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boysblue
10-25-2009, 02:10 PM
Just posted on the Fan 590. Cummins is gone. I suppose this is a good thing if the club is to progress next season. Just hope the next guy is the right man this time.

SmokedPanda
10-25-2009, 02:16 PM
hahahaha best thing i heard all weekend

Whoop
10-25-2009, 02:17 PM
Band aid solution.

Mark in Ottawa
10-25-2009, 02:18 PM
And the question remains... if not Cummins... then who??

Baggio2TFC
10-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Maybe 2 months too late...none the less...Thank GOD!!! Right after the game woulda been sweeter though!! ;o)

rocker
10-25-2009, 02:20 PM
And the question remains... if not Cummins... then who??

how about somebody who knows the league, has won an MLS Coach of the Year award and won the league with one team, and then won an MLS Cup with another team, who is intimately familiar with young American talent, and who is not coaching an MLS team right now: Thomas Rongen?

Mark in Ottawa
10-25-2009, 02:24 PM
how about somebody who knows the league, has won an MLS Coach of the Year award and won the league with one team, and then won an MLS Cup with another team, who is intimately familiar with young American talent, and who is not coaching an MLS team right now: Thomas Rongen?
Pardon my ignorance...
and he is not coaching an MLS team right now.... because???

TFC USA
10-25-2009, 02:24 PM
Whoo hoo fuckers!

SteeltownBhoy
10-25-2009, 02:28 PM
This looks more like he resigned and was not fired.

werewolf
10-25-2009, 02:29 PM
http://www.fan590.com/



Cummins Not Returning To TFC



Sunday, October 25th, 2009

THE FAN has learned that Chris Cummins will not be returning as the head coach of Toronto FC for the 2010 season. Cummins had previously cited unfulfilled promises made to him by the team, in addition to a desire to be closer to his family in England. The news comes a day after TFC was eliminated from the MLS playoff picture.

OneLoveOneEric
10-25-2009, 02:30 PM
Meaningless unless we find out the next guy is significantly better.

Snowy
10-25-2009, 02:31 PM
This looks more like he resigned and was not fired.

Agreed....

Davenport
10-25-2009, 02:31 PM
This looks more like he resigned and was not fired.
I'm sure that's the case. I bet he can't wait to get back to England.
I feel sorry for him, he was out of his depth and simply thrown under the bus by Johnston.
Funny how we're still shite and Johnston still has his job.
That's the resignation we need.

Bobo
10-25-2009, 02:32 PM
This looks more like he resigned and was not fired.

As an interim, does he have that option? If he does, and he did, then that's some balls.

In any case, you knew he wasn't going to last long after yesterday. Makes sense in all areas for him to get the boot right away.

Dirk Diggler
10-25-2009, 02:36 PM
Meaningless unless we find out the next guy is significantly better.

Agreed.

ginkster88
10-25-2009, 02:36 PM
Band aid solution.

How is this band-aid? The guy wasn't fit to coach, this is the obvious first step. It's only a band-aid if it's the only thing to change... this is the first day of the off-season, ffs, let's wait and see what else comes along.

james
10-25-2009, 02:38 PM
i dont know if getting rid of him completely is a good thing. He was never ment to be the head coach, cummings had never coached a team before and was still quite young to be a coach. Carver just left the team and he basicly was forced to take his position.

Cummins apparently worked well with younger players and good at trainning with them. Why dont TFC just get a new coach (like the should of dont right when carver left the team) and let cummins train with the younger players.

SteeltownBhoy
10-25-2009, 02:39 PM
I think Mo will go after Steve Nichol. Now that Nichol has hired Watson (good Canadian Boy) I think he will offer both positions. That would leave 2 great Canadian assistants to learn at the top level here in NA. Then Danny could be quite envolved in scouting and thre Academy, thoughts anyone???

Sonny Cheeba
10-25-2009, 02:40 PM
i dont know if getting rid of him completely is a good thing. He was never ment to be the head coach, cummings had never coached a team before and was still quite young to be a coach. Carver just left the team and he basicly was forced to take his position.

Cummings apparently worked well with younger players and good at trainning with them. Why dont TFC just get a new coach (like the should of dont right when carver left the team) and let cummings train with the younger players.

this is how i felt about it... sure he could say no, but then his time with the team would've been meaningless had he not even tried to be a coach.

interim coach... remember that. i didn't have any real expectations from him.

Whoop
10-25-2009, 02:53 PM
How is this band-aid? The guy wasn't fit to coach, this is the obvious first step. It's only a band-aid if it's the only thing to change... this is the first day of the off-season, ffs, let's wait and see what else comes along.

True it is the first day but this team needs a whole new cultural change and it starts with Mo.

And really unless Mo goes - which is not going to happen - then most of the stuff that will happen will be band aid solutions.

TFC Cityboy
10-25-2009, 03:02 PM
I wish Chris all the best. A decent young coach who was thrust in too deep too early. Nice fella and I hope it works out well for him back in the UK.

So, how do we get Mourinho to TO??
;)

Glenchen29
10-25-2009, 03:08 PM
Jürgen Klinsmann or Sigi Schmidt, we need a coach who understands this league!

wzhxvy
10-25-2009, 03:11 PM
Disgusting ! We have an organization where people quit, resign, disappear under mysterious circumstances, forced to retire, traded and then not, signed and then not...when is MLSE going to wake up to the fact that we have a a serious issue with MoJo...he is the root cause of all this mess.

rocker
10-25-2009, 03:20 PM
Pardon my ignorance...
and he is not coaching an MLS team right now.... because???

He coaches the USA Under-20s. They went to the World Cup this year.
He's also the "sporting director" of Chivas USA, whatever that means.

vweyonlah
10-25-2009, 03:20 PM
first step in the right direction

ginkster88
10-25-2009, 03:22 PM
If Mo delivers a new central defender, a new left back, a new right winger and a manager who understands the league, I see no reason why he should go anywhere. He's a wizard in the draft, got Serioux, got DeRo, got JDG, found Nana, Sanyang and Gomez, took a shot with Vitti... the only place he's massively put a foot wrong is in his judgement of managers. That could be a crippling deficiency, but the man has done a lot of things right.

denime
10-25-2009, 03:22 PM
Jürgen Klinsmann or Sigi Schmidt, we need a coach who understands this league!

And Jürgen Klinsmann understands this league,because .... oh I get it, he lived in LA.:facepalm:

johnmolinaro
10-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Just got off phone with Cummins. Said he hasn't been fired (as far as he knows) and he hasn't stepped down.

