STEVE NICOL : future coach of TFC Appreciation thread

[Technorgasm]

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Career details and honours
* Ayr United F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Flag_of_Scotland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) 1979-1981

70 league appearances, 7 league goals
* Liverpool F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1981-1995

468 appearances, 46 goals


Division 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Division_1) (Level 1): 1984, 1986, 1988, 1990
European Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League): 1984
FA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup): 1986, 1989, 1992
Screen Sport Super Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Sport_Super_Cup): 1986
Charity Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_Shield): 1986 (shared), 1989
FWA Footballer of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Writers%27_Association_Footballer_of_the_ Year) 1989
Runner-up

Charity Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_Shield): 1984, 1985
Intercontinental Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Intercontinental_Cup): 1984
European Super Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Super_Cup): 1984, 1985
Division 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Division_1) (Level 1): 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
European Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League): 1985
League Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Cup) 1987
FA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup): 1988
* Notts County F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1995

32 league appearances
* Sheffield Wednesday F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1995-1998

49 league appearances
* West Bromwich Albion F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)

9 appearances (on loan from Sheffield Wednesday)
* Boston Bulldogs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 2000-2001
* New England Revolution http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 1999 & 2002-Present

US Open Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Open_Cup) 2007
MLS Coach of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Coach_of_the_Year_Award) 2002
MLS Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Cup) Runner-up: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
North American SuperLiga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_SuperLiga) 2008

[Detroit_TFC]

I wouldn't say no.

[Batman]

this would be the man.

[VPjr]

He would be an excellent candidate for the entire job (coach and player personnel). I assure you this man doesn't need Mo doing any handy work for him (i.e. inserting knife in back, twisting, etc...)

[tfcleeds]

He gets my vote.

[canadian_bhoy]

It's Nicol or bust.
I'll be so pissed if they bring in Frank Yallop. He's a hack who only gets thought of around these parts because he's Canadian.

Mo said last year during the All-star game that before he hired Carver, Nicol was his #1 choice but the timing wasn't right. I think it is right now. All this "we haven't talked to anyone" is BS, I'm sure Mo wants Nicol and wouldn't be surprised to see it happen soon after the revs get bumped out of the playoffs.

Also note that Mo said in the press conference "we wanted JC here for 2 or three years". I.E. JC was brought in because Nicol was under contract and when his contract was up, he was coming here.

If it's an MLS guy and is anyone other than Nicol, I'll be pissed.

[Phil]

I would love to see him here but he still has 2 years on that contract with NE no?

[Nodoubtguy]

Once NER gets bumped by the Fire, I think this could happen quickly

[Carts]

All the international accomplishments are great, but this is why I want Nicol...

New England Revolution http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 1999 & 2002-Present
US Open Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Open_Cup) 2007
MLS Coach of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Coach_of_the_Year_Award) 2002
MLS Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Cup) Runner-up: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
North American SuperLiga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_SuperLiga) 2008

This is what we need... Proven MLS experience, Proven winner in the MLS...

Carts...

[Technorgasm]

He would be an excellent candidate for the entire job (coach and player personnel). I assure you this man doesn't need Mo doing any handy work for him (i.e. inserting knife in back, twisting, etc...)


NAIL. . . MEET HEAD.

fiurst step nicol - coach. .

next step. . Nicol - Coach AND gm


believe

[Shaughno]

Good luck with that Techno. It's gonna take more than a crowbar to get Mo out of his seat...

[canadian_bhoy]

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[tfcleeds]

That was what I was thinking too. Step one - hire Nicol as manager. Step 2 - sack Mo, and give Nicol GM duties as well. But has Nicol had any GM experience? Or is that his current position with NER?

And in terms of having connections, I'm sure Nicol is just as strong in that area as Mo is, if not more so...

[Shaughno]

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Seperated at birth? :lol:

[Broadview]

I would love to see him here but he still has 2 years on that contract with NE no?

That's been my understanding and is what comes to mind everytime I hear this.

How does MLSE get around this? Throw a ton of cash Kraft's way? Is it a combination of players, picks, allocation? How much would we give up? Can you even do this kind of thing in MLS? I've never heard of it but I've only been paying attention the last three of years.

[maninb]

So the FACT that Nicol said earlier this year to James Sharman on the SCORE Footy Show, after Carver left that "he would NEVER want to coach in to Toronto without having TOTAL CONTROL of player/personel decisions" seems to be ignored here....I doubt Mo would give up that responsibility...don't you?

[Shaughno]

So the FACT that Nicol said earlier this year to James Sharman on the SCORE Footy Show, after Carver left that "he would NEVER want to coach in to Toronto without having TOTAL CONTROL of player/personel decisions" seems to be ignored here....I doubt Mo would give up that responsibility...don't you?

Did you miss my post entirely? :lol:


Good luck with that Techno. It's gonna take more than a crowbar to get Mo out of his seat...

[TFC Cityboy]

Can you see Nicol being Mo's lacky?
Love to see Nicol here, but the management structure would need to change, and Mo isn't letting go of that nice fat MLSE paycheck anytime soon.

[STB]

Seperated at birth? :lol:

Yeah all scots look alike, didnt ya know !!! :D

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

This thread kind of gives new meaning to the expression "jumping the gun..."

[canadian_bhoy]

No reason why Mo couldn't be "director of soccer" and Nicol be the General Manager and Head Coach.

[mastermixer]

Can you see Nicol being Mo's lacky?
Love to see Nicol here, but the management structure would need to change, and Mo isn't letting go of that nice fat MLSE paycheck anytime soon.

That's why you will see another nobody become coach of this team next year until Mo quits for not making playoffs again in 2010.
TFC in playoffs 2011 book it! :facepalm:

[Beach_Red]

Good luck with that Techno. It's gonna take more than a crowbar to get Mo out of his seat...


