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fdasilva
07-22-2009, 08:45 PM
This game just cements Velez's place on the first team and the captain's armband, as well as our primary penalty taker.

Yohan
07-22-2009, 08:48 PM
Gerba's penalty is one of the sweetest penalties I've seen. No run up. Just a powerful, well placed shot

Also demonstrates his quick shooting technique. Very nice

TFCWEST
07-22-2009, 08:50 PM
How did Gerba & Obrian White play tonight? I missed most of it.

pekduck
07-22-2009, 08:51 PM
gerba's PK was a monster one...
like... no run up, split second, top corner....

it was like an executioner chopping off the head, swift, smooth, simple cut, no bullshit kinda of PK.. lol

gracos
07-22-2009, 08:54 PM
i did like Gerbas pk, just wonderin why our midfielders didnt take them before our defenders, im sorry but a defender really the only oppurtunity they have for a shot is during a corner, or penalty. But they shouldnt be ahead of midfield for pks

manic.street.preacher
07-22-2009, 08:55 PM
gerba's PK was a monster one...
like... no run up, split second, top corner....

it was like an executioner chopping off the head, swift, smooth, simple cut, no bullshit kinda of PK.. lol
^ best. description. ever.

James17930
07-22-2009, 08:55 PM
Just a quick thanks to the FO for streaming the game on TFC:TV. Was nice to watch it.

Yohan
07-22-2009, 08:55 PM
Gomez: Inexperienced and it shows. Needs more poise and confidence if he's going to crack first team

Gala: showed a lot of hustle and decent positioning sense. still a little rough on the edge, but I think this is more due to lack of matches. has potential to contribute

White: long injury means he's still far from match fitness. will need a lot of practice and game mins before he's anywhere ready

Gerba: pretty much on same form since Gold Cup. got on end of chances which is good news. should be the penalty taker until he screws one up

Edwards: looked confident during the game. made that critical save when required. worst PK stopper ever. makes his move too early, so the taker shoots the other way. he doesn't dive, but more like dances to the side he picked

Darlofletch
07-22-2009, 08:57 PM
so given his performance during the game itself and all the missed chances, is it too soon to say Gerba is the new Barrett?:p

:hide:

Yohan
07-22-2009, 08:58 PM
so given his performance during the game itself and all the missed chances, is it too soon to say Gerba is the new Barrett?:p

:hide:
bite your tongue :p

sheesh. it's just a friendly. dont read too much into it

loconet
07-22-2009, 08:59 PM
Towards the end when River stepped it up a notch, you could really tell the difference in quality of defenders that were on the field vs their forwards. They were toying with us.

Bobo
07-22-2009, 09:00 PM
With all those stupid sub ins and outs, Cummins couldn't have DeRo and Guevara on the pitch at full time? Dumb.

Gerba's shot was powerful and accurate, which is good, because shots like that are more predictable.

SanStarko
07-22-2009, 09:01 PM
i did like Gerbas pk, just wonderin why our midfielders didnt take them before our defenders, im sorry but a defender really the only oppurtunity they have for a shot is during a corner, or penalty. But they shouldnt be ahead of midfield for pks

Because it's the players themselves who decides who wants to take a penalty. Garcia is a defender, yet when they were asking about who wanted to take the penalties you saw him stick his hand up straight away and he stuck it away without any problems.

If OBW or one of the midfielders had been desperate to take a penalty then they would have been up before Velez.

TFC USA
07-22-2009, 09:02 PM
So no one scored in this game and it just went into PKs after regulation?

pekduck
07-22-2009, 09:02 PM
so given his performance during the game itself and all the missed chances, is it too soon to say Gerba is the new Barrett?:p

:hide:

first 30 min into the game, yeah..

but then, he's just getting used to the turf and warming up

second half.. pretty solid

pekduck
07-22-2009, 09:03 PM
Because it's the players themselves who decides who wants to take a penalty. Garcia is a defender, yet when they were asking about who wanted to take the penalties you saw him stick his hand up straight away and he stuck it away without any problems.

If OBW or one of the midfielders had been desperate to take a penalty then they would have been up before Velez.

may be the players decided to let velez take the PK and started a side bet with options of field goal, miss wide left, miss wide right, straight at GK

Yohan
07-22-2009, 09:04 PM
So no one scored in this game and it just went into PKs after regulation?

yes. game was pretty damn boring actually

Yohan
07-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Because it's the players themselves who decides who wants to take a penalty. Garcia is a defender, yet when they were asking about who wanted to take the penalties you saw him stick his hand up straight away and he stuck it away without any problems.

say what you will about Garcia, but that man does not lack in confidence.

takes balls to step up to take a penalty, esp for a defender

gracos
07-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Because it's the players themselves who decides who wants to take a penalty. Garcia is a defender, yet when they were asking about who wanted to take the penalties you saw him stick his hand up straight away and he stuck it away without any problems.

If OBW or one of the midfielders had been desperate to take a penalty then they would have been up before Velez.

Thats partially a problem, it shouldnt be chosen upon by the players, it should be chosen by the coach, and allow those players to perfect on their PK's. I am a coach for my college soccer team and know that has worked perfectly. It will allow the players who are chosen to be comfortable. And thereforth, no distractions, except for the player and the net. Feel free to change the players so the other team doesnt know who your pk takers are. But i feel, thats the better way of going

TFC USA
07-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Meh it's a friendly.


Fuck Velez since he's inept 99% of the time in all competition. The 1% is when he actually scores.

Yohan
07-22-2009, 09:12 PM
well, I didn't think Velez was any worse than other defenders tonight, playing on LB which isn't his natural position.

He also delivered a sweet cross to Gala that Gala barely missed with a header. off his weaker foot too

Seems to me that a lot of people are rather biased on certai players and unwilling to be fair and objective

kitchener-TFC
07-22-2009, 09:13 PM
^ best. description. ever.
I second this!

Beach_Red
07-22-2009, 09:16 PM
say what you will about Garcia, but that man does not lack in confidence.

takes balls to step up to take a penalty, esp for a defender

It does seem like the team is getting a better attitude.

Fishnicker
07-22-2009, 09:37 PM
Just got back - and I found I enjoyed myself immensely. Got to see lost of new players, an RP team that has tons of skill and a wicked shootout.

Noticable

Gala is quite small and really needs to imrove his conditioning. He was really dragging his feet by the end. Think he played the full 90

OBW seems quite powerful but a bit in over his head - maybe just a lot of rust. Didn't shy away from anything rough though..

Velez was Velez, cept for a sweet lf cross to Gala

Shirtless RP maniac who tried to invade 110 but got chanted out and then escorted out...only to re-appear in 120? where he got the same treatment.

Very impressive snare 'n bass drum combo in 112 who caught on quickly with the songs, added to the atmosphere, kept things going and most importantly TEMPO CONTROL! (btw what shirts were they wearing?)

RP I think were surpirsed by the support during the PKs - and they seemed really happy to win the trophy

Good times!

Yohan
07-22-2009, 09:43 PM
any River Plate players really stand out?

only guy I could think of was their captain who did ok in midfield

Nomad
07-22-2009, 09:46 PM
With all those stupid sub ins and outs, Cummins couldn't have DeRo and Guevara on the pitch at full time? Dumb.


Cummins did not coach this match. Nick Dasovic did.

bertal
07-22-2009, 09:53 PM
This game just cements Velez's place on the first team and the captain's armband, as well as our primary penalty taker.

i agree.

gerba's penalty= pure class
chad's was good as well
vitti on the other hand blew the shootout for the team

and for the capatains armband... it should go to dero or robinson

RealG-TFC
07-22-2009, 09:56 PM
Cummins was in the box with Mo...