Take that for what it's worth.

john

rocker
10-25-2009, 03:28 PM
the only place he's massively put a foot wrong is in his judgement of managers.

yup... the experience level of the managers (including himself) over 3 seasons was very very low. I have a feeling Mo probably thought, back in 2006, "why hire a big time coach for 2007 when it'll take a few years for the team to come together anyways?" So he did it himself for 2007..... It totally fit with TFC's cautious philosophy to watch their staffing budget in case MLS wasn't successful. Save a buck that way....... and then he probably thought he could get away with Carver and Cummins if he brought in better talent (which he's always done, even as it became a revolving door). Just guesses on my part, but I think the attention and popularity of TFC probably placed more attention on him than he expected.

Now he better bring in a solid, MLS-experienced coach. Although that means if the team still sucks the target is on him.

wzhxvy
10-25-2009, 03:31 PM
Just got off phone with Cummins. Said he hasn't been fired (as far as he knows) and he hasn't stepped down.

Take that for what it's worth.

john

I wonder if someone is trying to collect severance and someone else is trying to avoid paying it :-) Regardless, what a shameful flow of events.

billyfly
10-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Around and around it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

Roogsy
10-25-2009, 03:41 PM
This is meaningless unless Mo doesn't go as well. We are never going to get a capable coach with Mo at the helm. What coach of true quality would want to work in this dysfunctional arrangement?

Nuvinho
10-25-2009, 03:45 PM
from twitter:

JohnMolinaro (http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) Just got off phone with Cummins. Said he hasn't been fired (as far as he knows) and he hasn't stepped down.

wzhxvy
10-25-2009, 03:48 PM
John posted that in the thread earlier....this stuff has become so transparent with TFC....Carver, DD, CC, Rickets...I mean come on...why would you quit when there is a payout at the end of the day...oh sure CC hasnt quit..he just left for England after the last game and bad mouthing MO...yeah its all good lol

Chevy
10-25-2009, 03:55 PM
If Mo delivers a new central defender, a new left back, a new right winger and a manager who understands the league, I see no reason why he should go anywhere. He's a wizard in the draft, got Serioux, got DeRo, got JDG, found Nana, Sanyang and Gomez, took a shot with Vitti... the only place he's massively put a foot wrong is in his judgement of managers. That could be a crippling deficiency, but the man has done a lot of things right.

+1..

jloome
10-25-2009, 04:04 PM
+1..

That is, bar none, the most ridiculous quote I've ever seen on this board.

Our defense got shredded, key players (Cronin and DeRo) are publicly stating that we have bad characters in our dressing room, and you think those are successful signings?

Serioux? Vitti? Is there some emoticon out there that's, like, an atomic-bomb-facepalm?

Seriously dude, do you work for MLSE?

johnmolinaro
10-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Chris did admit he`s contemplating his future with the team and that an official announcement (whether he stays or goes) will likely be made later this week.

working on a story now. will be published shortly.

john
http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro

S_D
10-25-2009, 04:10 PM
That is, bar none, the most ridiculous quote I've ever seen on this board.

Our defense got shredded, key players (Cronin and DeRo) are publicly stating that we have bad characters in our dressing room, and you think those are successful signings?

Serioux? Vitti? Is there some emoticon out there that's, like, an atomic-bomb-facepalm?

Seriously dude, do you work for MLSE?

and don't forget to add that Sanyang and Gomez were found by LA.

but anways, this team has become a PR farce lol. I am almost enjoying the thought of the entire F.O. squirming in discomfort.

Lucky Strike
10-25-2009, 04:18 PM
Chris did admit he`s contemplating his future with the team and that an official announcement (whether he stays or goes) will likely be made later this week.

working on a story now. will be published shortly.

john
http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro

I think it'd be good to have him as an assistant for continuity purposes or at least in the Academy setup since that's his strength, but he probably shouldn't remain head coach.

It's really a shame because he was asked to do a tough job under difficult circumstances without the experience he would have wanted for it. And he seems like a genuinely good guy, which makes me more difficult to say. Good luck Chris if you aren't back with TFC!

TheRenter
10-25-2009, 04:22 PM
great, get the f*ck out!

johnmolinaro
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Cummins still Toronto FC coach, for now
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/10/25/sp-cummins-torontofc.html

jazzy
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.fan590.com/

that makes Carver, Cummins, both saying unfullfilled promises not delivered.................is this a common reacurence?.......

Moe saves his skin...RE: more of the same next year, sorry you happy go lucky's....I really love the spirit, of all those in denial, but all year one wrestles with the idea that, all the evidence points to a team in total disarray, I would like to be fully convinced that we can improve, but .....we are worse than the start of the 2nd year, We have an unknowledgeable, or blissfully ignorant upper mgmt, being lead down the path by who?..Moe?..Anselmi IS Richard Pettie, and needs (if this is MLSE's business plan), a soccer specialist advisor, like Colangelo......sorry Moe, you are a super, scout, thats it.

never have called out Moe but,,,,,,I think the players smell a rat, they are too talented to play like yesterday..........

jazzy
10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
If Mo delivers a new central defender, a new left back, a new right winger and a manager who understands the league, I see no reason why he should go anywhere. He's a wizard in the draft, got Serioux, got DeRo, got JDG, found Nana, Sanyang and Gomez, took a shot with Vitti... the only place he's massively put a foot wrong is in his judgement of managers. That could be a crippling deficiency, but the man has done a lot of things right.

where's the chemistry?? did u see Seattle last night fabulous game, wide field play slow build up great passing, great respect among each player.....I hope they go all the way.........all I need is great soccer, and a plan, like I said Moe 's a super scout, end of statement.............

olegunnar
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Looks like he's gone...but it won't be official until the "goodbye" package is finalized...which would be later this week.

MarkEightThree
10-25-2009, 04:32 PM
If Mo delivers a new central defender, a new left back, a new right winger and a manager who understands the league, I see no reason why he should go anywhere. He's a wizard in the draft, got Serioux, got DeRo, got JDG, found Nana, Sanyang and Gomez, took a shot with Vitti... the only place he's massively put a foot wrong is in his judgement of managers. That could be a crippling deficiency, but the man has done a lot of things right.

My exact sentiments. The guy might have mad some poor choices in the manager department, but he's also made some great strides in acquiring talent.

SteeltownBhoy
10-25-2009, 04:34 PM
This is Bull Shit. You have a coach, whose desire to be with TFC is questionable at best, sending signals that the organization has been less then honest with him and can't wait to get back to England.

Rergardless of the truth of these statements, they are out in the public media open for interpretation and to fester like an open sore.

Defuse the circus that I see about to develope, Mo should fire Cummins now before God knows what could spew from his bitter mouth.