Or a promotion.

What exactly does Anselmi do? MLSE is full of vice presidents and suits - one of them is going to be the VP of soccer, or the director of sccer or whatever they call it, could be anyone, might as well be someone who played the game.

Look, if you wanted to keep your job, why wouldn't you hand over the team to someone you thought could actually be successful with it.

In fact, it would probably be good for a coach-GM to have some kind of a buffer between himself and MLSE - MLSE isn't Kraft after all and they don't run their business the same way.

Hey, people here demanded a DP, demanded grass, demanded DeRo, demanded bigger friendly opponents, demanded Dichio be given a job - MLSE screwed up the delivery on a lot of that, but they responded in their clumsy corporate way.

This could work, too.

[ManUtd4ever]

No reason why Mo couldn't be "director of soccer" and Nicol be the General Manager and Head Coach.

My thoughts exactly...they are good friends off the pitch, and obviously Mo would hire Nicol based on Nicol's terms or Nicol won't accept the offer. A coach with his pedigree would have a substantial impact with the club. I'll keep my fingers crossed....

[S_D]

Good luck with that Techno. It's gonna take more than a crowbar to get Mo out of his seat...

So true. As someone mentioned elsewhere last week, does anyone honestly think any MLS team would hire him after he has messed up so bad? He is going to hold on this gig for as long as he can and will throw anyone under the bus to do it. It is one of the reasons why I fear we will never see Nicol here. Too big of a threat to his job.


No reason why Mo couldn't be "director of soccer" and Nicol be the General Manager and Head Coach.

And then what would Mo do lol? Twiddle his thumbs and sit at the draft table once a year to look good since Nicol would be making the decisions? Promote Mo to umm I don't know, MLS director of scouting or something? Just get him out of here :)

[SoccMan]

The only way this happens is Mo has to go for Nicol to come in. I can't believe people still think a guy like Nicol will come with Mo still here, sometimes I just have to wonder about some people on this forum. Stop wasting your time, it's vey simple I repeat, Nicol will only come here if Mo is gone end of story. Nicol has a great reputation in this league, do you realy think he wants to throw it all away and come to work with or for an imcompetent guy like Mo, come on people!

[Beach_Red]

The only way this happens is Mo has to go for Nicol to come in. I can't believe people still think a guy like Nicol will come with Mo still here, sometimes I just have to wonder about some people on this forum. Stop wasting your time, it's vey simple I repeat, Nicol will only come here if Mo is gone end of story. Nicol has a great reputation in this league, do you realy think he wants to throw it all away and come to work with or for an imcompetent guy like Mo, come on people!


Will he come and work for the incompetent boobs at MLSE? How much of his success has been because of the ownership at New England? They also won a couple of Super Bowls, remember, so they have some idea what they're doing.

[Damien]

I REALLY hope they bring Nicol in... however, I have a feeling they'll end up bringing in Yallop... Mo will say something along the lines of "well he has national team coaching experience yadda yadda yadda".

[canadian_bhoy]

I don't see how this club can gain credibility on an international level by emulating a team that has qualified for the WC finals once and never scored a goal.

Yallop is not what TFC needs

[SoccMan]

I agree, however, with Mo in charge a guy like Yallop is what we are going to get.

[Technorgasm]

Fro a coach with his history. . . special consessions will be made.. Mo or no Mo.
HE wants him.
I want him to lead our squad.

BELIEVE

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Wishful thinking, it aint gonna happen.
Im not even sure I want Yallop here if Mos in control.
Sigh.
Ive become what i spurned so many times in the past and they were right

[olegunnar]

No reason why Mo couldn't be "director of soccer" and Nicol be the General Manager and Head Coach.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the angle Mo takes. After all it'd be yet another promotion after a dismal failure.

Similar to after our record setting (for all the wrong reasons) first year, after which he promoted himself.

Slowly slithering up the ladder and away from accountability.

[drewski]

given they both live in Boston, maybe MLSE could arrange a "chance" meeting between him and Burke, who could tell him how "wonderful" working for MLSE can be

[wzhxvy]

This is not going to happen. Lets keep dreaming.

[TFC Cityboy]

Hey, people here demanded a DP, demanded grass, demanded DeRo, demanded bigger friendly opponents, demanded Dichio be given a job - MLSE screwed up the delivery on a lot of that, but they responded in their clumsy corporate way.

This could work, too.
...and we have a big-ass banner we can flip over to read
"TIME TO GO, MO"

[Globetrotter]

Should everyone bombard their rep and general email inbox with requests to not hire Yallop?

Dont say "hire so and so", just say "please no Yallop".

[Beach_Red]

This is not going to happen. Lets keep dreaming.

We could have quite a list of things people here said would never happen that happened.

Unfortunately the list would include winning in Montreal by five and losing in New York, but still ;), it would also have grass and a DP.

Now, maybe if people had demanded a specific DP that was actually available (affordable and not under contract) that MLSE agreee with, that's who they would have signed. As it is, I seem to remember a lot of people quite keen on the one we got.

So, if you guys have decided Nicol is the guy he certainly fits the bill as far as MLSE is concerned, so a nice loud demand might actually be met.

Of course, Kraft is a good owner, and at least in the NFL a winner, and MLSE is, well, MLSE, but really you never know.

[Blizzard]

My thoughts exactly...they are good friends off the pitch, and obviously Mo would hire Nicol based on Nicol's terms or Nicol won't accept the offer. A coach with his pedigree would have a substantial impact with the club. I'll keep my fingers crossed....

My thoughts exactly ..... too!

[Rudi]

How much of his success has been because of the ownership at New England?
None.

Nicol's success is in spite of the Revs ownership, not because of it. Talk to any Revs fan and they'll tell you the same.

[wzhxvy]

We could have quite a list of things people here said would never happen that happened.

