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denime
08-19-2009, 04:59 AM
Mornin'


TFC coach Cummins not concerned about road woes (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/08/18/sp-torontofc-cummins-road.html)


Frei full of praise for defence (http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090818&content_id=6481088&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280)



SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/)

drek
08-19-2009, 06:09 AM
Mornin D'

31 yr old Soccer mom eh

Pookie
08-19-2009, 06:11 AM
John Molinaro's commentary is a little misleading, perhaps for the dramatic purpose of trying to paint a negative picture of road performance (or attempting to make Cummins appear to be disingenuous and/or clueless).

He states:

(Cummins) "Nine points in nine games, a point per game. It's not bad, is it?"

Well, in fact, nine points out of a possible 27 on the road is bad, even by MLS standards where all but three of the league's 15 teams have a losing road record this season.

If you look at road records by points you'll see the following:

Chicago - 22
LA - 18
Houston - 15
Columbus - 14
Chivas - 11
Seattle - 10
TFC - 9
United - 9
Revs - 9
KC - 9
Colorado - 9
RSL - 5
Dallas - 5
SJ - 2
NYRB - 1

... Toronto sits 7th in that table and has played fewer road games than any of the teams who have earned more points on the road.


He also made it a point to highlight that "Toronto has conceded a whopping 20 goals on the road (compared to just 11 at home)."

This is true but only half the picture. If you arranged the standings by Away goal differential, this is what you get:

Chicago +7
LA +4
Houston +1
Columbus +1
Seattle -4
Chivas -4
TFC -5
Colorado -5
KC -6
United -7
Dallas -7
Revs -9
RSL -9
SJ -13
NYRB -21

... Again, 7th in that table. I concur with Molinaro in that earning results on the road is going to be key to making the playoffs.

I disagree with his selective use of stats to characterize Cummins as out of touch.

In fact, stats actually back up Cummins' comment that their record is "not bad."

http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/

scooter
08-19-2009, 06:56 AM
mornin d

Eastend
08-19-2009, 07:12 AM
HEY, stop making my week seem longer....it is WEDNESDAY today......oh and morning.

CoachGT
08-19-2009, 07:19 AM
Morning all.

Regardless of past road performance, we need points if we are to make the playoffs. And in this league few teams ever look good on the road. Good analysis Pookie.

Wagner
08-19-2009, 07:23 AM
Mornin D'

31 yr old Soccer mom eh

she's another example of the cheap lighting/photography that the Sun uses...if she had better production, i'm sure she'd be even better.

CoachGT
08-19-2009, 07:29 AM
Deja vu. It seems that a similar article about playoff chances was written in today's Salt Lake paper. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705324432,00.html

Interesting to see the perspective from somewhere else.

keem-o-sabi
08-19-2009, 07:30 AM
Coed Girls...no cheap lighting here 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/category/girls/miss-coed/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/category/girls/daily-snapshot-girls-2/)

Kaz
08-19-2009, 07:34 AM
I can't believe that CBC article it's obvious who asked Cummins about the road record now.. what an assy article.

we have 6 more road games this season, (one against the red bulls) if we can pick up 6 points from them and 6-7 points from the 3 remaining home games, that would be ok It would make the playoff race tight. I'd love to see 8 points. 5 from all but the red bulls and 3 from the bulls, and 7 points from the remaining home games. ... (as tough as that might be)

flatpicker
08-19-2009, 08:02 AM
was this blog posted?

Reds Rookies Still Raw (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/2009/08/reds_rookies_are_still_raw.html) by Nigel Reed

Alan Hansen has never been allowed to live it down. His bold, but flawed prophecy that: “You’ll never win anything with kids” is now the stuff of football folklore....

read more... (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/2009/08/reds_rookies_are_still_raw.html)

Beach_Red
08-19-2009, 08:05 AM
Deja vu. It seems that a similar article about playoff chances was written in today's Salt Lake paper. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705324432,00.html

Interesting to see the perspective from somewhere else.

Yes, interestig perspective. Though some of it sounds very familiar:

Realistic: RSL's inability to win on the road, not to mention a few wins slipping with late goals, finally catches up with the club as it finishes with 38 points and misses the playoffs.

I like this part:

Oct. 17 — at Toronto FC

Optimistic: On a chilly night in Canada, RSL knows a tie is good enough and that's exactly how the match plays out. Draw.

Realistic: Capitalizing on a raucous home crowd eager to see Toronto secure its first playoff berth in franchise history, the home side puts RSL under pressure from the opening minute and rolls to victory. Loss.

CoachGT
08-19-2009, 08:28 AM
^ I like that too!