Then again Toronto and ML$E love 3 ring events. SIGH!!!

Hustle
10-25-2009, 04:43 PM
This is bullshit. What kind of organization do we have? Do you know how pissed off you have to be to bring private shit out in the open in the media the way CC did? The cancer in the heart of the team is evident from JC comments, CC's comments, Cronin's comments and the list goes on.

On paper, we have what it takes to be top tier but the attitude around the team clearly sucks and that will not change as long as Mo is in charge. Get ready for more soap opera bullshit in 2010.

If we lost 2-0 I would not be saying this, but the team imploded in the most important, easiest game of the season. I came across the thread earlier about "No matter what happens in NY, I am satisfied with the season and I laughed....how many people can agree with that now after such an implosion.? How can you be satisfied supporting a team that is falling apart from the inside out? Mo must go...stop watching the propaganda from TFCTV and GOLTV and its not hard to see the real problems here.

jazzy
10-25-2009, 04:48 PM
This is bullshit. What kind of organization do we have? Do you know how pissed off you have to be to bring private shit out in the open in the media the way CC did? The cancer in the heart of the team is evident from JC comments, CC's comments, Cronin's comments and the list goes on.

On paper, we have what it takes to be top tier but the attitude around the team clearly sucks and that will not change as long as Mo is in charge. Get ready for more soap opera bullshit in 2010.

If we lost 2-0 I would not be saying this, but the team imploded in the most important, easiest game of the season. I came across the thread earlier about "No matter what happens in NY, I am satisfied with the season and I laughed....how many people can agree with that now after such an implosion.? How can you be satisfied supporting a team that is falling apart from the inside out? Mo must go...stop watching the propaganda from TFCTV and GOLTV and its not hard to see the real problems here.

I smell the truth here.......how can any normal fan not finally be pissed

ArmenJBX
10-25-2009, 04:49 PM
We need some consistency. Clearly the revolving door isn't working. Add a good CB and a striker who can score, and that's that. Let those who are retiring retire, and fill in the squad.

Roogsy
10-25-2009, 04:52 PM
I smell the truth here.......how can any normal fan not finally be pissed

Agree...100%.

To not be upset right now would be to show complete naiveté at the organization's propaganda and marketing. It would be complacency to the utmost degree.

FluSH
10-25-2009, 04:58 PM
Ok I thought this was official?! WTF?

Super
10-25-2009, 05:02 PM
If Cummins is to stay with TFC then he should be announced as permanent head coach - no more of this interim crap. To me it can only produce a lack of respect from the players too.

wzhxvy
10-25-2009, 05:07 PM
I am going to go on the limb and say he will not be back lol

Super
10-25-2009, 05:22 PM
I am going to go on the limb and say he will not be back lol

Yup - the odds are definitely stacked against him staying.

London
10-25-2009, 05:22 PM
come on TFC get on the bandwagon,

the english team has learned and the irish team too,

we need an italian coach

s2cazz
10-25-2009, 05:26 PM
We need an Italian coach and an american manager (with mls experience)

mighty_torontofc_2008
10-25-2009, 05:30 PM
Just posted on the Fan 590. Cummins is gone. I suppose this is a good thing if the club is to progress next season. Just hope the next guy is the right man this time.


so we cant fire him after next season..because the fans want us to over achieve to a point were a this yr a 3rd year club was right into a playoff spot right to the end when really a club that young should not be that close...this was our best season yet..and we ill likely take a few steps back next season if a new manger is brought in and certain underacheiving players :} are still playing here.

Inklink
10-25-2009, 05:31 PM
I really have no problem with Mo.

Hopefully Cummins is gone.

Welcome interim interim TFC head coach .... NICK DASOVIC

flatpicker
10-25-2009, 05:44 PM
I don't hold any resentment towards Cummins.
I'm sure he did the best he could, under the circumstances.
He's probably a decent assistant coach.
But a club like Toronto should be spending large money on it's management and coaching.
The same goes for any Toronto sports team operating within a salary cap.
Sure, you can only spend so much on players...
But when you are owned by MLSE, and there is no cap on how much you can spend on management,
Then you spend big!
Toronto FC should be getting the best coach who is out there, and willing to coach in this city (and league).
TFC's coach should have the biggest salary on the club!

tfc2008
10-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Cummins still TFC coach, for now

First-year bench boss says he hasn't been fired or resigned

tfc2008
10-25-2009, 06:01 PM
No Italian coach we like to play real soccer and you dont do that with a italian in the house

tfc2008
10-25-2009, 06:03 PM
Chris Cummins maintains he is still the head coach of Toronto FC.
But for how much longer is anybody's guess.
A report published Sunday on the website of Toronto sports radio station FAN 590 stated that Cummins would not be returning as head coach of the Major League Soccer club in 2010.
"Really? That’s news to me," Cummins told CBCSports.ca in a phone interview Sunday afternoon.
Cummins said he hasn't been fired by the club, nor has he resigned his post.
He did, however, reveal that he is considering his future with the club and that an official team announcement would likely be made later this week.
After serving as an assistant during the 2008 MLS campaign, Cummins was named Toronto FC's interim head coach when John Carver resigned in April.
Under Cummins's tutelage, Toronto FC won the Canadian club championship (beating out the Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps) and finished the 2009 season with a 10-11-9 record, an improvement on the 9-13-8 mark they achieved a season ago under Carver.
Embarrassing 5-0 defeat

But the roof fell in on the Reds Saturday night when Toronto suffered an embarrassing 5-0 road loss to the New York Red Bulls in their regular-season finale, a humbling result against the worst team in the league.
A victory over New York (5-19-6), eliminated from playoff contention long ago, would have put Toronto in pole position to claim a post-season berth for the first time in franchise history.
But the loss to the lowly Red Bulls, combined with a 2-2 draw between D.C. United and the Kansas City Wizards in a game that finished later Saturday night, officially killed the Reds' playoff dreams on the final weekend of the season.
The 5-0 loss to New York was also Toronto's heaviest defeat since it joined MLS in 2007.
After the game, Cummins admitted to reporters he was thinking about his future as coach of Toronto FC, citing unfulfilled promises made to him by the team, in addition to a desire to be closer to his family.
Cummins's wife and five children currently live in England

mighty_torontofc_2008
10-25-2009, 06:28 PM
I really have no problem with Mo.

Hopefully Cummins is gone.

Welcome interim interim TFC head coach .... NICK DASOVIC


good no not him hes useless we would finish behind the red Bulls if this
characyer got a managers job....Keep CC fro christ sake move the players out!!

Pookie
10-25-2009, 06:29 PM
When he goes, I definitely think this is a band aid solution.