Unfortunately the list would include winning in Montreal by five and losing in New York, but still ;), it would also have grass and a DP.

Now, maybe if people had demanded a specific DP that was actually available (affordable and not under contract) that MLSE agreee with, that's who they would have signed. As it is, I seem to remember a lot of people quite keen on the one we got.

So, if you guys have decided Nicol is the guy he certainly fits the bill as far as MLSE is concerned, so a nice loud demand might actually be met.

Of course, Kraft is a good owner, and at least in the NFL a winner, and MLSE is, well, MLSE, but really you never know.

Why would this guy who I am sure thinks he is heads and shoulders better than MO come here to work for him. I dont know him but my sense is that his ego is healthy...which is good,but also means that unless Mo is willing to pay him more than he gets paid himself (which isnt going to happen), then he aint coming.

The first part of the solution is to axe Mo. That will really open up the field as to who we can bring. Unless that happens we will be stuck with underqualified people or retreads

[Beach_Red]

None.

Nicol's success is in spite of the Revs ownership, not because of it. Talk to any Revs fan and they'll tell you the same.

The fans may not be the best source, they may be too invested and not completely objective. What the evidence shows is that the same ownership has won in the NFL, which is a more competitive league than MLS - where, just to be picky, the Revs have never actually won the Cup. Perhaps better ownership would have been the difference, who really knows?

Still, it's true the ownership's best trait may be that after the Pats the Revs are really and afterthought whereas MLSE sees TFC as being a important (profitable) part of the company so they get too involved.

Do they still play on an NFL field in NE? Toronto might be looking good.

[Lucky Strike]

None.

Nicol's success is in spite of the Revs ownership, not because of it. Talk to any Revs fan and they'll tell you the same.

Yes, the Krafts are apparently very cheap so a big offer could lure him despite Mo lurking in the shadows here.

Honestly, there is no cap in infrastructure and coaching staff, we should take advantage of it. Dangle a big enough suitcase full of money in front of Nicol and he may bite.

You know the saying: money talks, bullshit walks. It couldn't hurt to try and apply what it has to teach us.

[Beach_Red]

Why would this guy who I am sure thinks he is heads and shoulders better than MO come here to work for him. I dont know him but my sense is that his ego is healthy...which is good,but also means that unless Mo is willing to pay him more than he gets paid himself (which isnt going to happen), then he aint coming.

The first part of the solution is to axe Mo. That will really open up the field as to who we can bring. Unless that happens we will be stuck with underqualified people or retreads


Who is "we" in your example? Some suit at MLSE that he'll have to report to, right? Certainly they'll make him "promises," like they do to everyone else...

This is all speculation and hard to follow, but some people here say Mo and Nicol are friends. Some people here say the New England ownership is terrible. Some say the opposite.

Besides, we've all worked for someone we think we're head and shoulders better than, haven't we? ;)

[jloome]

The only way this happens is Mo has to go for Nicol to come in. I can't believe people still think a guy like Nicol will come with Mo still here, sometimes I just have to wonder about some people on this forum. Stop wasting your time, it's vey simple I repeat, Nicol will only come here if Mo is gone end of story. Nicol has a great reputation in this league, do you realy think he wants to throw it all away and come to work with or for an imcompetent guy like Mo, come on people!

I'm not sure why he'd come at all, except for the football lines. If he's going to move, I'd expect him to try a step up. That's how footballers' minds work, it's the challenge. Making Toronto a winning franchise isn't going to do it.

People here have such self-love. Big cities are big cities. Why would he'd pick Toronto over Boston, short of an unusually large chunk of cash?

[brad]

Here's the thing, dangle a bag in front of Nicol, he might come, but he will fail as long as his hands are tied and Mo is calling the shots. I have my doubts that anyone would succeed in this role as it stands now.

The big question for me is where Mo's ego stands in all of this. Bringing in a caliber coach and removing,shackles and letting them manage is probably what would save Mo's job/reputation. Continued meddling in the background is going to doom us to failure. Can he actually see that he's a big part of the problem the things are being run now?

[Beach_Red]

I'm not sure why he'd come at all, except for the football lines. If he's going to move, I'd expect him to try a step up. That's how footballers' minds work, it's the challenge. Making Toronto a winning franchise isn't going to do it.

People here have such self-love. Big cities are big cities. Why would he'd pick Toronto over Boston, short of an unusually large chunk of cash?


Well, it's true, MLSE can't even lure a hockey guy and there's more truth to Toronto being a move "up" for most in that sport (I'm not a big Brian Burke fan, but at least he won one Cup. Still, look how long it took them to get him and look at the rumours of who turned down the job over the years).

Sigh. Toronto.

[koryo]

Good luck with that Techno. It's gonna take more than a crowbar to get Mo out of his seat...

If you want rid of a cancer, you don't use a butter knife do you?

[trane]

I am not sure about Nicol. I mean I think it would be great to have him, but I am not sure he is the ONLY choice. However, a bigger concern of which this thread reminded me what manager with a record, would want to come here while Mo still controls the team? I would suspect that not many would.

[Technorgasm]

Schmidt left a championship winning side for a promissing expansion team. . . .

just sayin.

NICOL

[trane]

^ But he has control. If I was Nichol I would want control, and I would not blame him.

[rocker]

^ But he has control. If I was Nichol I would want control, and I would not blame him.

Sigi doesn't have total control. Adrian Hanauer is the GM and put together the team.. he also scouts.
Sigi didn't join Seattle until after MLS Cup... just a few days before the expansion draft.

[olegunnar]

Sigi doesn't have total control. Adrian Hanauer is the GM and put together the team.. he also scouts.
Sigi didn't join Seattle until after MLS Cup... just a few days before the expansion draft.

