but there will never be a U.S. player with the skills of a Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Raul Gonzalez, Yaya Toure, Carles Puyols, Tevez, etc.

never say never.

Whoop
03-11-2010, 12:00 PM
A major reason why it didn't take off in the States was it was viewed as an immigrants sport, so immigrants wanting to assimilate into American Culture adopted American Sports, Football, Baseball, Basketball. Now it's not viewed as an immigrant sport and is more accepted.

We've got a really good player at West Ham's academy right now as well, who is a massive prospect for us (yes I'm a yank so I say us). At the moment we are par with countries like Sweden. Not overly spectacular, but are solid now. 20 Years ago we were like Canada is now, terrible federation, terrible national team, terrible coaching (well our national team isn't that much better in that regard at least).

We've switched a lot of things around. We have a very solid 12 players for our national team now, but our depth isn't the greatest. Do I think we'll win the World Cup? Not in my lifetime, but to say we'll never have players that develop into world class players is pretty silly. Anything can happen though.

Agreed.

And put me down for saying that the US will win the World Cup before an African or Asia country does.

Phil
03-11-2010, 12:46 PM
Official

Sutton to NYRB

http://redbull.newyork.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100309&content_id=8732062&vkey=news_rbn&fext=.jsp&team=t107

Parkdale
03-11-2010, 12:48 PM
AHAHHHHHHHH FAWK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NYRB is going to be a collection of my favorite ex-TFC guys (sutton, robinson, boyens) and you can just BET they finish with a better record than us this year.

and they gave us Mo, so the joke's really on us!

bgnewf
03-11-2010, 12:52 PM
Good luck Greg. Well done on making the side.

Brooker
03-11-2010, 12:56 PM
god seeing him with the NYRB crest makes me sick to my stomach. i hope to fuck i don't see robbo with it or i'll really lose my lunch.

Roogsy
03-11-2010, 12:56 PM
Official

Sutton to NYRB

http://redbull.newyork.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20100309&content_id=8732062&vkey=news_rbn&fext=.jsp&team=t107


And he's a dual-citizen so he doesn't count against an international slot.

All the best to Greg. In my opinion, TFC should never have released him.

drewski
03-11-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm happy he found another club but it sucks its the Red Bulls. On the brightside, he didn't sign with the Columbus Spew

Beach_Red
03-11-2010, 01:07 PM
And he's a dual-citizen so he doesn't count against an international slot.

All the best to Greg. In my opinion, TFC should never have released him.


Yes, I agree, he never should have been released. Good luck to him for sure.

Rudi
03-11-2010, 01:11 PM
U-Sector have a whole collection. They'll just need to dust them off and teach them to us.

Most notable: "We all cheer for the flourescent yellow team" (to the tune of "Yellow Submarine").
I believe everyone at BMO is already familiar with two of them.

The "Allez-Allez-Allez-Oh! (We Love you, Toronto)" and "T-O-R, O-N-T, OOOOOOOOO (Lynx)FC!" were staples at Lynx games. ;)

Boondaddy
03-11-2010, 01:33 PM
GOOD LUCK SUTTS!! Hope he kicks ass....but not against us.

Phil
03-11-2010, 02:50 PM
This is still speculation but it looks like BMO wants to sponsor the whitecaps too:

http://wvhooligan.com/2010/03/11/bmo-looking-to-sponsor-whitecaps/

maninb
03-11-2010, 02:53 PM
And he's a dual-citizen so he doesn't count against an international slot.

All the best to Greg. In my opinion, TFC should never have released him.


Frei is a much better keeper than Sutton ever was...so are you saying you'd pay Sutton's huge money just for a back-up???? What a waste of money considering Edwards is just as good, and a lot less cash...Sutton was a good 'save' keeper, but terrible at commanding his area (especially for someone so tall), and his distribution was laughable....

menefreghista
03-11-2010, 03:01 PM
This is still speculation but it looks like BMO wants to sponsor the whitecaps too:

http://wvhooligan.com/2010/03/11/bmo-looking-to-sponsor-whitecaps/

LOL. It can be like Rangers v Celtic

Nuvinho
03-11-2010, 03:56 PM
SoccerByIves (http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves)

Carl Robinson will cost NYRB 125K against salary cap. Great deal for Red Bulls while TFC is biting a very big bullet on that deal.

TFCUNITED
03-11-2010, 04:38 PM
Nick Garcia can strike, I won't oppose him not playing this season.

I wouldn't either. I would support him is he decided to strike even if there was a new CBA to show his disgust for how long it took.

Shaughno
03-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Frei is a much better keeper than Sutton ever was...so are you saying you'd pay Sutton's huge money just for a back-up???? What a waste of money considering Edwards is just as good, and a lot less cash...Sutton was a good 'save' keeper, but terrible at commanding his area (especially for someone so tall), and his distribution was laughable....

Totally agreed. Great guy, average keeper and we could never keep possession because his distribution was so bad.


SoccerByIves (http://twitter.com/SoccerByIves)

Carl Robinson will cost NYRB 125K against salary cap. Great deal for Red Bulls while TFC is biting a very big bullet on that deal.


Ouch... but I'd like to see the actual details of the cap hits. I know the MLS has fucked up rules and shit, but I want to know if this frees up Robbo's full salary from us and we're paying allocations. Which would make sense both financially and logically.

Or if this is some stupid rule where he plays for a different team and somehow it's a cap hit against us, which makes no sense to me AT ALL.

menefreghista
03-11-2010, 05:28 PM
Ouch... but I'd like to see the actual details of the cap hits. I know the MLS has fucked up rules and shit, but I want to know if this frees up Robbo's full salary from us and we're paying allocations.


Either way, its still $200k we could have spent on a player(s) but now won't be able to.

rocker
03-11-2010, 05:32 PM
Greg Sutton got pretty sweet money ($132K in 2007, $150K in 2008) from TFC considering he was basically a USL keeper when signed. Mo Johnston rewarded him well in his time here. I wonder what he'll make with NYRB.