Confirmed: Ricketts released, Gerba in MLS limbo

[DaBandit]

DAMNIT! This threads turned me into a freaking junkie! "You call Marijuana a drug? You ever suck dick for news on Ali Gerba?!"

So Ima assume I didnt miss anything in that long, long, slow hour?


:rofl:

[Boris]

so wierd, i refresh i can see it, then again i cant, then again i see it!!!

that twice now with picture fail! fuck.....

:lol:

[Kaz]

counting this site I have 7 tabs open right now... I really have nothing better to do.

[Boris]

counting this site I have 7 tabs open right now... I really have nothing better to do.

i just gave work to other people.......

[billyfly]

NEW CHANT - OH, ...we are the mighty RPB (internet board) and we are the greatest the world has ever seen...

[Nuvinho]

More twitter, from Lee Godfrey


GOLTVLee (http://twitter.com/GOLTVLee)is watching South Africa and New Zealand at the Confederations Cup.......all the best Ricky!

more confirmation?

[BakaGaijin]

The thought crossed my mind too..
c'mon lets see a pic


You should change your avatar to "sukebe" LOL.

BTW - Nice avatar.

[Ageroo]

I have some confirmation to report.........!!!!!

Carter and TheIsland drove by the Impact Bus on their way to MTL.......Carter attempted to pull a Paul Tracy on the bus, but was unsuccessful.......but only text message confirmation......no link! :)

[Ladies Love Julius James]

Dougla kid look out for me tomorrow I'll be rocking a Yankee cap and non tfc gear LOL

[Cambridge_Red]

You should change your avatar to "sukebe" LOL.

BTW - Nice avatar.

haha maybe, but doesnt hurt window shopping now and again.
It's the design for the two stick we made.. It was at BMO last Saturday.

[Boudge]

I wanna see whitby girl to!

lol

[DaBandit]

my question is....are more people on this site refreshing...or on rohan ricketts page refreshing.....????

both, plus sportsnet & tsn... god i wasted so much time at work today..

[C.Ronaldo]

rohan on twitter says theres a deal struck


traded for someone with a low salary/allocation money?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

rohan on twitter says theres a deal struck


traded for someone with a low salary/allocation money?


link...:D

[Ageroo]

Dougla kid look out for me tomorrow I'll be rocking a Yankee cap and non tfc gear LOL

You won't miss me.....party in my room! Bring some hoes.....:) Kidding......

[Ladies Love Julius James]

Do deals work into overtime or is there a 5pm cut off. Btw Whitby Girl show a pic please

[BakaGaijin]

haha maybe, but doesnt hurt window shopping now and again.
It's the design for the two stick we made.. It was at BMO last Saturday.

Cool.

Unfortunately, being in the 219 I can never see NEE's banners and tifo's.

[arsenal]

rohan on twitter says theres a deal struck


traded for someone with a low salary/allocation money?

Deal might just mean he has agreed to some sort of contract buyout

[dupont]

I wanna see whitby girl to!

lol

http://www.fibernut.com/blog/OCT06/whitby1-thumb.jpg

[BC101]

Btw Whitby Girl show a pic please
co signed...

[Ageroo]

co signed...

This isn't the petition thread.........!

[Ladies Love Julius James]

hmmmmmmmmmm after 30 pints or so she could look like Ellen Degeneras. 40 and we're talking Eva Longoria

[Boudge]

Whitby girrrrrrrrrrrl where are you???

[TFC07]

You guys scared her away. lol

Anyway, looks like Ricketts is gone. Good-bye Ricketts.

[Waggy]

I've never seen an e-sausage fest come together like this before! We may be witnessing history here! And I'm qualified to say that: I was at U Waterloo, I've seen the LAN parties. Yeesh.

Also: how does Mo's wife stay with him? "MO! You forgot our anniversary again!" "Don't worry dear, I've got something special planned for tomorrow!"

[deltox]

ok this isnt a dating thread/site.


she supports TFC - she is one of us.

let her be

[denime]

You guys scared her away. lol

Anyway, looks like Ricketts is gone. Good-bye Ricketts.

How you know? Is it confirmed,link please. :D

[Waggy]

Also (no offense whitby girl), have any of you guys gone drinking in Whitby before? To quote the great Chappelle "THE MILKS GONE BAD!"

[Kaz]

Whitby girrrrrrrrrrrl where are you???
Talking about a restraining order with her lawyer most likely :P

[Boris]

13677 views on this thread....
nice...

[Nuvinho]

The tweets keep coming:


KristianJack (http://twitter.com/KristianJack)Rohan Ricketts has officially left Toronto FC.

[Corpand]

HOLY SHIT did we just trade Cunningham to Dallas????

[Oblio2]

We just signed...ANDY FUCKING WELSH

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

The tweets keep coming:

jeeebus...this is all old news....why isnt anyone breaking details! :)

[FluSH]

The tweets keep coming:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Who's going to replace Big Bruva if Ricketts is gone?!?!?

These are sad news...

[cy43]

HOLY SHIT did we just trade Cunningham to Dallas????

In the land of recycled jokes.

The garbage man is king.

[GabrielHurl]

From a FB chat at lunchtime



1:32pmGabriel
You been released man?

1:32pmRohan
No cannot be released my contract is guaranted

1:33pmGabriel
sounds like a trade then

1:33pmRohan
noooooo
I cant be traded its in my deal
I will reveal details on my website

1:34pmGabriel
k - i'll keep an eye out

1:34pmRohan
well done
they cut/released sutton because he had a semi guaranteed contract
I will still be here in my off the pitch stuff... I will live here ..it will be my 1st home

1:38pmGabriel
good to hear

1:40pmRohan
i love t dot

[mastermixer]

wow... this thread has been a waste of an afternoon.

[DaBandit]

How many of you will be driving home soon and following this thread on your mobile?? i know i will be, so stay out of my way on the 401 Westbound....

[GingerNinja]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (56 minutes ago)


A written or video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com..to clarify what has happened. Time to squash the rumours...(37 minutes ago)

[denime]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (56 minutes ago)


A written or video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com..to clarify what has happened. Time to squash the rumours...(37 minutes ago)
old news go back few pages :p

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

From a FB chat at lunchtime


must be buy out!

[Jack]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Who's going to replace Big Bruva if Ricketts is gone?!?!?

These are sad news...
LOL

:D

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

I’m going to miss Ricketts. I think he should have been given more a chance to recapture his form. He certainly looked lively against LA. I was kind of hoping he would get the start in Montreal.

[T-Bird]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (56 minutes ago)


A written or video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com..to clarify what has happened. Time to squash the rumours...(37 minutes ago)

I think he put that up around 2:00 this afternoon...otherwise my day is going REALLY slooooww

[Red CB Toronto]

Rohan is the man, he has the reason to be pissed, he left a career in the UK to play here and now quite a few people here is dissing him, he is the total package, good for the team, good for the community and good for the MLS, a good promoter for the league with a good heart.

[TFC07]

must be buy out!

If that's case, then does his contract still count against salary cap?

[jabbronies]

It'll be interesting to hear what actually happened. I hope he reveals everything - twitter gate, basher Mo....let it flow Ro

[Pachuco]

WTF? I left for a meeting, come back and I thought I was on lavalife as opposed to the rumoured thread that was so enjoyable :). Thanks for the Scarlett thing though, that was gooood!

[billyfly]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Record Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (2 minutes ago)


A video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com to clarify how Ladies Love Julius James and I have produced the guaranteed number 1 album of 2009!(1 minutes ago)

[Roogsy]

Rohan is the man, he has the reason to be pissed, he left a career in the UK to play here and now quite a few people here is dissing him, he is the total package, good for the team, good for the community and good for the MLS, a good promoter for the league with a good heart.


I wish other people saw that.

Dunno why people were so pissed with him. I personally think he got a raw deal this season.

[TFC07]

It'll be interesting to hear what actually happened. I hope he reveals everything - twitter gate, basher Mo....let it flow Ro

I hope he goes all out!