That's not correct

Adrian Hanauer is their Paul Beirne

Sigi works with Technical Director Chris Henderson.
The impression from quotes after trades though is that Sigi made the trades. For example when they traded for Ianni

[Hitcho]

I'm not sure what the distinction between GM and ehad coach really is, but do we want Nicol doing both? I mean, all I want him doing is coaching the team, picking the team and deciding what players he wants brought in and which ones he wants shipped out. I don't want him wasting his time haggling on the phone with other GMs over trade details, wandering off on scouting missions, sitting in meetings to report to MLSE or anything else. Team, team, team. Mo (or someone else) can handle the rest.

As for Mo not bringing in Nicol because he fears for his own position, Mo has said himself that it's play offs or bust next season. If Mo hires a turnip he loses his job, and he knows that. The only way he can keep his job is to hire a decent coach. And there aren't that many with MLS experience to choose from.

And on the subject of can we get Nicol here or not, can't Nicol just say he wants out? Even if there are rules on contracts etc, it makes no sense to try and keep someone in charge of your team who no longer wants to be there. NER will seek a reasonable compensation from MLSE and then it will go through. The bottom line is, if Nicol wants to come, it will happen. If he doesn't, then we have no chance of getting him regardless, unless he gets sacked by NER first and is looking for another MLS job. The real difficulty lies in convincing Nicol that he wants to come here. If we can manage that, job's a good 'un.

Oh, and it's NICOL people. There's no fucking H in his name. He's not going to come here if people keep typing his name wrong on the forum of the largest member count SG. Get it right.

NICOL :D

[Cashcleaner]

No reason why Mo couldn't be "director of soccer" and Nicol be the General Manager and Head Coach.

If Nicol was ever enticed to Toronto, I think that would be the only way we could convince him. Think about it. Nicol comes in for the Head Coach/GM job and given the sort of control he demands (and has demanded in the past). Mo realizes he's no longer needed in a role of authority over the roster and steps down to become a technical consultant or "Director of Soccer" as you suggested.

Seems like it could work.

[Rudi]

The fans may not be the best source, they may be too invested and not completely objective. What the evidence shows is that the same ownership has won in the NFL, which is a more competitive league than MLS - where, just to be picky, the Revs have never actually won the Cup. Perhaps better ownership would have been the difference, who really knows?
The same ownership that won in the NFL is the one using the Revs as a tax write-off and loss leader for his stadium.

The Revs consistently vote against raises in the salary cap, voted against the DP rule, somehow are always WAY under the cap (even though the league pays the salaries), were the last of the original teams to start an academy (and do the absolute bare minimum that the league requires), have the smallest FO in MLS, etc., etc.

Don't be confused by Kraft's NFL success when looking at him as an MLS owner. He is Jekyll and Hyde in that regard.

[Cashcleaner]

^ Fuck man, how do you learn of all this? :D

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

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Career details and honours

* Ayr United F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Flag_of_Scotland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) 1979-1981

70 league appearances, 7 league goals
* Liverpool F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1981-1995

468 appearances, 46 goals


Division 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Division_1) (Level 1): 1984, 1986, 1988, 1990
European Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League): 1984
FA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup): 1986, 1989, 1992
Screen Sport Super Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Sport_Super_Cup): 1986
Charity Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_Shield): 1986 (shared), 1989
FWA Footballer of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Writers%27_Association_Footballer_of_the_ Year) 1989
Runner-up

Charity Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_Shield): 1984, 1985
Intercontinental Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Intercontinental_Cup): 1984
European Super Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Super_Cup): 1984, 1985
Division 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Division_1) (Level 1): 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
European Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League): 1985
League Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Cup) 1987
FA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup): 1988
* Notts County F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1995

32 league appearances
* Sheffield Wednesday F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) 1995-1998

49 league appearances
* West Bromwich Albion F.C http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)

9 appearances (on loan from Sheffield Wednesday)
* Boston Bulldogs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 2000-2001

* New England Revolution http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 1999 & 2002-Present

US Open Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Open_Cup) 2007
MLS Coach of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Coach_of_the_Year_Award) 2002
MLS Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Cup) Runner-up: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
North American SuperLiga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_SuperLiga) 2008



He cant win the League, and as a Reds fan nicol was good for the club,
but hes lack of league successs means he no good for TFC, it would just be another club for him to lose at..

[nobodybeatsthewiz]

Don't be confused by Kraft's NFL success when looking at him as an MLS owner. He is Jekyll and Hyde in that regard.


kraft has always made his thoughts on a salary cap - even regarding liverpool as recently as this monday - very very clear in that he would never consider entering a league without one.

[Beach_Red]

The same ownership that won in the NFL is the one using the Revs as a tax write-off and loss leader for his stadium.

The Revs consistently vote against raises in the salary cap, voted against the DP rule, somehow are always WAY under the cap (even though the league pays the salaries), were the last of the original teams to start an academy (and do the absolute bare minimum that the league requires), have the smallest FO in MLS, etc., etc.

Don't be confused by Kraft's NFL success when looking at him as an MLS owner. He is Jekyll and Hyde in that regard.


See, you're doing a great job selling TFC as the place to go!

The Patriots aren't one of the top-spending teams in the NFL either. That may not be the best way to judge which organization is the best to work for.

But as you say, TFC seems to have a lt going for it that the Revs organization doesn't. Good news.

[olegunnar]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=690664&cc=5901


FC Dallas fires GM Hitchcock after four seasons
Associated Press
October 28, 2009

FRISCO, Texas -- FC Dallas has fired general manager Michael Hitchcock, who ran the front office for the last four years.


Hitchcock's dismissal was announced Tuesday by team owner Clark Hunt.

FC Dallas reached the playoffs twice under Hitchcock, but fell short this season. The team was 48-47-27 in his tenure.

The team will not hire a new GM. Instead, a technical director will be hired to assist coach Schellas Hyndman.