Cristiano14
07-22-2009, 09:56 PM
I was pretty impressed with gala he had some really solid crosses I'd like to see more of him in later games.

Gerba is still a bit out of shape showed some signs of being a monster, but sometimes seemed like pie eater samuel :p

Gomez was decent, needs some experienced.

Edwards was solid other than the PKs

River Plate was fairly weak, that wasn't their starting 11 right?

Ageroo
07-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Just got back and I liked what I saw from most.....I still thought Gerba was good. created some chances and the keeper made a scramble leg save on him, or else TFC was up 1-0. Edwards looked good from my perspective, but was not extremely bust. I thought Gala should a lot of huslte and made quite a number of good crosses, but by the end he did look tired.

Fishnicker
07-22-2009, 10:01 PM
any River Plate players really stand out?

only guy I could think of was their captain who did ok in midfield

The shaved head CB/RB who owned all of TFCs forwards in turn. Gala was his bitch.

And the long haired midfileder (switched sides, confusing with all the subs) who kept delivering perfectlong passes and crosses - I don't think he missed many.

I mentioned to my seatmate that I could only count a handful of bad passes by RP, where TFC were making tons

Phil
07-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Cummins was in the box with Mo...

Funny, didn't see him in the box. I suspect Cummins was up higher.

prizby
07-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Gala kills me...i hope he won't be eligible to play for UofT this year...two of his crosses beat LU in the oua playoffs last year, in hist first game with UofT

TorontoBlades
07-22-2009, 10:06 PM
I could see that once OBW gets his match fitness, he'll be a handful for defenders.

I also felt we outplayed River Plate and frustrated them, until we subbed our players out of position in the end (like OBW, Dichio, Barrett, Gerba all on at once???) and at that point River Plate saw more of the ball - but they were definately frustrated against us up until that point

TorontoBlades
07-22-2009, 10:08 PM
Also...

Gala was a bit reckless today - probably trying to do to much with his touches...but he'll be good.

Gomez, a monster in the air...lacked a bit of confidence when he was on the ball though

TorontoBlades
07-22-2009, 10:10 PM
Ok last thing....

What song was that TFC hip hop/rap song they played about 8 minutes before kickoff. I really liked it.

4evared
07-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Just got back - and I found I enjoyed myself immensely. Got to see lost of new players, an RP team that has tons of skill and a wicked shootout.

Noticable

Gala is quite small and really needs to imrove his conditioning. He was really dragging his feet by the end. Think he played the full 90

OBW seems quite powerful but a bit in over his head - maybe just a lot of rust. Didn't shy away from anything rough though..

Velez was Velez, cept for a sweet lf cross to Gala

Shirtless RP maniac who tried to invade 110 but got chanted out and then escorted out...only to re-appear in 120? where he got the same treatment.

Very impressive snare 'n bass drum combo in 112 who caught on quickly with the songs, added to the atmosphere, kept things going and most importantly TEMPO CONTROL! (btw what shirts were they wearing?)

RP I think were surpirsed by the support during the PKs - and they seemed really happy to win the trophy

Good times!

The shirts are Boca Juniors. I noticed how much it pissed off the River Plate fans. River Plate took the Carlsberg Cup away to South America again so fcuk them.

manic.street.preacher
07-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Ok last thing....

What song was that TFC hip hop/rap song they played about 8 minutes before kickoff. I really liked it.

probably "wave hard" ... unless they cut a new one ...

F2HsC0BobVE

Lennon
07-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Very impressive snare 'n bass drum combo in 112 who caught on quickly with the songs, added to the atmosphere, kept things going and most importantly TEMPO CONTROL! (btw what shirts were they wearing?)

Agreed! The Boca Juniors fans (River Plate's biggest rival) were great ... I've never heard drumming like that in 112 before ... really added to the atmosphere.

I have to say the atmosphere in the middle between 112 and 113 is pretty shit ... this one guy was going on about some stripper he fucked for like the first 30 mins of the first half ... :facepalm:

2nd half was better though after we moved more to the right ...

Redpunkfiddle
07-22-2009, 10:35 PM
Not that it matters when players are skying the ball over the net, but the RP keeper came off his line for practically every shot- against Vitti it was something like 5 feet. If this was a real game and the ref didn't call for a re-take I'd be pissed.

These Carlsberg shootouts have been a hoot, but I hope they are practicing for when it could really be on the line when we are in Puerto Rico.

billyfly
07-22-2009, 10:46 PM
Just got back - and I found I enjoyed myself immensely. Got to see lost of new players, an RP team that has tons of skill and a wicked shootout.

Noticable

Gala is quite small and really needs to imrove his conditioning. He was really dragging his feet by the end. Think he played the full 90

OBW seems quite powerful but a bit in over his head - maybe just a lot of rust. Didn't shy away from anything rough though..

Velez was Velez, cept for a sweet lf cross to Gala

Shirtless RP maniac who tried to invade 110 but got chanted out and then escorted out...only to re-appear in 120? where he got the same treatment.

Very impressive snare 'n bass drum combo in 112 who caught on quickly with the songs, added to the atmosphere, kept things going and most importantly TEMPO CONTROL! (btw what shirts were they wearing?)

RP I think were surpirsed by the support during the PKs - and they seemed really happy to win the trophy

Good times!


Those were 2 of my friends who came just to piss off CARP. BOCA!

PJC
07-22-2009, 10:47 PM
I enjoyed the game. TFC could have easily buried at least 3 goals, but they didn't capitalize on their chances. The best chances of the night IMO came from Gerba, but he lacks the pace that's needed from a complete striker. He has size, strength, and accuracy, but he needs to seriously work on his speed. In the pre-game warmup he was blasted goals and picking corners at his own pace, but he needs to work on his fitness and he will be a great striker for TFC. Honestly, I know Dichio scored TFC's first goal in history and all, but he's garbage. I don't know why people like the guy so much and he's part of the fat that Toronto FC needs to trim in order for the club to get better. Overall, I thought TFC did great against River Plate. River Plate did field a reserve squad basically with the exception of a couple of guys i'm sure, but TFC should have won the cup tonight. Nevertheless, I hope the concacaf game against Puerto Rico goes our way on the 29th.

bhoybobby
07-22-2009, 10:50 PM
Gala played like he was playing for a spot, very impressive

Gerba looks like a fat pie eater, not very impressive at all, doesn't look fit.

flatpicker
07-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Gerba looks like a fat pie eater,


I try to avoid insulting people in this forum... but you sound like an ass with that comment!

Boris
07-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Gala played like he was playing for a spot, very impressive

Gerba looks like a fat pie eater, not very impressive at all, doesn't look fit.

very clever....

Blizzard
07-22-2009, 11:02 PM
Not that it matters when players are skying the ball over the net, but the RP keeper came off his line for practically every shot- against Vitti it was something like 5 feet. If this was a real game and the ref didn't call for a re-take I'd be pissed.

These Carlsberg shootouts have been a hoot, but I hope they are practicing for when it could really be on the line when we are in Puerto Rico.

Petrescu is his ever inept self.

Remember last year when he missed Harmse scoring on his penalty? Clearly over the line and he totally missed it.

How that guy has a FIFA badget is difficult to understand.

werewolf
07-22-2009, 11:03 PM
Gerba looks like a fat pie eater, not very impressive at all, doesn't look fit.

should we sign back Andy Welsh then?

bhoybobby
07-22-2009, 11:03 PM
I try to avoid insulting people in this forum... but you sound like an ass with that comment!

