North Stand Construction Photos (new photos MARCH 18th)

[Parkdale]

where do you get all the good stuff? Right here! That's where!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010114.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010115.jpg

^ yes yes, we all know the pylon jokes. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010117.jpg

^ to show how it will be raised over the beer garden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010118.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010119.jpg

^ there's looking in the gap of 111-112. Can you see how close the grass is going to be!!!!




oh, and I found this!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/03062010116.jpg

^ it's a bit blurry, but someone with an 'artistic streak' has gone and turned our old coach into a very, very old looks ruffian. I lol'ed.


anyway, there's your update from BMO field. Keep your eyes right here, there's more to come!

[James Oliphant]

Billy Mays?

[BC101]

That is a proper stand iam surprised its that "large" LOL I thought it would turn out to be the same as the one they put in for RM!

[rocker]

thanks for the pics... this stand is gonna look imposing from inside I think.. much bigger and steeper and closer than the temp one during Puerto Rico.

I really liked how the temp stand last year filled in that gap and the fans added noise from that end... this will be even better!

[billyfly]

That is a proper stand iam surprised its that "large" LOL I thought it would turn out to be the same as the one they put in for RM!


That's exactly what I thought BC. That looks different (and better) than I visualized.

[cementhead]

What no Beer?

[Gixmo]

Exceptional Parky! I was wondering about this earlier!

[Kevin]

Sweet update! Let be go ahead and ask about the added attendance?

[billyfly]

1 more thing - Mike when did you take these? Does that look like its gonna be ready for home opener?, not sure.

[billyfly]

What no Beer?

I still can't see the beer garden under the stands in this pic.

[rocker]

I like the gap for standing... a few people can stand, which is fine, but it won't be a massive crowd (or people standing back at the tables and watching the scoreboard as if they were at home).

It's a unique design element to have the standers there and the seats above.

[BC101]

That's exactly what I thought BC. That looks different (and better) than I visualized.
So long beer garden I WISH I could say I am gonna miss it but parents taught me to never lie.

I can't wait to see that stand filled with supporters. Wonder if they'll move NEE over there and return 127 to being a non supporter section? will a portion of it be for away fans?(More than just 100) so many questions I have LOL.

[mlsintoronto]

I hate that you scooped me. Timing will be tight. They'll be installing seats on the 10th of April!

[mlsintoronto]

Great shots by the way Parky!

[rocker]

I hate that you scooped me. Timing will be tight. They'll be installing seats on the 10th of April!

don't worry.. after the players strike you'll have lots of time to put the finishing touches on it ;)

[Parkdale]

billy - it looks like it will be up in no time. They aren't building an addition to the ROM, they are building a quick and dirty set of bleechers. I just hope bolts dont fall out like they did on the west side.

BC - i havent heard anything about moving the nee from 127. I think they're staying put.

[Parkdale]

I hate that you scooped me.

Haha, aren't you used to it by now? Any idea what's up with the picture of carver?

[nascarguy]

Haha, aren't you used to it by now? Any idea what's up with the picture of carver?

yeah parkdale why did you do that .......

[Red Rat]

finally a real stadium.


rr

[canadian_bhoy]

Me likey!!!!!

Grass, north end stands, possibly MLS Cup....if people start seriously talking roof, I'm going to lose it! So awesome!!!!

[bgnewf]

Took some new shots today of the ongoing construction of the new North end.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4411451133_275a9a3f5c_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4412216068_2cd3ba9b39_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4411435447_40b44b6798_b.jpg

[Bloor West FC]

I wish we were adding a stage instead. I mean look at Columbus and Chicago there stage is awesome. So cool to be able to have one of those :red:


OK I am just kidding, Parky thanks for those pics dude.

[bgnewf]

I wish we were adding a stage instead. I mean look at Columbus and Chicago there stage is awesome. So cool to be able to have one of those :red:


OK I am just kidding, Parky thanks for those pics dude.

Dude... I'm not Parky

[Bloor West FC]

Dude... I'm not Parky


Ummmmmmmm ok:picard:

[rocker]

parkdale... did you see bgnewf taking photos when you were down there taking photos? ;)

[London]

it is bigger than i imagined.

i bet it will have a good view as it is higher up than the southend

[Red Rat]

is looking good, keep the pics coming.

rr

[bgnewf]

And I almost forgot. Here is a shot of the surface out front of 113-115. It looks all ready for grass.


Thank you Maurice Edu.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4411611597_5c0391d494_b.jpg

[Bloor West FC]

And I almost forgot. Here is a shot of the surface out front of 113-115. It looks all ready for grass.


Thank you Maurice Edu. :picard:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4411611597_5c0391d494_b.jpg

Ummmmmmmm ok

[deeznutz]

The north end will add how many seats? 2,500? Am I right?

[James Oliphant]

1,200-1,500 I think was the number. It's not the full width of the north end, and it won't have as many rows as the south.

[Bloor West FC]

I think it was near 1200

[rocker]

1249 in the new stand.. plus 113 right behind the goal.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/bmoexpand2.jpg
http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/?action=view&current=bmoexpand2.jpg&newest=1

[Parkdale]

hahaha.... You were down there too! Nice work Big Neuf!!

I'm not the only shuttler bug down there.

[prizby]

thats a lot of counting :p

[bgnewf]

hahaha.... You were down there too! Nice work Big Neuf!!

I'm not the only shuttler bug down there.


Was at the bicycle show and took my camera for a walk.

[Parkdale]

I was on my bicycle, because it was a nice day. Then after I was down there I realized the show was happening.

small world.

[rocker]

how are the player bench dugouts coming along?

[bgnewf]

how are the player bench dugouts coming along?

Couldn't see squatt-o from the North end mate.

[Phil]

how are the player bench dugouts coming along?

We wil get pics soon :D

[billyfly]

billy - it looks like it will be up in no time. They aren't building an addition to the ROM, they are building a quick and dirty set of bleechers. I just hope bolts dont fall out like they did on the west side.

BC - i havent heard anything about moving the nee from 127. I think they're staying put.

Paul B himself in his post said it will be tight to make April opener.

[Hitcho]

This looks awesome. Grass, north stand (steeper and more imposing than I'd expected, and would NOT like to be under it for the beer "garden" looking at those pics!), new dug outs, new coach.

Can someone FIRE MO and make this happy picture complete?

(I'm looking at you, mlsintoronto... :D)

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

So when are we submitting our list to TFC.....of RPB who want to transfer to the northend and make a REAL SUPPORTER SECTION!...? :).... a 1200 should do it!.......%100 supporters...our own section....self policed......im sure USec and RPB could fill it up with a very intimidating crowd!

[Phil]

So when are we submitting our list to TFC.....of RPB who want to transfer to the northend and make a REAL SUPPORTER SECTION!...? :).... a 1200 should do it!.......

Its not going to happen. Plans are in place for that section that do not involve supporters.

[Bars92]

They can always fill in the corners later on..Lets hope we win some big matches soon.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Its not going to happen. Plans are in place for that section that do not involve supporters.

brutal......huge mistake......

[Phil]

brutal......huge mistake......

There is always the future :D

[Blizzard]

Billy Mays?

http://youtomb.mit.edu/thumbnail/YouTube/Y/3/Y3DCOlm279s/b93d33ddb1ea4405d540abc4097bb28d.jpg

[MUFC_Niagara]

Me likey!!!!!

Grass, north end stands, possibly MLS Cup....if people start seriously talking roof, I'm going to lose it! So awesome!!!!

Agreed Mikey!

[mlsintoronto]

brutal......huge mistake......


HA HA - never gets old! We'll keep making these mistakes and you guys keep bringing your voices!

:scarf::scarf::scarf:

[TFC Cityboy]

^^out of character, Paul. Comes over as arrogant ie it doesn't matter what we do, they'll buy it anyway.

surprised.

[mlsintoronto]

Sorry if it sounds arrogant. I was only remarking how we are very consistently told how we're making brutal mistakes...yet things appear to be running fairly well. it grates on you after a while! no offence intended, and hopefully this group knows that we don't take much for granted. I'm still here aren't I?