[mlsintoronto]

That's not correct

Adrian Hanauer is their Paul Beirne

Sigi works with Technical Director Chris Henderson.
The impression from quotes after trades though is that Sigi made the trades. For example when they traded for Ianni


PB has several hundred million less than Adrian. However, if "a fellow's wealth is measured by his friends"...then I suppose with all the friends I have in RPB...I'm the richer man. :o

As far as I know Henderson, Hanauer, and Schmidt all select players...I don't know how they pull it off but they seem too.

Committee. that must be the way forward.

[wzhxvy]

Paul no one is hating on you lately. You have really been spared, and I think fairly in this case :-) Just dont mess up the grass installation !

[Beach_Red]

Committee. that must be the way forward.




Nice one :D:D:D.

[menefreghista]

Paul no one is hating on you lately. You have really been spared, and I think fairly in this case :-) Just dont mess up the grass installation !

Although maybe he does deserve some blame? He must have been part of the team that decided to wrongfully give Mo Johnston a contract extension.

[wzhxvy]

Although maybe he does deserve some blame? He must have been part of the team that decided to wrongfully give Mo Johnston a contract extension.

Paul ??? no I doubt it...although he might think he runs the world too, I think Paul had nothing to do with that. Of course if Paul wants to come on these boards and claim he had a say in the extension, he can :flare:

[trane]

He cant win the League, and as a Reds fan nicol was good for the club,
but hes lack of league successs means he no good for TFC, it would just be another club for him to lose at..

IF MIGHTY IS AGAINST IT I AM ALL FOR IT.

[Darlofletch]

Paul ??? no I doubt it...although he might think he runs the world too, I think Paul had nothing to do with that. Of course if Paul wants to come on these boards and claim he had a say in the extension, he can :flare:

presumably, after pushing back the renewal process, he and his staff have a lot of spare time on their hands this week, so he might as well, give him something to do.

[jloome]

PB has several hundred million less than Adrian. However, if "a fellow's wealth is measured by his friends"...then I suppose with all the friends I have in RPB...I'm the richer man. :o

As far as I know Henderson, Hanauer, and Schmidt all select players...I don't know how they pull it off but they seem too.

Committee. that must be the way forward.

Given that some of these signings were blatantly obviously bad to start off with, it would be somewhat witless to assume this is a case of "everyone chucks stuff at the wall, ours just didn't stick."

There is such a thing as common sense at play. Trading Tyrone Marshall without having his replacement locked up (by which I mean visa in hand and he's apartment hunting) was ridiculous. Trying to solidify the backline with a 5'10, 33-year-old castoff was ridiculous. Trying to fix the scoring problem without getting a proven, team-leading scorer was ridiculous.

Sure, you'll always have cheering sections, and therefore you'll always have a chance to say "well, other people though this was a good idea at the time", particularly when you sign Canadians to fill gaps.

But that doesn't excuse the totally witless, ridiculous manner in which this lineup was built. Perhaps Paul you can elaborate on why we have no wingers, for example? Or why there seemed to be little concern for the character of those being signed, but rather a seemingly solitary focus on their technical ability?

We're facing a dog-and-pony show daily as fans of this club and your answer to that is "Committee. that must be the way forward."

I'd suggest competency. I realize it's not commonly the first concern in corporate survival and advancement, but we might actually win a few more games.

[K1nG]

The same ownership that won in the NFL is the one using the Revs as a tax write-off and loss leader for his stadium.

The Revs consistently vote against raises in the salary cap, voted against the DP rule, somehow are always WAY under the cap (even though the league pays the salaries), were the last of the original teams to start an academy (and do the absolute bare minimum that the league requires), have the smallest FO in MLS, etc., etc.

Don't be confused by Kraft's NFL success when looking at him as an MLS owner. He is Jekyll and Hyde in that regard.

I must say that you are very knowledgable with respect to pretty much any and every issue that has anything to do with the MLS and for that I will give you much respect, however; MLSE is no better than the Rev ownership. Look at the Leafs prior to the cap, number one grossing club, no where close to number one in spending. Each any every one of their clubs has failed to make the playoffs for the vast majority of recent history. Richard Peddie poking his suit nose where it doesn`t belong. At least Kraft has produced a winner in one sport.

[West220Side]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Clarke

Colin Clarke <_<

[Rudi]

Look at the Leafs prior to the cap, number one grossing club, no where close to number one in spending.
Define "no where close to number one in spending."

[jloome]

As for our inability to find a good striker this year, Robbie Fowler, whom everyone in MLS passed on, is among the goal-scoring leaders in the A-League with six in 12. One or two years of his movement and finishing couldn't have hurt us.

[Yohan]

Committee. that must be the way forward.
god i hate committees. endless discussions about everything, with no one clearly in charge, competing interests clogging everything up

[Rudi]

As for our inability to find a good striker this year, Robbie Fowler, whom everyone in MLS passed on, is among the goal-scoring leaders in the A-League with six in 12. One or two years of his movement and finishing couldn't have hurt us.
The A-League is crap.

DC United's Fred was the reigning A-League MVP when he came over to MLS, and what has he done since? He's mostly a substitute now, after proving to be a waste of a starting spot in '07 and '08.

