Funny thing I read this morning...

[Shep]

"We did enough for a tie, but not enough for a win," said head coach John Limniatis.

I'm sure some of you have seen this, but I got a kick out of his optimism. On the Impact site this morning.... what match was he watching?

Could have been 4-nil or 5-nil if we'd finished better or pen calls had gone our way.

[Fort York Redcoat]

He's an Impact Apologist.:D

[Eastend]

BUT.....he's right. 1 goal leads are dangerous.

[Shep]

BUT.....he's right. 1 goal leads are dangerous.

True, and I was grinding my teeth at the end, but they definitely didn't do enough to earn anything. We did enough to earn a win, and at least a tie, but they deserved nothing but a clear loss with their performance.

It was funny how in the pregame interview he was talking about having different form in the cup match than how they've been in the league.. living in the past.

It was so nice to see TFC passing and holding possession for long periods. Amazing match - except yeah 1 goal leads are dangerous.

[Shep]

oh and btw, I LOVED the [USL 4 LIFE] banner!!!

[rocker]

if Limniatis thinks they played well enough to get a tie he's lying to himself.

in a mathematical sense, it was close.. of course. But his team did basically nothing out there.
They looked like they were playing with 10 men before the sending off.
There was a time in the second half when I was getting BORED because the Limp Act weren't putting up any fight at all. TFC had possession for ever. :)

But did you guys ever really feel worried that we were gonna lose that 1-0 lead? I didn't, cept maybe for a corner at the end.

[Shep]

The offside goal scared me a wee bit, but beyond that it was a comfortable match.


:scarf:

[Beach_Red]

But did you guys ever really feel worried that we were gonna lose that 1-0 lead? I didn't, cept maybe for a corner at the end.

Hey, I'm thrilled for the win, but yes, I was worried we'd end up with a tie against a 10-man USL team because we didn't put the game away and as usual, we looked to be scrambling at the end.

There was a moment when Guevara had the ball taken away from him that it looked like DC all over again, but then he went and got it back. Nice to see.

[rocker]

Hey, I'm thrilled for the win, but yes, I was worried we'd end up with a tie against a 10-man USL team because we didn't put the game away and as usual, we looked to be scrambling at the end.

There was a moment when Guevara had the ball taken away from him that it looked like DC all over again, but then he went and got it back. Nice to see.

But that's your own attitude based on being up only 1-0.

What I'm saying is, other than the end bit, did you really feel worried about Montreal?

they had like 1 shot on goal in the first half, they barely could get forward, they made awful passes that went out of bounds. And Toronto had possession by a massive amount. So a worrywart obviously would see the 1-0 score and get nervous, but in an objective sense, forgetting the scoreline, there was really no pressure or real chance at goal by Montreal (I don't count the offside, as it was offside right away) until the very end.

In other words, I'm saying there's a difference between worried about the scoreline itself, and being worried about the opposition. Naturally a 1-0 scoreline is always troublesome late in the game.
BUt I never felt like Montreal was going to do something. I felt if they were to score, it would be some fluke (penalty, own goal)... not something they would do.

[Beach_Red]

But that's your own attitude based on being up only 1-0.

In other words, I'm saying there's a difference between worried about the scoreline itself, and being worried about the opposition. Naturally a 1-0 scoreline is always troublesome late in the game.
BUt I never felt like Montreal was going to do something. I felt if they were to score, it would be some fluke (penalty, own goal)... not something they would do.

Well, it's my attitude, sure but it's based on experience ;).

I agree, though, that some fluke (or bad call - always a possibility) was far more likely than anything Montreal was going to do. Still, when you're in the position that it would only take one good play (or one fluke play, or one bad call) to tie the game, then any opposition is worrisome.

[Yohan]

so, who still wants John Limiatis as TFC head coach?

[Carefree]

Well, it's my attitude, sure but it's based on experience ;).