DOMIN8R
08-19-2009, 08:31 AM
Giving TFC a Brazilian

http://yorkies1812.blogspot.com/2009/08/giving-tfc-brazilian.html

rocker
08-19-2009, 09:03 AM
J
... Again, 7th in that table. I concur with Molinaro in that earning results on the road is going to be key to making the playoffs.

I disagree with his selective use of stats to characterize Cummins as out of touch.

In fact, stats actually back up Cummins' comment that their record is "not bad."

yes, you are correct on your assessment. Of course, whatever Cummins would have said, Molinaro would still have written that article in exactly the same way. The questions were asked just to have some quotations for his firm opinions. But your analysis presents a nice counterpoint that probably he never gave thought to.... one track mind, I guess.

The Professor
08-19-2009, 09:05 AM
Coed Girls...no cheap lighting here 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/category/girls/daily-snapshot-girls-2/)

TFC made an offer to Van Dijk?!

flatpicker
08-19-2009, 09:11 AM
Coed Girls...no cheap lighting here 1 (http://coedmagazine.com/category/girls/miss-coed/) and 2 (http://coedmagazine.com/category/girls/daily-snapshot-girls-2/)


I'm not quite sure why there is a picture of a 16 year old actress on that list of snapshots on the second link.

Darlofletch
08-19-2009, 09:39 AM
Giving TFC a Brazilian

http://yorkies1812.blogspot.com/2009/08/giving-tfc-brazilian.html

amusing article, particularly their description of mo's duties.

I really liked a lot of the tshirts that they have a link to from that page as well.

Darlofletch
08-19-2009, 09:41 AM
John Molinaro's commentary is a little misleading, perhaps for the dramatic purpose of trying to paint a negative picture of road performance (or attempting to make Cummins appear to be disingenuous and/or clueless).

He states:

(Cummins) "Nine points in nine games, a point per game. It's not bad, is it?"

Well, in fact, nine points out of a possible 27 on the road is bad, even by MLS standards where all but three of the league's 15 teams have a losing road record this season.

If you look at road records by points you'll see the following:

Chicago - 22
LA - 18
Houston - 15
Columbus - 14
Chivas - 11
Seattle - 10
TFC - 9
United - 9
Revs - 9
KC - 9
Colorado - 9
RSL - 5
Dallas - 5
SJ - 2
NYRB - 1

... Toronto sits 7th in that table and has played fewer road games than any of the teams who have earned more points on the road.


He also made it a point to highlight that "Toronto has conceded a whopping 20 goals on the road (compared to just 11 at home)."

This is true but only half the picture. If you arranged the standings by Away goal differential, this is what you get:

Chicago +7
LA +4
Houston +1
Columbus +1
Seattle -4
Chivas -4
TFC -5
Colorado -5
KC -6
United -7
Dallas -7
Revs -9
RSL -9
SJ -13
NYRB -21

... Again, 7th in that table. I concur with Molinaro in that earning results on the road is going to be key to making the playoffs.

I disagree with his selective use of stats to characterize Cummins as out of touch.

In fact, stats actually back up Cummins' comment that their record is "not bad."

http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/

not to belabour a really obvious point, but sham-wow! the red bulls really are shite.

Suds
08-19-2009, 10:10 AM
John Molinaro's commentary is a little misleading, perhaps for the dramatic purpose of trying to paint a negative picture of road performance (or attempting to make Cummins appear to be disingenuous and/or clueless).

He states:

(Cummins) "Nine points in nine games, a point per game. It's not bad, is it?"

Well, in fact, nine points out of a possible 27 on the road is bad, even by MLS standards where all but three of the league's 15 teams have a losing road record this season.

If you look at road records by points you'll see the following:

Chicago - 22
LA - 18
Houston - 15
Columbus - 14
Chivas - 11
Seattle - 10
TFC - 9
United - 9
Revs - 9
KC - 9
Colorado - 9
RSL - 5
Dallas - 5
SJ - 2
NYRB - 1

... Toronto sits 7th in that table and has played fewer road games than any of the teams who have earned more points on the road.


He also made it a point to highlight that "Toronto has conceded a whopping 20 goals on the road (compared to just 11 at home)."

This is true but only half the picture. If you arranged the standings by Away goal differential, this is what you get:

Chicago +7
LA +4
Houston +1
Columbus +1
Seattle -4
Chivas -4
TFC -5
Colorado -5
KC -6
United -7
Dallas -7
Revs -9
RSL -9
SJ -13
NYRB -21

... Again, 7th in that table. I concur with Molinaro in that earning results on the road is going to be key to making the playoffs.

I disagree with his selective use of stats to characterize Cummins as out of touch.

In fact, stats actually back up Cummins' comment that their record is "not bad."

http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/


Sorry to disagree. 9 Points out of a possible 27 is not good any way you slice the numbers. Neither is a - 5 goal difference. All your numbers prove is to date we are less crappy on the road than the other crappy road teams. Not a ringing endorsement in my mind.

We need to be in that top 4 of road teams and have a positive goal difference on the road to have a much better chance of making the playoffs.

Now, after this road swing the stats above could be very different (positive or negative). The fact is we have to be a much better team on the road from now on if we want to make the playoffs. I do not believe maintaining the current road stats will get us there. When I read John Molinaro's article, that is the gist of what I think he was getting at.

Redcoe15
08-19-2009, 10:45 AM
THREE STRAIGHT DAYS OF SMOKIN' HOT COED 2s!!!!! :yum: :drool5: :hump: :D
:flare:

Stouffville_RPB
08-19-2009, 10:47 AM
TFC made an offer to Van Dijk?!

I made an offer to her. :D

It was refused. :(

Kaz
08-19-2009, 11:18 AM
Sorry to disagree. 9 Points out of a possible 27 is not good any way you slice the numbers. Neither is a - 5 goal difference. All your numbers prove is to date we are less crappy on the road than the other crappy road teams. Not a ringing endorsement in my mind.

We need to be in that top 4 of road teams and have a positive goal difference on the road to have a much better chance of making the playoffs.

Now, after this road swing the stats above could be very different (positive or negative). The fact is we have to be a much better team on the road from now on if we want to make the playoffs. I do not believe maintaining the current road stats will get us there. When I read John Molinaro's article, that is the gist of what I think he was getting at.

West Ham picked up 5 wins on the road out of 19.
And 10 points with 2 wins in their first 9 away games. (-2)
Fullum had 12 points after 9 games, with 3 wins, (-1) (should mention that no goals were scored in 5 of the 9)
Spurs had 8 points after 9 games with only 2 wins. (-6)

Stop comparing TFC with the Big Four in the EPL, ours is an average record for where we are in the standings. Cummins isn't saying its great, its saying its ok, and its a record going in the right direction.

Toronto's issue has been being scored on too much... Which is much more issues with the back line, that is being worked on. at least in my opinion

Pookie
08-19-2009, 12:22 PM
We need to be in that top 4 of road teams and have a positive goal difference on the road to have a much better chance of making the playoffs.

Ok, if this is the goal note the following:

(Away Games Played) and Road Points

Chicago (12) - 22
LA (11) - 18
Houston (12) - 15
Columbus (11) - 14
Chivas (10) - 11
Seattle (10) - 10
Toronto (9) - 9

Simply winning the away games in hand moves us up the table into "top 4"


The fact is we have to be a much better team on the road from now on if we want to make the playoffs. I do not believe maintaining the current road stats will get us there.

Agreed


When I read John Molinaro's article, that is the gist of what I think he was getting at.

I could buy that. He didn't need didn't to belittle Cummins with untrue statements.

Suds
08-19-2009, 01:30 PM
West Ham picked up 5 wins on the road out of 19.
And 10 points with 2 wins in their first 9 away games. (-2)
Fullum had 12 points after 9 games, with 3 wins, (-1) (should mention that no goals were scored in 5 of the 9)
Spurs had 8 points after 9 games with only 2 wins. (-6)

Stop comparing TFC with the Big Four in the EPL, ours is an average record for where we are in the standings. Cummins isn't saying its great, its saying its ok, and its a record going in the right direction.

Toronto's issue has been being scored on too much... Which is much more issues with the back line, that is being worked on. at least in my opinion

Where in my post did I mention anything about the EPL??? (edited my previous post .. having a bad day .. a bit harsh :o) The top 4 refers to the top 4 in the MLS stats provided by Pookie.

Suds
08-19-2009, 01:39 PM
Ok, if this is the goal note the following:

(Away Games Played) and Road Points

Chicago (12) - 22
LA (11) - 18
Houston (12) - 15
Columbus (11) - 14
Chivas (10) - 11
Seattle (10) - 10
Toronto (9) - 9

Simply winning the away games in hand moves us up the table into "top 4


I agree. We need to be in the top 4 in that list. That is why this 3 games away is crucial to our playoff hopes.

Kaz
08-19-2009, 03:52 PM
Where in my post did I mention anything about the EPL??? (edited my previous post .. having a bad day .. a bit harsh :o) The top 4 refers to the top 4 in the MLS stats provided by Pookie.

The only teams that have records you are talking about are usually the top 4 in any league. (ment to delete the EPL reference)

Our record is actually average and when compared with other teams in this or any other league perfectly acceptable. for the first 9 away matches of a season.

Our goal differential is horrid, we have let too many goals in this year. We've been scoring really well 15 away goals in 9 games iirc. but 20 conceded.

We've been in need of a stronger back line. and I don't think we'll see it this year.

But again our record is actually normal for the position we are in, and the away games played.