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polak9pete
12-09-2009, 06:53 PM
So me and my buddy were talking about how in some sports players who play for Toronto teams who do poorly with Toronto end up leaving and becoming a huge success somewhere else like for example Chris Carpenter winning the CY Young with the Cardinals or Roger Clemens, then like Tracy McGrady with the Rockets etc etc..so i thought I'd check out what former TFC players have done since they left.

Maurice Edu 12 GP, 2 G (Rangers)
Andrew Boyens 36 GP, 0 G (Red Bulls)
Chris Pozniak 4 GP, 0 G (Chivas), 17 GP, 1 G (Vancouver), 26 GP, 1 G (Dundee FC)
Collin Samuel 42 GP, 10 G (St.Johnstone, won promotion to SPL)
Todd Dunivant 25 GP, 1 G (Los Angeles)
Andy Welsh 21 GP, 0 G (Blackpool), 56 GP, 1 G (Yeovil)
Tyrone Marshall 26 GP, 2 G (Seattle)
Jeff Cunningham 39 GP, 22 G (Dallas, golden boot 09)
Andrea Lombardo Played at York University, then some team from New Zealand
Ronnie O'Brien 28 GP, 4 G (San Jose), then played for Tacoma in PDL
Adam Braz 41 GP, 0 G (Montreal)
Miguel Canizalez unknown
Edson Buddle 62 GP, 25 G (Los Angeles)
Greg Sutton retired
Srdjan Djekanovic 7 GP for Vancouver, 10 GP for Montreal
Marco Reda 21 GP (Charleston), 16 GP, 2 G (Vancouver)
Kevin Goldthwaite 54 GP, 2 G (New York)
Alecko Eskandarian 17 GP, 1 G (Salt Lake), 18 GP, 6 G (Chivas), 3 GP, 2 G (LA)
Paulo Nagamura 73 GP, 8 G (Chivas)
Tyler Hemming 4 GP (Tampere Utd), 26 GP (Charleston)
Richard Mulrooney 65 GP, 1 G (Houston)
Conor Casey 60 GP, 29 G (Colorado)
David Monsalve Played for North York Astros, then FC Inter in Finland (7GP)
Hunter Freeman Start IK in Norway, 27 GP, 1 G
Julius James 8 GP, 0 G (Houston), 2 GP, 0 G (Minnesota on loan), 9 GP, 1 G (DC United)
Marco Velez 7 GP, 0 G (Puerto Rico)
Kevin Harmse Chivas, hasn't played a game yet
Rohan Ricketts a radio talk show I think? after a few failed trials in the UK
Tyler Rosenlund unknown
Jarrod Smith Seattle FC, injured all season
Johann Smith 5 GP, 0 G (Rijeka in Croatia)
Olivier Tebily retired I think?
Laurent Robert 6 GP, 0 G (Larissa in Greece)

So basically the only ones who have had major success were Jeff Cunningham this year, and perhaps Conor Casey scoring a ton of goals for Colorado. Notable mentions to Eskandrian if he's healthy as well as Edu in Scotland.

Any players I missed?

rocker
12-09-2009, 07:00 PM
interesting list.. some guys have gone on to big things, some have fallen off the face of the earth. haha.

so Cunty, Casey + Buddle combined for 76 goals in 161 games.. or a goal every 2.11 games after leaving a team that set records for goalless streaks.. wow. Just goes to show that these guys did have some scoring talent, but for whatever reason failed to show it here or weren't used probably or didn't spend enough time here (based on each guy's circumstance).

ensco
12-09-2009, 07:00 PM
O'Brien entry above is incorrect, he hasn't played since he left the Quakes, you're confusing him with this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciaran_O'Brien

I wonder if Ronnie O'Brien was on a guarantee and just sat out the year because he was getting paid. If yes, did it count against the cap?

I only point this out because the same could happen to us with Garcia or Guevara next year.

rocker
12-09-2009, 07:01 PM
i loved ronnie O ... wish we had him back.. but it seems he was pissed at MLS and San Jose and just took his ball and went home. Cuz he's still good enough and young enough to make decent coin in MLS.

jloome
12-09-2009, 07:03 PM
So me and my buddy were talking about how in some sports players who play for Toronto teams who do poorly with Toronto end up leaving and becoming a huge success somewhere else like for example Chris Carpenter winning the CY Young with the Cardinals or Roger Clemens, then like Tracy McGrady with the Rockets etc etc..so i thought I'd check out what former TFC players have done since they left.