[Pigfynn]

I think Paul just gets tired of hearing about how "MLSE needs to do more" "Get better!" and "Start winning"

It's too bad there is so much work to do.It's a mistake to think there isn't a lot more that could and should be done though.

[brad]

Is the beer garden going to be under the new stand?

[TFC Cityboy]

fair enough...I assumed there was some good nature to the comment but it's certainly easy to read as arrogant.
cheers.

[mlsintoronto]

"Start winning"




see? there's something we can agree on! :)

[bgnewf]

see? there's something we can agree on! :)

All I think we all want here is for the Director of Soccer to run his business in as transparent and forthright way as you do Paul. You at least communicate with the fans. And you do not hide yourself away even when you get direct criticism or have difficult or unpopular messages to deliver.

If there was ever a time for Mo to communicate with the fans of the club, like Brian Burke has done with the Maple Leafs, and like you do, then now is that time.

What is Mo's vision? Our club is not an expansion team anymore. Yet it feels to many of us that we are still an expansion club when it comes to the product on the pitch.

The success of this team cannot be based on just the game day experience anymore. I for one will not be too keen to renew my seasons tickets next year (which of course will rise in prices again) if the only improvement is the fact that I can buy Smoke's Poutine at the ground.

[Gixmo]

All I think we all want here is for the Director of Soccer to run his business in as transparent and forthright way as you do Paul. You at least communicate with the fans. And you do not hide yourself away even when you get direct criticism or have difficult or unpopular messages to deliver.

If there was ever a time for Mo to communicate with the fans of the club, like Brian Burke has done with the Maple Leafs, and like you do, then now is that time.

What is Mo's vision? Our club is not an expansion team anymore. Yet it feels to many of us that we are still an expansion club when it comes to the product on the pitch.



I'd agree with that, and I pose this to Paul..

Seeing as you are very transparent with the supporters, be that good/bad/ugly, I'm surprised that more within the club don't chime in from time to time (beyond security). Is this something that you personally have undertaken (Communicating with the SG) or is a MLSE directive?

I'm sure that some insight from Mo himself would go a long way. I understand there are things that cannot be said in a public light, secrets, tactics etc - However I believe some of the sentiment towards Mo would/could be reduced if a degree of transparency was preset with the 'other director'

I've been a strong supporter of the business model you employ from Day One, and call on your peers to follow your lead. Everyone wins with open communication!

Thoughts? (/Hijack thread)

[mlsintoronto]

Others have become involved on these and other boards, at my strong recommendation. However when things are bad or ugly people tend to attack, leading our guys becoming defensive and ultimately leaving.

I'm the only one stupid or narcissistic enough to hang around! :)

[TFC Cityboy]

^^thick skin and a sense of humour are useful, eh, Paul.
Keep coming back- we appreciate it.

[Gixmo]

Others have become involved on these and other boards, at my strong recommendation. However when things are bad or ugly people tend to attack, leading our guys becoming defensive and ultimately leaving.

I'm the only one stupid or narcissistic enough to hang around! :)

Fair enough, I haven't noticed that - Which may also paint a picture as well :) I can understand entirely the desire to leave when the claws come out here - It's rough at times. I assume the pressures would be ugly. What you do goes a long way obviously with us, good/bad or ugly.

Maybe you can strongly recommend Mr. Mo stops in and says hi.. Gives us some insight on the team selection, what the 'vision' is in regards to personnel incoming & his thoughts for 2010.

[Roogsy]

Sorry if it sounds arrogant. I was only remarking how we are very consistently told how we're making brutal mistakes...yet things appear to be running fairly well. it grates on you after a while! no offence intended, and hopefully this group knows that we don't take much for granted. I'm still here aren't I?

I know that you hear a lot of complaints from all over, myself included. But there is a general agreement that TFC has done many things right as well. Otherwise, it wouldn't be held up as a model franchise. And it deserves it.

Of course, what you guys do right doesn't get a backpat as much as you hear the complaints when you do something wrong.

In my opinion, you guys do as much right as you do wrong.

Unfortunately, what you do right is often on the business side (kudos to you Paul) and what you do wrong is most often on the team operations side (Mo being the biggest problem with the team). Seriously, I know you can't comment on it publicly but I can't believe you can possibly accept Tom Anselmi's statement about the team's results being acceptable as something you believe in yourself. And I believe the supporters have been proven pretty much right with their concerns (or whinings, however you view them) by the results on the pitch. We may be overzealous fans...but as is often mentioned (accurately), we are also one of the most educated fans in any sport, most of us having played at various levels and followed many clubs most of our lives, and when we see something wrong with the team, it's probably with good reason.

[Parkdale]

here's MORE pics of the construction, because that's what this thread is about.... me getting the scoop!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/P3070810.jpg


and here...... is the sunken bench!!(seems a bit narrow to me though, like you will still have subs on the regular level)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/P3070812.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/P3070811.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/P3070813.jpg



and I had to get a closeup of this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mike24k/bmo_field/P3070809.jpg

looks like his short tenure with TFC aged the poor man beyond his years. Paul B must look like the crypt keeper by now!

[MTomas]

great pics

Love the Billy Mays close up

Good job Parkdale.

Do you have secret access to the stadium we don't know about?

[Parkdale]

Do you have secret access to the stadium we don't know about?

nope. I have a zoom lens. I would never enter the grounds without a ticket. :cool:

[rocker]

Couldn't see squatt-o from the North end mate.

you gotta work harder then.. like parkdale does ;)

[Gixmo]

What equipment are you using Parky..

Me thinks you need to visit with a 70-300 USM Canon Lens :)

[rocker]

player bench area doesn't look wide but looks deep... would they have 2 rows of seats?

[DichioTFC]

Sorry if it sounds arrogant. I was only remarking how we are very consistently told how we're making brutal mistakes...yet things appear to be running fairly well. it grates on you after a while! no offence intended, and hopefully this group knows that we don't take much for granted. I'm still here aren't I?

Lets cut Paul some slack. Running a sports franchise IN TORONTO OF ALL PLACES is not easy by any stretch.

Besides, the season hasnt begun yet! Lets save the negativity for 4:01pm on March 27
:D

[DichioTFC]

subs bench doesn't look wide but looks deep... would they have 2 rows of seats?

visiting players have to sit on laps. :yum:

[Sab0tage]

New stand looks good. I wish it was a bit wider (more sections), but it seems pretty steep which may add some variety and some character to the ground.

[Cashcleaner]

Sorry if it sounds arrogant. I was only remarking how we are very consistently told how we're making brutal mistakes...yet things appear to be running fairly well. it grates on you after a while! no offence intended, and hopefully this group knows that we don't take much for granted. I'm still here aren't I?

Welcome to managing ANY business, Paul!

[jabbronies]

Thank god I wont have to see the beer garden full of people during the game anymore.

Didn't know about the dugout style benches. Wonder if the players will get those sweet ass racing seats we see in EPL stadiums?

[Red Rat]

OH Imagine 1200 true fans on that corner, one voice united.

mlsintotornto, hint hint.


rr

[boban]

Thank god I wont have to see the beer garden full of people during the game anymore.

Didn't know about the dugout style benches. Wonder if the players will get those sweet ass racing seats we see in EPL stadiums?
Who says you won't see people standing there anymore??
The stand is 8ft high at least. People will still be there during the game - especially if it rains.

[SuperTCP]

OH Imagine 1200 true fans on that corner, one voice united.

mlsintotornto, hint hint.


rr


Lets hope they take the hint. We need supporters on both ends, and a north end stand with 100% supports (no F-ing scalpers) would be ideal.

[nascarguy]

So when are we submitting our list to TFC.....of RPB who want to transfer to the northend and make a REAL SUPPORTER SECTION!...? :).... a 1200 should do it!.......%100 supporters...our own section....self policed......im sure USec and RPB could fill it up with a very intimidating crowd!


Its not going to happen. Plans are in place for that section that do not involve supporters.
yeah there is no need for that

[nascarguy]

Lets hope they take the hint. We need supporters on both ends, and a north end stand with 100% supports (no F-ing scalpers) would be ideal.
the NEE are there

[Parkdale]

okay... I'm going to lay it all out here because it seems like some people don't know the facts.


first off: The seats in this stand NEVER went on sale to the public.
They were NOT included in relocation, and NOT given to gold listers.
what does this mean --- this means scalpers didn't get a chance to buy them either!!

Everyone follow that so far?
The north stand tickets have never gone on sale, so scalpers have had no chance to buy them.

next point - someone has those seats, and if it's not new ticket holders, and not current SSH...
that leaves either walkups or group sales. My guess is going with group sales.

Now for my speculation...

let's suppose that TFC FO wants this stand to be a rocking, wild looking place.
Maybe they want to have another 'supporters section' without getting into the
politics of dealing with a supporters group? What if they have some way to get
the stands filled with 'part-time-supporters' (just using that term for fun)
who will wear red on game day, chant positive chants and ... not walk out?

The south end was segregated by supporters groups. We work together now,
but there are still huge areas of unorganized support. Think what TFC could do
with 1200 seats in one concentrated area that was run BY THEM!.

They could sell the 'supporter experience' to anyone who wanted to buy a ticket (thought group sales)
without having to deal with us or the other SG's (and let's be honest, we can be a headache at times).

I think that if the new stands becomes a standing, chanting, flag waving section
it will be better for the stadium, even if it's NOT one of the current SG's running it.

Also, if this section is group sales, then they can get more people into it than they
ever could with the south end. There will be turnaround up there that the south
has never experienced. They can 'group sale' hundreds of people into the section
a few times a year, and those people can 'be supporters' without being part of an SG.

They can come to BMO for the 'supporters experience' and stop thinking about it when the games done.


It all seems so simple when I think of it now.

my wild speculation is that the group sales will somehow go though Carlsberg, as they gave up the beer garden.

[backbeat]

Now for my speculation...

let's suppose that TFC FO wants this stand to be a rocking, wild looking place.
Maybe they want to have another 'supporters section' without getting into the
politics of dealing with a supporters group? What if they have some way to get
the stands filled with 'part-time-supporters' (just using that term for fun)
who will wear red on game day, chant positive chants and ... not walk out?

The south end was segregated by supporters groups. We work together now,
but there are still huge areas of unorganized support. Think what TFC could do
with 1200 seats in one concentrated area that was run BY THEM!.

They could sell the 'supporter experience' to anyone who wanted to buy a ticket (thought group sales)
without having to deal with us or the other SG's (and let's be honest, we can be a headache at times).

I think that if the new stands becomes a standing, chanting, flag waving section
it will be better for the stadium, even if it's NOT one of the current SG's running it.

Also, if this section is group sales, then they can get more people into it than they
ever could with the south end. There will be turnaround up there that the south
has never experienced. They can 'group sale' hundreds of people into the section
a few times a year, and those people can 'be supporters' without being part of an SG.

They can come to BMO for the 'supporters experience' and stop thinking about it when the games done.


It all seems so simple when I think of it now.

my wild speculation is that the group sales will somehow go though Carlsberg, as they gave up the beer garden.[/quote]

but how would they organize it enough to have united chants if they're so transient??

[Roogsy]

Organization is needed for stands to be "rocking". They may be loud, but no moreso than any other section at BMO Field. At this point, I don't think much can be expected from the North Stand other than what you get in other parts of the stadium except for the South Stands. And while it is better than a Leaf game at the ACC, it isn't as impressive as you would hope.

In other words, don't expect much.

[Parkdale]

but how would they organize it enough to have united chants if they're so transient??

simple chants like T-F-C-clap-clap-clap and 'this is our house' so so basic, any 2nd Grader can learn to sing along.

granted this is all speculation on my part, but maybe whoever 'runs' the section (and gets the naming rights) will have some 'promo team' to hand out song sheets?

We haven't heard anything about naming yet, but I would put dollars to donuts that the 'North Stand' will be called something like 'Carlsberg Stand', or 'Jack Astor's Patio' or some sponsored name.

[jabbronies]

Who says you won't see people standing there anymore??
The stand is 8ft high at least. People will still be there during the game - especially if it rains.

??? I don't get you???

Why would people stand underneath the new seats during the game if they can't actually see the game??

One of the appeals with the old beer garden was that you could still see the game from there.

[Parkdale]

In other words, don't expect much.

I don't expect much either, and there's so much work that goes into 112, it would be impossible to build something like that from scratch in a limited amount of time...

but if the section sponsor (again it's my speculation that one will exist)
has people working for them... like the 'Loud Squad' at raptors games....

we'll have to see what happens.

[Shaughno]

It'll end up as an away section... then some team will come and do what we did to Columbus.

Shame, it could have been pure supporters over there with a little bit of time and coordination from the SG's and FO.

[TFC Cityboy]

I asked my ticket rep a few weeks back if/when tickets were going to made available to platinum waitlists/ existing STHs, and I was told that tickets would be walk-up only for this season at least.

He explained that in part this was due to the timelines with construction, and the fact that ST packages were already enroute to the printers in February, and reading between the lines I think that at least some of these seats will be available for the 2011 season to STHs, but that for 2010 it would be walk-up.

[olegunnar]

So it seems to me and Parkdale's post might confirm some the rumours I've heard....

That the North End stand will be for those that buy a "membership" with the franchise.

Remember last year PB was on here asking what perks would go well with membership.
$50 and they could get a scarf, a plaque and a thing that says TFC fan club member etc. etc. AND the ability to buy seats in the North End. Sort of like STH have the ability to use the Ticket Exchange.

Sort of like the franchises own supporters group (which is why they would never walk out).

[Parkdale]

Shame, it could have been pure supporters over there with a little bit of time and coordination from the SG's and FO.


that's my whole point - why would FO want 'pure supporters' (who are a pain in the ass to deal with sometimes) when they could fill the seats with people who LOOK just like supporters, just without being part of an organized SG?

you're right that it will be good for visitors.

[Shaughno]

that's my whole point - why would FO want 'pure supporters' (who are a pain in the ass to deal with sometimes) when they could fill the seats with people who LOOK just like supporters, just without being part of an organized SG?

you're right that it will be good for visitors.


It would probably cut their number of complaints from the south/southeast/southwest areas of the field if you rounded up the majority of the supporters and put them all in one stand.... something that satisfies all parties involved from FO to walk-ups.

[Parkdale]

So it seems to me and Parkdale's post appears to confirm the rumours I've heard....

That the North End stand will be for those that buy a "membership" with the franchise.

Remember last year PB was on here asking what perks would go well with membership.
$50 and they could get a scarf, a plaque and a thing that says TFC fan club member etc. etc. AND the ability to buy seats in the North End. Sort of like STH have the ability to use the Ticket Exchange.

Sort of like the franchises own supporters group (which is why they would never walk out and bite the hand that feeds them).

that could fit in the theory pretty well.

there's one thing missing - none of the seats have gone on sale to anyone yet.

unless they think they can sell out 1200 seats (with memberships???) in the few weeks before the season starts....?
If that's not the plan, then it's already sold to a 'section sponsor' like carlsberg.

[Parkdale]

It would probably cut their number of complaints from the south/southeast/southwest areas of the field if you rounded up the majority of the supporters and put them all in one stand.... something that satisfies all parties involved from FO to walk-ups.

it would never satisfy everyone.

side story: I know guys with Argos SS and TFC SS, and they were against moving the argos to BMO simply because they had amazing seats at the Dome and no guarantee that their seats would be as good.

what if there was no way to guarantee that you'd be in row 6 or better of a new section? would you move?

I have row1 of my prawns seats, and I wouldn't move to anything less than, row 1.

[flatpicker]

I hate it when I when this forum depresses me.

[Parkdale]

I hate it when I when this forum depresses me.

it's monday morning, sunny at +12' out there.... and you don't have a desk job.

go outside, and your depression will be gone. :)

[olegunnar]

that could fit in the theory pretty well.

there's one thing missing - none of the seats have gone on sale to anyone yet.

unless they think they can sell out 1200 seats (with memberships???) in the few weeks before the season starts....?
If that's not the plan, then it's already sold to a 'section sponsor' like carlsberg.

I think (and this is just opinion/educated guesses) that the fan club thing was probably the plan, but the timing/delays?? (PB said seats are going in on April 10th) have forced things to plan B.

Maybe they'll roll out the "fan club" mid-season with the carrot that you get dibs on north end seats.
Sick of sitting around people that show up late, leave early, go to the concessions every 10 minutes and spend the game on their blackberry? Then pay us $50 and you can move from your section into our new fan club section ...that has beer sales at your seat during the game!....kind of thing.

Rather than having those people migrate from seats they don't like to SG that aren't 100% under their control (since you've mentioned thats an issue with the FO)...they get them.

[Dave67]

it's monday morning, sunny at +12' out there.... and you don't have a desk job.

go outside, and your depression will be gone. :)

and we have grass being installed

and we have a new stand being built which ultimately will at least get some extra supporters in the stadium somehow

and a new season could be getting ready to start

it's almost all good folks!

[Shaughno]

it would never satisfy everyone.

side story: I know guys with Argos SS and TFC SS, and they were against moving the argos to BMO simply because they had amazing seats at the Dome and no guarantee that their seats would be as good.

what if there was no way to guarantee that you'd be in row 6 or better of a new section? would you move?

I have row1 of my prawns seats, and I wouldn't move to anything less than, row 1.

Well, tbh, yes. But I would move my seats in 105. ;)

[Parkdale]

Rather than having those people migrate from seats they don't like to SG that aren't 100% under their control (since you've mentioned thats an issue with the FO)...they get them.


I don't know if that's an issue with the FO or not, but I do know it's a 'variable' and a good business plan tries to account for all the known variables.

the one other thing is that it would take extra work to manage the section. The SG sections take car of their own things now (banners, tifos, chants etc) and unless they are counting on having a 'crew' to run and manage things, then they won't happen. They can't expect people to organize (displays of ) support without some kind of (organized group) support

You know the former 'sprite zone' at the ACC? Well I could see the north stands becoming a kind of 'sprite zone' at BMO, but I'm not sure.

[Parkdale]

and we have grass being installed

and we have a new stand being built which ultimately will at least get some extra supporters in the stadium somehow

and a new season could be getting ready to start

it's almost all good folks!

oh believe me...... I'm very VERY positive about this season.
(I'm normally optimistic about things, but I feel great about this year).

and the north stands are about as far from 112 as you can get, so it really isn't going to effect me.





side note: Sunken benches will look amazing!!

the problem is that it looks like the sunken beches back right up to the stands, so any stadium staff walking around would have to walk in front of the bench, which is a BIG mistake.

[Parkdale]

^ don't worry, I saw that comment before you edited and LOL'ed. It was funny.

[jabbronies]

I say this stand is for group sales for year 1 and then TFC membership for year 2.

[Broadview]

I say they split it between visiting supporters and the rest for game day walkups.

A sizeable visitors section will amp up atmosphere for teams that bring numbers.

Make walk ups availible just so more people can catch the bug. If the same 30,000 are the only ones who ever get into a game the club will stagnate. I think this is evident by the dismal television ratings. Making converts is easy once you get them in there, but you gotta get them in there.

[Dbl_D]

And I almost forgot. Here is a shot of the surface out front of 113-115. It looks all ready for grass.


Thank you Maurice Edu.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4411611597_5c0391d494_b.jpg
why would they have our defense practicing on the dirt..? :D

[flatpicker]

^ nice try, but you're a little late with that joke ;)

[Parkdale]

I would LOVE to see half of it kept for visiting supporters, and then open 104 back up to Toronto people.

why do I care about visiting supporters in our stadium? Well it's good for the game, good for the league and more fun for us.

[bgnewf]

I would LOVE to see half of it kept for visiting supporters, and then open 104 back up to Toronto people.

why do I care about visiting supporters in our stadium? Well it's good for the game, good for the league and more fun for us.

+1 big time. Away support increases the quality of the game day ecperience for everybody. And it's good for the league and for the sport.

[Bluenose13]

I would LOVE to see half of it kept for visiting supporters, and then open 104 back up to Toronto people.

why do I care about visiting supporters in our stadium? Well it's good for the game, good for the league and more fun for us.Having away supporters at the top of 104 is a really bad idea......This would make a lot more sense.

[Parkdale]

yeah, because it's totally controlled AND a better place for them to be.
(mostly because putting visiting supporters in a section behind families is dumb)

[DichioTFC]

from a business perspective, i guess the reason for walk-ups is to enhance demand for the team and give a Blue Jays type of feel, tickets are available for last minute fans.

with greater capacity, they need to enhance demand without lowering the price. once they have enough season ticket holders to cover north end AND still have a waiting list (read: demand), then season ticket holders will have the freedom to move there. MLSE is banking on the fact that demand can be derived in one year of offering last minute tickets.

And think about it now, the north end has a DIRECT VIEW of RPB, U-Sec, Tribal Rhythm and they're right beside NEE... MLSE is perfectly marketing the TFC gameday atmosphere / experience

[olegunnar]

I would LOVE to see half of it kept for visiting supporters, and then open 104 back up to Toronto people.

why do I care about visiting supporters in our stadium? Well it's good for the game, good for the league and more fun for us.


Put a bench on the roof of the food building...and call it a visitor supporter section. Better yet...put TRN there too so visitors have to listen to them in their ear all game long.

The further away from the field the better

Kind of like what DC and NY does to us. It seemed to me too that NE purposely removed seats when we went there so that we were farther away...and basically a cement cliff away from the field.

Putting visitors nearer the beer garden (not to smart IMO), and closer to the field (where they can be seen and heard pretty easily)...isn't my personal preference...but I don't make that call.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life Da Da Da Da Daa Da Da

[Pigfynn]

from a business perspective, i guess the reason for walk-ups is to enhance demand for the team and give a Blue Jays type of feel, tickets are available for last minute fans.

with greater capacity, they need to enhance demand without lowering the price. once they have enough season ticket holders to cover north end AND still have a waiting list (read: demand), then season ticket holders will have the freedom to move there. MLSE is banking on the fact that demand can be derived in one year of offering last minute tickets.

And think about it now, the north end has a DIRECT VIEW of RPB, U-Sec, Tribal Rhythm and they're right beside NEE... MLSE is perfectly marketing the TFC gameday atmosphere / experience


Now if they could only figure out a way to give us trained chimps something to sing about eh?

[rocker]

one thing with walk ups -- if it works, it fills the stadium better than season's. why? well I've noticed in my section, guys don't always show up because they've already paid for the seat for the season. So if they miss a game cuz they don't care.. they'll leave the seat empty. With weekly walkups you have a much better correspondence between desire and attendance. I also agree with others in this thread who commented on the need to get more people in the stadium. We can't keep being so incestuous with selling season's tickets to the same hardcore fans over and over again. gotta get new people in to get that taste for TFC. Not everyone wants to go to 20 games a year at any price. When I was younger I loved the Jays but I never wanted to buy season's tickets.. didn't have the money nor the time. But I loved those special occasions when I'd get some Jays tickets and head down to the dome. It was a special day for me.. I'd then watch the rest of the games on TV.

[deltox]

a visitors section is perfect for the walk up sales section. seats that are not sold to away fans go to home fan walkups.

[Suds]

one thing with walk ups -- if it works, it fills the stadium better than season's. why? well I've noticed in my section, guys don't always show up because they've already paid for the seat for the season. So if they miss a game cuz they don't care.. they'll leave the seat empty. With weekly walkups you have a much better correspondence between desire and attendance. I also agree with others in this thread who commented on the need to get more people in the stadium. We can't keep being so incestuous with selling season's tickets to the same hardcore fans over and over again. gotta get new people in to get that taste for TFC. Not everyone wants to go to 20 games a year at any price. When I was younger I loved the Jays but I never wanted to buy season's tickets.. didn't have the money nor the time. But I loved those special occasions when I'd get some Jays tickets and head down to the dome. It was a special day for me.. I'd then watch the rest of the games on TV.

Yeah, and I can see these seats marketed in packages (ex. 4 games, 4 seats, 4 hot dogs & pops for $x.xx) to people who want to take in some games as a family but not put out the dosh for a whole season.

I'm also wondering how these extra seats may indirectly hit scalpers. If there are a fairly decent number of seats available each game day it must indirectly hit scalpers. I have no idea if it would be enough for some of them to drop tickets. But you never know.

[Carts]

Yeah, and I can see these seats marketed in packages (ex. 4 games, 4 seats, 4 hot dogs & pops for $x.xx) to people who want to take in some games as a family but not put out the dosh for a whole season.

I'm also wondering how these extra seats may indirectly hit scalpers. If there are a fairly decent number of seats available each game day it must indirectly hit scalpers. I have no idea if it would be enough for some of them to drop tickets. But you never know.

That's a good point...

If you're a father bringing your son to the game - you're dealing with the Scalpers on the street when there's a 1,200 tickets available at the gate...

Both for the fact you're not paying more coin, you also don't have to deal with fake tickets and dealing with aggressive, abrassive scalpers...

Carts...

[Parkdale]

I'm also wondering how these extra seats may indirectly hit scalpers.

scalpers were having a hard time with tickets towards the end of last season,
but there's really 2 issues at work with them:

a) make sure average people know when seats are available for walkups so they skip the scalpers.
b) scalpers probably make their entire profits off one or two games (beckham, RM etc). the rest are filler/

[Pigfynn]

scalpers were having a hard time with tickets towards the end of last season,
but there's really 2 issues at work with them:

a) make sure average people know when seats are available for walkups so they skip the scalpers.
b) scalpers probably make their entire profits off one or two games (beckham, RM etc). the rest are filler/


We can help with this :D

[SuperTCP]

That's a good point...

If you're a father bringing your son to the game - you're dealing with the Scalpers on the street when there's a 1,200 tickets available at the gate...

Both for the fact you're not paying more coin, you also don't have to deal with fake tickets and dealing with aggressive, abrassive scalpers...

Carts...


If it's a high demand game, what will deter the Scalpers from buying the walks up tickets and then selling them for a higher margin?

[SuperTCP]

one thing with walk ups -- if it works, it fills the stadium better than season's. why? well I've noticed in my section, guys don't always show up because they've already paid for the seat for the season. So if they miss a game cuz they don't care.. they'll leave the seat empty. With weekly walkups you have a much better correspondence between desire and attendance. I also agree with others in this thread who commented on the need to get more people in the stadium. We can't keep being so incestuous with selling season's tickets to the same hardcore fans over and over again. gotta get new people in to get that taste for TFC. Not everyone wants to go to 20 games a year at any price. When I was younger I loved the Jays but I never wanted to buy season's tickets.. didn't have the money nor the time. But I loved those special occasions when I'd get some Jays tickets and head down to the dome. It was a special day for me.. I'd then watch the rest of the games on TV.

I agree with your points, but I am a hardcore fan who would love to attend each game in person. But there are some games that I cannot attend, if thats the case I give away my tickets to friends who are dying to go or have never been. My seats are never empty. And when i do attend I always try to take someone new with me so they can enjoy gain the taste of TFC. So far it has worked becuase I have my own waiting list of 10+ friends who wish to split season tickets with me. So either way works season tickets or walk ins - still get new people inside.

[Antifa Bhoy]

Keeping the away fans in 104 is much easier for them to be secured. there is no way they are putting the away fans in the northstand with the types of seats they are putting in, as well as how close they will be to 127 (although i wish they would).

[rocker]

I give away my tickets to friends who are dying to go or have never been. My seats are never empty.

that's good... but I was just talking from my experience in 125. The dudes around me (8 buddies who own seats in front and on either side of us) don't really hand off their tickets to anyone. They either come or they leave the seats empty. It's pretty sad, considering there is ticket trader online. I swear the seats around me were empty for about 7-8 games last year. I was joking with my dad that we were on an island!

These dudes blew the money during renewal, so they don't care.. they already paid for the seat....

[thisisinternetclash]

Just one general point about the affect scalpers are having on potential fans: This is only anecdotal, but I'm familiar with quite a few people who simply don't go to games or really try to go to games who might have been casually interested in attending one or two a year because they understand that every match is sold out and aren't really prepared to go through any hoops to secure tickets. To be fair the club isn't shy about advertising how they sell out every match, either. It's just a shame that people seem to be turned away from going to a match while in reality there are so many empty seats.

[Steve]

one thing with walk ups -- if it works, it fills the stadium better than season's. why? well I've noticed in my section, guys don't always show up because they've already paid for the seat for the season. So if they miss a game cuz they don't care.. they'll leave the seat empty. With weekly walkups you have a much better correspondence between desire and attendance. I also agree with others in this thread who commented on the need to get more people in the stadium. We can't keep being so incestuous with selling season's tickets to the same hardcore fans over and over again. gotta get new people in to get that taste for TFC. Not everyone wants to go to 20 games a year at any price. When I was younger I loved the Jays but I never wanted to buy season's tickets.. didn't have the money nor the time. But I loved those special occasions when I'd get some Jays tickets and head down to the dome. It was a special day for me.. I'd then watch the rest of the games on TV.

One thing I'm wondering about the legality of is, what if, instead of the ticket trader (which doesn't always work to be fair) as a season ticket holder you could sell your ticket back to MLSE, who would sell it at the gate? That way there would be more tickets available for walkups, you could better reach the "non fan-club" people (who don't have access to ticket trader), and it's potentially a lot easier to get rid of your tickets (especially if the word got out that significant tickets would not be available for walkups).

Now, obviously MLSE wouldn't want to expose themselves to too much risk (and again, I'm not sure of the legality of it) so perhaps the tickets could still be sold through the ticket-trader but a few hours before the game would be frozen and the tickets reps at BMO would act as a facilitator of that transaction?

Anyway, just trying to think of ways to get those seats into the hands of the so called casuals, who aren't going to go on (or don't have access to) ticket trader, and still want to bring their kid to the game. That and a letter in the season ticket packages to let people know "if you can't go to the game, just do this and we'll credit your account", and you might see an increase in the ticket turnover (helping the casual fan who wants to see the game, and MLSE by giving them an additional source of revenue, increasing concession revenue, and keeping casual fans connected to a team that is hard to see).

[fetajr]

will row 1 of the north stand be right above the edge of the beer patio?...so if you're standing against the fence watching the game from the beer patio, will there be a roof over you?...from the pics it looks like the front of the stands will be a few meters back from the beer patio fence

[billyfly]

Where are the pics from today? I want daily updates.

[rocker]

will row 1 of the north stand be right above the edge of the beer patio?...so if you're standing against the fence watching the game from the beer patio, will there be a roof over you?...from the pics it looks like the front of the stands will be a few meters back from the beer patio fence

from the diagrams, it looks like the max edge you can stand at is right at the lip of the new stand. but there's still space in front of that where those tables were in the old configuration (where the wheelchair person is in the diagram below)... the old beer garden never went to the edge -- they had those temp fence things and in front of that was a walkway and tables. Not sure if they are gonna keep those tables, but I think they'd probably keep the little temp fences for crowd control and to have that walkway in front. so the first row of standing people would have the new stand as a "roof" over their head.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/bmoexpand1.jpg

[JonO]

Now, obviously MLSE wouldn't want to expose themselves to too much risk (and again, I'm not sure of the legality of it) so perhaps the tickets could still be sold through the ticket-trader but a few hours before the game would be frozen and the tickets reps at BMO would act as a facilitator of that transaction?

I am also not sure of any hidden implications, but I don't see why this couldn't happen. Ticket holders make their tickets available through ticket-trader and a few hour before the game those tickets are made available to the public through ticket reps at BMO. I don't even see a need for freezing them on ticket trader...

[Alixir]

I still can't understand the reasoning behind putting handicap seating behind the nets...it would be safer and they would get a better view around the side stands...plus they could fit more supporter seating behind the nets.

[boban]

I still can't understand the reasoning behind putting handicap seating behind the nets...it would be safer and they would get a better view around the side stands...plus they could fit more supporter seating behind the nets.
I agree.
But I would also say there is more than enough handicap seating around the ground as is. There are just swaths of empty concrete in those designated areas not being used and puts the seating further than necessary.

[drewski]

http://img708.yfrog.com/img708/151/x7e.jpg


Paulbeirne (http://twitter.com/Paulbeirne)
Red Patch Boys sticker on high steel = priceless! http://yfrog.com/jox7ej

[billyfly]

^Parky????

[Shaughno]

I wouldn't guess it was anyone else... LOL

[Chevy]

I still can't understand the reasoning behind putting handicap seating behind the nets...it would be safer and they would get a better view around the side stands...plus they could fit more supporter seating behind the nets.

Definitely safer. That dude in the wheelchair is in prime position for a beer pelting! Oh the shame...:facepalm:

[Parkdale]

^Parky????


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P346FNX08mE/SZo5s2m_PfI/AAAAAAAAA5o/_XOpoemiFgU/s320/Carl+Robinson.jpg


GOOOOAAAALLLLLLLLL

[Parkdale]

another photo from Paul

http://img697.yfrog.com/img697/3496/g62t.jpg

^ who gets a thumb in the photo these days? What kind of Kodak Instamatic camera is the guy using?

[Shaughno]

Sparky... I believe it's called 'fat fingers syndrome'.

[Parkdale]

or maybe there's someone SUPER AWESOME/CONTROVERSIAL that's he's trying to hide from us?

like.... A supporters gate / Cheerleader platform / t-shirt cannon installation ??????

[mlsintoronto]

Sparky... I believe it's called 'fat fingers syndrome'.

Dude - I'm in the room! I can hear you!

It is a condition known as "hotdog fingers". you guys are mean.

[BuSaPuNk]

The stand looks good. It looks like it will help atleast keep the sound inside the field a bit which will help.

[Shaughno]

Don't worry Paul... just don't mistake them for hotdogs and you should be fine. ;)

[drewski]

or maybe there's someone SUPER AWESOME/CONTROVERSIAL that's he's trying to hide from us?

like.... A supporters gate / Cheerleader platform / t-shirt cannon installation ??????


wayne rooney!? :D

[Sab0tage]

Anyone know when the expected completion date is?

[tfc88]

I still can't understand the reasoning behind putting handicap seating behind the nets...it would be safer and they would get a better view around the side stands...plus they could fit more supporter seating behind the nets.

I visited Old Trafford once and they have a huge section right behind the net opposite the Stretford end where they give plenty of free tickets to persons in wheelchairs. They could fit thousands more seats in there but they don't - they give one of the best seats in the house away to disabled people.

Any United fans want to comment here? (I don't really know that much about it)

[Joe Kool]

Anyone know when the expected completion date is?

I was there today having a looksie with my rep. I asked him the same question about everything being ready on time and he says they have assurances that everything is on schedule. I really like the feel with the north end now. Feels like a complete stadium. Neat that the beer garden still exists at the bottom too. Team dugouts looked good too. Should be great for sightlines for those lower on the west side.

[billyfly]

Will this be our Kop? Remember Kop means steep stands.

[bgnewf]

another photo from Paul

http://img697.yfrog.com/img697/3496/g62t.jpg

^ who gets a thumb in the photo these days? What kind of Kodak Instamatic camera is the guy using?

for those of us, like me, working behind a corporate firewall that does not allow twitter, can you repost 'em?

[rocker]

for those of us, like me, working behind a corporate firewall that does not allow twitter, can you repost 'em?

here you go

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/northstandnew2.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/northstandnew.jpg

[Shaughno]

Will this be our Kop? Remember Kop means steep stands.


It doesn't look as steep as the West stand... but I could be wrong.

[JonO]

Will this be our Kop? Remember Kop means steep stands.
Kop actually means "head" literally, or "hill" in the context it was taken from... I believe the initial "kops" were literally hills that the fans would gather on to watch the game... I guess these were eventually replaced by stands [wikipedia is awesome]

Today's afrikaans lesson was brought to you by Asuna

[rocker]

i just realized -- there's wood behind the goal area.. can't see it clearly. are they making permanent concrete foundations there for the 113 seats that will come down to field level? or is that just semi-permanent wood floors for the extra seats?

that's gonna be a really interesting area with 3 different locations of fans (high up stands, standing room at the beer garden, and then a few rows down to the field itself). I'd hate to be the opposition keeper there with fans right up your ass! The south end fans are not even that close.

[Red Rat]

another photo from Paul

http://img697.yfrog.com/img697/3496/g62t.jpg



I can see the north end full of seagulls waiting for worms as the grass gets water down, with no humans to bother them they will make good use of the stadium.

rr

[billyfly]

^Holy, dead on. Exhibition stadium revisited unless Bitchy comes to the rescue.

[billyfly]

It doesn't look as steep as the West stand... but I could be wrong.


You think it might be steeper? Don't think so.

[Parkdale]

the birds will stay the hell off our turf!!

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/willy.jpg

[Suds]

i just realized -- there's wood behind the goal area.. can't see it clearly. are they making permanent concrete foundations there for the 113 seats that will come down to field level? or is that just semi-permanent wood floors for the extra seats?

that's gonna be a really interesting area with 3 different locations of fans (high up stands, standing room at the beer garden, and then a few rows down to the field itself). I'd hate to be the opposition keeper there with fans right up your ass! The south end fans are not even that close.

I noticed that as well ... maybe someone on here who knows construction can comment, but it looks like concrete forms to me

[Red Rat]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/PhJD/bmoexpand1.jpg[/IMG]
is here in the blue print

[mlsintoronto]

I noticed that as well ... maybe someone on here who knows construction can comment, but it looks like concrete forms to me

yup - concrete forms for two rows down near the field. last season you saw 4 big signs - for 2010 it will be people.

[rocker]

I noticed that as well ... maybe someone on here who knows construction can comment, but it looks like concrete forms to me

if it's concrete, that's nice. looks better than the temp stuff they've put up in the past. the north end is gonna be like fricken frankenstein though, but in a good way.. hahah. very close seating in a variety of configurations.

[rocker]

who doesn't love looking at pipes for the grass heating system? from paul beirne:

http://img716.yfrog.com/img716/4959/7n6n.jpg

those pipes are gorgeous...

[flatpicker]

^ It's weird that a photo of pipes and gauges would get me excited about soccer.

[rocker]

reminds me of that classic David Wilcox tune....

sw8S_Kv89IU

[billyfly]

If it wasn't for Q107, that man would get no airtime.

DO THE BEARCAT!

[flatpicker]

^ ain't that the truth.

Man, Q107 really sucks.

Anyway... back to the pipes.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

lol no1 will c the north stand in person if they dont colse off the strike!

[boban]

lol no1 will c the north stand in person if they dont colse off the strike!
Proper english please.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

close*

[boban]

close*
I was not talking about the spelling mistake. Everyone makes those.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

so wtf u tlkin bout?

[boban]

so wtf u tlkin bout?
Cute.
Aren't you just a mature one.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

Cute.
Aren't you just a mature one.

what r u tlking about buddy ur starting shit cuz i didnt spell something properly ur the mature one! instead of worrying about how people type go get laid or somethin lol:facepalm:

[Stryker]

what r u tlking about buddy ur starting shit cuz i didnt spell something properly ur the mature one! fagget instead of worrying about how people type go get laid or somethin lol:facepalm:


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/demasterk/Funny%20Images/paddlin.jpg

[AL-MO]

Stop posting like you are having a MSN conversation might be what Boban is getting at.

[T.O TILL I DIE]

hes the one that started this lmaoo i didnt evn do anything
but were all supporting the same team here so lets get along.. go start shit with a colombus fan :)

[AL-MO]

Take this as a bit of advice don't use "r" "c" "ur" "no1" etc

If you want your posts on this board taken seriously.

It doesn't take much longer to type out the full word, and it is annoying to read the short forms.

[billyfly]

North stand people, the North Stand.

[billyfly]

So, back to my question from before. Should we refer to this as a Kop? Is it that steep?

[AL-MO]

I don't particularly want it referred to as a "Kop" for a variety of reasons.

[Red Rat]

I wouldn't mind seating there one day..