2 Coaches will have left over the course of 30 games. Speaks to a problem that goes beyond the position.

jazzy
10-25-2009, 06:30 PM
I really have no problem with Mo.

Hopefully Cummins is gone.

Welcome interim interim TFC head coach .... NICK DASOVIC

I tell ya, All the time I wanted this man as coach instead as asst, and knew the Carver protege would win the overall job, also he was British always the problem here, but this man has done it all. First he played in Croatia, in Scotland cup final, where he scored, played for Canada, coached the under 23's to tie the mexican squad and eliminate them from Olympic contention, also has anyone ever met an east european who didn't understand the game? I am of British descent but over the years have come admire all east european players and their heart for the game and they are reasonable in their $ demands. They also understand discipline, I'm afraid now that this man has missed his chance. Will he be invited to be part of the Vancouver Whitecaps, where he was player/manager? he's paid his dues? Who did Cummins ever play for?

London
10-25-2009, 06:44 PM
No Italian coach we like to play real soccer and you dont do that with a italian in the house


if what we play is 'real" soccer, i will take "fake" soccer and win

prizby
10-25-2009, 08:50 PM
ill miss his british accent <3

K1nG
10-25-2009, 09:28 PM
dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. go back to London you bum

skypilot69
10-25-2009, 09:42 PM
I think Mo will go after Steve Nichol. Now that Nichol has hired Watson (good Canadian Boy) I think he will offer both positions. That would leave 2 great Canadian assistants to learn at the top level here in NA. Then Danny could be quite envolved in scouting and thre Academy, thoughts anyone???


Too right mate!!

Steve Nichol will do the business for certain!!!

sp69

ginkster88
10-25-2009, 09:57 PM
That is, bar none, the most ridiculous quote I've ever seen on this board.

Our defense got shredded, key players (Cronin and DeRo) are publicly stating that we have bad characters in our dressing room, and you think those are successful signings?

Serioux? Vitti? Is there some emoticon out there that's, like, an atomic-bomb-facepalm?

Seriously dude, do you work for MLSE?

Seven months ago Serioux was a great addition for us, and made a ton of sense... we needed help at central defense, and Mo delivered with a proven MLS veteran, and a domestic, no less. Should we have expected John Terry? We loved the Vitti signing at the time on these boards (although, knowing your temperament jloome, you probably droned on wisely about waiting to see the results on the field, damn pragmatist). It showed that Mo was willing to search other markets for talent, and wasn't just endlessly trotting out League 2 has-beens.

As for bad characters, I can't speak to that. If Mo knew about a player's issues and still signed him, well, it wouldn't be the first time a GM looked the other way as long as the results were there, and it wouldn't be the first time most of the fans didn't care (Lawrence Taylor comes to mind as the most egregious example). As for our defense, I recall a time when we were just one strong CB away from a solid "MLS back line". Now we think Brennan should retire or move to the wing, Wynne isn't fit to start and Velez is back home in PR.

I maintain that he's done mostly good things apart from his horrible judgement of managers, and that includes misjudging their ability to work with the team he has assembled. If he gets it right this time around, then I think he should stay on.

Ossington Mental Youth
10-25-2009, 10:24 PM
How is this band-aid? The guy wasn't fit to coach, this is the obvious first step. It's only a band-aid if it's the only thing to change... this is the first day of the off-season, ffs, let's wait and see what else comes along.

doesnt address the lack of players and lack of heart that still plagues the team and people believe this was the only answer to the problem

ginkster88
10-25-2009, 10:28 PM
doesnt address the lack of players and lack of heart that still plagues the team and people believe this was the only answer to the problem

I think you would be hard-pressed to find a single knowledgeable fan who thinks this is the only change we need.

Roogsy
10-25-2009, 10:31 PM
Seven months ago Serioux was a great addition for us, and made a ton of sense... we needed help at central defense, and Mo delivered with a proven MLS veteran, and a domestic, no less. Should we have expected John Terry? We loved the Vitti signing at the time on these boards (although, knowing your temperament jloome, you probably droned on wisely about waiting to see the results on the field, damn pragmatist). It showed that Mo was willing to search other markets for talent, and wasn't just endlessly trotting out League 2 has-beens.

This statement overlooks the facts that most readers of this board are aware of, and that is that this team's defensive woes were well known by anyone with a pulse. Bringing in Serioux was a wash because Mo had sent Marshall to Seattle and Dunivant to LA. In fact, despite the fact that this board was continuously calling for help on the backline, we actually started the year weaker than where we finished the season before.

Mo did not deliver...and most of us realized that and did not let it go unnoticed. That's why I personally have shifted from the "wait and see" camp with regards to Mo, to now being a full-fledged member of the "he's got to go" camp.

Whoop
10-25-2009, 10:33 PM
Only problem Roogsy is that he's signed this extension that's never been acknowledged publicly yet.

I mean, he's back but when was this contract extension officially announced?

Roogsy
10-25-2009, 10:36 PM
We know Mo is coming back next year...we can all dream though. This guy has failed...but as per usual, the geniuses at MLSE head office don't know their heads from a hole in the wall and will make a change much too late.

Ossington Mental Youth
10-25-2009, 11:23 PM
I think you would be hard-pressed to find a single knowledgeable fan who thinks this is the only change we need.

I think youre giving too much credit to alot of posters in this forum

Bars92
10-26-2009, 12:50 AM
good no not him hes useless we would finish behind the red Bulls if this
characyer got a managers job....Keep CC fro christ sake move the players out!!

Yer aff yer bap mate!!:rolleyes:

Section 117
10-26-2009, 07:37 AM
Cummins leaving was done a while ago... Something like 3 or 4 weeks ago that desicion was made.

The FO is probably waiting a few days and then it will be annouced.

Fort York Redcoat
10-26-2009, 07:46 AM
good no not him hes useless we would finish behind the red Bulls if this
characyer got a managers job....Keep CC fro christ sake move the players out!!

Your player of the year Frei is one of those players Mighty.

You"re such a character!

drewski
10-26-2009, 08:36 AM
Cummins leaving was done a while ago... Something like 3 or 4 weeks ago that desicion was made.

The FO is probably waiting a few days and then it will be annouced.

I think thats it. Not sure if its just to make them look less reactionary or because they want him to help in the post-season cleanup work

a.ungaro
10-26-2009, 09:06 AM
Moes got to go this should have been read across the southend at the last home game no disrespect to dichio

TFCRegina
10-26-2009, 09:08 AM
if what we play is 'real" soccer, i will take "fake" soccer and win

Agreed. I will also take fake soccer and not be bored by shite long ball.

