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andyc
06-09-2009, 02:27 PM
Paulbeirne (https://twitter.com/Paulbeirne)Toronto FC acquired Nicky Garcia and discovery rights to Ali Gerba from Earthquakes. Sutton released. Garcia will be available Saturday.less than a minute ago (https://twitter.com/Paulbeirne/status/2093306204) from TwitterGadget (http://www.twittergadget.com/)

Now going to find out who Nicky Garcia is....

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:28 PM
you are fast!!

I posted it in the other thread as well.

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 02:28 PM
Gerba?? Ali Gerba?? wow.....

billyfly
06-09-2009, 02:28 PM
Here we go. Who is this leak?

Jay P
06-09-2009, 02:29 PM
shit your fast
just saw this!

H Bomb
06-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Nick Garcia? wasn't he the CB traded for last years first overall pick?

Waggy
06-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Ok, the discovery rights. What are the odds we want to give Gerba the money or him wanting to come? I'm not getting my hopes up this early again without something more concrete. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 343 times, shame on me

werewolf
06-09-2009, 02:30 PM
Now going to find out who Nicky Garcia is....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Garcia

Azerban
06-09-2009, 02:31 PM
A defender? In my TFC?

what the fuck did we give them anyways?

VoxPopuliCosmicum
06-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Ali BUMAYE

Don Julio
06-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Doubt we would've gone after his rights if we hadn't already discussed it with him.

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 02:32 PM
what the fuck did we give them anyways?

San Jose receives Toronto’s 3rd round selection in the 2010 MLS SuperDraft

denime
06-09-2009, 02:32 PM
http://sjearthquakes.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t110&player=garcia_n&playerId=gar118653&statType=current

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Doubt we would've gone after his rights if we hadn't already discussed it with him.


thats kinda my thinking.....

andyc
06-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Also it's official...

http://footytweets.com/toronto/news/91254

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:33 PM
We gave up a 3rd round pick only?

BFin
06-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Looks like a bit of a fleecing by MoJo here.
Nice.
Was Garcia not the SJ captain?

Oblio2
06-09-2009, 02:34 PM
And Mo's back.......
Ali Gerba huh. Not bad.
Where is he right now?

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:34 PM
I bet Mo gave them a 3rd round pick and a row of seats to the Real Madrid game.....so that works out to $1M ........haha!!!

Stryker
06-09-2009, 02:34 PM
* goes to start work on an "Im sorry Mo" banner.

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:35 PM
* goes to make an "Im sorry Mo" banner.


hahahahaah!!!!!!

denime
06-09-2009, 02:35 PM
:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5::thumbsup:
I bet Mo gave them a 3rd round pick and a row of seats to the Real Madrid game.....so that works out to $1M ........haha!!!

VoxPopuliCosmicum
06-09-2009, 02:35 PM
And Mo's back.......
Ali Gerba huh. Not bad.
Where is he right now?

Just released by MK Dons.

BFin
06-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Will the butt kissing commence again?

andyc
06-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Looks like a bit of a fleecing by MoJo here.
Nice.
Was Garcia not the SJ captain?

San Jose clearing salary cap for Sol Campbell???

zeelaw
06-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Woah! Good news! The Ali Gerba rights could be the most important?

Waggy
06-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Ali BUMAYE


THATS a chant! Get 20 000 people screaming that....

Azerban
06-09-2009, 02:36 PM
trader motherfucking mo

defender and striker in one fell swoop

trane
06-09-2009, 02:36 PM
I missed the Ali Gerba bit. I would love to see him signed.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 02:37 PM
Gerba.....i like it!

If so.....i say vitti is packin his bags!...


Mabey we can offically make a chant for vitti if this happens.....

DONT CRY FOR ME PAVALO VITTI ( TO THE TUNE OF DONT CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA)

Insert Lyrics here >>> :)

Jay P
06-09-2009, 02:37 PM
* goes to start work on an "Im sorry Mo" banner.

post of the day right here.

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 02:37 PM
Sorry to see Sutton go...

The writing was on the wall for some time...

Thanks for all your work Sutton!

AL-MO
06-09-2009, 02:38 PM
Will the butt kissing commence again?

NOPE.

Parkdale
06-09-2009, 02:38 PM
so now my Sutton jersey is a collectors edition right?

Stryker
06-09-2009, 02:38 PM
Sorry to see Sutton go...

The writing was on the wall for some time...

Thanks for all your work Sutton!

Yeah we really need to do something huge for Suts this weekend.
A salute to Sutts TIFO?

sulfur
06-09-2009, 02:39 PM
so now my Sutton jersey is a collectors edition right?
So glad we made those...

of course... my Edwards is still current. :D

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:39 PM
so Sutton got released to make room. Didn't we have one spot left? So that means that Gerba is signed, but will have to wait til July 15th?

Chevy
06-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Just when I thought I was out.....

http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/al_pacino_godfather.jpg?w=300&h=321

Ageroo
06-09-2009, 02:41 PM
GERBA GERBA GERBA GERBA.......looks like if I get a new Kit that Gerba is going on the back!

mclaren
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
post of the day right here.

Please tell me you're joking ;)

TFC Via Buffalo
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
So glad we made those...

of course... my Edwards is still current. :D

Indeed, my fellow Brian Edwards Jersey card carrying member. Yours is better though since it is an actual GK jersey.

sulfur
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
so Sutton got released to make room. Didn't we have one spot left? So that means that Gerba is signed, but will have to wait til July 15th?
If he was released, he's free to go at any time. Same as when Dichio came here.

AL-MO
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Just when I thought I was out.....

http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/al_pacino_godfather.jpg?w=300&h=321

LOL :scarf:

Parkdale
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
well there goes Mo's 'big announcement' for tomorrow.

ACSertL
06-09-2009, 02:42 PM
so Sutton got released to make room. Didn't we have one spot left? So that means that Gerba is signed, but will have to wait til July 15th?

Hmm good question. He was released by MK Dons so I don't see why we'd have to wait, but MLS rules confuse me to no end.

Edit: What Sulfur said. :)

Eastend
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Age, 2 threads, 1 topic...can you merge them?

C.Ronaldo
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
until there is a ball in the net, I'll hold judgment.


Ps

where the F is our GRASS MO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VoxPopuliCosmicum
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Gerba.....i like it!

If so.....i say vitti is packin his bags!...


Mabey we can offically make a chant for vitti if this happens.....

DONT CRY FOR ME PAVALO VITTI ( TO THE TUNE OF DONT CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA)

Insert Lyrics here >>> :)

Tried that in March (http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=11027&highlight=maradona), but it didn't work out so well:

Don't cry for home Pablo Vitti
The truth is we'll always love you
Though you washed out in Argentina
In ter-awna, you're Maradona

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
If he was released, he's free to go at any time. Same as when Dichio came here.

So we'll probably see him June 24th after he trains with the team for a bit.

Brooker
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
this is when i like to go to the other teams board and see what they think.

only problem is this is san jose we're talking about and they won't figure this out for a few days.

TFC Via Buffalo
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Same Old MoJo

Always Trading

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
well there goes Mo's 'big announcement' for tomorrow.
There could be more.;)

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:44 PM
There could be more.;)

Mo signed himself as our DP, so he can play against Real Madrid on real grass.

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 02:45 PM
well there goes Mo's 'big announcement' for tomorrow.

rights to Gerba....maybe something big is coming tomorrow??

JDG
06-09-2009, 02:45 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2009/06/09/torontofc_roster_moves/

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:45 PM
I am going to say this again...........we gave up a 3rd round pick?

Does Mo have some dirt on the San Jose FO.

1st trade - ROB for a 1st round pick
2nd trade - Rights to huckerby for allocation
3rd trade - 3rd round pick for Garcia and rights to Gerba

DangerRed
06-09-2009, 02:46 PM
This is good news. Now, all we have to do is get Barrett out of the starting XI, sign Jamie Smith and release someone else and we're in business. It's going to be a very interesting second half of the season.

:scarf::scarf::scarf:

Parkdale
06-09-2009, 02:46 PM
There could be more.;)


you spill the beans or I'm coming over to your house, knocking on the door, and waiting politely until you share your information with me.

Brooker
06-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Nick Garcia won the MLS Cup with Mo in 2000.

interesting.

BFin
06-09-2009, 02:48 PM
you spill the beans or I'm coming over to your house, knocking on the door, and waiting politely until you share your information with me.
Bully.

DangerRed
06-09-2009, 02:48 PM
rights to Gerba....maybe something big is coming tomorrow??

I still think the deal that will be announced tomorrow will be a Jamie Smith contract, maybe the release of Ricketts as well. We may also see someone else let go. My bet's on Ricketts, though.

denime
06-09-2009, 02:48 PM
Mo signed himself as our DP, so he can play against Real Madrid on real grass.

:smilielol5::cheers:

F*ck man stop it,You will get me fired FFS.

VoxPopuliCosmicum
06-09-2009, 02:49 PM
you spill the beans or I'm coming over to your house, knocking on the door, and waiting politely until you share your information with me.

You're the worlds worst biker

English Rachel
06-09-2009, 02:50 PM
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooh

Parkdale
06-09-2009, 02:50 PM
You're the worlds worst biker

hey... I'm not going to take my shoes off or anything. Maybe just have a cup of tea, and flip though some Time magazines while I wait for him to share his info with me.

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I am going to say this again...........we gave up a 3rd round pick?

Does Mo have some dirt on the San Jose FO.

1st trade - ROB for a 1st round pick
2nd trade - Rights to huckerby for allocation
3rd trade - 3rd round pick for Garcia and rights to Gerba

There would likelly be undisclosed financial commitments (i.e.: allocation $ for instance)

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Serioux-Garcia partnership

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 02:52 PM
you spill the beans or I'm coming over to your house, knocking on the door, and waiting politely until you share your information with me.

I don't know anything. I'm just reading between the lines a little.

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 02:52 PM
There would likelly be undisclosed financial commitments (i.e.: allocation $ for instance)

What? Mo fleecing them for more.......hahaha!!! j/k!!! I assume that San Jose is getting cash.

So basically if we give up allocation, the only way to sign Gerba, is to show Vitti the door?

Suds
06-09-2009, 02:53 PM
rights to Gerba....maybe something big is coming tomorrow??

if they heave not talked to him Mo has to have some confidence Gerba would seriously consider an offer from TFC .... so until Gerba is signed and and a ball actually crosses the freakin' goal line I'll hold judgment on this one :D

Readin Garcia's bio it looks to be a good pick-up ... plenty of MLS experience, can log lot's of minutes, and most of all seems consistent (which is something we have been lacking)

Let's hope Garcia can slide in nicely to our D and add some much needed depth and experience.

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 02:54 PM
The way I see it we need at least 1, possibly 2, to leave the roster before the end of the month - in addition to Suts.

heather
06-09-2009, 02:55 PM
well this news certainly brightened my day :D

tfc
06-09-2009, 02:55 PM
i hope we don't have to show vitti the door, much rather someone else - barrett or harmse?

rocker
06-09-2009, 02:56 PM
i've never really focused on Garcia enough to know his skills, although I do know his name. scouting report anyone?

Gerba I dunno. I still wanna know why he goes from team to team every year. We talked about this a lot before, but he's the definition of journeyman. Ambition? Looking for more money? That often mentioned problem with practice attitude? Strange case.

San Jose must be bringing somebody in. Garcia is makin $198,000. They might be ready to roll on some foreign signings and need cap space, so they were desperate, being in last place and all.

Darlofletch
06-09-2009, 02:57 PM
2000–2007Kansas City Wizards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Wizards)191 0(1)
2008–2009San Jose Earthquakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_Earthquakes)036 0(0)

His goalscoring stats suggest Garcia will fit in very well up front for us.

Chevy
06-09-2009, 02:57 PM
I still think the deal that will be announced tomorrow will be a Jamie Smith contract, maybe the release of Ricketts as well. We may also see someone else let go. My bet's on Ricketts, though.

This might make sense, although I'm not sure about Smith. The way I see it:

Garcia in and Sutton out (offsetting salaries I'm guessing and to free up a CDN spot)

Gerba signed (400K? 600K? and taking Sutton's CDN spot) and Ricketts released. Barrett to the bench as a second half sub.

Vitti moves to midfield. Everyone is down on the guy, but I love his skills and think he and Guevera would work very well feeding Dero, Dichio and Gerba.

and Most Importantly Folks - David Monsalve moves up to #3 on the depth chart! (wherever he is)

mighty_torontofc_2008
06-09-2009, 02:58 PM
Sorry it ended up like this for Sutton he was always professional in a TFC jersey, good luck in your future football career Greg!!

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 02:59 PM
San Jose must be bringing somebody in. Garcia is makin $198,000. They might be ready to roll on some foreign signings and need cap space, so they were desperate, being in last place and all.

That's how it looks alright.

tfc
06-09-2009, 02:59 PM
garcia isnt a forward? who cares about his goalscoring stats?

The Kingpin
06-09-2009, 02:59 PM
if they heave not talked to him Mo has to have some confidence Gerba would seriously consider an offer from TFC .... so until Gerba is signed and and a ball actually crosses the freakin' goal line I'll hold judgment on this one :D

Readin Garcia's bio it looks to be a good pick-up ... plenty of MLS experience, can log lot's of minutes, and most of all seems consistent (which is something we have been lacking)

Let's hope Garcia can slide in nicely to our D and add some much needed depth and experience.

Though we have had little success with players coming from League 1 (And released)... I mean that's where Andy Welsh plays. And we know how many feel about him. My only hope is that Gerba is extra motivated to come to Toronto. But honestly, this seems like a desperation move.

Garcia, I hope (as I know little about him) seems like a possible replacement for Marshall. But the question remains, who's going to score the goals??

Waggy
06-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Ya why Vitti? I'd rather have vitti WITH someone who can finish, as opposed to a $200 000 a year guy who doesn't play (even though I love RR, thats WAY too much) or however much Barrett blackmailed Mo for.

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Gerba signed (400K? 600K? and taking Sutton's CDN spot) and Ricketts released.

No way. Can't be done. Won't be done.

Brooker
06-09-2009, 03:00 PM
from tfc.com

"We are very happy to bring in a defender with Nick's experience," said Johnston. "We tried to bring him in before and finally we were able to get a deal done. He plays 90 minutes every game, he's quick, and he knows this league inside and out. On Ali Gerba, he's another one that's been on our radar, and we look forward to sitting down with him and getting a contract signed as soon as we can."

Garcia joined San Jose in their expansion season making his debut with the team on April 3, 2008 and helped the team post the fourth-best goals against average in the league. Starting in all 24 games he appeared in last season, he logged 2,151 minutes and added two assists.

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Too little too late.

There are about five players on the roster I'd release before Sutton.

MK Dons aren't close to quality, I'm sure Gerba is a great player but I don't see him tearing up defences in MLS, any more than players we've gotten from much better teams have done, and having discovery rights doesn't count for shit if the player isn't interested anyway.

Barrett is still here, because Mo signed the pratt to a four year contract at a high wage. It should be him going not Greg.

rocker
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
just trying to find more about Garcia... he's played a lot of games in MLS, that's for sure... look at the season by season totals. And staying with one team, KC, is good.. means they appreciated his work.

http://sjearthquakes.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t110&player=garcia_n&playerId=gar118653&statType=career

Pachuco
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Well, I don't see why Vitti has to go. Gerba surely isn't worth what Vitti is worth. (going by where he has been playing and what he's done at the league level). He's probably more of what Ricketts is worth. So we released Sutton in order to bring in Garcia. Now we release Ricketts in order to bring in Gerba.

Quesiton though. How the hell does Mo get Gerba's rights and Garcia for a third round pick? this makes no sense. Unless SJ knows Gerba isn't interested in coming to the MLS or something. Maybe Mo knows that too but he's hoping he wants to come some other time. I just don't see how SJ trades us two players for a third round pick. I'm really confused.

boban
06-09-2009, 03:02 PM
This might make sense, although I'm not sure about Smith. The way I see it:

Garcia in and Sutton out (offsetting salaries I'm guessing and to free up a CDN spot)

Gerba signed (400K? 600K? and taking Sutton's CDN spot) and Ricketts released. Barrett to the bench as a second half sub.

Vitti moves to midfield. Everyone is down on the guy, but I love his skills and think he and Guevera would work very well feeding Dero, Dichio and Gerba.
There is no CDn spot to free up.
If TFC wanted to they could field a whole team of just Canadians.

Chevy
06-09-2009, 03:02 PM
No way. Can't be done. Won't be done.

What's Gerba worth? I thought he would command pretty big dollars.

Darlofletch
06-09-2009, 03:03 PM
* goes to start work on an "Im sorry Mo" banner.

How about I'm (cautiously thinking that maybe, I might be) Sorry Mo (but I'm still going to reserve judgement for a while)

can one of you guys whip that up.

Ageroo
06-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Quesiton though. How the hell does Mo get Gerba's rights and Garcia for a third round pick? this makes no sense. Unless SJ knows Gerba isn't interested in coming to the MLS or something. Maybe Mo knows that too but he's hoping he wants to come some other time. I just don't see how SJ trades us two players for a third round pick. I'm really confused.

Or maybe Gerba isn't interested in going to San Jose.....and Mo knows it as well?

Pachuco
06-09-2009, 03:04 PM
just trying to find more about Garcia... he's played a lot of games in MLS, that's for sure... look at the season by season totals. And staying with one team, KC, is good.. means they appreciated his work.

http://sjearthquakes.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t110&player=garcia_n&playerId=gar118653&statType=career

One more important thing about him is that he hasn't played for the U.S national team since 2004. Could this be true? did Mo just actually find a defender who's MLS proven and won't leave us for international duty. WTF?

The only thing I question is why have I never heard of this guy? I've followed MLS pretty closely since TFC came here.

Beach_Red
06-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Too little too late.

There are about five players on the roster I'd release before Sutton.

MK Dons aren't close to quality, I'm sure Gerba is a great player but I don't see him tearing up defences in MLS, any more than players we've gotten from much better teams have done, and having discovery rights doesn't count for shit if the player isn't interested anyway.

Barrett is still here, because Mo signed the pratt to a four year contract at a high wage. It should be him going not Greg.

Except Sutton fills a Canadian roster spot and that's what needs to be opened up.

Stupid MLS roster rules.

Still, it is too little too late. At this point it should really be a big name DP who can score.

DangerRed
06-09-2009, 03:06 PM
I don't know anything. I'm just reading between the lines a little.

You're right, you don't -- wasn't that you in another thread that said he had heard from a "source" that tomorrow's big news was all Real Madrid related and that there were no deals in the works? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Yep, that was you alright:

DOMIN8R: "This just in.....Apparently, "...on Thursday Mo and Tom Anselmi will meet the media to discuss the Real Madrid story. I don't believe a player related announcement is part of that."

So there wil be nothing announced today (or tomorrow)"

Brooker
06-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Quesiton though. How the hell does Mo get Gerba's rights and Garcia for a third round pick? this makes no sense. Unless SJ knows Gerba isn't interested in coming to the MLS or something. Maybe Mo knows that too but he's hoping he wants to come some other time. I just don't see how SJ trades us two players for a third round pick. I'm really confused.

san jose fan says:

Nick wasn't showing well this year. How many clubs do you think were willing to take his salary hit without something else to sweeten the deal?

that might be it.

another says:

Very happy to see Garcia go, although only getting a 3rd round pick in return is surprising. But other teams have figured out Garcia is slowing down, and with his salary getting anything in return is probably a good thing.

JonO
06-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Well, I don't see why Vitti has to go. Gerba surely isn't worth what Vitti is worth. (going by where he has been playing and what he's done at the league level). He's probably more of what Ricketts is worth. So we released Sutton in order to bring in Garcia. Now we release Ricketts in order to bring in Gerba.

This seems to make the most sense to me...

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Except Sutton fills a Canadian roster spot and that's what needs to be opened up.

Stupid MLS roster rules.

Still, it is too little too late. At this point it should really be a big name DP who can score.

What?

There is a limit to the number of canadians we can field? that's news to me.

C.Ronaldo
06-09-2009, 03:09 PM
does sutton get bought out for the rest of the season?

how do contracts work in MLS?

boban
06-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Too little too late.

There are about five players on the roster I'd release before Sutton.

MK Dons aren't close to quality, I'm sure Gerba is a great player but I don't see him tearing up defences in MLS, any more than players we've gotten from much better teams have done, and having discovery rights doesn't count for shit if the player isn't interested anyway.

Barrett is still here, because Mo signed the pratt to a four year contract at a high wage. It should be him going not Greg.I am with you here on this Exileed. Sad to see a qulaity player dropped just like that. And a Cdn. I say this because with so few soccer heroes in our country for the youth to look up to, it would be nice kids can see as a Cdn you have a real option to play real pro soccer here.
But there is RR and Barret who shoul be given the door, not to mention Velez too.

sulfur
06-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Except Sutton fills a Canadian roster spot and that's what needs to be opened up.
CDN roster spots don't apply to us. That's a domestic spot for TFC. You can have as many domestic players as you want.

reggie
06-09-2009, 03:10 PM
i give creds to mo for this trade,but he still can't find players outside the mls...

tfc
06-09-2009, 03:10 PM
san jose fan says:

Nick wasn't showing well this year. How many clubs do you think were willing to take his salary hit without something else to sweeten the deal?

that might be it.

another says:

Very happy to see Garcia go, although only getting a 3rd round pick in return is surprising. But other teams have figured out Garcia is slowing down, and with his salary getting anything in return is probably a good thing.

lets see what happens when winsper gets a hold of them :D

Darlofletch
06-09-2009, 03:11 PM
Sorry it ended up like this for Sutton he was always professional in a TFC jersey, good luck in your future football career Greg!!

Maybe he can go back to Montreal, ideally before next week, then somhow have an absolute shocker and let in 5 goals against us. :hump:

Though for that plan to work, Barrett and co would have to actually get 5 shots on target for him to let in, hmm, back to the drawing board.

Seriously though, Good luck Greg and thanks.

Jack
06-09-2009, 03:11 PM
Is Gerba going to be able to score for us?

Garcia is a nice pickup. We desperately need a defender, no question.

Gerba has done well for Canada, but boy has he ever bounced around a lot in his career. Maybe he settles in here. But I'm not going to get too excited about this.

Good moves when the team seems to be going off the rails, but I'm not 100% sold.

Plus with Jamie Smith coming in, something else has got to give.

Vitti is a good attacking mid, but if we've got DeRo and Guevara and Smith, I bet Vitti gets sent back.

Gerba would probably get some of that money. We still need another forward. We know that no one can score right now, so getting one guy who can (supposedly) score a bit is a start, but not a defnitive move.

I'll admit I haven't seen enough of Gerba to make the call, other than a few flashes for Canada.

Brooker
06-09-2009, 03:11 PM
people on san jose's board are really shitting on him.

they think we're crazy to take him and his salary.

fingers crossed

Fort York Redcoat
06-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Garcia to boss the backfield as a former captain?
Gerba can take Vitti's role or work with him if Barrett is benched IMO.
Smith takes Rickett's spot?

Changes...:D:scarf::D

Jack
06-09-2009, 03:12 PM
san jose fan says:

Nick wasn't showing well this year. How many clubs do you think were willing to take his salary hit without something else to sweeten the deal?

that might be it.

another says:

Very happy to see Garcia go, although only getting a 3rd round pick in return is surprising. But other teams have figured out Garcia is slowing down, and with his salary getting anything in return is probably a good thing.

Sounds a bit like what was being said about Marshall after we acquired him, but now people are pining for the guy.

TFCmatty
06-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Not sure how i feel about this one...

On one hand we definatly need another quality defender...but is garcia over the hill? and how much can we really be paying him here? and to be forced into releasing Sutton as well...........hmmmmmm i'll have to sleep on this one

boban
06-09-2009, 03:13 PM
What?

There is a limit to the number of canadians we can field? that's news to me.
Exactly Excile. I mentioed it also that thereis no Cdn limit for TFC.
Just liek there is no limit for US players playing for US MLS teams.

Waggy
06-09-2009, 03:14 PM
lets see what happens when winsper gets a hold of them :D

I bet a search of that phrase in every previous signing thread would be an...unpleasant trip down memory lane haha. Lets just hope a change of scenerie and the fear of god can help. Or that this guy slowing down is still an upgrade for us.

alexintoronto
06-09-2009, 03:14 PM
If all this team needed was an experienced MLS CB whose best years were behind him - why trade Tyrone Marshall?

Jeff s
06-09-2009, 03:14 PM
Well its disappointing to see Sutton go. But sorta understandable. With him taking a lot of the salary cap despite not being a starter and having Edwards as a back up.

Garcia, little concerned about the san jose comments. I know he was supposed to be their best one last season or something ( so weird, I bought Garcia when i was managing tfc in football manager :p)

Really happy about the Ali news though. Finally something is being done in that position. I think he can improve that position for sure.

Beach_Red
06-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Exactly Excile. I mentioed it also that thereis no Cdn limit for TFC.
Just liek there is no limit for US players playing for US MLS teams.