Maurice Edu 12 GP, 2 G (Rangers)
Andrew Boyens 36 GP, 0 G (Red Bulls)
Chris Pozniak 4 GP, 0 G (Chivas), 17 GP, 1 G (Vancouver), 26 GP, 1 G (Dundee FC)
Collin Samuel 42 GP, 10 G (St.Johnstone, won promotion to SPL)
Todd Dunivant 25 GP, 1 G (Los Angeles)
Andy Welsh 21 GP, 0 G (Blackpool), 56 GP, 1 G (Yeovil)
Tyrone Marshall 26 GP, 2 G (Seattle)
Jeff Cunningham 39 GP, 22 G (Dallas, golden boot 09)
Andrea Lombardo Played at York University, then some team from New Zealand
Ronnie O'Brien 28 GP, 4 G (San Jose), then played for Tacoma in PDL
Adam Braz 41 GP, 0 G (Montreal)
Miguel Canizalez unknown
Edson Buddle 62 GP, 25 G (Los Angeles)
Greg Sutton retired
Srdjan Djekanovic 7 GP for Vancouver, 10 GP for Montreal
Marco Reda 21 GP (Charleston), 16 GP, 2 G (Vancouver)
Kevin Goldthwaite 54 GP, 2 G (New York)
Alecko Eskandarian 17 GP, 1 G (Salt Lake), 18 GP, 6 G (Chivas), 3 GP, 2 G (LA)
Paulo Nagamura 73 GP, 8 G (Chivas)
Tyler Hemming 4 GP (Tampere Utd), 26 GP (Charleston)
Richard Mulrooney 65 GP, 1 G (Houston)
Conor Casey 60 GP, 29 G (Colorado)
David Monsalve Played for North York Astros, then FC Inter in Finland (7GP)
Hunter Freeman Start IK in Norway, 27 GP, 1 G
Julius James 8 GP, 0 G (Houston), 2 GP, 0 G (Minnesota on loan), 9 GP, 1 G (DC United)
Marco Velez 7 GP, 0 G (Puerto Rico)
Kevin Harmse Chivas, hasn't played a game yet
Rohan Ricketts a radio talk show I think? after a few failed trials in the UK
Tyler Rosenlund unknown
Jarrod Smith Seattle FC, injured all season
Johann Smith 5 GP, 0 G (Rijeka in Croatia)
Olivier Tebily retired I think?
Laurent Robert 6 GP, 0 G (Larissa in Greece)

So basically the only ones who have had major success were Jeff Cunningham this year, and perhaps Conor Casey scoring a ton of goals for Colorado. Notable mentions to Eskandrian if he's healthy as well as Edu in Scotland.

Any players I missed?

Holy asking for a debate......

Unless you're talking about strikers, listing their goals and then tying that to their overall success is loopy. Paulo Nagamura, for example is a two-way midfielder. He's done pretty Well. AS have mulrooney, Hunter Freeman, Edson Buddle, Colin Samual, Kevin Goldthwaite.

In fact, on the strength of how we performed this year, our alumni would probably beat us:

---------------Sutton-----------------
Mulrooney--Marshall--Tebily--Dunivant

Freeman--Edu--Nagamura--Obrien

----------Casey--Cunningham---------------

Yeah, that team would probably beat us.

polak9pete
12-09-2009, 07:04 PM
oh my bad about Ronnie

and i forgot to mention Kenny Stamatapolous who played 17 games for two different teams in Norway. Also i found a list of guys who tried out for TFC in the first year I'm just tryin to find some their stats ill post them later on

ensco
12-09-2009, 07:08 PM
i loved ronnie O ... wish we had him back.. but it seems he was pissed at MLS and San Jose and just took his ball and went home. Cuz he's still good enough and young enough to make decent coin in MLS.

me too....we play on grass now...of course we don't need someone like Ronnie unless Guevara moves on, but if that happens....