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

I’m going to miss Ricketts. I think he should have been given more a chance to recapture his form. He certainly looked lively against LA. I was kind of hoping he would get the start in Montreal.



im not....Carver gave him all the chances in the world.... Hes not good enough for england.. hes not good enough for MLS!....

Mabey he'll sign for the IMPACT!:D

[profit89]

This thread has friggen legs eh

[jabbronies]

Whitby Girl are you fit?


hahahahaha...awesome...:rofl:

[Jack]

This thread has friggen legs eh
Closing in on 14k view!

[profit89]

What about the shoe commercials now?

[Pachuco]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Record Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (2 minutes ago)


A video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com to clarify how Ladies Love Julius James and I have produced the guaranteed number 1 album of 2009!(1 minutes ago)

HAHAHA :D

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

I hope he goes all out!


are you kidding me...Big BRuva is writing the ROHAN RICKETTS story right now.........

It will be in stores very soon!

for a price that is!:drinking:

[Jack]

Closing in on 14k view!
Wow...make that 17k

[Pachuco]

This thread has friggen legs eh

Yes, but Ricketts doesn't :D

[H Bomb]

sorry...what's going on?

[Jack]

sorry...what's going on?
Something about player movement.

We're waiting for news to appear on the TFC website :D

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

ROHAN RICKETTS FACEBOOK

Record Deal has been agreed!!! stay tuned for more info (2 minutes ago)


A video blog will be released soon on rohanricketts.com to clarify how Ladies Love Julius James and I have produced the guaranteed number 1 album of 2009!(1 minutes ago)


ok now im getting EXCITED!! I KNEW IT WAS JDG DP!!

[TFC07]

What's the record for most viewed thread on here?

[The Kingpin]

sorry...what's going on?

http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A7063/70636/300_70636.jpg

[Boris]

http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/default.aspx

[Oblio2]

I wish other people saw that.

Dunno why people were so pissed with him. I personally think he got a raw deal this season.

Agreed.

[Pachuco]

Rohan Ricketts Leaves TFC
Kristian Jack is reporting Rohan Ricketts has accepted a buyout from Toronto FC. Ricketts appeared in 27 games for the Reds in 2008, registering 4 goals and 4 assists. But he struggled early in the 2009 season and fell out of favour at the club, playing just 316 minutes in 12 games (3 starts).
It is believed the departures of Ricketts and Johann Smith were needed to clear enough cap space to sign Canadian striker Ali Gerba.



http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/archive/2009/06/17/18764.aspx

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

im not....Carver gave him all the chances in the world.... Hes not good enough for england.. hes not good enough for MLS!....

Mabey he'll sign for the IMPACT!:D

I’ll concede he’s been inconsistent, but I feel he had done enough to earn another chance with the team.

I think the MLS was a bit of a poor fit for him in that I get the impression that he really doesn’t like playing in the warmer weather. Safe to assume they're team in England who will give him a shot.

[Oblio2]

So..buyout it is
If he's staying here...as per FB...is he quitting Football for good?>

[billyfly]

Kristian Jack is reporting Rohan Ricketts has accepted a buyout from Toronto FC. Ricketts appeared in 27 games for the Reds in 2008, registering 4 goals and 4 assists. But he struggled early in the 2009 season and fell out of favour at the club, playing just 316 minutes in 12 games (3 starts).
It is believed the departures of Ricketts and Johann Smith were needed to clear enough cap space to sign Canadian striker Ali Gerba.

[Pachuco]

Interesting, if we needed to clear that much for Ali Gerba, we can forget about a DP. How much could Ali be asking for?

[TFC07]

So..buyout it is
If he's staying here...as per FB...is he quitting Football for good?>

Maybe he'll play in CSL? LOL

[Oblio2]

Does anyone know if Kristian Jack is reporting anythiong?
*rolls eyes

[DaBandit]

http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/default.aspx

So does anyone know if a buy out still goes against the cap?

cheers,

[TFC07]

Interesting, if we needed to clear that much for Ali Gerba, we can forget about a DP. How much could Ali be asking for?

Or maybe we are getting couple more players?

[spezz44]

Interesting, if we needed to clear that much for Ali Gerba, we can forget about a DP. How much could Ali be asking for?


Not neccessarily, if Vitti is dropped free up around 300K and whoever the DP is wont count the full 400K against the cap because of where the season is, i believe, but could be way off.

[Oblio2]

Or maybe we are getting couple more players?


JD-Fucking-G

[Pachuco]

Or maybe we are getting couple more players?

The article says that we bought him out in order to make room for Ali. So I wouldn't bank my money on that.

[CretanBull]

I wish other people saw that.

Dunno why people were so pissed with him. I personally think he got a raw deal this season.

I think so too. After the way last season went, the pressure was on him to deliver this season, but he never really got the chance. In the last game that he got decent minutes in, he put in the cross (something we don't see much of from any of our players) that led to the Dichio (off-side!) goal.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

I’ll concede he’s been inconsistent, but I feel he had done enough to earn another chance with the team.

I think the MLS was a bit of a poor fit for him in that I get the impression that he really doesn’t like playing in the warmer weather. Safe to assume they're team in England who will give him a shot.


his head hasnt been into footy for awile now.....Im sure he'll pack it in an explore other ventures here in Toronto!

[Pachuco]

Not neccessarily, if Vitti is dropped that what almost 300K free and whoever the DP is ownt count the full 400K because of the point in the season i believe, but could be way off.

I would think that just like the DP's entire salary wouldn't count toward the cap then Vitti's 300K wouldn't all be gone from the cap either. But I'm just guessing.

So it could be 150K of Vitti still counts toward the cap and 250K of the DP would count toward the cap. Still leaves us with having to release another player worth 100K no?

[Yohan]

ah well. kinda sad to see Ricketts leave

only if he had his head on straight and more focused during game situations...

going to miss him nutmegging opposition

[CretanBull]

If we needed to release Ricketts & Smith to sign Gerba, then we've MASSIVELY over paid for Gerba.

[denime]

I'm waiting to hear what VPjr has to say about this news :D

[Oblio2]

If we needed to release Ricketts & Smith to sign Gerba, then we've MASSIVELY over paid for Gerba.

No shit

[Pachuco]

If we needed to release Ricketts & Smith to sign Gerba, then we've MASSIVELY over paid for Gerba.

Yeap, I'm really worried about that now. 3 year contract worth 250K?

[spezz44]

I would think that just like the DP's entire salary wouldn't count toward the cap then Vitti's 300K wouldn't all be gone from the cap either. But I'm just guessing.

So it could be 150K of Vitti still counts toward the cap and 250K of the DP would count toward the cap. Still leaves us with having to release another player worth 100K no?

your prob right, im really not sure just saying we do have another big player that can be dropped quite easily.

[rocker]

on the MLS site, it says if someone on a guaranteed contract is waived before July 1 the money doesn't count against the cap apparently. Not sure if this is the same situation.

[Azerban]

So..buyout it is
If he's staying here...as per FB...is he quitting Football for good?>

Apparently he'll be at the North York Astros for the rest of the CSL season.

http://www.canadiansoccerleague.ca/p...league_id=4346 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ)

[H Bomb]

Apparently he'll be at the North York Astros for the rest of the CSL season.

http://www.canadiansoccerleague.ca/p...league_id=4346 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ)


you're my favourite dude, my favourite

[billyfly]

THe fun has moved to http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=14574

[Oblio2]

Apparently he'll be at the North York Astros for the rest of the CSL season.

http://www.canadiansoccerleague.ca/p...league_id=4346

Well played Sir.....

ass

:D

[VPjr]

I wish other people saw that.

Dunno why people were so pissed with him. I personally think he got a raw deal this season.

Soccer isn't a fair sport.

Many outside observers are not overly surprised by this. RR is a fantastic guy by all accounts but the team pays him to be a footballer, not an ambassador for the team.

As a footballer, I would say that the team can do better and do it cheaper.

Rohan has some skills but he lacks an explosive first 10-15 yard burst and ultimately, if he can't beat his mark with some consistency, either to the inside or to the outside (which I don't believe he can do often enough), he doesn't help them team enough on the field.

Every soccer professional I've spoken to basically confirms my impressions of RR.