I'm just relaying what I saw & everyone in my row said, he looks heavy & sluggish:scarf:

Were you at the game?

Boris
07-22-2009, 11:07 PM
I'm just relaying what I saw & everyone in my row said, he looks heavy & sluggish:scarf:

Were you at the game?

this site is perfect for people like you...
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/

flatpicker
07-22-2009, 11:09 PM
I'm just relaying what I saw & everyone in my row said, he looks heavy & sluggish:scarf:

Were you at the game?


if you had said, "Gala played like he was playing for a spot, very impressive. Gerba was not very impressive at all, doesn't look fit."

then that would have been fine.


but to call him a "fat pie eater" is just stupid.

Think about what you are saying...
Gerba is a professional athlete.
He probably has less fat on his entire body than I have on one foot.
The guy is built.
Perhaps he is not in top game shape... but he ain't no fat pie eater!

werewolf
07-22-2009, 11:10 PM
I'm just relaying what I saw & everyone in my row said, he looks heavy & sluggish:scarf:

Were you at the game?

that is him at match-fit...he isn't a diet Leo Messi, and it shouldn't be expected, its not the type of player he is.

Phil
07-22-2009, 11:12 PM
I will hold judgement on Gerba until I see him in a game situation - one that has 3 points on the line. As it stands he filled in without much practice after a tourney without knowing his service.

I am hoping practice will bring out some very clever plays.

billyfly
07-22-2009, 11:13 PM
http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/670527

"A group of fans of Boca Juniors, River's bitter rivals in domestic play, unfurled their club's flag before kickoff behind the goal at the south end of the ground."

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Anyone else notice that in the lineups on the scoreboard they used a pic of Collin Samuel for Gabe Gala?

I thought Gala had a strong game, he faded a little towards the end but certainly made a case for using him as a late game sub rather than Ibrahim, who from what little I’ve seen of him this season looks to have taken a set back (perhaps owing to the disbanding of the reserve league?)

gracos
07-22-2009, 11:15 PM
When everybody gets into shape our team is going to look even more impressive then it is now, hopefully if we dont get De Guzman, we dont sign anybody so we can work with what we already have

billyfly
07-22-2009, 11:16 PM
Anyone else notice that in the lineups on the scoreboard they used a pic of Collin Samuel for Gabe Gala?

I thought Gala had a strong game, he faded a little towards the end but certainly made a case for using him as a late game sub rather than Ibrahim, who from what little I’ve seen of him this season looks to have taken a set back (perhaps owing to the disbanding of the reserve league?)

I blinked when I saw the pic. It didn't look right. So it was Samuel.

I thought no one else noticed.

bhoybobby
07-22-2009, 11:16 PM
if you had said, "Gala played like he was playing for a spot, very impressive. Gerba was not very impressive at all, doesn't look fit."

then that would have been fine.


but to call him a "fat pie eater" is just stupid.

Think about what you are saying...
Gerba is a professional athlete.
He probably has less fat on his entire body than I have on one foot.
The guy is built.
Perhaps he is not in top game shape... but he ain't no fat pie eater!

I said he looks like one. Listen, he looks very heavy, several folks mentioned he looks more like a boxer, some mentioned Colin Samuel.

The lad doesn't look near fit. He's a professional athlete who goes through clubs like Tiger Woods. Maybe he has a fitness issue, I dunno, but I wasn't impressed.

Gala on the other hand, looked sharp & hungry

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-22-2009, 11:18 PM
When everybody gets into shape our team is going to look even more impressive then it is now, hopefully if we dont get De Guzman, we dont sign anybody so we can work with what we already have

We’ve got empty roster spots and so little depth we have to sub. our starters back into a friendly, and you think the team shouldn’t make a few more signings?

jloome
07-22-2009, 11:20 PM
Gerba's not fat, just wide. Fine by me. He didn't actually blow that first one so much as get interfered with by the defender coming in behind him (I'm being generous; he might've just blown it.)He's got a great shot and played off his defender really well all night. Got us a couple of dangerous free kicks.

Gala played well, tried to do too much because he doesn't have positional awareness with the other players yet, but also recovered to tackle several times. He's obviously not in pro game shape, though.

Gomez was great on the tackle, fucking terrible on the delivery. Gave the ball away three times on bad passes; but also made several very nice tackles.

O'Brien White was anonymous. If his movement is this poor at the pro level, and not just bad rust, he's not going to make the transition very easily.

Until all the later subs, I though we bossed the midfield. Apparently, River was playing a lot of their reserves and youth team, although their left back (can't remember his name, Arribari or something like that) is a major talent.

Thought we futzed around the edge of the box looking for the short cross too much. Should've scored three in the first half.

Edwards looked poised....until the shootout. One of the worst examples of penalty goalkeeping by a professional I've ever seen. He not only telegraphed his movement, he went right on five consecutive shots! Shit, play the odds and expect at least one up the middle.

His distribution is really good, though, as good as Frei's.

The regular leaders all looked liked they were playing for fun, which I guess they were.

Cas87
07-22-2009, 11:22 PM
Gerba is so good in a striker role
...
OBW has cemented himeslf as the first striker sub in any game
...
Barret needs to be traded for depth
...
Vitti has earned , at least, an extended loan deal
...
Brennan needs to be on the bench
...
enough said

colman1860
07-22-2009, 11:23 PM
well, I didn't think Velez was any worse than other defenders tonight, playing on LB which isn't his natural position.

He also delivered a sweet cross to Gala that Gala barely missed with a header. off his weaker foot too

Seems to me that a lot of people are rather biased on certai players and unwilling to be fair and objective

+1!!!

jloome
07-22-2009, 11:23 PM
I enjoyed the game. TFC could have easily buried at least 3 goals, but they didn't capitalize on their chances. The best chances of the night IMO came from Gerba, but he lacks the pace that's needed from a complete striker. He has size, strength, and accuracy, but he needs to seriously work on his speed. In the pre-game warmup he was blasted goals and picking corners at his own pace, but he needs to work on his fitness and he will be a great striker for TFC. Honestly, I know Dichio scored TFC's first goal in history and all, but he's garbage. I don't know why people like the guy so much and he's part of the fat that Toronto FC needs to trim in order for the club to get better. Overall, I thought TFC did great against River Plate. River Plate did field a reserve squad basically with the exception of a couple of guys i'm sure, but TFC should have won the cup tonight. Nevertheless, I hope the concacaf game against Puerto Rico goes our way on the 29th.

Dude, he's not a striker, never has been. He played as a winger tonight, and usually either plays wing or wingback.

And Dichio is one of the best technical players on our team. If you think he's garbage, you should just...stop. Stop reviewing games and players until you've watched enough to know what the fuck you're talking about.:facepalm:

Shep
07-22-2009, 11:30 PM
Dude, he's not a striker, never has been. He played as a winger tonight, and usually either plays wing or wingback.

And Dichio is one of the best technical players on our team. If you think he's garbage, you should just...stop. Stop reviewing games and players until you've watched enough to know what the fuck you're talking about.:facepalm:

Gerba? Wingback? Nope. Forward.

And he didn't play wing anything tonight, he is a striker.

But I agree with the second part, Dichio is a mastermind, one-touch professional.

TFC USA
07-22-2009, 11:35 PM
Dichio is garbage?

Look man share your drugs because you've got to be stoned out of your mind to say that.

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-22-2009, 11:39 PM
To say that Dichio’s garbage is just wrong, but he’s clearly a player in decline. He much less a physical force now than was in his first matches for the team.

Blizzard
07-22-2009, 11:41 PM
Vitti was awesome tonight. He set-up of Robinson (for the header) was top notch. He was without doubt the top Red on the field tonight.