polak9pete
12-09-2009, 07:24 PM
alrite some other interesting players

Hector Hurtado trialist from first preseason, 110 GP, 43 G in Peru after
Hunter West trialist, scored like 5 goals in 3 games for TFC in 07 preseason
Ivan Cadavieco unknown
Jon Busch 63 GP, (Chicago)
J.P Piques played for Montreal and Trois Rivieres
Xu Qing Chinese trialist from 2007, 8 GP 1 G this season in China
Dominique van Dijk trialist, 37 GP 6 G for Volendam
Michael McGlinchey trialist, 14 GP 1 G for Central Coast Mariners this season
Gregory Richardson 1 GP 0 G for Colorado, 12 GP 7 G for Carolina last year
Mike Grella draftee, 19 GP, 1 G for Leeds in league play, 3 G in cup play

from expansion draft
Danny O'Rourke 79 GP for Colombus
Jose Cancela 11 GP 1 G for Colorado, 38 GP 4 G over 2 years in Costa Rica
Nate Jaqua 10 GP 1 G (LA), 29 GP 10 G (Houston), 13 GP 5 G (Altach in Austria), 28 GP 8 G (Seattle)
Ritchie Kotschau 20 GP 0 G (Salt Lake)
Will Hesmer 68 GP for Colombus
Jason Kreis now coach for Salt Lake
Tim Regan 3 GP 0 G (New York), played for TFC on loan once more
Rod Dyachenko traded back to DC after Expansion draft, 32 GP 1 G (DC), 27 GP 2 G (Minnesota)

I'd say Jaqua has done some good for himself as well has Hesmer

werewolf
12-09-2009, 07:28 PM
Andrew Boyens & Jarrod Smith - 2010 World Cup.

FluSH
12-09-2009, 07:45 PM
John Carver?

prizby
12-09-2009, 08:06 PM
i know you mentioned edsun buddle, but i think he deserves mentioning as someone who has done well...25 goals in 62 games, i think we'd be happy with that production!


as for lombardo...i remember someone saying that New Zealand thing has the wrong lombardo tagged in it.

Lombardo's last game with York was when York was #4 in CIS, #1 seed in OUA west and he was red carded in the OUA quarter finals (OUA west semis)...what I learned recently was (due to York losing to #6 seed Western, who had a losing regular season record), Lombardo was upset at something and from what I have been told he (and a teammate) at some point attacked the ref...I have yet to find out whether this is true or not

ensco
12-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Hard to believe we waived Jon Busch in our first training camp.

It's incredible the talent that passed through here in 2007. We should have won the MLS Cup that year!

ensco
12-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Remember this guy? He's actually got a bit of a career going...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_Ibrahim

james
12-09-2009, 08:26 PM
there is no real life after TFC!!! :scarf::flare::D

Ossington Mental Youth
12-09-2009, 08:41 PM
Cant say i think we missed out on Buddle, take a look at his season last year (id put good money it doesnt look any different next year, yes i know he was injured).

Same thing for Obrien, he wanted to go and he was regularly injured. We definitely need a player like him, we just dont need him.

Kinda wish we had seen more from Abbe Ibrahim, such a rich youth pedigree

menefreghista
12-09-2009, 08:51 PM
Just to add my 2 cents:

Andrea Lombardo - As prizby mentioned above, Lombardo never played in New Zealand. There is/was a mix up based on the fact some team in New Zealand has a player with the same name. The TFC Lombardo definitely did play for York U. this past season.

Canizalez plays for SC Bonner, in Germany's 5th tier - http://bonner-sc.de/teams/1mannschaft/canizalezmaycoll.html

Jarrod Smith is a free agent after being released by Seattle in the middle of the season.

SilverSamurai
12-09-2009, 08:52 PM
Not a bad list, but I think you're downplaying the success of Monsalve.
He won a championship with his club and I think they made it to a qualifying stage for the UEFA competition.

"On 31 October 2009, Monsalve got to lift the Finnish Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Cup) trophy for the first time in his club's (FC Inter Turku) history. Monsalve played the whole match in goal when his team beat Tampere United (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere_United) 1 - 2.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Monsalve#cite_note-3)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Monsalve

Troll
12-09-2009, 09:14 PM
So me and my buddy were talking about how in some sports players who play for Toronto teams who do poorly with Toronto end up leaving and becoming a huge success somewhere else like for example Chris Carpenter winning the CY Young with the Cardinals or Roger Clemens, then like Tracy McGrady with the Rockets etc etc..