[Nuvinho]

$250K???


KristianJack (http://twitter.com/KristianJack)Expect Canadian Ali Gerba to sign a guaranteed contract with TFC sometime in the next 24hrs. Looks like a little more than 250K a yr.

[Pachuco]

$250K???

WOW - and we also heard it's probalby a 3 year contract. WTF is Mo doing?

EDIT: GuaranTEED contract that is. OUCH!

[billyfly]

That's too much I think.

[Nuvinho]

WOW - and we also heard it's probalby a 3 year contract. WTF is Mo doing?

I hope its not $250K, since we will probably lose him to the Gold Cup, this year. So we need more bench players. We have 2 roster spots to fill.

[flatpicker]

hmmm... if true, that does seem a little steep.
But, I don't a run soccer club, Mo does... I will just trust that he knows best.

[Marco2K]

Ricketts stinks. Its about time he gets shipped out.


He is to busy promoting his talk shows and talking about how he is a star to care about soccer.

CU LATER ROHAN. DONT let the door hit you on the way out.

Lets just hope Gerba works out.

IF NOT


C U LATER MO!!!

[VPjr]

I'm waiting to hear what VPjr has to say about this news :D

I'm not celebrating or anything like that....It's a logical result all things considered.

But I'm more and more impressed with my source because he told me that this parting of ways between RR and TFC was going to happen over 4 weeks ago.

[Broadview]

He could probably make at least that if he stayed in England.

If he gets goals, who cares?

There could be club options on picking up later parts of the contract that aren't guaranteed, so who knows.

[Jack]

That's a lot for Gerba, but let's see what happens. If he scores 8 goals in the second half, he'll be worth it IMO.

I still think we have a good collection of players on our team.

I hope they can get it together because in terms of talent we are solid.

Also, Ricketts and Smith were on the bench and taking up too much cap space to be 5 minute per game players.

Whether anyone feels they should have had more minutes or not is moot, since the coaching staff didn't want them on the pitch.

So they're gone and we have some more cap room. Hopefully this works for us. Let's face it, we weren't exactly on a good path before these moves, so a shakeup was required.

[Kaz]

well if Vitti is getting 300 it makes sense...
why not just send him home instead?

[Jack]

well if Vitti is getting 300 it makes sense...
why not just send him home instead?
Vitti still has the potential to explode, I think.

Anyway, I'm not going to judge this move yet.

[Shakes McQueen]

Yeah, if we can scrape together 300K for Vitti, we can afford 250K for Gerba.

- Scott

[JonO]

Do we have any wide players left?

[flatpicker]

Do we have any wide players left?

we already got rid of Samuel.

[Pachuco]

well if Vitti is getting 300 it makes sense...
why not just send him home instead?

Vitti isn't on a guaranteed contract for 3 years. He's on loan. So you can take chances when it's just a loan. When you are making a huge commitment though for a hefty 3 year contract you have to be more carefull. Barrett anyone? 2 goals this year I think? and he makes how much on a 4 year contract?

this isn't a knock on Gerba or anything because I don't know how he'll turn out, but I fear we could be saying the same thing about Ali by the end of the year.

[Jack]

I get the feeling there's a theme going on here.

Notice how many of the senior Canadian Men's team we're getting. The more solid Canadians we get, the better off we'll be when Vancouver comes into the league. Because then we'll have more competition for those guys. Better to get them now.

[JonO]

we already got rid of Samuel.
:prrr:

[rocker]

$250,000 is only a lot if you know where TFC stands exactly on allocation and cap number. Since we've never definitively known from the mouth of Don Garber 1) the exact cap number, 2) the allocation we have left, 3) the way allocation is used specifically on TFC to take pressure off the cap, then we really don't know if Gerba's salary hurts us.
I would defer to Mo Johnston on that.

$250,000 isn't a lot if it guarantees us 10 goals minimum per year from him.

[spezz44]

I get the feeling there's a theme going on here.

Notice how many of the senior Canadian Men's team we're getting. The more solid Canadians we get, the better off we'll be when Vancouver comes into the league. Because then we'll have more competition for those guys. Better to get them now.


Good point i never even thought of this.

[VPjr]

If Gerba is committed to getting in shape and STAYING in shape (a huge knock on Ali), he'll do fine but he's an enigma.

He requires excellent service but he's a relatively calm finisher when the ball is delivered to him.

He and DeRo have some chemistry. We'll see what happens.

I've got to believe that Barrett's time in Toronto is quickly going to become even more miserable than it has been thus far. Sitting on the bench cant be fun.

I bet if you send him to a town that doesn't give a crap about its team (almost all MLS teams except for 4 or 5) he might be ok because he clearly can't handle pressure

[Jack]

If Gerba is committed to getting in shape and STAYING in shape (a huge knock on Ali), he'll do fine but he's an enigma.

He requires excellent service but he's a relatively calm finisher when the ball is delivered to him.

He and DeRo have some chemistry. We'll see what happens.

I've got to believe that Barrett's time in Toronto is quickly going to become even more miserable than it has been thus far. Sitting on the bench cant be fun.

I bet if you send him to a town that doesn't give a crap about its team (almost all MLS teams except for 4 or 5) he might be ok because he clearly can't handle pressure

I don't think Barrett's going to go anywhere.

Hopefully this takes some of the pressure off of him and maybe actually helps him.

[Shakes McQueen]

If Gerba is committed to getting in shape and STAYING in shape (a huge knock on Ali), he'll do fine but he's an enigma.

Give him to Winsper for a month. I'm sure he will be in shape.

- Scott

[Roogsy]

I get the feeling there's a theme going on here.

Notice how many of the senior Canadian Men's team we're getting. The more solid Canadians we get, the better off we'll be when Vancouver comes into the league. Because then we'll have more competition for those guys. Better to get them now.

I was thinking the same thing.

Not to mention, when Canadian duty comes up, the national squad HAS to address TFC's concerns instead of overlooking them. They can't take 6 or 6 starters from us. They will have to look elsewhere.

This may be a power move by Mo to increase his influence with the national program so that they answer to TFC with regards to call ups.

[SilverSamurai]

I get the feeling there's a theme going on here.

Notice how many of the senior Canadian Men's team we're getting. The more solid Canadians we get, the better off we'll be when Vancouver comes into the league. Because then we'll have more competition for those guys. Better to get them now.
Well said. Never thought of it that way...

[Broadview]

There's only so many international dates. It's more of an MLS thing than a Cdn National team thing.

Seems that mlsintoronto has some wiggle room regarding schedules though, as we saw this year.

Lucky for us, we didn't qualify for the world cup.

[brad]

Give him to Winsper for a month. I'm sure he will be in shape.

- Scott

Winsper only has him for a limited number of hours a week, and can only do so much.

If Gerba doesn't stay away from the 6 packs and twinkies when he's on his own time, there is only so much Winsper can do.

[Waggy]

So I've made my comute, other than leaving Whitby Girl alone now (apparently), I miss anything? We still waiting for Tomorrow?

[Jack]

So I've made my comute, other than leaving Whitby Girl alone now (apparently), I miss anything? We still waiting for Tomorrow?
Nothing to see here.

[Waggy]

Well at least I'll be able to take notes in class haha. Thanks Jack

[Keyman]

First of all, yes, I double posted my opinion of Gerba. Why would I spend 5 minutes typing out a new response, that would say the exact same thing? Seemed logical. Also, Ricketts is going back to Europe, he said that he needs to get out of this league, and said that the league was nuts.

I wish you all the best Rohan, you were always a class invidual to me.

[GabrielHurl]

ooooo .... oooo.... he's online on Facebook

[Darlofletch]

Do we have any wide players left?


I don't think Barrett's going to go anywhere.

Hopefully this takes some of the pressure off of him and maybe actually helps him.

Vitti and Barrett can settle down into being wingers/providers and occasional goal scorers, and let gerba and Dichio be the main scorers with the pressure on them. Will hopefully work out best for all concerned.

[VPjr]

I don't think Barrett's going to go anywhere.

Hopefully this takes some of the pressure off of him and maybe actually helps him.