I agree, though, that some fluke (or bad call - always a possibility) was far more likely than anything Montreal was going to do. Still, when you're in the position that it would only take one good play (or one fluke play, or one bad call) to tie the game, then any opposition is worrisome.
That's exactly how I felt. Having 90% of possession and outshooting the opposition throughout the entire game means f##k all if you're gonna cough it up in the 92nd minute for the tying goal.

Still an amazing game though. Loooooved the "USL 4 EVR" sign :)

[TFC*FAN]

If Montreal's play last night was not deserving of a loss, I don't know what was.

I read somewhere the shots were 16(8) to 3(1) for us.

And considering we hit the bar twice, Barrett's breakwaway blunder and Guevara's near miss in the second half from Barrett's other break, the shots were more indicative of the play than the scoreline.

Tactically speaking, I'm really surprised we didn't play at Braz more often in the second half, even though we weren't hurting for good chances.

[Roogsy]

BUT.....he's right. 1 goal leads are dangerous.


Agreed. I was crapping my pants hoping a fluke goal wouldn't go in.

We need to finish off teams we have on the ropes. If anything, DC showed us that a 1 goal lead is still a precarious proposition for us.

[Yohan]

And considering we hit the bar twice

3 times. Cronin, DeRo, Velez ;)

[Shep]

Whoever was in charge of the camera switchboard last night was on acid though.

Some crazy angles were put on during some shots, I think it was Cronin's bar stroke that looked the craziest, they shifted to the back-net camera and all we see is the ball coming into the top right corner - all of a sudden the keeper flies into the shot, misses and it dings the post... it was almost funny how it looked like it was sailing right in and then this hand appears...

..and how many girls blowing kisses did they show? :yum:

[SmokedPanda]

John Limniatis ate too much saputo cheese products, his vision is impaired!

[trane]

so, who still wants John Limiatis as TFC head coach?

Me.

I would still give him an opportunity if we were looking for a coach, you do not judge a coach on one game or loss, or comment. He has done well with a squad that is less tallented then ours.

[Yohan]

Me.

I would still give him an opportunity if we were looking for a coach, you do not judge a coach on one game or loss, or comment. He has done well with a squad that is less tallented then ours.
so, mtl's lack of success in USL is not something to worry about?

Limiatis has basically one thing that went right. Mtl's run in CCL last year.

other than that, exactly what did he accomplish?

[trane]

^ That is a pretty big thing. I said I would give him a chance on what he got out of Montreal last year, not that he is the best coach in the world. What did Cummins accomplish before comming here? Yet he has done a superb job for us so far.

[Yohan]

^ That is a pretty big thing. I said I would give him a chance on what he got out of Montreal last year, not that he is the best coach in the world. What did Cummins accomplish before comming here? Yet he has done a superb job for us so far.
I'm not advocating Cummins as permanent head coach for TFC.

I'm questioning Limiatis's qualifications as a coach. I just don't think he's done enough to warrant TFC job

[ManUtd4ever]

I attended last year's match at BMO in July and last night's match as well. There was a stark contrast this time around. Montreal actually controlled the flow of the match at times last year and unfortunately were deserving of the draw. Yesterday, TFC completely outclassed the Impact and the score should have been at least 4-0. I want some of whatever John Limniatis smoked before the game...

[trane]

Yohan,

That is your opion, and that is fine, but what did Carver and Cummins have to warrant the job? Being a head coach is very different from being an assistant.


You cannot take what a coach is saying for the media as his real views on an issue, maybe they are but it could also just be his way of encouraging the team. At the end of the day who gives a shit what is said in the media, we won. End of story. He is preparing his team for the next game, at least mentaly. Clearly he does not want them to be too down on themselves and to feel like they canot win.

[Yohan]

Yohan,

That is your opion, and that is fine, but what did Carver and Cummins have to warrant the job? Being a head coach is very different from being an assistant.


You cannot take what a coach is saying for the media as his real views on an issue, maybe they are but it could also just be his way of encouraging the team. At the end of the day who gives a shit what is said in the media, we won. End of story. He is preparing his team for the next game, at least mentaly. Clearly he does not want them to be too down on themselves and to feel like they canot win.
actually, my original comment about Limniatis was not about his media comments, but his coaching in general.

I agree with you on Limniatis's comments to media, that he doesn't want his team's morale to be hurt by the loss. I said something to say effect about Thordarson after Van game too.

I wish you'd stop trying to compare Limniatis with Carver/Cummins, and talk about Limniatis's qualifications only.

I have yet to see a convincing argument from you to see exactly why Limniatis deserves a shot at TFC job, other than Mtl's run in CCL last year (which could just be a fluke. minnow teams sometimes do make great cup runs, but fails in league competitions)

[billyfly]

Anyone been on the Mtl supporters site to see what they are saying?

[Dozitwin]

"We did enough for a tie, but not enough for a win," said head coach John Limniatis.

I'm sure some of you have seen this, but I got a kick out of his optimism. On the Impact site this morning.... what match was he watching?

Could have been 4-nil or 5-nil if we'd finished better or pen calls had gone our way.

Actually not the full quote.....if you watch the press conf. he says "MAYBE we did enough for the tie, but not enough for a win,"

[Hustle]

Anyone been on the Mtl supporters site to see what they are saying?

Most likely they are talking about how nobody likes them...but they don't care!

[billyfly]

http://www.rds.ca/impact/chroniques/274763.html

MTL just fired the manager

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=13365

[trane]

actually, my original comment about Limniatis was not about his media comments, but his coaching in general.

I agree with you on Limniatis's comments to media, that he doesn't want his team's morale to be hurt by the loss. I said something to say effect about Thordarson after Van game too.

I wish you'd stop trying to compare Limniatis with Carver/Cummins, and talk about Limniatis's qualifications only.

I have yet to see a convincing argument from you to see exactly why Limniatis deserves a shot at TFC job, other than Mtl's run in CCL last year (which could just be a fluke. minnow teams sometimes do make great cup runs, but fails in league competitions)

Listen kid, I realy do not care to convince you, nor do I realy care wh ether you find it convincing. But I am not sure what qualifications you looking for in a manager. What better qualification is there the proving you can win with little talent. football is all about results, he got results. Stop comparing him with Carver and Cummins, you say? Why not, are they not the people that TFC hired? So are they not the measuring stick as to what qualifications are needed to work as a manager for TFC? So far he has far more to show then Carver and Cummins. [ This is not meant as disripect to Cummins as I like him as a coach, but he has not won anything -yet]

[trane]

^ Anyway, as I said winning is everything. Impact just fired Limniatis.

[Yohan]

^ Anyway, as I said winning is everything. Impact just fired Limniatis.
that does much to reinforce your argument that Limniatis would make a good TFC coach, eh?

[trane]

^ Still does not diminish what he did last year. It does say alot about the Impact organizations commitment to winning. I will still give him a chance if I had a team in north america. I am not sure how his firing means he is not a good coach. His ability as a coach can ultimatly be judged by his record, last year he did well , hit year clearly not. We will see what he does from now on.

Again I have no idea why you think I have any interest in trying to convince you. You were one of those who thought that Carver was doing just fine with the tallent that he had.

[Shep]

Actually not the full quote.....if you watch the press conf. he says "MAYBE we did enough for the tie, but not enough for a win,"

I literally copy/pasted from the Impact's own website, right here:

http://www.montrealimpact.com/News/News.aspx?language=EN&ArticleID=1117&Focus=0

Second paragraph. I just wanted to see how they saw the match and didn't need any more than that to satisfy my curiosity.

Sorry quote wasn't complete, blame MTL.

[SmokedPanda]

Limniatis will never buy saputo products ever again at the grocery store

[Beach_Red]

Limniatis will never buy saputo products ever again at the grocery store

I felt the same way, but it turns out Saputo bought Vachon cakes and that ended my boycott.....

:scarf:

[SmokedPanda]

I felt the same way, but it turns out Saputo bought Vachon cakes and that ended my boycott.....

:scarf:

those Vachon cakes are bad for your diet plus your contributing to the impacts bankroll........ ne pas bon man!