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Nuvinho
06-14-2009, 12:51 PM
I think we had a thread awhile back out how much we have left in allocation.

So we have 23 roster players taking up $3,050,000. (Cap is $2.3M)

Allocation money:

Before the season started $1,000,000
Traded to Dynamo (DeRo) ($250,000)
Trade from Galaxy (Dunny) $125,000
Trade from Sounders (Ty) $100,000
Trade to Dallas (Serioux) ($125,000)

Money left over after Cap and allocation - approx. $175,000

Gerba pro-rated should be able to sign for under $175,000


Only if we bring in another defender, then we may have to shed salary.

mlsintoronto
06-14-2009, 01:45 PM
FYI you cannot pay a salary in allocation alone. You can only use it to pay down 50%.

The Kingpin
06-14-2009, 01:47 PM
FYI you cannot pay a salary in allocation alone. You can only use it to pay down 50%.

So will you be able to do this?

Nuvinho
06-14-2009, 01:48 PM
FYI you cannot pay a salary in allocation alone. You can only use it to pay down 50%.

ah, didn't know that....MLS rules are so complicated. Thanks for clearing that up.

There goes my dream of being a cap-ologist.

Still Kicking
06-14-2009, 04:48 PM
Just to understand the distinction, does this mean that allocations are time sensitive? I know they expire if not used, but could they be retro. For example TFC signs player x in February 09 for 200 grand and then TFC trade for 100 grand allocation in March 09 and voila - player x only counts for 100 grand on your salary cap ?? Do you have to link your allocations directly to a player? Therefore if an allocation had ever been attached to say, Cunningham, Dunivant, Marshall or Sutton - when they go the allocation goes with them??
Questions, questions...

mlsintoronto
06-14-2009, 04:56 PM
ah, didn't know that....MLS rules are so complicated. Thanks for clearing that up.

There goes my dream of being a cap-ologist.

Don't give up yet. I'd bet $100 that you and about 5 others on these boards know more than some coaches and TDs. I'm not even joking!

flatpicker
06-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Don't give up yet. I'd bet $100 that you and about 5 others on these boards know more than some coaches and TDs. I'm not even joking!

I hope you aren't referring to any coaches or TD's working for Toronto!

wzhxvy
06-14-2009, 05:03 PM
You know what...I was so very tempted to say something in this thread but I am going to control my urges and be quiet.

flatpicker
06-14-2009, 05:07 PM
^ maybe for the best...

wzhxvy
06-14-2009, 05:11 PM
Yup...

Kaz
06-14-2009, 05:13 PM
I am confused about something.

How are we signing and trading people? isn't the transfer window closed until July 15th? How is it that we are able to make these trades and signings?

denime
06-14-2009, 05:14 PM
It will be more than enough,from what I heard Gerba is looking for long term contract more than big $$.
Somewhere around 100 G's is what we are talking here,and that is far under 175 G's in allocation plus what ever we have left in cap space.

Nuvinho
06-14-2009, 05:15 PM
trades I think you can make anytime (don't know when the trade deadline is, or if there is one?)

You can sign players out of contract (I think San Jose just did that). Only players under contract have to wait to July 15th.

Once again MLS rules are hard to figure out.

denime
06-14-2009, 05:16 PM
I am confused about something.

How are we signing and trading people? isn't the transfer window closed until July 15th? How is it that we are able to make these trades and signings?

Gerba is without a contract that's why we can sign him.
Trade ? :noidea:

Nuvinho
06-14-2009, 05:16 PM
It will be more than enough,from what I heard Gerba is looking for long term contract more than big $$.
Somewhere around 100 G's is what we are talking here,and that is far under 175 G's in allocation plus what ever we have left in cap space.

IF he is signed and plays on Thursday and IF we win by 4 goals....he'd be more than worth it.

enough pressure for him already eh?

Dirk Diggler
06-14-2009, 05:36 PM
I am confused about something.

How are we signing and trading people? isn't the transfer window closed until July 15th? How is it that we are able to make these trades and signings?

I don't think the transfer window applies to the transactions within the MLS itself. So San Jose can trade with Toronto but we can't trade, say, Edu to Rangers until the transfer window opens.

Also, Gerba is out of contract (free-agent) so by signing him, you are not dealing with any other team.

jloome
06-14-2009, 06:24 PM
The transfer window doesn't apply to players who aren't under contract. Edu was under contract; Gerber isn't.

The only place this doesn't apply involves under-18 players who are under youth contract in one nation being unable to transfer to another nation under a new contract and play. Gotta turn 18 first.

ensco
06-14-2009, 06:25 PM
mlsintoronto, any information you could provide about how long-term contracts work would be most welcome, particularly....