AL-MO
07-22-2009, 11:42 PM
Very impressive snare 'n bass drum combo in 112 who caught on quickly with the songs, added to the atmosphere, kept things going and most importantly TEMPO CONTROL! (btw what shirts were they wearing?)


The Boca drum guys were a nice addition to 112.

They asked me to fly their plastic chicken on my flag so I did. :D

Daveisonfire
07-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Dude, he's not a striker, never has been. He played as a winger tonight, and usually either plays wing or wingback.

And Dichio is one of the best technical players on our team. If you think he's garbage, you should just...stop. Stop reviewing games and players until you've watched enough to know what the fuck you're talking about.:facepalm:

I think you think he's talking about Gala

Phil
07-22-2009, 11:57 PM
The Boca drum guys were a nice addition to 112.

They asked me to fly their plastic chicken on my flag so I did. :D

That was some funny stuff. In 115 we were asking... 'Is that a rubber chicken?'.

Good work. :D

Dub Narcotic
07-23-2009, 12:01 AM
Anyone else notice that in the lineups on the scoreboard they used a pic of Collin Samuel for Gabe Gala?

I thought Gala had a strong game, he faded a little towards the end but certainly made a case for using him as a late game sub rather than Ibrahim, who from what little I’ve seen of him this season looks to have taken a set back (perhaps owing to the disbanding of the reserve league?)

Ibrahim hasn't improved at all. There is no way he has a future unless he grows a little bit. I agree with you that Gala should get his spot minutes as a late game attacking sub.

Shep
07-23-2009, 12:04 AM
Ibrahim hasn't improved at all. There is no way he has a future unless he grows a little bit. I agree with you that Gala should get his spot minutes as a late game attacking sub.


I was sat in the north and got to watch Gala close up for the first half, he was top notch in my opinion, worked hard for every ball. I'd like to see more of him for sure.

Whoop
07-23-2009, 12:05 AM
Haha...

las gallinas versus los chanchitos

AL-MO
07-23-2009, 12:09 AM
That was some funny stuff. In 115 we were asking... 'Is that a rubber chicken?'.

Good work. :D

Yeah they asked me to fly it. I didn't know what it was all about, but once I found out it was an honour of sorts.

The Story of The Chicken: (informal as fuck)
Back in the Sixties, River were playing a Cup final against Penarol (Uruguay). River were up 3-0 but ended up collapsing, losing 4-3. At the next league match the River fans threw chickens at their own players. Since then Boca fans use the chicken to mock and taunt their River Plate opponents.

(this is what I was told by the Boca guys in our section)

Bars92
07-23-2009, 12:20 AM
having wandered around between the either side of the south end -- night games are the best.

grizzle
07-23-2009, 12:46 AM
The Boca drum guys were a nice addition to 112.

They asked me to fly their plastic chicken on my flag so I did. :D

I hate Boca... I am glad they paid to see their rivals win.

Gala played like a champ, nice job!

Vitti set up some great plays that didn't go through.

Gerba, prob shoulda had the header, but nice penalty kick. Overall a little unimpressed, but I will hold back on any judgement. Hope he steps it up next game.

Glad to see TFC showing way more speed than River.. I woulda though it would have been the other way around. I enjoyed the game regardless of the loss.

Hooligan69
07-23-2009, 01:07 AM
Tonight's friendly was rather interesting. I enjoyed the game for the most part.

jloome
07-23-2009, 01:45 AM
I think you think he's talking about Gala

Oops! Thought he said Gala for some reason. Gerba, Gala. eek. Time for bed.

Shakes McQueen
07-23-2009, 01:55 AM
Gerba is so good in a striker role
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OBW has cemented himeslf as the first striker sub in any game
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Barret needs to be traded for depth
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Vitti has earned , at least, an extended loan deal
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Brennan needs to be on the bench
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enough said

OBW "cemented" himself as the first choice striker sub, based on a single 45 minute friendly performance in which he didn't actually score a goal?

It was good to see some rare faces in the game tonight, to get a feel for where they are. The Gambian kids clearly need some more work before they are first team ready. Gala looked okay, but out of shape, and a little small.

Vitti played well, aside from his absolutely horrendous penalty kick. Gerba's penalty was pure class, and he looked stronger as the game wore on. I'm excited to see him in Columbus this weekend, hopefully.

It was an interesting game. I didn't really care about the result, or winning the "Carling Cup", so it was just good to see the new faces, and no injuries.

One thing is clear though - Toronto FC really needs to set up an in-house penalty kick clinic this fall.

Onward to Columbus, and a return to meaningful fixtures.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
07-23-2009, 01:58 AM
well, I didn't think Velez was any worse than other defenders tonight, playing on LB which isn't his natural position.

He also delivered a sweet cross to Gala that Gala barely missed with a header. off his weaker foot too

Seems to me that a lot of people are rather biased on certai players and unwilling to be fair and objective

People just see what they want to see.

I thought Velez was fine tonight. He has good games - they are just inconsistent. That cross he fired in to Gala was pure gold.

- Scott

Ossington Mental Youth
07-23-2009, 02:05 AM
People just see what they want to see.

I thought Velez was fine tonight. He has good games - they are just inconsistent. That cross he fired in to Gala was pure gold.

- Scott

i agree, Velez was no better and no worse than the rest.
I am looking forward to seeing more from the boys from Ghana in the future and from OW, kinda feel like he was quiet for a bit but thats fine cuz it was his first 'game'. Looking really forward to seeing Gerba start. Im afraid if hes not scoring every other game he will be the new scapegoat.

Shakes McQueen
07-23-2009, 02:15 AM
i agree, Velez was no better and no worse than the rest.
I am looking forward to seeing more from the boys from Ghana in the future and from OW, kinda feel like he was quiet for a bit but thats fine cuz it was his first 'game'. Looking really forward to seeing Gerba start. Im afraid if hes not scoring every other game he will be the new scapegoat.

If Gerba doesn't score this weekend, I look forward to facepalming at the 3-4 threads that pop up talking about how shit he was.

OBW didn't have a revelatory game tonight, but like you said - first time out there with the squad, and he didn't even have a consistent lineup to work with, since subs were happening all over the place. I was fine with his performance.

Tonight was just a good chance to see new faces in action. I'm sure most of our regular starters were likely told to take it easy, and not work themselves into the ground before our game this weekend.

Congrats to River Plate on winning the Sponsor Goblet (Carlsberg Cup) - quite possibly the least meaningful piece of silverware in the world.

- Scott

manic.street.preacher
07-23-2009, 02:26 AM
If Gerba doesn't score this weekend, I look forward to facepalming at the 3-4 threads that pop up talking about how shit he was.
^ +10 :scarf:

clc12
07-23-2009, 03:21 AM
Yeah they asked me to fly it. I didn't know what it was all about, but once I found out it was an honour of sorts.

The Story of The Chicken: (informal as fuck)
Back in the Sixties, River were playing a Cup final against Penarol (Uruguay). River were up 3-0 but ended up collapsing, losing 4-3. At the next league match the River fans threw chickens at their own players. Since then Boca fans use the chicken to mock and taunt their River Plate opponents.

(this is what I was told by the Boca guys in our section)

that story is correct.
did one of the guys with the drums have a drum with the boca juniors colours and argentina colours?
do you have any pics? i'm almost positive i know who the guys were. they usually bring the rubber chicken to big games. haha.

sections 112 and 113 need that special drum beat. i hope we can get something going in the south end real soon.

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 06:57 AM
Honestly, I know Dichio scored TFC's first goal in history and all, but he's garbage. I don't know why people like the guy so much and he's part of the fat that Toronto FC needs to trim in order for the club to get better. .

maybe its time for you to start following a different sport since you obviously know nothing about soccer. :rolleyes: :facepalm: :picard:

Dub Narcotic
07-23-2009, 08:02 AM
maybe its time for you to start following a different sport since you obviously know nothing about soccer. :rolleyes: :facepalm: :picard:

I think Dichio has been getting progressively worse this year too. He's immobile, hugely inconsistent and not able to give a lot of minutes to the team. It will be a huge mistake to bring him back next year.

Yohan
07-23-2009, 08:06 AM
I think Dichio has been getting progressively worse this year too. He's immobile, hugely inconsistent and not able to give a lot of minutes to the team. It will be a huge mistake to bring him back next year.
I think I agree

Ever since his long lay off due to injury last season, Danny D haven't been the same. Even his heading and one touch passes and flicks have been largely ineffective. Also this is largely due to TFC moving away from direct game, to more posession and short pass oriented game

Though he still makes critical plays when it counts for goals or helping out with goals

We have enough depth now anyways

Jamaicanadian
07-23-2009, 08:19 AM
Not that it matters when players are skying the ball over the net, but the RP keeper came off his line for practically every shot- against Vitti it was something like 5 feet. If this was a real game and the ref didn't call for a re-take I'd be pissed.

These Carlsberg shootouts have been a hoot, but I hope they are practicing for when it could really be on the line when we are in Puerto Rico.

I was thinking the same thing last night...the keeper was moving forward before the ball was kicked...He (the RP keeper) was my MOTM....

Yohan
07-23-2009, 08:25 AM
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=899

I want to see more of Gerba linking up with DeRo (at 1:30min mark, 2:40min mark)

Just watching the highlights, Gala was involved in more of TFC's best chances than I thought...

KrazyKanadian
07-23-2009, 08:27 AM
maybe its time for you to start following a different sport since you obviously know nothing about soccer.

What's this soccer thing you mention?

Belfast_Boy
07-23-2009, 08:33 AM
I think I agree

Ever since his long lay off due to injury last season, Danny D haven't been the same. Even his heading and one touch passes and flicks have been largely ineffective. Also this is largely due to TFC moving away from direct game, to more posession and short pass oriented game

Though he still makes critical plays when it counts for goals or helping out with goals

We have enough depth now anyways

I agree. love the big man and what he's done for us, but he's not the force he was.

Bloor West FC
07-23-2009, 08:36 AM
I was happy I went to this game. It was very entertaining for a friendly. Maybe not the best time in the season for one but I was happy.

Shaughno
07-23-2009, 08:46 AM
that story is correct.
did one of the guys with the drums have a drum with the boca juniors colours and argentina colours?
do you have any pics? i'm almost positive i know who the guys were. they usually bring the rubber chicken to big games. haha.

sections 112 and 113 need that special drum beat. i hope we can get something going in the south end real soon.


Yep that was them. Pretty sure the one guy said that drum has been to every major championship over the last however many years.

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 08:57 AM
I think Dichio has been getting progressively worse this year too. He's immobile, hugely inconsistent and not able to give a lot of minutes to the team. It will be a huge mistake to bring him back next year.

1) he's always been....nothing new....
2) how so?....no more inconsistent than anybody we have.
3) says who?.....just because he doesn't play a lot of minutes, doesn't mean he can't play those minutes....big difference.


I think I agree

Ever since his long lay off due to injury last season, Danny D haven't been the same. Even his heading and one touch passes and flicks have been largely ineffective. Also this is largely due to TFC moving away from direct game, to more posession and short pass oriented game

Though he still makes critical plays when it counts for goals or helping out with goals

We have enough depth now anyways

1) so if they are using a more posession type game, who better do we have up front to hold and protect the ball for people making runs towards the net?....Dichio still does this best, by far.

2) making the critical play is most important (example....see Dichio on DeRo's goal v. Houston).....personally, I'd rather have someone who's name you'll only hear 2 times a game, but who's efforts result in a goal, as opposed to a guy who runs around like a chicken with no head but accomplishes nothing.


What's this soccer thing you mention?

my bad......I forgot.......its called football....

Yohan
07-23-2009, 09:01 AM
1) so if they are using a more posession type game, who better do we have up front to hold and protect the ball for people making runs towards the net?....Dichio still does this best, by far.
he can't even shield the ball consistently any more. way too many stray short passes and flick ons.


2) making the critical play is most important (example....see Dichio on DeRo's goal v. Houston).....personally, I'd rather have someone who's name you'll only hear 2 times a game, but who's efforts result in a goal, as opposed to a guy who runs around like a chicken with no head but accomplishes nothing.

Dichio had his share of big misses too. Chances that he would have buried last year before injury

If Gerba turns out to be the real deal, and White gets more match fitness, I really doubt Dichio will be getting anymore quality mins

TorontoBlades
07-23-2009, 09:07 AM
one final thought about the game

how many times did the official warn the keeper to not leave his line during the penalties, only to have the keeper completely ignore him...and yet not call...

...and if Edwards is seeing this, why didn't he cheat off the line as well

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 09:08 AM
he can't even shield the ball consistently any more. way too many stray short passes and flick ons.

Dichio had his share of big misses too. Chances that he would have buried last year before injury

If Gerba turns out to be the real deal, and White gets more match fitness, I really doubt Dichio will be getting anymore quality mins

fair enough.......I see OBW taking at least until the beginning of next year to fully be able to show us what he's worth.....major knee surgeries are nothing to raise your nose to.

arguable but valid points (although the first half I disagree on), but to say "he's garbage" like the original quote I made is just showing no knowlegde in the sport.

for my money, Dichio still has the best brain on the field (Vitti is next), and does the things you can't teach better than anybody else out there......this will be incredibly valuable to have on the field if/when our boys make the playoffs this year.

T_Mizz
07-23-2009, 09:23 AM
I agree with Yohan Dichio's game has shifted to receiving the ball and immediate distribution, not a bad thing at all but I never see him hold any balls. (tehe)

Belfast_Boy
07-23-2009, 09:25 AM
he's not garbage, that's an over statement. he's the most experienced man we have and it shows. but he's past his prime and he knows it. that's why he's retiring. he'll be a TFC legend and I hope we the fans treat him that way.

billyfly
07-23-2009, 09:34 AM
TFC had a chance to get 2 more trophies this week and unfortunately 0 for 1 so far.

TorontoBlades
07-23-2009, 10:05 AM
TFC had a chance to get 2 more trophies this week and unfortunately 0 for 1 so far.

1 for 2

Pachuco
07-23-2009, 10:06 AM
I thought Vitti was absolutely insane yesterday. He was playing like a man possessed or something. I'd like to think it's not just because he was playing River Plate, and that he's simply hit his stride. He's had 2 really good back to back games now if you ask me and I hope he keeps it going into the weekend. I also think he's playing more like a midfielder and that's helping him out alot.

Gerba's penalty shot was good, but come on, Barrett was better. He deserves credit for that one.

I liked Gala, I think he should get more quality minutes on the wing. He was also coming back alot to help out the defense.

Gomez is raw, although he's a physical specimen. He's got potential, he's very good in the air, just needs to be more comfortable with the ball at his feet.

Gerba wasn't impresssive, but I'm sure this is what we're going to get from him. He's not a player that impressses, but he does know how to put the ball in the net. So I'm fine with him not impressing so long as he doesn't miss when he gets his rare chances in the game. Personally, I think him and Barrett are going to be fighting for that striker spot for the rest of the year. I don't think it's Gerba's spot necessarily, he has to earn it first.

In general I'm surprised we played that well against River, we are talking about a seriously legendary team in South America and we played really well I thought.

The one knock I have on Dasovic is what the heck is he doing subbing in players after they had come off. I'm surprised Winsper didn't give him a lesson on what happens when your muscles cool down before you try to get out there again.

Ageroo
07-23-2009, 10:10 AM
The one knock I have on Dasovic is what the heck is he doing subbing in players after they had come off. I'm surprised Winsper didn't give him a lesson on what happens when your muscles cool down before you try to get out there again.


I found that odd as well.....but from what I saw, I think they were going back to the locker room after being subbed....maybe they were hitting the bikes to keep them ready to be subbed back in. I am curious if this was the intention to take them out and sub them back in. Who knows.....

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 10:15 AM
I thought Vitti was absolutely insane yesterday. He was playing like a man possessed or something. I'd like to think it's not just because he was playing River Plate, and that he's simply hit his stride. He's had 2 really good back to back games now if you ask me and I hope he keeps it going into the weekend. I also think he's playing more like a midfielder and that's helping him out alot.

Gerba wasn't impresssive, but I'm sure this is what we're going to get from him. He's not a player that impressses, but he does know how to put the ball in the net. So I'm fine with him not impressing so long as he doesn't miss when he gets his rare chances in the game. Personally, I think him and Barrett are going to be fighting for that striker spot for the rest of the year. I don't think it's Gerba's spot necessarily, he has to earn it first.

In general I'm surprised we played that well against River, we are talking about a seriously legendary team in South America and we played really well I thought.

I also thought Vitti was on fire last night......big backer of his and hope he has come around.

I think the difference between him and Barrett with regards to work rate is that while Barrett looks like he's working hard all the time, and Vitti may not, I think it has more to do with the fact that Vitti's work appears to be effortless at times, and his pure skill just comes through. I remember one play last night in the 2nd half where he skipped around 2 RP players at midfield, carried the ball in, and passed it off (I thin it was OBW who lost the ball in the end), but it was excecuted so flawlessly....just beautiful!

As for Gerba, same here.....we're not gonna get left with our jaws dropping at him, but as long as the ball ends up in the back of the net its all good with me!

gtaguy
07-23-2009, 10:20 AM
I thought Vitti was absolutely insane yesterday. He was playing like a man possessed or something. I'd like to think it's not just because he was playing River Plate, and that he's simply hit his stride. He's had 2 really good back to back games now if you ask me and I hope he keeps it going into the weekend. I also think he's playing more like a midfielder and that's helping him out alot.

Gerba's penalty shot was good, but come on, Barrett was better. He deserves credit for that one.

I liked Gala, I think he should get more quality minutes on the wing. He was also coming back alot to help out the defense.

Gomez is raw, although he's a physical specimen. He's got potential, he's very good in the air, just needs to be more comfortable with the ball at his feet.

Gerba wasn't impresssive, but I'm sure this is what we're going to get from him. He's not a player that impressses, but he does know how to put the ball in the net. So I'm fine with him not impressing so long as he doesn't miss when he gets his rare chances in the game. Personally, I think him and Barrett are going to be fighting for that striker spot for the rest of the year. I don't think it's Gerba's spot necessarily, he has to earn it first.

In general I'm surprised we played that well against River, we are talking about a seriously legendary team in South America and we played really well I thought.

The one knock I have on Dasovic is what the heck is he doing subbing in players after they had come off. I'm surprised Winsper didn't give him a lesson on what happens when your muscles cool down before you try to get out there again.



the last one about subbing in players.
I was flipping back and forth between the tfc tv and the argentinian channel i was watching when the subs came off and then back in again, the commentators were left scratching thier heads of what was happening. One guy mentioned that in all his career he's never seen this happen, not even in a friendly. Kinda made tfc look foolish and unprofessional...:facepalm:

also i wanted to ask whats with Edwards and his ball punting..
I do not recall once in the game that he decided to pass the ball to a defender and start from the back instead of punting it to the other end of the stadium. Was this a strategy or was thier fear that thier attack line was going to make us look foolish on our own end ???

Carts
07-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Unfortunately, although I really like the kid, Pablo Vitti's $300,000 experiment might have to come to an end...

He gets the minutes... He gets the chances... He doesn't get the goals / or the assists...

He's scored two scrambled goals this entire season - missed a PK (I know in a friendly) and seems to be living on the "he has tons of skill" lifeline...

For $300,000 in this league, as a forward, you need to be near the top of the goals/assists standings (basically under the DP forwards)...

Kenny Cooper makes $105,000 (against the cap) and has 7-goals on a shit team that has scored less than us...

Connor Casey makes $200,000 (against the cap) and has 8-goals on Colorado who are basically even with us statistically...

Nate Jaque makes $190,000 (against the cap) and has 6-goals, and 6-assists on Seattle...

Unfortunately, this PK miss (I know in a meaningless friendly) seemed to cement the position even more that Pablo Vitti is not pulling $300,000 ($288,000 against the cap) worth of weight (2-goals, 0-assists)...

Carts...

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 10:29 AM
^ that is fair....$300,000 is a bit much but if we can somehow someway get Vitti to extend his loan at a reduced cost (wishful thinking, I know....even say $200,000), I'd be a very happy camper!!

billyfly
07-23-2009, 10:30 AM
1 for 2


Is that a prediction?

Pachuco
07-23-2009, 10:32 AM
Unfortunately, although I really like the kid, Pablo Vitti's $300,000 experiment might have to come to an end...

He gets the minutes... He gets the chances... He doesn't get the goals / or the assists...

He's scored two scrambled goals this entire season - missed a PK (I know in a friendly) and seems to be living on the "he has tons of skill" lifeline...

For $300,000 in this league, as a forward, you need to be near the top of the goals/assists standings (basically under the DP forwards)...

Kenny Cooper makes $105,000 (against the cap) and has 7-goals on a shit team that has scored less than us...

Connor Casey makes $200,000 (against the cap) and has 8-goals on Colorado who are basically even with us statistically...

Nate Jaque makes $190,000 (against the cap) and has 6-goals, and 6-assists on Seattle...

Unfortunately, this PK miss (I know in a meaningless friendly) seemed to cement the position even more that Pablo Vitti is not pulling $300,000 ($288,000 against the cap) worth of weight (2-goals, 0-assists)...

Carts...

Kenny Cooper - Striker
Connor Casey - Striker
Nate Jacqua - Striker

Oddly enough, a position Vitti has never played on this team.

Where do some people get this mis-conception that Vitti is a striker and he should be bagging goals left and right? we have Gerba, Barrett, Dichio, OBWhite who are supposively true strikers, leave the goal scoring up to them and to Guevara and Dero as well.

Do you think you'll ever see Kenny Cooper helping out the defense the way Vitti does? hell no. So how could you expect him to score the same amount of goals?

gtaguy
07-23-2009, 10:35 AM
rivers plates website and thier point of view..
just took the parts of interest and translated them..

Game ended in a tie in what is percieved to be a boring game even for a friendly.
River plate seems to think that we were subbing players in and out was to finish with a strong showing.. (yeah no shit)
Toronto is no better then what they showed on the field.
The reason why river never scored was becuase they had no rhythem..

How about saying that Toronto gave us a challenge and we just couldn't figure them out. all i have to say is Fu River...

spanish version
http://www.riverplate.com/news/3739-river-vs-toronto-fc-amistoso-2009.html

google translated
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.riverplate.com%2Fnews%2F3739-river-vs-toronto-fc-amistoso-2009.html&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

Carts
07-23-2009, 10:36 AM
Kenny Cooper - Striker
Connor Casey - Striker
Nate Jacqua - Striker

Oddly enough, a position Vitti has never played on this team.

Where do some people get this mis-conception that Vitti is a striker and he should be bagging goals left and right? we have Gerba, Barrett, Dichio, OBWhite who are supposively true strikers, leave the goal scoring up to them and to Guevara and Dero as well.

Do you think you'll ever see Kenny Cooper helping out the defense the way Vitti does? hell no. So how could you expect him to score the same amount of goals?

Defintely fair comment.

But for $300,000 in this league, you need more than what he brings - all over the pitch...

Like I said, I really like the kid, he has tons of skill, but what he does on the pitch does not equal $300,000 in this league...

Carts...

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 10:37 AM
Kenny Cooper - Striker
Connor Casey - Striker
Nate Jacqua - Striker

Oddly enough, a position Vitti has never played on this team.

Where do some people get this mis-conception that Vitti is a striker and he should be bagging goals left and right? we have Gerba, Barrett, Dichio, OBWhite who are supposively true strikers, leave the goal scoring up to them and to Guevara and Dero as well.

Do you think you'll ever see Kenny Cooper helping out the defense the way Vitti does? hell no. So how could you expect him to score the same amount of goals?

good point....never quite looked at it that way myself......I've always tought of Vitti as a player just in front of the midfield, but never as a box to box player....maybe I ought to pay more attention to what he offers ont he defensive side of the field....I like him already so maybe this will just give me another reason to ;).....and I agree on the fact that he has never been given a distinct role on the team.

Yohan
07-23-2009, 10:39 AM
good point....never quite looked at it that way myself......I've always tought of Vitti as a player just in front of the midfield, but never as a box to box player....maybe I ought to pay more attention to what he offers ont he defensive side of the field....I like him already so maybe this will just give me another reason to ;).....and I agree on the fact that he has never been given a distinct role on the team.
a lot of season has been spent on the coaching staff trying to figure out where to exactly play Vitti, once it was found out that Vitti is not a pure striker

no wonder the lad had a lot of rough games

TFC Tifoso
07-23-2009, 11:06 AM
a lot of season has been spent on the coaching staff trying to figure out where to exactly play Vitti, once it was found out that Vitti is not a pure striker

no wonder the lad had a lot of rough games

yes, I know.....hopefully they can find a proper spot to best suit his skills because he has lots of it!

kdzb
07-23-2009, 11:17 AM
The one knock I have on Dasovic is what the heck is he doing subbing in players after they had come off. I'm surprised Winsper didn't give him a lesson on what happens when your muscles cool down before you try to get out there again.

The only reason we were subbing players in and out is:

Toronto FC = 21 active players in the roaster ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC and we were missing Cronin + Serioux was maybe injured + Frei didn't play.
Bottom line we had only 18 active players that were playing last night + I guess Attakora got injured after 15 minutes on the field.

River = 43 active players in the roaster ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_River_Plate

Also, If we follow the football rules during friendlies, The 2 coaches + the ref should agree in advance how the subbs rules should be done.

Hope this helps :scarf:

Vitti blew my mind last night. I never seen him play like that.
He is more of a playmaker than a striker IMO. Hope he will bloom for the rest of the season.

Ossington Mental Youth
07-23-2009, 11:25 AM
i do hope we sign Vitti (permanently but at a much lower salary, id prefer in the 100k but wouldnt be pissed at 200k, i forsee only more good things coming from him)

v00d00daddy
07-23-2009, 11:36 AM
Defintely fair comment.

But for $300,000 in this league, you need more than what he brings - all over the pitch...

Like I said, I really like the kid, he has tons of skill, but what he does on the pitch does not equal $300,000 in this league...

Carts...


I agree that Vitti makes a lot of money and it's hard to quantify what he does for all that dough. He is great on the ball but fades in and out sometimes. For the record..he should have had an assist if Robbo could have converted this open header:

http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=899 (2:20 point)

Speaking of Robbo. He's made 300k + for 3 seasons now.

Any problem with him making that much?

This team is moving towards a style of play that better suits Vitti as opposed to Robbo.

You're right....TFC should be paying Vitti less. Whatever that number is....Robbo should make 50 grand less than Vitti.

I'll agree with your point of getting rid of Vitti just as soon as they get rid of Robbo.

Also...name a player who played better than Vitti last night.

gtaguy
07-23-2009, 11:49 AM
I agree that Vitti makes a lot of money and it's hard to quantify what he does for all that dough. He is great on the ball but fades in and out sometimes. For the record..he should have had an assist if Robbo could have converted this open header:

http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/console.jsp?catid=2&id=899 (2:20 point)

Speaking of Robbo. He's made 300k + for 3 seasons now.

Any problem with him making that much?

This team is moving towards a style of play that better suits Vitti as opposed to Robbo.

You're right....TFC should be paying Vitti less. Whatever that number is....Robbo should make 50 grand less than Vitti.

I'll agree with your point of getting rid of Vitti just as soon as they get rid of Robbo.

Also...name a player who played better than Vitti last night.


GABE GALA..

v00d00daddy
07-23-2009, 11:54 AM
GABE GALA..

...played well but not as well as Vitti. imo

He played well for a guy that we've seen very little of, and as such, had very low expectations. He was a pleasant surprise but he wasn't the best player on the field in red.

TFC Via Buffalo
07-23-2009, 11:56 AM
Fun little game. Top right half of 110 was going good again. Good to see Gerba and OBW out there. Not so good to see Velez. I'd have rather seen Mo in there playing.

And, I know Gerba's a bigger guy and this is no rip on him, but seeing him in the #10 just brought a song to my head to the tune of Let's Get Fucking Mental:

Who Ate Rohan Ricketts?
Who Ate Rohan Ricketts?

gtaguy
07-23-2009, 12:02 PM
...played well but not as well as Vitti. imo

He played well for a guy that we've seen very little of, and as such, had very low expectations. He was a pleasant surprise but he wasn't the best player on the field in red.


one of the few players that played the whole 90 minutes. I was quite impressed with his speed, his creativity and his crosses..

Vitti in no way defrauded us however its always the same thing..

not one pass to end in a goal, didn't capitalize on his chances and the missed PK tells me that he will always impress but never be a decisive factor in a game...

Yohan
07-23-2009, 01:33 PM
This team is moving towards a style of play that better suits Vitti as opposed to Robbo.

You're right....TFC should be paying Vitti less. Whatever that number is....Robbo should make 50 grand less than Vitti.

uh no. whatever formation you're playing in, there will always be some sort of DM.

so better comparison is Vitti vs Guevara, or Vitti vs DeRosario.

Robbo can't do Vitti's job, Vitti can't do Robbo's job

grizzle
07-23-2009, 02:44 PM
Kenny Cooper - Striker
Connor Casey - Striker
Nate Jacqua - Striker

Oddly enough, a position Vitti has never played on this team.

Where do some people get this mis-conception that Vitti is a striker and he should be bagging goals left and right? we have Gerba, Barrett, Dichio, OBWhite who are supposively true strikers, leave the goal scoring up to them and to Guevara and Dero as well.

Do you think you'll ever see Kenny Cooper helping out the defense the way Vitti does? hell no. So how could you expect him to score the same amount of goals?

Very well said! Who cares what Vitti gets paid? If there is someone better to come in and they need to clear up cap space they will do it. I think he is doing a great job and hope they bring him back.

grizzle
07-23-2009, 02:47 PM
Defintely fair comment.

