The Chad Barrett Experiment @ Left Back

[[NBF]]

I like propose this move considering that many players in the past have made decent moves from attacking roles to defensive roles. Jacob Lensky is one that comes to mind.

Considering that Chad Barrett has the tenacity and mobility that half of our defense lacks, it would be a good idea:)

I would also like to add that we already field Marvell Wynne at Right Back and he is not neccessarily a RB, but he does a decent job at marking and his effort is always good.

[TFC USA]

I also advocate playing Garcia at center forward because at least he put the ball in the net last season. :facepalm:

[ArmenJBX]

Barrett at left back huh? Could work. He's got the workrate and the movement for it, plus his crosses are alright. I don't know how good he is defensively, but it could work?

Still, I can't see this happening.

[zeelaw]

sorry mate,,, naw

[BakaGaijin]

I think if Barrett is moved to a new position.......it should be.........Left Out.

[tfc2007]

He works hiss ass off. With some simple coaching on defensive play I think this would work out.

[TFC USA]

Working your ass off doesn't necessarily correlate with good play.

[MUFC_Niagara]

Working your ass off doesn't necessarily correlate with good play.

It's the cornerstone of good play.

[druid]

:facepalm:

[[NBF]]

I think if Barrett is moved to a new position.......it should be.........Left Out.

Best quote ever:)

If there was a [quote] Hall Of Fame, this would be a candidate.:drum:

[barca99]

I think if Barrett is moved to a new position.......it should be.........Left Out.

Maybe he should be Left Back when TFC goes on road trips... :lol:

[TFCRegina]

I am for Barrett as Left Back, at least we know he won't score on anything.

[King Tut]

Move him to left bench..

[TFC USA]

With Wynne on the right bench?

Oh this thread is reaching levels of greatness.

[trane]

I am not against trying it. I am not sure he tackles well enough. But I am for trying to use him on a position that can use his relative pace and NOT STRIKER. I am not sure he has the tackling positional skills you need to play the position. But I am not against trying it.

[robert32]

Left Right Out

[Section 117]

I don't want to comment but I must. Chad is not a LB nor is he a winger. You can't just assume that players will adapt to a different position. Serioux was a perfect example. He was tough as nails yes, but to say he was quality CB is a stretch.

You can not expect players to perform well in postions they have never played before period. We tried that last couple of seasoms and it hasn't worked till now why keep trying?

He is a striker that is very streaky he lacks confidence the majority of the time and thinks too much. We knew that when we got him from the Fire. A lepoard doesn't change it's spots, but hopefully with coaching from Danny he will become a tad more consitent and think less and just play.

His goal against Montreal at home is a perfect examplet didn't think, he just hit the ball and what a beautiful goal it was.

[trane]

^ He is not a striker. That is one thing that he has proven. It is time to give up on that. It was time last year.

[Hitcho]

I don't know if this is supposed to be a joke (it's not bad if so), but if not then it's just stupid. Same goes for the poll options.

Let's play De Ro at left back. He's fast and has good movement and positioning and he'd be great at getting forward.

:facepalm:

[trane]

^ It is not the same, De Ro is succeding at his position. Barret is not. He has some qualities, and I am all for trying another position in which he may be able to use these qualities, it is up to the coach to decided what position that may be. But there is nothing wrong with trying him out in another position. Marshall used to be a striker, now by MLS standards he is a quality CB.

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

A better place to move Chad would be the stands.

[trane]

^ Ultimatly it may be, but he is under contract we need to try to use him.

[Redcoe15]

Anything that doesn't depend on TFC needing Barrett to score goals.

[trane]

^ A-fucking-greed

[Hitcho]

^ It is not the same, De Ro is succeding at his position. Barret is not. He has some qualities, and I am all for trying another position in which he may be able to use these qualities, it is up to the coach to decided what position that may be. But there is nothing wrong with trying him out in another position. Marshall used to be a striker, now by MLS standards he is a quality CB.

With respect, this is seriously flawed logic. The examples of players being switched successfully from one position to another (at least on a significant scale, such as forward to defender) are very rare, and where they have been successful it's probably because the switch was based on an assessment of the player's qualities and a determination that those qualities clearly pointed to trying the player in another role.

That's not the case with Barrett going to LB. I have not heard or read of anyone suggesting that Barrett is a great tackler, or tracks back well, or has a good eye for breaking up opposition moves or passes, etc. He works hard, okay I agree with that. But what else points to him being a good candidate for a role at LB? I mean he's not even left footed, and the fact that he's not a good finisher does not point to him being a good defender.