- is there any form of buyout provision?

- can contracts be "guaranteed" (ie paid regardless of whether the player is on the roster or not), and if yes, what is the cap treatment for contracts of released players with guaranteed contracts?

- since all contracts are with the league, does it ever happen that a team and player agree to terms, only to have the league veto the deal?

Kaz
06-14-2009, 07:38 PM
thanks for clearing that up.. I figured that is why, but it's confusing... and seems almost pointless.

Basically you can sign anyone any time so long as they don't currently play for another club outside of MLS, and can trade within the MLS anytime they want.

But you can only sign or trade players with teams in another league, during certain periods.

I am certain someone with a law degree had something to do with this.

Dirk Diggler
06-14-2009, 09:42 PM
thanks for clearing that up.. I figured that is why, but it's confusing... and seems almost pointless.

Basically you can sign anyone any time so long as they don't currently play for another club outside of MLS, and can trade within the MLS anytime they want.

But you can only sign or trade players with teams in another league, during certain periods.

I am certain someone with a law degree had something to do with this.

I think you are able to trade players within MLS because it is a single entity league. Other leagues abide by the transfer window for transactions within the league.

Shway
06-14-2009, 10:02 PM
all this talk about gerba, gerba, gerba...

ill wait till its official

InTheCrowd
06-14-2009, 10:07 PM
all this talk about gerba, gerba, gerba...

ill wait till its official

You won't have to wait long. :D

Shway
06-14-2009, 10:10 PM
You won't have to wait long. :D

hes going to be signed in time for tueday?

Blizzard
06-14-2009, 10:55 PM
The transfer window doesn't apply to players who aren't under contract. Edu was under contract; Gerber isn't.

The only place this doesn't apply involves under-18 players who are under youth contract in one nation being unable to transfer to another nation under a new contract and play. Gotta turn 18 first.

Gerber is too young!

http://mud-bug.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/gerber_baby.jpg

S_D
06-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Don't give up yet. I'd bet $100 that you and about 5 others on these boards know more than some coaches and TDs. I'm not even joking!

Heck I have been tracking articles and stuff giving us information on MLS allocation rules, and I am always finding out something new. If I am one of the five, that isn't saying much about the coaches and TDs :D

For those of you wondering about the general info on allocations, go look at the TFC - Picks/Trades/Int Slots/Allocations (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=4655) thread, there is a section on the Allocation money explanation. One thing I have noticed is there haven't been any mention of major/minor allocation amounts in articles recently. Been wondering if it has been changed. You used to see player traded to x for minor/major allocation, now it is financial terms not released :)



Just to understand the distinction, does this mean that allocations are time sensitive? I know they expire if not used, but could they be retro. For example TFC signs player x in February 09 for 200 grand and then TFC trade for 100 grand allocation in March 09 and voila - player x only counts for 100 grand on your salary cap ??

ok let me take a stab at it. I am sure Paul B. will correct me if I am wrong (and please do), I am just trying to think like MLS. My betting is that no since the player has been paid a month's salary out of his contract before the allocation was acquired.

My guess is that the allocation can be attributed to 50% of the remaining amount on the contract. So if he gets paid 200k, he will get paid 16,666 a month. 200K - 16,666 = 183,334 balance so an allocation can be applied to 50% of that amount or $91,667

Am I right Paul? (Edit: I will be adding your answer to this on the post on the link above)

Dunkers
06-15-2009, 12:42 AM
FYI you cannot pay a salary in allocation alone. You can only use it to pay down 50%.

Release Sutton saving 160,00 of cap space
So you sign Garcia for 190,000, and use 1/2 allocation. only costing 95,000 towards the cap

That leaves 75,000 in salary. With allocations double that to 150,000. Wait until the summer transfer to offically sign Gerba, because then you can offer him a 300,000 pro rated contract

S_D
06-15-2009, 01:51 AM
Release Sutton saving 160,00 of cap space
So you sign Garcia for 190,000, and use 1/2 allocation. only costing 95,000 towards the cap

That leaves 75,000 in salary. With allocations double that to 150,000. Wait until the summer transfer to offically sign Gerba, because then you can offer him a 300,000 pro rated contract

The end figure is probably close (too late in the night to do the math lol) but you have to account against the cap for what Sutton got paid up to the point of his release by TFC, (5 months and a few weeks of his 160K) and back out 5 months and a few weeks of Garcia's cap hit because his salary up to the day he got traded was paid for by SJ (well MLS but you know what I mean).