Pigfynn
10-26-2009, 09:11 AM
I find it hilarious and totally ridiculous that someone could suggest that merely by getting an Italian coach we will be better.

You guys make me laugh.

s2cazz
10-26-2009, 10:57 AM
I find it hilarious and totally ridiculous that someone could suggest that merely by getting an Italian coach we will be better.

You guys make me laugh.
let me be more specific... an Italian coach that is a disciplinarian... I think the Italian style of coaching and tactic would suit the needs of the squad best with the talent we have...

is that better?

and yes that in combination with an american manager that knows the system of the MLS we would do much better

flatpicker
10-26-2009, 11:09 AM
I think what it boils down to is,
This team does posses some talent.
There are players on this squad that should have performed better.
This club is better on paper than on the pitch.
It is quite possible that the right coaching will get the right performance out of them.

TOBOR !
10-26-2009, 11:14 AM
Meaningless unless we find out the next guy is significantly better.

I disagree. This team took no form or direction under Cummins. They played to the best of their abilities, but they played as individuals. There was no thought or cohesion. Witness the defenders booting the ball downfield for the opposition to collect and control - we played like an uncoached Sunday league side.

Cummins was out of his depth here. Hopefully he's replaced by someone of better pedigree, but even so, anyone with a strategy will be better than what we had.

Goodbye Mr. and Mrs. Cummins.

nimamalek
10-26-2009, 11:43 AM
We should expect a new coach and since its the MLSE running the team, I expect a coach that is best for keeping fans happy and in their seats, not the coach that is best for the team. I expect someone from the following list.

- Tie Domi
- Wendal Clark
- Danny Dichio
- Alan Shearer
- Diego Maradona

felipe
10-26-2009, 12:04 PM
I find it hard to fault Chris...simply because I don't think he ever had a chance.

This might be way off base, but to my outlook, he never had a carrot or a stick. How do you coach without these things? He had no authority. You can't seize control of a team of int'ls with no real power.

I don't think we'll ever know if he was capable or not - because I don't think he was ever given the chance.

He was hired to babysit.

Maybe I'm wrong - maybe he was given full authority to do things however he saw fit - and was able to release or sit players if the situation demanded it.

Or maybe he butted heads with dichio over playing time - and lost half the room as a result. Frankly a Dichio/Barrett competition for playing time seems ridiculous to me - start them both! This could explain why Danny was not given a role as assistant coach.

Or maybe he was never given a proper squad - it's on its way, but we all realise we're missing some key parts...

I have no quibble with his tactics - he gets paid a lot (a little? I don't know) to make those decisions - and I think he's well capable - people seem to think he's vastly unqualified for the position and that he just showed up at the gate one day and they gave him a job! Go through the process yourself and try to become an elite coach or referee (or even just provincial levels) and tell me that guys with no clue make it to a professional level. (Well, they do if they're former provincial or nat'l team members...) Then go try for your levels in England and tell me if its easier or harder...

Although Tactics wise - I think three (especially those 3!) at the back was suicidal and was proved to be - and he should of realised that after the RSL game, when only luck enabled us to win that one. We almost got pasted that game too - way too many inexperienced errors at the back.

But most on here thought that was a good idea - and probably still do. I'm probably the only one here who thinks that a back four with garcia looks a lot more solid. Although even I can see he's not the answer...I'm digressing...

And coaching at this level has got to be mostly man management - It looks like he lacked experience at this level and may have made some mistakes in this area. Show me a manager who hasn't! Even the great Cloughie mismanaged and misread situations at times. (fookin Leeds) Cloughie even had the nerve to floor Roy Keane with a punch - maybe Chris should have tried that with Dichio? Sir Alex would proably like that boot back he cut Becks with; It doesn't make them a bad coach or manager. Maybe not the best fit. Quite possibly CC is a good manager but was a bad fit at this time with this club.

The point is - we don't know what was really going on - although it seems we soon will if the reporters can get it out. (I still want to know what really happened with Carver)

and blanket all encompassing statements don't really help - I see no evidence that any coach would have done better with the squad at his disposal. I think we played very well at times - and very poorly at times - and I think you could say that about every team in this league.

I mean, sweet jesus, we missed the postseason by a single point!

But it really won't matter who the new coach is without a proper centre back.

And it really doesn't matter what his nationality (or she! ponder that!) is.

And it doesn't really matter what style they play - as long as all the players buy into it! Nonsense about certain players only being able to play certain styles, or coaches not knowing how to utilise a 'true' number 10 - are just ridiculous. You play the style that you think is most appropriate to the best 11 players you have available. (Playing hoof and hope is not the style I'd recommend without a target man or any frontline speed - but I'm sure that wasn't the plan - I'm sure thats a result of poor movement and no other choice available)

Flats is right though -

(and I'm not down on any player, (well except Vitti - useless, what is this movement talk? He plays with his head firmly down) and (Guevera - fully capable of being the best player in the league when he wants too - but looks mostly disinterested)) -

we have the makings of a good team.

Even garcia has the makings of a very capable backup/emergency starter for us.

so my final analysis is

- basically any qualified coach would have achieved pretty much the same result -

what we really need is a central defender. (This last bit gets repeated a lot the last three years by just about everyone it seems)

I wish Chris well

Hitcho
10-26-2009, 12:15 PM
I find it hard to fault Chris...simply because I don't think he ever had a chance.

This might be way off base, but to my outlook, he never had a carrot or a stick. How do you coach without these things? He had no authority. You can't seize control of a team of int'ls with no real power.

The rest of your post was a bit long and rambling dude and I couldn't get through it (sorry dude!), but this bit I totally agree with, and I think it's likely the source of these "bad character" rumours we are now seeing. The players (especially the senior guys) knew they were safe and probably ranked themsleves level with Cummins in terms of authority. And as soon as that happens, you've got serious problems.

A coach respected by the dressing room who is able to rebalance the squad a bit to his liking (width, new CB, whatever he thinks he needs) and who can get the guys playing as a team in a coherent, organised system should do well with the talent we have.

scooter
10-26-2009, 01:18 PM
i have been posting this all fookin summer
they should have given chris the full time job and let him prove his worth this interm shite did not work and chris did not have the authority he needed to really coach the team

DOMIN8R
10-26-2009, 02:14 PM
Agreed. You can't exert much authority in a room when you are called the interim caretaker and you decide to move your family back to the UK so that your kids can start the school year off back at "home". And you feel that you ..." were promised certain things" and they weren't delivered.

The players know what time it is. They see the divisions in the locker room and the leadership isn't respected - how many times has CC said or implied that he gives instructions and the players don't follow through.

It sounds like CC lost the room.

