New England and Toronto deal today

[counterattack]

Don't have any details, but they will be coming shortly

[werewolf]

umm cool. thanks.

:noidea:

[tfctillidie]

thanks for the heads up..are you Ives in disguise?

[werewolf]

someone is giving Big Bruva a run for his money

"Counterattack speaks the truth!"

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Twellman for the rights to MCBRIDE!!! :)


j/k

[tfctillidie]

is it Cunningham gone?...can't wait for the details

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

is it Cunningham gone?...can't wait for the details

Cunningham to revs......Huckerby to TFC!!! :noidea:


this will have me up all night now...t'll we get word! :)

[Daveisonfire]

:icon_bs: until proven otherwise

[DigzTFC!]

My guess is we traded for Matt Britner rights...Supplemental pick 4rth round.

[Azerban]

yes i also have knowledge of a deal also but don't have even the slightest bit of detail listen closely, the deal is

[nascarguy]

:icon_bs: until proven otherwiseI'm with you

[TorontoFC_Matt]

if this is a rick rolled bullshit thread I am going to rip new shit holes

[Corpand]

Zinger!

[Raging Reggie]

Cunningham to revs......Huckerby to TFC!!! :noidea:


this will have me up all night now...t'll we get word! :)

yea, im at work now and im off tommorrow, i will be up lurking and lurking!

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

Twellman to TFC....TFC sends 20,000 fans to fill the Revs stadium

[Draracle]

and it begins again.... I love this game!

[werewolf]

Maybe we got one of their excess African strikers, Dube or Mansally.

[TorontoFC_Matt]

Twellman to TFC....TFC sends 20,000 fans to fill the Revs stadium

make that our waiting list fans :p

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

There’s a number of players on their roster worth trading for:

http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/team/index.cfm?ac=players&Grid=1

I hope we here something about this sooner than later.

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

make that our waiting list fans :p

i stand corrected....:o

[MG42]

how many posts does this guy ha....oh nevermind....

[TorontoFC_Matt]

I'm going to bed, I got work in the morning. I can read this when it hits 10+ pages in the morning hahaha

[dantdot]

We await your information TFC harbinger of the internets.

[Keyman]

And you are?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Don't have any details, but they will be coming shortly

atleaste back your comment up with a source....someone close to the team?......ect..ect :)

shortly?? does this mean in the next hour...1 day? three weeks? :) your killing me

[Draracle]

Twellman and something for first allocation would seem about right. I think we would have to waive Cunny, or trade him to afford Twellman. But he would suit our needs perfectly right now without eating up a DP, as McBride would. Also, I seem to remember NE poking around for a DP in the preseason -- there are only so many second place cup finishes one team can take!

[TFC111]

Twellman would be cool, but he wants to go to the League Championship for a potential promotion contender.

[Azerban]

if anyone thinks we're getting twellman they're on some serious drugs hope this helps

[Raging Reggie]

lordy lordy lordy....who can it be! DETAILS NOW

[Pachuco]

I dont want Twellman, I'll take Mansally instead thank you. Hasn't Twellman been injured twice this year? he's also been pretty open about not being happy that NE blocked his trade in the off season.

[werewolf]

if anyone thinks we're getting twellman they're on some serious drugs hope this helps


Even for McBride? Twellman might have some lingering negative feelings after not being allowed to go to England, I could see him wanting out.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

Maybe Phelan for one of Dube, Nyassi, Mansally, or Manzonelli?

[Footie-11]

I think were thinking too big here. I dont think a blockboster deal will go down(no twellman - although i do think hes a great player)

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

where's counterattack (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/member.php?u=863) :noidea::hide:

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

I think were thinking too big here. I dont think a blockboster deal will go down(no twellman - although i do think hes a great player)

I agree it’s not going to be Twellman. If the Revs. wouldn’t sell him to Preston, why would they trade him to TFC?

I’m hoping it’s one of their younger players. Dube would be a nice fit with TFC.

[Keyman]

Laughing at how gullible you all are!

[Pachuco]

Laughing at how gullible you all are!

CounterAttack = 125_TFC in disguise

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Laughing at how gullible you all are!

jeeezus.......your so fooookin serious!:D

[ManUtd4ever]

Oh what the hell, it's been a while since we've had a thread like this, lol...

[Keyman]

CounterAttack = 125_TFC in disguise
Oh snap!
How'd you know?:taz:


Last time I doubted anonymous poster, it turned out to be true. So don't listen to me...

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Oh what the hell, it's been a while since we've had a thread like this, lol...


dats wut im talkin about!:auto:

[werewolf]

Cunningham, Harmse and McBride, for Twellman, Nyassi, Joseph, an allocation and 1st-round draft pick

[ManUtd4ever]

if anyone thinks we're getting twellman they're on some serious drugs hope this helps

:stogey:

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Cunningham, Harmse and McBride, for Twellman, Nyassi, Joseph, an allocation and 1st-round draft pick


and the rights to andy welsh of course!

[Lucky Strike]

So basically, there is no evidence of anything anywhere, but are enjoying the speculation and the off-chance it may be true. I love transfer threads like this! As for my opinion, Twellman is very good but in the long-term, we may not want him. As mentioned, he is looking to go to England. Mansally or Dubé are interesting but are they yet proven? Not quite enough yet in my opinion.

[Raging Reggie]

CounterAttack is MoJo's cuz i hear

CouterAttack tells no lies.......

[Pachuco]

Personally if something is going to happen then this is my thought. We have an abundance of defenders, they have an abundance of strikers. However, Phelan has seen no playing time. So I am thinking more along the lines of Julius James for Dube or Mansally.

How is NE's defensive situation?

[werewolf]

CounterAttack is MoJo's cuz i hear

CouterAttack tells no lies.......


thats been copyrighted! its "counterattack speaks the truth!"

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

CounterAttack is MoJo's cuz i hear

CouterAttack tells no lies.......
:pbjtime:

[arbogast]

Seriously, do you guys really think they'll send us a young blue chip player like Nyassi for a stiff like Cunningham? I doubt it. Besides we don't need a midfielder right now.

I could see Cunny traded for the rights to Pat Noonan, who's apparently coming back to MLS.

[Red CB Toronto]

What is the deal behind this storry, is something happening or not.

[ag futbol]

Khano Smith is the obvious target. Steve Nicol bought new wingers, he's replacable. for us, we need more depth out on the wing. Works in my books.

No way we're getting any of Casto, Mansally, Nyassi. These guys have ripped mls defenders a new one all year.

[jayeden]

we're trading them the 1st spot in allocation for the turf at foxborough

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

we're trading them the 1st spot in allocation for the turf at foxborough

Plastic for Plastic...hmmm sounds good!

[Keyman]

Khano Smith is the obvious target. Steve Nicol bought new wingers, he's replacable. for us, we need more depth out on the wing. Works in my books.

Smith would be interesting. He can't cross for shit, but he's very dangerous with the ball at his feet. He would definitely help out Robert on the left as cover.

[bhoybobby]

Was a time, several months ago, where people freked when you spun a trade yarn

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Was a time, several months ago, where people freked when you spun a trade yarn

Times are great when your winning Bobby! :party:

[ManUtd4ever]

Once upon a time mods would delete a thread like this without a link...now that TFC is solid on the pitch we can all lighten up! This McBride saga however it turns out is a bonus...

[bhoybobby]

Times are great when your winning Bobby! :party:


I guess so, I also recall you were one of the most offended.

Funny old game eh

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Once upon a time mods would delete a thread like this without a link...now that TFC is solid on the pitch we can all lighten up! This McBride saga however it turns out is a bonus...



QFT!!!

its unreal!!

[a.jin50]

what is tfc's salary cap?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

2.7 ish.......i think! with a DP slot of course..!

[Keyman]

Was a time, several months ago, where people freked when you spun a trade yarn
:o
Don't remind me

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

:o
Don't remind me

atleaste you were posting.......and gving us information.....this fellow just split after making the thread! :)

[a.jin50]

tfc should scout from those division 2 south american leagues....or even like the J-League or K-League....with our fan base who wudnt want to play with us

[Richard D]

Beowulf.

[ensco]

McBride is only going to Chicago

[Oldtimer]

Big Brutha was for real, but 98% of posters like this are bogus. I'll wait and see. Just 'cus BB was real doesn't mean we should believe every unknown poster who comes along with some rumour.

[rocker]

Was a time, several months ago, where people freked when you spun a trade yarn


was a time, several months ago, when people said mo johnston was a "fuckwit" too.... but thankfully times change ;)

[ExiledRed]

Was a time, several months ago, where people freked when you spun a trade yarn


Yours were quite obviously, undeniably , bullshit from the top of your head based on what you would like to see. (Laarson and Bellamy I recall) and we all knew it.:hump:

Counterattack is giving us a heads up for a deal between our club and another in MLS, not spinning a yarn about a specific big name player or DP.

If it turns out to be true, we can trust him in future.

'

[ensco]

I wonder if NE wants Phelan. He's buried here, but there were a lot of people who thought he should have gone in the top 5. NE has holes at the back, Chicago has thrashed them 7-0 in their two games so far.

It just seemed to say something that it was Gyan, and not Phelan, who was the late sub last Saturday. (I also freely admit that it may mean nothing!)

`

[Don Julio]

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/436800

[Pigfynn]

Who's that spot for? hmmmmm

[Steve]

Who's that spot for? hmmmmm

We actually have two now. One that Phelan was taking, and one that we got. I would say one is going to be used for a DP striker, and the other for an international Dev player (perhaps the 18 year old we have now on trial).

[invictusTFC]

The deal is Pat Phelan in exchange for an additional International Roster spot. It was just reported in the Toronto Sun website... They also promoted Jarrod Smith to the senior squad.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/436800

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Yours were quite obviously, undeniably , bullshit from the top of your head based on what you would like to see. (Laarson and Bellamy I recall) and we all knew it.:hump:

Counterattack is giving us a heads up for a deal between our club and another in MLS, not spinning a yarn about a specific big name player or DP.

If it turns out to be true, we can trust him in future.

'
guess thats been answerd!! :)

BIGBRUVA tells know lies!!
Counterattack SPEAKS THE TRUTH!! :)

[Red CB Toronto]

Smith was also elevated to the Senior roster, which means a salary jump, good for him.

[James17930]

But does that mean Smith takes up one of those spots? Or was he already taking up one?

[rocker]

Smith already was int so the spot received from NE doesn't change anything there.
But what it does is it means that TFC can now have more flexibility with signing another player. They could sign another international to the senior roster (altho would have to dump somebody from the senior roster by my calculation). I think it's really about flexibility in the type of player you bring in.
Cuz if they had just traded Phelan for a draft pick then they'd free up his INT or American-designated spot (it's unclear which was in use for him).
but it means TFC probably has 2 designations available now for an incoming player. An incoming player could be international or could be American-int (if Phelan's spot was American-int).
A number of those non-domestic spots had to be American.
I'm assuming this means whoever Mo brings in the future will displace one of the Americans and not one of the true internationals.

[ExiledRed]

I didnt realise international slots, were tradeable.

Shame about Phelan, there arent enough bearded redheads in Toronto in my opinion.

[ensco]

I wonder if NE wants Phelan. He's buried here, but there were a lot of people who thought he should have gone in the top 5. NE has holes at the back, Chicago has thrashed them 7-0 in their two games so far.

It just seemed to say something that it was Gyan, and not Phelan, who was the late sub last Saturday. (I also freely admit that it may mean nothing!)

`

So, what do you all think about this comment now? ;)

[MG42]

this should be at least a 10 pager by 5:00 :)

[Ossington Mental Youth]

They could sign another international to the senior roster (altho would have to dump somebody from the senior roster by my calculation).

Or drop somebody down.
Excited to see where this is going...

[Limani_Ole]

anyone who the break down of International slots / US players / Domestic etc.. ??

it would make sense they treated for an Int slot to bring Smith into the senior roster..

[Eastend]

Twellman to TFC....TFC sends 20,000 fans to fill the Revs stadium

We got screwed on this trade then. Mo is falling from grace.

[Chevy]

Could they have simply released Phelan and freed up a roster spot?

[Lucky Strike]

Wikipedia is updated. Interesting move. Phelan traded away isn't so surprising as he so far down the depth chart but acquiring a international slot is totally unexpected, despite it making so much sense. I guess we all forgot about this option.

[Lucky Strike]

Could they have simply released Phelan and freed up a roster spot?

Yes, but now we have 2 free international slots instead of just one.

[Northern Soul]

Wikipedia is updated. Interesting move. Phelan traded away isn't so surprising as he so far down the depth chart but acquiring a international slot is totally unexpected, despite it making so much sense. I guess we all forgot about this option.

I didn't even know it was an option. MLS has so many rules, it's hard to keep track. Either way, this is an interesting move. Should make for an interesting next few weeks.

[Oldtimer]

I didn't even know it was an option. MLS has so many rules, it's hard to keep track. Either way, this is an interesting move. Should make for an interesting next few weeks.

This is a very significant trade for TFC.

One of Toronto's Int'l spots already was from a trade and expires (goes back to its original club) next year. So it doesn't necessarily mean that TFC is going to sign two internationals. More likely it means Mo is going to sign someone (DP striker?) to a multi-year deal.

Clever trading by Mo IMO. TFC gets room to sign a striker to a multi-year deal, and Phelan gets a chance to break into a less deep squad.

Looks like counterattack was the real deal.

[Shaughno]

This is a very significant trade for TFC.

One of Toronto's Int'l spots already was from a trade and expires (goes back to its original club) next year. So it doesn't necessarily mean that TFC is going to sign two internationals. More likely it means Mo is going to sign someone (DP striker?) to a multi-year deal.

Clever trading by Mo IMO. TFC gets room to sign a striker to a multi-year deal, and Phelan gets a chance to break into a less deep squad.

Looks like counterattack was the real deal.


Agreed on the significance. Definitely has shown once again that Mo seems to own the market when it comes to making deals.

[ensco]

The value of high draft picks....is proving to be "not much". (I hope JJ is the exception.)

Yallop traded the first overall pick this year for a journeyman, and the first overall pick next year for an oft-injured veteran (albeit a very good one).

There isn't a single 2008 top pick making a difference anywhere.

We just released the 10th overall pick last year, and now made this year's 10th overall pick a minor part of a package of a bigger deal (at least I think that's how it will pan out, as others have noted this deal doesn't stand alone)

[rocker]

slightly off topic, but this is why I didn't make much of mojo not drafting people in the supplementary draft. if these high picks are worth that little, and the supplementary guys almost never pan out, there's no reason to draft them and hold their rights. Rights-holding only limits those kids chances to move around the league, and any non-drafted players can be invited to camp anyways. but it also shows how the only draft picks worth it to other teams are American kids. Phelan had some value because he's an American. If TFC drafts a Canadian in that spot, he has almost no trade value within the league. Same with Edwards in goal -- it was better to draft an American goalie like him and see if he can perform than to sign Wagenaar if all things are equal and roster spots not a problem. If need be, Edwards can get something in return; Wagenaar would just be released.

[giambac]

atleaste back your comment up with a source....someone close to the team?......ect..ect :)

shortly?? does this mean in the next hour...1 day? three weeks? :) your killing me


Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.

[werewolf]

^ Did you not read the rest of the thread?

[Shaughno]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.


Pardon?

[jloome]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.

hee hee, in our ongoing flame battle Giambac, this one is just too easy.

[Flashman]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.


Lol, speaking of coffee, wake up and smell it :p

[Sab0tage]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh. Lol? It's clearly been reported by several sources such as Sportsnet. Sportsnet even has a brief interview with MoJo on the topic.

[Northern Soul]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.

Oh wow...:eek:

[Bluenose13]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.Consistently the "Village Idiot"

[Flipityflu]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.


wow, everybody sure did fall for it. sportsnet, toronto star, globe and mail, tsn. even poor pat got fooled...he was already on a flight to New England.
best. joke. ever.

[ExiledRed]

I was confident counterattack's tip was a good one.

It was a pretty poor rumour to try and 'stir' the board up with. (there's going to be an unspecified trade between TFC and NER.....that's it...no names, no details, nothing)

A rumourmonger would have given more details, otherwise whats the fucking point?

[Shaughno]

I was confident counterattack's tip was a good one.

It was a pretty poor rumour to try and 'stir' the board up with. (there's going to be an unspecified trade between TFC and NER.....that's it...no names, no details, nothing)

A rumourmonger would have given more details, otherwise whats the fucking point?