But for $300,000 in this league, you need more than what he brings - all over the pitch...

Like I said, I really like the kid, he has tons of skill, but what he does on the pitch does not equal $300,000 in this league...

Carts...

Out of curiousity do you think Robinson equals $300k?

Carts
07-23-2009, 03:04 PM
Out of curiousity do you think Robinson equals $300k?

That's a good question...

For the team as a whole, I don't think the two of them are worth taking up $600,000 right now...

Its just in this league, you can get a player, that can be a game changer for less than $300,000...

If Gerba can up our goals-to-chances rate, then I'll stop being such a stick in the mud (which I know I'm being right now)... LOL

Take Guevara, he takes up $300,000 of cap space, $12,000 more than Vitti, but does so much more. 5-goals, 4-assists. Takes our corners, our free-kicks (which I know will add to the offensive totals)... He's worth his weight in gold...!

We need to up our goals-to-chances ratio - with his salary not guaranteed it might be the easiest option to free up room (if needed) if we can bring in someone to do that. Hopefully, Gerba is the answer and Vitti can stay, because as I say, I really like the kid...

Carts...

grizzle
07-23-2009, 03:22 PM
That's a good question...

For the team as a whole, I don't think the two of them are worth taking up $600,000 right now...

Its just in this league, you can get a player, that can be a game changer for less than $300,000...

If Gerba can up our goals-to-chances rate, then I'll stop being such a stick in the mud (which I know I'm being right now)... LOL

Take Guevara, he takes up $300,000 of cap space, $12,000 more than Vitti, but does so much more. 5-goals, 4-assists. Takes our corners, our free-kicks (which I know will add to the offensive totals)... He's worth his weight in gold...!

We need to up our goals-to-chances ratio - with his salary not guaranteed it might be the easiest option to free up room (if needed) if we can bring in someone to do that. Hopefully, Gerba is the answer and Vitti can stay, because as I say, I really like the kid...

Carts...

I see what you mean, but it also seems like players go on runs, they are great for 5 games, then play like crap for the next few. With Guevara (for example), some games he plays his heart out but other games he looks lost and not all there. Comparing him to Vitti is also hard because I would expect stats like that more with someone like Guevara since he is the one taking almost all of the free kicks and corners which usually result in the goals. Don't get me wrong though, I love Guevara, but some games I find myself thinking WTF is he doing.

FWIW, I think Vitti has helped create a lot of chances that other players have thrown away. He consistently goes out on the field and gives it his all, which is something I don't see in several of the higher paid players.

I agree though with Gerba, hopefully he can fit right in with the team and help them find that back of the net on a more regular basis.

Juanito
07-23-2009, 03:26 PM
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v00d00daddy
07-23-2009, 04:30 PM
uh no. whatever formation you're playing in, there will always be some sort of DM.

so better comparison is Vitti vs Guevara, or Vitti vs DeRosario.

Robbo can't do Vitti's job, Vitti can't do Robbo's job

What are you disagreeing with here?

I didn't say anything about formation. If you're implying that even with "possession" tactics you need a DM...you're right.

More importantly, you need a DM that can move the ball. Robbo might as well be a 5th defender for all of his attacking talent. The idea of a DM who does nothing but close players down and win balls to be played out to the wings is dead and gone. It's as archaic as the "sweeper".

Holding mids in contemporary football need to make themselves on option when their team mates are attacking. They don't need to score goals or jump up in the play at every opportunity....they just need to avoid playing like a 5th defender and nothing more....which is exactly what Robbo does. (except for last night for some reason. He was jumping into the attack a little...nice to see but it won't last. lol)

Vitti is young, talented, and still improving and making 300k a year.

Robbo is aging, has very little technical ability and is only getting worse with each passing game/week/season.

You tell me who is more worthy of a big salary.

Oh...and if you're into comparisons....how bout this one:

Robbo vs. Cronin

TFC would miss Robbo if he was moved or if he left, but not as much as people think.

Yohan
07-23-2009, 05:30 PM
What are you disagreeing with here?

I didn't say anything about formation. If you're implying that even with "possession" tactics you need a DM...you're right.

More importantly, you need a DM that can move the ball. Robbo might as well be a 5th defender for all of his attacking talent. The idea of a DM who does nothing but close players down and win balls to be played out to the wings is dead and gone. It's as archaic as the "sweeper".

Holding mids in contemporary football need to make themselves on option when their team mates are attacking. They don't need to score goals or jump up in the play at every opportunity....they just need to avoid playing like a 5th defender and nothing more....which is exactly what Robbo does. (except for last night for some reason. He was jumping into the attack a little...nice to see but it won't last. lol)

Vitti is young, talented, and still improving and making 300k a year.

Robbo is aging, has very little technical ability and is only getting worse with each passing game/week/season.

You tell me who is more worthy of a big salary.

Oh...and if you're into comparisons....how bout this one:

Robbo vs. Cronin

TFC would miss Robbo if he was moved or if he left, but not as much as people think.
dude. you're trying to make a comparison between a DM and an AM

it's like comparing apples and oranges

if you want to compare Robbo and Cronin, that's fine. but Vitti and Robbo? meh

v00d00daddy
07-24-2009, 12:53 AM
dude. you're trying to make a comparison between a DM and an AM

it's like comparing apples and oranges

if you want to compare Robbo and Cronin, that's fine. but Vitti and Robbo? meh

I'm comparing them based on their salaries...not the roles they play on the team.

The point was that we've been content with a guy (Robbo) who is much less talented and at the end of his career who makes 300k+.

Now we've got a guy who has twice the talent and ten times the potential (Vitti) who makes the same amount and people expect so much more from him and have gone so far as to suggest we get rid of him. (to the point that a new thread has created on the subject)

I just find that funny.

Shakes McQueen
07-24-2009, 01:27 AM
I'm comparing them based on their salaries...not the roles they play on the team.

The point was that we've been content with a guy (Robbo) who is much less talented and at the end of his career who makes 300k+.

Now we've got a guy who has twice the talent and ten times the potential (Vitti) who makes the same amount and people expect so much more from him and have gone so far as to suggest we get rid of him. (to the point that a new thread has created on the subject)

I just find that funny.

But you're operating on the subjective assumption that Vitti is "twice as talented" as Robbo, when you're comparing two players with completely different responsibilities on the field to begin with. That's an incredibly awkward starting point for a debate.

- Scott

TorontoBlades
07-24-2009, 08:47 AM
Is that a prediction?

no we one the Canada cup....we're 1 for 2 so far

v00d00daddy
07-24-2009, 10:13 AM
But you're operating on the subjective assumption that Vitti is "twice as talented" as Robbo, when you're comparing two players with completely different responsibilities on the field to begin with. That's an incredibly awkward starting point for a debate.

- Scott

All comparisons of soccer players are subjective. It's my opinion, which is skewed because I like one guy more than the other.

Let's forget about talent for a moment. Robbo has not been playing well this year. Robbo is not getting younger. Robbo's style does not mesh with guys like DeRo, Guevara, Vitti, Cronin, Serioux, or Garcia.

All this and most people drool over Robbo and slag Vitti. It makes no sense to me.

Yohan
07-24-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm comparing them based on their salaries...not the roles they play on the team.

The point was that we've been content with a guy (Robbo) who is much less talented and at the end of his career who makes 300k+.

Now we've got a guy who has twice the talent and ten times the potential (Vitti) who makes the same amount and people expect so much more from him and have gone so far as to suggest we get rid of him. (to the point that a new thread has created on the subject)

I just find that funny.
although in MLS you do have to look at salaries, using salaries as a sole comparison to judge a player's value to team is just wrong