Connect the dots. If I were a conspiracist, I'd say he was set up to fail or at least take the fall. I have to give credit to ensco on that one.

Beach_Red
10-26-2009, 02:19 PM
Agreed. You can't exert much authority in a room when you are called the interim caretaker and you decide to move your family back to the UK so that your kids can start the school year off back at "home". And you feel that you ..." were promised certain things" and they weren't delivered.


This one is driving me crazy. Maybe it's because I work for movie and TV producers, but really, who listens to "promises" in the world of contracts?

jloome
10-26-2009, 02:21 PM
The rest of your post was a bit long and rambling dude and I couldn't get through it (sorry dude!), but this bit I totally agree with, and I think it's likely the source of these "bad character" rumours we are now seeing. The players (especially the senior guys) knew they were safe and probably ranked themsleves level with Cummins in terms of authority. And as soon as that happens, you've got serious problems.

A coach respected by the dressing room who is able to rebalance the squad a bit to his liking (width, new CB, whatever he thinks he needs) and who can get the guys playing as a team in a coherent, organised system should do well with the talent we have.

Bingo.

DOMIN8R
10-26-2009, 02:25 PM
Johnston And Players To Discuss Season

Reds will speak to the media on Tuesday morning

10/26/2009 3:06 PM
TorontoFC.ca

Toronto FC Manager, Director of Soccer Mo Johnston will talk to the media at BMO Field on Tuesday morning to discuss the 2009 season, and plans for 2010. The players arrived back in Toronto from New York yesterday afternoon and will be back at the stadium on Tuesday for end of season physicals and fitness testing. TorontoFC.ca will bring you the latest news from BMO Field throughout the day.

flambe
10-26-2009, 02:26 PM
ok, so let's assume CC lost control of the locker room and some of the players didn't listen to what he was saying.

with regards to the issue falling back defensively when we're leading a game by 1 goal. who out of the team would have been pushing for that? if we are to believe CC and I see no real reason not to at this point, his remarks about having to push the team up himself must have come as a result of someone overiding his decisions in how to play the final 15.

who was this, and when will he be shown the door?

Beach_Red
10-26-2009, 02:28 PM
What if they weren't contractual?
What if they were..."don't worry, we'll handle it" kind of promises.
Not money...but say for example paperwork...the kind of paperwork Cummins was confident the promiser was familiar with (say when bringing in Gambians for example)

Given the history of this league and paperwork that's exactly the kind of promise no one should believe. Or with Immigration Canada, or whoever's on the other side of that paperwork. Unless you think it simply didn't get filed? Which is something else entirely given MLSE bring in players from Sweden and Russia all the time.

But this is what I mean, this is what we get in my business all the time, the person making the promise really doesn't have control over the outcome themselves so no one takes it seriously. I mean, no one takes a producer seriously anyway - any more than you can take an agent's promise seriously.

mighty_torontofc_2008
10-26-2009, 02:31 PM
Your player of the year Frei is one of those players Mighty.

You"re such a character!


:} just keep Frei and Attakora and JDG and ship the rest out...keep Edwards & wynn as well...the rest bye bye

Fort York Redcoat
10-26-2009, 02:48 PM
Because replacing a team is that easy.

Riveting analysis as usual.

Big Bruva
10-26-2009, 03:48 PM
where's the chemistry?? did u see Seattle last night fabulous game, wide field play slow build up great passing, great respect among each player.....I hope they go all the way.........all I need is great soccer, and a plan, like I said Moe 's a super scout, end of statement.............


Ya good point, makes me laugh when fans say "well its only our first or sencond season" then you look at Seattle and look what they are doing.

Remember a lot of fans screaming for Marshalls head and i remember saying you need to be careful tinkering with the CB position unless you know its sorted. Marshall has played 26 started 25 and Seattle and Houston are joint 1st in the whole league for goals against with 29 so i think its safe to say he has produced for a new club at a very important position.

Wingers were also a problem in my eyes.

The signing of Ali did not workout (just talking about his time with the club so far) O'B was coming off an injury so he will be more focused on next season to start fresh and a striker that had to be placed on the wing to do "a job"

Big Bruva
10-26-2009, 03:53 PM
This is bullshit. What kind of organization do we have? Do you know how pissed off you have to be to bring private shit out in the open in the media the way CC did? The cancer in the heart of the team is evident from JC comments, CC's comments, Cronin's comments and the list goes on.

On paper, we have what it takes to be top tier but the attitude around the team clearly sucks and that will not change as long as Mo is in charge. Get ready for more soap opera bullshit in 2010.

If we lost 2-0 I would not be saying this, but the team imploded in the most important, easiest game of the season. I came across the thread earlier about "No matter what happens in NY, I am satisfied with the season and I laughed....how many people can agree with that now after such an implosion.? How can you be satisfied supporting a team that is falling apart from the inside out? Mo must go...stop watching the propaganda from TFCTV and GOLTV and its not hard to see the real problems here.

Fact is Mo still has a LOT more to do with the team than people think in regards to decsions etc

JC, CC both did/do not feel 100% comfortable working with the man and talking to players i know at the club i have heard the word snake when talking about Mo many times.

(Still wanna see how Mo is gonna act when DeRo is ready to ask for more money since Mo told DeRo he would be DP) snake movements.......

Big Bruva
10-26-2009, 03:58 PM
good no not him hes useless we would finish behind the red Bulls if this
characyer got a managers job....Keep CC fro christ sake move the players out!!

Daso would not do better than CC, in fact i would expect worse unless he convinced Mo to get one or two better players in certain positions.

Big Bruva
10-26-2009, 04:04 PM
I find it hilarious and totally ridiculous that someone could suggest that merely by getting an Italian coach we will be better.

You guys make me laugh.

I know, some posts i read and just laugh and some i go to reply and think its really not worth it. :facepalm:

Big Bruva
10-26-2009, 04:11 PM
:} just keep Frei and Attakora and JDG and ship the rest out...keep Edwards & wynn as well...the rest bye bye

cough didn't DeRo get 11 goals and 6 assists cough c'mon ya aving a laff.

Beach_Red
10-26-2009, 04:12 PM
... talking to players i know at the club i have heard the word snake when talking about Mo many times.



You make the dressing room sound like Pee Wee. You're probably right, of course, it's just too bad.

Roogsy
10-26-2009, 07:54 PM
talking to players i know at the club i have heard the word snake when talking about Mo many times.

The players I have spoken to give me that same impression as well. Eventually, you have to pay the repercussions of having someone who people don't trust at the helm. In the end, we are only going to wind up with players nobody else wants, because players who DO have options will opt not to come. That puts us at a disadvantage.