Me to keeper,,,, hey there do you want naked pictures of your girlfriend???

rr

[billyfly]

I don't particularly want it referred to as a "Kop" for a variety of reasons.


Bad memories of the Boer War, eh Alex?:D

[TOBOR !]

I don't particularly want it referred to as a "Kop" for a variety of reasons.

Agreed.

What about 'the Heights' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Queenston_Heights)?

[RealG-TFC]

Bad memories of the Boer War, eh Alex?:D

lol..

[JonO]

So, back to my question from before. Should we refer to this as a Kop? Is it that steep?
Pfft - billie just ignoring his linguistic lesson regarding steepness and kop

How about we call it Koppetjie? (which means little Kop)

[Shway]

or the Dichio Stand

[billyfly]

Pfft - billie just ignoring his linguistic lesson regarding steepness and kop

How about we call it Koppetjie? (which means little Kop)

I wiki'ed it. I know it doesn't literally mean "steep". People are just afraid to call it a kop b/c it probably ain't a true Kop (it was never a hill) and certain associations with certain teams...

[billyfly]

At the end of the day it will be called (Like Parkdale mentioned) the Pepsi Zone.

[mlsintoronto]

someone earlier in the thread asked about washrooms. This doesn't really help the south end except that maybe there will be a ripple effect:

For 2010 the north concourse will extend right up to the front door of the food building, and we will be opening the washrooms in the food building (excluding the games during the Ex).

That's 30 more opportunities to pee! If you are on the east or west side it will be worth the walk...you will be in and out in seconds.

[billyfly]

^Closing off the path to the Food Building during games is a great idea and makes a great atmosphere on game days/nights.

[Dave67]

That's 30 more opportunities to pee! If you are on the east or west side it will be worth the walk...you will be in and out in seconds.

That is a great idea. Does it effectively add more gates for entrance to the grounds? Instead of the North end entrance will there be two Northend entrances (one North East & one North West)?

[Suds]

someone earlier in the thread asked about washrooms. This doesn't really help the south end except that maybe there will be a ripple effect:

For 2010 the north concourse will extend right up to the front door of the food building, and we will be opening the washrooms in the food building (excluding the games during the Ex).

That's 30 more opportunities to pee! If you are on the east or west side it will be worth the walk...you will be in and out in seconds.

If I f could get some Tiny Tom Donuts in the food building too I'd be impressed. :idea:

[mlsintoronto]

That is a great idea. Does it effectively add more gates for entrance to the grounds? Instead of the North end entrance will there be two Northend entrances (one North East & one North West)?

Yes - Gate 1 has more lines / ticket scanners, and we'll put a new "Gate 5" on the northwest entrance.

[bgnewf]

Any thoughts Paul about reinstating beer service at our seats in the south end? And was suspending that service TFC's call or the Liquor Licensing people's?

[Detroit_TFC]

more gates = good move

by closing off the ends of the walkway between BMO and Food Bldg, I guess that means the large gate used for exiting will be left open. The congestion around that area will still be pretty bad, now worse with 1200 more people. I hope that the big merchandise booth between the gate and the stairs is moved.

[mlsintoronto]

Any thoughts Paul about reinstating beer service at our seats in the south end? And was suspending that service TFC's call or the Liquor Licensing people's?

not in the foreseeable future. i'll explain over that beer (you know, after the hug).

[JonO]

I wiki'ed it. I know it doesn't literally mean "steep". People are just afraid to call it a kop b/c it probably ain't a true Kop (it was never a hill) and certain associations with certain teams...
I'm just giving you grief.... :poke:

[Parkdale]

not in the foreseeable future. i'll explain over that beer (you know, after the hug).

man.... I chose the right time to give up beer drinking!

[flatpicker]

^ There is never a good time for giving up beer!

I think the trick is to stop drinking shitty beer.
That alone would help you minimize the amount you consume.

[Parkdale]

^ There is never a good time for giving up beer!

I think the trick is to stop drinking shitty beer.
That alone would help you minimize the amount you consume.

there's an old saying (I saw on a t-shirt of something):

"Life's to short to drink cheap wine".

then I saw an counter argument that made more sense:

'Life's to short to NOT to drink the cheap wine too"

anyway, north stand whoooooo

[olegunnar]

I miss gate 2

[deltox]

agreed^

[ecospice]

Yes - Gate 1 has more lines / ticket scanners, and we'll put a new "Gate 5" on the northwest entrance.

New Gate 5 = Best. News. Ever.

:flare:

[tovan]

Why call it a kop or the Dichio Stand? ... it should simply be the North Stand or North End. Given enough time the stand will develop a name on its own, unless MLSE sells naming rights to a sponsor or something...

[billyfly]

^North Stand Gate.

[James17930]

How about:

The Score Stand (under the scoreboard)

The Food Stand (near the Food Building)

The Stand Stand (it stands)

[Davenport]

Benches for sunken players ?
They'd better install a few of those......

[mastermixer]

^^ lol... well crafted.

[akoto]

I miss gate 2

Why was it closed? Never made sense to me. Massive line ups at every other gate and they leave an entrance unused.

[arbogast]

According to Wiki,

The South End is already considered a Kop (so lets give the north end aother name):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadia)

It's kinda wierd seing BMO Field in this list.

[tovan]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2658094049_176d18d679.jpg?v=0

Some of these would help make BMO into a proper football stadium. Then again, lets not spoil the players until they get the results that show they deserve to be pampered.

[Parkdale]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2658094049_176d18d679.jpg?v=0

Some of these would help make BMO into a proper football stadium. Then again, lets not spoil the players until they get the results that show they deserve to be pampered.


until they start winning games....

http://common1.csnimages.com/lf/1/hash/541/1677405/1/1.jpg

[fetajr]

http://www.boardgamebeast.com/images/toilet.gif

[jimiv]

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/picture.php?albumid=52&pictureid=2251

[Banjax]

http://i44.tinypic.com/288qhx.jpg
These for sure

No but really those Seats,Close the Corners, Roof and we are in business oh and a winning team would help

[deltox]

these sunken benches....will they have a new lower rain cover?

im assuming yes....right?

[Suds]

these sunken benches....will they have a new lower rain cover?

im assuming yes....right?

I believe that was the idea behind doing it. Club seats are right behind the benches and I think some people were saying their view was blocked at certain vantage points.

[Parkdale]

I believe that was the idea behind doing it. Club seats are right behind the benches and I think some people were saying their view was blocked at certain vantage points.

that was an issue.

the front few rows of 123 were blocked by the rain covers.
I would assume that people in 122 and 124 might also have views obstructed
if they were looking down the field. Either way, it's a big improvement.

and on closer inspection, there is indeed a path behind the sunken area for people to walk.

[drewski]

According to Wiki,

The South End is already considered a Kop (so lets give the north end aother name):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_%28stadia))

It's kinda wierd seing BMO Field in this list.


somebody didn't agree cause it ain't there now.

[rocker]

just got an email from TFC with construction updates...

http://a1253.g.akamai.net/f/1253/1122/1d/graphics.sdm3.com/MapleLeaf//uploads//TorontoFC/North%20End%202.JPG


http://a1253.g.akamai.net/f/1253/1122/1d/graphics.sdm3.com/MapleLeaf//uploads//TorontoFC/Dug%20Out%202.JPG

this is cool:
The new North stand will ... feature folding seats with cup holders.

ok, so it may not seem like a big deal, but the lack of cup holders has always annoyed me, particularly since they started removing caps from bottles. I can't count the number of times I've put the bottle down under my seat to hold my food and kicked it over by mistake when getting up.

email also says individual game sales for the new stand (not sure about other sections of the stadium?) will go on sale next week... STHs and list members will get a pre-sale.

[barca99]

somebody didn't agree cause it ain't there now.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadia)

That last bracket doesn't link for some reason... anyways, just click the link on the page

[Parkdale]

sorry TFC.... you're 10 days too late.

I wonder if the player trenches (can we call them that for good? Trenches for Benches)
ended up as part of the photos because so many people in here asked about it?

[canadian_bhoy]

TFC are doing a lot of things right with BMO. The player trenches will be really good for people on the west side. Having sat for a game in seats behind the TFC bench, I can say that this will be huge for fans.

Looks like the north stand is going to be single ticket which is also cool. Getting the public access to TFC is always good.

grass = also awesome.

all....we....need...now...is....a.....roof.

BTW - maybe paul can answer this - Are the players getting a bench or will it be those cool race car seats?

[mlsintoronto]

Not a bench. Regular black fold up seats. Unless Recarro steps up...!

[Canary Canuck]

You'd think Recaro would just give them away to football clubs considering it's great advertising for them. They still get their logo on the headrest that everyone sees when the camera points to the bench.

[Roogsy]

Not a bench. Regular black fold up seats. Unless Recarro steps up...!

You're joking right?

That's disappointing. Not that I was expecting the Recaro seats, we aren't United of course. But all this money being spent to bring up the professionalism at the stadium and the black fold up chairs is what we go with for the teams? It's pretty shocking.

[rocker]

we got video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCDLc_meEY&feature=player_embedded

wish they'd stop yappin and zoom in on the construction

[Parkdale]

You'd think Recaro would just give them away to football clubs considering it's great advertising for them. They still get their logo on the headrest that everyone sees when the camera points to the bench.

that's not good business. if teams like TFC are getting them for free... who the hell would be a paying customer?

[Canary Canuck]

that's not good business. if teams like TFC are getting them for free... who the hell would be a paying customer?

They're car seats! People buy them to put in their cars.

[jazzy]

all....we....need...now...is....a.....roof.

? all...we.... need....now ...is ...a.....TEAM..........aaaaaaaaaaaah

sorry just finished watching today's game.....interesting to see if those seats sell after games like the one just witnessed

[Jay P]

You'd think Recaro would just give them away to football clubs considering it's great advertising for them. They still get their logo on the headrest that everyone sees when the camera points to the bench.


They're car seats! People buy them to put in their cars.


some of the best car seats out there... recaros from the integra type r's go for 700-900 a pair.

if i kept my civic i would of loved to get a set of recaros for them

[troy1982]

If the black fold up seats are like the ones Red Bull Arena has, then i am happy with that.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/3b/fullj.20c24db166315286ab315932e71f93ae/20c24db166315286ab315932e71f93ae-getty-97755577ms020_new_york_red_.jpg

[drewski]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_%28stadia))

That last bracket doesn't link for some reason... anyways, just click the link on the page


oh, I got to the page, and there's no mention of BMO yesterday or now

[Parkdale]

They're car seats! People buy them to put in their cars.

yeah, but why the hell would they give them to a team like TFC?
they get the big internationals on board, and that's all the advertising they need.

not that I don't want to see something nice at BMO, but we're not a big tier club.

Hell.... they don't even really show our players bench on TV broadcasts. It's not worth it to a sponsor.

[Shaughno]

You're joking right?

That's disappointing. Not that I was expecting the Recaro seats, we aren't United of course. But all this money being spent to bring up the professionalism at the stadium and the black fold up chairs is what we go with for the teams? It's pretty shocking.


*cough* Audi... not Recaro.

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20091216/10/1846811453-16122009104653.jpg

[drewski]

*cough* Audi... not Recaro.

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20091216/10/1846811453-16122009104653.jpg


I hate to agree with the unnecessary shot given there are plenty of teams that use'em, but Audi is just a sponsor. They are Recaro's

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1073/527606830_1326cf73a2.jpg?v=0

[jaahuuu]

oh, I got to the page, and there's no mention of BMO yesterday or now
It was there yesterday afternoon. People keep editing the page, adding it back and removing it again.

Current (working) link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadia)
Version of page from yesterday afternoon http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spion_Kop_(stadia)&oldid=350440023

[Bluenose13]

*cough* Audi... not Recaro.

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20091216/10/1846811453-16122009104653.jpgStill Recaro seats but sponsored by Audi.

[Parkdale]

pfffttt..... yeah... what does Shags know about Manchester anyway?

:D

[Parkdale]

shags =

http://www.americanidolworship.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Punkd_logo.jpg

[Shaughno]

:rofl: bahaha nailed. That's payback in under 24 hours!

[Parkdale]

I was laying in wait.... ready to pounce!

[billyfly]

Drove by BMO and you can see the North Stand from the Gardiner and it looks cool. Unfinished but cool.

[Canary Canuck]

yeah, but why the hell would they give them to a team like TFC?
they get the big internationals on board, and that's all the advertising they need.

not that I don't want to see something nice at BMO, but we're not a big tier club.

Hell.... they don't even really show our players bench on TV broadcasts. It's not worth it to a sponsor.

Let's be realistic about how much this really costs Recaro. They retail for 700-900 a pair with a hefty mark-up. Assume it costs them 300/pair to produce. For about 20 chairs you need 10 pairs. You're giving $3000 worth of product as a one time sponsorship investment to have your chairs and logo front and centre for as long as they last. You spread that $3000 on an annual basis over the life of the chairs and compare that to what other sponsors are paying on an annual basis for signage. That's POCKET CHANGE!

[Parkdale]

Let's be realistic about how much this really costs Recaro. They retail for 700-900 a pair with a hefty mark-up. Assume it costs them 300/pair to produce. For about 20 chairs you need 10 pairs. You're giving $3000 worth of product as a one time sponsorship investment to have your chairs and logo front and centre for as long as they last. You spread that $3000 on an annual basis over the life of the chairs and compare that to what other sponsors are paying on an annual basis for signage. That's POCKET CHANGE!


you can argue it all you want, but the only way we'd get the chairs is if some car company paid for them, but they wouldn't come from the dealer directly. If they don't care about the Toronto market, it's not worth anything in the advertising for them.

It would be Hyndai presents.... or nothing.

[ecospice]

just got an email from TFC with construction updates...

this is cool:
The new North stand will ... feature folding seats with cup holders.

ok, so it may not seem like a big deal, but the lack of cup holders has always annoyed me, particularly since they started removing caps from bottles. I can't count the number of times I've put the bottle down under my seat to hold my food and kicked it over by mistake when getting up.

Substitute the word 'bottle' for '$14 large draft Carlsberg'...and you make a compelling argument for cup holders. Do they allow foam dome hats at BMO? :drinking:

[BuSaPuNk]

you can argue it all you want, but the only way we'd get the chairs is if some car company paid for them, but they wouldn't come from the dealer directly. If they don't care about the Toronto market, it's not worth anything in the advertising for them.

It would be Hyndai presents.... or nothing.

Don't you mean KIA parky??

[SuperTCP]

A few questions/concerns regarding the North End Seats

#1. I don't mind the idea of offering them as single ticket sales, so that more people can enjoy the game, but if so, why offer them to season seats holders etc first? How are the public or potential new fans to get their hands on these tickets?

Season Seat holders also include those Scalper bastards, so why give them 1st crack at it.

I thought these would have been offered as walk ups on game day.

#2. What Color Category will these fall under? They should fall under yellow given the location, but my guess is MLSE given the current demand will ask for more.

#3. I have my fingers crossed, hoping these seats will be offered as Season Tickets Seats next year, and if there are made exclusive for us supporters, even better.

[Parkdale]

Don't you mean KIA parky??

my mistake. I knew it was one of them.

[Parkdale]

oh yeah...... lots of new photos will be posted RIGHT HERE later today (after I get home)

[scooter]

Substitute the word 'bottle' for '$14 large draft Carlsberg'...and you make a compelling argument for cup holders. Do they allow foam dome hats at BMO? :drinking:

i hope the idea of cup holders is for beer

seems to me there was another post a couple of weeks ago saying beer may not be allowed in the stands this year

anyone know the truth ?

[menefreghista]

#3. I have my fingers crossed, hoping these seats will be offered as Season Tickets Seats next year, and if there are made exclusive for us supporters, even better.

I think they will be. Its just that they were approved too late to include this season.

I wonder how the sales of these seats will do if there is a strike. I'm betting not too well.

[Oldtimer]

i hope the idea of cup holders is for beer

seems to me there was another post a couple of weeks ago saying beer may not be allowed in the stands this year

anyone know the truth ?

That was already disproved as false. Paul B. confirmed it as false on the It's Called Football! podcast.