You mean we don't actually have to have any Canadians on the team?

SoccMan
06-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Okay for all you newbies to MLS who did not know such a league was even around before TFC came into the league I know Garcia very well. I remember going down to the MLS Cup in 2000 to see the final at RFK Stadium between Chicago and K.C. Nick Garcia playing in his rookie season for K.C. played on the bask line,however, I don't remember him as a center back in that final but as a wide defender, anyways he did stand out and played a solid game in helping K.C. win that game and the MLS Cup in 2000. I was very surprised to see him go to San Jose last year. However, Nick Garcia is the real deal a solid and experienced MLS defender and should bring some stability to our defense.

Pachuco
06-09-2009, 03:17 PM
people on san jose's board are really shitting on him.

they think we're crazy to take him and his salary.

fingers crossed

Dang. It all makes sense now. Either way though, we have to remember that we ourselves are the best at creating scape goats. Maybe he's not as bad as they say he is. maybe he has no support in San Jose from the other defenders. Maybe he plays well with Serioux. Who knows. I guess we'll wait and see.

3rd round pick though does seem to say something.

olegunnar
06-09-2009, 03:18 PM
Sounds a bit like what was being said about Marshall after we acquired him, but now people are pining for the guy.

Exactly

This is the Marshall trade undone.

We send Marshall to Seattle for $$

We get Garcia from SJ for $$

It's kind of a ooopsie, maybe we shouldn't have traded Marshall before we had the Pole signed reaction.

Thing is....Garcia makes $200K and Marshall makes $160K, so depending on the allocation we sent SJ (which convieniently isn't disclosed) we might have had to pay extra this time around to get what we were so happy to get rid of back in February.

But that's okay...people don't care about quality, they just want trades...and now they're happy for a while

DOMIN8R
06-09-2009, 03:18 PM
You're right, you don't -- wasn't that you in another thread that said he had heard from a "source" that tomorrow's big news was all Real Madrid related and that there were no deals in the works? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Yep, that was you alright:

DOMIN8R: "This just in.....Apparently, "...on Thursday Mo and Tom Anselmi will meet the media to discuss the Real Madrid story. I don't believe a player related announcement is part of that."

So there wil be nothing announced today (or tomorrow)"

Thanks for being condescending. I was wrong about "nothing to announce today."

But otherwise you are incorrect.

I posted what someone had told me. But if it makes you feel better – tomorrow hasn’t happened yet so before you embarrass yourself further perhaps you should reserve judgment until then. Mo has already commented on this trade and release. He won’t speak about much again tomorrow. And for the record, my post has already been verified by a second source. Read the whole thread again. And then go troll elsewhere.

billyfly
06-09-2009, 03:18 PM
If all this team needed was an experienced MLS CB whose best years were behind him - why trade Tyrone Marshall?

A big part of making mistakes is understanding when you made them and changing direction or correcting the mistake.

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 03:19 PM
You mean we don't actually have to have any Canadians on the team?

Yes we do,

Come on Beach you're smarter than this.

There is a minimum number of canadians we can have on the squad, not a maximum.

denime
06-09-2009, 03:19 PM
You mean we don't actually have to have any Canadians on the team?

What he meant is we can have 20 if we wont,and hopefully we will in few years.

boban
06-09-2009, 03:20 PM
You mean we don't actually have to have any Canadians on the team?
Sorry for the confusion.
There is no upper limit.

prizby
06-09-2009, 03:22 PM
something happened yeah!!!

Waggy
06-09-2009, 03:23 PM
A big part of making mistakes is understanding when you made them and changing direction or correcting the mistake.


+1, if it came down to spending an extra 80 000, or just pretending the mistake didn't happen, its a pretty obvious choice. Obviously in hindsite thats easy to say, but we don't have that kind of benefit at the time. Most of my respect for Bryan Colangelo (whom I consider to be the best GM this city has had, outside of the Jays Brass of the late 80s anyways) comes from his ability to recognize when he fucks up and fix it quickly. Thats all I ask.

Phil
06-09-2009, 03:24 PM
If all this team needed was an experienced MLS CB whose best years were behind him - why trade Tyrone Marshall?

If I remember correctly, we traded him and then got left at the altar by the guy who was supposed to replace him.

I may be wrong...

Darlofletch
06-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Haven't really seen much of gerba at all, but my impression was always that he didn't ever really look that good, but somehow ends up scoring a few goals.

Kind of like the Anti-Vitti.

I'd take that.

prizby
06-09-2009, 03:25 PM
I would like to know one thing

what has this done in terms of changes to the salary structure

are we still on the hook for Sutton's 160k?

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Vitti better watch out, Garcia may steal his headband.

http://my.thescore.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/footyblog/garcia_5F00_2.jpg

rocker
06-09-2009, 03:27 PM
I would like to know one thing

what has this done in terms of changes to the salary structure

are we still on the hook for Sutton's 160k?

nope... Sutton's paycheques end immediately.
Most MLS contracts are not guaranteed until I believe July. so probably 40% of that 160 has been taken away from the cap. but the rest remains for the season.

DangerRed
06-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Thanks for being condescending. I was wrong about "nothing to announce today."

But otherwise you are incorrect.

I posted what someone had told me. But if it makes you feel better – tomorrow hasn’t happened yet so before you embarrass yourself further perhaps you should reserve judgment until then. Mo has already commented on this trade and release. He won’t speak about much again tomorrow. And for the record, my post has already been verified by a second source. Read the whole thread again. And then go troll elsewhere.


Man, stop being so serious. No one's trolling or being condescending. I'm just calling you on your bullshit. Anyway, wait till tomorrow. My hope is that Ricketts gets released and we ink Jamie Smith, announced at a news conference with MoJo.

And if you're right, I'll be the first to give you credit for it.

:scarf::scarf::scarf:

Sab0tage
06-09-2009, 03:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnrnZP9FAk0

Some goals from Gerba. I'm hoping we can get him signed.

Suds
06-09-2009, 03:30 PM
But the question remains, who's going to score the goals??

yep ... only one half of our problems addressed at the moment

Pigfynn
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
I have asked this in other threads with no response so I'll try here:

What evidence if any do we have that this Jamie Smith character is even coming to TFC other than some notoriously hit and miss newspapers from the UK reporting it?

Beach_Red
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
What he meant is we can have 20 if we wont,and hopefully we will in few years.

Hopefully.

It's just whenever there's a minimum requirement of something in Canada we rarely ever exceed it. I work in TV and there's a required number of hours of Canadian production, which has given us the saying, "And not a minute more." So it just looks like we're keeping the number of Canadians at the minimum.

For the people saying Garcia is the same as Marshall, though, didn't Marshall count as an international and Garcia is American?

TFC07
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
So credit goes to Mo, but why did SJ only receive 3rd round pick in return?

As for Vitti, I say keep him and get rid of Barret instead. Vitti is a good depth player who can play as a striker or attacking mid. I just hope Vitti takes a pay cut though.

mastermixer
06-09-2009, 03:34 PM
it would be sweet if we can sign him before montreal next week and he helps us score some goals to take the tournament out of Vancouvers hands!

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 03:34 PM
A long time ago I remember seeing Nick Garcia on a TV show about the science of sports. He was on with another player (I forget who) and they were studying the phsyics behind that famous Ronaldo bicycle-kick goal - Garcia was playing the ball in while the other guy tried to pick it out of the air.

At the time I had no idea who he was, but Garcia always stuck in my head because he was really, really funny - at worse I think that he'll be a solid locker room guy, and as a former team captain another good leader.

kitchener-TFC
06-09-2009, 03:35 PM
How much was Sutton making?

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 03:35 PM
So credit goes to Mo, but why did SJ only receive 3rd round pick in return?

As for Vitti, I say keep him and get rid of Barret instead. Vitti is a good depth player who can play as a striker or attacking mid. I just hope Vitti takes a pay cut though.

He's on loan, why would he take a cut?? if we don't want him, he goes back to his team and makes the same amount

Stryker
06-09-2009, 03:36 PM
If Gerba can finish HALF the chances Barrett has been alone with the keeper he'll still be averaging a goal a game.

Chevy
06-09-2009, 03:36 PM
Don't get your hopes up for Garcia. Let's be honest, he is a spare part that we need for depth (Brennan hurt, Nana hurt, Velez incompetent, Harmse unskilled).

Our depth at D is much less than our depth at the Keeper position, so the deal was made.

As for Gerba, who knows?

TFC07
06-09-2009, 03:36 PM
He's on loan, why would he take a cut?? if we don't want him, he goes back to his team and makes the same amount

I mean if TFC decides to keep him after the season.

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 03:40 PM
I mean if TFC decides to keep him after the season.

I don't see that happening....

Stryker
06-09-2009, 03:42 PM
Jist of the deal:
Lost a bench player
Payroll increases 34,000

Gained a starter
Aquired rights to another starter

Sounds solid to me.

Carter
06-09-2009, 03:43 PM
If Gerba can finish HALF the chances Barrett has been alone with the keeper he'll still be averaging a goal a game.

If MO can INK Gerba.... nothing is set in stone, we just have his rights, thats it.

DangerRed
06-09-2009, 03:44 PM
How much was Sutton making?

Greg Sutton has a 2009 guaranteed compensation of $165,062.50.

sulfur
06-09-2009, 03:45 PM
What he meant is we can have 20 if we wont,and hopefully we will in few years.
Honestly? I hope not.

sulfur
06-09-2009, 03:47 PM
For the people saying Garcia is the same as Marshall, though, didn't Marshall count as an international and Garcia is American?
For TFC? Both internationals. Aka... both non-domestic.

Stryker
06-09-2009, 03:47 PM
One things for sure... Brian Edwards is breathing a sigh of relief this afternoon.

FluSH
06-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Though we have had little success with players coming from League 1 (And released)... I mean that's where Andy Welsh plays. And we know how many feel about him. My only hope is that Gerba is extra motivated to come to Toronto. But honestly, this seems like a desperation move.

Garcia, I hope (as I know little about him) seems like a possible replacement for Marshall. But the question remains, who's going to score the goals??

Good points...

gracos
06-09-2009, 03:50 PM
I am shocked as to why Edwards was kept, and Sutton sacked, I thought Sutton played better in net

S_D
06-09-2009, 03:51 PM
I have seen Garcia play a bit for the last two seasons and here are my thoughts:

He isn't the second coming but the guy had good positioning, didn't panic, has a ton of experience, and should be able to kick Velez to the curb.

An upgrade to Velez is all a man can ask for.

poppamidnight
06-09-2009, 03:55 PM
I am shocked as to why Edwards was kept, and Sutton sacked, I thought Sutton played better in net


See $$$,

...and $$$ is also why Chad should be dealt over Vitti,

Vitti's is a loan deal that can be terminated whenever....
...Chad's got a long-term contract.

Deal Chad.... Bring in Gerba...

..then once OBW is good to go ship Vitti back to Argentina,

Still could have some $$$ for a DP (depending if Smith is still coming in from Aberdeen + how much $ Gerba wants)

MLS is a salary cap league people!!!

Stryker
06-09-2009, 03:55 PM
Don't forget the Winspear factor here folks. Should be a boost to Garcia's game and add pace and even more strength to would be signing Gerba.

If Gerba signed then we'd have 3 big strong forwards when White starts playing. That'll really wear down opponents defences.

bhoybobby
06-09-2009, 03:59 PM
If all this team needed was an experienced MLS CB whose best years were behind him - why trade Tyrone Marshall?

I've been asking that question for ages, to no avail. Single biggest fuck up of the season.

These moves smack of desperation, at least he made moves.

Are we stuck with Barrett?? Please tell me we won't keep Barrett, Harmse & RR & let Vitti go.

Where's my international world class DP??? Coming tomorrow:scarf:

vweyonlah
06-09-2009, 03:59 PM
TFC better sign Gerba quick if they wanna score 4 against Montreal



I like the moves, maybe just a tad too late...

bhoybobby
06-09-2009, 04:01 PM
nope... Sutton's paycheques end immediately.
Most MLS contracts are not guaranteed until I believe July. so probably 40% of that 160 has been taken away from the cap. but the rest remains for the season.

Then why are the shit fuck's Barrett & RR still here:scarf:

Dunkers
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
July 1st cant come fast enough, beggining of summer transfer window!

Id like to see Gerba in a TFC kit

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/collective_bargaining_agreement__final.pdf

__wowza
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Mo signed himself as our DP, so he can play against Real Madrid on real grass.

AHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHHH!!
POST OF THE MONTH RIGHT HERE!!

Beach_Red
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Where's my international world class DP??? Coming tomorrow:scarf:

They could still salvage something getting a proper DP - they could still get into CONCACAF, Montreal has dropped 4 in one important game before :D.

S_D
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Then why are the shit fuck's Barrett & RR still here:scarf:

perhaps because no other teams want them. :noidea:

As I said in another thread, if you were a GM would you trade for Barrett?

gtaguy
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
with the back line falling apart i think mo was forced to make a deal.

On Ali Gerba, he's another one that's been on our radar, and we look forward to sitting down with him and getting a contract signed as soon as we can."

It appears to me that MO has probably already talked to Gerba about moving to toronto and that quite possibly its all about the pay now... we need fresh blood upfront GitRdone MO..

I think the missing piece to the puzzle is O.B White .. Something tells me this kid is the real deal and were going to be pleseantly surprised ... Maybe ready in the next couple of games..

Barrett is MO's monkey and becuase MO doesn't want to admit to making an error in signing Chad he rather stick with the kid through the long haul...
I think chad will eventually break out however Chad as the main striker in the team is a NO NO....In the winter season i say send him down to Argentina and have someone teach the kid how to finish ...

Vitti.. although he improves day by day .. We need a breakout game out of him to take him seriously.. up to know hes been a money hole...

MO don't think that all is well becuase you decided to pull some trades..
You knew you had to work something or the Toronto Fan base would probably have linched you the next time you stepped foot into BMO

bhoybobby
06-09-2009, 04:05 PM
perhaps because no other teams want them. :noidea:

As I said in another thread, if you were a GM would you trade for Barrett?

Yeah, pylons & a hot dog

Chevy
06-09-2009, 04:14 PM
What is Gerba worth??

Pigfynn
06-09-2009, 04:19 PM
^no more than $230,000

Corpand
06-09-2009, 04:20 PM
Just check out Toronto FC TV :D

"Watch these highlights of Ali Gerba, one of the newest aquired players for Toronto FC."

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 04:20 PM
We got rid of Sutts because he is a bigger impact to our cap than Edwards. However, the biggest reason is that I believe MoJo is already anticipating that Frei will be in Europe soon and Edwards is a much better starter that Sutts in the future.

I'm assuming Barrett will be gone too as will Ricketts. this sets us up nicely to the future with a 2011 starting XI that will look something like this

-----------Frei or Edwards
---Wynne----Serioux----Garcia----Gala
---Jaime Smith----Cronin--------DeRo
---------------Guevara
--------White----------Gerba

S_D
06-09-2009, 04:20 PM
last time he was here there was a rumour that he wanted 300K and Mo said no thanks, can't afford it.

Corpand
06-09-2009, 04:21 PM
boys and gals, check Toronto FC TV :D

Gerba is Signed!!!

Nuvinho
06-09-2009, 04:25 PM
Gerba is signed, else they won't put a video of him on TFC TV.

Stryker
06-09-2009, 04:28 PM
Yup. Gerba is ours. He ain't pretty but he gets the job done.

poppamidnight
06-09-2009, 04:31 PM
July 1st cant come fast enough, beggining of summer transfer window!

Id like to see Gerba in a TFC kit

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/collective_bargaining_agreement__final.pdf


Why does MLS have it listed as July 15th?

http://web.mlsnet.com/about/league.jsp?section=regulations&content=overview

Ageroo
06-09-2009, 04:32 PM
Yup. Gerba is ours. He ain't pretty but he gets the job done.

Pretty in what sense? style of play or his mug.....:D

Super
06-09-2009, 04:38 PM
Gerba is NOT signed. We have acquired his MLS rights - but we still need to negotiate a contract with him, and that could take a while. Also, there is no guarantee that he'll end up signing with us. On the other hand, I think he might like a move back to Canada at this point in his career.

Brooker
06-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Gerba is NOT signed. We have acquired his MLS rights - but we still need to negotiate a contract with him, and that could take a while. Also, there is no guarantee that he'll end up signing with us. On the other hand, I think he might like a move back to Canada at this point in his career.

come on, man. Mo isn't gonna trade for his rights unless he's talked to him about coming here. also, Toronto FC TV says he's our newest player.... so I think it's just a matter of putting pen to paper.

this is a done deal.

The Kingpin
06-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!

boban
06-09-2009, 04:57 PM
We got rid of Sutts because he is a bigger impact to our cap than Edwards. However, the biggest reason is that I believe MoJo is already anticipating that Frei will be in Europe soon and Edwards is a much better starter that Sutts in the future.

I'm assuming Barrett will be gone too as will Ricketts. this sets us up nicely to the future with a 2011 starting XI that will look something like this

-----------Frei or Edwards
---Wynne----Serioux----Garcia----Gala
---Jaime Smith----Cronin--------DeRo
---------------Guevara
--------White----------Gerba
If that is indeed the case, we are in some trouble.

gracos
06-09-2009, 04:57 PM
I think this is a good start but now we need to clean up a little bit, start by getting rid of Barrett, then we can have more cap space or draft picks, then clean up by getting rid of Harmse, and gain ourselves a new winger, then we can clean up someone who our club currently has a scandal with, that being RR, and if we could clean up by getting rid of a defender, then we would be in very good shape, and then sign to our needs, then MOJO you will gain my respect and a lot of our fans as well

boban
06-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!
LMAO. I'm with you on this one.
We have not addressed our most important need - a real quality proven striker.

Ageroo
06-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!

I can't sense any sarcasm here.......... :p

I for one am not saying all is well with the world. It however is a step in the right direction. I like Gerba as many know and have seen him play numerous times to say that I am very pleased with this signing. Does it mean we are winning the cup...NO. Does Mo need to do more...Yes.....

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 04:59 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!

I'm personally excited that we kept Edwards for when Frei goes to Europe, we have made changes to our strikers to bring in a forward who has chemistry with DeRo and has shown he can find the back of a net, and a defender who is as solid as you can find in the MLS.

I don't love Mo, I never hated him - but I call a spade a spade, and this was a fantastic footballing move to improve the quality on the pitch.

Now we can shed Ricketts closer to the European transfer window and make additional moves. It honestly couldn't have been a better move,

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:00 PM
LMAO. I'm with you on this one.
We have not addressed our most important need - a real quality proven striker.


us and 90% of the clubs in the world (usually if a striker is quality and proven...he's probably not real :) )

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 05:00 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!

Could you imagine how different the reaction would be if Ali Gerba was exactly the same player he is now, but english?

GabrielHurl
06-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Band-aid solution when major surgery is needed

The Kingpin
06-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Could you imagine how different the reaction would be if Ali Gerba was exactly the same player he is now, but english?

Exactly. This is when I go on about people slopping up everything their fed...

mclaren
06-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!

agreed, people get excited very easily.

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 05:09 PM
Does anybody realise San Jose is one of the two teams that has conceded more goals than us this season?

So our solution, is to sign their defender.

Don't mind if I puke, do you?

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 05:10 PM
hmmm...you'd assume that Gerba will be announced tomorrow becasue TFC TV says "newest player acquired" not "rights acquired" and maybe Jamie Smith too. If so, who goes??
Chad and RR
RR and Vitti
Johann and Rohan
someone else??

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Sorry, are we getting excited over a League 1 forward who was released by his club? I'm not sure, but.... Oh well. Great moves MO, we love you again!! All is forgotten!! You are the King!! Mighty Mo Mighty Mo!!! w00t!! Yea!! MLS CUP HERE WE COME!!!


Could you imagine how different the reaction would be if Ali Gerba was exactly the same player he is now, but english?


There are certainly some decent League One players that would do very well in MLS.

I still cross my fingers and toes that Mo could land Rickie Lambert as a DP striker from Bristol Rovers.

I won't judge the likes of Gerba until he suits up for Toronto and shows his skill.

There may be some bias against Canadian players simply because we don't have a reputation for being elite footballers.
Hopefully that will change in time.

League One is pretty scrappy but has a decent skill level. I hope Gerba can offer us something from his experience.

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Does anybody realise San Jose is one of the two teams that has conceded more goals than us this season?

So our solution, is to sign their defender.

Don't mind if I puke, do you?


that does make me a little nervous.
Hopefully all the blame is on their keeper!

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:13 PM
Gerba plays his best during interplay with DeRo and JDG. If we could just complete the trifecta.

The bottom line is that the man can finish, and that is something we could use right now.

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 05:14 PM
There may be some bias against Canadian players simply because we don't have a reputation for being elite footballers.
Hopefully that will change in time.


I think you misunderstood me. If Gerba was a league one forward of english nationality, Mo's crucifix would be going up on saturday.

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Gerba plays his best during interplay with DeRo and JDG. If we could just complete the trifecta.


don't tease!

Keyman
06-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Essentially, this is what just went down:

We acquired a player, in Ali Gerba, who has been with 13 teams since the year 2000. Who has, outside of his time with MK Dons, a League One team, never been a prolific scorer at the club level, at a high level. Having said that, it is true that he has been rather productive for Canada, and having watched every televised CMNT game I'm very familiar with his play. Gerba can finish if he's provided with delivery from the midfield. Around the net he is very composed and, dare I say clinical. He has a hell of a shot and is dificult to handle in the box. His weakness is his lack of pace and fitness level, which is below par - at least for Canada. Overall, it's really difficult to predict what he will bring to the table. No one can truthfully say he will tear apart the league, and no one can truly say that he'll be a bust. Because in the end, there seem to be two different Ali Gerba's, one can score, one cannot, and it's impossible to say which one will play for Toronto. However, with the sheer amount of chances our strikers our given, I'd say I'm leaning towards Gerba succeeding.

Nick Garcia also comes in. He's obviously not the same Nick Garcia that MLS fans know from a few years ago. He has definitely lost a step, and against quicker strikers he struggles. But if he can act as positional cover for Serioux, he could be effective. Garcia is a very smart defender, and he knows how to play intelligent football. If he's relied on as our primary defender at the back, and given the responsibility of covering the leagues top players, then he will be exposed, otherwise he should be alright. He is not our solution at the back though, and our search for a much needed CB continues.

Basically, this all rests on Gerba.

The Kingpin
06-09-2009, 05:15 PM
There are certainly some decent League One players that would do very well in MLS.

I still cross my fingers and toes that Mo could land Rickie Lambert as a DP striker from Bristol Rovers.

I won't judge the likes of Gerba until he suits up for Toronto and shows his skill.

There may be some bias against Canadian players simply because we don't have a reputation for being elite footballers.
Hopefully that will change in time.

League One is pretty scrappy but has a decent skill level. I hope Gerba can offer us something from his experience.

WHOA! ;) I'm not taking the piss. I think many League 1 teams would smoke TFC. The issue I have is that he was released. How many 27 year old, effective, strikers get released? I think Lambert would do well... But that's a different matter. I hope Gerba does well - I'm just flabbergasted that so many think this is a 'saviour' type move. I think there should be some reservation to start... I mean Ricketts was at least in the Championship...

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 05:16 PM
I think you misunderstood me. If Gerba was a league one forward of english nationality, Mo's crucifix would be going up on saturday.


oh I see... yup... misread you...

personally, I don't see why some people would have a problem with bringing in a Brit.
At least he wouldn't be called away to play for his country!

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Does anybody realise San Jose is one of the two teams that has conceded more goals than us this season?

So our solution, is to sign their defender.

Don't mind if I puke, do you?


I rate Garcia - take what you'd like from that :o

I've watched him frustrate many a team and was the anchor of a KC team that was one of the best defending teams in the league.

San Jose traded their 1st pick overall in their first year for him and they were a solid side last year defensively. This year I don't recognize a single player on their side 'cept Huckerby and him and defence go together like virgins and herpes

Yohan
06-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Does anybody realise San Jose is one of the two teams that has conceded more goals than us this season?

So our solution, is to sign their defender.

Don't mind if I puke, do you?
SJ had respectable GA average last season. This season, lack of form from Joe Cannon, some injury issues accounts for their horrible GA this season

flatpicker
06-09-2009, 05:17 PM
WHOA! ;) I'm not taking the piss. I think many League 1 teams would smoke TFC. The issue I have is that he was released. How many 27 year old, effective, strikers get released? I think Lambert would do well... But that's a different matter. I hope Gerba does well - I'm just flabbergasted that so many think this is a 'saviour' type move. I think there should be some reservation to start... I mean Ricketts was at least in the Championship...


can't argue with that...

it's all "wait and see" I guess...