The cure?

Ship Mo out.

Beach_Red
10-26-2009, 08:24 PM
The players I have spoken to give me that same impression as well. Eventually, you have to pay the repercussions of having someone who people don't trust at the helm. In the end, we are only going to wind up with players nobody else wants, because players who DO have options will opt not to come. That puts us at a disadvantage.

The cure?

Ship Mo out.


Why stop there? If the problem is, "someone who people don't trust at the helm," why not make this demand of the people at the helm? This really doesn't seem like a problem to be solved by a change in middle management.

Roogsy
10-26-2009, 08:29 PM
Why stop there? If the problem is, "someone who people don't trust at the helm," why not make this demand of the people at the helm? This really doesn't seem like a problem to be solved by a change in middle management.


?

Mo is not at the helm?

Regardless, being he is the one players don't trust...you needn't look higher.

Although I am sure you can find a healthy element on this board that would love for MLSE to go away completely as well...but that is not likely.

FluSH
10-26-2009, 08:46 PM
Ya good point, makes me laugh when fans say "well its only our first or sencond season" then you look at Seattle and look what they are doing.

Remember a lot of fans screaming for Marshalls head and i remember saying you need to be careful tinkering with the CB position unless you know its sorted. Marshall has played 26 started 25 and Seattle and Houston are joint 1st in the whole league for goals against with 29 so i think its safe to say he has produced for a new club at a very important position.

Wingers were also a problem in my eyes.

The signing of Ali did not workout (just talking about his time with the club so far) O'B was coming off an injury so he will be more focused on next season to start fresh and a striker that had to be placed on the wing to do "a job"

I miss Marshall... damn it!!!

Roogsy
10-26-2009, 08:53 PM
When we shipped him out, I distinctly remember asking if Mo was bringing someone in, otherwise, what was the point of shipping him out and making an already weak back line weaker?

Apparently Marshall really liked it in Toronto too...such a shame.

Super
10-26-2009, 09:00 PM
When we shipped him out, I distinctly remember asking if Mo was bringing someone in, otherwise, what was the point of shipping him out and making an already weak back line weaker?

Apparently Marshall really liked it in Toronto too...such a shame.

Instead, Marshall is now enjoying the play-offs. I'm sure he's happy with the trade today.

FluSH
10-26-2009, 09:04 PM
When we shipped him out, I distinctly remember asking if Mo was bringing someone in, otherwise, what was the point of shipping him out and making an already weak back line weaker?

Apparently Marshall really liked it in Toronto too...such a shame.

A large Jamaican community... I'm hoping he liked it! :D

P.S. I just saw the Game in Six minutes... I don't recommend for anyone to do this... it was an awful reminder... and hey we are still gving up goals in the last 15 minutes!!! lol

johnmolinaro
10-26-2009, 09:06 PM
Based on what I`ve heard tonight, I wouldn`t be surprised if Cummins is still coach after tomorrow. that can change between now and then, though.

John
http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro

Oldtimer
10-26-2009, 09:07 PM
Fact is Mo still has a LOT more to do with the team than people think in regards to decsions etc

JC, CC both did/do not feel 100% comfortable working with the man and talking to players i know at the club i have heard the word snake when talking about Mo many times.

(Still wanna see how Mo is gonna act when DeRo is ready to ask for more money since Mo told DeRo he would be DP) snake movements.......

Funny... when looking at Mo's actions this book has come to mind several times:

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51AQ3DMSNSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

You're the first I know to use the "snake" word here. It seems appropriate. I wouldn'tn trust the man. He would throw his own mum under the bus to save his skin.

Darlofletch
10-26-2009, 09:09 PM
He's going to stay? does he have promises in writing this time?
MLSE and Mo want him back?

(talking about j-mo's twitter, not oldtimer's book)

FluSH
10-26-2009, 09:10 PM
Based on what I`ve heard tonight, I wouldn`t be surprised if Cummins is still coach after tomorrow. that can change between now and then, though.

John
http://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro

Probably keeping Cummins silent until he has left for England...

Roogsy
10-26-2009, 09:15 PM
Instead, Marshall is now enjoying the play-offs. I'm sure he's happy with the trade today.

I meant a shame for us. A player who wanted to be here! I personally did not make this point, but I remember several on this board commenting that they think Marshall would be more than capable at CB if he was paired with someone decent. I guess we will ever know, but I would have to think that this belief at the time would now be proven true had he been given the chance.

It seems many players we have cast off have now found greener pastures elsewhere. It is definitely beginning to seem like the problem isn't the players...it is the culture at this team. So the solution then isn't changing more players...is it?

Super
10-26-2009, 09:23 PM
I meant a shame for us. A player who wanted to be here! I personally did not make this point, but I remember several on this board commenting that they think Marshall would be more than capable at CB if he was paired with someone decent. I guess we will ever know, but I would have to think that this belief at the time would now be proven true had he been given the chance.

It seems many players we have cast off have now found greener pastures elsewhere. It is definitely beginning to seem like the problem isn't the players...it is the culture at this team. So the solution then isn't changing more players...is it?

Oh - I'm with you on that one. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but our loss is Seattle's gain. We have to stop making stupid mistakes like these if we want any chance of being competitive - 5 year plan or otherwise.

Sea Tac Sounder
10-27-2009, 03:14 AM
Apparently Marshall really liked it in Toronto too...such a shame.

He loves it here in Seattle too.

Nuvinho
10-27-2009, 09:24 AM
twits


johnston_tfc (http://twitter.com/johnston_tfc) Toronto FC do not renew contract if interim coach Chris Cummins. Good luck, CC.

v00d00daddy
10-27-2009, 09:30 AM
http://www.mlsnet.com//news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20091027&content_id=7557648&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

Fushida
10-27-2009, 09:33 AM
http://www.mlsnet.com//news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20091027&content_id=7557648&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

Best of luck to CC. But what a relief :rolleyes:

fdasilva
10-27-2009, 09:34 AM
Well, you might as well change the title of this thread to "Cummins Gone! - Official"

What a shocker though.

Hustle
10-27-2009, 09:37 AM
http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/chili/files/2009/09/thrown_under_the_bus.jpg
Chris Cummins ^. Another one bites the dust.

canadian_bhoy
10-27-2009, 09:37 AM
TFC should have been looking for a new head coach ever since Carver left. They have known for weeks that Cummins would be gone.

If they don't have a great head coach next season, it is unacceptable.

denime
10-27-2009, 09:38 AM
Well, you might as well change the title of this thread to "Cummins Gone! - Official"

What a shocker though.
changed already ;)

billyfly
10-27-2009, 09:40 AM
Oh the difference one letter makes, eh?

olegunnar
10-27-2009, 09:42 AM
TFC should have been looking for a new head coach ever since Carver left. They have known for weeks that Cummins would be gone.