[scooter]

i dont think mo is afraid of nichol

i get the feeling here that folks think mo would have a hard time finding a job with another team---geh yer heed a shake

i agree that mo should be held accountable for the teams failure this year but should he be gone -- maybe maybe not---i say give him 2 more years to win the league

because he is a footballer and has played the game at the highest level his experience is valuable as well as his contacts---dont forget just because toronto decides to buy a football team doesnt mean everyone forgets about all their other commitments and rushes on in here -- he may have deals for players he has been working on for years and dont forget how many deals might now come to fruition because we will have grass

no now is not the time for mo to move on he is capable of making our beloved tfc a winner and i believe he will do everything he can to accomplish that

the funny part is when he does you will all be his best friend and have supported him for years--never had a doubt always knew he could do it

REMEMBER ---SCOOTER WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY HE HAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED MO JOHNSON THROUGH THICK AND THIN

[thisisinternetclash]

Fowler wasn't going to come to Toronto, though. He obviously had and has the talent to succeed at this level, even at his present age, but his situation is a relatively unique one. He went to Australia so that he could retire with his family on a beach in an English-speaking, relatively British culture while keeping an eye on real-estate and other business ventures and investments in which he was already involved. Those non-football variables aren't really transportable to Toronto.

As far as recruiting foreign footballers who have other options (which is to say most of them) goes, the front office need to isolate and promote the unique benefits of the club and - if we're honest, more importantly - the city of Toronto. An older player who still has something to offer at the MLS level looking to play out a few years in a less competitive environment than the one to which he's become acclimatized will always prefer a move to a warm weather American city like Los Angeles or San Jose, everything else being equal. Realistically, considering the nature of the salary cap, financial matters are more or less equal; we don't have the option of 'overspending' for desirable foreigners.

That said, not everything else outside of footballing considerations IS equal, and in many ways they are unequal in Toronto's favour.

I'm something of a Mo apologist. It's genuinely intellectually confusing to me how poor a job the entire fanbase seems resolved that he's done. That really doesn't seem to be the case as I analyze it. That said, it would seem that the front office could do a better job of attracting certain players to this market by promoting particular qualities unique to the city of Toronto, and I'm not sure that they are or have been doing this.

I'm a bit surprised that the club hasn't more actively courted (and, to be fair, perhaps they have) mid to lower-level players from countries and ethnicities that are significantly or even uniquely well-represented in this city. If you were a Serbian, or Portuguese, or Greek, or Italian, or Jamaican, or etc. player who was quite good and certainly good enough to make an impact in MLS, but not a strong enough player to realistically compete at the top level in Europe, and were open to moving overseas to further your career, would it not be attractive to you to be offered a job in a stable league at a well-supported club in major world city in which you could live and enjoy all the benefits that entails, while also enjoying the opportunity to plug yourself into a social and cultural network comprised by people from your country, removing an obvious barrier that prevents many people (not only footballers, obviously) from moving to new countries to further their careers?

I'm surprised there aren't many more situations in sport, particularly in Toronto, like the Turkoglu situation with the Raptors. If you were a decent winger from Turkey and had the option to move to MLS or the German Second Division or Sweden or the Ukraine, on relatively similar money, and wanted to consider what would make the most sense for your family, wouldn't you be very easily and gratefully persuaded by a Toronto delegation convincing you that their club offered you the opportunity to bring your family up in a vibrant, politically and economically stable Western nation in a major metropolis, in which they would be happy to identify any number of Turkish neighbourhoods and restaurants and social clubs and schools for your children, and in which you would instantly become a fan favourite and minor celebrity amongst a certain segment of the support, at same time actually attracting new supporters to the club? Isn't that a huge competitive advantage that Toronto has over somewhere like Columbus or Kansas City? We really should be making better use of that advantage.

[menefreghista]

i get the feeling here that folks think mo would have a hard time finding a job with another team---geh yer heed a shake


You may want to heed your own advice on this point...

[jloome]

Fowler wasn't going to come to Toronto, though. He obviously had and has the talent to succeed at this level, even at his present age, but his situation is a relatively unique one. He went to Australia so that he could retire with his family on a beach

Except that his agent shopped him to everyone in MLS first but was turned down. So, this seems unlikely.

May have been a wage issue.

By the way Rudi, even crap leagues have good players, and Fred was a starter at DC for 75% of the time he's been there. A fair number of a-league players played in Britain or Europe before ending their career there, so the comparisons aren't that far off.

But I guess you'd rather have had O'Brien White and Ali Gerba than Robbie Fowler.

[jloome]

i dont think mo is afraid of nichol

i get the feeling here that folks think mo would have a hard time finding a job with another team---geh yer heed a shake

i agree that mo should be held accountable for the teams failure this year but should he be gone -- maybe maybe not---i say give him 2 more years to win the league

because he is a footballer and has played the game at the highest level his experience is valuable as well as his contacts---dont forget just because toronto decides to buy a football team doesnt mean everyone forgets about all their other commitments and rushes on in here -- he may have deals for players he has been working on for years and dont forget how many deals might now come to fruition because we will have grass

no now is not the time for mo to move on he is capable of making our beloved tfc a winner and i believe he will do everything he can to accomplish that

the funny part is when he does you will all be his best friend and have supported him for years--never had a doubt always knew he could do it

REMEMBER ---SCOOTER WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY HE HAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED MO JOHNSON THROUGH THICK AND THIN

Bah. Or, should I say more appropriately, Baaaaaaaaa.

Only a sheep following an extremely persuasive wolf would think Mo Johnston's going to guide us to anything other than embarassment.

[Rudi]

Except that his agent shopped him to everyone in MLS first but was turned down. So, this seems unlikely.

May have been a wage issue.

By the way Rudi, even crap leagues have good players, and Fred was a starter at DC for 75% of the time he's been there. A fair number of a-league players played in Britain or Europe before ending their career there, so the comparisons aren't that far off.

But I guess you'd rather have had O'Brien White and Ali Gerba than Robbie Fowler.
Yes, I'd rather have guys not with knee problems and advanced age playing on concrete turf. Fowler was awesome, but is far past it.

Why not get Ian Rush if we're going on past accolades? I hear Eric Cantona isn't doing anything. Ridiculous.

As for crap leagues having good players, what have you said that dispelled what I posted? I named the best player from the A-League, and pointed out that he couldn't cut it as a standout in MLS on a team that missed the playoffs two of the three years he's been here. Please enlighten me as to how I'm wrong on that one.

[jloome]

Yes, I'd rather have guys not with knee problems and advanced age playing on concrete turf. Fowler was awesome, but is far past it.

Why not get Ian Rush if we're going on past accolades? I hear Eric Cantona isn't doing anything. Ridiculous.

As for crap leagues having good players, what have you said that dispelled what I posted? I named the best player from the A-League, and pointed out that he couldn't cut it as a standout in MLS on a team that missed the playoffs two of the three years he's been here. Please enlighten me as to how I'm wrong on that one.

Well, for one, "he couldn't cut it" is nonsense, given that he's played almost every DC United game outside an injury stretch for the last three years. He got benched at the end of a bad run of games this year. So I guess a player failing one-tenth of the time qualifies as "couldn't cut it".

For another, the MVP is a one-off vote; Former Brit league players like John aloisi and Hayden Foxe have played in the a-league without winning MVP but were definitely good enough to have done so. So to categorically call him the "best player' in that league is also silly.

For a third, Fowler had four goals in eight starts in Cardiff the year prior, further proof on your part, I guess, that he can't cut it.

For a fourth, it was his hip that caused him problems for most of his career, and later, his ankle. So bad knees aren't really an issue.

Jesus. If you think MLS is so good that a guy with that pedigree can't cut it here, injury history notwithstanding, you're not just wrong, you're delusional.

In fact, he's had the Goal of the Week in the aussie league four times in the first seven weeks. So, he's quite obviously playing a little over the talent level there.

[rocker]

That's not correct

Adrian Hanauer is their Paul Beirne

Sigi works with Technical Director Chris Henderson.
The impression from quotes after trades though is that Sigi made the trades. For example when they traded for Ianni

How is it not correct?

Adrian Hanauer is not their Paul Beirne. Paul Beirne doesn't scout players like Hanauer does. His title is Director, Business Operations. Also, Seattle fans can vote out the "General Manager" every four years. This is the guy with the control: Adrian Hanauer. They can't vote out Sigi Schmidt in 4 years.

From their own web site:

Henderson assists the team’s general manager, Adrian Hanauer, in all areas of soccer operations, including scouting, player management, coaching decisions and the youth system.

Mo Johnston does that, not Paul Beirne.

As well, Freddi Ljundberg, Kasey Keller, and Sebastian Letoux were all signed well before Sigi joined the team. The team that Sigi manages was essentially planned and designed by Adrian Hanauer with advice from Chris Henderson, who was signed almost a year before Sigi showed up.

Sigi Schmidt was also managing Columbus to an MLS Cup just a few days before the expansion draft. Given that MLS ruled he was tampered with, he may have been advising Seattle. But I seriously doubt he was doing much, considering he was coaching a team already.

As well, Hanauer went scouting with Chris Henderson to Argentina and China.

Sigi Schmidt does not have "total control", as some people seem to think is demanded by big coaches. Just the fact that Chris Henderson is technical director and Hanauer goes scouting means that Sigi doesn't have total control. From what I've read, Sigi advises them on what to do, and they also suggest things to him. That's not total control.

[ArmenJBX]

So basically there is no Arsene Wenger or Fergie in this league. No one has full control over their team?

[Technorgasm]

New England Revolution http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 1999 & 2002-Present

US Open Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Open_Cup) 2007
MLS Coach of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Coach_of_the_Year_Award) 2002
MLS Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Cup) Runner-up: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
North American SuperLiga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_SuperLiga) 2008
so let me get this perfectly straight. . .

We are complaining about Nicol not winning the league. .
coming from a standpoint of an expansion team that has not entered into the playoffs.
while NICOL has taken his squad to the pinacle of the league. . . . and lost
4 times?

interesting.

on MO.
the one who brought in DERO, Gerba, JDG to TFC
signed frei, Cronin and got Edu into the SPL from the draft ?

Yes we are all still seething from no play off action
but really we just saved ourselves the embarrassment of being put out of the season by the CREW. . rather than our lack of results.

so it will be an off season of looking into our squad rather than focus the internet energy into our hated rivals.

Thanks for chiming in Paul. . I know you want NICOL just as much as I do.

WALK ON

[Technorgasm]

PB has several hundred million less than Adrian. However, if "a fellow's wealth is measured by his friends"...then I suppose with all the friends I have in RPB...I'm the richer man. :o

And as far as I know Henderson, Hanauer, and Schmidt all select players...I don't know how they pull it off but they seem too.

Committee. that must be the way forward.

Yay!

[canadian_bhoy]

^^ wow, that's some cool bible code action you got going there techno.

[koryo]

Bah. Or, should I say more appropriately, Baaaaaaaaa.

Only a sheep following an extremely persuasive wolf would think Mo Johnston's going to guide us to anything other than embarassment.

No need for the personal attacks. Grow up.

[Beach_Red]

^^ wow, that's some cool bible code action you got going there techno.

Really, who do you think you are, Arnold Schwarzennegger?


http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/28/arnold-schwarzenegge.html

[Technorgasm]

Well, for one, "he couldn't cut it" is nonsense, given that he's played almost every DC United game outside an injury stretch for the last three years. He got benched at the end of a bad run of games this year. So I guess a player failing one-tenth of the time qualifies as "couldn't cut it".

For another, the MVP is a one-off vote; Former Brit league players like John aloisi and Hayden Foxe have played in the a-league without winning MVP but were definitely good enough to have done so. So to categorically call him the "best player' in that league is also silly.

For a third, Fowler had four goals in eight starts in Cardiff the year prior, further proof on your part, I guess, that he can't cut it.

For a fourth, it was his hip that caused him problems for most of his career, and later, his ankle. So bad knees aren't really an issue.

Jesus. If you think MLS is so good that a guy with that pedigree can't cut it here, injury history notwithstanding, you're not just wrong, you're delusional.

In fact, he's had the Goal of the Week in the aussie league four times in the first seven weeks. So, he's quite obviously playing a little over the talent level there.

JDG out!

FOWLER IN!

fowler?
Nicol?
beer sponsor..
shirt manufacturer
and most widelky accepted TFC cchant ALL Liverpool.

I dig it.
EAT IT

[jloome]

No need for the personal attacks. Grow up.

Call out the other guy too. It was a response to

"the funny part is when he does you will all be his best friend and have supported him for years--never had a doubt always knew he could do it"

So, it's OK to blithely insult an entire group of people, but firing back an insult at the person who did it is markedly immature?

It's the internet. People squabble. Grow up.

(And yes, I'm aware personal insults are against the rules. As a 40-year-old man, I'm fairly certain I'll willing to accept my comeuppance from the appropriate person, a mod. In the meantime, file this response appropriately.)

[nascarguy]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2dtzqfb.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/jinzno.jpgsomeone has I little too much time on there hands at work

[jloome]

^^ Good Lord, it's a nice thought, though.

[K1nG]

Define "no where close to number one in spending."

Definition of no where close to number one in spending:

2000-2001

New York Rangers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=20)$ 56,887,037
Detroit Red Wings (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=11)$ 55,107,500
Colorado Avalanche (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=8)$ 51,692,500 (Champions)
Dallas Stars (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=10)$ 50,050,000
St. Louis Blues (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=26)$ 47,092,500
San Jose Sharks (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=25)$ 42,070,000
Washington Capitals (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=30)$ 41,275,000
Toronto Maple Leafs (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2000-01&team=28)$ 41,003,187


2001-2002
Detroit Red Wings (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=11) $ 66,643,750 (Champions)
New York Rangers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=20) $ 64,793,530
Colorado Avalanche (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=8) $ 59,523,921
St. Louis Blues (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=26) $ 57,405,000
Philadelphia Flyers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=22) $ 56,435,000
Toronto Maple Leafs (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2001-02&team=28) $ 51,565,958


2002-2003
New York Rangers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=20)$ 76,477,085
Dallas Stars (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=10)$ 69,570,169
St. Louis Blues (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=26)$ 68,710,000
Detroit Red Wings (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=11)$ 68,410,506
Philadelphia Flyers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=22)$ 65,222,633 (Eliminated Toronto)
Toronto Maple Leafs (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2002-03&team=28)$ 65,054,900


2003-2004
Detroit Red Wings (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=11)$ 77,856,109
New York Rangers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=20)$ 76,488,716
Dallas Stars (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=10)$ 68,578,885
Philadelphia Flyers (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=22)$ 68,175,247 (Eliminated Toronto)
Colorado Avalanche (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=8)$ 63,382,458
Toronto Maple Leafs (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2003-04&team=28)$ 62,458,140

[MUFC_Niagara]

Should everyone bombard their rep and general email inbox with requests to not hire Yallop?

Dont say "hire so and so", just say "please no Yallop".

They'd probably listen to me. I mean I am a public servant with no soccer coaching experience and very minimal playing experience. Clearly, qualified to determine who they should hire as coach. :facepalm:

[MUFC_Niagara]

PB has several hundred million less than Adrian. However, if "a fellow's wealth is measured by his friends"...then I suppose with all the friends I have in RPB...I'm the richer man. :o

As far as I know Henderson, Hanauer, and Schmidt all select players...I don't know how they pull it off but they seem too.

Committee. that must be the way forward.

Paul, did you receive an application for GM from Roogsy by any chance? Mo should start his search for a coach on here, there are more than enough qualified coaches on this message board alone!

[MUFC_Niagara]

I'd like to see Nicol, he's a proven winner in this league. Plus if he ever failed miserably, I could yell this at him!

Wn5pN-s1Yxs

[Beach_Red]

They'd probably listen to me. I mean I am a public servant with no soccer coaching experience and very minimal playing experience. Clearly, qualified to determine who they should hire as coach. :facepalm:


They do listen, though, that's the problem. Look, ultimately at the top of the organization they don't actually care if the team wins, and it's a lot easier to 'give the fans what hey want' if what they want are particular personel choices.

It has been the history if the Leafs for years - fan favourites get good contracts, whipping boys get shipped out.
I wish there weren't so many examples...

[Chevy]

Instead of the Muskoka 5 we will have the Scarborough 4. ;)

[Technorgasm]

Some people get lucky and kill two birds with one stone.

STEVE NICOL once killed four NYRBs with half a stone.

What's that? You say there's no such thing as half a stone?

The four dead NYRBs didn't think so either.

___________

When there's a fire, you stop, drop, and roll.

When there's a STEVE NICOL, you stop, drop, and DIE

[Technorgasm]

NICOL.. . . bitches

[Hitcho]

^ I like this, a useful and edifying addition to the thread :D

By the way, if we do sign Nicol as coach, then

<--- Hobbes here is gonna start dancing. He's been practising, he's ready.

So get 'er done Mo.

[Yohan]

darren ferguson for manager anyone? lol

[Gixmo]

NICOL.. . . bitches

Man, We should go drinking sometime, what a party

Steve Nicol is the answer.... rejoice, He'll be here soon.

[Hitcho]

^ If Nicol joins as TFC head coach...

<--- Hobbes starts to dance... :D

[Technorgasm]

Man, We should go drinking sometime, what a party

Steve Nicol is the answer.... rejoice, He'll be here soon.

Im game my friend. . . good warm up to the drinkin we will be doin together in EPIC 111.

NICOL - Start cheering his name now. . . . . . . . bitches. n:drinking: