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jabbronies
03-09-2010, 04:21 PM
Just trying to get an accurate look at what we have right now.
Please correct me if I've missed anyone. I'll try and keep the initial post as accurate as possible leading up to the first game of the season.

GK:
Milo Kočić (on trial)
Brian Edwards
Stefan Frei

Defence:
Alessandro Zamperini (on trial)
Adrian Cann (on trail)
Emmanuel Gomez (Injured)
Nana Attakora
Nick Garcia
Ty Harden
Zac Herold
Marvell Wynne
Jim Brennan

Forwards:
Chad Barrett (Injured)
Ali Gerba (Sent Home)
Fuad Ibrahim
Jacob Peterson
O'Brian White

Midfielders:
Martin Saric (on Trail)
Nane Joseph
Sam Cronin
Julian de Guzman
Dwayne De Rosario
Gabe Gala
Amadou Sanyang

TFC07
03-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Gala is a defender? I thought he played Left mid (winger)?!

On a side note, our defenders are really young!

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 04:35 PM
yep gala is a mid but can play defender, might wanna change that

Shaughno
03-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Yeah Gala is LM by trade, but can play D if need be.

mastermixer
03-09-2010, 04:45 PM
I guess Brennan in the mid might be a good idea even though he was on defence last year. But if not we need some midfield help fast!

Also what's going on with Fuad? Do you think we are we gonna see anything from this guy this year? What about the rookies?

Man, so many questions unanswered...

ManUtd4ever
03-09-2010, 04:55 PM
Just trying to get an accurate look at what we have right now.
Please correct me if I've missed anyone. I'll try and keep the initial post as accurate as possible leading up to the first game of the season.

GK:
Brian Edwards
Stefan Frei
Milo Kočić (on trial)

Defence:
Nana Attakora
Nick Garcia
Emmanuel Gomez
Ty Harden
Zac Herold
Amadou Sanyang
Marvell Wynne
Gabe Gala

Forwards:
Chad Barrett (Injured)
Ali Gerba
Fuad Ibrahim
Jacob Peterson
O'Brian White

Midfielders:
Jim Brennan
Sam Cronin
Julian de Guzman
Dwayne De Rosario


We have a lot of players on the team here.

- Even though we have 8 defencmen, we are still short a proper CB
- We have 5 Strikers but still need one who can finish
- Our mid - which was crowded last year, now seems thin.

Alright, here is my objective opinion as to which of our current roster players can be considered legitimate MLS starters at their natural position based on their respective track records:

GK:
Stefan Frei

Defence:
Nana Attakora
Emmanuel Gomez
Ty Harden
Marvell Wynne

Midfielders:
Sam Cronin
Julian de Guzman
Dwayne De Rosario

Forwards:
Jacob Peterson
O'Brian White

Potential starters include Brennan, Barrett, Gerba, and Sanyang but they will have to elevate their level of play to justify a starting role. Everyone else is a bench warmer. Obviously, there is still work to be done...

Darlofletch
03-09-2010, 05:02 PM
Sanyang's a midfielder isn't he?

fuck, this is a depressing thread.

well done Mo.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 05:03 PM
I guess Brennan in the mid might be a good idea even though he was on defence last year. But if not we need some midfield help fast!

Also what's going on with Fuad? Do you think we are we gonna see anything from this guy this year? What about the rookies?

Man, so many questions unanswered...

yes, he didnt play that much last year because it was part of the trade if he played over a certain amount of games we'd have to give dallas more draft picks or something stupid to hinder his progress as a player. Im sure we will see more of him this year possibly both as a winger and a striker

daner90
03-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Gomez is also injured right now, he won't be ready to start training again for another week or so....

and yea Sanyang is a midfielder

[NBF]
03-09-2010, 05:40 PM
I think this is pretty accurate:


----------------------------------Frei---------------------------------
--------------------------------Edwards-------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wynne------------Attakora-----------------Gomez--------------Brennan
Herold-------------Garcia------------------Hayden-----------------Gala
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Peterson-----------Cronin-----------------DeGuzman----------DeRosario
Ibrahim------------Joseph-----------------Sanyang--------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------Barrett------------------Gerba----------------------
--------------------------------------------White---------------------
:scarf:

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 05:44 PM
cant say i agree with DeRo on the wing or Gala definitely at the back
still debating about Ibbie on the wing (think he might play both wing and striker depending)

jabbronies
03-09-2010, 05:52 PM
updated

Don Julio
03-09-2010, 05:55 PM
;923534']I think this is pretty accurate:


----------------------------------Frei---------------------------------
--------------------------------Edwards-------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wynne------------Attakora-----------------Gomez--------------Brennan
Herold-------------Garcia------------------Hayden-----------------Gala
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Peterson-----------Cronin-----------------DeGuzman----------DeRosario
Ibrahim------------Joseph-----------------Sanyang--------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------Barrett------------------Gerba----------------------
--------------------------------------------White---------------------
:scarf:

And if we could play them all at the same time like that we might have a chance.

trane
03-09-2010, 05:55 PM
What are we playing a simple 4-4-2? I have not seen any games.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 06:03 PM
What are we playing a simple 4-4-2? I have not seen any games.
yep and thats what Preki played at Chivas too

jabbronies
03-09-2010, 06:08 PM
What are we playing a simple 4-4-2? I have not seen any games.

no idea. but I've read that JDG is probably going to (should) be used higher up the middle. Making him more attacking right? and they would want two guys in front of him. But Preki is also a defensive minded coach.

So it may be 4-3-1-2

This lets Cronin hang back in front of the D and gives JDG options with two wingers running up the sides or two guys up front.

jabbronies
03-09-2010, 06:09 PM
yep and thats what Preki played at Chivas too

cool.

trane
03-09-2010, 06:22 PM
no idea. but I've read that JDG is probably going to (should) be used higher up the middle. Making him more attacking right? and they would want two guys in front of him. But Preki is also a defensive minded coach.

So it may be 4-3-1-2

This lets Cronin hang back in front of the D and gives JDG options with two wingers running up the sides or two guys up front.

If 4-3-1-2, which would be a good formation for us, I would see something like

Wynne-------Attakora-----Gomez---------?

------Cronin-------JDG---------Sanyang---

------------------De Ro------------------

---------Gerba------------OBW--------------


JDG being the playmaker De Ro the 10/AM

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 06:35 PM
I seem to remember reading he likes 4-4-2 with the two center mids playing box to box.
also i think its been suggested that DeRo would play as a striker just behind the other striker so 4-4-1-1

jloome
03-09-2010, 06:58 PM
He played 442 and 5-3-2 during preseason. The game in which we were crushed by New York started as a 532.

Gahd, we're thin. If peterson comes around, DeGuzman's clicking, DeRo has a monster year, the best of that lineup MIGHT make the playoffs but I wouldn't bet on it.

trane
03-09-2010, 08:16 PM
^ From the number of defenders I was king of thinking he may be going 5-3-2.


De Ro stacked behing one striker is something I like, should work defensively and still offers option in attack.

jloome
03-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Our strength is up the middle, if you can call it that at the back. Maybe Gomez'll blow our minds this year by maturing at the same rate Nana did. He certainly has some mad skills for a big guy.

With the squad we have right now I think we should play a 4-4-1-1, where the wings pinch up occasionally:

-------------------Frei---------------------
Wynne----Attakora-----Gomez-------Brennan
----------DeGuzman-----Cronin----------
--Peterson------DeRosario----------Gala/Ibrahim
-----------------White-----------------------

Not awe inspiring, but not awful.

AL-MO
03-09-2010, 11:29 PM
Sanyang's a midfielder isn't he?

fuck, this is a depressing thread.

well done Mo.

My thoughts exactly.

Nuvinho
03-09-2010, 11:36 PM
SoccerInsider (http://twitter.com/SoccerInsider)

Chicago Fire negotiations with Collins John have broken down and 24-yr-old forward is planning to return to Europe, Insider has learned #mls (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23mls)

I would love to have him in TO, better than having Dickov.

CretanBull
03-09-2010, 11:36 PM
Peterson is a midfielder - he's a winger

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 11:38 PM
SoccerInsider (http://twitter.com/SoccerInsider)

Chicago Fire negotiations with Collins John have broken down and 24-yr-old forward is planning to return to Europe, Insider has learned #mls (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23mls)

I would love to have him in TO, better than having Dickov.

yeah, saw that. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fucking better than dickov

CretanBull
03-09-2010, 11:40 PM
SoccerInsider (http://twitter.com/SoccerInsider)

Chicago Fire negotiations with Collins John have broken down and 24-yr-old forward is planning to return to Europe, Insider has learned #mls (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23mls)

I don't think he is 24. But I would love to have him in TO, better than having Dickov.

We'd be stupid to not go after him. I don't think that he's 24 either..I think he has one of those mysterious African ages when you find out that they guy you thought was 25 turns out to be 35.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-09-2010, 11:51 PM
prob have to trade for his rights with chicago AND it could be that he wants DP moneys

jabbronies
03-09-2010, 11:54 PM
If 4-3-1-2, which would be a good formation for us, I would see something like

Wynne-------Attakora-----Gomez---------?

------Cronin-------JDG---------Sanyang---

------------------De Ro------------------

---------Gerba------------OBW--------------


JDG being the playmaker De Ro the 10/AM

I was thinking like this. So Cronin acts like a 5th defender


Wynne-------Attakora------------Proper CB---------Defender

---------------------------Cronin---------------------------

------Dero------------------JDG--------Brennan----------

-------------------Gerba------------OBW--------------

jabbronies
03-09-2010, 11:54 PM
actually that doesn't work cos Dero isn't a winger....

Redpunkfiddle
03-10-2010, 12:07 AM
What, exactly is DeRo's preferred position? Can someone lay out a history?

rocker
03-10-2010, 12:08 AM
Dero doesn't have a set position... just roams everywhere.

Redpunkfiddle
03-10-2010, 12:12 AM
Dero doesn't have a set position... just roams everywhere.

Preferred position, and placement on past teams. He has been assigned different roles at different times.

king dave
03-10-2010, 12:29 AM
I am trying to be as optomistic as possible here.
The other choice is not an option.
But on the face of it?
This team is at the lowest point of it's evolution as far as quality of players and play.
There is something missing.
And it's not a specific player/striker.
It's not a specific defender.
It's just not specific at all!
The problem I think lies as you get further away from the actual pitch.
You find that?
You can fix this club.
KD.

king dave
03-10-2010, 12:44 AM
I made a commitment to myself this year (and it will be tough!) to not get into the player bashing that we all so easily have done the past 3 seasons.
It's tiresome and fruitless.
It's not any players fault that he has been chosen by TFC and under performs.
And it's not his fault if he's an under achiever.
The fault lies off the pitch boys.
KD.

king dave
03-10-2010, 12:54 AM
Flashback to TFC in Puerto Rico.
Media catches a TFC team arriving @ the airport for the big game.
As player by player was interviewed, it appeared as though they could care less about the importance of this game.
They seemed disinterested.
I knew then what I believe now.
Now don't all go bashing me you fuckwads 'cause, like I said earlier, I am a stubborn optomist.
And I will be in Charleston, Columbus, New England, Philly, Chicago, New Jersey, DC and KC and wherever else these fucking douchebags need me whether they like it or not:D.
KD.

UltraSuperMegaMo
03-10-2010, 01:45 AM
The right three, or maybe four, players and things could work out. A good performances in Charleston and we could seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

CretanBull
03-10-2010, 02:11 AM
What, exactly is DeRo's preferred position? Can someone lay out a history?

I think his preferred position has always been AM (from the middle of the pitch) but his managers have typically liked him as a striker. We used him as a winger for most of last season.

I think his best position is probably somewhere between an AM and a striker - playing as a deep laying striker. That gives him space to break down defenders one on one and set up plays like an AM but also takes advantage of his natural finishing ability like a traditional striker and it takes away all defensive responsibilities from him (not that he's bad at it, I just want him focused on goal).

CretanBull
03-10-2010, 02:13 AM
The right three, or maybe four, players and things could work out. A good performances in Charleston and we could seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

If we could get 3-4 MLS calibre starting players to push 3-4 of our current starting XI to the bench, we'd be in good shape...the problem is finding the cap space to add 3-4 players, especially considering we don't have any room for mistakes.

UltraSuperMegaMo
03-10-2010, 02:24 AM
We need a winger (Kayizzi?) and we need a CB. We need a forward, but maybe someone on the roster steps up a becomes that player for us.

The problem is, like you say, the cap. Mo does not have a great history of finding bargain players from the outside the league. That said, I'm sure we'll see more moves, my best guess one or two of Ibrahim, Cronin, Herold, Frei (let's hope not), Wynne, or Edwards will be moved.

romburgundy
03-10-2010, 04:29 AM
I'm all full of optimism and really liking the idea of a defensive minded coach and am hearing that we still have a few trialists around so that's good news.
Dumping Wynn would definitely slow down our fedence and counter attacks but with his call-up to the world cup how useful will he be?

Jimmy makes sense as a left wing but not as LB.

Serioux's gone.

Gomez sounds like he's injured.

Garbage-cia is not a realistic option.

We have Harold in RB
I think so that leaves us a CB and LB short and that's only to have enough starters with no depth.

Midfield is ok so long as JD performs and fills the giant gap that Guavara has left supported by a few good runs and crosses from Jimmy and Sammy on the wings and were good as gold.

(Optimism is being forced on us here so let's embrace it)

So Chad Barrett... Chadsky...C doggs is gonna have a big year this year I can feel it. He smells of success that guy reeks of it. Obi showed us good things last year while still getting over major knee surgery so I hope to see more of him this year up front with C doggs and Dero just behind them as a third striker/cam

Having said that

For bringing in a defensive minded coach Mo deserves a raise. For tieing his hands behind his back before the season even started he deserves to be sent packing.

One signing I'm really hoping for is Ibrahim Said if he's still on trial that is.

I've seen him play for Egypt and he is a solid CB. He will get some cards but no more than serioux or Garbage-cia did last year.

In any case I'm completely optimistic that given the right circumstances, if all the stars are lined up just right, if we have an early bed time and solid breakfast, a good pregame dump and the right attitude on the pitch, if we say our prayers all 20 thousand at BMO plus those watching at home we will only be a little bit F~€ked.

Hey it could be worse but I don't want to imagine what that would be like.

jabbronies
03-10-2010, 05:30 PM
Added Martin Saric to the midfield as he is on trail.

King Tut
03-11-2010, 03:27 AM
One signing I'm really hoping for is Ibrahim Said if he's still on trial that is.

I've seen him play for Egypt and he is a solid CB. He will get some cards but no more than serioux or Garbage-cia did last year.

ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE. IBRAHIM SAID IS PLAYING NEXT SATURDAY!

EBSET YA ME3ALEM! :D

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=925351#post925351

maninb
03-11-2010, 10:39 AM
In addition to Said, I think Cann, Kayizzi, and Saric will make the team...and perhaps Emerenko and Gargan...

Shaughno
03-11-2010, 10:45 AM
I thought I saw something about Eremenko supposedly has left already?

maninb
03-11-2010, 10:51 AM
^ Never saw that...I thought he was still one of the trialists in the States...

BuSaPuNk
03-11-2010, 10:59 AM
In addition to Said, I think Cann, Kayizzi, and Saric will make the team...and perhaps Emerenko and Gargan...

I like to see Kayizzi, Saric and Said stay. Apparently Said is coming and it's not a trail but a signing. I think even though he is a headcase apparently, Preki can keep him in order. Kayizzi has really impressed me so far this preseason. I would like to keep him and use him as a soild winger along with Brennan.


I thought I saw something about Eremenko supposedly has left already?

Eremenko did leave for the Ukraine I believe.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-11-2010, 11:00 AM
yeah i seem to remember reading that eremenko was back home playing on the reserve team, too bad seemed promising although i bet he wanted big money

jabbronies
03-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Added Said as a trailist.

Nuvinho
03-11-2010, 11:46 AM
there is a thread with all the updated trialists, amount of games played, etc.

Nuvinho
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
each day without any signings, the more and more I have a feeling we gonna get blown out by Columbus!

jloome
03-14-2010, 03:52 PM
You need to drop Milos Kocic, as he's left the club, Wileman said yesterday during the game.

Nuvinho
03-14-2010, 04:05 PM
is Kayizzi and Gargan with the team?

dantdot
03-14-2010, 04:12 PM
Wileman posted a list of players in the live chat yesterday, the only trailists left on there were Cann, Zamperini, Saric and Said.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-14-2010, 04:22 PM
id assume we are signing all of em. i wonder what happened to kayizzi and gargan

dantdot
03-14-2010, 04:28 PM
The quote from the chat:

Here's the full squad list of players currently with TFC in Charleston:
24 Frei, 18 Edwards, 4 Garcia, 11 Brennan,
32 Gomez, 16 Wynne, 20 Harden, 15 Joseph,
3 Attakora, 12 Cann, 21 Zamperini, 29 Said,
2 Cronin, 17 Gala, 7 Ibrahim, 25 Saric,
6 de Guzman, 23 Peterson, 22 Sanyang, 9 Gerba,
17 White, 19 Barrett, 14 De Rosario

Hmm, keep in mind Herold is missing for some reason.

Nuvinho
03-14-2010, 04:52 PM
My squad (well what I would like):

GK: Frei (GA), Edwards
DEF: Wynne, Garcia, Harden, Gomez(Dev), Herold (Dev/GA), Nana, Brennan, Cann, Zamperini, Said
MID: Cronin, Gala (Dev), Ibrahim (GA), Saric, DeGuzman, Peterson, Sanyang, Kayizzi
FWD: Gerba, White, Barrett, DeRo

If we release Garcia or get a 20th round pick for him, sign Nana Joesph to a senior developmental contract (if those still exist).

Davenport
03-14-2010, 05:06 PM
I was thinking like this. So Cronin acts like a 5th defender


Wynne-------Attakora------------Proper CB---------Defender

---------------------------Cronin---------------------------

------Dero------------------JDG--------Brennan----------

-------------------Gerba------------OBW--------------

That line up will get the crowds flocking to BMO.......

The only reason I can think why Johnston is still in a job is he and Anselmi are "getting it on".

andyc
03-14-2010, 05:41 PM
My squad (well what I would like):

GK: Frei (GA), Edwards
DEF: Wynne, Garcia, Harden, Gomez(Dev), Herold (Dev/GA), Nana, Brennan, Cann, Zamerini, Said
MID: Cronin, Gala (Dev), Ibrahim (GA), Saric, DeGuzman, Peterson, Sanyang, Kayizzi
FWD: Gerba, White, Barrett, DeRo

If we release Garcia or get a 20th round pick for him, sign Nana Joesph to a senior developmental contract (if those still exist).

Wow - Seeing the squad listed out like this is pretty scary even if we sign all those trialists...

For forwards we only really have Gerba and OBW. Barrett has just started running after his injury and Dero really is a midfielder.

I hope our D significantly improves cos we have a good chance of breaking our own scoreless minutes MLS record this season.

Nuvinho
03-14-2010, 06:07 PM
I actually like that team, if we sign everyone, since some players can play multiple positions.

======================Frei======================
Nana========Said=============Zamperini======Brenna n
====================Cronin======================
====Peterson==========JDG=============DeRo=======
=============OBW===========Gerba===============

Gixmo
03-14-2010, 06:07 PM
Where the hell did Kayizzi go..??
Did he run for cover once he saw the shit-show in person?

koryo
03-14-2010, 06:27 PM
I was thinking like this. So Cronin acts like a 5th defender


Wynne-------Attakora------------Proper CB---------Defender

---------------------------Cronin---------------------------

------Dero------------------JDG--------Brennan----------

-------------------Gerba------------OBW--------------

Ooh, sign that Proper CB fellow. Where does he come from?

Ossington Mental Youth
03-14-2010, 07:41 PM
italy, egypt or canada judging by the look of it

Wooster_TFC
03-14-2010, 09:48 PM
The quote from the chat:

Here's the full squad list of players currently with TFC in Charleston:
24 Frei, 18 Edwards, 4 Garcia, 11 Brennan,
32 Gomez, 16 Wynne, 20 Harden, 15 Joseph,
3 Attakora, 12 Cann, 21 Zamperini, 29 Said,
2 Cronin, 17 Gala, 7 Ibrahim, 25 Saric,
6 de Guzman, 23 Peterson, 22 Sanyang, 9 Gerba,
17 White, 19 Barrett, 14 De Rosario

Hmm, keep in mind Herold is missing for some reason.

According to the live chat yesterday, he's taking care of some personal business...

UltraSuperMegaMo
03-14-2010, 09:54 PM
How much personal business could a 17 year old have, he wasn't even in the Florida camp (his home state unless I'm mistaken)? Is this kid drawing a salary for this?

jabbronies
03-14-2010, 10:10 PM
updated the team list on the initial post

Nuvinho
03-14-2010, 10:17 PM
According to the live chat yesterday, he's taking care of some personal business...

probably school....he is 17 years old, he needs his edumacation.

ecospice
03-15-2010, 07:28 AM
probably school....he is 17 years old, he needs his edumacation.

At the risk of sounding overly pessimistic he probably will get more for himself in school than playing on the team this year (at least the way the team is currently showing).

Hopefully Said pans out at CB, that would help the situation tremendously.

Wooster_TFC
03-15-2010, 10:41 AM
Yes, because it's the easiest thing in the world for a 17 year old to leave everyone he knows behind, uproot, and move to a new country...

Get real. It's not as if he's expected to make an impact this year. He's one for the future hopefully, and as Nana, Ibby, Gabe, and Sanyang/Gomez have shown, TFC likes to bring the young'uns along slowly. Something that I completely agree with.

The interesting thing will be if he can get some playing time with the Academy this year, since I think that would help his progression more so than being nailed to the bench.

Wooster_TFC
03-21-2010, 01:53 PM
Roster info: http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237

I've been hearing a lot of things recently about how we have such a tiny roster and that we need to bring in 15 new players (sure it's a bit of an exaggeration). This is a reality check post again, since people seem to lose there head a lot of the time.

Salary cap aside (which we don't really know the impact of with the new CBA signed), right now we have 5 open roster spots (4 senior, 1 dev). We also only have 2 non-domestic spots open.

So, realistically, unless we move some people out for allocation/picks/domestic players, we are stuck with essentially 2 spots for our various trialists (minus Cann, who's canadian).

Personally, I'd much rather have Preki/Mo be picky right now, rather than fill up those spots for now real gain. Remember that the real movement will be when the European leagues ends in a couple months, and people become available on a free.

Yes we have injuries, yes we've dropped some players. But you have to look at the big picture. Things will be happening in the next couple of weeks I'm sure, and a lot of it will likely involve someone shipping out before we can sign someone new.

TFC07
03-21-2010, 01:54 PM
But we over the cap, no?

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 02:08 PM
But we over the cap, no?

We are not over the cap.....we have about $160K left under the old cap. This does not include any allocation money.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-21-2010, 02:08 PM
is there a cap estimation thread around?

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 02:12 PM
is there a cap estimation thread around?

There are a few......I have kept track of everything in an excel spreadsheet as well.

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 02:14 PM
Roster info: http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237

I've been hearing a lot of things recently about how we have such a tiny roster and that we need to bring in 15 new players (sure it's a bit of an exaggeration). This is a reality check post again, since people seem to lose there head a lot of the time.

I think you may have lost your head if you are willing to give Mo Johnston yet another pass.

Why is every other MLS club able to fill out there rosters? What makes us different?

We need to hold Johnston to a much higher standard. I'm tired of giving this loser more and more chances.

How many times does this guy have to fool the fanbase before people catch wind that he's a fraud? He sucks at his job. Its plain to see.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-21-2010, 02:17 PM
There are a few......I have kept track of everything in an excel spreadsheet as well.

HAHA can ya give me a link or post the excel sheet please?
Even with the new cap (+200k) doesnt give us alot to work with...

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 02:29 PM
I tried looking for it on here...but with no luck. I have the spreadsheet on my work computer, I'll try to post it tomorrow.

Ontario Arab
03-21-2010, 02:31 PM
To make a long story short...we are fucked.

ginkster88
03-21-2010, 02:39 PM
The big picture is that we have only nine players of any quality:

Attakora D
Barrett F
Cronin M
JDG M
de Rosario M/F
Harden D
Peterson F
Sanyang D
OBW F

Before you start to argue about their quality hold on, because it gets worse.

This leaves us with:

Brennan D
Wynne D
Garcia D
Gala D/M
Herold D
Fuad Ibrahim F

That's it. Those are all the players we have. Nine players of middling quality, two pylons and a useless bench. It is scary that three players from the second list may be starting opening day, and even scarier to think about ANYONE getting injured. This team is broken, and there is only one man is responsible for it. The man responsible for the big picture should have his team in place months before the season and not rely on mid-season signings to get the ball rolling. That's not sports management, that's idiocy.

sulfur
03-21-2010, 02:52 PM
Of course, that's skipping our GKs, Frei and Edwards, both of whom I'd put onto list #1.

Wooster_TFC
03-21-2010, 03:24 PM
I think you may have lost your head if you are willing to give Mo Johnston yet another pass.

Why is every other MLS club able to fill out there rosters? What makes us different?

We need to hold Johnston to a much higher standard. I'm tired of giving this loser more and more chances.

How many times does this guy have to fool the fanbase before people catch wind that he's a fraud? He sucks at his job. Its plain to see.

Did I ever say that I thought Mo needed to still be around? He (and possibly Carver/CC) has put us in a terrible position with questionable depth and too many players at the same position.

But, everyone's going off on how we should sign all of Said, Saric, Kocic, Kayizzi, Zamperini, and any number of international strikers that have trialed with us (can't remember all the names, Dickov and Ibad being two - note, no one on these boards wanted Dickov signed), and yet how are we going to fit them in? Even ignoring the fact that we are up against the cap (or not depending on who you talk to and what information is out there).

Realistically, without any other player movement, I can see Cann (because he's canadian) and one of the guys above to be signed, maybe. That's it.

Why do other teams have no problems filling out their roster? It's because the depth of American MLS-level players is much larger than the depth of Canadian MLS-level players. We are capped at 14 non-canadian players, and we currently have 12 of those spots filled. Not only that, but we lose at least 1 of those spots at the end of the season. How do you sign someone to a 3 year contract and slot them into a spot that is going away?

Things will happen, but it will take some time because of the position the team has been placed into. Yes this is Mo's fault. Yes he shouldn't have been given an extension for it. Yes, we're stuck with Mo. But, I think Preki will have more input than past coaches.

Cap aside, players are going to have to move before new ones are brought in, that's all I'm saying.

Wooster_TFC
03-21-2010, 03:37 PM
The big picture is that we have only nine players of any quality:

Attakora D
Barrett F
Cronin M
JDG M
de Rosario M/F
Harden D
Peterson F
Sanyang D
OBW F

Before you start to argue about their quality hold on, because it gets worse.

This leaves us with:

Brennan D
Wynne D
Garcia D
Gala D/M
Herold D
Fuad Ibrahim F

That's it. Those are all the players we have. Nine players of middling quality, two pylons and a useless bench. It is scary that three players from the second list may be starting opening day, and even scarier to think about ANYONE getting injured. This team is broken, and there is only one man is responsible for it. The man responsible for the big picture should have his team in place months before the season and not rely on mid-season signings to get the ball rolling. That's not sports management, that's idiocy.

You missed, Edwards and Frei, who I would put in the first list, Gomez, who I'm not sure about, but if you have Sanyang in the first list, then he goes there too, and Gerba, who will probably be gone shortly and belongs in the second list.

I think Brennan and Wynne can make decent contributions, but that remains to be seen.

One of the major problems I see is that we are insanely young. Gala, Herold, Ibrahim, Gomez, and Sanyang are all arguably too young to contribute significantly at this level. And that's a third of our team.

In Charleston we were also injured and missing players. Of the 19 players on the roster, 3 were hurt (Gomez, Peterson, Barrett), 1 was sent home (Gerba) and 1 was dealing with personal things (Herold). So, 25% (or thereabouts) of our team was not available.

Although I am still rather surprised that there aren't more Canadian trialists out, but I think TFC got burned in year 1 by the likes of Miguel Canizalez, Adam Braz, and Marco Reda, and are likely hesitant to bring in canadian bench players.

TFC07
03-21-2010, 03:46 PM
Did I ever say that I thought Mo needed to still be around? He (and possibly Carver/CC) has put us in a terrible position with questionable depth and too many players at the same position.

But, everyone's going off on how we should sign all of Said, Saric, Kocic, Kayizzi, Zamperini, and any number of international strikers that have trialed with us (can't remember all the names, Dickov and Ibad being two - note, no one on these boards wanted Dickov signed), and yet how are we going to fit them in? Even ignoring the fact that we are up against the cap (or not depending on who you talk to and what information is out there).

Realistically, without any other player movement, I can see Cann (because he's canadian) and one of the guys above to be signed, maybe. That's it.

Why do other teams have no problems filling out their roster? It's because the depth of American MLS-level players is much larger than the depth of Canadian MLS-level players. We are capped at 14 non-canadian players, and we currently have 12 of those spots filled. Not only that, but we lose at least 1 of those spots at the end of the season. How do you sign someone to a 3 year contract and slot them into a spot that is going away?

Things will happen, but it will take some time because of the position the team has been placed into. Yes this is Mo's fault. Yes he shouldn't have been given an extension for it. Yes, we're stuck with Mo. But, I think Preki will have more input than past coaches.

Cap aside, players are going to have to move before new ones are brought in, that's all I'm saying.

Don't blame it on Canadian players! They're not part of the problem! (maybe excluding Jimmy B). The problem is that non-american players are getting way overpaid and they're not producing. Mo could have had a chance of getting Will Johnson's rights from Chicago but instead we end up with Barrett.

BTW, if you look at Houston's roster, they got like 4-5 canadians on cheap. They seem to be winning games too! The talent is there, it's just maybe Canadian players don't wanna play for Mo?

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 03:59 PM
LOL. Anyone who is still going to trot out the Canadian excuse, in 2010, Year 4 of this club, is not worth even paying attention to.

Wooster_TFC
03-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Don't blame it on Canadian players! They're not part of the problem! (maybe excluding Jimmy B). The problem is that non-american players are getting way overpaid and they're not producing. Mo could have had a chance of getting Will Johnson's rights from Chicago but instead we end up with Barrett.

BTW, if you look at Houston's roster, they got like 4-5 canadians on cheap. They seem to be winning games too! The talent is there, it's just maybe Canadian players don't wanna play for Mo?

How many MLS-level canadian players would you say there are, that actually want to play here? I'd guess in the 20-30 range, including those already signed to MLS teams.

Sure we have missed out on a couple solid canadian players. Most of that I think is because of two reasons, the MLS discovery placement (how we got Huckerby's rights) and the fact that other MLS teams will hold us over the fire for a trade for a decent canadian.

You're completely ignoring the depth of the american system compared to the canadian system. There are just flat out way more players of a decent skill level available to american teams. Fact.

rocker
03-21-2010, 04:35 PM
LOL. Anyone who is still going to trot out the Canadian excuse, in 2010, Year 4 of this club, is not worth even paying attention to.

LOL... you might as well stop checking this thread then, eh?

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 06:58 PM
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/picture.php?albumid=384&pictureid=2277

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 07:00 PM
sorry about earlier, my numbers were a bit off, I had Serioux included an no Harden.

So we have 19 players under contract (12 international players) for a total of $2.073M....so we have $226.5K left before any allocation, etc.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-21-2010, 07:44 PM
its been suggested the cap is going up 200k, so we have about 426.5k then if thats true

Pigfynn
03-21-2010, 07:52 PM
^^Plus allocation

Nuvinho
03-21-2010, 07:56 PM
its been suggested the cap is going up 200k, so we have about 426.5k then if thats true

Minus the $34K or so we have to use to top up the players making less than 40K

and any allocation

menefreghista
03-21-2010, 08:08 PM
LOL... you might as well stop checking this thread then, eh?

When you have examples like FC Dallas signing a young Canadian (Eddie Edwards) right before the season starts, I stop paying attention to anyone who wants to bring this excuse back. This is just one of many examples. Not going to absolve Mo for being lazy.

This is no longer a valid excuse. If you want to defend Mo and the shitty way he runs our team, more power to anyone who wants to do so. Just don't use any laughable excuses for it.

jabbronies
03-21-2010, 08:12 PM
so Said it now out. Anyone else?

Jeffro
03-21-2010, 08:46 PM
I'm pretty sure Gerba got a hefty raise this year and is making just over $300k now, is he not?

Yohan
03-21-2010, 09:03 PM
I'm pretty sure Gerba got a hefty raise this year and is making just over $300k now, is he not?
qu'est-ce que fuck?

normally I'd have laughed my ass off, but since it's you and you know stuff...

Jeffro
03-21-2010, 11:47 PM
qu'est-ce que fuck?

normally I'd have laughed my ass off, but since it's you and you know stuff...

Pretty sure it was written into his contract when he signed, which was part of convincing him to sign... I was talking about this with a 'friend' today and he mentioned something about how we're on the hook for his $300k and no one will take him from us for that kind of money.

Nuvinho
03-22-2010, 07:29 AM
Pretty sure it was written into his contract when he signed, which was part of convincing him to sign... I was talking about this with a 'friend' today and he mentioned something about how we're on the hook for his $300k and no one will take him from us for that kind of money.

could be the salary that the $145K plus salary was for half the season.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-22-2010, 08:35 AM
i dont even know anymore

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 08:38 AM
Is it bad that... I don't even care anymore?

jabbronies
03-22-2010, 08:41 AM
Is it bad that... I don't even care anymore?

yup!

Daveisonfire
03-22-2010, 08:43 AM
i dont even know anymore


Is it bad that... I don't even care anymore?

I'm somewhere in between :(

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 08:51 AM
yup!

I'm closing my eyes and ears until Saturday... LOL

Nuvinho
03-22-2010, 09:10 AM
updated based on last year's salaries but with the new min. and new cap:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/picture.php?albumid=384&pictureid=2279

English Rachel
03-22-2010, 09:15 AM
I'm somewhere in between :(

I'm stood right next to you. So sad that I feel this way :(

Auzzy
03-22-2010, 09:25 AM
That's Garcia's full salary, right? What if San Jose is paying part of it, as has been suggested a couple of times??

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 09:28 AM
You'd need to know the details to know for sure. Ie. How much of it? For how long?

Wooster_TFC
03-22-2010, 09:32 AM
The numbers there are also missing whatever we're paying for Robinson (although it probably swaps off with what San Jose are paying for Garcia, from what I've heard).

Also, for the OP, Nane Joseph is technically on trial as he has not been signed to a contract yet.

Nuvinho
03-22-2010, 09:35 AM
The numbers there are also missing whatever we're paying for Robinson (although it probably swaps off with what San Jose are paying for Garcia, from what I've heard).

Also, for the OP, Nane Joseph is technically on trial as he has not been signed to a contract yet.

I put the Robbo number on the bottom. Garcia I didn't know how much we are actually paying him (I figure that's the reason why he is still here probably).

If you have any updates, let me know. I'll try to update that spreadsheet. How many american/international spots do we have?

Oldtimer
03-22-2010, 10:04 AM
New cap is $2.55 million:

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/37335/behind-the-scenes-of-cba-negotiations.html

Wooster_TFC
03-22-2010, 10:06 AM
I put the Robbo number on the bottom. Garcia I didn't know how much we are actually paying him (I figure that's the reason why he is still here probably).

If you have any updates, let me know. I'll try to update that spreadsheet. How many american/international spots do we have?

Unless things changed, and my numbers are correct, 3 American only, and 11 full international (of which we only have 2 open spots, and 1 expires at the end of the season).

By the way, the thread is still there in the new section (and stickied too!) http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237. I try to keep it as up to date as I can.

Maybe it should be moved over from the news section for more traction? I don't know.

Wooster_TFC
03-22-2010, 10:13 AM
Who's Eddie Edwards? Can barely find a thing on him in google, and FC Dallas makes no mention of him on their site. The one post I found about him suggested he was undrafted, which also means that 14 other teams passed on him as well. Although, it would have made way more sense to draft him over Nane Joseph, since it doesn't look like Joseph is going to make it due to roster limits.

I'd like you to name 10, heck even go for 5, "counts as domestic" players that would be available, and actually come, to trial for TFC (and be of the same level at least as say, Nane Joseph). I'll even give you Adrian Cann as one! On the flip side, a list of 50 American players could probably be had fairly easily.

Yohan
03-22-2010, 10:35 AM
Who's Eddie Edwards? Can barely find a thing on him in google, and FC Dallas makes no mention of him on their site. The one post I found about him suggested he was undrafted, which also means that 14 other teams passed on him as well. Although, it would have made way more sense to draft him over Nane Joseph, since it doesn't look like Joseph is going to make it due to roster limits.

I'd like you to name 10, heck even go for 5, "counts as domestic" players that would be available, and actually come, to trial for TFC (and be of the same level at least as say, Nane Joseph). I'll even give you Adrian Cann as one! On the flip side, a list of 50 American players could probably be had fairly easily.
former Ottawa Fury defender who also played at some school in US

the thing is, if he's good enough for Dallas to give a look and possibly use an international spot on him, he's worth looking at by TFC?

either way, kinda shows Mo has either little scouting or contacts in Canadian program. or he just doesn't care about Canadians playing in lower leagues in NA

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 10:49 AM
whats with zamperini? he's actually a good fit for this team and this league. u can see his demos on youtube. good aniticipation, size and speed. would also ensure garcia stays off the pitch. would solidify defence which could be effective this year. bigger, stronger and younger. any word on his status, as he didn't play saturday?

Yohan
03-22-2010, 11:00 AM
whats with zamperini? he's actually a good fit for this team and this league. u can see his demos on youtube. good aniticipation, size and speed. would also ensure garcia stays off the pitch. would solidify defence which could be effective this year. bigger, stronger and younger. any word on his status, as he didn't play saturday?
rumours say he was offered a contract

he did look good, but there were couple of times where he made couple of bonehead plays...

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 11:03 AM
Bonehead plays are bound to happen when a) it's preseason and b) you don't know any of the players you're playing with.

T_Mizz
03-22-2010, 11:03 AM
I think at this point we need to sign the three that are reportedly signing: Saric, Cann and Zamperini; otherwise we're pretty screwed.

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 11:03 AM
hmmm...thanks. ya the odd bonehead play is to be expected in this league i suppose. as long as he doesn"t stand out in a Garcia kind of way.

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 11:06 AM
wonder how much these guys might cost...
ZAMP $175 - $250 range?
Cann $100 - $125 range?
Saric $???

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 11:09 AM
Cann played two seasons in Norway right? Or was it Denmark? Anyone have any salary information on those areas? Might give a better indication as to what they would be asking...

Nuvinho
03-22-2010, 11:09 AM
Bonehead plays are bound to happen when a) it's preseason and b) you don't know any of the players you're playing with.

c) when you are playing with Garcia.

Yohan
03-22-2010, 11:10 AM
wonder how much these guys might cost...
ZAMP $175 - $250 range?
Cann $100 - $125 range?
Saric $???
my opinion
Zamperini 100k
Cann 75k
Saric? haven't seen enough of him

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 11:11 AM
c) when you are playing with Garcia.

d) when your teammates lack the football intelligence to continue their runs (see JDG's passing)

Shaughno
03-22-2010, 11:12 AM
my opinion
Zamperini 100k
Cann 75k
Saric? haven't seen enough of him

I think that's fair. With Saric being from Serb and Romanian leagues... you can probably get him for under $100k easy, if not down to $75.

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 11:13 AM
whenever i think of garcia, many horrible things come to mind - but the one that stands out is his debut in montreal where he scissor-tripped up the impact player in the box and then spent the next 10 minutes blaming the ref. i hope a movement happens where he is paid off and sent away.

jloome
03-22-2010, 11:26 AM
whats with zamperini? he's actually a good fit for this team and this league. u can see his demos on youtube. good aniticipation, size and speed. would also ensure garcia stays off the pitch. would solidify defence which could be effective this year. bigger, stronger and younger. any word on his status, as he didn't play saturday?

He's actually made some pretty piss poor decisions when he has featured in pre-season. Doesn't look like starting material.

Nuvinho
03-22-2010, 11:28 AM
If we were going to offer Said $300K, we probably budgeted less for the other three.

Cann $75K, Zamperini $120K, Saric $85K

That leaves enough for Mo to bring in his bff Dickov ;)

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 11:30 AM
i didn't catch much of him (zamp) online during those games, so thats unfortunate to hear.

rocker
03-22-2010, 11:32 AM
i thought Zamperini was fine for MLS. he made a bad backpass in one game that hung Frei out to dry, and a couple other moments.. but weighing the good with the bad, he looked like solid MLS material (if signed at the right price).

He made some great tackles in dangerous positions and seemed to pass decently out of the back.

Adrian Cann was shakier (and loved to just boot the ball out to nobody at times).

Yohan
03-22-2010, 11:37 AM
He's actually made some pretty piss poor decisions when he has featured in pre-season. Doesn't look like starting material.
cue in Preki's magic defensive upgrade booster system? or am i being too hopeful

P-NUTZ
03-22-2010, 11:44 AM
it's tough to consider these guys in the right context because compared to what we have, one or two of these guys may fit and improve the line. but judging on that alone begs the question of whats available that we havn't seen? and that signing the best of a suspicious batch alone has got us in trouble before, as in - "who's the least horrible".

Whoop
03-22-2010, 11:48 AM
Man... this is ugly.

And it's going to get uglier before it turns around.

poppamidnight
04-03-2010, 01:26 PM
Zack Herold - Any update on him?

Wasn't on the bench in Columbus...

Is he still taking care of "personal Matters"?

if not, is he back w/ team yet?

Youth aside... He has to be better than the 2 CB's we fielded in that game... Heck if he can even jog, i'd put him in the lineup... I can live with rookie mistakes, not Veteran stupidity....

Ossington Mental Youth
04-03-2010, 03:29 PM
hes a rb not a cb and 17 and never played outside of the ncaa, dont think we want him starting quite yet

Auzzy
04-03-2010, 04:17 PM
In any case, I read somewhere (24thminute.com ??) that Zac Herold isn't allowed to play until June, when he turns 18... ?

Nuvinho
04-03-2010, 04:26 PM
In any case, I read somewhere (24thminute.com ??) that Zac Herold isn't allowed to play until June, when he turns 18... ?

Don't think that is true.......Adu played before he turned 18, same with Eddie Gavin....and the Flores guy on philly I think?

You only have to be 18 if you are not a US/CDN citizen, similiar to Sanyang's situation last year.

poppamidnight
04-03-2010, 05:42 PM
hes a rb not a cb and 17 and never played outside of the ncaa, dont think we want him starting quite yet

Yup... forgot to infer the fact Nana has played CB for us before,

A rednation interview with Nana last yr (nov. 09) said this:


Rednation Online: You have played as both a centre back and as a right back for Toronto FC. Do you prefer one position over the other?
Nana Attakora: I prefer center back. In the beginning of the season I was just eager to play, so wherever they put me I was fine with. But I've always stated that centre back is my preference. I also knew that in order to play there more often I would have to have strong performances there.


as per here:http://www.rednationonline.ca/Rednation_Speaks_with_Nana_Attakora_of_Toronto_FC_ nov_24_09_feature.shtml


If the guy prefers it, and we have useless bodies there, why not give it to him, and let Zach start RB?


I don't buy this "let them learn/develop" by not starting them....
I'd argue we've seen regression in these players:
-Fuad, Sanyang, Gommez

Sanyang, Fuad looked great when thrown into the fire,
as did Nana,
as did Hemming.... then we relegated him back to the bench to "develop" and we eventually pissed him off, and left,
Why piss away our youth?

Just dont understand it, nor do i buy the argument


While were on the topic of youth, what's the latest on Nane Joseph?
did he turn down the offer?

UltraSuperMegaMo
04-03-2010, 07:20 PM
hes a rb not a cb and 17 and never played outside of the ncaa, dont think we want him starting quite yet

I don't think Zack Herold has played in the NCAA, he wasn't in college when he got drafted (maybe I'm wrong). You see 17 and 18 year old stepping in and doing a job at higher levels than TFC from time to time, so it's not a sci-fi premise, but in this particular instance, I think you're right.