Agreed, which is why I neglected to call the dude out on it but at the same time, I'm always going to wait and see what pans out.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.


i thought id make it 8 quotes in a row!!

:)

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

counterattack who is this masked man!!! PB in disquise..:) i thinking this one came from the inside!! ;)

[T.Reis]

looks like a trade did happen.....

sorry we doughted u Counter

[Rudi]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.
So are you being dense intentionally, or does it come naturally to you?

[RedsYNWA]

Anyone know when the transfer window opens......could be interesting

[TO DEVILS]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.


WOW!!!:eek::eek::D

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Anyone know when the transfer window opens......could be interesting

July 15th i think?

[BeachRed]

There isn't a single 2008 top pick making a difference anywhere.



It's a little early to say that, though, isn't it? It would be a bad sign for the league if draft picks could have immediate impact on teams. Surely the level of play must be higher in MLS than college and it could take a couple years for rookies - even high draft picks - to break into established starting line-ups.

One or two exceptions a year seems about right.

[TheRenter]

Anyone know when the transfer window opens......could be interesting

June 16th but don't quote me...and yes very interesting, and quite exciting, to say the least.

"We're goooonna wwwin the lllllleague!"

[ThunderBaby]

Here's a rumour for you:
(TFC website)
Justin Mapp and Wilman Conde of the Chicago Fire are rumored trade bait for Toronto FC's stake on Brian McBride incoming from the English Premiership.

[ensco]

It's a little early to say that, though, isn't it? It would be a bad sign for the league if draft picks could have immediate impact on teams. Surely the level of play must be higher in MLS than college and it could take a couple years for rookies - even high draft picks - to break into established starting line-ups.

One or two exceptions a year seems about right.

Maybe. But I think our view is overly influenced by 2007, which was obviously an unusually good draft year. It's striking to see the difference between how the top 10 did in 2007, and how they're doing in 2008 (and did in 2006)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_MLS_SuperDraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_MLS_SuperDraft

This league is getting better fast.

[jloome]

My guess is that the Phelan deal has nothing to do with McBride. I think they'll either forgo their allocation on him to retain top spot, or this is a double flip of some type. But either way, that int'l slot will be for a striker who wants to play here.

[giambac]

^ Did you not read the rest of the thread?


No , didn't have time. But I guess I've been caught with my foor in my mouth.

Sorry Counterattck. I take muy previous comment back.

[Broadview]

slightly off topic, but this is why I didn't make much of mojo not drafting people in the supplementary draft. if these high picks are worth that little, and the supplementary guys almost never pan out, there's no reason to draft them and hold their rights.

Jarrod Smith came in last years supplemental draft. That Flores kid on Chivas was picked from a reality show.

The ocean is big, but there are peals in there.

I think giambac is my favourite poster. I'm not even kidding. When he first showed up in here I hated him. But now I get a kick outta his posts for many reasons such as the reactions he gets out of people and for laugh out loud rashness like we see in this thread today. Plus, he helped somebody get tickets he wasn't going to use.

More giambac!

[Pachuco]

Counterattack has started a RUMOUR and everyone has fallen for it.

Everyone has to much time on their hands. It's a joke, a complete joke, a rumour which probaly started over coffee. I'm sure he is having a good laugh.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you probably typed this message late last night, then went to sleep. What you didn't realize is that you forgot to click "Submit Reply" before you left. Your laptop went into sleep mode, woke up an hour ago and decided to click "Submit Reply" without you knowing, hence the comment.....

nahhh, who am I kidding, YOU ACTUALLY ARE A MORON!!!!!

[BeachRed]

Maybe. But I think our view is overly influenced by 2007, which was obviously an unusually good draft year. It's striking to see the difference between how the top 10 did in 2007, and how they're doing in 2008 (and did in 2006)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_MLS_SuperDraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_MLS_SuperDraft

This league is getting better fast.


Yes, the league is getting better fast and it's likely going to continue at this pace for a while.

Drafts are inconsistent and therefore quite unpredictable. But for a North American league which is using the NFL as a model the college draft is likely going to be an important part of its growth. As the college system gets better (and it's getting better fast, too) the draft will become a little more consistent.

In the meantime, we seem to be doing quite well by the draft. If teams want to trade us high draft picks, hey, that's fine.