I just can't see anything to support this, and you have to think that Barrett would be against it too, which means he'd be uncommitted and disinterested in a role where there's often no-one to mop up after you. Playing wide up front instead of centrally up front is one thing. Playing at full back is quite another. He'd be lost. Does he have a background at college level of playing defensively? Because it's not a shift most players can just make mentally at this stage of their careers. You have to learn the nuances of a position as you learn the game and develop your positional and tactical appreciation. You can't just "become a defender" at 26 having spent your entire amateur and professional career as a striker.

If we tried this then he'd be out of position so often it would make Wynne look like a positional genius. He's also likely to panic or buckle under pressure and start giving away dangerous free kicks or penalties just because he's not used to dealing with being the last defender and how to respond. It would be suicide, and the OP seems to be suggesting that we try this when? In the opening game of the season?

[trane]

^ Forget about the LB, it is not the first place I would try him. As I stated I am not sure he is a good tackler in my first post, nor that he has the positional know how. ALthought I would be suprised that he was not at least just as proficient as Wynne at it. I did not suggest LB, but why not try. I would keep him and develop him at winger.

The logic is not flowed. It may end up not working. But again it is simple, if a player is not cutting it in one position, but you realize that he has attributes that may help him succed at another, you try him out there. TRY HIM OUT THERE. No play him there permanantly, but see what he gives you. If it works out, good for the team and good for the player. If if does not you GET RID OF HIM. As he is not cutting it either at the postiion that you have brought him in to play nor the new one.

[Hitcho]

Anything that doesn't depend on TFC needing Barrett to score goals.


^ A-fucking-greed

Well what's worse? Needing him to score goals or needing him to stop goals? I'd say the latter, by a huge margin.

I'm not suggesting we want to keep Barrett as our main striking option, but you cannot by extension suggest that he should play in defence instead, just for somewhere to put him.


^ Forget about the LB, it is not the first place I would try him. As I stated I am not sure he is a good tackler in my first post, nor that he has the positional know how. ALthought I would be suprised that he was not at least just as proficient as Wynne at it. I did not suggest LB, but why not try. I would keep him and develop him at winger.

The logic is not flowed. It may end up not working. But again it is simple, if a player is not cutting it in one position, but you realize that he has attributes that may help him succed at another, you try him out there. TRY HIM OUT THERE. No play him there permanantly, but see what he gives you. If it works out, good for the team and good for the player. If if does not you GET RID OF HIM. As he is not cutting it either at the postiion that you have brought him in to play nor the new one.

Well then why not "try" him in goal? There's nothing to suggest he'd be any good as a defender, so even "trying" LB is just ridiculous and asking for trouble.

As for left wing, he effectively played inside right for much of last season and at times he was quite useful with his hustle and cutting into the box, so he's basically been tried in that position and did an ok job for the team. Whether he could do the same at inside left I don't know - not sure I've seen enough of him using his left foot to comment, although that afct alone suggests he may not have much of a left foot. Still, that hasn't stopped players in the apst (Joe Cole, Ashley Young are both right footed as EPL examples), so the only downside is that he's likely to become a bit predictable for defendeers to play against if he constantly shies away from his left foot.

[trane]

^ Again I see him as a winger. But I do see why people would like him to see him tried in a more defensive role, due to his pace, work rate, and overall hustle. Those are good defensive attributes. Clearly positioning and tackling being the two biggest which I am not sure he had ( that is why I never brought up the LB opotion myself).

[Serb_Star]

We should ship him off to Denmark.

[trane]

[quote=Hitcho;914755]


Well then why not "try" him in goal? There's nothing to suggest he'd be any good as a defender, so even "trying" LB is just ridiculous and asking for trouble.

quote]


Because he has no attributes that would lead one to believe that he would be a good keeper. So why try him. Again LB is not my choice, nor is defence. All I am saying is that I can see why they may want to try him there.

[TFC USA]

Why not put Barrett as a GK? He's masterful at preventing goals that maybe he needs a try there!

[Wooster_TFC]

Because he has no attributes that would lead one to believe that he would be a good keeper. So why try him. Again LB is not my choice, nor is defence. All I am saying is that I can see why they may want to try him there.

Based on his pace, work rate, and hustle? (By the way, work rate and hustle are usually viewed as the same thing)

Then we should try Marvell at GK. He seems to be great with stopping the ball with his hands in the box!

[Pachuco]

Interesting concept. Who knows, I think it's worth a shot. I've seen him track back players when he was playing on the wing and doing a solid job. I still remember the time he tracked back against Drenthe when we were playing Real Madrid, they had a great battle going on for 5 mins of that game.

He'd probably also provide some width to the team as I could see him moving up and making Cafu like runs. (Yeah I know he's no Cafu, but it's the best way to describe it).

The more I think about it, the more I think it can work.

[Section 117]

Anybody who thinks that Barrett can be a LB is smoking some serious stuff.

Winger possibly LB not a bloody chance in hell.

I apologize if I offend anyone with this comment

[trane]

Based on his pace, work rate, and hustle? (By the way, work rate and hustle are usually viewed as the same thing)

Then we should try Marvell at GK. He seems to be great with stopping the ball with his hands in the box!

Again work rate usualy refers as I understand it to passe, tacles made ect. Hustle is an overall view, runs around get into position. ( To much running around in my view).

I did not suggest that he be mobed to LB, it was not my idea, but again, YES, but due to those attribute I can see how others may beleive that he should be tried out at that position.


I will not comment on the Marvell thing as it is simply a wise ass remark not discussion.

[trane]

Interesting concept. Who knows, I think it's worth a shot. I've seen him track back players when he was playing on the wing and doing a solid job. I still remember the time he tracked back against Drenthe when we were playing Real Madrid, they had a great battle going on for 5 mins of that game.

He'd probably also provide some width to the team as I could see him moving up and making Cafu like runs. (Yeah I know he's no Cafu, but it's the best way to describe it).

The more I think about it, the more I think it can work.

Well that is exaclty it, those are attributes that he may have.

[Davenport]

Left back ? Yes....left back at home.
He's fookin' crap.
Mind you, so are the usual left backs.

[Davenport]

Interesting concept. Who knows, I think it's worth a shot. I've seen him track back players when he was playing on the wing and doing a solid job. I still remember the time he tracked back against Drenthe when we were playing Real Madrid, they had a great battle going on for 5 mins of that game.

He'd probably also provide some width to the team as I could see him moving up and making Cafu like runs. (Yeah I know he's no Cafu, but it's the best way to describe it).

The more I think about it, the more I think it can work.

How can you honestly expect someone who can't play his usual position to play a specialist position ?!
He'd be completely lost (more than normal).

[Pachuco]

How can you honestly expect someone who can't play his usual position to play a specialist position ?!
He'd be completely lost (more than normal).

Barrett can play his position, he's actually pretty damn good at it. His positional awareness is actually very good. His only problem is he can't put the ball in the net. I don't think there's any doubt though that he knows how to make runs, he knows how to create chances and he's got a knack for being in the right place at the right time. If Barrett scored 20% of his shots you'd say he's the best striker in the MLS.

If you disagree with me then no problem, but if you don't, then I'm not sure how you can't see that his attributes (such as positional awareness, hussle, high work rate, strength) could lead to a converted defender. BTW - I don't know why the suggestion would be for him to move to LB, I'd rather see him on the right.

[TFC USA]

Yep, Barrett can do everything except the most important part. Which sucks.

[Blazer]

What is this, men’s beer league?!

[TOBOR !]

This thread is Nick Garcia.

[Wooster_TFC]

Again work rate usualy refers as I understand it to passe, tacles made ect. Hustle is an overall view, runs around get into position. ( To much running around in my view).

I did not suggest that he be mobed to LB, it was not my idea, but again, YES, but due to those attribute I can see how others may beleive that he should be tried out at that position.


I will not comment on the Marvell thing as it is simply a wise ass remark not discussion.

You are correct, the Marvell thing was supposed to be a joke.

But, let's be honest here. Fullback is not a position where work rate (see: working hard, hustle), and pace are paramount. They are definitely useful attributes to have, but positioning, marking, and anticipation (see: reading the game) are much more important for a fullback to have.

That said, I'm all for trying out Barrett in a full wide forward or support role.

[Yohan]

Barrett = next Jonathan Bornstein? lol

a bit too late to convert him to LB I think

[TorCanSoc]

I think if Barrett is moved to a new position.......it should be.........Left Out.

Awesome.
:D

[TFCtoMUFC]

He can't be any worse at Left Back then he is at Striker. Since MLSE also owns the Leafs why not let him center Kessel's line?

[ExiledRed]

What do you do when you discover he's crap at left back too? put him in goal? see if he can coach? make him captain, and see if that improves his 'confidence'?

Just fire the useless bastard, and get a real left back.

[jazzy]

He can't be any worse at Left Back then he is at Striker. Since MLSE also owns the Leafs why not let him center Kessel's line?

I'm getting so confused for this coming season, can you believe...we have no idea of our team and we are trying to find a use for our most dissappointing players of the past season, whom I legitimetly thought in no logical sensibilty would be back if we were to be in any way competitive.....:drinking:....if their aim is to increase beer sales.. brilliant!