Chris Carpenter is a good example, but Clemons, not so much.

In 1997 he signed with the Toronto Blue Jays In each of his two seasons with the Blue Jays Clemens won the pitching triple crown(leading the league in wins, ERA, and strikeouts) and a Cy Young Award.

Blizzard
12-09-2009, 09:18 PM
Just to add my 2 cents:

Andrea Lombardo - As prizby mentioned above, Lombardo never played in New Zealand. There is/was a mix up based on the fact some team in New Zealand has a player with the same name. The TFC Lombardo definitely did play for York U. this past season.

Thanks for mentioning this. A few people have pointed this out but Lombardo in NZ seemed to become an accepted fact.


Jarrod Smith is a free agent after being released by Seattle in the middle of the season.

.... and is apparently in rehab after undergoing knee surgery.

Cashcleaner
12-09-2009, 09:50 PM
^ That's funny, because this is the first time I've heard of Lombardo having anything to do with New Zealand. :D

Think he might ever come back to TFC? Gotta admit, and this has nothing to do with his level of talent, but talking to him at one of the pub crawls was great!

TheRenter
12-09-2009, 09:59 PM
fyi, mcgrady has done next to f'all since leaving the raptors...supposedly he isn't well liked by his teammates in houston also

just wanted to clear that up, along w/ clemens; as he was a winner before coming to/leaving from t.o.

Brooker
12-10-2009, 02:11 AM
I read that Laurent Robert is trying to persuade Newcastle United to give him another shot...

Best of luck to him. He should have never left so early. If only we had a winger like him for next year.... god.

jloome
12-10-2009, 03:51 AM
Yeah, best winger we ever had by a long stretch. Even when he started disappearing in the first half, every cross was bang on the money, most of his corners too.

Cunningham training with Auxerre:
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1679/us-national-team/2009/12/08/1675541/jeff-cunningham-training-with-auxerre

redtfcred
12-15-2009, 09:54 AM
i loved ronnie O ... wish we had him back.. but it seems he was pissed at MLS and San Jose and just took his ball and went home. Cuz he's still good enough and young enough to make decent coin in MLS.


Haha found this on usector last nite..>>>

http://www.youtube.com/user/ourtfc#p/a/u/0/OemBVS7gIs0

JonO
12-15-2009, 10:00 AM
Yeah, best winger we ever had by a long stretch. Even when he started disappearing in the first half, every cross was bang on the money, most of his corners too.

Meh - he may have been the best potential winger, but when the players tell you that playing with him on the pitch was like playing with 10 men, I have to question your assessment...

jloome
12-15-2009, 02:40 PM
Meh - he may have been the best potential winger, but when the players tell you that playing with him on the pitch was like playing with 10 men, I have to question your assessment...

Why would you assume they have a better handle on tactical positioning that Laurent Robert, becuase that's what that statement assumes. Maybe it was like having 10 people on the pitch because (a) if you were on a soccer pitch, you'd be the 11th man, so you're always playing with 10 men (sorry, but that's kinda funny. Kinda.) (b) He was routinely the only guy actually in the right position. If you're two steps ahead of everyone else, you'r egoing to get frustrated very quickly. For other examples see: Campbell, Sol at Notts County.

JonO
12-15-2009, 02:50 PM
Wow - we must have watched a different guy play. His piss-poor attitude on the pitch more than outweighed his natural talent... You disagree - that's fine. Like I said, I'm basing my opinion on what I was told by other players....

(oh and general tidbit - if you have to explain the joke then it's probably not that funny ;) )

Hitcho
12-15-2009, 05:16 PM
^ haha, when a patent agent starts lecturing you on humour, you knwo you're in trouble! :D:D:D

(Sorry JonO, had to do it mate!)

As for Robert, whether his positioning was ahead of or behind his team mates probably isn't why they felt like they were playing with ten men. The bottom line is Robert just didn't try when he was playing for us. Apart from his free kick which he got lucky with, my abiding memory of him in a TFC shirt is throwing his arms up in the air and wandering slowly back down the pitch. Total waste of his talent - he could have been a major star in MLS if he had bothered to break sweat.