[Mikey]

http://americansoccerreader.com/2008/06/04/toronto-fc-trades-pat-phelan-to-new-england/

phelan gone?

[Pachuco]

^wow, amazing how many people don't stop to read anything before they post

[ExiledRed]

^^What are you referring to?

[ExiledRed]

:):):):):)

[Razor]

how do you go through 4 pages and not notice Phelan has been traded? :D

[ensco]

btw, did I miss something, or did we move Ronnie O'Brien?

[ExiledRed]

they traded Phelan?.........bastards.

[Pachuco]

btw, did I miss something, or did we move Ronnie O'Brien?

LOL :taz::taz::taz:

[Flipityflu]

wait, Toronto has an MLS team? holy shit knickers.

[giambac]

Jarrod Smith came in last years supplemental draft. That Flores kid on Chivas was picked from a reality show.

The ocean is big, but there are peals in there.

I think giambac is my favourite poster. I'm not even kidding. When he first showed up in here I hated him. But now I get a kick outta his posts for many reasons such as the reactions he gets out of people and for laugh out loud rashness like we see in this thread today. Plus, he helped somebody get tickets he wasn't going to use.

More giambac!


Thanks,

I can use the odd compliment.
I must admit I do tend to jump the gun at times. I am a very passionate TFC fan and love soccer (can't wait for the Euro 2008 and my AZZURI). I seem to dive right into these threads without reading the 4-5 pages of comments. When I see rumours of trades etc I get excited but am always scepticle. I will however admit when I'm wrong and I have been wrong on several occasions (just ask my wife)

1) I blasted Mo at the beginning of the season for his lack of action. But wow hats off to him, he has assembled a good team and definetly knows what he is doing.

2) I have continously blasted RR since his signing. Wasn't impressed in his first 5 games. But he looked solid last Saturday and i'm hoping he keeps that up and proves me wrong again.

3) I didn't believe counterattck and thoght it was another made up rumour thread. I was wrong and will admit it.

All in all I love the game, the team and this forum. Great entertainment for me.

P.S.

One thing I won't be wrong with. The 2008 EURO champions will be the Azurri, even without their CAPTAIN CANNAVARO.


Shit I hope this didn't open another can of worms:)

[Northern Soul]

http://americansoccerreader.com/2008/06/04/toronto-fc-trades-pat-phelan-to-new-england/

phelan gone?

Seriously? :noidea:

Why post in a thread if you aren't going to read it? :eek:

[Northern Soul]

wait, Toronto has an MLS team? holy shit knickers.

What's an MLS? Is that Minor League Soccer? :rolleyes:

[ensco]

"Soccer"?

I looked it up on wikipedia.

Can you believe that there's a game, with a ball, where you can't use your hands?

This must be some kind of joke.

[Bombonera]

"Soccer"?

I looked it up on wikipedia.

Can you believe that there's a game, with a ball, where you can't use your hands?

This must be some kind of joke.

Soccer - see. FOOT-BALL.

[Bobo]

Wow talk about a joke wearing thin.

giaambac, your Azzuri actually spelled Azzurri.

[andyc]

"Soccer"?

I looked it up on wikipedia.

Can you believe that there's a game, with a ball, where you can't use your hands?

This must be some kind of joke.


Maybe that game should be called football or something....

:D

[Daveisonfire]

:icon_bs: until proven otherwise

proven otherwise:)

[giambac]

Wow talk about a joke wearing thin.

giaambac, your Azzuri actually spelled Azzurri.


quick typing man. I'm at work and have to type quick without proof reading:cool:

[TO DEVILS]

I am a very passionate TFC fan and love soccer (can't wait for the Euro 2008 and my AZZURI).

This explains this...


I seem to dive right into these threads

:D:D:D

[Keyman]

And this is why I'm always wrong about these things :D

I'm sorry I doubted this.

As Oldtimer said earlier in the thread, this is a very significant trade. Watch the dominos fall into place now.

[Daveisonfire]

This explains this...



:D:D:D

^ hahaha, I knew it was going to come sooner or later

[giambac]

This explains this...



:D:D:D

Are you saying their players dive????? Impossibe. Unbelieveable.

You must be seeing something i don't :):):):)

[The Pope]

Are you saying their players dive????? Impossibe. Unbelieveable.

You must be seeing something i don't :):):):)

wcCw9RHI5mc

[Rawkus_420]

One thing I won't be wrong with. The 2008 EURO champions will be the Azurri, even without their CAPTAIN CANNAVARO.




That my friend will NOT happen!! Mark my words ! The Azzuri will go the way of the red bulls because they are shiite! Oh the azzuri are shiiiiiite!!!! hahahahah, I love stirring this pot!

**Please refer back to this post after the shitzzuri are eliminated from the euros for diving too much or just for losing!****:hump:

[Rawkus_420]

italians are the worst divers in professional football

[Cambridge_Red]

The Redbulls are shite???

[bhoybobby]

was a time, several months ago, when people said mo johnston was a "fuckwit" too.... but thankfully times change ;)

Here we go again, with Mo's wee brother licking his ball sack again.

Mo's been given stick for procrastinating & training on the job. Mo, has also been given lot's of credit for our success this season.

That's how the game works, Some fans can change their opinion the job people are doing when, there is a positive change. It goes both ways.:D

You should never follow blindly & not question, that's the domain of leaf fans. It's been refreshing on this new board to see fans debate & put forward opinions without pompous asses climbing all over them.

Long may it last.

[ExiledRed]

Its also good that people can claim that they see potential in a player or intelligence in a coaches decision, without someone claiming that they are related to and engage in homosexual acts with said player/coach.

wait....scratch that.

[rocker]

Here we go again, with Mo's wee brother licking his ball sack again.

Mo's been given stick for procrastinating & training on the job. Mo, has also been given lot's of credit for our success this season.

That's how the game works, Some fans can change their opinion the job people are doing when, there is a positive change. It goes both ways.:D

You should never follow blindly & not question, that's the domain of leaf fans. It's been refreshing on this new board to see fans debate & put forward opinions without pompous asses climbing all over them.

Long may it last.

no, you're just wishy-washy and when things change you change your opinion. Cunny will score 3 goals and you'll be "ohh, I take it all back, Cunny is great!" You did it with Mo! ;) You licked Mo's balls after Mo proved you wrong. If you're going to twist and turn in the wind, it's good to see you always turn to my side of things (the smart, forward looking, non-reactionary perspective) ;) You just didn't realize in the offseason that what you call "procrastination" was a plan -- you just didn't see it.

[jloome]

and when things change you change your opinion. Cunny will score 3 goals and you'll be "ohh, I take it all back, Cunny is great!" You did it with Mo!

Dude, it doesn't ever look particularly intelligent to criticize people for changing their mind. Having the humility to admit that either the situation has changed or you made a bad error in judgment by prejudging is a good thing, not a failing. If more people did it, society would be a lot nicer and more productive in general.

[TFC-Tyler]

Yay, Jarrod Smith kicks chicken fried ballsac!

[ExiledRed]

Dude, it doesn't ever look particularly intelligent to criticize people for changing their mind. Having the humility to admit that either the situation has changed or you made a bad error in judgment by prejudging is a good thing, not a failing. If more people did it, society would be a lot nicer and more productive in general.

totally different from what is happening here:

It's one thing to change your opinion, but its also important to add:

I apologise that I called you a clueless twat, for disagreeing with me, especially when it turns out that you were right after all. I apologise for claiming you have your head up your arse and for inferring that you are a homosexual who does special favours for Mo Johnston.

Also, this doesnt work:

"I was wrong, but supporters are supposed to be wrong, otherwise they are blindly supporting, and not questioning."

[ExiledRed]

Saying that,

Ive not disagreed with a single one of bobby's statements this season.

Ricketts needs to read the game better. Cunny isn't trying. Our team play better for Dichio's presence.

Bobby is a passionate fan, who shoots from the lip and has a glut of experience regarding footy. He understands the game better than most on this board and his opinion should never be discounted, or disregarded.

[BeachRed]

no, you're just wishy-washy and when things change you change your opinion. Cunny will score 3 goals and you'll be "ohh, I take it all back, Cunny is great!" You did it with Mo! ;) You licked Mo's balls after Mo proved you wrong. If you're going to twist and turn in the wind, it's good to see you always turn to my side of things (the smart, forward looking, non-reactionary perspective) ;) You just didn't realize in the offseason that what you call "procrastination" was a plan -- you just didn't see it.

Okay, I don't want to come on here and defend someone and get accused of... well, anything, but players and management are apples and oranges.

there are a lot of guys on this board who know an awful lot about the game on the 'pitch' (that's what we call the field, right?) and I appreciate reading their stuff, I'm learning a lot. It's also good when they get into arguments and defend what they say because that brings out more details than just, "he sucks."

The problem is, when it comes to managment - especially an expansion team in a league with such bizarre (and changeable) rules about player movements and a salary cap and "international roster spots," no one really has any idea if management is doing anything at all until it's done. People get pissed off and frustrated waiting for news.

So, it turns out Mo was doing a good job. He didn't get taken advantage of and fleeced like a lot of rookie GMs, he didn't make stupid mistakes with cap room and roster spots so when guys who could make a difference became available he jumped. He probably waited a few guys out who didn't want to move to an expansion team in MLS - and not even in America. We have no idea how many players he went after only to have their agents laugh him off the phone or demand a huge premium for their players to come here. He didn't end up with a team full of over-priced has-beens. And he dealt with MLSE and brought in a good coach and he lets him coach.

But we can only see that in hindsight. We can see players not performing, standing around with their hands on their hips not going full out. There's a big difference.

[bhoybobby]

no, you're just wishy-washy and when things change you change your opinion. Cunny will score 3 goals and you'll be "ohh, I take it all back, Cunny is great!" You did it with Mo! ;) You licked Mo's balls after Mo proved you wrong. If you're going to twist and turn in the wind, it's good to see you always turn to my side of things (the smart, forward looking, non-reactionary perspective) ;) You just didn't realize in the offseason that what you call "procrastination" was a plan -- you just didn't see it.

Rocker my boy, you are a piece of work.

Mo did the right thing this year, surrounded himself with good people, should've been done from the start, Let's face it the franchise was launched in a haphazard fashion.

With a bit of extra effort on mlse's part, we should've had more people (structure in place) from the get go.

I read a lot of comments on these pages, some I know are in jest, others ar4e ill informed.

I never twist & turn, I support & encourage good football & mgmt when that happens I give credit, when it doesn't I call them out.

I'm not going to engage in who said what revisionism with you.

AS for Cunny, he's shite, Carver & Mo know it, anyone who watches him during a game knows it. That's been my opinion on Cunny from the get go.

As for turning to your side of things, I don't think so, You have criticized & lectured folk on these boards on what their socio economic priorities should be. You're also one of the few I seen piss off BBTB.

As for Mo, the further he get's away from the field & listens to fpptball people the better we'll do.I think Carver's forgot more about coaching & man mgmt than Mo will ever know.:D

[Roogsy]

Back on topic.

Anyone wanna bet Cunny is gone by the transfer window?

What's the line on McBride winding up in TFC, period? Why would Chicago want to upset what clearly is working right now?

So many questions!!! ARGH!!! :taz:

[Keystone FC]

Back on topic.

Anyone wanna bet Cunny is gone by the transfer window?

What's the line on McBride winding up in TFC, period? Why would Chicago want to upset what clearly is working right now?

So many questions!!! ARGH!!!

If I were the Fire I would want McBride just for the experience this guy can bring to the squad. He was a playmaker and goal scorer for the Crew before he left for the EPL. Plus, I would think he could add to the Fire arsenal come playoff time and it gives the Fire ANOTHER go to guy other than Rolfe and Blanco.

[ensco]

"When the facts change, I change my mind -- what do you do, sir?" - John Maynard Keynes

[BeachRed]

"When the facts change, I change my mind -- what do you do, sir?" - John Maynard Keynes

There's still a question if the facts changed, or if we just got more of them, but who cares, it's working now.

[Steve]

"When the facts change, I change my mind -- what do you do, sir?" - John Maynard Keynes

And, thank you. That was pretty much exactly what I was going to say (in fact, it was the very quote I was thinking about). Without getting into the specifics of this situation, the above quote perfectly encapsolates my position on one of rocker's statements. Sticking to an opinion, right or wrong, is not enviable unto itself, that's a lesson I think our society needs to learn.