I didn't say he was leaving (that would be equivalent to Mo admitting he made a mistake, god forbind)

I just thinking he'll be seeing a lot more of the bench, which is frankly where he belongs.

[Kaz]

http://twitter.com/callitfootball
callitfootball Official: Rohan Ricketts has been released by TFC after an agreement was reached 11 minutes

[Nodoubtguy]

so I had to miss 3 hours of this thread, but really missed nothing???

[noochie]

$250,000 is only a lot if you know where TFC stands exactly on allocation and cap number. Since we've never definitively known from the mouth of Don Garber 1) the exact cap number, 2) the allocation we have left, 3) the way allocation is used specifically on TFC to take pressure off the cap, then we really don't know if Gerba's salary hurts us.
I would defer to Mo Johnston on that.

$250,000 isn't a lot if it guarantees us 10 goals minimum per year from him.

Exactly. They had an extra 500K this year alone left over from the Edu deal on top of the finish position bonus and anything picked up in deals.

[Pachuco]

$250,000 is only a lot if you know where TFC stands exactly on allocation and cap number. Since we've never definitively known from the mouth of Don Garber 1) the exact cap number, 2) the allocation we have left, 3) the way allocation is used specifically on TFC to take pressure off the cap, then we really don't know if Gerba's salary hurts us.
I would defer to Mo Johnston on that.

$250,000 isn't a lot if it guarantees us 10 goals minimum per year from him.

But we know exactly how much it hurts us in this case. 2 players are being released in order to bring in Ali Gerba. He's also reportedly signing for 250K. Do the math, Ricketts and Smith made somewhere around that or a little less combined. So we know Mo's hands were tied with the cap. Also, Sutton got released in order to bring in Garcia. Roster spots was never the problem here so it's pretty obvious to me that we are maxed out.

[Pachuco]

Exactly. They had an extra 500K this year alone left over from the Edu deal on top of the finish position bonus and anything picked up in deals.

See post above :) we wouldn't be releasing players for the fun of it if we had any money left to play with. They bought out Ricketts to get him off the books, I think that says enough no?

BTW-Where the hell have you been? :)

[Nuvinho]

So what are we going to do with the 2 extra spots? put pylons in their place......you can get them at the dollarstore....very cap friendly.

We already have one pylon in Marco Velez.

[Bloor West FC]

Thank God!

[Jack]

So what are we going to do with the 2 extra spots? put pylons in their place......you can get them at the dollarstore....very cap friendly.

We already have one pylon in Marco Velez.
Gambian pylons?

[Kaz]

for those of you that require the website..
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090617&content_id=5376098&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280


Toronto FC announced Wednesday that they have reached a release agreement with midfielder Rohan Ricketts and have terminated his contract.Still no official word on Gerba yet

[Nuvinho]

Gambian pylons?

Aren't those guys part of the team already. I know Sanyang won't be available til August.

We have 22 players........of the 22.........Gala won't play, Sanyang won't play til August, Gomez will only play very limited minutes. Just wondering what happens during international dates or if injuries start to occur.

Mind you, OBW looks like he will be back soon, he can also play as a winger I think.....similiar to Vitti or Barrett roles.

[spezz44]

i wonder what kind of deal, could he perhaps still have a place at the club, community ammbassador or soemthing?

[Pachuco]

i wonder what kind of deal, could he perhaps still have a place at the club, community ammbassador or soemthing?

You know what? I thought exactly the same thing. If he really is staying in Toronto, could it be that the deal is that he'll stick around with the club in some way, shape or form? maybe he's decided to help with coaching the Academy team or something? I dunno.

[spezz44]

^^ he was a great guy and apperently loves the city to why not?

[Limani_Ole]

250K doesn't sound bad for a prooven goal scorer who seems like a good fit for the team and league.. How many years doesn't really matter either.. The cap has only been going up every year and will continue to go up.. Ali will produce goals.. The question is how many

[spezz44]

Argo's new place kicker?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

It would be interesting to know if TFC..tried to deal RR to another club....Even though Ricketts said he had a no trade clause.....Im sure the team would of asked if he wanted to be delt!

I honestly think his career as a footballer is over.....Im sure his off the pitch ventures is where his heart is.

[jloome]

It would be interesting to know if TFC..tried to deal RR to another club....Even though Ricketts said he had a no trade clause.....Im sure the team would of asked if he wanted to be delt!

I honestly think his career as a footballer is over.....Im sure his off the pitch ventures is where his heart is.

People are massively overstating his decline. He's had very few appearances this year, doesn't fit in the 443. But when he has played (as in setting up that Dichio goal two games ago) he's been OK.

He screwed the pooch in the preseason games and it cost him. Hasn't had a chance back since, but that doesn't preclude him going somewhere else.

[Super]

Hmm, wonder if Ali Gerba will be ready to play tomorrow. I sure do hope so. We need all the firepower we can get.

[poppamidnight]

It would be interesting to know if TFC..tried to deal RR to another club....Even though Ricketts said he had a no trade clause.....Im sure the team would of asked if he wanted to be delt!

I honestly think his career as a footballer is over.....Im sure his off the pitch ventures is where his heart is.

If Laurent Robert, Colin Samuel, Marco Reda, Carlos Ruiz and Adam Braz can continue their footballing careers, so can RR....

[Kaz]

Hmm, wonder if Ali Gerba will be ready to play tomorrow. I sure do hope so. We need all the firepower we can get.
I'm pretty sure he will.

Montreal put in a good offer for him this morning, he should be in their starting XI tomorrow....


Sorry was in a cruel mood. :) ;)

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

I’d be surprised if he plays. He hasn’t even officially signed and he missed the Dons playoff run due to injury. Seems like the odds are against it.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

this isn't a knock on Gerba or anything because I don't know how he'll turn out, but I fear we could be saying the same thing about Ali by the end of the year.

a concern for me as well

[MG42]

they won't announce anything, Gerba will be in the starting 11, and everyone will freak out.

[VPjr]

The all knowing Squid2 who occassionally pops up on Voyageurs to share knowledge is reporting that the MLS front office suits are holding up Gerba's contract because they don't like the wording of the out clause he demanded to have added to his contract (rumoured to be 3 years, 250K or 3 years, 300K per, depending on who you are listening to).

Basically, if Gerba gets offered anything decent back in Europe, he wants the option to bolt. Can't blame him.

basically, don't count on him in the lineup tomorrow unless a) he agress to withdraw the out clause or b) he agrees to a more favourable wording on the out clause.

[thrillgill]

Man!!! Sad to see Ricketts go!!!!! He didn't get much of a chance to do anything this year..... yet Chad "can't hit the broad side of a barn" Barrett gets to start week in and week out despite missing golden opportunities week in and week out! Someone's gotta give their fookin' head a shake and get this ship turned around!

[Ageroo]

well that is not good........this might take a while to sort out.

[noochie]

See post above :) we wouldn't be releasing players for the fun of it if we had any money left to play with. They bought out Ricketts to get him off the books, I think that says enough no?

BTW-Where the hell have you been? :)

Unless there is another player going through the paperwork along with Gerba that we don't know about yet... I guess I am holding out hope for that scenario given the fact that no MLS team should be operating without a full roster given call-ups and injury problems.

I have been strapped lately, not getting into the office much these days :) Got this week off to refuel.

[Corpand]

No wonder San Jose didnt continue with their signing process, this bugger doesnt come cheap!

[poppamidnight]

yo... what happened to Rohan's blog update???

twitter tells lies?

[dantdot]

The all knowing Squid2 who occassionally pops up on Voyageurs to share knowledge is reporting that the MLS front office suits are holding up Gerba's contract because they don't like the wording of the out clause he demanded to have added to his contract (rumoured to be 3 years, 250K or 3 years, 300K per, depending on who you are listening to).

Basically, if Gerba gets offered anything decent back in Europe, he wants the option to bolt. Can't blame him.

basically, don't count on him in the lineup tomorrow unless a) he agress to withdraw the out clause or b) he agrees to a more favourable wording on the out clause.