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Essentially, this is what just went down:

We acquired a player, in Ali Gerba, who has been with 13 teams since the year 2000. Who has, outside of his time with MK Dons, a League One team, never been a prolific scorer at the club level, at a high level. Having said that, it is true that he has been rather productive for Canada, and having watched every televised CMNT game I'm very familiar with his play. Gerba can finish if he's provided with delivery from the midfield. Around the net he is very composed and, dare I say clinical. He has a hell of a shot and is dificult to handle in the box. His weakness is his lack of pace and fitness level, which is below par - at least for Canada. Overall, it's really difficult to predict what he will bring to the table. No one can truthfully say he will tear apart the league, and no one can truly say that he'll be a bust. Because in the end, there seem to be two different Ali Gerba's, one can score, one cannot, and it's impossible to say which one will play for Toronto. However, with the sheer amount of chances our strikers our given, I'd say I'm leaning towards Gerba succeeding.

Nick Garcia also comes in. He's obviously not the same Nick Garcia that MLS fans know from a few years ago. He has definitely lost a step, and against quicker strikers he struggles. But if he can act as positional cover for Serioux, he could be effective. Garcia is a very smart defender, and he knows how to play intelligent football. If he's relied on as our primary defender at the back, and given the responsibility of covering the leagues top players, then he will be exposed, otherwise he should be alright. He is not our solution at the back though, and our search for a much needed CB continues.

Basically, this all rests on Gerba.

this is why I'm excited - thanks for the analysis

boban
06-09-2009, 05:23 PM
us and 90% of the clubs in the world (usually if a striker is quality and proven...he's probably not real :) )
Nice play but not interested.
You know what I mean.

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:24 PM
^ No I dont

Nodoubtguy
06-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Question....when TFC had rights to other players (McBride, Huckerby), did they post any video of them??

rocker
06-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Does anybody realise San Jose is one of the two teams that has conceded more goals than us this season?

So our solution, is to sign their defender.

Don't mind if I puke, do you?

weren't you the person who was arguing months ago that problems in other parts of the field contribute to defensive problems? that if we fix our midfield and forwards, the defense becomes better? or was that somebody else?

San jose has had massive problems in midfield and up front (Convey, no ROnnie O, who was key last year, and no Huckerby, due to injury). They also have had problems scoring and recently signed Cornell Glen, a journeyman, to help there.

So I'm not sure one can just look at the team goals against and assume a great deal of that was on Garcia's shoulders. Their whole team, particular upfront, is a mess.

Keyman
06-09-2009, 05:29 PM
this is why I'm excited - thanks for the analysis

No problem. I'd say I'm realistically optimistic about these signings. Anyone claiming either player is "the answer" is misguided, and anyone who is being purely negative about the trade should re-evaluate their stance, imo.

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:32 PM
I made that point too in repsonse to Ben Knoight's "insight", here's another tidbit...3rd in league GA - Seattle, anchored by Tyrone Marshall

Defence is a team game, unless that defender is Velez

ecospice
06-09-2009, 05:33 PM
I bet Mo gave them a 3rd round pick and a row of seats to the Real Madrid game.....so that works out to $1M ........haha!!!

LOL :) because it is true!

TorontoBlades
06-09-2009, 05:34 PM
No problem. I'd say I'm realistically optimistic about these signings. Anyone claiming either player is "the answer" is misguided, and anyone who is being purely negative about the trade should re-evaluate their stance, imo.

You're right. Not the final answer, status quo was a step in the wrong direction too. Something needed to be done now, and considering the transfer window isn't open to make a big splash - it's as good as I could have hoped for.

Closer to the transfer window, we can still shed some salary (Ricketts, Barrett, etc) but no need to do that yet and be without

SilverSamurai
06-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Not too pleased about Sutton being released, but with such a small cap I see why it's done. We should have 3 keepers though I thinks. I'd hate to have to use the league spare again... (doesn't TFC have access to that young Canadian keeper though?) or did he end up going overseas?

I'm excited about Gerba, not only because he has an awesome chant, but because he has a good record playing for Canada. HOPEFULLY he'll be signed, but what's going to happen during the Gold Cup?

Also it's been mentioned that he plays best w/ DeRo and JDG, but we're not gonna have JDG anytime soon sadly. He's said it many times sadly. :(

bhoybobby
06-09-2009, 05:46 PM
Band-aid solution when major surgery is needed

Line up the lemmings. It's like being starved for a month then being given a week old burnt hot dog, wow that looks delicious, thank you kind sir, your great.

I suppose I'm glad the ginger haired drunk"s trying to give Cummins some tools. If he manages to get rid of Harmse, Barrett & Ricketts & keeps Vitti< i may even loosen the noose around his fat neck:scarf:

S_D
06-09-2009, 05:47 PM
WHOA! ;) I'm not taking the piss. I think many League 1 teams would smoke TFC. The issue I have is that he was released. How many 27 year old, effective, strikers get released? I think Lambert would do well... But that's a different matter. I hope Gerba does well - I'm just flabbergasted that so many think this is a 'saviour' type move. I think there should be some reservation to start... I mean Ricketts was at least in the Championship...

I don't think Gerba is a saviour.... I am just excited at the thought of Barrett never seeing the pitch for TFC again and Velez being nothing more than a sub. :D

And lets be frank... if Gerba is a league 1 forward, where would Barrett be? At least one or two divisions below.

And just to answer your previous post, I do not see these moves as something that will take Mo (and Anselmi) off the hook. I want a 4-0 win over Montreal, and I want at least second round playoffs. Anything less than that is a failure as far as I am concerned. And I will not be happy until we never hear from Anselmi again when it comes to TFC, just as we don't hear a peep from Peddie about the Leafs.

trane
06-09-2009, 05:55 PM
"We are very happy to bring in a defender with Nick's experience," said Johnston. "We tried to bring him in before and finally we were able to get a deal done. He plays 90 minutes every game, he's quick, and he knows this league inside and out."

Gerba, who formerly played with the Montreal Impact and Toronto Lynx, had been linked to MLS after third-tier English team Milton Keynes Dons FC refused to renew his contract. The 27-year-old has made 23 appearances with the Canadian team, scoring 11 goals.

"On Ali Gerba, he's another one that's been on our radar," said Johnston. "We look forward to sitting down with him and getting a contract signed as soon as we can."


Has MO ever signed a player he has not been looking for, or trying to get for some time. That would be news.

boban
06-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Has MO ever signed a player he has not been looking for, or trying to get for some time. That would be news.
Do you remember Fletcher's presser and Peddie lip syncing the speech a couple of years back?
MLSE has preformed statements everyone.
They just file them according ot situation, then when they need it they pull it out and recite it. LOL

TFC USA
06-09-2009, 06:04 PM
I just got hard.

TFC USA
06-09-2009, 06:07 PM
Not because of Gerba, because Sutton got released. Frei is my hero.

ExiledRed
06-09-2009, 06:08 PM
"On Ali Gerba, he's another one that's been on our radar," said Johnston. "We look forward to sitting down with him and getting a contract signed as soon as we can."

You know, in Mospeak this usually means that the deal is up in the fuckin' air and the player has said absolutely nothing to suggest he's decided to come here.

Sullivan
06-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Too bad for Sutton.
Rec'd an email from professor and his take on Garcia.

"what you get for Nick Garcia and his wage, base $190,000. / $198,750

yeah he's losing a step but he's got a couple of seasons left and he just turned 30. he knows the MLS forwards as well as they know him. a small CB who is 5-10 and average weight so it's not his physical play that is his strength. it's his durability and high footy IQ; his ability to settle and organize the defending third. he and Serioux will form a solid tandem; and with Robbo in front, it will be a huge change. he's also capable of playing under pressure and delivering playable service to the midfield. his game is all about positioning, reading the game and anticpating. he's not a wait and react defender. "

Hey, he's also a former teammate of Mo from the KC squads of 2000 and 2001.

And as for Gerba, try knocking the smile off of DeRo's face....

TFC FORZA RPB
06-09-2009, 06:18 PM
what was the point of getting Gomez and Sanyang?
if your gonna go out on the pitch and lose, let's let the rookie's out their

tfc
06-09-2009, 06:19 PM
"We are very happy to bring in a defender with Nick's experience," said Johnston. "We tried to bring him in before and finally we were able to get a deal done. He plays 90 minutes every game, he's quick, and he knows this league inside and out."

Gerba, who formerly played with the Montreal Impact and Toronto Lynx, had been linked to MLS after third-tier English team Milton Keynes Dons FC refused to renew his contract. The 27-year-old has made 23 appearances with the Canadian team, scoring 11 goals.

"On Ali Gerba, he's another one that's been on our radar," said Johnston. "We look forward to sitting down with him and getting a contract signed as soon as we can."


Has MO ever signed a player he has not been looking for, or trying to get for some time. That would be news.

yeah, not good news. why would anyone want him to sign a player he hasn't been looking for or trying to get for some time?

trane
06-09-2009, 06:23 PM
I like Gerba, and have been in favour of the club signing him for some time. So if he is signed I think it would be good. But lets be clear on what he could be, a very good MLS striker. He is by no means a DP level signing, he is the type of signing which Mo has always favoured. However, this is one that may work out. He is still prety young, and he has a good striker rate. Some say not at club level, but I think that it not true, there are a couple of clubs that he did not play for alot like IFK Gotenburg, but it would seem that were he played he scored. For Canada he has done very well. He has played with De Ro and that is a plus.


I like the signing, but I keep it in perspective.


I do worry, about why he has not been able to stick with clubs, but others have told me is that he does not work hard in practice.

jloome
06-09-2009, 06:24 PM
Gerba will be a very good fit for this team. He's a poacher, a trash cleaner. He has good positioning to bang in rebounds, crosses and the like, the kind of junk we've been missing on.

But he's not a league-leading strikers. I think eight of his 10 goals for Dons last year came in a three-game span. If he scores six or eight in the second half, that's more than we could usually hope for.

Fans liked him, though, because he was clutch. There was mass disappointment on the fan boards when he was released, but he has a longstanding reputation for physically dogging it in practice and coaches can't stand the guy.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 06:26 PM
RID VITTI BARRETT RICKETTS...and bring him in at the MAX $400 000...

and as i said in another post!! SEND JDG(DP) a BLANK CHEQUE! :)

Brooker
06-09-2009, 06:28 PM
But he's not a league-leading strikers. I think eight of his 10 goals for Dons last year came in a three-game span.


8 goals in 3 games? WHAT?!

trane
06-09-2009, 06:29 PM
^JDG, De RO and Gerba, would be great in TO. But JDG is a DP type player.

Ageroo
06-09-2009, 06:29 PM
I like Gerba, and have been in favour of the club signing him for some time. So if he is signed I think it would be good. But lets be clear on what he could be, a very good MLS striker. He is by no means a DP level signing, he is the type of signing which Mo has always favoured. However, this is one that may work out. He is young, and he has a good striker rate. Some say not at club level, but I think that it not true, there are a couple of clubs that he did not play for alot like IFK Gotenburg, but it would seem that were he played he scored. For Canada he has done very well. He has played with De Ro and that is a plus.


I like the signing, but I keep it in perspective.

Well said trane...as much as I am a fan of Gerba...I...like you, do not think he is a DP level signing. But what he does bring is a strike rate, which cannot be questioned. Hopefully his strike rate will only get better while he is here with us.....I for one am hoping this turns out for the better!

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 06:29 PM
wonder if the revs would take ricketts and barrett for TWELLMAN?? :)

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 06:30 PM
^ Gerba isn't worth $400k


I
I like the signing, but I keep it in perspective.


Agreed!

mclaren
06-09-2009, 06:31 PM
wonder if the revs would take ricketts and barrett for TWELLMAN?? :)

thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 06:32 PM
^JDG, De RO and Gerba, would be great in TO. But JDG is a DP type player.

TFC should be opening the book for JDG......i wonder if they have enven attemped???

Remember back in the day when MLSINTORONTO said......how about a canadian for a DP!! He had to of ment JDG ;)

trane
06-09-2009, 06:35 PM
^I would love that.

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 06:40 PM
They couldn't open the book wide enough to get JDG. We can't compete with the money or quality of play in Europe. He's a solid player on a good team in Spain...the only way he leaves there is to go to a bigger club in Spain or England.

tfc
06-09-2009, 06:43 PM
They couldn't open the book wide enough to get JDG. We can't compete with the money or quality of play in Europe. He's a solid player on a good team in Spain...the only way he leaves there is to go to a bigger club in Spain or England.

we could definitely compete in price for JDG, but it doesn't mean he would come, even at a premium. He has already stated that the reason he isn't here is because he wants to continue to play at that level.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 06:49 PM
They couldn't open the book wide enough to get JDG. We can't compete with the money or quality of play in Europe. He's a solid player on a good team in Spain...the only way he leaves there is to go to a bigger club in Spain or England.

Is JDG not out of contract at the moment......does anyone know his salary now??

Im sure its not more then 3 mill a season....

would 5mill lure him back home???

brad
06-09-2009, 06:53 PM
JDG isn't coming. He's said that a number of times, as have others that know him.

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 06:54 PM
We'd have to pay a transfer fee too...they won't allow his contract to expire, he'll get resigned or transfered out before that would happen.

Bloor West FC
06-09-2009, 06:56 PM
So when will Ali Gerba get to wear a TFC jersey?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnrnZP9FAk0

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 06:56 PM
JDG isn't coming. He's said that a number of times, as have others that know him.


CA: You're a self-confessed fan of Toronto FC, how do you see their progress in Season #2? Mo Johnson could certainly use your help up there (!) are we going to see you in the red shirt of your home town team before you hang up the boots?

JDG: It would be the ideal way of ending my career. Right at home. I've never followed a team like this before. Last time I remember doing so was probably during my childhood years. Its a great feeling to know there's a professional team not just in Canada, but right in my backyard. And the response from the fans is just amazing. I believe after their rookie season, they'll be geared up to compete with the rest of the league and hopefully earn a playoff spot. My favorite player is Edu. Reminds me so much of Nsaliwa.


I hope this happens oneday.....:canada:

mclaren
06-09-2009, 06:58 PM
Let's not count our chickens yet http://images.teamtalk.com/07/09/330/DarrenHuckerby_575436.jpg

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
06-09-2009, 07:00 PM
Let's not count our chickens yet http://images.teamtalk.com/07/09/330/DarrenHuckerby_575436.jpg

EDIT: Lets not count our Canaries yet..;)

trane
06-09-2009, 07:01 PM
^ Exactamundo. ( that is not acctualy Italian)

mclaren
06-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Line up the lemmings. It's like being starved for a month then being given a week old burnt hot dog, wow that looks delicious, thank you kind sir, your great.

I suppose I'm glad the ginger haired drunk"s trying to give Cummins some tools. If he manages to get rid of Harmse, Barrett & Ricketts & keeps Vitti< i may even loosen the noose around his fat neck:scarf:

great post.

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Is JDG not out of contract at the moment......does anyone know his salary now??

Im sure its not more then 3 mill a season....

would 5mill lure him back home???

I don't imagine that he'd make anywhere near $3 million (closer to $1m I'd guess) but there are other opportunities (endorsements etc.) that are available to players in Europe that aren't available to them here. I can't imagine MLSE spending $5million on him (or anyone for that matter) - that's more (in salary) that Beckham got, and JGD won't sell tickets all across the league and put the league on the map the way Beckham did.

CretanBull
06-09-2009, 07:07 PM
^ Exactamundo. ( that is not acctualy Italian)

Spanish? :D

mclaren
06-09-2009, 07:09 PM
EDIT: Lets not count our Canaries yet..;)

i see what you did there...

trane
06-09-2009, 07:10 PM
Spanish? :D

Yes, in honour of JDG. ;)

Chevy
06-09-2009, 07:30 PM
I am I the only that thinks that Gerba is no more than a USL-calibre striker?

Super
06-09-2009, 07:33 PM
I am I the only that thinks that Gerba is no more than a USL-calibre striker?

Then he should be more than good enough for us.

mclaren
06-09-2009, 07:38 PM
his stats on wiki don't look too amazing (apart from with Canada)

Inklink
06-09-2009, 07:45 PM
Overall, I'm happy. I'm still pissed at Sutton from last week, but all the best to the guy.

trane
06-09-2009, 07:51 PM
I am I the only that thinks that Gerba is no more than a USL-calibre striker?

Generaly USL-calibre strikers do not play professional football in European second and third divisions, or start for their national team. I am not saying that he will be Del Piero, but he is an MLS calibre striker.

InTheCrowd
06-09-2009, 07:53 PM
Generaly USL-calibre strikers do not play professional football in European second and third divisions, or start for their national team. I am not saying that he will be Del Piero, but he is an MLS calibre striker.

+1 on that!

denime
06-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Generaly USL-calibre strikers do not play professional football in European second and third divisions, or start for their national team. I am not saying that he will be Del Piero, but he is an MLS calibre striker.
+2 easy MLS caliber striker