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Ron Manager
06-20-2009, 10:06 AM
Canada Announces Gold Cup Squad
June 20, 2009 @ 10:58:54
Canada's 2009 Gold Cup roster was recently announced via CONCACAF.com (http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2009/rosterDetail.aspx?id=16).

Lars Hirschfeld GK 10/17/1978 Cluj (ROM)
Greg Sutton GK 4/19/1977 Toronto FC
Kiriakos Stamatopoulos GK 8/26/1976 Lyn FC (NOR)
Asmir Begovic GK 6/20/1987 Portsmouth (ENG)
Adrian Cann DF 9/19/1980 FC Esbjerg (DEN)
Atiba Hutchinson DF/MD 2/8/1983 FC Copenhagen (DEN)
Dwayne De Rosario MD/AT 5/15/1978 Toronto FC
Richard Hastings DF 5/18/1977 Inverness CT (SCO)
Andre Hainault DF 6/16/1986 Houston Dynamo (USA)
Josh Simpson MD 5/15/1983 FC Kaiserslautern (GER)
Patrice Bernier MD 9/23/1979 FC Nordsjaelland (DEN)
Kevin McKenna DF 1/21/1980 FC Cologne (GER)
Mike Klukowski DF/MD 5/27/1981 FC Brugge (BEL)
Nik Ledgerwood DF/MD 1/16/1985 1860 Munich (GER)
Daniel Imhof MD 11/22/1977 Bochum (GER)
Adrian Serioux DF 5/12/1979 Toronto FC
Marcel De Jong DF/MD 10/15/1986 Roda JC (NED)
Issey Nakajima-Farran MD 5/16/1984 FC Nordsjaelland (DEN)
Ali Gerba AT 7/27/1982 MK Dons (recently signed with Toronto FC) (ENG)
Dejan Jakovic DF 7/16/1985 DC United (USA)
Kevin Harmse DF/MD 7/4/1984 Toronto FC
Simeon Jackson AT 3/28/1987 Gillingham (ENG)
Chris Pozniak DF/MF 1/10/1981 Dundee (SCO)
Jaime Peters DF/MD 5/4/1987 Ipswich Town (ENG)
Nana Attakora-Gyan DF 3/27/1989 Toronto FC
Ante Jazic DF/MD 2/27/1976 Chivas USA (USA)
Julian De Guzman MD 3/25/1981 Deportivo La Coruna (ESP)
Paul Stalteri DF/MD 10/18/1977 Borussia Monchengladbach (GER)
Olivier Occean AT 10/23/1981 Lillestrom (NOR)
Will Johnson AT 1/11/1983 Real Salt Lake (USA)


Could be a tough time.

London
06-20-2009, 10:08 AM
add marvel wynne to that list

poppamidnight
06-20-2009, 10:09 AM
Canada Announces Gold Cup Squad
June 20, 2009 @ 10:58:54
Canada's 2009 Gold Cup roster was recently announced via CONCACAF.com (http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2009/rosterDetail.aspx?id=16).

Lars Hirschfeld GK 10/17/1978 Cluj (ROM)
Greg Sutton GK 4/19/1977 Toronto FC
Kiriakos Stamatopoulos GK 8/26/1976 Lyn FC (NOR)
Asmir Begovic GK 6/20/1987 Portsmouth (ENG)
Adrian Cann DF 9/19/1980 FC Esbjerg (DEN)
Atiba Hutchinson DF/MD 2/8/1983 FC Copenhagen (DEN)
Dwayne De Rosario MD/AT 5/15/1978 Toronto FC
Richard Hastings DF 5/18/1977 Inverness CT (SCO)
Andre Hainault DF 6/16/1986 Houston Dynamo (USA)
Josh Simpson MD 5/15/1983 FC Kaiserslautern (GER)
Patrice Bernier MD 9/23/1979 FC Nordsjaelland (DEN)
Kevin McKenna DF 1/21/1980 FC Cologne (GER)
Mike Klukowski DF/MD 5/27/1981 FC Brugge (BEL)
Nik Ledgerwood DF/MD 1/16/1985 1860 Munich (GER)
Daniel Imhof MD 11/22/1977 Bochum (GER)
Adrian Serioux DF 5/12/1979 Toronto FC
Marcel De Jong DF/MD 10/15/1986 Roda JC (NED)
Issey Nakajima-Farran MD 5/16/1984 FC Nordsjaelland (DEN)
Ali Gerba AT 7/27/1982 MK Dons (recently signed with Toronto FC) (ENG)
Dejan Jakovic DF 7/16/1985 DC United (USA)
Kevin Harmse DF/MD 7/4/1984 Toronto FC
Simeon Jackson AT 3/28/1987 Gillingham (ENG)
Chris Pozniak DF/MF 1/10/1981 Dundee (SCO)
Jaime Peters DF/MD 5/4/1987 Ipswich Town (ENG)
Nana Attakora-Gyan DF 3/27/1989 Toronto FC
Ante Jazic DF/MD 2/27/1976 Chivas USA (USA)
Julian De Guzman MD 3/25/1981 Deportivo La Coruna (ESP)
Paul Stalteri DF/MD 10/18/1977 Borussia Monchengladbach (GER)
Olivier Occean AT 10/23/1981 Lillestrom (NOR)
Will Johnson AT 1/11/1983 Real Salt Lake (USA)


Could be a tough time.

Nana??? They Took Nana???

If they make him ride the pine I'll be downright pissed.... In fact, I have a strong belief they will make him ride the pine and get the 'experience'

...When in fact "experience" would be better suited to MLS on-field production (in our starting 11)

Marc"2L"
06-20-2009, 10:10 AM
Emergency hardship please.

Azerban
06-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Didn't DeRo say he was out and concentrating on TFC?

Broadview
06-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Nana being named surprised me as well. Good for him but geez.

No Jimmy B though....if it were one or the other to ride pine, send Nana.

mighty_torontofc_2008
06-20-2009, 10:13 AM
lets hope Canada does a quick 3 and out so the club will not suffer too much..why cant they play thois gold cup in January or February? it would be more easier for MLS teams

Sab0tage
06-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Didn't DeRo say he was out and concentrating on TFC? That's what I thought, too.

Nazzer
06-20-2009, 10:14 AM
THis is only the preliminary roster. On the site it says that at minimum 24 hours before the first game the roster will have to be reduced to 23 players.

spezz44
06-20-2009, 10:14 AM
Marvell was named to the US team, no big surprise their.

rocker
06-20-2009, 10:15 AM
The Gold Cup Group stage (July 3-July 10) would be over before our first July game (July 11).... of course, if Canada does well and advances out of the group then they would miss games. and its pretty tight there..

Serioux is so beat up. I hope he declines.

werewolf
06-20-2009, 10:18 AM
If we go out in the group stage, the players would miss 1 game. If we make the quarter-finals, 2 games. If we make the final, all 3 games in July.

Pinkie
06-20-2009, 10:19 AM
IF canada makes it to the final(which I hope they don't) we won't have these guys for our first home game vs. Puerto Rico-
The final is on July 26th and as such I sincerely doubt they will be able to play two days later..
this is shitty:(

rocker
06-20-2009, 10:21 AM
we'll give em Harmse as a consolation prize and keep the rest ;)

poppamidnight
06-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Nana being named surprised me as well. Good for him but geez.

No Jimmy B though....if it were one or the other to ride pine, send Nana.


That's the problem I have with this,
Some players are not in season with their clubs,
we are...

Hence, the actuall need for the player to be somewhere else,

I would only give them Nana if they assured Toronto FC that they will have him in the starting 11,

Ride the bench there really doesn't do much for Canada, NOR does it help TFC's cause

If they want a spectator to get 'experience' send Gabe Gala

rocker
06-20-2009, 10:42 AM
hmm. by my calculation no team loses more than 1 player according to that roster -- except TFC which has 5 called up. No way will those 5 be leaving. That's too much for one team in season. Houston loses Hainault, RSL loses Will Johnson, and DC loses Dejan Jakovic.. but one guy per team is not a hardship.

ensco
06-20-2009, 10:42 AM
Maybe we should have a look at this guy Kiriakos for TFC.....

prizby
06-20-2009, 10:56 AM
hmm. by my calculation no team loses more than 1 player according to that roster -- except TFC which has 5 called up. No way will those 5 be leaving. That's too much for one team in season. Houston loses Hainault, RSL loses Will Johnson, and DC loses Dejan Jakovic.. but one guy per team is not a hardship.

still haven't counted Guevara (CHECK THAT...GUEVARA WAS NOT CALLED UP WTF!!!) or Wynne for us...other teams will lose Americans (and others)...



...this is a preliminary squad (see 4 goalies called up)...they can only carry 23 or maybe 22 players, so i expect nana and possibly harmse to get cut...im surprised about jimmy though...but more importantly NO ROB FRIEND OR DAVID EDGAR (STILL)

they got will johnson's age wrong...he was born in 87

BeninatoTFC
06-20-2009, 10:58 AM
IF canada makes it to the final(which I hope they don't.)

Club pride over National pride? Get real, that's an embarrassing statement.

Broadview
06-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Club pride over National pride? Get real, that's an embarrassing statement.

Not all TFC fans are Canadian.

Kaz
06-20-2009, 11:20 AM
Good for Nana if he gets a starting spot, then he should take it, he's done very well for himself

boban
06-20-2009, 11:27 AM
im surprised about jimmy though..
Why??
He told them a year or so ago to go fuck themselves.

rocker
06-20-2009, 11:33 AM
I hope the US can choose Heyduk for the Gold Cup and leave Wynne behind. Wynne's played what, only 1 of 4 games now with the US since he's been gone.
And if he stays with the US and they go far in the Gold Cup, he'll have been gone for almost 2 months. That's unacceptable for a guy who's just going to sit on the bench.

MFBODD
06-20-2009, 11:57 AM
Not all TFC fans are Canadian.
True, but showing respect for the country your club plays in can go a long way.

With the CSA constantly screwing up we need to show well in torunaments like these in order for support of the spot to grow. I just hate the fact that MLS clubs have to deal with playing league games with depleted squads. I wish they could halt play and work around it.

I totally understand why many will not support national play because of the risk it creates for club football

Cas87
06-20-2009, 12:00 PM
One question, why are they taking our guys yet Paul Onstad from Houston isn't selected?

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:03 PM
Nana??? They Took Nana???

If they make him ride the pine I'll be downright pissed.... In fact, I have a strong belief they will make him ride the pine and get the 'experience'

...When in fact "experience" would be better suited to MLS on-field production (in our starting 11)


Canada can cap tie Nana in this tournament, I believe he has african ties. Not that he would betray Canada or anything its just good to get him locked down. With new FIFA rules you need to cap all players you can. Also being around defenders such as Stalteri, Klukowski, De Jong, Ledgerwood, McKenna, Jakovic, Hainault will be good for him that is a ton of competition.

Before people start crying about no Rob Friend or David Edgar.... Friend is injured and Edgar is out of contract and going to sign for either Birmingham City or Burnley. Apparently Birmingham though.

This is an excellent squad called and we should be proud of any TFC player called for this team. This team just gets better and better, already since WCQ we've seen the emergence of new potential MNT regulars such as Simeon Jackson, Will Johnson, Dejan Jakovic, Nana Attakora, Nik Ledgerwood, Asmir Begovic. A lot of those guys should have maybe been on the MNT for WCQ but such is life with Dale Mitchell.....

TFC probably isn't going to lose Serioux or De Rosario. Serioux has a lot of competition to start for Canada and they are all younger anyways so why would he risk coming?

De Rosario can be replaced by Josh Simpson or Will Johnson pretty easily.

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:07 PM
IF canada makes it to the final(which I hope they don't) we won't have these guys for our first home game vs. Puerto Rico-
The final is on July 26th and as such I sincerely doubt they will be able to play two days later..
this is shitty:(

Wow.... go support Columbus or something.

TFC07
06-20-2009, 12:09 PM
One question, why are they taking our guys yet Paul Onstad from Houston isn't selected?

because Canada has better goalkeepers available?

elvis
06-20-2009, 12:10 PM
True, but showing respect for the country your club plays in can go a long way.

With the CSA constantly screwing up we need to show well in torunaments like these in order for support of the spot to grow. I just hate the fact that MLS clubs have to deal with playing league games with depleted squads. I wish they could halt play and work around it.

I totally understand why many will not support national play because of the risk it creates for club football

I enjoy Liverpool but fuck England as far as I'm concerned.

Lucky Strike
06-20-2009, 12:11 PM
Canada can cap tie Nana in this tournament, I believe he has african ties. Not that he would betray Canada or anything its just good to get him locked down. With new FIFA rules you need to cap all players you can. Also being around defenders such as Stalteri, Klukowski, De Jong, Ledgerwood, McKenna, Jakovic, Hainault will be good for him that is a ton of competition.

Before people start crying about no Rob Friend or David Edgar.... Friend is injured and Edgar is out of contract and going to sign for either Birmingham City or Burnley. Apparently Birmingham though.

This is an excellent squad called and we should be proud of any TFC player called for this team. This team just gets better and better, already since WCQ we've seen the emergence of new potential MNT regulars such as Simeon Jackson, Will Johnson, Dejan Jakovic, Nana Attakora, Nik Ledgerwood, Asmir Begovic. A lot of those guys should have maybe been on the MNT for WCQ but such is life with Dale Mitchell.....

TFC probably isn't going to lose Serioux or De Rosario. Serioux has a lot of competition to start for Canada and they are all younger anyways so why would he risk coming?

De Rosario can be replaced by Josh Simpson or Will Johnson pretty easily.

How does this affect whether or not he would be called up to the national squad? Is it something like: well, he's busy trying to get a new contract so we'll let him do it, because it's good for Canadian football (i.e. a player not playing can't improve) or something like that?

elvis
06-20-2009, 12:11 PM
lets hope Canada does a quick 3 and out so the club will not suffer too much..why cant they play thois gold cup in January or February? it would be more easier for MLS teams

Yet another reason for the calendar to follow the world schedule.

TFC07
06-20-2009, 12:12 PM
How does this affect whether or not he would be called up to the national squad? Is it something like: well, he's busy trying to get a new contract so we'll let him do it, because it's good for Canadian football (i.e. a player not playing can't improve) or something like that?

I think Edgar turn down the offer to play for Canada because risk of getting hurt during Gold cup that can hurt his value in market.

Lucky Strike
06-20-2009, 12:16 PM
I think Edgar turn down the offer to play for Canada because risk of getting hurt during Gold cup that can his value in market.

Ah yes. That makes perfect sense. Wonder why I didn't think of that?

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:22 PM
How does this affect whether or not he would be called up to the national squad? Is it something like: well, he's busy trying to get a new contract so we'll let him do it, because it's good for Canadian football (i.e. a player not playing can't improve) or something like that?

Because he doesn't want to risk injury and screw up his signing? Remember he is OUT of contract its not as if this is a transfer.

Canary Canuck
06-20-2009, 12:24 PM
29 players?? Obviously some people are going to be scratched from that list.

Pachuco
06-20-2009, 12:27 PM
You can count on Guevara being out too. We are in trouble

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:30 PM
29 players?? Obviously some people are going to be scratched from that list.

It needs to be cut down to 23

6 cut, Begovic (expecting first child), De Rosario, Serioux (both stay with TFC), Cann, Pozniak, Sutton.

Are the 6 I would say. 3 because they can't make it and just the other 3 because they are the weak links. I thought Harmse played a good game versus Mexico which is why I'd select him over Pozniak.

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:31 PM
You can count on Guevara being out too. We are in trouble

Guevara wasn't called by Honduras, Donovan wasn't called by the states... all teams still in WCQ are calling weaker squads pretty much to give experience to B players.

Dozitwin
06-20-2009, 12:32 PM
Maybe we should have a look at this guy Kiriakos for TFC.....

ha ha....funny

prizby
06-20-2009, 12:49 PM
It needs to be cut down to 23

6 cut, Begovic (expecting first child), De Rosario, Serioux (both stay with TFC), Cann, Pozniak, Sutton.

Are the 6 I would say. 3 because they can't make it and just the other 3 because they are the weak links. I thought Harmse played a good game versus Mexico which is why I'd select him over Pozniak.

they have to carry 3 keepers...so you can't cut 2 of them

Keegan
06-20-2009, 12:58 PM
they have to carry 3 keepers...so you can't cut 2 of them

No they don't. Last tournament Canada had Sutton, Wagenaar and Giacomi. But Sutton and Wagenaar both left the team with injuries and it was then Onstad and Giacomi.

craigtfc
06-20-2009, 12:59 PM
They can perminatly keep Kevin Harmse.....please!

OneLoveOneEric
06-20-2009, 01:00 PM
DeRo should retire.
Pretty please!!

werewolf
06-20-2009, 01:07 PM
No they don't. Last tournament Canada had Sutton, Wagenaar and Giacomi. But Sutton and Wagenaar both left the team with injuries and it was then Onstad and Giacomi.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2007/05/25/gold-cup-roster.html

3 GKs were named to the initial roster last time, as usual.

Marc"2L"
06-20-2009, 01:19 PM
Ok so,

Dero
Nana
Harsme
Gerba
Serioux
Wynne
Lobbo
Velez?

is that it?


-----------------------------Frei--------------------------
Wild card* --- Gambian kid(s*)---- Garcia -------- Jimmy
--------------Cronin ------------- Robbo----------------
Fuad-----------------------Vitti------------------Barrett
---------------------- Dichio ----------------------

If any one of those players are hurt or suspended we might be in trouble.
OBW-an's readiness could help. But our back line is the problem.

Krasno.pL.
06-20-2009, 01:30 PM
nahh Edgar had a good chat with Hart, and told him to shove it.

Keegan
06-20-2009, 01:40 PM
Ok so,

Dero
Nana
Harsme
Gerba
Serioux
Wynne
Lobbo
Velez?

is that it?




Velez is Puerto Rican so he will still be with TFC as I don't think they've ever qualified for a Gold Cup. Guevara wasn't called. Serioux and DeRo are most likely going to stay with TFC.

And Gerba isn't eligible anyways. So TFC will just lose Harmse (possibly if he isn't cut from the final roster), Wynne and Nana (if he isn't cut)

brad
06-20-2009, 01:47 PM
Because he doesn't want to risk injury and screw up his signing? Remember he is OUT of contract its not as if this is a transfer.

JDG talked about this same thing on the Score last weekend. They talked about not being available for pre-season due to the Gold Cup being another factor.

SilverSamurai
06-20-2009, 01:48 PM
Yet another reason for the calendar to follow the world schedule.
Which means pretty much only the southern US and Mexico could host.
Not to mention its too friggin cold to have the MLS season follow the rest of the calendar.

I think Edgar turn down the offer to play for Canada because risk of getting hurt during Gold cup that can hurt his value in market.
I think he also had a kid. I remember reading that on the V forums, but I might be confusing him with someone else.

Good squad overall. I hope they go far. :canada:

jabbronies
06-20-2009, 01:54 PM
what about Amado...Hondourus is in this competition as well

tfcmanu
06-20-2009, 02:10 PM
Maybe we should have a look at this guy Kiriakos for TFC.....

I believe Kiriakos played for TFC last year or our first year when we were desperate for goalies.

TFC RealDeal RPB
06-20-2009, 02:24 PM
Nana??? They Took Nana???

If they make him ride the pine I'll be downright pissed.... In fact, I have a strong belief they will make him ride the pine and get the 'experience'

...When in fact "experience" would be better suited to MLS on-field production (in our starting 11)


+ 1 You know it's going to happen b/c look what Wynne doing for the U S sittting on the pine, it's just bullshit. Wynne must have be pissed knowing he's club just played a great game to WIN there frist TITLE !

Kaz
06-20-2009, 02:26 PM
what about Amado...Hondourus is in this competition as well

lol
seriously did you just post that?

Yohan
06-20-2009, 02:33 PM
De Rosario can be replaced by Josh Simpson or Will Johnson pretty easily.
nuts

Keegan
06-20-2009, 03:31 PM
Which means pretty much only the southern US and Mexico could host.
Not to mention its too friggin cold to have the MLS season follow the rest of the calendar.

I think he also had a kid. I remember reading that on the V forums, but I might be confusing him with someone else.

Good squad overall. I hope they go far. :canada:

Uhhh? This is CONCACAF. Anyone except Canada could host the tournament in February. Jamaica, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, T and T.....

Yohan
06-20-2009, 03:36 PM
Uhhh? This is CONCACAF. Anyone except Canada could host the tournament in February. Jamaica, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, T and T.....
hosting a tourney is not like grabbing couple of kegs and bags of chips and go to a field and start playing

many of central american countries lack infrastructure to host a tourney

and money

prizby
06-20-2009, 03:58 PM
No they don't. Last tournament Canada had Sutton, Wagenaar and Giacomi. But Sutton and Wagenaar both left the team with injuries and it was then Onstad and Giacomi.

of the 23 players selected 3 have to be goalies...sutton was one of those last time

mighty_torontofc_2008
06-20-2009, 04:27 PM
how many games does TFC have during this tournament? if by chance canada makes the semi or final? lets hope our guys stay with TFC andthe CSA could give the previous u-20 guys a look at.....sorry TFC first..:scarf:

jabbronies
06-20-2009, 04:31 PM
I believe Kiriakos played for TFC last year or our first year when we were desperate for goalies.


opps...I forgot people call him Lobbo.

MFBODD
06-20-2009, 05:40 PM
I enjoy Liverpool but fuck England as far as I'm concerned.

Yup, I know many others just like you who live in England and again, I can totally see why. The schedule for the top players over there is nuts and if a player is fatigued or injured due to national play, well that has a major impact on the club.

Anyway, it just sucks for us because it seems like many times during a season we won't and don't have key players out there. Look at who scored for us against Montreal and think what it would have been like if two of them were removed.

Pookie
06-20-2009, 06:09 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Canada's first 3 games are July 3, July 7 and July 10.

TFC play June 27 (RSL) and then are off until July 11 (@ San Jose).

Assuming Canada goes all the way, July 18, 19, 23 and 26th represent the playoffs and only July 18th is a direct conflict with our schedule.

Of course, the guys might be tired playing July 10th and then coming back to play on 11th. Or playing on the 26th and coming back to play on the 28th.

But really, there is only one direct conflict to worry about.

pubboy
06-20-2009, 06:44 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Canada's first 3 games are July 3, July 7 and July 10.

TFC play June 27 (RSL) and then are off until July 11 (@ San Jose).

Assuming Canada goes all the way, July 18, 19, 23 and 26th represent the playoffs and only July 18th is a direct conflict with our schedule.

Of course, the guys might be tired playing July 10th and then coming back to play on 11th. Or playing on the 26th and coming back to play on the 28th.

But really, there is only one direct conflict to worry about.


lol - really ? Well, thats ok then. :nonod::crazy:

Red CB Toronto
06-20-2009, 07:16 PM
If Canada gets out of the group stage and makes the playoffs I would not think that the boys would return to the club between games, that would not happen, also would they not leave couple days before the first game for training, maybe even up to a week before.

SilverSamurai
06-20-2009, 07:44 PM
If Canada gets out of the group stage and makes the playoffs I would not think that the boys would return to the club between games, that would not happen, also would they not leave couple days before the first game for training, maybe even up to a week before.

I don't see how they won't make it out of the group stage.
Have the groups been announced as well?

Besides, why is everyone freaking out. DeRo is staying behind anyways, as is Brennan.
Nana needs to get capped so good for him. One of the goals of TFC was to develop Canadian talent so it's good to see someone developed by TFC rep. TFC in international competition.

And the Central American countries can't hold a tourney. At best they could do a joint tourney. Same applies to the Caribbean nations.

Keegan
06-20-2009, 08:33 PM
I don't see how they won't make it out of the group stage.
Have the groups been announced as well?

Besides, why is everyone freaking out. DeRo is staying behind anyways, as is Brennan.
Nana needs to get capped so good for him. One of the goals of TFC was to develop Canadian talent so it's good to see someone developed by TFC rep. TFC in international competition.

And the Central American countries can't hold a tourney. At best they could do a joint tourney. Same applies to the Caribbean nations.

Canada is in the group of death as usual. El Salvador, Costa Rica and Jamaica. yaaaaaay :rolleyes:

Whatever we finished better than all of those teams in 2007 and we've won the cup. :canada: :canada:

Come on CANADA!!!!

Keegan
06-20-2009, 08:38 PM
hosting a tourney is not like grabbing couple of kegs and bags of chips and go to a field and start playing

many of central american countries lack infrastructure to host a tourney

and money

We are talking the Gold Cup here not EURO. So basically it is like grabbing a couple kegs and chips haha

But seriously these may be poor countries but they all have passion for the game and money in the game a lot of these teams are richer than the CSA. So yes they could host a tournament. A split Jamaica/T and T hosted tournament would be awesome. As would Costa Rica, beautiful country

werewolf
06-20-2009, 08:43 PM
if Canada can't put it together to host a dozen team tournament, how can Costa Rica? It hasn't been outside the USA/Mexico in 25 years, when the tournament was half its size.

poppamidnight
06-20-2009, 08:46 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Canada's first 3 games are July 3, July 7 and July 10.

TFC play June 27 (RSL) and then are off until July 11 (@ San Jose).

Assuming Canada goes all the way, July 18, 19, 23 and 26th represent the playoffs and only July 18th is a direct conflict with our schedule.

Of course, the guys might be tired playing July 10th and then coming back to play on 11th. Or playing on the 26th and coming back to play on the 28th.

But really, there is only one direct conflict to worry about.

Question: is the roster one where it has to be set for the entirety of the tourney?
Or can Canada swap in bodies as the tourney goes?

...We could be better served to send the bodies early, and withdraw a couple for our July 11 game,

I know a longshot according to most standard tournament rules, but it's an interesting question

MUFC_Niagara
06-20-2009, 08:50 PM
Wow.... go support Columbus or something.

Sorry mate, club over country for me anytime! I hope Canada get spanked and we get our players back!

SilverSamurai
06-20-2009, 08:52 PM
Canada is in the group of death as usual. El Salvador, Costa Rica and Jamaica. yaaaaaay :rolleyes:

Whatever we finished better than all of those teams in 2007 and we've won the cup. :canada: :canada:

Come on CANADA!!!!
I wouldn't call it the group of death... Canada should be able to beat all 3 teams, especially since El Salvador and Costa Rica are still in WCQ and wouldn't want to kill any of their starters.
With the game being in neutral ground though, it should be a win.
But if the game is in Texas or California it'll be like a home game for the Central Americans.


if Canada can't put it together to host a dozen team tournament, how can Costa Rica? It hasn't been outside the USA/Mexico in 25 years, when the tournament was half its size.
+1.
We can't even host it and we have 3 legitimate places to hold games. IMO the problem w/ the Gold Cup is that it's all over the place (both in the US and Mexico, although Mexico isn't as bad as far as distances go)

Keegan
06-20-2009, 09:56 PM
Sorry mate, club over country for me anytime! I hope Canada get spanked and we get our players back!

Pathetic tbh betraying your own people mate! horrible

Keegan
06-20-2009, 10:03 PM
if Canada can't put it together to host a dozen team tournament, how can Costa Rica? It hasn't been outside the USA/Mexico in 25 years, when the tournament was half its size.

Canada can't put it together to host a dozen team tournament? Correct me if im wrong but did we not just host the most successful U20 world cup of all time?

And Costa Rica has a professional league as do all other central american countries, they could host it believe me.

werewolf
06-20-2009, 10:12 PM
oops, I should have said, can't host this dozen team tournament. There is no reason that the USA has hosted 10 consecutive tournaments, twice co-hosted with Mexico, Canada hasn't seen a match.

Costa Rica has a league sure, so does Belize. The 13 stadiums that the US is using this time around might be a bit excessive. But Costa Rica has only 4 stadiums over 10,000 capacity. 2 of which are decrepit, and would need renovations, even then they are small.

Hosting 12 teams in 2 stadiums...not plausible nor feasible.

MUFC_Niagara
06-20-2009, 10:17 PM
Pathetic tbh betraying your own people mate! horrible

Not at all, as I said, in the club over country debate its TFC for me all day long. It's Mickey (Mouse) League Soccer that puts us in this position. I am SSH holder and want TFC to make the playoffs. It's a pivotal point in the season and we need the points.

James17930
06-20-2009, 11:15 PM
4 keepers? is that normal?

Blizzard
06-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Guevara wasn't called by Honduras, Donovan wasn't called by the states... all teams still in WCQ are calling weaker squads pretty much to give experience to B players.

It is my understanding that Amado chose not to play in the Gold Cup. In otherwords, he turned down the invitation just as DeRo did.

Blizzard
06-20-2009, 11:30 PM
4 keepers? is that normal?

It's the preliminary roster. It will be chopped by seven closer to the start of the tournament.

Pachuco
06-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Pathetic tbh betraying your own people mate! horrible

Well I could say you are betraying TFC right? after all, this is a TFC forum. I'll want Canada to win, but I don't want it to interfere with TFC. Club before country for me too.

Mojo
06-21-2009, 02:57 AM
lets hope Canada does a quick 3 and out so the club will not suffer too much..why cant they play thois gold cup in January or February? it would be more easier for MLS teams

Cause then it'd be harder for every other league in the world.

BigLou
06-21-2009, 08:15 AM
The thing I think we have to remember is that until the time MLS switches to a full winter schedule ( I understand why this is almost impossible) there is always gonna be conflicts with International games cause they are played primarily through the summer. If MLS wants to have world beating players play every week they are gonna have to change the sked. IMO it's as simple as this.

mighty_torontofc_2008
06-21-2009, 08:54 AM
Sorry mate, club over country for me anytime! I hope Canada get spanked and we get our players back!


i hope for the same thing, and that our players dont put up any nagging injuries....I hope our players consider staying with TFC and not join
Canada, the CSA cant make them go..our objective now is to make the playoffs...

bhoybobby
06-21-2009, 08:56 AM
Mo knew what our exposure was to international call ups

SilverSamurai
06-21-2009, 12:22 PM
The thing I think we have to remember is that until the time MLS switches to a full winter schedule ( I understand why this is almost impossible) there is always gonna be conflicts with International games cause they are played primarily through the summer. If MLS wants to have world beating players play every week they are gonna have to change the sked. IMO it's as simple as this.
It's 1 thing to play over the odd FIFA date, but the league should just double up on games the 3-4times a season and then have a break for about 2weeks or so. Or at the very minimum, during the group stage of the Gold Cup. Same would apply during the WC.

Another problem is that most teams aren't the major tenants in their stadiums so they don't have 1st choice at scheduling.

rocker
06-21-2009, 12:26 PM
It's 1 thing to play over the odd FIFA date, but the league should just double up on games the 3-4times a season and then have a break for about 2weeks or so. Or at the very minimum, during the group stage of the Gold Cup. Same would apply during the WC.

Another problem is that most teams aren't the major tenants in their stadiums so they don't have 1st choice at scheduling.

what do you mean by "double up on games"?

Keegan
06-21-2009, 01:10 PM
i hope for the same thing, and that our players dont put up any nagging injuries....I hope our players consider staying with TFC and not join
Canada, the CSA cant make them go..our objective now is to make the playoffs...

It's every players dream to represent their country. We all love Toronto but players are ambitious. Do you think they'd rather be playing an MLS match for TFC or playing in a continental competition against the best the regions has to offer for their country? Not to mention with Canada they will have higher quality teammates, exposure (if they are looking to move overseas) and opposition

rocker
06-21-2009, 01:35 PM
Do you think they'd rather be playing an MLS match for TFC ... ?

Dero said Yes to your question.

Keegan
06-21-2009, 02:34 PM
Dero said Yes to your question.

Because DeRo is done, TFC is his last stop he's already won a Gold Cup and played in 4 of them. He knows it is time to step down from the NT and let younger guys play as he will probably be a depth player at best next time around.

You think Harmse or Nana are going to turn down calls to play in MLS? You are nutsssss guy

ExiledRed
06-21-2009, 02:41 PM
If they're calling up Harmse, I'm not too worried about them getting through the group stages.

rocker
06-21-2009, 03:30 PM
Because DeRo is done, TFC is his last stop he's already won a Gold Cup and played in 4 of them. He knows it is time to step down from the NT and let younger guys play as he will probably be a depth player at best next time around.

You think Harmse or Nana are going to turn down calls to play in MLS? You are nutsssss guy

When did I say Harmse or Nana are going to turn down calls to play for Canada?

You need reading comprehension lessons.

You said no player (exact pronoun: "they") would choose TFC over Canada, and I proved your statement wrong with evidence of one guy who contradicted your blanket statement: De Rosario.

Don't put words in my mouth.

If you didn't write in 100% absolutes all the time I wouldn't have to prove you wrong.

Limani_Ole
06-21-2009, 04:09 PM
MLS needs to resolve the schedule conflicts.. no player should be put in a position to choose.. its a lose-lose

that and management would then think twice about signing a top notch player out of fear they could loose them for 4-5 games in the year to international duty..

again a lose-lose..

Pookie
06-21-2009, 05:44 PM
MLS needs to resolve the schedule conflicts.. no player should be put in a position to choose.. its a lose-lose

that and management would then think twice about signing a top notch player out of fear they could loose them for 4-5 games in the year to international duty..

again a lose-lose..

May be a lose-lose but there is no fair way to resolve this other than play a winter schedule.

There are plenty of new MLS stadiums being built, none of them are domed. Hell, we are on the verge of real grass... throw a lid on BMO and that dream goes away. No thanks to a winter schedule.

I think they have done a decent job of handling potential conflicts this year.

We play June 27th and not again until July 11th. That's likely not an accident considering the challenges we had last year with international duties. There is only one direct conflict on July 18th and that's only a conflict if Canada does well. That's not bad.

If you play during the summer, you have to expect conflicts. Outside of shutting the league down for the month of July, how else could this be handled?

werewolf
06-22-2009, 02:58 PM
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=14794

Confirmed squad.