I assume this Squid2 is good source then. I just saw another post of his saying TFC offered JDG a $10 million dollar contract last Friday which he declined, wowie.

[Super]

$10 million over 4 years ... that's $2.5 million per year. Not exactly close to the kind of money I bet he can make overseas.

[wzhxvy]

$10M to JDG for how many years ? 2 is an impressive offer. 3 is so-so.

Btw, VPJr info is not good. The "exit" provisions on deals can really mess up a deal. This might not happen tomorrow or this week for that matter. I am now worried about the deal.

[noochie]

The all knowing Squid2 who occassionally pops up on Voyageurs to share knowledge is reporting that the MLS front office suits are holding up Gerba's contract because they don't like the wording of the out clause he demanded to have added to his contract (rumoured to be 3 years, 250K or 3 years, 300K per, depending on who you are listening to).

Basically, if Gerba gets offered anything decent back in Europe, he wants the option to bolt. Can't blame him.

basically, don't count on him in the lineup tomorrow unless a) he agress to withdraw the out clause or b) he agrees to a more favourable wording on the out clause.

I wonder then why he would sign at all at this point. Why not take the off-season and continue looking for work closer to September like every other European free agent?

If a team really wanted him he could be sold by MLS... sounds like he wants to be able to leave to trial or head on a free transfer, what does that say about his commitment? I would rather hold out for someone else who isn't wearing a parachute around, then again, options seem limited in the short term.

[ExiledRed]

This is why the single entity system is a huge fail.

It should be up to the team to decide if the risk is worth taking, not the fucking league.

[Roogsy]

^ I agree...I don't have a good feeling about this. I feel like we are going out of our way to hire a mercenary who is just stopping by until better things come along.

[Ageroo]

This is why the single entity system is a huge fail.

It should be up to the team to decide if the risk is worth taking, not the fucking league.

Very true...TFC obviously agreed on his terms....so now the dance is on with the league......

[Kaz]

if the exit clause is factual, then I'm thinking we are now Three player down with one new player.

I say if Gerba isn't on the Pitch in New York it's time to release Mo

[Nuvinho]

So you release players without being a 100% certain that the league will approve the deal. This is what keeps happening to Toronto FC.....not to this extent, but players close to coming here but Mo can't seal the deal.

[wzhxvy]

I hate to say it but MLS is right. What is the point of a contract if he wants to walk at any point ??? Its a stupid deal by MO, short sighted and reeks of deseperation. You either lock the guy up or you move on. I am not liking this at all....

[noochie]

Right in the sense that all contracts are owned by the league. Wrong in the sense that if an organization wants to take a risk with their own coin, they should be free to piss it away :)

[TERSIGNI]

Ricketts gone; Confirmed late tonight on TFC website.

[Section 117]

Fuck Gerba if this is true. You want to be able to bail if you actually play well? Who do you think you are? As a loyal supporter I feel we deserve better than this. No player is bigger than the team. This douche thinks that he is. So he thinks he can light it up for a couple of months and then fuck off to Europe

I would never allow this shit at my club.

[Nuvinho]

Ricketts gone; Confirmed late tonight on TFC website.

We got Donovan Ricketts?

[TFC07]

I thought Mo had a 5 year plan? Why is he so desperate to give that type of contract? Looks like Mo has stop following his 5 year plan.

[wzhxvy]

Right in the sense that all contracts are owned by the league. Wrong in the sense that if an organization wants to take a risk with their own coin, they should be free to piss it away :)

Well they are protecting Mo from himself. If Gerba can exit if he gets a better offer and TFC is on the hook for the contract no matter what, its a very one sided deal. But you are correct, if MO is a fool, should they be trying to stop him...I dont know. I am assuming they are worried about setting a bad precedent and hence the pushback. I just dont like this deal now.

[Beach_Red]

I thought Mo had a 5 year plan? Why is he so desperate to give that type of contract? Looks like Mo has stop following his 5 year plan.

Yeah, TFC should sign one of those other guys in the long line just waiting to come here....

Why do we give up on our own team so quickly? This could still work out.

[TFC Tifoso]

I thought Mo had a 5 year plan? Why is he so desperate to give that type of contract? Looks like Mo has stop following his 5 year plan.

He stopped following it in Year 1....this idea of a 5 year plan was only Mo's way of figuring out how he could chill for 5 years before he would start to get some heat....hopefully more people will see through this "plan".

[noochie]

Well they are protecting Mo from himself. If Gerba can exit if he gets a better offer and TFC is on the hook for the contract no matter what, its a very one sided deal. But you are correct, if MO is a fool, should they be trying to stop him...I dont know. I am assuming they are worried about setting a bad precedent and hence the pushback. I just dont like this deal now.

Yup, I agree that given this new tidbit, this deal is not as sweet as it originally sounds. Mind you the out clause could be very specific and we don't have many details on it. That being said, I think MLS is justified in raising a red flag on this kind of clause that could let a player walk essentially (possibly?) with no compensation to the league/team.

[wzhxvy]

Yeah, TFC should sign one of those other guys in the long line just waiting to come here....

Why do we give up on our own team so quickly? This could still work out.

I want Gerba to sign...I dont want MO to fail because it means TFC fails, at least in the short term. If this is true though, sounds like a crappy deal and very short sighted.

[TFC07]

He stopped following it in Year 1....this idea of a 5 year plan was only Mo's way of figuring out how he could chill for 5 years before he would start to get some heat....hopefully more people will see through this "plan".

Very true. Hopefully MLSE are looking for new manager to replace Mo as we speak.

[Canadian Blue]

I don't care if anyone comes in but it was definately time for Rohan Ricketts to go......

[Beach_Red]

I want Gerba to sign...I dont want MO to fail because it means TFC fails, at least in the short term. If this is true though, sounds like a crappy deal and very short sighted.

Okay, that's cool.

Sometimes on this board I get the feeling that whenever there's a negotiation betwen TFC and another team or with an agent we sometimes jump to the conclusion that TFC is the problem. We don't very often think that our team is taking the best deal it can get out of the other side. How often do we think TFC is negotiating from a position of power?

And, at this point, I would accept someone who can score goals coming here on a game-at-a-time contract because we need every game we can get ;).

[nascarguy]

now he will have more to for his twitter and facebook and maybe he will make a cd

[S_D]

Yup, I agree that given this new tidbit, this deal is not as sweet as it originally sounds. Mind you the out clause could be very specific and we don't have many details on it. That being said, I think MLS is justified in raising a red flag on this kind of clause that could let a player walk essentially (possibly?) with no compensation to the league/team.

The deal sounds something out of desperation and I am surprised that Mo went for something like this considering what has happened to Barrett. I agree with MLS holding this one up. It is too one sided.

It sounds to me like a guarunteed contract if he bombs, he leaves if he lights up the league and gets offers elsewhere. Can't blame Gerba for covering his ass but the league has to look after itself as well.

If the 3 year deal was non-guarunteed so TFC could release him if he doesn't measure up while giving Gerba the option to walk say at the end of the season that sounds much fairer to both parties.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

yep cant say i blame him, lookit how Twellman and Cooper have been screwed, id want an out if a bigger team came calling too

[rocker]

2 players are being released in order to bring in Ali Gerba.

Actually, there's no proof 2 players are being released in order to bring in Ali Gerba. 2 players could be released to bring in 2 players... or 2 players could be released because they aren't needed anymore.. etc. etc.

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Daveisonfire]

I will be posting a video blog (rohanricketts.com) stating the facts of the deal. I do not know why TFC have posted I have been released when I was the one who made the decision. I will clear up the rumours.....thx for all the love and support T DOT for life!!

Probably been posted already knowing this thread haha

[Marc"2L"]

Ah yes. The eternal question that even the greatest minds of the academy couldn't solve.

If Ali Gerba scores 3 or 4 goals tonight, and a new legend is born, is love more powerful then money?
Never mind that, 3 or 4 goals on any night...

[standFree]

That's right fire mo for trying to sign a stricker that has ambitions beyond the mls. I'd be pissed to sign a player that doesn't want to play at a higher level. If this guy is successful then we benefit out of it, if he's terrible then were stuck with another stricker that can't score.

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

This is why the single entity system is a huge fail.

It should be up to the team to decide if the risk is worth taking, not the fucking league.
+1, agreed.

[Kaz]

The team wouldn't have agreed to it, if they had final say I don't think.

Rather then spending yesterday getting a decent contract in place that they knew the league would accept, they let a contract go to the league they knew they would balk at.

To me this means that Mo and/or FO has decided he's not worth the trouble, but rather than taking the hit for it, they are passing it off to the League to be the bad guys and hoping supporters won't call foul against Mo and MLSE.

Mo has gotta go.
we have a 300k loaned striker that can't strike, we have a main striker on a multiyear contract that has never been able to strike regularly.
we have one of the 5 worse back lines in the league.
We need a GM and a Coach that can fix this. We don't have that right now.
Cummins isn't to blame, as this isn't the job he was hired to do... Mo on the other hand is...

[denime]

Fuck Gerba if this is true. You want to be able to bail if you actually play well? Who do you think you are? As a loyal supporter I feel we deserve better than this. No player is bigger than the team. This douche thinks that he is. So he thinks he can light it up for a couple of months and then fuck off to Europe

I would never allow this shit at my club.

Thanks god you don't have a club, loyal supporters from your club would suffer,Why?

Because you as a club owner would be signing players that don't want to play at a higher level.Players who would be satisfied with mediocre league with no ambition to play at highest level possible if opportunity comes around.
Good for Gerba,last year several player from overseas and S.America didn't signed because of stupid MLS rules and contracts.Knowing what happened to Cooper and Twellman last year no wonder players a looking whats best for them.
F*ck MLS and Garber,give more power to clubs and players to decide how they want to spend their money and talent.

[Section 117]

Thanks god you don't have a club, loyal supporters from your club would suffer,Why?

Because you as a club owner would be signing players that don't want to play at a higher level.Players who would be satisfied with mediocre league with no ambition to play at highest level possible if opportunity comes around.
Good for Gerba,last year several player from overseas and S.America didn't signed because of stupid MLS rules and contracts.Knowing what happened to Cooper and Twellman last year no wonder players a looking whats best for them.
F*ck MLS and Garber,give more power to clubs and players to decide how they want to spend their money and talent.

This is why I disagree with you. You want to sign a player that will be able to leave you when he gets a better offer from somewhere else? So in reality the only thing he cares about is himself not the team. Maybe I am naive in the sense that if you sign a contract for "x" amount years you honour said contract.

If Europe comes calling then TFC/MLS get a transfer fee cause you are under contract. You give this guy and out clause why not give to every other player. I would love to see this board if Frei had this clause in his contract and he leaves for Europe for free how everyone who feel.

Certain players took less money to stay with our beloved club and now this guy wants to come in and dictate his terms and we shoudl embrace him? How would Dero, Danny, Robbo and the rest of the lads look at him knowing that IF he is succesful he is gone?

Just my 2 cents

[Chevy]

+1. But realistically what type of transfer fee would TFC lose out on with Gerba?

Career. Country. Club. :)

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

Haha, love the new thread title....

[Pachuco]

Actually, there's no proof 2 players are being released in order to bring in Ali Gerba. 2 players could be released to bring in 2 players... or 2 players could be released because they aren't needed anymore.. etc. etc.

Correlation does not equal causation.

I don't need proof. The Score reported that BOTH players needed to be released in order to bring in Gerba. That's enough confirmation for me. Oh you want proof? we released Sutton the day we signed Garcia, and every report said unfortunately Sutton had to go to make room for him. So what does that tell you? We are maxed out in cap space. I have no idea how you can argue against this.

[brad]

+1. But realistically what type of transfer fee would TFC lose out on with Gerba?

Career. Country. Club. :)

MLS over value their players, or flat out won't sell them (think Cooper last in the off season). Gerba is just trying to protect his own best interests.

[BakaGaijin]

I don't need proof. The Score reported that BOTH players needed to be released in order to bring in Gerba. That's enough confirmation for me. Oh you want proof? we released Sutton the day we signed Garcia, and every report said unfortunately Sutton had to go to make room for him. So what does that tell you? We are maxed out in cap space. I have no idea how you can argue against this.

Not necessarily. The club has also reportedly made an offer to JDG. So, perhaps we needed to release Smith and Ricketts to make room for Gerba AND JDG.........just in case JDG actually accepts the offer.

[Shaughno]

MLS over value their players, or flat out won't sell them (think Cooper last in the off season). Gerba is just trying to protect his own best interests.


...and Taylor Twatman.

[brad]

I don't need proof. The Score reported that BOTH players needed to be released in order to bring in Gerba. That's enough confirmation for me. Oh you want proof? we released Sutton the day we signed Garcia, and every report said unfortunately Sutton had to go to make room for him. So what does that tell you? We are maxed out in cap space. I have no idea how you can argue against this.

It would be nice if the league could be a bit more accommodating though.

Would it be any skin off their back to say "we approve the Gerba deal on condition that you free up the appropriate $$$ of cap space"?

[Shaughno]

Not necessarily. The club has also reportedly made an offer to JDG. So, perhaps we needed to release Smith and Ricketts to make room for Gerba AND JDG.........just in case JDG actually accepts the offer.


The reported offer for Gerba is $250k or $300k depending on who it comes from. Ricketts was what, $200k? Smith was $50k? There's your money.

[Pachuco]

Not necessarily. The club has also reportedly made an offer to JDG. So, perhaps we needed to release Smith and Ricketts to make room for Gerba AND JDG.........just in case JDG actually accepts the offer.

So explain Sutton being released for Garcia if we aren't maxed out on cap space? That was a straight 1 for 1. And it wasn't because of the number of players on the roster. Sutton in his interview said he unfortunately was the one without the guaranteed contract so he's the one that had to go for Garcia.

Why am I even arguing this. It's obvious that we are maxed out.

[S_D]

I don't need proof. The Score reported that BOTH players needed to be released in order to bring in Gerba. That's enough confirmation for me. Oh you want proof? we released Sutton the day we signed Garcia, and every report said unfortunately Sutton had to go to make room for him. So what does that tell you? We are maxed out in cap space. I have no idea how you can argue against this.

I have to agree. Mo had about a million allocation, salary cap is about 2.3 mill-ish so say 3.3 million total spending available, and I am positive I saw an article on one of the news sites that TFC was close. All I can say is get ready for a shock next season if there isn't a significant raise in the salary cap :D.

Nunvinho, you still keeping track of the spending?

Committing 250K a yr for 3 yrs to Gerba who may tank is a big gamble. He is unproven in the MLS. Plus if he is out of shape, will there be any incentive to get fit if he knows he is guarunteed the bux over the next 3 yrs?

[Chevy]

Not necessarily. The club has also reportedly made an offer to JDG. So, perhaps we needed to release Smith and Ricketts to make room for Gerba AND JDG.........just in case JDG actually accepts the offer.


And where is the $400k you need for JDG going to come from? You would have to drop at LEAST two more players to make that up.

[flatpicker]

This single entity crap is getting annoying!
Revenue sharing? Fine...
Salary Cap? Fine...

But having contracts handled by the league, and needing their approval for every move? Crap!

[Pachuco]

I have to agree. Mo had about a million allocation, salary cap is about 2.3 mill-ish so say 3.3 million total spending available, and I am positive I saw an article on one of the news sites that TFC was close. All I can say is get ready for a shock next season if there isn't a significant raise in the salary cap :D.

Nunvinho, you still keeping track of the spending?

Committing 250K a yr for 3 yrs to Gerba who may tank is a big gamble. He is unproven in the MLS. Plus if he is out of shape, will there be any incentive to get fit if he knows he is guarunteed the bux over the next 3 yrs?

Not only that, pretty sure MLSInToronto said last week that you can only use HALF of a players salary on allocation money. So just because you have allocation money, doesn't mean you can spend it all on a single player. This complicates things even more as we wouldn't know which players have been given allocation money and which ones haven't.

[Velvet Elvis]

I guess when it comes down to it the league really doesn't trust the teams at all ...

[Shaughno]

This single entity crap is getting annoying!
Revenue sharing? Fine...
Salary Cap? Fine...

But having contracts handled by the league, and needing their approval for every move? Crap!


Unfortunately when the league pays the salaries, that's what you get in return.

[Beach_Red]

I guess when it comes down to it the league really doesn't trust the teams at all ...


I guess they remember NASL all too well.....

In fact, given the chance, it seems there are some teams in EVERY sports league in the world that will become the equivalent of the snotty kid who, "ruins it for the rest of us."

Let's face it, most millionaires and billionaires really shouldn't be trusted ;).

[Nuvinho]

Based on base salary - we have 21 players under contract with a total salary of $2,486,978

We started off the year with $1,000,000 in allocation - $250K (DeRo) - $125K (Serioux) + 100K (Marshall) + $125K (Dunivant) = $850K

Beyond that, I have no clue how the salary structure in the damn league works.

[S_D]

This single entity crap is getting annoying!
Revenue sharing? Fine...
Salary Cap? Fine...

But having contracts handled by the league, and needing their approval for every move? Crap!

Well the league pays the salaries so I guess it is their right to have the final say. Not that I like it but it is what it is.

[BakaGaijin]

And where is the $400k you need for JDG going to come from? You would have to drop at LEAST two more players to make that up.

Well, he would only count as something like $250 000 this year against the cap because he would be coming in mid-season.

I cannot believe that Gerba would be getting $250 000 to $300 000 for a half a season..............He would probably only be $150 000 for this year.

Mo apparantly put an offer out there to JDG. How could he afford to do this if we are maxed out already?!?

Are you saying we would have to drop someone like Robbo to bring in JDG?!?

[Jack]

And where is the $400k you need for JDG going to come from? You would have to drop at LEAST two more players to make that up.
You only need $200k for a half-season DP

[brad]

Are you saying we would have to drop someone like Robbo to bring in JDG?!?

That move actually makes sense if JDG comes int (not that I want to see Robbo go).

I think Vitti would be a more likely candidate though.

[Chevy]

You only need $200k for a half-season DP

True, but the dropped salaries would also be at half-season values.

[Nuvinho]

I thought DP salaries don't count against the cap. How does that work?

First $400K counts (or half season $200K).

For example if Player X is a DP and we pay him $1M, $400K will count against the cap, the other $600K won't.

[jrober38]

First $400K counts (or half season $200K).

For example if Player X is a DP and we pay him $1M, $400K will count against the cap, the other $600K won't.

Thanks, I was just about to post I figured it out anyways.

[Pachuco]

Well, he would only count as something like $250 000 this year against the cap because he would be coming in mid-season.

I cannot believe that Gerba would be getting $250 000 to $300 000 for a half a season..............He would probably only be $150 000 for this year.

Mo apparantly put an offer out there to JDG. How could he afford to do this if we are maxed out already?!?

Are you saying we would have to drop someone like Robbo to bring in JDG?!?

So what you're saying is, since Mo put in a long shot offer to JDG, that he has to release players before he can put that offer in? so when we put in the offer for Nuno Gomez I guess we should've released Robbo at the time? come on man, you don't have to release a player to throw an offer out. If the player accepts, THEN you release the players.

Why am still arguing this I have no idea :(

And no, we don't have to drop Robbo, Vitti makes a hell of a lot of money and is much easier to drop.

[S_D]

Not only that, pretty sure MLSInToronto said last week that you can only use HALF of a players salary on allocation money. So just because you have allocation money, doesn't mean you can spend it all on a single player. This complicates things even more as we wouldn't know which players have been given allocation money and which ones haven't.

MLSInToronto did say that. There are also some additional rules on allocation, but they have an out in one of them that says they can apply to have allocation count against existing players with league approval. I think if we just look at the overall picture and not worry about specific players we can at least be close. Btw according tot he rules you can apply allocation cash to new players in the MLS, so both Vitti and Gerba contracts would qualify for the 50% allocation.


Based on base salary - we have 21 players under contract with a total salary of $2,486,978


I think you should add whatever Sutton got paid up the point of his release and add whatever RR gets in a buyout + salary to the point of his release. The salary paid still has to count towards the cap or every team would be releasing players to avoid cap hits lol. I would be horrified to learn that we are still paying 50% of Cunningham's salary like we did last season :D.



We started off the year with $1,000,000 in allocation - $250K (DeRo) - $125K (Serioux) + 100K (Marshall) + $125K (Dunivant) = $850K

Beyond that, I have no clue how the salary structure in the damn league works.

Looking at how teams like L.A. managed their budgets, I don't think too many GM's do either :D

Add to that all teams may have got an additional 100K allocation.


In addition, last year the league gave extra allocation money to ALL teams for the first time. This was in addition to the annual “you suck allocations” traditionally given to all of the teams that do not make the playoffs.

http://keepinitrealsl.blogspot.com/2008/09/garth-lagerway-on-player-acquisitions.html

[Nuvinho]

^^ Why can't the MLS have a site like the NHL with all the salaries, and cap hit and it goes down as the season progresses. I use the NHL site for my hockey pools yearly.

I think I am more worried about the allocation money for next year, since we don't know when it expires.

[S_D]

^^ Why can't the MLS have a site like the NHL with all the salaries, and cap hit and it goes down as the season progresses. I use the NHL site for my hockey pools yearly.

I think I am more worried about the allocation money for next year, since we don't know when it expires.

18 months after receiving it according to a TSN article.

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

Apparently Ricketts is on his way downtown - Twitter.

Anyone down there keep an eye out for him and see if you can get the inside scoop.

[Shaughno]

Apparently Ricketts is on his way downtown - Twitter.

Anyone down there keep an eye out for him and see if you can get the inside scoop.


What inside scoop? TFC bought out his contract.

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

By scoop I mean:

What's going on in the dressing room. What are his plans. Has Gerba been training with the team. Has anyone else been training.

He claims he is going to let it all out on his website soon.

[DaBandit]

This single entity crap is getting annoying!
Revenue sharing? Fine...
Salary Cap? Fine...

But having contracts handled by the league, and needing their approval for every move? Crap!

Agreed.. bush league...

[noochie]

Thanks god you don't have a club, loyal supporters from your club would suffer,Why?

Because you as a club owner would be signing players that don't want to play at a higher level.Players who would be satisfied with mediocre league with no ambition to play at highest level possible if opportunity comes around.
Good for Gerba,last year several player from overseas and S.America didn't signed because of stupid MLS rules and contracts.Knowing what happened to Cooper and Twellman last year no wonder players a looking whats best for them.
F*ck MLS and Garber,give more power to clubs and players to decide how they want to spend their money and talent.

Its not really about that... it is more about protecting your own club by not letting a player walk for nothing in the event they get a better offer out of the blue. Sell the ambitious player... fine... let him walk for 0... especially when they are relying on him to become the primary goal scorer at the club... shitty.

[denime]

Former Tottenham midfielder Ricketts hits new low after being booted out by Toronto

dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1193845/Former-Tottenham-midfielder-Ricketts-hits-new-low-booted-Toronto.html?ITO=1490)

[Darlofletch]

Former Tottenham midfielder Ricketts hits new low after being booted out by Toronto

dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1193845/Former-Tottenham-midfielder-Ricketts-hits-new-low-booted-Toronto.html?ITO=1490)

Factually correct I suppose, but still, Ouch!

[BakaGaijin]

So what you're saying is, since Mo put in a long shot offer to JDG, that he has to release players before he can put that offer in? so when we put in the offer for Nuno Gomez I guess we should've released Robbo at the time? come on man, you don't have to release a player to throw an offer out. If the player accepts, THEN you release the players.

Why am still arguing this I have no idea :(

And no, we don't have to drop Robbo, Vitti makes a hell of a lot of money and is much easier to drop.

No, I am not necessarily saying that. What I am saying is that we have to drop players by the end of the month or else they count against the cap for the rest of the year. I suspect part of the buyout arrangement with Ricketts would have resulted in Ricketts salary not counting against the cap for the remainder of the year.

Not sure how they would do that, perhaps he waives his gauranteed status or something.

We might not sign another player until July, however, we would have to clear the cap room by the end of the month. If Ricketts wasn't in the plans anyways, may as well dump him now.

[James17930]

Somebody brought up a good point -- releasing Smith and Ricketts before having Gerba signed really puts us in a tight spot.

What happens if something goes screwy and Gerba doesn't end up signing? Then we're short two players we had plus one we thought we'd get. It makes our bench very short.

Then what do we do? Go re-sign Miguel Canazalez and David Guzman just to fill in the roster?

[Shaughno]

Somebody brought up a good point -- releasing Smith and Ricketts before having Gerba signed really puts us in a tight spot.

What happens if something goes screwy and Gerba doesn't end up signing? Then we're short two players we had plus one we thought we'd get. It makes our bench very short.

Then what do we do? Go re-sign Miguel Canazalez and David Guzman just to fill in the roster?


Put it this way, if you don't release them, you don't sign Gerba regardless.

[Pachuco]

Put it this way, if you don't release them, you don't sign Gerba regardless.

But we have two more weeks before we have to release them. Mo could've atleast made use of those two players in those two weeks. And he would have a better idea if the Gerba deal is going to fall apart.

[Shaughno]

But we have two more weeks before we have to release them. Mo could've atleast made use of those two players in those two weeks. And he would have a better idea if the Gerba deal is going to fall apart.


My question, as I'm not 100% clear on it, is do we have the cap space to sign Gerba without releasing Ricketts and Smith?

I mean Smith was a goner anyway, his salary doesn't do much, but Rickett's salary was huge, too huge to be sitting on the bench. I feel like the Ricketts thing got pushed through faster because they wanted to make sure all was clear with league regulations... then the MLS held it up anyway.

[Lucky Strike]

FWIW, since I follow Barnsley (my 2nd favourite team), they keep up to date on ex-Tykes and they had a quick newsclip on Ricketts:

http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~1695350,00.html

[BakaGaijin]

But we have two more weeks before we have to release them. Mo could've atleast made use of those two players in those two weeks. And he would have a better idea if the Gerba deal is going to fall apart.


Ricketts was has been aware for awhile that the club was looking to get rid of him........we learned this from those "twats" that Rohan sent during twittergate (a "twat" is a ridiculous "tweet".....i'm copywriting that..LOL).

I give Rohan the benefit of the doubt.......he probably is a good guy, however, in general, when you have a player that you are not using and he knows that he is on the way out, then you may as well get rid of them ASAP because they can become cancerous to the dressing room.

[rocker]

Mo could've atleast made use of those two players in those two weeks.

well, Smith's almost never been used... same with Ricketts.
Instead of Smith or Ricketts, you put in Ibby and Gala.
Still got Barrett on the bench.

given that there's only 2 league games left June after tonight (and none til July 11 after that), it probably doesn't make a big difference.

Yeah, in the worst case scenario Smith and Ricketts might be useful to play in the 80th minute of 2-3 games, but it's not a big risk in my opinion. They wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing.

Obviously once we get to July 11, the first league game in July, we need to have that roster bolstered. I'm curious whether O'Brien White will be ready by then. That's 3 weeks from now.. he should be.

[Chevy]

Former Tottenham midfielder Ricketts hits new low after being booted out by Toronto

dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1193845/Former-Tottenham-midfielder-Ricketts-hits-new-low-booted-Toronto.html?ITO=1490)


I guess that makes his previous low actually playing for us?

[greatwhitenorf]

No. Ar5ena1.

Who haven't beat Spurs in their past four meetings, I might add.

Ricketts is a marvel at working modern communication technology to his benefit. Full credit for that. Maybe Michelle Lissel should yet fear for her job.

Despite all the criticism that is dropped on Barrett and Vitti, they both clearly and visibly play with far more desire and effort than Ricketts has shown of late.

Remember, God loves a tryer.

[Toronto_Bhoy]

At 165k, Rohan was making more than starters Dichio [120], Serioux [119] and Cronin [36] and other than that 2 goal game contributed little.

I never rated him and wish him no ill will but I'm not sorry to see him go. His social networking skills and media whoring endeared him to some on this board but personally…I want a footballer.

I'm not a Facebook/Twitter guy, so I couldn't give a shit about what he does when he gets up in the morning or where he goes for dinner. All I know is what I saw on the pitch and that wasn't much. I do respect his charitable contribution but that was bigger than his TFC contribution.

Best of luck Rohan…

[Nuvinho]

anyone think that Johann Smith will end up with NYRB.......maybe even play against us next week? Someone on goal.com thinks so.

[gtaguy]

At 165k, Rohan was making more than starters Dichio [120], Serioux [119] and Cronin [36] and other than that 2 goal game contributed little.

I never rated him and wish him no ill will but I'm not sorry to see him go. His social networking skills and media whoring endeared him to some on this board but personally…I want a footballer.

I'm not a Facebook/Twitter guy, so I couldn't give a shit about what he does when he gets up in the morning or where he goes for dinner. All I know is what I saw on the pitch and that wasn't much. I do respect his charitable contribution but that was bigger than his TFC contribution.

Best of luck Rohan…


my sentiments exactly.. well put...

[Beach_Red]

At 165k, Rohan was making more than starters Dichio [120], Serioux [119] and Cronin [36] and other than that 2 goal game contributed little.


And remember he was in town for a while trying to get his contract sorted out - I know you always want to get as much as you can, but he might have been better off making less.

[Cambridge_Red]

hmmm... if true, that does seem a little steep.
But, I don't a run soccer club, Mo does... I will just trust that he knows best.

wow just wow....

[FluSH]

At 165k, Rohan was making more than starters Dichio [120], Serioux [119] and Cronin [36] and other than that 2 goal game contributed little.

I never rated him and wish him no ill will but I'm not sorry to see him go. His social networking skills and media whoring endeared him to some on this board but personally…I want a footballer.

I'm not a Facebook/Twitter guy, so I couldn't give a shit about what he does when he gets up in the morning or where he goes for dinner. All I know is what I saw on the pitch and that wasn't much. I do respect his charitable contribution but that was bigger than his TFC contribution.

Best of luck Rohan…


I hope to see Dichio be TFC Boss one day...

[flatpicker]

wow just wow....

hmmm.... ok, let me rephrase... I will trust that he knows better than me.

[VPjr]

anyone think that Johann Smith will end up with NYRB.......maybe even play against us next week? Someone on goal.com thinks so.

that would be good for TFC in my books.

completely ineffective player unless given LOTS of space, which, at the professional level, isn't supposed to happen.

[VPjr]

hmmm.... ok, let me rephrase... I will trust that he knows better than me.

still not convinced.

[Cambridge_Red]

still not convinced.

I concur my friend.

[Stouffville_RPB]

anyone think that Johann Smith will end up with NYRB.......maybe even play against us next week? Someone on goal.com thinks so.


that would be good for TFC in my books.

completely ineffective player unless given LOTS of space, which, at the professional level, isn't supposed to happen.

But we'd finally get to see that foot race with Wynne we all wanted to see.

Oh wait MLS screwed that up too.

[flatpicker]

still not convinced.


I concur my friend.


if you both are convinced you can do a better job than Mo, then please submit your resumes to MLSE immediately!

[Beach_Red]

if you both are convinced you can do a better job than Mo, then please submit your resumes to MLSE immediately!

That's the great thing about talking sports, though, we're all experts. That's why it's fun.

Without ever having to actually talk to a slimy sports agent or a suit at MLSE we can run the team on the board. We never have to deal with MLS officials, "working on the paperwork," or wade through the fine print of their stupid rules, we never have to get an ultimatum or a double-deal from an agent. We never have to put up with soap opera of the team.

It's hard to tell why a Jay Feaster can build a Stanley Cup winning team and John Ferguson Jr., can't, but it's fun to talk about.

[VPjr]

if you both are convinced you can do a better job than Mo, then please submit your resumes to MLSE immediately!

I've been told that they'll hold my CV for 6 months but don't call us, we'll call you.

And yes, I am convinced I can do better. :hump: