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werewolf
07-31-2009, 10:52 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=664417&cc=5901


FC Dallas announced Friday that forward Kenny Cooper has been transferred to German second division side TSV 1860 Munich pending a medical examination. Per club policy, terms of the deal were not announced.


"Kenny has been an outstanding player for us over the last four seasons as well as a tremendous ambassador for FC Dallas in his time with the club, and we wish him the best in Munich," said general manager Michael Hitchcock in a press release. "Kenny indicated to us that he wanted to return to Europe when his contract expired next year. The timing of this transfer allows Kenny to continue his career overseas while providing our club with valuable resources for new acquisitions."

Cooper joined FC Dallas on Feb. 6, 2006 from Manchester United and was voted the team's most valuable player last season. He scored 40 goals in 93 appearances for Dallas. TSV 1860 Munich finished 12th in the Bundesliga 2 2008-09 season.

"I would like to thank the Hunt family, my teammates and everyone at FC Dallas for everything over the last four years," Cooper said in a press release. "To all of the wonderful fans, thank you so much for your support. I feel so privileged to have had the opportunity to play for my hometown team, in the same city where my father played for 11 years."
I feel kinda bad for him, hopefully he isn't in 3. bundesliga after this season...

;)

billyfly
07-31-2009, 10:54 AM
Good. One less pain in TFC's side.

trane
07-31-2009, 11:00 AM
He is a quality striker, I new he would be back in Europe sooner rather then later. Best striker in the MLS for my money.

colman1860
07-31-2009, 11:08 AM
I am literally jizzing!

There were rumours about Connor Casey and I was praying they were false...logged in to 1860 message boards today and saw the Cooper news. So happy (for TFC aswell...he always killed us). Should be good for 10-12 goals in the 2. BL, methinks.

trane
07-31-2009, 11:11 AM
^ Yeah, I think so. He is trully a good striker he can score in any league. Clearly he had an easier time in light of the"quality" of MLS CBs. But he has the tools.

Bobo
07-31-2009, 11:25 AM
He is a quality striker, I new he would be back in Europe sooner rather then later. Best striker in the MLS for my money.

Agreed, must be the calcio in us. Was probably my favourite player not playing for TFC.

trane
07-31-2009, 11:33 AM
^ Must be. He was mine as well.

C.Ronaldo
07-31-2009, 11:36 AM
amazing player, so big strong and fast

Phil
07-31-2009, 11:48 AM
Good. One less pain in TFC's side.

My thoughts exactly.... its too bad we have finished up with them for this season.

Corpand
07-31-2009, 11:48 AM
He will fit well in there, I can see the likes of Hoffenheim picking him up if he really shines there.

NF-FC
07-31-2009, 12:03 PM
any word on the fee?

Chevy
07-31-2009, 12:29 PM
He's a monster. Glad he's gone. My guess on the fee is between $2-$3 Million.

darb
07-31-2009, 12:43 PM
He's a monster. Glad he's gone. My guess on the fee is between $2-$3 Million.

That seems a little steep of a transfer fee for 1860, but they did make a bunch on a few younger players leaving in the past few months. This is the first time in months that I've believed in their promotion to the 1. BL as opposed to their demotion to the 3. Let's see if Stevic has another few positive moves in him.

MartinUtd
07-31-2009, 01:38 PM
Wasn't 1860 a top tier team in Germany? Did they pull a Leeds or something?

koryo
07-31-2009, 01:47 PM
"If you shagged Fraulein Cooper clap your hands..."

colman1860
07-31-2009, 02:57 PM
Wasn't 1860 a top tier team in Germany? Did they pull a Leeds or something?

They got relegated in '04, then narrowly missed promotion the following year, and have fallen into the 9-12 region of the standings since then. Their financial situation is a catastrophe, not least because they are renting a stadium from Bayern which is far too big for them and which is despised (and often avoided) by a majority of the fans.

Darb - I know, eh? Since Stevic/Lienen came, things have really been looking up. I'm confident that some of the guys they got (Felhi, Ludwig, Lovin, Ignjovski, and now Cooper) are going to turn out to be real hidden gems - the preseason has certainly looked promising (1-1 vs Citeh, 1-0 vs RCD Mallorca).

PS are you registered/do you go on loewenforum.de?

kaos197O
07-31-2009, 03:24 PM
Goodbye and Good Riddance, nearly half of the goals he scored the last 2 seasons came against us so........

He'll bury penalty kicks for sure but he hasn't score too awful many goals during the normal run of play. Personally I can't stand him and am very happy to see him go. Hope he's not back as soon as I think he may be!

ensco
07-31-2009, 03:45 PM
Bad for us.

Teams we are competing against for playoff position have games left against Dallas (KC has two), but TFC doesn't.

Yohan
07-31-2009, 03:47 PM
dont worry. jeff cunningham will step it up for FC Dallas :D

(actually, he does have 2 games where he scored a brace lately)

Roogsy
08-01-2009, 09:46 AM
I agree with the people here who don't really view this as a plus for TFC. We already played them and he's burned us twice.

Dallas is writing off the season. That is what this indicates. And they still have KC, Columbus, DC and New England to play!

Guys...this is BAD NEWS for us!

I am not happy. We need Dallas to take points from them and without Cooper they are as flacid as a 90 year old porn star.

prizby
08-01-2009, 10:01 AM
too bad we already played dallas!

boban
08-01-2009, 12:02 PM
I agree with the people here who don't really view this as a plus for TFC. We already played them and he's burned us twice.

Dallas is writing off the season. That is what this indicates. And they still have KC, Columbus, DC and New England to play!

Guys...this is BAD NEWS for us!

I am not happy. We need Dallas to take points from them and without Cooper they are as flacid as a 90 year old porn star.
Can't be too worried about what others do.
Worry about your own shit.

Roogsy
08-01-2009, 12:53 PM
That's putting your head in the sand.

Of course we have to worry about our own performance.

But to think the performance of others, or any advantage they may have doesn't affect us is just deluded.

boban
08-01-2009, 02:00 PM
That's putting your head in the sand.

Of course we have to worry about our own performance.

But to think the performance of others, or any advantage they may have doesn't affect us is just deluded.
Like I said, can't be too worried.
At the end of the day you win your games, who cares of other teams at that point.

S_D
08-01-2009, 05:10 PM
As a TFC fan all I can say is good riddance. As a fan of MLS, it is a shame that we can't keep our stars.

Yes I know that we are a selling league, and the revenue generated is good for the league and Dallas, but still it is a shame.

As for the implications of no other teams having to face him, well there is nothing that can be done about so TFC, lets see you control your own destiny and win some games. Tonight would be a great start.

troy1982
08-02-2009, 10:56 AM
dont worry. jeff cunningham will step it up for FC Dallas :D

(actually, he does have 2 games where he scored a brace lately)

he scored 4 goal last night

Dirk Diggler
08-02-2009, 11:51 AM
dont worry. jeff cunningham will step it up for FC Dallas :D

(actually, he does have 2 games where he scored a brace lately)

LOL ... tremendous foresight ...

Carts
08-02-2009, 12:25 PM
Bad news for us - as Dallas won't take as many points away from our competition...

Bad news for the MLS - as a quality striker has chosen a 2nd tier league over the MLS...

Good news for Cooper (I guess) - he must have wanted to go...

Carts...

The Kingpin
08-02-2009, 12:53 PM
The league sells more than it buys...

ExiledRed
08-02-2009, 01:02 PM
The league sells more than it buys...

True.

It's fine tuned for making a quick buck by excising homegrown talent, while (salary) handicapping every team's ability to buy equal or better talent from other leagues.

The Kingpin
08-02-2009, 01:07 PM
True.

It's fine tuned for making a quick buck by excising homegrown talent, while (salary) handicapping every team's ability to buy equal or better talent from other leagues.

True. It's a bit tough. It's as if all transfers should be spread between all teams to make it abundantly fair. I want great/good players to be attracted to the MLS, not anything half decent to be extracted.

Yohan
08-02-2009, 07:44 PM
LOL ... tremendous foresight ...
8 goals in 4 league games for cunty

qu'est-ce que fuck?

Shakes McQueen
08-02-2009, 08:11 PM
Good luck to him. He's a hell of a striker.

- Scott

Dirk Diggler
08-02-2009, 08:54 PM
8 goals in 4 league games for cunty

qu'est-ce que fuck?

He always had it in him I think ... isn't the leading scorer in the league's history for nothing ... just didn't want to play in Toronto it seems for one reason or another.

Yohan
08-02-2009, 09:05 PM
He always had it in him I think ... isn't the leading scorer in the league's history for nothing ... just didn't want to play in Toronto it seems for one reason or another.
i believe he's 3rd in MLS all time leader. just passed Jason kreis with that 4 goal effort

Anton Razov is pretty much non existent in Chivas and Jaime Moreno seems to only score on penalties nowadays. So yeah, I can see Cunty being MLS all time leading scorer

Dirk Diggler
08-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Oops ... thought Jason Kreis was the leading scorer. Completely forgot about Jaime Moreno. He does primarily score on penalties these days. Didn't even think that Razov would be the second leading scorer though ... used to be a solid striker the year TFC came in remember.

colman1860
08-09-2009, 08:25 AM
Matchday 1: TSV 1860 Muenchen 2 - 0 TuS Koblenz.

1:0 Kenny Cooper (17.)
2:0 Benny Lauth (62.)

The Benny + Kenny partnership is looking good so far :)

darb
08-09-2009, 08:33 AM
Matchday 1: TSV 1860 Muenchen 2 - 0 TuS Koblenz.

1:0 Kenny Cooper (17.)
2:0 Benny Lauth (62.)

The Benny + Kenny partnership is looking good so far :)

Great start to the campaign for 1860! Benny and Kenny on target spells good things to come for 1860. Did you watch the game or just follow it on Kicker? I'm considering loewenTV but I believe the games aren't live. Any tips?

colman1860
08-09-2009, 12:47 PM
Great start to the campaign for 1860! Benny and Kenny on target spells good things to come for 1860. Did you watch the game or just follow it on Kicker? I'm considering loewenTV but I believe the games aren't live. Any tips?

I watched the whole game on ustream today.

http://www.loewenfreun.de/loewenforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19482&page=15

The link in this thread posted by BlueJoe had the whole game in pretty good quality. Basically, what I do is go to loewenforum and go to the game thread 5 mins before kickoff...somebody always posts a stream link. If we're unlucky, we only get Konferenz, but usually they have the full game. The problem this year is that bwin doesnt show games anymore, but it looks like people are willing to put up streams from elsewhere.

S_D
08-09-2009, 02:14 PM
Just found an interesting topic on Big Soccer about the transfer:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1123504


http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=4978

Before 1860 Munich moved in, Cooper was close to a deal to move back to England with Championship club Bristol City, but that accord apparently fell apart over MLS' insistence that the player sign over his right to ten percent of the transfer fee, a percentage guaranteed by FIFA bylaws. A deal that would have sent Cooper to Norwegian side Rosenberg last summer also fell apart over Cooper's refusal to sign over his portion of the fee.

MLS' stinginess over players' share of transfer fees was not directed solely at Cooper, it turns out. Nearly every player to leave MLS, with the exception of Brad Guzan, has reportedly been convinced to give up their portion of the fee.

That is screwed up.

So what they are saying is you can't leave (we won't sell you) unless you give up your 10%? The CBA agreement allows for negotiation/ agreement between player and MLS to waive their rights for their 10% cut, but for them to refuse to sell you unless you waive the 10% sounds messed up to me.

It certainly makes MLS look like a mickey mouse league. And I wonder what the longer term ramifications are.

Some thoughts:

1) If you are good you just leave for Europe and develop in their system rather than get lots of playing time in MLS. We already see this happening but payscale probably has a lot to do with it.

2) If you are a promising youth, why would you want to sign a longer term contract? Sign for a year at a time, and when a team comes calling you can just tell them to wait until the end of the season and get you for free, just pay me more since you won't have to pay for a transfer. MLS may refuse to sell you based on their insistence of their 10%, but they would risk their 10% for getting nothing at the end of the year.

3) If you are sold for 1,000,000 and they won't give you the 100K, it is probably close to or a lot more than you are making now and could certainly make up for the shortfall in previous salary.

4) Certainly looks like a dis-incentive for foreign players to come here.

Canary Canuck
08-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Just found an interesting topic on Big Soccer about the transfer:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1123504


http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=4978


That is screwed up.

So what they are saying is you can't leave (we won't sell you) unless you give up your 10%? The CBA agreement allows for negotiation/ agreement between player and MLS to waive their rights for their 10% cut, but for them to refuse to sell you unless you waive the 10% sounds messed up to me.

It certainly makes MLS look like a mickey mouse league. And I wonder what the longer term ramifications are.

Some thoughts:

1) If you are good you just leave for Europe and develop in their system rather than get lots of playing time in MLS. We already see this happening but payscale probably has a lot to do with it.

2) If you are a promising youth, why would you want to sign a longer term contract? Sign for a year at a time, and when a team comes calling you can just tell them to wait until the end of the season and get you for free, just pay me more since you won't have to pay for a transfer. MLS may refuse to sell you based on their insistence of their 10%, but they would risk their 10% for getting nothing at the end of the year.

3) If you are sold for 1,000,000 and they won't give you the 100K, it is probably close to or a lot more than you are making now and could certainly make up for the shortfall in previous salary.

4) Certainly looks like a dis-incentive for foreign players to come here.

MLS has been incredibly stingy and has screwed over so many players. Look at Sacha Kljestan. Celtic offered 2 million. MLS wanted 3.5 plus a big sell-on clause. Same thing with Shalrie Joseph. Celtic made three different offers for him with the final offer of 2.5 million if I remember correctly. The league are making unrealistic valuations and holding back players' careers.

They've even screwed players over after they've been sold. One thing many people don't realize about the Freddy Adu transfer to Benfica was the appearances clause. MLS got 2 million up front and another 4 million if he made 20 appearances. It's no coincidence that he's only made 19 appearances. He played well in the chances he got and fans were calling for him to start. Problem was that Benfica didn't want to pay another 4 million so that screwed him over huge.

I say good on Cooper for holding out