If they don't have a great head coach next season, it is unacceptable.

Thats what I don't understand.
Why the Feb 1 deadline...haven't they been looking for months already?
A well run operation would have. A well run operation would have a list ready and as soon as Carver got fired they'd be on the phone to the agents.

There's only one acceptable reason that a new coach isn't being announced this week...and that would be that his team is still playing.

mastermixer
10-27-2009, 09:50 AM
What good coach would want to come in here and not be able to select his own team? What good coach wants to have african trialists come in the middle of the season and injure his starters?

Pigfynn
10-27-2009, 09:53 AM
There is no way that Steve Nicol or Arena or any of the decent MLS coaches would be willing to operate in the current environment at this club. We will get a lackey.

Beach_Red
10-27-2009, 10:10 AM
There is no way that Steve Nicol or Arena or any of the decent MLS coaches would be willing to operate in the current environment at this club. We will get a lackey.


Yes, most likely. At what position in this organization do you think the lackeys end?

mastermixer
10-27-2009, 10:15 AM
Its not going to be easy to find a good coach that wants to be in the middle of this mess and at the same time Mo breathing on his neck.

Section 117
10-27-2009, 10:17 AM
Someone wrote that a current MLS coach has already turned down the offer I wonder if that was Steve Nichol????

Good luck in the future CC it wasn't your fault that you got screwed by MoJo

keem-o-sabi
10-27-2009, 10:19 AM
you have to get a coach that knows MLS. Speaking with the RedBulls staff this weekend at our meetings down there, they were discussing their coaching position, the guy that is now in charge of all of footballing for RedBull (all the teams they own) met with MLS and came to that realization too. It's just too different of a set-up than what euro's are used to. Mariner was that man, too bad he's gone to England now. Maybe John Spencer?

Yes when I say Euro's won't work here and then mention 2 guys from across the pond, I mean guys who have no experience as either a player or coach in the league previously. Look how many guys have failed coming in from other countries with no MLS experience. It doesn't matter how much 'big time' experience they have had. We need someone that knows the frustrations that MLS can bring and can work within the system to make this enjoyable for us to watch.

We were close to being what RedBull was last year. A bad team that made the playoffs. They thought down there that oh we made the final, we don't have to change much and we all saw how that turned out this year. So hopefully this is a turning point.

Gobi
10-27-2009, 10:22 AM
Cashcleaner wrote:
I think technical support needs to be notified. It appears that the bottom half of the article has disappeared. You know, the part where Mo announces his resignation in addition to Cummins departure. Let's get someone from the IT Department on that, alright?
10/27/2009 11:02:37 AM


LOL Cashy!

Nice one.

CoachGT
10-27-2009, 10:33 AM
Someone wrote that a current MLS coach has already turned down the offer I wonder if that was Steve Nichol????

Good luck in the future CC it wasn't your fault that you got screwed by MoJo

Apparently Nicol still has a couple of years left on his contract. One might speculate that is why Mariner took his leave. I wondered whether it was someone who was here recently, a Canadian who has the helm of another club that had a tough year...........

S_D
10-27-2009, 10:39 AM
Apparently Nicol still has a couple of years left on his contract. One might speculate that is why Mariner took his leave. I wondered whether it was someone who was here recently, a Canadian who has the helm of another club that had a tough year...........

Contracts can be bought out. Considering he is working for the Krafts he is probably being underpaid.

If he had any sense he wouldn't touch TFC with a 10 foot pole until Anselmi announces that "Mo has decided to pursue other options".

Carts
10-27-2009, 10:46 AM
MOJO Quote... We have decided to move forward without Chris for next season," said manager, director of soccer Mo Johnston. "We want to thank Chris for his contribution to the club over the last year and a half, and wish him all the best in the future. For us, the work now begins on finding a new coach, and getting him in here before pre-season starts February 1st."

Sweet Jesus man... I think getting him in ASAP should be the damn goal...!!!

Carts...

Beach_Red
10-27-2009, 10:59 AM
Contracts can be bought out. Considering he is working for the Krafts he is probably being underpaid.

If he had any sense he wouldn't touch TFC with a 10 foot pole until Anselmi announces that "Mo has decided to pursue other options".

It's the prefect job, though. All the ownership really care about is their NFL team - which has actually won something so they have some idea what they're doing. Would you leave that to come to MLSE?

Ossington Mental Youth
10-27-2009, 11:00 AM
its gonna be a long offseaon and a longer 4th season

brad
10-27-2009, 11:08 AM
MOJO Quote... We have decided to move forward without Chris for next season," said manager, director of soccer Mo Johnston. "We want to thank Chris for his contribution to the club over the last year and a half, and wish him all the best in the future. For us, the work now begins on finding a new coach, and getting him in here before pre-season starts February 1st."

Sweet Jesus man... I think getting him in ASAP should be the damn goal...!!!

Carts...

It would be, if the coach was responsible for the playing personal. Clear sign that MoJo is going to identify and buy the players that he thinks we need.

Big problem there. This should be the coaches call.

Oldtimer
10-27-2009, 11:17 AM
MOJO Quote... We have decided to move forward without Chris for next season," said manager, director of soccer Mo Johnston. "We want to thank Chris for his contribution to the club over the last year and a half, and wish him all the best in the future. For us, the work now begins on finding a new coach, and getting him in here before pre-season starts February 1st."



He will only be in by February 1 because MoJo has to travel to Brazil in December on a scouting trip to look for a coach over there.

:rolleyes:

JamboAl
10-27-2009, 11:25 AM
He will only be in by February 1 because MoJo has to travel to Brazil in December on a scouting trip to look for a coach over there.

:rolleyes:

We're getting the "Gene Hackman" (Luis Felipe Scolari). You heard it here first. :D

Lucky Strike
10-27-2009, 11:29 AM
It would be, if the coach was responsible for the playing personal. Clear sign that MoJo is going to identify and buy the players that he thinks we need.

Big problem there. This should be the coaches call.

THAT'S scary. In fact, Mo should already have a pretty good idea of who he wants to hire. And actually have a backup plan in case the first one fails. See entry: Tyrone Marshall trade.

K1nG
10-28-2009, 03:05 PM
What good coach would want to come in here and not be able to select his own team? What good coach wants to have african trialists come in the middle of the season and injure his starters?
well said. The new coach should also take over as GM, or at least any of the the GM responsibilities surrounding player selection. I can see MoJo hiring a coach who will be happy with long ball chasing British scrubs.